[00:00] <gamepockets> yeah i extracted directly to it, but i also had to create a .icons folder
[00:00] <vidd> try this.....
[00:00] <tomal036> anyone had dealings with tosh tecra 8000 and neomagic graphics problems
[00:01] <vidd> extract the folder into a "icon" folder on your desktop
[00:02] <gamepockets> just icon, no "."
[00:02] <vidd> yes....
[00:02] <vidd> we want to make sure that the extraction works as expected
[00:02] <gamepockets> ok extracted
[00:03] <vidd> now...what do you have in this icon folder?
[00:03] <gamepockets> a ton of .png files
[00:03] <vidd> there lies the issue
[00:04] <gamepockets> in a folder named the slick and smooth (sorry)
[00:04] <vidd> so the icon folder has one item?
[00:04] <vidd> just a folder with a name WITH spaces?
[00:05] <gamepockets> it has one folder name slick_and_smooth_by_.....
[00:05] <vidd> lets rename this folder to something simple
[00:05] <gamepockets> ok
[00:05] <vidd> like SlickSmooth
[00:06] <gamepockets> renamed just smooth
[00:06] <vidd> ok
[00:06] <vidd> right-click the folder and choose "copy"
[00:07] <gamepockets> k
[00:07] <vidd> then, open the /home/[username]/.icons folder
[00:07] <gamepockets> paste?
[00:07] <vidd> right-click and choose "paste"
[00:07] <gamepockets> paste is greyed out...?
[00:08] <vidd> ok....
[00:08] <vidd> open a second window.....
[00:08] <gamepockets> that did it
[00:08] <vidd> in that window, open the icon folder on your desktop
[00:08] <gamepockets> pasted
[00:08] <vidd> click and drag from ~/Desktop/icons to ~/.icons
[00:09] <vidd> now open the app to set your icons
[00:09] <vidd> if its already open, close and re-open it
[00:09] <tomal036> ok anyone help with blue screen no desktop at all after login
[00:10] <gamepockets> opened appearance>icons>and ...not there
[00:10] <vidd> tomal036, how much ram?
[00:10] <tomal036> 256 maxed out
[00:11] <vidd> gamepockets, try to sudo cp -Rf the folder from Desktop to /usr/share/icons
[00:12] <vidd> then close and re-open the icon app
[00:12] <gamepockets> k
[00:12] <vidd> its important that you close and re-open so that changes show
[00:12] <vidd> tomal036, sorry....dunno
[00:13] <vidd> gamepockets, and if this dont fix you up, then im out of ideas
[00:13] <gamepockets> cp: missing file operand
[00:14] <vidd> gamepockets, the entire line is something like : sudo cp -Rf ~/Desktop/icons/smooth /usr/share/icons
[00:14] <gamepockets> ah... duh
[00:14] <vidd> no worries
[00:15] <tomal036> vidd thanks anyway-you seem to have your hands full
[00:15] <vidd> the format for cp (copy) is cp -[options] /path/to/origin /path/to/destination
[00:17] <vidd> the -R = recursive ... meaning a folder and everything in it
[00:17] <vidd> the -f = force
[00:17] <vidd> so -Rf is Recursive and force
[00:18] <vidd> gamepockets, does that help understand it any?
[00:18] <gamepockets> so wouldn't it be "sudo cp -Rf ~/home/icons/smooth /dave/share/icons
[00:18] <vidd> no....
[00:18] <vidd> the icon folder you extracted to is on your desktop....
[00:19] <gamepockets> right
[00:19] <gamepockets> it gave me some error about not finding the file
[00:19] <vidd> so ~/Desktop/icons/smooth is the entire folder named "smooth" on the Desktop of your home directory
[00:20] <vidd> the /usr/share/icons is literal
[00:20] <vidd>  /usr/= /usr/ not /{user}
[00:21] <gamepockets> that might be the problem
[00:21] <vidd> =]
[00:22] <gamepockets> No such file or directory
[00:23] <vidd> what did you type?
[00:23] <gamepockets> aw dang!
[00:23] <gamepockets> its icon not icon(s) on the desktop
[00:23] <vidd> =]
[00:25] <gamepockets> ok changed to ~$ sudo cp -Rf ~/Desktop/icon/smooth /usr/share/icon
[00:25] <gamepockets> no errors just blank prompt
[00:25] <gamepockets> then restart icon app?
