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| ubuntugeek | Hello everyone, welcome to the FC meeting. | 23:00 |
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| Brucevdk | Hi | 23:01 |
| * jacob waves | 23:01 | |
| Rocket2DMn | good evening | 23:01 |
| MichaelGodawski | hi | 23:01 |
| Technoviking | hello | 23:01 |
| forumsmatthew | hi | 23:01 |
| frodon | hi | 23:01 |
| ubuntugeek | Alright, lets get started | 23:02 |
| ubuntugeek | Is linuxisevolution here? | 23:02 |
| ubuntugeek | Agenda https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ForumCouncilAgenda | 23:02 |
| ubuntugeek | OK we an come back to that item, | 23:03 |
| forumsmatthew | FYI, I retract my item as it was birthed out of someone else's desire who is not here. We've had it up for a couple of meetings. If he wants it back, we can re-add it another time. | 23:03 |
| ubuntugeek | Brucevdk, lets discuss your topics since you are here. | 23:03 |
| Brucevdk | ubuntugeek: alright | 23:04 |
| ubuntugeek | matthew +1 | 23:04 |
| ubuntugeek | Changing the default subscription mode when starting a new thread (e.g. posting a question) in the Main Support forums (at the very least the General Help forum) to "Instant email notification" by default. | 23:04 |
| ubuntugeek | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ForumCouncilAgenda/DefaultSubscriptionMode | 23:04 |
| ubuntugeek | I can see where this would be handy, but I can also see that 90% of the people posting there wouldn't want this option by default. | 23:06 |
| forumsmatthew | I like how the proposal is written out so clearly. Thanks for that | 23:06 |
| Brucevdk | Well, you'll have to realize that I already made the distinction between posting to threads and starting new threads. The notification is only set to email when starting a new thread. | 23:06 |
| forumsmatthew | I'm not sure we want to gain the reputation as "the forum that spams" | 23:06 |
| forumsmatthew | I do set my account this way, but I'm not sure it would be the desired default for the majority of users | 23:07 |
| forumsmatthew | has there been any attempt to measure interest? | 23:07 |
| Brucevdk | It's not really all that spammy, because the notification is basically sent once.... not per reply to a thread (untill you visit the thread | 23:07 |
| ubuntugeek | Bruce, this isn't actually a configurable option on a "per" forum basis at this time. It is however a "per" user option that affects users globally. | 23:07 |
| jacob | idea: maybe add a link to the appropriate option in the welcome email for those that would want it? | 23:08 |
| Brucevdk | forumsmatthew: I haven't polled interest | 23:08 |
| Brucevdk | ubuntugeek: I know, that's why I described actually modifying VBulletin to supportp er forum functionality | 23:08 |
| Technoviking | I agree with matthew, I would prefer maybe a forum howto telling people how to switch the option on their account themselves | 23:08 |
| forumsmatthew | I know that, and you know that, but a new UF user might come in, ask a question, then get angry at email in his inbox...I only say that because I have seen people get frustrated over far less | 23:08 |
| forumsmatthew | Technoviking, that's not a bad idea | 23:08 |
| ubuntugeek | Technoviking: A post or a FAQ you mean? | 23:09 |
| Brucevdk | The problem is, the audience I'm targetting will never voluntarily set a _global_ option for email notification | 23:09 |
| Technoviking | ubuntugeek: either | 23:09 |
| Brucevdk | so global option is out of the question, even in a forum howto | 23:09 |
| Technoviking | whatever would get the most eyes | 23:09 |
| ubuntugeek | Technoviking: Seems fair enough, perhaps a post in the general area with details how to do it. | 23:09 |
| Brucevdk | The only other reasonable option if you do not want to implement this idea for the reasons mentioned is to have a sticky thread telling users to turn on the option when starting a thread | 23:09 |
| Brucevdk | ubuntugeek: ^^ | 23:10 |
| Brucevdk | Which will most likely still be ignored by the target audience | 23:10 |
| ubuntugeek | Perhaps, but remember 90% of the audience isn't going to want to get spammed either. | 23:11 |
