[00:00] <BUGabundo> nixternal: JontheEchidna: ^^^^
[00:01]  * JontheEchidna doesn't really use that functionality at all :(
[00:02] <BUGabundo> JontheEchidna: you don't reply to emails sent via mailinglist?
[00:04] <nixternal> I do, but I press ctrl+r when using KMail
[00:04] <nixternal> I use Mutt all of the time now, except for testing and doing documentation for kdepim now
[00:04]  * nixternal gets ready to eat
[00:04] <BUGabundo> I tried 'r', 'l' and 'a'
[00:04] <BUGabundo> all fail
[00:05] <JontheEchidna> I just hit the reply button...
[00:05] <BUGabundo> there's now button for that on the mouse right click for this emails
[00:05] <BUGabundo> other its fine
[00:05] <BUGabundo> :(
[00:12] <lex79> JontheEchidna: aloa
[00:12] <lex79> are you ready for some uploads?  :)
[00:13] <JontheEchidna> lex79: ready as I'll ever be ;-)
[00:14] <lex79> JontheEchidna: you are nice guy  :D
[00:14] <lex79> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/ScottKitterman/Libplasma-Dev
[00:14] <lex79> https://edge.launchpad.net/~alessandro-ghersi/+archive/ppa
[00:14] <BUGabundo> what would *ever* in the source remove the "Reply submenu" from the right mouse click ?
[00:15] <JontheEchidna> lex79: O.o
[00:15] <lex79> do you like? hihihih
[00:15]  * JontheEchidna will start in 5 mins :P
[00:17] <lex79> good stuff to become motu :P
[00:37] <lex79> JontheEchidna: attention with playwolf...I changed version to 0.7.2a to fix ppa reject
[00:50] <JontheEchidna> lex79: half way there
[00:51] <lex79> groovy !!! :D
[01:05] <JontheEchidna> lex79: done :D
[01:05] <lex79> plasma-widget rain in mailing list  lol
[01:06] <lex79> yeah, thanks
[01:07] <JontheEchidna> plasma-widget is taking over Ubuntu!!!
[01:07]  * JontheEchidna uploads plasma-widget-skynet :P
[01:07] <lex79> hihihihih :P
[01:09] <lex79> JontheEchidna: there are some plasma-widget with transitional package (plasmoid-*). What are you do? can you remove the dummy package?
[01:10] <lex79> and then we can request for removal from archive?
[01:11] <JontheEchidna> removing the dummy packages will remove them from the archive automatically next upload
[01:11] <JontheEchidna> but yes, I think this release we will be able to remove dummy packages added last release
[01:13] <lex79> fine
[01:14] <JontheEchidna> http://topcultured.com/food/what-time-is-it-when-youre-out-of-ice-cream/
[01:16] <lex79> time to die LoL
[01:29] <lex79> kipi-plugins not want yet build :(
[01:29] <lex79> listsounditems.h:36:25: error: Phonon/Global: No such file or directory
[01:58] <JontheEchidna> lex79: that'll be fairly easy to fix
[01:59] <JontheEchidna> lex79: make a patch like this: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Ekubuntu-members/kdeplasma-addons/ubuntu/annotate/head%3A/debian/patches/kubuntu_01_qt_phonon.diff
[02:01] <lex79> I thought it was a problem of phonon package....ok, thanks for the patch
[02:03] <lex79> JontheEchidna: if you want you can make the package :)
[02:04] <lex79> the bug is here: launchpad bug 375631
[02:53] <yao_ziyuan> are there kde 4.3 beta packages for jaunty?
[02:53] <yao_ziyuan> i know they're for karmic
[02:54] <yao_ziyuan> but i fear to upgrade to karmic as i would receive endless updates for the next 6 months
[03:50] <sched> can some one help me how can i migrate from kde 3 development libraries to kde 4
[03:50] <sched> ?
[03:58] <lex79> JontheEchidna: libplasma transition done
[03:58] <lex79> night :)
[04:05] <nixternal> anyone around to brainstorm concerning the current state of Kubuntu?