[00:26] <vidd> you need to have that /usr/share/icons
[00:26] <sml1226> Repositories disappeared?
[00:26] <sml1226> what do I do?
[00:27] <vidd> your /usr/share/ folder now has a folder icon and icons
[00:27] <gamepockets> but it's hidden?
[00:27] <vidd> no...its not hidden
[00:28] <gamepockets> oops
[00:30] <gamepockets> it's ok vidd i'm taking up all your time, i'll keep trying and prob. get back on tommorow...
[00:30] <vidd> gamepockets, i have tons of time
[00:30] <gamepockets> oh, ok..
[00:30] <vidd> im @ work for another hour and 1/2
[00:30] <gamepockets> you do this at work?
[00:31] <vidd> ive had 3 calls in the last 2 1/2 hours....only one for my department =]
[00:31] <gamepockets> hah! i used to work for navigon gps call center...
[00:31] <gamepockets> now i fix htc smart phones...
[00:32] <vidd> i do internet tech support
[00:32] <gamepockets> thats what i'm trying to get into, that or pc repair...
[00:32] <vidd> go with pc repair....
[00:33] <vidd> you'll make more money and have fewer head aches
[00:33] <vidd> =]
[00:33] <gamepockets> yeah,  8-)
[00:33] <gamepockets> hang on brb....
[00:33] <sml1226> anybody use PPC? odd question? I have ps3 and wonder if this is ps3 issue/PPC issue/ or 9.04 alpha in general.
[00:34] <vidd> sml1226, you should be using 9.04 release instead of Alpha =\
[00:35] <zoredache> sml1226: have you tried going to the urls your /etc/apt/sources.list mention directly?
[00:35] <sml1226> release disc won't install, black screen after kboot
[00:36] <gamepockets> i have a ps3 and a old ppc...
[00:37] <sml1226> i have not tried to go to them, I can use some functions through terminal but others refuse to work. Also NetworkManager applet says some resources not found throughout awn install
[00:37] <sml1226> zoredache ^
[00:37] <gamepockets> is this the first ps3 install?
[00:39] <sml1226> no I have had 8.10 (major thunar bug), 9.04 (worked but kubuntu install later ruined it), and thats it. Complete format between installs though.
[00:40] <gamepockets> hmm, i've got ubuntu 8.10 and ydl 6.0 succ installed, never tried the other distros...
[00:41] <gamepockets> are you using the "ps3 versions" of the distros?
[00:42] <sml1226> Xubutnu 8.10 refused to work. Thunar closed every time it tried to open and icons would not stay on desktop because of it. I used 9.04 instead. Would use 8.04 but no ps3 version. Love 8.04.
[00:42] <sml1226> Yes I am using PS3 versions
[00:43] <sml1226> thought about using SUSE gnome PPC and getting PS3 addon but I'd need a dvd and a cd when I can use 1 cd for this
[00:43] <gamepockets> hmm.... i'm at a loss, i do remember somthing about the kernals... but it has been a while.
[00:43] <gamepockets> have u tried ps3-hacks.com?
[00:44] <sml1226> No clue. How do you upgrade a distro? I could use 8.10 and upgrade to 9.04 release that way
[00:45] <vidd> sml1226, from command line "sudo  do-release-upgrade "
[00:45] <sml1226> No ps3-hacks, first of all that site is full of viruses. (windows experiences) and second I don't like their setup. psubuntu is a lot better site
[00:46] <sml1226> Thanks I'll try through 8.10 then because this isn't working right. I'll try that through this screwed up 9.04 alpha first though to try it out.
[00:47] <sml1226> No luck, "command not found"
[00:47] <vidd> one sec
[00:47] <sml1226> I'll try 8.10 I'll be back if this fails
[00:49] <vidd> sml1226, "sudo apt-get install update-manager-core
[00:49] <vidd> sml1226, then from command line "sudo  do-release-upgrade "
[00:50] <sml1226> no installation candidate
[00:51] <vidd> sml1226, them im at a total loss
[00:51] <sml1226> 8.10 it is then see ya :(
[00:52] <sml1226> Actually I'll try 9.04 aplha and do that first thing instead of the tweaks I did
[00:52] <sml1226> :S
[00:52] <sml1226> :-$
[01:02] <pegon> Is there a way in compiz that I can make compiz zoom in on a specific window? and just keep it zoomed on that window then when I am done zoom back out?
