[00:00] <lex79> need ack here:
[00:00] <lex79> launchpad bug 379235
[00:03] <ScottK> lex79: looking
[00:03] <Riddell> lex79: done
[00:03] <lex79> great
[00:03]  * ScottK stops looking
[00:03] <Riddell> sleep time
[00:03] <ScottK> nini
[00:03] <lex79> night Riddell
[00:04] <ScottK> lex79: Don't we just want the source removed?  The binary is still needed as the transitional package.
[00:04] <lex79> oh
[00:05]  * ScottK fixors
[00:05] <ScottK> Actually not, Riddell did the removal.  No problem though, it'll come back with qtcreator.
[00:06] <lex79> ScottK: sorry
[00:06] <ScottK> It's not a problem in this case.
[00:08] <lex79> luckily :)
[00:08] <ScottK> lex79: It doesn't look like your transitional package actually got created though
[00:09] <ScottK> Nevermind
[00:09] <ScottK> Actually it was already through New and got probably got removed.
[00:09] <ScottK> Let's get it a couple of hours and check.
[00:10] <lex79> ok
[00:29]  * ryanakca wonders if there'll be IPv6 at the hotel
[01:12] <vorian> ScottK: that is great news
[01:21]  * vorian is upgrading now
[01:51] <vorian> what is the proper command to use force overwrite?
[01:52] <JontheEchidna> dpkg -i --force-overwrite
[01:52] <vorian> hrm
[01:52] <vorian> it's no workie
[01:53] <vorian> so, lets say it's kdebase-runtime-data which has ben apt-gotten, what say ye then JontheEchidna
[01:53] <vorian> ?
[01:59] <Gonium> why kpackagekit use a gtk gui to get permissions ?
[01:59] <Gonium> :s
[02:05] <lubyou> Gonium check if installing policykit-kde changes anything for you
[02:05]  * Gonium looking
[02:08] <JontheEchidna> vorian: sudo dpkg -i --force-overwrite /path/to/deb isn't working?
[02:18] <Gon> lubyou, thanks, noy shows a qt gui :B
[02:18] <Gon> now*
[02:19] <lubyou> :)
[02:24] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: hehe, funny seeing you in an opensuse shirt ;-)
[02:29] <Daskreech> Why does everyone force overwrite?
[02:29] <Daskreech> I normally just remove packages which makes other packages install automatically
[02:51] <ScottK> Last test I did I didn't need to over-write, just apt-get -f install
[03:05] <Viper550> has anyone heard of Arora?
[03:06] <ScottK> Viper550: Yes, we have a package of it.
[03:06] <Viper550> oh good. I'm told he finally added opensearch support to it
[03:09] <Tonio_> Viper550: you should also consider rekonq, which is also based on qtwebkit, but a native kde app :)
[03:10] <Viper550> Arora just looks nicer, and has opensearch support now too
[03:11] <Tonio_> Viper550: yup
[03:11] <Tonio_> I notice we don't have a package for rekonq.... maybe I should consider packaging this one
[03:13] <Daskreech> I Aroa is what  qt app?
[03:13] <Viper550> Daskreech, Arora is this Qt-based WebKit browser
[03:14] <Daskreech> But not KDE
[03:14] <Viper550> http://code.google.com/p/arora/
[03:15] <Daskreech> What's the virtues of rekonq?
[03:15] <Daskreech> or what are the virtues of rekonq ?
[03:17] <Viper550> looks like it links with KDE better
[03:19] <Daskreech> I didn't mean over Arora :) I just meant what would make me choose it as a browser
[04:17] <lex79> Tonio_: are you around?
[04:18] <Tonio_> lex79: quickly :)
[04:18] <lex79> Tonio_: launchpad bug 378185
[04:18] <lex79> launchpad bug 378185
[04:18] <lex79> uhm
[04:18] <lex79> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kmplayer/+bug/378185
[04:19] <lex79> I had subscribed to you
[04:23] <lex79> to avoid your upload but did not work, 	
[04:23] <lex79> you have done the same
[04:24] <ScottK> Anyone else working on fixing over-write problems?
[04:25] <vorian> i don't have a desktop :(
[04:25] <ScottK> Ouch
[04:25] <lex79> ScottK: over-write problems? in kde beta release?