| Brucevdk | ubuntugeek: perhaps add some nice, clear text around the notification dropdown? | 23:11 |
| ubuntugeek | -1 the idea, but I will +1 a post on how to enable it. | 23:11 |
| Brucevdk | something like: "Please set this to instant email notification to keep track of any responses" | 23:11 |
| Technoviking | -1 the idea, but I will +1 a post on how to enable it also | 23:12 |
| forumsmatthew | I'm going to have to -1 the overall idea of changing the default, but I'll +1 a post with instructions for how to enable and a little explanation of why that would be useful. | 23:12 |
| Brucevdk | What about the idea I just brought up though? Instead of a post an actual hint around the notification dropdown? | 23:12 |
| ubuntugeek | Thats fair enough and simple to add. | 23:13 |
| ubuntugeek | But my guess is more people will read a sticky, they are used to that | 23:13 |
| forumsmatthew | I'm inclined to agree | 23:14 |
| Brucevdk | alright, I'd be willing to abonden my idea in favor of a sticky _and_ the little text around the dropdown :-) | 23:14 |
| Technoviking | fine with me | 23:14 |
| ubuntugeek | Ok, next item | 23:14 |
| ubuntugeek | Allow people to change their vote on polls, an example of where this is needed would be this thread. | 23:14 |
| ubuntugeek | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1139619 | 23:15 |
| ubuntugeek | (example) | 23:15 |
| Brucevdk | (now... that poll doesn't have any votes yet, but it's still a good example of where I think it would be useful) | 23:15 |
| Brucevdk | I'm not aware if VBulletin already has this functionality | 23:15 |
| ubuntugeek | I hate to say this, but it's not possible with vbulletin (that i am aware of). Once a vote is cast, it is cast. | 23:16 |
| Brucevdk | ubuntugeek: well, if people like the idea, I'd be willing to put implementing support for it on my todo list | 23:16 |
| ubuntugeek | I can't remember a single time in the last 4+ years someone asked me to change their vote.. | 23:16 |
| Technoviking | me either | 23:16 |
| forumsmatthew | I've seen maybe two | 23:16 |
| Brucevdk | ubuntugeek: doens't mean it's not useful though :-) Maybe they don't realize the potential | 23:16 |
| forumsmatthew | but they noted it in the thread, so... | 23:17 |
| ubuntugeek | Matthew: right thats the idea :) | 23:17 |
| Brucevdk | The example example has to do with "if a device works for you", once your problem is solved, the device does work for you and the poll would not make sense anymore | 23:17 |
| Technoviking | I like the idea, but I would like the option to do that be part vBB and not an add-on that would put a strain on the DB | 23:17 |
| Technoviking | ubuntugeek: any changes to polls in vB 4, that you heard of? | 23:18 |
| forumsmatthew | I don't know, it's not a terrible idea, but it's kind of a complex solution to a simple problem: just post a note about it in the thread | 23:18 |
| ubuntugeek | Since its not something we can do currently with vbulletin and we are not adding any 3rd party code to the forums I am -1 this idea unless it gets official built into vb4 | 23:19 |
| Brucevdk | :'( | 23:19 |
| forumsmatthew | agreed | 23:19 |
| forumsmatthew | -1 | 23:20 |
| Technoviking | -1 for now, maybe a re-look in vb4 | 23:20 |
| ubuntugeek | Next up is DougieRichardson here? | 23:21 |
| forumsmatthew | it doesn't seem so... | 23:22 |
| ubuntugeek | Ok we'll keep it on the agenda. | 23:23 |
| ubuntugeek | In general I like the idea Dougie is suggesting. | 23:24 |
| forumsmatthew | I think it has great potential. Hopefully he can make the next meeting | 23:24 |
| ubuntugeek | agreed | 23:24 |
| ubuntugeek | I don't think Jacob was going to make it unless he snuck in.. Jacob? | 23:24 |
| jacob | ubuntugeek: right here | 23:25 |
| ubuntugeek | w00t | 23:25 |
| jacob | we're not leaving for another 45 or so | 23:25 |
| ubuntugeek | The floor is yours.. | 23:25 |
| jacob | anyway, this isn't a concrete discussion item, but I'd like to see what the FC thinks regarding a few ideas brought up in the staff thread | 23:26 |
| ubuntugeek | Ok | 23:26 |
| jacob | which is.. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1131429&page=2 | 23:26 |