[01:37] <mrnakey> Does anyone know if the Xubuntu RAM recommendation is physical or logical?
[01:38] <vidd> mrnakey, what do you mean?
[01:39] <vidd> to the best of my knowledge, all ram is physical
[01:39] <vidd> if you are refering to hd space, it doesnt matter
[01:42] <mrnakey> I've got an OOOOOOld box running Win2k with 32MB of RAM (physical) / 256 (virtual) that I want to put Xubuntu on. The recommended RAM for Xubuntu is 128MB to install, but I'd like to know if virtual memory can cover the difference....
[01:43] <vidd> mrnakey, you can try it....but i dont think it will work
[01:44] <mrnakey> sho nuff
[01:44] <mrnakey> thanks
[01:48] <mrnakey> Is there anything else Linux-wise with lower resource needs aside with a GUI?
[01:49] <mrnakey> *wait, typed that all wrong
[01:49] <vidd> mrnakey, yeh...look at damnsmalllinux
[01:49] <vidd> http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/
[01:49] <vidd> mrnakey, i know what ya mean
[01:50] <mrnakey> DSL looks interesting, thanks
[01:51] <ragesoss> I just installed xubuntu 9.04 on my laptop.  It booted for the first time after installation, and now I have a command line.  How do I start the desktop?
[01:59] <mrnakey> startx?
[02:29] <sml1226> how do you upgrade the distro?
[02:29] <sml1226> through terminal^
[02:31] <sml1226> vidd: what were the commands again? I lost it when I reinstalled 8.10
[02:34] <sml1226> nevermind I found out how
[04:35] <mikechelen> is there some way to control the current desktop session through vnc?
[04:36] <pegon> Hi all
[04:36] <likemindead> Ahoy.
[04:37] <pegon> In Xubuntu what is the part that controls the theme like the window manager at the top? I wanna use that when i switch to compiz but everytime I do it disables that
[04:37] <likemindead> I'd use Emerald.
[04:38] <pegon> I am trying to disable as much as I can in compiz just want a few of the effects but not all the slow down I keep getting from it
[04:40] <likemindead> Settings>Window Manager & Settings>Window Manager Tweaks
[04:40] <likemindead> Also, Settings>Appearance
[04:46] <pegon> Window Manager Tweaks doesn't open
[04:48] <likemindead> Strange.
[04:48] <likemindead> It should.
[04:48] <pegon> I have no idea
[04:48] <likemindead> pegon, you can "sudo apt-get install emerald" and then get many themes from xfce-look.org and other sites.
[04:48] <pegon> how do I change the xfce theme?
[04:50] <pegon> actually I have a different question..when I run compiz moving windows etc are smooth and that..when I have compiz off they are jerky...is 3d or something not enabled on xubuntu by default?
[04:51] <likemindead> What video hardware do you have?
[04:52] <pegon> ati radeon 3100
[04:52] <likemindead> I was worried you'd say ATI.
[04:52] <pegon> its onboard.. <---using laptop
[04:53] <likemindead> http://onlyubuntu.blogspot.com/2009/05/howto-enable-ati-unsupported-cards-in.html
[04:53] <likemindead> Best I can do for you. I stay away from ATI. Too much headache.
[04:56] <pegon> did you post that?
[04:56] <likemindead> No. But coincidentally, I just had it pop up on my Google Reader. ;D
[04:56] <likemindead> Via Linux Today, I believe.
[04:57] <pegon> was asking cause that was just posted today lol
[04:57] <likemindead> Yeah. I'm an RSS & news junkie.
[04:57] <pegon> lol
[04:58] <likemindead> If you get your ATI drivers working well, Compiz Fusion should shape up nicely.
[04:58] <likemindead> (I'd still change the window manager to Emerald, but that's just my preference.)
[05:00] <pegon> do you use compiz?
[05:01] <likemindead> I did in 8.04 & 8.10, but since I installed 9.04 I just haven't felt like it.
[05:01] <likemindead> It's fun, but mostly pointless.