[04:25] <vorian> i have applications, a pannel, but the desktop is gone and the plasma thingy in the top right corner
[04:25] <ScottK> lex79: Yes
[04:26] <ScottK> There's a few left
[04:26] <lex79> I'm not working on that
[04:30] <lex79> Tonio_: I think you have to looking launchpad (or your subscribe bugs, or your email) before upload your packages, 4 times (4 my packages) is too many
[04:31] <lex79> and also, in kmplayer there are some changes to merge from debian, missing in your package
[04:32] <Tonio_> lex79: ouch....
[04:33] <Tonio_> lex79: you're right.... that's the problem of working on ubuntu at 5h30 am...
[04:34] <lex79> okey
[04:35] <ScottK> Tonio_: I was looking at merging kdebindings.  Feel free to steal that one from me.
[04:35] <Tonio_> lex79: the thing is that I really dislike to watch at launchpad for every new little update...
[04:35] <Tonio_> ScottK shouldn't we try to improve this a little bit ?
[04:36] <ScottK> Yes.
[04:36] <Tonio_> ScottK when non members are working on packages, the whole dev cycle ends up in being like a feature freeze
[04:36] <Tonio_> then looking at debian/revu/launchpad/mailing lists just to guess who is working on what, at the moment and then working on the package....
[04:36] <ScottK> That or just discuss what you're working on here.
[04:37] <Tonio_> it's messy, since I for example have very limited time right now...
[04:37] <Tonio_> lex79: first you have to become a motu, that'll help you a lot :)
[04:38] <lex79> maybe I need sponsor like you
[04:38] <Tonio_> lex79: yup
[04:38] <Tonio_> lex79: the thing is that I receive so many emails than I barelly look at launchpad bugs before working a package
[04:39] <Tonio_> lex79: then for debian, well I generally look, but indeed I didn't for kmplayer :)
[04:39] <lex79> you can upload this:
[04:39] <lex79> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lemonpos/+bug/379193
[04:39] <lex79> muahahah :)
[04:39] <Tonio_> lex79: we just seem to naturally work on the same packages, which never happened to me before :)
[04:40] <Tonio_> lex79: and sure I appreciate this, hehe
[04:40] <lex79> ahahah
[04:40] <Tonio_> lex79: so maybe we can try this : email me directly instead of writting new bugs
[04:41] <lex79> okey Frenchman :)
[04:41] <Tonio_> lex79: that especially is unproductive since most people won't look at the bugs during the normal dev cycle, as this is out of the process
[04:41] <Tonio_> lex79: so here is the proposal, when you have a package, either ping here or email me, uploading the source package somewhere I can dget it
[04:41] <lex79> understand, ok
[04:41] <Tonio_> lex79: and I'm sure it'll be a lot better for both of us :)
[04:42] <lex79> sure, thanks
[04:42] <Tonio_> and really I'm happy not to be lonely on what I used to work on for 4 years now, hehe :)
[04:43] <lex79> :)
[04:44] <Tonio_> lex79: the problem in being alone is that I developped a very egotistic and selfish way to work, as you noticed :)
[04:45] <Tonio_> lex79: but despite being this and the fact I'm french, I'm a nice guy :)
[04:45] <Tonio_> hehe
[04:46] <Tonio_> ScottK, lex79: I'm wondering if microblogging would be a nice way to know quickly who is working on what at the moment
[04:46] <Tonio_> twitter or something...
[04:47] <ScottK> Tonio_: I'm not going to twitter.
[04:47] <lex79> Tonio_: maybe is a good way
[04:47] <Tonio_> ScottK -> or something :)
[04:47] <ScottK> I often mention what I'm working on here.
[04:47] <Tonio_> ScottK sure, but when I want to package something, how can I know easilly if there is someone already doing this ?
[04:47] <Tonio_> before it was easy, since we were a small team, and I was pretty alone on what I package...
[04:48] <Tonio_> with the team growing, this has become (for good reasons) pretty complicated...
[04:48] <Tonio_> ScottK have a problem with twitter ? :)
[04:48] <lex79> Tonio_: I think is complicated only for update from kde-apps
[04:49] <lex79> and other little updates
[04:49] <ScottK> Tonio_: Never used it.
