=== lukjad007 is now known as The_Room === The_Room is now known as lukjad007 === yofel_ is now known as yofel === asac_ is now known as asac === Nicke_ is now known as Nicke [23:00] Hello everyone, welcome to the FC meeting. [23:01] Hi [23:01] * jacob waves [23:01] good evening [23:01] hi [23:01] hello [23:01] hi [23:01] hi [23:02] Alright, lets get started [23:02] Is linuxisevolution here? [23:02] Agenda https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ForumCouncilAgenda [23:03] OK we an come back to that item, [23:03] FYI, I retract my item as it was birthed out of someone else's desire who is not here. We've had it up for a couple of meetings. If he wants it back, we can re-add it another time. [23:03] Brucevdk, lets discuss your topics since you are here. [23:04] ubuntugeek: alright [23:04] matthew +1 [23:04] Changing the default subscription mode when starting a new thread (e.g. posting a question) in the Main Support forums (at the very least the General Help forum) to "Instant email notification" by default. [23:04] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ForumCouncilAgenda/DefaultSubscriptionMode [23:06] I can see where this would be handy, but I can also see that 90% of the people posting there wouldn't want this option by default. [23:06] I like how the proposal is written out so clearly. Thanks for that [23:06] Well, you'll have to realize that I already made the distinction between posting to threads and starting new threads. The notification is only set to email when starting a new thread. [23:06] I'm not sure we want to gain the reputation as "the forum that spams" [23:07] I do set my account this way, but I'm not sure it would be the desired default for the majority of users [23:07] has there been any attempt to measure interest? [23:07] It's not really all that spammy, because the notification is basically sent once.... not per reply to a thread (untill you visit the thread [23:07] Bruce, this isn't actually a configurable option on a "per" forum basis at this time. It is however a "per" user option that affects users globally. [23:08] idea: maybe add a link to the appropriate option in the welcome email for those that would want it? [23:08] forumsmatthew: I haven't polled interest [23:08] ubuntugeek: I know, that's why I described actually modifying VBulletin to supportp er forum functionality [23:08] I agree with matthew, I would prefer maybe a forum howto telling people how to switch the option on their account themselves [23:08] I know that, and you know that, but a new UF user might come in, ask a question, then get angry at email in his inbox...I only say that because I have seen people get frustrated over far less [23:08] Technoviking, that's not a bad idea [23:09] Technoviking: A post or a FAQ you mean? [23:09] The problem is, the audience I'm targetting will never voluntarily set a _global_ option for email notification [23:09] ubuntugeek: either [23:09] so global option is out of the question, even in a forum howto [23:09] whatever would get the most eyes [23:09] Technoviking: Seems fair enough, perhaps a post in the general area with details how to do it. [23:09] The only other reasonable option if you do not want to implement this idea for the reasons mentioned is to have a sticky thread telling users to turn on the option when starting a thread [23:10] ubuntugeek: ^^ [23:10] Which will most likely still be ignored by the target audience [23:11] Perhaps, but remember 90% of the audience isn't going to want to get spammed either. [23:11] ubuntugeek: perhaps add some nice, clear text around the notification dropdown? [23:11] -1 the idea, but I will +1 a post on how to enable it. [23:11] something like: "Please set this to instant email notification to keep track of any responses" [23:12] -1 the idea, but I will +1 a post on how to enable it also [23:12] I'm going to have to -1 the overall idea of changing the default, but I'll +1 a post with instructions for how to enable and a little explanation of why that would be useful. [23:12] What about the idea I just brought up though? Instead of a post an actual hint around the notification dropdown? [23:13] Thats fair enough and simple to add. [23:13] But my guess is more people will read a sticky, they are used to that [23:14] I'm inclined to agree [23:14] alright, I'd be willing to abonden my idea in favor of a sticky _and_ the little text around the dropdown :-) [23:14] fine with me [23:14] Ok, next item [23:14] Allow people to change their vote on polls, an example