[05:01] <likemindead> I've gotten to where I prefer simplicity and speed.
[05:02] <pegon> I like it without it..but...i like a few of the effects like the zoom desktop and like 2 other thats all I want.I don't want the cube and all that lol
[05:03] <likemindead> Sort out your ATI and you should be set.
[05:03] <likemindead> There should be plenty of tutorials out there.
[05:03] <pegon> I can run compiz fusion and all that no problem already...I am just saying when its of stuff seems to skip and leave trails and that
[05:04] <likemindead> Small video driver issues, right.
[05:04] <pegon> Yeah...okay I did that and it didn't change my xorg.conf or anything is it suppose to or did it just fix the bugs?
[05:04] <likemindead> Even my old GeForce has some of that, or did in Intrepid.
[05:05] <likemindead> Dunno. Probably need to restart.
[05:05] <pegon> okay brb restarting
[05:08] <pegon> bk
[08:04] <svensko-netbook> hello, i seem to be having a problem with my acer aspire one and xubuntu 9.04... i attempted connecting an external monitor and restarting... i end up with the external monitor mirroring my netbook, i then went to the settings -> display however only a single screen was listed, however I now have the option to change the resolution to 1440x900 (resolution of the external monitor)... what confuses me even more is the fact that
[08:04] <svensko-netbook>  under  desktop settings, it gives me the option to change to different backgrounds on my netbooks screen and my external monitor... is there something special i need to do to have the external monitor picked up under the display settings? Thanks!
[08:06] <svensko-netbook> just for reference, xrandr DOES pick up the external monitor, if i try to set it up so that the desktop is spread across both monitors, xrandr complains about there not being enough virtual space and suggests changing my xorg.conf (which, from what i can tell, is no longer used)
[08:48] <mikechelen> svensko-netbook, what is the notebook and video card models?
[08:52] <svensko-netbook> mikechelen, it's an acer aspire one and it has the intel GMA 950
[08:54] <mikechelen> svensko-netbook, been hearing alot of issues with intel gfx lately, does it use a proprietary drivers like nvidia or ati?
[08:55] <svensko-netbook> not sure... i've had it work in ubuntu 9.04 AFAIK, it seems to be an issue with the XFCE display program... like i said, xrandr picks it up, and the background settings also detect two monitors
[09:15] <mikechelen> hmm, im not sure how to detect the displays
[09:15] <mikechelen> plugging in the tv out on my nvidia card, it does not seem to be detected
[09:15] <TheSheep> xrandr --auto
[09:17] <svensko-netbook> TheSheep, i mean in the display setting in the settings menu...
[09:17] <svensko-netbook> i only get a "Screen1", what you suggested just mirrors my netbook's screen onto the external
[09:18] <mikechelen> xrandr shows no output
[09:18] <TheSheep> !xinerama
[09:19] <TheSheep> !dualhead
[09:19] <svensko-netbook> the issue with xinerama is that it requires modification to xorg.conf, xorg.conf is not used in ubuntu 9.04
[09:20] <TheSheep> it is used
[09:20] <TheSheep> it's just empty by default
[09:20] <mikechelen> what about for tv out?
[09:20] <svensko-netbook> i tried adding Virtual 2624 900 to it and xrandr still complained
[09:20] <TheSheep> mikechelen: it's like another monitor to X
[09:23] <mikechelen> TheSheep, any way to enable without hand editing xorg.conf?
[09:24] <TheSheep> mikechelen: what graphics card?
[09:25] <TheSheep> mikechelen: if you just want cloning, then xrandr should be enough, otherwise I don't know
[09:25] <mikechelen> nvidia 6600gt
[09:26] <mikechelen> (agp)_
[09:26] <mikechelen> xrandr seems to have no effect
[09:29] <TheSheep> mikechelen: ah, if you have nvidia, tehn just use nvidia-settings
[09:30] <TheSheep> mikechelen: if you run it as root, it can edit xorg.conf for you
[09:32] <premorphos> hey has any one figured out how to get a mic working under alsa
[09:33] <mikechelen> TheSheep, for some reason "detect displays" in nvidia server settings only sees my main monitor
[09:36] <TheSheep> premorphos: sure, worked out of the box for me
[09:38] <premorphos> Thesheep: hmm.. interesting. it doesent for me, herd it was a common bug, but cant find a workaround, using inteprid, any cloue
[09:42] <TheSheep> premorphos: unmute it in aumix
[09:44] <premorphos> thesheep: ha ha cant be that simple,, but what is aumix
[09:46] <premorphos> thesheep: i got an R infront of the mic chanel... what does that mean?