[04:49] <Tonio_> lex79: sure, I'm anly talking about the concept behind this
[04:49] <lex79> yes
[04:49] <Tonio_> we have to many packages/info sources
[04:49] <Tonio_> I'm complaining this at work, so I do here :)
[04:50] <Tonio_> well lex79 at the moment, lett's try to work together to avoid duplication, and I'll be very hapy to sponsor you :)
[04:50] <Tonio_> and help you become a motu so that you can be independant from me :)
[04:50] <lex79> ahahah :)
[04:51] <lex79> ok thanks Tonio_
[04:51] <Tonio_> lex79: you're welcome :)
[04:51] <Tonio_> last php updates broken lighttpd on hardy..... thanks to the QA....
[04:51] <Tonio_> sh*t...
[04:52] <Tonio_> (mod_fastcgi.c.1029) the fastcgi-backend /usr/bin/php-cgi -c /etc/php5/cgi/php.ini failed to start:
[04:52] <Tonio_> that's REALLY bad... we have lots of hardy servers in production at work using lighttpd
[04:52] <Tonio_> nice day in perspective :)
[04:53] <lex79> Tonio_: time to sleep in our countries :) night
[04:53] <Tonio_> lex79: night :)
[05:07] <Tonio_> lex79: lemonpos uploaded
[05:14] <ScottK> Wow.  python-qt4 even built on hppa.
[05:20] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: I encourage you to compare -workspace in the PPA and Karmic.  I think there are some changes that both need from the other, but I'm not messing with it beyond the changes i did.
[05:57] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: I'd also have the same thought for -runtime.  There's differences between the two packages (PPA/Karmic) that i think shouldn't be there, but you're closer to it than me.
[05:59] <ScottK> OK.  Fixes uploaded for PPA and Karmic for all the conflicts errors I hit last time i tested.
[06:21] <Lure> Riddell: nice openSuse shirt
[06:21]  * Lure is waitig for suse guy in kubuntu shirt
[06:21] <Lure> and great to see freeflying in canonical team
[06:39] <jussi01> Riddell: when is that gwenview crasher bug fix going to be uploaded? I want my gwenview back! :D
[07:03] <Quintasan> Hello!
[07:06] <nixternal> Lure: that is the same exact openSUSE shirt I have! /me goes and checks his closet to see if Riddell snagged it when I wasn't looking
[07:06] <nixternal> Novell gave out some killer t-shirts yesterday when I was visiting them
[07:06] <nixternal> and a really nice laptop bag, a nice hat, some groovy software...wanted to win their custom netbook, but I didn't :(
[07:18] <Lure> nixternal: are you moving to opensuse? ;-)
[07:18] <nixternal> nope
[07:19] <nixternal> I will say though, Novell has some rockin' stuff...I was at their IT in Action Tour all day yesterday
[07:19] <Lure> nixternal: opensuse is cool, I just hate rpm/zyper & stuff
[07:30] <nixternal> ditto
[09:04] <Mamarok> nixternal: that might be the reason why Riddell wears an OpenSuse shirt in Barcelona then... ;)
[12:35] <Nightrose> final tagging for amarok 2.1 is planned for next friday - is anyone working on a backport for jaunty of beta 2? I would love me some more testing
[13:08] <Riddell> Nightrose: I am a bit but it's quite tricky, the qtscript generator package is hard to backport
[13:08] <Riddell> seems to be compiling now though
[13:08] <Nightrose> thx Riddell :)
[13:09] <Nightrose> i thougt there was a package for the generator already
[13:10] <Riddell> not for jaunty
[13:11] <Riddell> and the one in karmic needs newer debhelper and quilts
[13:13] <Riddell> hmm, I crashed gmail again
[13:22] <sebas> Anyone else with no sound from Flash, but Qt apps are OK?
[13:23] <sebas> I've removed pulseaudio stuff already, that usually fixed the sound problems for me
[13:23] <nixternal> mine usually works
[13:24] <sebas> mine doesn't, on two machines
[13:25] <sebas> And I've no idea where to control the flash sound
[13:25] <sebas> audio under Linux is still an awful mess, and pulseaudio has only made it worse for me
[13:26]  * sebas officially declares sound worse than graphics
[13:26] <sebas> (which is sad)
[13:28] <Mamarok> is there a timeline for getting the kdebase-dev files in KDE 4.3 ?
