[23:00] <ubuntugeek> Hello everyone, welcome to the FC meeting.
[23:01] <Brucevdk> Hi
[23:01]  * jacob waves
[23:01] <Rocket2DMn> good evening
[23:01] <MichaelGodawski> hi
[23:01] <Technoviking> hello
[23:01] <forumsmatthew> hi
[23:01] <frodon> hi
[23:02] <ubuntugeek> Alright, lets get started
[23:02] <ubuntugeek> Is linuxisevolution here?
[23:02] <ubuntugeek> Agenda https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ForumCouncilAgenda
[23:03] <ubuntugeek> OK we an come back to that item,
[23:03] <forumsmatthew> FYI, I retract my item as it was birthed out of someone else's desire who is not here. We've had it up for a couple of meetings. If he wants it back, we can re-add it another time.
[23:03] <ubuntugeek> Brucevdk, lets discuss your topics since you are here.
[23:04] <Brucevdk> ubuntugeek: alright
[23:04] <ubuntugeek> matthew +1
[23:04] <ubuntugeek> Changing the default subscription mode when starting a new thread (e.g. posting a question) in the Main Support forums (at the very least the General Help forum) to "Instant email notification" by default.
[23:04] <ubuntugeek> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ForumCouncilAgenda/DefaultSubscriptionMode
[23:06] <ubuntugeek> I can see where this would be handy, but I can also see that 90% of the people posting there wouldn't want this option by default.
[23:06] <forumsmatthew> I like how the proposal is written out so clearly. Thanks for that
[23:06] <Brucevdk> Well, you'll have to realize that I already made the distinction between posting to threads and starting new threads. The notification is only set to email when starting a new thread.
[23:06] <forumsmatthew> I'm not sure we want to gain the reputation as "the forum that spams"
[23:07] <forumsmatthew> I do set my account this way, but I'm not sure it would be the desired default for the majority of users
[23:07] <forumsmatthew> has there been any attempt to measure interest?
[23:07] <Brucevdk> It's not really all that spammy, because the notification is basically sent once.... not per reply to a thread (untill you visit the thread
[23:07] <ubuntugeek> Bruce, this isn't actually a configurable option on a "per" forum basis at this time. It is however a "per" user option that affects users globally.
[23:08] <jacob> idea: maybe add a link to the appropriate option in the welcome email for those that would want it?
[23:08] <Brucevdk> forumsmatthew: I haven't polled interest
[23:08] <Brucevdk> ubuntugeek: I know, that's why I described actually modifying VBulletin to supportp er forum functionality
[23:08] <Technoviking> I agree with matthew, I would prefer maybe a forum howto telling people how to switch the option on their account themselves
[23:08] <forumsmatthew> I know that, and you know that, but a new UF user might come in, ask a question, then get angry at email in his inbox...I only say that because I have seen people get frustrated over far less
[23:08] <forumsmatthew> Technoviking, that's not a bad idea
[23:09] <ubuntugeek> Technoviking: A post or a FAQ you mean?
[23:09] <Brucevdk> The problem is, the audience I'm targetting will never voluntarily set a _global_ option for email notification
[23:09] <Technoviking> ubuntugeek: either
[23:09] <Brucevdk> so global option is out of the question, even in a forum howto
[23:09] <Technoviking> whatever would get the most eyes
[23:09] <ubuntugeek> Technoviking: Seems fair enough, perhaps a post in the general area with details how to do it.
[23:09] <Brucevdk> The only other reasonable option if you do not want to implement this idea for the reasons mentioned is to have a sticky thread telling users to turn on the option when starting a thread
[23:10] <Brucevdk> ubuntugeek: ^^
[23:10] <Brucevdk> Which will most likely still be ignored by the target audience
[23:11] <ubuntugeek> Perhaps, but remember 90% of the audience isn't going to want to get spammed either.
[23:11] <Brucevdk> ubuntugeek: perhaps add some nice, clear text around the notification dropdown?
[23:11] <ubuntugeek> -1 the idea, but I will +1 a post on how to enable it.