[09:47] <premorphos> thesheep: btw i found the aumix
[09:51] <TheSheep> premorphos: it means 'recording'
[09:55] <premorphos> thesheep: in that case it shuled be working..any ideas?
[10:00] <TheSheep> premorphos: how are you testing it?
[10:04] <premorphos> thesheep: whit the standard recorder and skype... its odd just found out its some how wired to the "line in" not microphone.. odd it workes now but not as mic.
[10:08] <premorphos> thesheep: man thanx for youre help. i wuled not have got it working if it was not for you.. it means alot sinc im in turky and my wife to be is home in sweden, now we can stay in contact. TNX MAN
[10:09] <TheSheep> :)
[15:02] <smtx> hi
[15:02] <smtx> i have a "funny" problem
[15:02] <smtx> after shutting down xubuntu
[15:02] <smtx> and rebooting
[15:02] <smtx> it just starts up several programs i had opened before
[15:03] <smtx> but closed before reboot?
[15:03] <smtx> maybe thats because i uninstalled the gdm to safe some more ram
[15:03] <smtx> but i cannot find out how i can disable those programs from "autostarting" after reboot
[15:04] <charlie-tca> What version of Xubuntu?
[15:04] <smtx> a well its 9.04
[15:04] <smtx> jaunty
[15:04] <smtx> i updatet do it from a xubuntu 8.10
[15:04] <smtx> -do +to
[15:06] <TheSheep> smtx: you saved your session when logging out
[15:06] <charlie-tca> Go to Applications -> Settings -> Session and Startup; under the General tab, uncheck Automatically save session on logout
[15:07] <charlie-tca> Then you need to delete ~/.cache
[15:07] <TheSheep> .cache/sessions is enough
[15:07] <charlie-tca> Then it should not start those things anymore, unless they are in the autostart menu
[15:08] <smtx> TheSheep, charlie-tca  it was allready unchecked... probably its the .cache thing
[15:08] <smtx> ill try that thx :)
[15:08] <mandragora22> Hi everyone
[15:08] <SiDi> hi
[15:08] <smtx> brb *hope so*
[15:09] <smtx> :)
[15:09] <mandragora22> can anyone tell me how to mount win partition?
[15:09] <mandragora22> (i actually can't remember how to see my partitions)
[15:09] <smtx> sudo fdisk -l
[15:09] <smtx> shows you all your disks
[15:09] <TheSheep> !partitions
[15:10] <TheSheep> hmm...
[15:10] <TheSheep> !fstab
[15:10] <mandragora22> u see, i've tried fdisk -l, but without sudo..
[15:10] <DetroitLibertyPe> chlie-tca: I see the ~/...etc frequently in linux documentation, but I'm not really sure what the ~ represents
[15:10] <TheSheep> hmm...
[15:11] <charlie-tca> DetroitLibertyPe: ~/ is /home/USER_NAME
[15:11] <DetroitLibertyPe> chalie-tca, THANKS! Why I never figured that out is beyound me!
[15:11] <charlie-tca> no problem
[15:11] <netcia__> uopaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[15:11] <charlie-tca> just another confusing shortcut
[15:12] <DetroitLibertyPe> of course! why wouldn't it be
[15:12] <TheSheep> and ~foo is /home/foo
[15:15] <mandragora22> hey we are all using xubuntu here right?
[15:17] <charlie-tca> yes, mandragora22
[15:17] <charlie-tca> Or, at least that is the topic here
[15:17] <mandragora22> COOL, couse u see after upgrading to jaunty i stop being able to edit my main menu
[15:18] <mandragora22> now I've got the default menu and changeless
[15:18] <charlie-tca> Because jaunty 9.04 uses Xfce 4.6, which has no menu editor
[15:19] <charlie-tca> Xfce 4.8 will have the menu editor, and it will work
[15:19] <mandragora22> so I won't be able to edit my menu unless I change Xfce?