[13:29] <Mamarok> I would love to be able to compile again on this machine...
[13:30] <Mamarok> actually, the ideal would be to have the kde-devel metapackage again...
[13:31] <Mamarok> sebas: check the alsa-script made by tchen, solved it for me here
[13:31] <Mamarok> you probably have still some .*rc files in your home that prevent also from working correctly
[13:31] <sebas> any reference?
[13:32] <sebas> What kind of *rc files?
[13:32] <Mamarok> .asoundrc for example
[13:32] <sebas> (a lot of apps name their files *rc)
[13:32] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: bzr should be good now for -workspace
[13:32] <Mamarok> not in .kde, but directly in your folder
[13:32]  * sebas doesn't have that
[13:32] <Mamarok> made  by pulse
[13:33] <sebas> Yeah, pulse is not on my system
[13:33] <Mamarok> sebas: you removed it, right?
[13:33] <sebas> yes
[13:33] <sebas> In order to get anything to play, removing pulse* is the best bet I know of
[13:34] <Mamarok> sebas: but it's likely there still are some leftovers made by pulse in your system, go check with find, you would be astonished
[13:34] <sebas> I wouldn't know where and what to look for
[13:34] <sebas> And I never used pulse, first thing to get sound is, as I said, ditch pulse
[13:34] <Mamarok> somebody should burry pulseaudio beneath the Chernobyl reactor sarcophagus, deep, deep inside
[13:34] <sebas> And other sound works, I'm just struggling to find out where fash sends its sound
[13:35] <sebas> skype, kscd and stuff all is fine
[13:35] <Mamarok> sebas: but it was installed and hijacked your sound and modified your settings, welcome to Ubuntu...
[13:35] <sebas> *where* would it do that?
[13:35] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: ...once I push it, that is
[13:35] <ScottK> Heh
[13:36] <sebas> The only asound* I have is in /etc/ld.so.conf
[13:37] <nixternal> heh, I just read an interview with the fedora guy who is working on their audio, and he praised Pulse Audio
[13:37] <nixternal> I thought PA was handed down from the Gods :p
[13:38] <ScottK> Wrong direction.
[13:38] <Mamarok> nixternal: it works, but only on Gnome and with gstreamer
[13:38] <sebas> That's a transscript from an interview with Lennart
[13:38] <Mamarok> forget it with xine
[13:38] <sebas> he wrote pulse and thinks it's the best since sliced bread
[13:38] <Mamarok> sebas: check here for the test script: http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Main_Page
[13:38] <nixternal> it crashes like crazy in gnome, for me...but i have read of people crying because of it :)
[13:39] <nixternal> I guess it works well on broken platforms :p
[13:39] <sebas> While he's a cavalier guy hating KDE and ignoring all the problems pulse brings
[13:39] <Mamarok> why would one need pulse when alsa can handle nearly everything?
[13:40] <Mamarok> sebas: Lennart, you mean the jdub buddy? ...
[13:40] <sebas> Mamarok: does that have anything to do with flash?
[13:40] <sebas> My sound works in general ...
[13:40] <sebas> I'm not looking for general sound stuff, that's fine already
[13:40] <Mamarok> sebas: shouldn, flash works fine here now, once dtchen helped me debug the sound and get rid of the modifications made by pulse
[13:40] <sebas> I need to know what flash does with its sound, and how I get it to use "normal alsa"
[13:41] <Mamarok> but before that it hijaked the sound systematically
[13:41] <sebas> Do you have anything more precise than "the alsa wiki"?
[13:41] <Mamarok> and the second video you try to play only gives you hacked noise
[13:42]  * sebas has *no sound* *at all* from  flash, on two machines
[13:42] <Mamarok> sebas: there's a link for a test script, moment...
[13:42] <Mamarok> sebas: http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh
[13:44]  * Quintasan wonders who else he should poke about "fixing" rsibreak
[13:45]  * Mamarok has to go, bbl
[13:46] <ScottK> Quintasan: What's broken with it?
[13:46] <sebas> So that script doesn't find any pulse stuff at all
[13:46] <sebas> Now, does anybody know what flashs does with its sound?
[13:46] <Quintasan> ScottK: nothing, just changed the build-deps, I was supposed to send rgreening a debdiff but he is not here
[13:46] <ScottK> I see.