| jacob | the main point I think I see from it is having some forum/area or another way to discuss submitted tutorials | 23:27 |
| ubuntugeek | Gotcha, would this be open or a private forum for the mod's? | 23:27 |
| jacob | bapoumba brought this up here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=7220505&postcount=21 | 23:27 |
| jacob | ubuntugeek: that's something worth discussing I should think: we have a few people on staff ready to help out, though should it be open for other members? | 23:28 |
| ubuntugeek | other members on a T&T team or just general members? | 23:29 |
| ubuntugeek | Just thinking of permission issues/structure | 23:29 |
| jacob | on a T&T team; I don't think everyone should be able to view submitted tutorials/comments right away | 23:29 |
| forumsmatthew | I would give all staff and any T&T team members access and restrict all others | 23:29 |
| jacob | if a T&T team were to be made, they should have access to the mod queue and this forum | 23:30 |
| ubuntugeek | Thats something we can do | 23:30 |
| ubuntugeek | So this forum would be for discussion on how to handle new T&T's correct? | 23:30 |
| jacob | ubuntugeek: yep, correct. | 23:30 |
| frodon | it would be even better if a thread could be automatically created in this sub-forum for each item in the queue | 23:31 |
| jacob | as for the team itself, members could be found from BT, UA, and others (as bodhi mentioned I think) | 23:31 |
| ubuntugeek | I dont have a problem setting up a team and then making a forum for it. I think it would probably be created in the http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=348 forum | 23:32 |
| jacob | frodon: that would be pretty cool, don't know if entirely possible? we as staff could use the copy thread function for that to do it manually | 23:32 |
| jacob | ubuntugeek: that would work | 23:32 |
| ubuntugeek | Jacob: I think it would have to be done manually. I would have to double check | 23:33 |
| jacob | ubuntugeek: does vb have signals/actions? it's been ages since I've touched an installation - if it does, an action to copy a thread could be attached to a create thread signal thing (if I could be any more abstract :P) | 23:33 |
| frodon | ok, if it's possible it has an interest i think, otherwise doing it manually will do the job | 23:34 |
| ubuntugeek | I'd have to check, I cant remember and it doesn't ring a bell. I will let you know | 23:34 |
| ubuntugeek | Ok so lets vote to setup a T&T team and create a forum for them. +1 | 23:34 |
| Technoviking | +1 | 23:34 |
| forumsmatthew | +1 | 23:34 |
| ubuntugeek | Settles that :) | 23:35 |
| jacob | easy enough :D | 23:35 |
| frodon | great :) | 23:35 |
| forumsmatthew | Is ryan here to discuss the final item? | 23:36 |
| ubuntugeek | jacob: will you be the team leader? | 23:36 |
| forumsmatthew | ;) | 23:36 |
| jacob | ubuntugeek: sure | 23:36 |
| ubuntugeek | ok | 23:36 |
| ubuntugeek | just need to know when I setup the usergroup for the team who will be the leader | 23:36 |
| ubuntugeek | Ok, last item.. Talk about Launchpad/forum login integration that we will be testing soon. | 23:36 |
| ubuntugeek | Canonical developers wrote a plugin that will allow forum users to bind their forum account to a launchpad account. It also add a link to your profile page showing your LP account if it is bound. We'll be setting up a test vbulletin instance to run through some scenario's. | 23:38 |
| ubuntugeek | When I say | 23:38 |
| ubuntugeek | bind to their account, it will allow the forums to use the luanchpad login/password/openid system instead of the forums. | 23:39 |
| ubuntugeek | launchpad* | 23:39 |
| Rocket2DMn | o/ | 23:39 |
| jacob | awesome | 23:39 |
| Rocket2DMn | What happens with users who already have both? | 23:39 |
| ubuntugeek | They can still bind them | 23:40 |
| ubuntugeek | It just won't change your username on the forums | 23:40 |
| forumsmatthew | cool | 23:40 |
| Rocket2DMn | Interesting, I like it | 23:40 |
| Rocket2DMn | +1 for closer integration with other parts of the community | 23:40 |
| Technoviking | will karma be given to forum users for posts? | 23:40 |