[04:05] <nixternal> dev hopefully
[04:08] <yuriy> nixternal: aren't we doing that in 2 days?
[04:08] <nixternal> i guess
[04:08] <nixternal> are you using intel or something else for video?
[04:08] <yuriy> intel on one machine
[04:09] <Hobbsee> nixternal: happy to brainstorm, but it'll be from the outside?
[04:09] <nixternal> I am using intel on all of my machines, but with jaunty I have the intrepid x and what not so I don't have any of the intel issues
[04:09] <Hobbsee> if that's helpful
[04:09] <nixternal> I just installed openSUSE and have been playing with it for the better part of the past 8 hours :/
[04:09] <Hobbsee> nixternal: traitor.  whatever happened to vista?
[04:10] <nixternal> openSUSE blows our doors off, and Ubuntu's doors off in every aspect related to speed, except of course package management
[04:10] <nixternal> Hobbsee: openSUSE is Microsoft right?
[04:10] <Hobbsee> err...
[04:10] <Hobbsee> a bit?
[04:10] <nixternal> haha
[04:10] <nixternal> I am running KDE 4.3 Beta 1 on openSUSE and it is so fast
[04:11] <nixternal> nothing like I have ever run in the Linux world before
[04:11] <nixternal> their fonts suck though, but usability is good and speed is wow
[04:11] <nixternal> we, including Ubuntu, need to figure out what we are doing wrong
[04:11] <yuriy> speed how? faster redrawing? faster loading programs?
[04:12] <nixternal> faster everything
[04:12] <nixternal> everything, boot, redraw, loading, you name it
[04:12] <nixternal> except for package management :)
[04:12] <yuriy> boot is pretty damn fast in jaunty+, or do you mean login because that part of it is still sloww
[04:13] <Hobbsee> are they using a different version of xorg?
[04:13] <nixternal> from the time I hit the menu to select what I want to boot, to *dm
[04:14] <nixternal> from login to desktop is damn near instant, and this is KDE 4.3 beta 1
[04:14] <yuriy> on openSUSE it is? with a session saved or bare desktop?
[04:14] <nixternal> yes
[04:14] <nixternal> bare desktop
[04:14] <nixternal> well, stock kde 4.3 beta 1 desktop
[04:14] <nixternal> no changes by me
[04:15] <yuriy> i guess even with a bare desktop kubuntu login is fairly slow -- RHEL4/5 gnome is much faster
[04:15] <nixternal> lol
[04:15] <vorian> nixternal: do you have a quick howto on building trunk?  like the startkde script and the kde desktop thingy that points to it?
[04:16] <nixternal> i don't know what they are doing, but my god it is fast
[04:16] <nixternal> vorian: i just do it the old school way
[04:16] <nixternal> the quick howto would probably be svnbuild
[04:16] <yuriy> take a look at their start scripts?
[04:16] <nixternal> no I haven't
[04:17] <vorian> okie, I think i still have those somewhere
[04:17] <nixternal> if their package management wasn't shit (ie. yast), it would be really good
[04:18] <yuriy> nixternal: are you coming to UDS?
[04:18] <nixternal> nope
[04:18] <yuriy> aw
[04:19] <nixternal> ok, the opensuse live cd has everything we do, and then some
[04:20] <Hobbsee> cd?  or is it a dvd?
[04:20] <nixternal> cd
[04:20] <ScottK> I left opensuse for here after they delivered a totally broken 10.1 update system due to Novell forcing some unready stuff on them against their wishes.
[04:21] <nixternal> sounds familiar
[04:21] <ScottK> I now see some irony in that.
[04:21] <ScottK> ;-)
[04:21] <ScottK> Well we didn't get forced yet and hopefully we come up with something we can all live with.