[13:47] <ScottK> He should be around later.
[13:48] <Quintasan> I guess I will work on mailody
[13:54] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: It looks like somehow you reverted that last two -workspace uploads from bzr.  Would you please double check your changes.
[13:59] <jussi01> Riddell: ping
[14:00] <ScottK> sebas: Since dtchen is in the channel, the best bet is just wait for him to react.
[14:00] <sebas> aight
[14:24] <ScottK> Who has tried the KDE4 version of webdev?  Is it reasonable except lacking Quanta?
[14:30] <jussi01> ScottK: are you with Riddell in spain yet?
[14:31] <ScottK> jussi01: No.  Only Canonical people are there this week.  I fly tomorrow.
[14:31] <jussi01> ahh
[14:31] <jussi01> ok.
[14:31] <Quintasan> rgreening: ping
[14:31] <jussi01> ScottK: are you aware of the fix to the gwenview crasherbug Riddell mentions in his blog?
[14:32] <ScottK> jussi01: I'm not, but it could probably be fished out of the KDE svn if someone were motivated enough.
[14:33] <Quintasan> rgreening: http://pastebin.com/f51cadf8c <-- rsibreak debdiff
[14:33] <jussi01> ScottK: hrm, What does that take? Im a bit weak with this so not much I can do, just have to hope JontheEchidna is motivated to do it.
[14:33] <Quintasan> rgreening: http://pastebin.com/f2178516c <-- mailody-kde4 debdiff
[14:34] <jussi01> or someone else around here...
[14:35] <ScottK> Quintasan: For rsibreak we also need to drop the build-dep on libplasma-dev.
[14:36] <Quintasan> scomar: I did that too :)
[14:36] <Quintasan> ScottK: ^
[14:36] <ScottK> OK.  Good.
[14:36]  * Quintasan is going to do more but watching comes first today
[14:38] <nixternal> ScottK: webdev in trunk has quanta
[14:38] <nixternal> been messing with it
[14:38] <ScottK> How is it?
[14:39] <nixternal> thus far it works...I know they are planning on doing more once they have rocked out kdevplatform
[14:41] <rgreening> Quintasan: ty. I'll work on them shortly.
[14:42] <Quintasan> rgreening: np :)
[14:45] <ScottK> OK.  New transition wiki page:  https://wiki.kubuntu.org/ScottKitterman/Libplasma-Dev
[14:45] <ScottK> Quintasan: Feel free to take credit for rsibreak.
[14:51] <nixternal> how come you goofballs can't do [14:52] <ScottK> nixternal: Because you need something to do.
[14:52] <davmor2> nixternal: I can :P
[14:54] <ScottK> Anyone feel free to fixor.  wiki is not my strong suit.
[15:10] <knro> Hi, is Johnathon here?
[15:13] <knro> Ok, at any rate, there is a bug with the way KStars is packaged, rendering telescope support useless. I asked Johnathon that I'd like to maintain KStars, in addition to INDI and associated packages since I happen to be the upstream developer and will also insure that they work fine. I just joined the MOTU and I'm familiar with packaging for Ubuntu/Debian. What's the next step? Should I download KStars source package maintained by John and "update" it?
[15:14] <tsimpson> the best thing would probably be to file a bug against the package, if it doesn't exist, and assign to yourself. then put up a debdiff
[15:16] <nixternal> it does exist, that I know
[15:16] <knro> tsimpson: Ok, will do that. Is there way to be the active maintainer for the package?
[15:16] <nixternal> knro: it is just change indi build dep to libindi right?
[15:17] <knro> nixternal: yes, and INDI v0.5 should no longer be built at all.
[15:17] <tsimpson> the maintainer will be "Kubuntu Developers <kubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com>"
[15:17] <tsimpson> rather than an individual person
[15:17] <nixternal> knro: right, we discussed that just recently as well, I know I brought it up just a few weeks ago
[15:17] <knro> Ok, great.
[15:18] <knro> nixternal: has this issue been fixed?
[15:18] <nixternal> I do not believe so, but don't quote me on that...I know it is still broken in Jaunty
[15:19] <knro> That I can confirm from the list of complaints I received, and just tried it today myself.