[23:11] <Brucevdk> something like: "Please set this to instant email notification to keep track of any responses"
[23:12] <Technoviking> -1 the idea, but I will +1 a post on how to enable it also
[23:12] <forumsmatthew> I'm going to have to -1 the overall idea of changing the default, but I'll +1 a post with instructions for how to enable and a little explanation of why that would be useful.
[23:12] <Brucevdk> What about the idea I just brought up though? Instead of a post an actual hint around the notification dropdown?
[23:13] <ubuntugeek> Thats fair enough and simple to add.
[23:13] <ubuntugeek> But my guess is more people will read a sticky, they are used to that
[23:14] <forumsmatthew> I'm inclined to agree
[23:14] <Brucevdk> alright, I'd be willing to abonden my idea in favor of a sticky _and_ the little text around the dropdown :-)
[23:14] <Technoviking> fine with me
[23:14] <ubuntugeek> Ok, next item
[23:14] <ubuntugeek> Allow people to change their vote on polls, an example of where this is needed would be this thread.
[23:15] <ubuntugeek> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1139619
[23:15] <ubuntugeek> (example)
[23:15] <Brucevdk> (now... that poll doesn't have any votes yet, but it's still a good example of where I think it would be useful)
[23:15] <Brucevdk> I'm not aware if VBulletin already has this functionality
[23:16] <ubuntugeek> I hate to say this, but it's not possible with vbulletin (that i am aware of). Once a vote is cast, it is cast.
[23:16] <Brucevdk> ubuntugeek: well, if people like the idea, I'd be willing to put implementing support for it on my todo list
[23:16] <ubuntugeek> I can't remember a single time in the last 4+ years someone asked me to change their vote..
[23:16] <Technoviking> me either
[23:16] <forumsmatthew> I've seen maybe two
[23:16] <Brucevdk> ubuntugeek: doens't mean it's not useful though :-) Maybe they don't realize the potential
[23:17] <forumsmatthew> but they noted it in the thread, so...
[23:17] <ubuntugeek> Matthew: right thats the idea :)
[23:17] <Brucevdk> The example example has to do with "if a device works for you", once your problem is solved, the device does work for you and the poll would not make sense anymore
[23:17] <Technoviking> I like the idea, but I would like the option to do that be part vBB and not an add-on that would put a strain on the DB
[23:18] <Technoviking> ubuntugeek: any changes to polls in vB 4, that you heard of?
[23:18] <forumsmatthew> I don't know, it's not a terrible idea, but it's kind of a complex solution to a simple problem: just post a note about it in the thread
[23:19] <ubuntugeek> Since its not something we can do currently with vbulletin and we are not adding any 3rd party code to the forums I am -1 this idea unless it gets official built into vb4
[23:19] <Brucevdk> :'(
[23:19] <forumsmatthew> agreed
[23:20] <forumsmatthew> -1
[23:20] <Technoviking> -1 for now, maybe a re-look in vb4
[23:21] <ubuntugeek> Next up is DougieRichardson here?
[23:22] <forumsmatthew> it doesn't seem so...
[23:23] <ubuntugeek> Ok we'll keep it on the agenda.
[23:24] <ubuntugeek> In general I like the idea Dougie is suggesting.
[23:24] <forumsmatthew> I think it has great potential. Hopefully he can make the next meeting
[23:24] <ubuntugeek> agreed
[23:24] <ubuntugeek> I don't think Jacob was going to make it unless he snuck in.. Jacob?
[23:25] <jacob> ubuntugeek: right here
[23:25] <ubuntugeek> w00t
[23:25] <jacob> we're not leaving for another 45 or so
[23:25] <ubuntugeek> The floor is yours..
[23:26] <jacob> anyway, this isn't a concrete discussion item, but I'd like to see what the FC thinks regarding a few ideas brought up in the staff thread
[23:26] <ubuntugeek> Ok
[23:26] <jacob> which is.. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1131429&page=2
[23:27] <jacob> the main point I think I see from it is having some forum/area or another way to discuss submitted tutorials
[23:27] <ubuntugeek> Gotcha, would this be open or a private forum for the mod's?