[15:19] <charlie-tca> Not right. THere are ways to edit the menus now, and they work.
[15:20] <charlie-tca> You can also create desktop entries in '~/.local/share/applications' to override the existing applications (change or hide) or add new ones.
[15:20] <mandragora22> I got installed "alacarte"
[15:20] <charlie-tca> or copy '/etc/xdg/menus/xfce-applications.menu to '~/.config/xdg/menus' and customize it.
[15:20] <charlie-tca> or http://wiki.xfce.org/howto/customize-menu
[15:20] <charlie-tca> alacarte does not work at this time in Xubuntu
[15:20] <mandragora22> so true
[15:21] <mandragora22> but will take long the new version to come out?
[15:22] <mandragora22> couse i'm not pro with linux yet- LOL!
[15:23] <mandragora22> anyway, thanx a lot to everybody, u r very cool
[15:23] <mandragora22> c ya!
[17:19] <magic_ninjai> !upgrade
[17:26] <magic_ninjai> whats the command to stop a service
[17:26] <magic_ninjai> !gdm stop
[17:27] <charlie-tca> kill
[17:27] <magic_ninjai> charlie-tca, not wise to use that on something such as xmd
[17:27] <magic_ninjai> *xdm
[17:28] <SiDi> sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[17:28] <charlie-tca> But that answers the question. You did not give much information, did you?
[17:28] <SiDi> or start|restart|force-reload
[17:28] <charlie-tca> Hello, SiDi
[17:33] <SiDi> heya charlie-tca :)
[18:17] <raevol> are there any thoughts about putting a different menu system into xubuntu? something along the lines of Ubuntu System Panel?
[18:18] <charlie-tca> not really.
[18:18] <charlie-tca> The menu system used is fully compatible with Xfce, which is the desktop environment used.
[18:19] <raevol> true, but the menu in 4.6 is pretty awful
[18:19] <charlie-tca> I did not think so. But we all have opinions
[18:19] <raevol> granted
[18:20] <raevol> i wonder though if xubuntu might spearhead an effort to make the linux UI more user friendly, in a way that gnome and kde have routinely failed to do
[18:20] <raevol> putting in a functional, customizable menu would be huge strides in that direction
[18:21] <charlie-tca> linux encompasses many distributions and desktops.
[18:21] <charlie-tca> as for user friendly, gnome is easier for the new user than Xfce
[18:22] <raevol> for the non-computer literate user, i agree
[18:22] <raevol> but for people who actually like to use their computers, i strongly disagree
[18:23] <raevol> gnome constantly hides things from users, forcing them to deal with crappy UI choices the devs made
[18:23] <raevol> KDE is just a joke
[18:23] <raevol> XFCE is actually functional, the only thing i find lacking in it is the menu and file manager, though i consider thunar a seperate project
[18:24] <raevol> additionally, xfce is lightweight, i know you're already a fan, that's why you're here
[18:24] <raevol> but one of the huge strengths i saw in xfce is how customizable it is
[18:25] <raevol> the menu is no longer customizable, which is a huge blow to how good xfce was
[18:25] <charlie-tca> Of course it is customizable
[18:25] <raevol> as a distribution, xubuntu has the freedom to package in a different menu
[18:25] <raevol> i don't consider editing system text files customizable, i consider that a pain in the ass
[18:25] <charlie-tca> It is much more difficult to package a different menu and make it compatible that to use the one that Xfce supplies
[18:26] <raevol> i think it'd be worth the effort though
[18:26] <raevol> Mint does it already, for example
[18:26] <charlie-tca> okay
[18:28] <raevol> i think it's important to give users as many options as possible in configuring their own systems, but to make configuring those options as easy as possible
[18:29] <charlie-tca> which is why there are many desktop environments, window managers, and distros to pick from
[18:29] <raevol> everyone likes their UI a little different, but i think everyone that hasn't lived in a server terminal for their whole life prefers easy configuration tools
[18:29] <raevol> i agree :) but none are perfect
[18:30] <raevol> i think the perfect system would be lightweight but fully functional and configurable
[18:30] <charlie-tca> I think the perfect system will stagnate and die
[18:31] <charlie-tca> When you hit perfection, you no longer have a goal
[18:47] <raevol> well, i think your goal can always be to be better than you are now
[18:47] <raevol> which is exactly what i am getting at, xubuntu currently has a crap menu that it inherited from xfce (which itself is good) and i think it'd be cool to get another menu into it
[18:48] <charlie-tca> Thanks for the suggestion.