[15:19] <tsimpson> !info indi jaunty
[15:19] <tsimpson> !info indi karmic
[15:19] <knro> see, INDI is obsolete.
[15:19] <knro> it was replaced by libindi
[15:20] <knro> the problem is that KStars was not built against libindi, that's all.
[15:20] <knro> both indi and libindi are in the repository, two conflicting packages. INDI v0.5 must be removed.
[15:20] <tsimpson> there is 0.6-0ubuntu1 in both jaunty and karmic
[15:20] <tsimpson> libindi0
[15:21] <knro> yes, that's the right one.
[15:22] <tsimpson> perhaps libindi0 should conflict/replace indi too
[15:23] <knro> yes, it should replace it.
[15:23] <knro> the question is, how do I ask for that? file a bug report??
[15:24] <tsimpson> yeah, file a bug and fix it :)
[15:24] <knro> hehe ok, will do that then.
[15:27] <knro> ah well, been fixed already :)
[15:27] <Quintasan> hmmm kadu has no build-depend on libphonon-dev, or I'm blind
[15:29] <ScottK> The problem (with Indi) in Jaunty is that the correct one is in Universe, so we can't build kdeedu against it.
[15:31] <nixternal> oh right, and we (Riddell) did fix that in Karmic by running the magic script to push it into Main
[15:32] <tsimpson> Quintasan: looks like it doesn't use phonon
[15:33] <Quintasan> tsimpson: thanks, I thought it's just me :P
[15:35] <ScottK> rgreening: Trying to fix the current bindings to build didn't work either.  it needs a guru (i.e. not me)
[15:37] <knro> ScottK: Universe is the primary repository for the stable Jaunty?
[15:40] <ScottK> knro: No.  Each release is divided up into Main/Universe (and some others for non-free stuff).
[15:40] <ScottK> Main is the stuff that has official support (e.g. security fixes) from Canonical.
[15:40] <knro> ScottK: Have to read a bit about that, been using SUSE since 99.
[15:40] <ScottK> Stuff in Main can't build depend on stuff in Universe.
[15:41] <knro> So KStars in Main, but libindi in Universe?
[15:42] <tsimpson> in jaunty, yes
[15:43] <vishalrao> do i dare do an aptitude safe-upgrade on my kubuntu karmic VM ? :)
[15:45] <ScottK> vishalrao: It's got safe in the name, so what could go wrong?
[15:45] <ScottK> ;-)
[15:45] <vishalrao> :-D
[15:46] <Riddell> Nightrose: http://people.ubuntu.com/~jriddell/tmp/amarok/  uterly untested
[15:47] <nixternal> ScottK: how current of bindings?
[15:47] <ScottK> nixternal: Bindings didn't release with the beta.  Neither our current (4.2.2 - didn't try 4.2.3) nor svn trunk will build.
[15:47] <nixternal> bindings have been broke for over a week now and it is still being worked on
[15:48] <ScottK> Right, so it'd be decent to at least have what's in the repo now ~working
[15:48] <nixternal> hrmm, I had bindings building just find from trunk for the past few months
[15:48] <nixternal> just recently they went to hell due to changes with the kssl cert manager
[15:48] <ScottK> nixternal: Perhaps you can step back to a snapshot that works and we can have goodness again.
[15:49] <nixternal> as long as you have the proper deps, the default cmake file should do the trick...it is when we start getting a goofy ass rules file that all hell breaks loose
[15:49] <rgreening> that would be awesome.
[15:50] <rgreening> akonadi changes in trunk still break bindings
[15:50] <rgreening> not compatible with akonadi 1.1.85
[15:51] <nixternal> the akonadi stuff built fine in trunk just now, kssl and soprano are broken
[15:51] <nixternal> they are adding a bunch of new fixes, which being a freeze I didn't think would happen...they are treating bindings like they are in in non-freeze trunk mode constantly
[15:52] <ScottK> Looks like we have a portability issue in -runtime.  Perhaps someone with some C++ foo could have a look at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-runtime/4:4.2.85-0ubuntu5/+build/1039488/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-karmic-armel.kdebase-runtime_4:4.2.85-0ubuntu5_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[15:52] <nixternal> I think bindings needs to be moved out of KDE/ and put in playground
[15:52] <rgreening> akonadi in karmic == 1.1.85 <> whats being used by trunk. they made api breaking changes
[15:53] <rgreening> I had to patch kdepim due to akonadi breakage
[15:53] <ScottK> pimlibs and libs-experimental now built on ALL archs.