[04:22] <nixternal> they even have marble, games, and actually way more with all of their yast/sax/zypper stuff too
[04:22] <nixternal> it took me forever to install though
[04:22] <nixternal> their installation process is worse than watching grass grow
[04:32] <Hobbsee> that's if it installs
[04:32] <Hobbsee> i tried it out a while ago, in a vm.  failed to install
[04:38] <vorian> found them scripties
[04:39] <Gonium> hi
[04:39] <Gonium> I have a small issue with Kate
[04:41] <Gonium> when I select the "tab" plugin, and reopening kate, this is not loaded and deselected
[04:42] <yuriy> Gonium: happens to me with all plugins actually
[04:42] <Gonium> yes
[04:42] <Gonium> all plugins
[04:43] <yuriy> kde bug 156330
[04:44] <vorian> hrm
[04:45] <yuriy> Gonium: bug 206176
[04:46] <Gonium> :/
[04:46] <vorian> yuriy! drudging up the olde school powa!
[04:47]  * vorian has a feeling the answer will be .... "maybe by it'll be ready by 4.4"
[04:48] <vorian> where is kde.desktop?
[04:53] <Gonium> nor saves other options, such as line numbers
[06:09] <ScottK> Any idea why we seed the Debian kde-core package on our DvD?
[14:04]  * jussi01 waves
[14:11]  * Mamarok waves back
[14:11] <Mamarok> theer *is* live in this channel
[14:15] <Tm_T> is not
[15:00]  * ScottK notes the kprof just ftbfs on all archs due to arts transition problems and then goes back to packing.
[16:38] <ScottK-desktop> lex79_: On your plasma-widget updates you should have bumped the kdelibs5-dev build-dep to 4.2.85 as they won't build against 4.2.2 anymore (due to libplasma-dev).  Don't re-upload them all now, but remember it for next time you touch the packages.
[16:48] <lex79_> ScottK-desktop: ok I'll remember
[18:02] <_Groo_> hi/2 all..
[18:03] <Quintasan> _Groo_: hiho
[18:03] <Quintasan> rgreening was here?
[18:03] <_Groo_> whats up?
[18:09] <Quintasan> nothing, just wanted to know what's with my packages, rgreening should know but he's not around
[18:17]  * apachelogger sure hopes Riddell is somewhat available
[18:17] <apachelogger> Riddell: ping
[18:20] <neversfelde> REVU is somehow broken, I cannot upload anymore :/
[18:22] <Quintasan> apachelogger: got a second?
[18:22] <apachelogger> depends
[18:22]  * apachelogger needs more space for neon -.-
[18:22] <Quintasan> apachelogger: I pinged you earlier, if you have a second please check my pgame package on REVU :)
[18:27] <apachelogger> I would really think you people should package stuff other than plasmoids
[18:27] <apachelogger> other as in : acctual apps
[18:27] <apachelogger> wooo I am lagging
[18:28] <apachelogger> x likes eating my cpu \o/
[18:28] <neversfelde> huh, I got much karma for choqok, why for choqok and not for the packages before?
[18:28] <neversfelde> :)
[18:29] <_Groo_> apachelogger: ive fixed amarok 2.1, have packages for rekonq 0.1 final and arora 0.6.1
[18:29] <neversfelde> launchpad is sneaky
[18:29] <apachelogger> Quintasan: still using dh7, still outdated timestamp in changelog judging from the diff
[18:29] <apachelogger> there _Groo_ does useful stuff :D
[18:29] <apachelogger> :P
[18:29] <_Groo_> apachelogger: and doing kmplayer 0.11.1a
[18:29] <apachelogger> ah, I take that back :P
[18:29] <_Groo_> apachelogger: lol !
[18:30] <neversfelde> what was the problem with amarok?
[18:30] <Quintasan> apachelogger: I SHOULDN'T use dh7?
[18:30] <_Groo_> apachelogger: i just never send it because no one ever bothers to explain to me how i should proceed, hassle free
[18:30] <apachelogger> Quintasan: not unless you have a really good reason for doing so
[18:30] <_Groo_> neversfelde: was segfaulting with apachelogger patches
[18:30] <apachelogger> nah!
[18:30] <apachelogger> not mine
[18:31] <apachelogger> I DON'T LIKE PATCHES
[18:31] <apachelogger> like not at all
[18:31] <Quintasan> apachelogger: which version should I use then?
[18:31] <neversfelde> ah ok, is a package available in experimental?