[23:27] <jacob> bapoumba brought this up here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=7220505&postcount=21
[23:28] <jacob> ubuntugeek: that's something worth discussing I should think: we have a few people on staff ready to help out, though should it be open for other members?
[23:29] <ubuntugeek> other members on a T&T team or just general members?
[23:29] <ubuntugeek> Just thinking of permission issues/structure
[23:29] <jacob> on a T&T team; I don't think everyone should be able to view submitted tutorials/comments right away
[23:29] <forumsmatthew> I would give all staff and any T&T team members access and restrict all others
[23:30] <jacob> if a T&T team were to be made, they should have access to the mod queue and this forum
[23:30] <ubuntugeek> Thats something we can do
[23:30] <ubuntugeek> So this forum would be for discussion on how to handle new T&T's correct?
[23:30] <jacob> ubuntugeek: yep, correct.
[23:31] <frodon> it would be even better if a thread could be automatically created in this sub-forum for each item in the queue
[23:31] <jacob> as for the team itself, members could be found from BT, UA, and others (as bodhi mentioned I think)
[23:32] <ubuntugeek> I dont have a problem setting up a team and then making a forum for it. I think it would probably be created in the http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=348 forum
[23:32] <jacob> frodon: that would be pretty cool, don't know if entirely possible? we as staff could use the copy thread function for that to do it manually
[23:32] <jacob> ubuntugeek: that would work
[23:33] <ubuntugeek> Jacob: I think it would have to be done manually. I would have to double check
[23:33] <jacob> ubuntugeek: does vb have signals/actions? it's been ages since I've touched an installation - if it does, an action to copy a thread could be attached to a create thread signal thing (if I could be any more abstract :P)
[23:34] <frodon> ok, if it's possible it has an interest i think, otherwise doing it manually will do the job
[23:34] <ubuntugeek> I'd have to check, I cant remember and it doesn't ring a bell. I will let you know
[23:34] <ubuntugeek> Ok so lets vote to setup a T&T team and create a forum for them. +1
[23:34] <Technoviking> +1
[23:34] <forumsmatthew> +1
[23:35] <ubuntugeek> Settles that :)
[23:35] <jacob> easy enough :D
[23:35] <frodon> great :)
[23:36] <forumsmatthew> Is ryan here to discuss the final item?
[23:36] <ubuntugeek> jacob: will you be the team leader?
[23:36] <forumsmatthew> ;)
[23:36] <jacob> ubuntugeek: sure
[23:36] <ubuntugeek> ok
[23:36] <ubuntugeek> just need to know when I setup the usergroup for the team who will be the leader
[23:36] <ubuntugeek> Ok, last item.. Talk about Launchpad/forum login integration that we will be testing soon.
[23:38] <ubuntugeek> Canonical developers wrote a plugin that will allow forum users to bind their forum account to a launchpad account. It also add a link to your profile page showing your LP account if it is bound. We'll be setting up a test vbulletin instance to run through some scenario's.
[23:38] <ubuntugeek> When I say
[23:39] <ubuntugeek> bind to their account, it will allow the forums to use the luanchpad login/password/openid system instead of the forums.
[23:39] <ubuntugeek> launchpad*
[23:39] <Rocket2DMn> o/
[23:39] <jacob> awesome
[23:39] <Rocket2DMn> What happens with users who already have both?
[23:40] <ubuntugeek> They can still bind them
[23:40] <ubuntugeek> It just won't change your username on the forums
[23:40] <forumsmatthew> cool
[23:40] <Rocket2DMn> Interesting, I like it
[23:40] <Rocket2DMn> +1 for closer integration with other parts of the community
[23:40] <Technoviking> will karma be given to forum users for posts?
[23:41] <jacob> ubuntugeek: will users be able to sign in with LP without having a forum account and be able to instantly create one without going through the whole registration process?
[23:41] <ubuntugeek> If the user has a LP account and they use it to login on the forums it will create a forum account (i think) if memory serves me correct
[23:41] <ubuntugeek> if the user doesn't have a forum account
[23:42] <Joeb454> i think that would be something that needs to be tested
[23:42] <Rocket2DMn> Would it just default to their LP login?