[15:54] <nixternal> that arm crap
[15:55] <ScottK> nixternal: no that "people making unwarranted assumptions about how portable code should be written" crap.
[15:55] <nixternal> ifdef's ftw!!! :p
[15:59] <ScottK> nixternal: Go for it, since you, like, code and stuff.
[15:59] <nixternal> nope, thanks though for offering :)
[16:00] <vishalrao> maybe remove the "const" in line 309 of -runtime/drkonqi/backtraceparser.cpp ?
[16:00] <vishalrao> *** line 308
[16:02] <lubyou> any idea why date/time settings in system settings never seems to remember that it is supposed to sync the time from ntp servers?
[16:03] <vishalrao> lubyou: i wonder if it has anything to do with recent comments that system settings doesnt ask for sudo password, so you need to run it via kdesudo?
[16:04] <lubyou> well when i click it, it shows the kdesudo dialog, syncs the time. then i exit the panel, go back and the checkbox for syncing is unchecked again
[16:04] <lubyou> but yeh, maybe its because it doesnt have permanent root permissions
[16:09] <Nightrose> Riddell: \o/   I'll download them in a sec and test
[16:15] <seele> Artemis_Fowl: *waves*
[16:15]  * Artemis_Fowl waves back to seele :)
[16:16] <Artemis_Fowl> it's been a long time :)
[16:18] <seele> are you on holiday from school now?
[16:19] <Artemis_Fowl> kind of
[16:19] <Artemis_Fowl> we have exams
[16:19] <Quintasan> rgreening: http://pastebin.com/f5b60715f <-- kgrab debdiff
[16:19] <Quintasan> hi Artemis_Fowl
[16:20] <Artemis_Fowl> Quintasan: heya
[16:21] <Nightrose> Riddell: crashes on startup like JontheEchidna's package before :( backtrace is of no use as i can't install the dbg package http://pastebin.com/m4abc1931 http://pastebin.com/m77ce8555
[16:21] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: I'm back to developing for a while. won't be more than a couple of months though
[16:22]  * ScottK larts rgreening for bad build-deps in kdegraphics.
[16:22] <Quintasan> apachelogger, JontheEchidna: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/plasma-widget-pgame
[16:22] <seele> Artemis_Fowl: cool.. i think there are some bugs open for KGRUBConfig ;)
[16:22] <Artemis_Fowl> I had no time to prepare kgrubeditor for jaunty :( but for karmic I think it will be fine
[16:23] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: I am almost finished with the main concern for kgrub: automagic
[16:23] <seele> with grub2 is automagic still an issue?
[16:23] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: maybe you'll have to review a couple of things in the next days
[16:24] <seele> Artemis_Fowl: sure, just send me screenshots or link to a jaunty package
[16:24] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: in theory no. but I haven't ever tried grub2
[16:40] <knro> I can't use debuild -S -sa since the debian/control maintainer for the package is MOTU and gpg can't find the key obviously. What do I need to do?
[16:41] <ScottK> knro: The key gets picked up from the most recent debian/changelog entry, not the maintainer.
[16:43] <knro> ScottK: you're right, still can't key though.. lemme try to find out what's wrong.
[16:43] <ScottK> knro: Both the email address and the name have to match exactly.
[16:43] <ScottK> knro: There is an option (-k) to work around this, but better to figure it out.
[16:46] <knro> ScottK: ok, the problem is that I had a comment filed in my key. Is there a way to  remove that?? or it's too late?
[16:47] <ScottK> I'm not sure.  If that's the actual problem, then I'd just use -k<emailaddress>
[16:48] <knro> Ok, it's can't be undone. Guess I'll stick with it, not a big deal.
[16:49] <JontheEchidna> you can make a new sub-identity for the key that can go in debian/changelog
[16:50] <JontheEchidna> That should be fairly easy to do from an application like kgpg
[16:54] <knro> I just used -k and that works out fine.
[16:54] <knro> Though I had multiple keys uploaded to public servers from a couple of years ago... need to figure out how to delete those.