[18:31] <apachelogger> Quintasan: 5 or 6
[18:31] <Quintasan> apachelogger: kk, fixing
[18:31] <apachelogger> _Groo_: mail the list on how to proceed
[18:32] <apachelogger> Riddell: if you don't mind, please throw https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/soyuz/+question/72083 at cprov in case it has not been addressed before then :)
[18:33]  * apachelogger got a fancy way to pull a stable qca in without too much hassle but can't upload because the PPA is out of space :D
[18:33] <_Groo_> apachelogger: Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> isnt that you?
[18:33] <apachelogger> _Groo_: it is
[18:33] <_Groo_> apachelogger: which list?
[18:34] <apachelogger> kubuntu-devel
[18:35] <_Groo_> apachelogger: oh, btw, two bugs in kde 4.3 beta 1... kdenetwork is missing the bittorrent lib, so ko kget bittorrent for you, and strigi is broken because he cant find /usr/lib/libjvm.so (needs a symlink to a workable java sdk)
[18:36] <apachelogger> I ain't got nothing to do with that
[18:36] <apachelogger> report bugs
[18:37] <_Groo_> apachelogger: i know, i was just reporting
[18:40] <Quintasan> apachelogger: k, fixed and uploaded
[18:42] <neversfelde> does someone know why kleopatra cannot handle x.509 certs. Is that an upstream or a packaging problem?
[18:43]  * _Groo_ remembers something to do with the me gpg built
[18:43] <_Groo_> neversfelde: what kleopatra test tool tells you?
[18:44] <apachelogger> gwenview is so hot!
[18:46] <neversfelde> _Groo_: it skips gpgconf, gpg, gpg-agent, scdaemon, gpgsm and drimngr self test
[18:46]  * _Groo_ thinks apachelogger needs to get out more :D
[18:46] <apachelogger> seriously
[18:46] <_Groo_> neversfelde: check gpgsm for x509 support
[18:46] <apachelogger> did you take a look at 4.3's gwenview
[18:46] <apachelogger> easily keeps up with neversfelde
[18:46] <_Groo_> apachelogger: im using it :) its very cool indeed :)
[18:47] <apachelogger> almost Nightrose as well
[18:47] <apachelogger> but only almost
[18:48] <apachelogger> Quintasan: forgot to change debian/compat
[18:48] <Quintasan> argh
[18:49] <neversfelde> apachelogger: ?
[18:49] <apachelogger> no-thing
[18:55] <neversfelde> kleopatra needs gpgconf 2.0.10 and jaunty ships only 2.0.9
[18:58] <Quintasan> hmm I have a question, what happened to the openoffice.org-kde package? It was buggy like hell or it was not working?
[19:15] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: ping ?
[19:16] <Tonio_> or apachelogger :)
[19:16] <Tonio_> I notices a file conflict in the kde 4.3 beta one package : http://pastebin.ca/1432190
[19:16] <Tonio_> I can fix, but I'd like to know what is supposed to in which package....
[19:18] <apachelogger> Tonio_: I suppose it should be dropped from libkdepim4
[19:18] <Tonio_> apachelogger: afaics, yes
[19:18] <Tonio_> apachelogger: fixing
[19:18] <apachelogger> talk to debian :P
[19:19] <Tonio_> sure
[19:19]  * apachelogger also likes the new kopete
[19:19] <apachelogger> btw
[19:19] <apachelogger> we need to pimp the default settings
[19:19] <apachelogger> not having user pics by default is just awful IMHO
[19:19] <Tonio_> apachelogger: kds is pretty much my child :) just ask for the changes by email, I'll apply the fixes :)
[19:20] <apachelogger> no time, gotta watch ER :P
[19:20] <Tonio_> I take the note and will fix then :)
[19:20] <Tonio_> thanks
[19:20] <apachelogger> Tonio_: in general you might want to play with the contact list settings a bit
[19:21] <Tonio_> apachelogger: also, what is the dput incoming entry for the kubuntu experimental ppa please ?