of where this is needed would be this thread. [23:15] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1139619 [23:15] (example) [23:15] (now... that poll doesn't have any votes yet, but it's still a good example of where I think it would be useful) [23:15] I'm not aware if VBulletin already has this functionality [23:16] I hate to say this, but it's not possible with vbulletin (that i am aware of). Once a vote is cast, it is cast. [23:16] ubuntugeek: well, if people like the idea, I'd be willing to put implementing support for it on my todo list [23:16] I can't remember a single time in the last 4+ years someone asked me to change their vote.. [23:16] me either [23:16] I've seen maybe two [23:16] ubuntugeek: doens't mean it's not useful though :-) Maybe they don't realize the potential [23:17] but they noted it in the thread, so... [23:17] Matthew: right thats the idea :) [23:17] The example example has to do with "if a device works for you", once your problem is solved, the device does work for you and the poll would not make sense anymore [23:17] I like the idea, but I would like the option to do that be part vBB and not an add-on that would put a strain on the DB [23:18] ubuntugeek: any changes to polls in vB 4, that you heard of? [23:18] I don't know, it's not a terrible idea, but it's kind of a complex solution to a simple problem: just post a note about it in the thread [23:19] Since its not something we can do currently with vbulletin and we are not adding any 3rd party code to the forums I am -1 this idea unless it gets official built into vb4 [23:19] :'( [23:19] agreed [23:20] -1 [23:20] -1 for now, maybe a re-look in vb4 [23:21] Next up is DougieRichardson here? [23:22] it doesn't seem so... [23:23] Ok we'll keep it on the agenda. [23:24] In general I like the idea Dougie is suggesting. [23:24] I think it has great potential. Hopefully he can make the next meeting [23:24] agreed [23:24] I don't think Jacob was going to make it unless he snuck in.. Jacob? [23:25] ubuntugeek: right here [23:25] w00t [23:25] we're not leaving for another 45 or so [23:25] The floor is yours.. [23:26] anyway, this isn't a concrete discussion item, but I'd like to see what the FC thinks regarding a few ideas brought up in the staff thread [23:26] Ok [23:26] which is.. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1131429&page=2 [23:27] the main point I think I see from it is having some forum/area or another way to discuss submitted tutorials [23:27] Gotcha, would this be open or a private forum for the mod's? [23:27] bapoumba brought this up here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=7220505&postcount=21 [23:28] ubuntugeek: that's something worth discussing I should think: we have a few people on staff ready to help out, though should it be open for other members? [23:29] other members on a T&T team or just general members? [23:29] Just thinking of permission issues/structure [23:29] on a T&T team; I don't think everyone should be able to view submitted tutorials/comments right away [23:29] I would give all staff and any T&T team members access and restrict all others [23:30] if a T&T team were to be made, they should have access to the mod queue and this forum [23:30] Thats something we can do [23:30] So this forum would be for discussion on how to handle new T&T's correct? [23:30] ubuntugeek: yep, correct. [23:31] it would be even better if a thread could be automatically created in this sub-forum for each item in the queue [23:31] as for the team itself, members could be found from BT, UA, and others (as bodhi mentioned I think) [23:32] I dont have a problem setting up a team and then making a forum for it. I think it would probably be created in the http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=348 forum [23:32] frodon: that would be pretty cool, don't know if entirely possible? we as staff could use the copy thread function for that to do it manually [23:32] ubuntugeek: that would work [23:33] Jacob: I think it would have to be done manually. I would have to double check [23:33] ubuntugeek: does vb have signals/actions? it's been ages since I've touched an installation - if it does, an action to copy a thread could be attached to a create thread signal thing (if I could be any more abstract :P) [23:34] ok, if it's possible it has an interest i think, otherwise doing it manually will do the job [23:34] I'd have to check, I cant remember and it doesn't ring a bell. I will let you know [23:34] Ok so lets vote to setup a T&T team and