[16:55] <knro> err can't
[16:57] <smarter> you can if you still have the pass from the key and the key itself and generate a revocation certificate
[17:01] <knro> the private keys lost for the old ones.
[17:12] <tvakah> whence plasma... latest karmic upgrade seems to have lost it
[17:18] <nixternal> is the air theme in 4.3 beta 1?
[17:20] <smarter> nixternal: nop
[17:20] <nixternal> are they waiting for the final release and not putting it in any of the betas I take it
[21:11] <neversfelde> someone around, who would like to sponsor bug 379514 ?
[21:13] <nixternal> I can do that for you neversfelde
[21:13] <neversfelde> nixternal: thank you
[21:14] <neversfelde> choqok seems to be more feature complete now, I think I should write a backport request
[21:21] <Tm_T> neversfelde: in svn?
[21:21] <nixternal> yes, backport it, or provide me a jaunty package :)
[21:21] <neversfelde> nixternal: I pushed one to my ppa
[21:21] <neversfelde> Tm_T: 0.6 was released a few hours ago
[21:22] <nixternal> groovy
[21:23] <nixternal> just not built yet I guess
[21:24] <Tm_T> neversfelde: it's containing 2006.10 < CIA-63> momeny * r971543 choqok/trunk/extragear/network/choqok/src/statuswidget.cpp: Fix on Url regexp ?
[21:24] <Tm_T> (that's three hours ago btw)
[21:27] <Tm_T> neversfelde: hmm, apparently not, don't know if it matters though
[21:28] <Tm_T> apparently yes, then it's good thing
[21:28] <neversfelde> hehe
[21:28] <nixternal> neversfelde: shouldn't choqok have a watch file?
[21:29] <neversfelde> nixternal: oh yes, but I am not shure how to create one cause the path is ../0.*/choqok.-<version>
[21:29] <nixternal> k, I can do that
[21:30] <neversfelde> k, I'll have a look at it
[21:32] <neversfelde> watch files are a mistery for me :)
[21:32] <neversfelde> s/mistery/mystery
[21:37] <nixternal> ya, no watch file for choqok, they (ospdev) has that sillyness like kde-apps does
[21:39] <nixternal> neversfelde: uploaded :)
[21:39] <neversfelde> nixternal: thank you
[21:39] <nixternal> np
[23:35] <neversfelde> choqok backport request: bug 379566
[23:35] <neversfelde> I do not know if it is ok, so if a backporter is around :)
[23:50] <BUGabundo> any one here working tonight?
[23:50] <BUGabundo> trying to get svn version for karmic trunk of kdepim https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+source/kdepim/4:4.2.85-0ubuntu6
[23:50] <BUGabundo> to allow upstream to help me debug a bug on kmail (doesn't reply to mailinglists)
[23:52] <JontheEchidna> you want to know what version karmic has?
[23:54] <nixternal> JontheEchidna: taking care of that in #kontact
[23:54] <nixternal> hey, is there a reason why kdepim/kmail doesn't dept on oxygen-icons?
[23:54] <nixternal> i don't know if they do or not for sure without dl'n the source and I am to lazy, figured you might know ;p
[23:54] <JontheEchidna> nothing does at the moment
[23:55] <nixternal> oh, groovy
[23:55] <nixternal> BUGabundo: ^^
[23:55] <JontheEchidna> except the kubuntu-desktop seed
[23:55] <BUGabundo> I read it
[23:55] <nixternal> tis what you get for running our broken packages in jaunty anyways
[23:55] <nixternal> muhahaha
[23:55] <BUGabundo> karmic
[23:55] <nixternal> err, ya karmic I meant
[23:55] <nixternal> sorry
[23:55] <nixternal> in jaunty it is love :D
[23:55] <nixternal> in trunk it is even more love
[23:55] <nixternal> with 2 extra hugs thrown in
[23:56] <BUGabundo> any of you guys has _any_ idea on how to debug why my kmail won't let me reply to mailinglist?
[23:56] <BUGabundo> single emails works
[23:56] <BUGabundo> I rebuild indexs
[23:56] <BUGabundo> I changed accounts
[23:57] <BUGabundo> I change folder settings and ml management
[23:57] <BUGabundo> nothing I do, shows the Reply option
[23:58] <BUGabundo> come one guys... throw me bone here!