[19:21] <apachelogger> the defaults are just not looking good at all
[19:21] <Tonio_> apachelogger: there are lots to perform with default settings
[19:21]  * Quintasan needs to install karmic on second machine
[19:21] <apachelogger> Tonio_: ~kubuntu-ppa/experimental/ubuntu/ I suppose
[19:22] <Tonio_> I didn't do much on jaunty as we had lot to do in testing al the svn extra components, but now those are on the way to be released, I'll restart the defaults work for karmic
[19:22] <apachelogger> didn't migrate to kubuntu-ppa yet :D
[19:22] <apachelogger> Tonio_: make sure you talk to upstream though
[19:22] <apachelogger> most of the stuff should be done upstream really
[19:22] <apachelogger> like I see no reason why the kopete contact list needs to be creepy by default ;-)
[19:22] <Tonio_> apachelogger: about defaults ?
[19:22] <apachelogger> yes
[19:23] <Tonio_> then debian is not who to talk too :)
[19:23] <Tonio_> better talk with kopete devs then
[19:23] <apachelogger> that is what I meant :P
[19:23] <Tonio_> kk :)
[19:23]  * apachelogger doesn't consider debian upstream but partner :P
[19:24] <Tonio_> apachelogger: concerning kopete I think they just rewrote the userlist removing all the k3* classes
[19:25] <Tonio_> apachelogger: reason of the uglyness could be the "newness" :)
[19:25] <Tonio_> apachelogger: the issue I mentionned was fixed in karmic not in experimental
[19:26] <Tonio_> that reminds me when I said that new kde version packaged for the stable release didn't receive enough love...
[19:26] <Tonio_> and that dupes the effort...
[19:26] <vorian> I'm at the airport
[19:26] <Tonio_> ScottK is gonna kill me in 2 days :)
[19:26] <vorian> oh, wait
[19:26] <Tonio_> vorian: hehe, we'll see tomorrow then
[19:26] <vorian> na, i'm sitting at home
[19:26] <Tonio_> Riddell: I think we're on the ame plane btw
[19:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: leaving from paris right ?
[19:27] <vorian> Tonio_: i wish B-)
[19:27] <vorian> maybe next time around
[19:27]  * Tonio_ reboots with kde4.3 and then leaves the computer as I'm not alone...
[19:28] <apachelogger> kopete had that default since forever
[19:29] <apachelogger> Tonio_: <apachelogger> kopete had that default since forever
[19:30] <Tonio_> apachelogger: hum then I'll ping upstream and fix in kds
[19:30] <apachelogger> aye aye
[19:30] <Tonio_> apachelogger: I seem to remember I already fixed in the past in kds
[19:32] <Tonio_> hum aren't we supposed to get the new air theme with 4.3 ? isn't it upstream already ?
[19:33] <Tonio_> hum the cursor issue is there.... still 4.0 alpha1.... I think it'll never get fixed
[19:33] <Tonio_> how can they just code something like kde and let a cursor issue for 3 years....
[19:34] <Sput> huh, what's new about kopete?
[19:34]  * Sput uses trunk and hence doesn't really notice gradual changes
[19:39] <Tonio_> the new folder view is absolutly genius :)
[19:44] <Quintasan> hmm, can anyone tell me the difference between Phonon and Qt4 Phonon? I read the rgreening's wiki page and dunno what it means
[19:44]  * Sput thinks he should dive into kopete's settings again then :)
[19:47] <BUGabundo> nixternal: just reporting back. I made new kmail folders (maildir) and now it seems to be working! no idea what was wrong
[20:15] <Mamarok> claydoh: thx for the mail :)
[20:16] <Mamarok> away
[20:16] <claydoh> Mamarok :)
[20:16] <Mamarok> oops
[20:16] <Mamarok> this time the slash was in :)
[20:16] <Mamarok> claydoh: should we make a list for the four Yorkshire men?
[20:17] <claydoh> heh with just them and no one else
[20:17] <Mamarok> right, and Steven...