create a forum for them. +1 [23:34] +1 [23:34] +1 [23:35] Settles that :) [23:35] easy enough :D [23:35] great :) [23:36] Is ryan here to discuss the final item? [23:36] jacob: will you be the team leader? [23:36] ;) [23:36] ubuntugeek: sure [23:36] ok [23:36] just need to know when I setup the usergroup for the team who will be the leader [23:36] Ok, last item.. Talk about Launchpad/forum login integration that we will be testing soon. [23:38] Canonical developers wrote a plugin that will allow forum users to bind their forum account to a launchpad account. It also add a link to your profile page showing your LP account if it is bound. We'll be setting up a test vbulletin instance to run through some scenario's. [23:38] When I say [23:39] bind to their account, it will allow the forums to use the luanchpad login/password/openid system instead of the forums. [23:39] launchpad* [23:39] o/ [23:39] awesome [23:39] What happens with users who already have both? [23:40] They can still bind them [23:40] It just won't change your username on the forums [23:40] cool [23:40] Interesting, I like it [23:40] +1 for closer integration with other parts of the community [23:40] will karma be given to forum users for posts? [23:41] ubuntugeek: will users be able to sign in with LP without having a forum account and be able to instantly create one without going through the whole registration process? [23:41] If the user has a LP account and they use it to login on the forums it will create a forum account (i think) if memory serves me correct [23:41] if the user doesn't have a forum account [23:42] i think that would be something that needs to be tested [23:42] Would it just default to their LP login? [23:42] ubuntugeek: what happens if someone registers a LP account as "jacobmp92" (how dare they :P) and tries to sign in? [23:42] If the user has a forum account and its bound to LP it won't modify their forum account at all. Except put a link in their profile. [23:43] (fyi: i'm jpeddicord on launchpad, not jacobmp92, which is why I ask) [23:43] If the user doesn't have a forum account but has a LP account it will create a forum account (i think) [23:43] jacob, it wont let them that feature is going to be turned off. [23:44] So when I get a demo site up we'll have to have a constructive testing phase. [23:44] before putting it live :) [23:44] that may involve resident troll getting an LP account [23:44] yay [23:44] i would assume anyway [23:44] Joeb454, I'll tell him when he gets back from vacation [23:44] So I just wanted to let everyone know that is coming down the pipe soon :) [23:45] thanks forumsmatthew [23:45] Awesome, I look forward to seeing it [23:45] o/ [23:45] That's all I got, anyone else? [23:45] ubuntugeek: Will forum posting add to LP karma? [23:46] ubuntugeek: actually, one thing about the T&T group if you don't mind [23:46] a link to LP karma would be excellent [23:46] Oh sorry Mike, no not at this time its strictly a login mechanism . [23:46] it's a start [23:46] karma would be cool [23:46] it would be nice definitely [23:46] Would it be possible to use this LP integration to avoid Ubuntu Members/Developers needing to request a badge on the forums? [23:46] sorry, all. I have to run [23:46] bye forumsmatthew [23:46] See ya matthew [23:46] nhandler: that would be a good feature also [23:47] nhandler, not at this time [23:47] if anybody still needs me just use my name in a sentence, meanwhile I'm going back to work [23:47] ubuntugeek, that for the info. I'm off also [23:47] Ok see ya all [23:47] -- end meeting [23:48] Thanks everyone [23:48] thanks! [23:48] * Joeb454 begins to read logs [23:48] We'll make a post on the forums when we are ready to test [23:48] ubuntugeek: re: T&T group, is it possible to have more than 1 team leader there? don't want to leave out other interested staff [23:48] jacob: let me check [23:49] Yes we can add more then 1 leader to a group [23:49] usergroup( [23:49] ubuntugeek: ok, thanks. i'll revive that other thread in staff if anyone else wants to join in on that, just curious for now [23:50] great. I will get the T&T stuff setup this weekend for you. Maybe tonight even, but I have to run now my wife is waiting to eat :) [23:50] Thanks everyone, have a great weekend [23:50] food sounds like an excellent idea [23:50] ubuntugeek: no rush, i'm off to a grad party ;) [23:50] you too ubuntugeek [23:51] jacob, congrats :) [23:51] Rocket2DMn: not for me, but thanks (mine is in two weeks :P) [23:56] jacob: can I just ask something re T & T team?