[18:51] <raevol> charlie-tca: are you an xubuntu dev?
[18:51] <charlie-tca> no
[18:52] <raevol> ah cool
[18:52] <charlie-tca> but I discuss things with them daily
[18:52] <raevol> you must feel important
[18:52] <charlie-tca> no
[18:53] <charlie-tca> but I think I can pass suggestions to them
[18:54] <charlie-tca> I am simply Xubuntu Quality Assurance Leader
[18:54] <raevol> i guess in the end if a good menu system gets packaged into ubuntu i can just install it myself, so it doesn't really matter
[18:54] <raevol> you're QA leader and you're not concerned about the menu?
[18:54] <charlie-tca> Xfce 4.8 will have the menu editor, and will allow editing using alacarte
[18:55] <raevol> yes and when is 4.8 coming out?
[18:55] <charlie-tca> I never said I wasn't concerned with it
[18:55] <charlie-tca> 4.8 release dates are not known yet
[18:55] <raevol> so you're just going to sit on your hands until then?
[18:56] <charlie-tca> I just don't believe lack of an editor makes it useless
[18:56] <raevol> it's not useless, but it's less useful than it was previously
[18:56] <charlie-tca> I also don't believe the menu is awful
[18:56] <charlie-tca> The previous editor was about the most useless thing ever created
[18:57] <raevol> really? i liked it
[18:57] <charlie-tca> Not having it is not really a drawback
[18:57] <raevol> it let me do what i wanted to
[18:57] <charlie-tca> It did not really do much
[18:57] <raevol> now i can't do anything at all
[18:57] <Myrtti> what a fruitful conversation
[18:57] <raevol> i don't see how giving you the ability to completely customize your menu is "not really do(ing) much"
[18:57] <charlie-tca> Sure you can, http://wiki.xfce.org/howto/customize-menu
[18:57] <raevol> oh please :)
[18:58] <charlie-tca> It never allowed you to completely customize the menu.
[18:58] <charlie-tca> You still had to edit files to get things to work
[18:58] <raevol> it allowed me to do everything i wanted
[18:58] <charlie-tca> That is one person
[18:58] <SiDi> raevol: dont tell me you could *edit* the menu with the 4.4 editor, that'd be a lie
[18:58] <TheSheep> charlie-tca: you always have to change files to customize things, otherwise how would it be permanent?
[18:58] <raevol> i agree it  wasn't perfect
[18:58] <charlie-tca> It did not allow everyone to do everything
[18:58] <SiDi> it was just a big "import system menu" thing
[18:58] <raevol> but it was more than we have now
[18:59] <SiDi> now, you still can edit your menus manually, and the menu editor will come as soon as its finished coding
[18:59] <raevol> SiDi: no, you're right, but what do we have now?
[18:59] <Myrtti> so, I have cupcakes
[18:59] <SiDi> raevol: you can use alacarte for anything apart showing/hiding menu entries, which you can then do manually
[18:59] <raevol> at the moment? really?
[18:59] <SiDi> the xfce menu editor will come as soon as developers will have had time for writing it.
[18:59] <charlie-tca> Myrtti: can I have one?
[19:00] <SiDi> Myrtti: no thanks, just ate too much :/
[19:00] <raevol> SiDi: alacarte does work now? last i heard it didn't
[19:01] <SiDi> raevol: feel free to try it. Last time i played with it, it was modifying the title/icon of the entries
[19:01] <SiDi> the other edits were written in the desktop files with GNOME specific parameters though, and thats why they diidnt have any impact over xfce
[19:02] <raevol> i'll have to try it
[19:02] <raevol> thanks
[19:03] <raevol> well, i've caused enough ruckus for one day :P thanks guys
[19:29] <DetroitLibertyPe> has anyone used evolution to access the Microsoft Exchange Server?