| jacob | ubuntugeek: will users be able to sign in with LP without having a forum account and be able to instantly create one without going through the whole registration process? | 23:41 |
| ubuntugeek | If the user has a LP account and they use it to login on the forums it will create a forum account (i think) if memory serves me correct | 23:41 |
| ubuntugeek | if the user doesn't have a forum account | 23:41 |
| Joeb454 | i think that would be something that needs to be tested | 23:42 |
| Rocket2DMn | Would it just default to their LP login? | 23:42 |
| jacob | ubuntugeek: what happens if someone registers a LP account as "jacobmp92" (how dare they :P) and tries to sign in? | 23:42 |
| ubuntugeek | If the user has a forum account and its bound to LP it won't modify their forum account at all. Except put a link in their profile. | 23:42 |
| jacob | (fyi: i'm jpeddicord on launchpad, not jacobmp92, which is why I ask) | 23:43 |
| ubuntugeek | If the user doesn't have a forum account but has a LP account it will create a forum account (i think) | 23:43 |
| ubuntugeek | jacob, it wont let them that feature is going to be turned off. | 23:43 |
| ubuntugeek | So when I get a demo site up we'll have to have a constructive testing phase. | 23:44 |
| ubuntugeek | before putting it live :) | 23:44 |
| Joeb454 | that may involve resident troll getting an LP account | 23:44 |
| jacob | yay | 23:44 |
| Joeb454 | i would assume anyway | 23:44 |
| forumsmatthew | Joeb454, I'll tell him when he gets back from vacation | 23:44 |
| ubuntugeek | So I just wanted to let everyone know that is coming down the pipe soon :) | 23:44 |
| Joeb454 | thanks forumsmatthew | 23:45 |
| Rocket2DMn | Awesome, I look forward to seeing it | 23:45 |
| nhandler | o/ | 23:45 |
| ubuntugeek | That's all I got, anyone else? | 23:45 |
| Technoviking | ubuntugeek: Will forum posting add to LP karma? | 23:45 |
| jacob | ubuntugeek: actually, one thing about the T&T group if you don't mind | 23:46 |
| forumsmatthew | a link to LP karma would be excellent | 23:46 |
| ubuntugeek | Oh sorry Mike, no not at this time its strictly a login mechanism . | 23:46 |
| forumsmatthew | it's a start | 23:46 |
| jacob | karma would be cool | 23:46 |
| Joeb454 | it would be nice definitely | 23:46 |
| nhandler | Would it be possible to use this LP integration to avoid Ubuntu Members/Developers needing to request a badge on the forums? | 23:46 |
| forumsmatthew | sorry, all. I have to run | 23:46 |
| jacob | bye forumsmatthew | 23:46 |
| ubuntugeek | See ya matthew | 23:46 |
| Technoviking | nhandler: that would be a good feature also | 23:46 |
| ubuntugeek | nhandler, not at this time | 23:47 |
| Brucevdk | if anybody still needs me just use my name in a sentence, meanwhile I'm going back to work | 23:47 |
| Technoviking | ubuntugeek, that for the info. I'm off also | 23:47 |
| ubuntugeek | Ok see ya all | 23:47 |
| ubuntugeek | -- end meeting | 23:47 |
| ubuntugeek | Thanks everyone | 23:48 |
| Brucevdk | thanks! | 23:48 |
| * Joeb454 begins to read logs | 23:48 | |
| ubuntugeek | We'll make a post on the forums when we are ready to test | 23:48 |
| jacob | ubuntugeek: re: T&T group, is it possible to have more than 1 team leader there? don't want to leave out other interested staff | 23:48 |
| ubuntugeek | jacob: let me check | 23:48 |
| ubuntugeek | Yes we can add more then 1 leader to a group | 23:49 |
| ubuntugeek | usergroup( | 23:49 |
| jacob | ubuntugeek: ok, thanks. i'll revive that other thread in staff if anyone else wants to join in on that, just curious for now | 23:49 |
| ubuntugeek | great. I will get the T&T stuff setup this weekend for you. Maybe tonight even, but I have to run now my wife is waiting to eat :) | 23:50 |
| ubuntugeek | Thanks everyone, have a great weekend | 23:50 |
| Rocket2DMn | food sounds like an excellent idea | 23:50 |
| jacob | ubuntugeek: no rush, i'm off to a grad party ;) | 23:50 |
| Rocket2DMn | you too ubuntugeek | 23:50 |
| Rocket2DMn | jacob, congrats :) | 23:51 |
| jacob | Rocket2DMn: not for me, but thanks (mine is in two weeks :P) | 23:51 |
| Joeb454 | jacob: can I just ask something re T & T team? | 23:56 |
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