[23:42] <jacob> ubuntugeek: what happens if someone registers a LP account as "jacobmp92" (how dare they :P) and tries to sign in?
[23:42] <ubuntugeek> If the user has a forum account and its bound to LP it won't modify their forum account at all. Except put a link in their profile.
[23:43] <jacob> (fyi: i'm jpeddicord on launchpad, not jacobmp92, which is why I ask)
[23:43] <ubuntugeek> If the user doesn't have a forum account but has a LP account it will create a forum account (i think)
[23:43] <ubuntugeek> jacob, it wont let them that feature is going to be turned off.
[23:44] <ubuntugeek> So when I get a demo site up we'll have to have a constructive testing phase.
[23:44] <ubuntugeek> before putting it live :)
[23:44] <Joeb454> that may involve resident troll getting an LP account
[23:44] <jacob> yay
[23:44] <Joeb454> i would assume anyway
[23:44] <forumsmatthew> Joeb454, I'll tell him when he gets back from vacation
[23:44] <ubuntugeek> So I just wanted to let everyone know that is coming down the pipe soon :)
[23:45] <Joeb454> thanks forumsmatthew
[23:45] <Rocket2DMn> Awesome, I look forward to seeing it
[23:45] <nhandler> o/
[23:45] <ubuntugeek> That's all I got, anyone else?
[23:45] <Technoviking> ubuntugeek: Will forum posting add to LP karma?
[23:46] <jacob> ubuntugeek: actually, one thing about the T&T group if you don't mind
[23:46] <forumsmatthew> a link to LP karma would be excellent
[23:46] <ubuntugeek> Oh sorry Mike, no not at this time its strictly a login mechanism .
[23:46] <forumsmatthew> it's a start
[23:46] <jacob> karma would be cool
[23:46] <Joeb454> it would be nice definitely
[23:46] <nhandler> Would it be possible to use this LP integration to avoid Ubuntu Members/Developers needing to request a badge on the forums?
[23:46] <forumsmatthew> sorry, all. I have to run
[23:46] <jacob> bye forumsmatthew
[23:46] <ubuntugeek> See ya matthew
[23:46] <Technoviking> nhandler: that would be a good feature also
[23:47] <ubuntugeek> nhandler, not at this time
[23:47] <Brucevdk> if anybody still needs me just use my name in a sentence, meanwhile I'm going back to work
[23:47] <Technoviking> ubuntugeek, that for the info. I'm off also
[23:47] <ubuntugeek> Ok see ya all
[23:47] <ubuntugeek> -- end meeting
[23:48] <ubuntugeek> Thanks everyone
[23:48] <Brucevdk> thanks!
[23:48]  * Joeb454 begins to read logs
[23:48] <ubuntugeek> We'll make a post on the forums when we are ready to test
[23:48] <jacob> ubuntugeek: re: T&T group, is it possible to have more than 1 team leader there? don't want to leave out other interested staff
[23:48] <ubuntugeek> jacob: let me check
[23:49] <ubuntugeek> Yes we can add more then 1 leader to a group
[23:49] <ubuntugeek> usergroup(
[23:49] <jacob> ubuntugeek: ok, thanks. i'll revive that other thread in staff if anyone else wants to join in on that, just curious for now
[23:50] <ubuntugeek> great. I will get the T&T stuff setup this weekend for you. Maybe tonight even, but I have to run now my wife is waiting to eat :)
[23:50] <ubuntugeek> Thanks everyone, have a great weekend
[23:50] <Rocket2DMn> food sounds like an excellent idea
[23:50] <jacob> ubuntugeek: no rush, i'm off to a grad party ;)
[23:50] <Rocket2DMn> you too ubuntugeek
[23:51] <Rocket2DMn> jacob, congrats :)
[23:51] <jacob> Rocket2DMn: not for me, but thanks (mine is in two weeks :P)
[23:56] <Joeb454> jacob: can I just ask something re T & T team?