[20:20] <Chopi> I tried to instal a new Theme to my Xubuntu by extracting a .tar.gz to the "themes" folder,but its saying "permission denied".Has somebody a idea,why he is doing it? (Sorry for the bad english,its not my first language)
[20:21] <DetroitLibertyPe> chopi : because you do not have permission to access that directory
[20:21] <charlie-tca> You need to use sudo, since themes is owned by root
[20:22] <DetroitLibertyPe> so sudo mv /full-file-name-etc /full-directorytreee-to-themes
[20:22] <MoonTiger> hi guys :)
[20:22] <DetroitLibertyPe> hi MoonTiger
[20:22] <charlie-tca> !themes
[20:22] <MoonTiger> has anybody else noticed that the network manager doesn't actually give a signal strength indication anymore?
[20:25] <Chopi> thanks detroit
[20:26] <SiDi> Chopi: you can also create a ".themes" folder (dont forget the .) in your home folder, and put the themes there
[20:26] <SiDi> MoonTiger: it does here
[20:27] <Chopi> SiDi,i can't create a new folder in my home directory,too
[20:28] <MoonTiger> sidi, really?
[20:28] <MoonTiger> mine stays on the full signal strength always
[20:28] <charlie-tca> MoonTiger: maybe you got a real good signal, then
[20:28] <MoonTiger> hmmmmmmmm i wonder if its the icon theme
[20:28] <MoonTiger> hehe i thought that but 62% shouldnt be a full signal indicator
[20:30] <MoonTiger> thnx anyways :)
[20:30] <charlie-tca> it could be the theme. Or the percentages used to display the signal
[20:31] <liar> hey, can anyone help me? i have a problem with x, every app wich tries to draw images crashes: http://paste.ubuntu.com/176458/ i have got an acer aspire one with xubuntu 9.04 installed
[20:31] <liar> wich tries to draw videos*
[20:32] <charlie-tca> How much memory and what video card?
[20:32] <charlie-tca> "insufficient resources for operation" may be an out of memory error
[20:35] <liar> Mem:   1532472k total,  1448504k used,    83968k free, video card is: intel GMA 945
[20:37] <charlie-tca> I am thinking the video card is the issue.
[20:38] <charlie-tca> intel 9x5 has issues in 9.04, if I recall correctly
[20:39] <charlie-tca> There is no fix yet, that I know of, except to downgrade to 8.10
[20:40] <liar> using a different driver would not be a good idea or?(because of the packagemanger?)
[20:42] <charlie-tca> You can try different drivers, but intel support with the xorg being used is not real solid
[20:44] <charlie-tca> !info xorg
[20:45] <charlie-tca> liar: are you using compiz?
[20:47] <liar> it is installed but i am not using it
[20:48] <liar> with xfce
[20:50] <charlie-tca> I wonder if something in it is causing the issues...
[21:31] <sin> What program do I use if I wanna play .mkv files in Xubuntu? VLC and MPlayer just shut down.
[21:33] <jkl> ive been having an issue with abiword since I removed close to 300 orphaned packages with synaptic, ever since abiword hangs on startup. problem persists even after complete reinstallation, any ideas?
[21:46] <charlie-tca> Remove abiword completely, then restart the system. Then reinstall abiword
[21:51] <SiDi> why restart the system ?
[21:55] <charlie-tca> because that makes sure all the pieces that aren't removed get removed, including the config files for abiword
[22:01] <jkl> ok, i'll try that. thanks
[22:02] <TheSheep> charlie-tca: it does not
[22:03] <charlie-tca> okay, Thanks
[22:07] <owen1_> how to change the keyboard layout from dvorak to regular?
[22:07] <owen1_> xorg.conf have this line: # commented out by update-manager, HAL is now used
[22:12] <slow-motion> hi
[22:13] <owen1_> slow-motion: hi
[22:14] <slow-motion> hi owen1_
[22:53] <kora-chan> heya im running jaunty and i have a small config question. i havw installed a kde4 app to learn vocabulary; but the fonts are really huge,.. how can i scale them down? i tried it with the qt4 configuration but it had no effect,... any idea?
[23:11] <liar_> charlie-tca: it was because of the intel driver bug, i was able to install a old driver version through the packagemanger so everything should be fine(everything seems to work again), thanks^^
[23:11] <charlie-tca> Great! You are welcome
[23:51] <slow-motion> n8