[20:17] <claydoh> steven needs to go to a forum
[20:17] <claydoh> much better suited to his needs imo
[20:19] <Mamarok> yes, but it was already a pain to explain a list behaviour, a forum... I think he should see a doctor first, in the year he is on the list he made no progress at all, forgetting even the simplest things
[20:19] <Mamarok> and in his case it's not laziness
[20:20] <Mamarok> but he hasn't sent a single post since the last flame
[20:20] <claydoh> yeah, I usually ingore his threads :( so I didn't really notice
[20:25] <sheytan_> Hi, just have a question. Will you move the hardware drivers app move to systemsettings?
[20:26] <vorian> hmm, that could be trixy
[20:28] <sheytan_> what does trixy mean? I'm not so good in english :D
[20:29] <vorian> sorry, that could be very involved and difficult
[20:29] <vorian> i don't know anyone that is planning on taking that on at the moment
[20:30] <sheytan_> oh, IMO it would be good to have it there, cause it's some how related with systemsettings
[20:30] <vorian> sure
[20:31] <sheytan_> and why difficult, there's so meny modules done yet
[20:32] <neversfelde> sheytan_: it is a topic for UDS
[20:32] <neversfelde> see https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuKarmicSpecs
[20:35] <vorian> i didn't say it was a bad idea
[20:35] <vorian> :P
[20:35] <vorian> IIRC... one goal for the systems settings the last cycle was to get evertying on one page/tab
[20:36] <vorian> (see how well that turned out)
[20:39] <vorian> oh, i see it was JontheEchidna that added that little tidbit to the wiki
[20:49] <Mamarok> Gwenview doesn't work in kde 4.3 Jaunty btw:
[20:49] <Mamarok> gwenview PID: 9612 Signal: 11 (Segmentation fault)
[20:50] <Mamarok> reproducible
[20:50] <gkiagia> hey there! I was highlighted here yesterday when you were talking about FTBFS of kdebase-runtime in arm (in drkonqi code; I have a highlight on "drkonqi" :P) and I just wanted to tell you that I fixed that (among other things) in r971959.
[21:36] <ScottK> Quintasan: We're switching to the Qt phonon because using the KDE phonon caused a circular build-dependency.
[21:36]  * ScottK waves from the airport
[21:36] <Quintasan> ScottK: thanks
[21:36]  * Quintasan waves back
[21:36] <Quintasan> where are you going? :)
[21:37] <ScottK> Heh.  Barcelona, I hope.
[21:37] <Quintasan> You hope? :D
[21:38] <vorian> where does the kde.desktop file go (to select a session on startup) ?
[21:38] <ScottK> That's my plan.  One can never predict the future with certainty.
[21:38] <vorian> ScottK: have a loverly flight :)
[21:38] <ScottK> Thanks.
[21:38] <Quintasan> vorian: /usr/share/xsessions/ I think
[21:38] <Quintasan> ScottK: so I hope you will have a safe trip :3
[21:39] <ScottK> Thanks.
[21:39]  * ScottK too.
[21:39] <Quintasan> vorian: or /usr/share/kde4/apps/kdm/sessions/
[21:39] <vorian> Quintasan: first was correct
[21:39] <vorian> and a BIG thanks :)
[21:39] <Quintasan> np :D
[22:07]  * claydoh nukes his favorite mailing list, runs and hides in the forums
[22:15] <Mamarok> ikonia: oh my, where is he not bothering us?
[22:15] <Mamarok> here!
[22:16] <ikonia> ha ha
[22:16] <ikonia> you're safe
[22:16]  * ScottK wonders what's going on.
[22:16] <Mamarok> ScottK: eagles started using SuSE 9.0 9 years ago
[22:16] <ikonia> not much
[22:17] <ikonia> he's been using linux for 9 years, he started with suse 9
[22:17]  * ikonia does the math
[22:17] <ScottK> Ah.
[22:17] <Mamarok> I told him if he really had been suing Linux since 9 years he shouldn't ask beginner questions anymore
[22:17] <ScottK> Did we ban him again?
[22:17] <ikonia> yup
[22:17] <ScottK> Excellent.
[22:17] <ikonia> hence why Mamarok is safe
[22:18] <ikonia> and now I must away to watch a film, Mamarok enjoy !
[22:18]  * ScottK gets it now.
[22:18] <Mamarok> s/suing/using :)
[22:19]  * jussi01 looks in
[22:19] <claydoh> heck I have been using linux since 2000 and I still don't know a huge amount :)
[22:19] <jussi01> claydoh: haha,
[22:20] <ikonia> hey jussi01
[22:20] <ScottK> Well I've been using it since 2005 and I don't know nearly as much as people seem to think I do.
[22:20] <jussi01> ScottK: everyone know you know everything, dont try denying it... only person who knows more is Riddell :P
[22:20]  * claydoh has been using 'user-friendly' distros
[22:20]  * ikonia bows to ScottK 
[22:20] <neversfelde> kleopatra passed the self test now, but still no X.509 support :/
[22:20]  * ScottK notes that airport wireless is not the best for trying to test build packages.
[22:20] <ikonia> right film time
[22:21] <jussi01> laters ikonia
[22:21]  * claydoh went full-time linux with Lycoris, back in 2002
[22:21] <ScottK> Downloading 111MB of build-dep takes a while.
[22:21] <jussi01> ScottK: hehe
[22:22]  * Mamarok started as a plain user with Redhat 5 and never managed to get X working with that
[22:22] <Mamarok> really got an idea with SuSE 6.2 the YaST hell
[22:22] <vorian> ScottK: that's when I started using it too
[22:22]  * vorian still knows next to nothing
[22:22] <jussi01> Mamarok: haha, I did a similar thing,  then didnt start with ubuntu till edgy
[22:23] <Mamarok> I used Ubuntu since Warty every now and then, only really started when KDE came in
[22:23]  * Mamarok can't even remember when that was
[22:24] <ScottK> I started playing around with Xandros is early 2005 and then in July 2005 a Windows Update borked my main desktop.  I figured since I had to do a new OS install anyway, I'd try going Linux as long as I could.  The experiment continues.
[22:24] <Mamarok> ScottK: then I must have been very brave, I removed Windows back in SuSE times, then back to RedHat again (payed fo even), then Mandrake
[22:24] <jussi01> ScottK: Nice
[22:25] <jussi01> I started using edgy after trying out OSX on my dell :P
[22:25] <jussi01> primary motivation: poor student, didnt want to deal with viruses
[22:26] <ScottK> It took me about 6 months to get tired of the training wheels on Xandros, switched to opensuse just in time to get a totally broken 10.1, and then bailed for Kubuntu just after Dapper came out.
[22:27] <claydoh> I *almost* became a full-time BeOS user, its what brought me to linux
[22:28] <claydoh> mandrake 7 was sweet, 7.2 broke just about everything on my ssystem
[22:28] <claydoh> then elx and redmondlinux
[22:29] <Mamarok> i went to Debian when Mandrake changed to Mandriva
[22:29] <Mamarok> Potato...
[22:34] <Quintasan> oh god, ancient times for me :D
[22:43] <claydoh> I went to Kubuntu shortly after Lycoris was aquired by mandriva. Wow, it has been a while since I changed distros
[22:46] <Mamarok> could somebody have a look in #kubuntu plz? My support day is over...
[23:09] <Mamarok> just back from brushing teeth, I think some help is needed in #kubuntu, I'm off to bed
[23:46] <JontheEchidna> hehe, they're killing all the kicker bugs upstream, finally.
[23:49] <neversfelde> there is a kid3 KDE4 in unstable, only one KDE3 application left here :)
[23:50] <nixternal> anyone else have a broken digikam? ie. it will not load my pictures at all
[23:51] <nixternal> I have blasted all of the configs and the old db, rebuilt the db, which saw the photos, but the pics do not show up in digikam
[23:56] <jussi01> JontheEchidna: ping
[23:56] <JontheEchidna> jussi01: pong
[23:57] <jussi01> JontheEchidna: did you note Riddell's blog where he mentioned someone fixed the gwenview crasher bug?
[23:57] <JontheEchidna> yeah, saw that
[23:57] <jussi01> JontheEchidna: do you think we could go find that fix?
[23:57]  * jussi01 wants gwenview back...