[00:27] <jordi1983> I have an idea, and I want to know do you all think, wouldn't it be cool to have a PPA containing daily builds for the last ati r6xx/r7xx 3D support in order to be tested on ubuntu, and this way helping to speed up their stabilization and development?
[00:28] <BUGabundo> jordi1983: doesn't the ppa for x-testers already provide trunk drivers?
[00:29] <rski> yeah but they are pretty outdated afaik
[00:29] <BUGabundo> how can trunk be outdated?
[00:29] <jordi1983> Which is the url? I think I've checked that PPA today
[00:30] <jordi1983> I've read on the Phoronix forums that the only way to check out this code is through the git repositorya
[00:33] <BUGabundo> please wait
[00:33] <jordi1983> if by x testers you mean xorg crack pushers there isn't the r6xx 3d support branch, is the master branch
[00:33] <BUGabundo>   https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/x-updates/
[00:34] <BUGabundo>    https://edge.launchpad.net/~xorg-edgers/+archive/ppa
[00:35] <BUGabundo> thread https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2009-April/028181.html
[00:35] <BUGabundo> jordi1983: ^^^^^^^^^
[00:37] <jordi1983> these packages doesn't provide 3d for r6xx/7xx, they provide EXA and xvideo
[00:40] <jordi1983> there is a branch now called r6xx-r7xx-3d at the xorg git that provides DRI support for that video cards
[00:40] <jordi1983> look: http://www.x.org/wiki/radeonhd%3Aexperimental_3D
[00:41] <BUGabundo> you have to talk to the #ubuntu-x guys
[00:41] <BUGabundo> I don't do video
[00:41] <jordi1983> ok
[00:41] <jordi1983> thanks
[00:41] <BUGabundo> maybe cwillu wants to help you out
[00:41] <BUGabundo> cwillu: ping
[00:41] <BUGabundo> cwillu: my friend are you up ?? or traveling around the country ?
[00:44]  * cwillu hides
[00:44] <BUGabundo> cwillu: hayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
[00:44] <BUGabundo> poki pokes
[00:44] <BUGabundo> miss you dude
[00:44] <BUGabundo> what's new?
[00:44] <cwillu> jordi1983, dunno, the first line of that link seems pretty direct and to the point :p
[00:44]  * cwillu pokes BUGabundo with a stick
[00:45]  * BUGabundo feels so much better
[00:48] <jordi1983> there it explains how to build and install the files but I'd like somebody to do the packaging in a PPA I don't know how to do it, I think there is a lot of dependencies and things you need to know to package a video driver in the right way
[00:49] <jordi1983> you know DRM, DRI and so on...
[00:49] <cwillu> sorry, back and forth between channels :p
[00:50] <jordi1983> yep, sorry
[00:50] <jordi1983> maybe it would be better to discuss this on #ubuntu-x
[00:51] <cwillu> more likely to get useful answers there :p
[00:51] <jordi1983> ok
[01:19] <mikeh789> BUGabundo, if a driver is blacklisted, will the device still show up in lspci??
[01:19] <BUGabundo> should
[01:19] <BUGabundo> don't know
[01:19] <BUGabundo> no it won't
[01:19] <BUGabundo> :))
[01:19] <mikeh789> yeah, i thought it was a good question
[01:19] <BUGabundo> mikeh789: I'm not sure
[01:20] <BUGabundo> I guess it depends on HW
[01:20] <BUGabundo> and how kernel supports it
[01:29] <owner> hey bug
[01:31] <BUGabundo> hey ow
[01:32] <owner> mikeah789 was helping with myh wireless problem
[01:32] <owner> refered me to you
[01:32] <owner> my wireless is not showing up in my devicexs
[01:32] <owner> it works when i boot to windows,  but it stoped working this morning  for some reason, it worked after the install
[01:33] <BUGabundo> owner: on karmic?
[01:33] <owner> ubuntu
[01:34] <owner> 9.04
[01:37] <BUGabundo> owner: support for stable versions is on #ubuntu
[01:37] <BUGabundo> this channel is for karmic 9.10 support and discussion
[01:38] <mikeh789> I thought you were using 9.10??
[01:40] <BUGabundo> I am
[01:41] <BUGabundo> mikeh789: ^^
[01:43] <owner> uhh ok
[01:46] <owner> so i shouldnt be here then?
[01:47] <BUGabundo> owner: you are free to be here
[01:47] <BUGabundo> just that this is not the place to discuss that
[01:48] <owner> wana pm me?
[01:48] <BUGabundo> not really
[01:49] <BUGabundo> its 2am here
[01:49] <BUGabundo> can't keep my eyes open for long
[01:49] <owner> kk
[01:49] <BUGabundo> ;)
[01:49] <BUGabundo> plus I can't provide all that good support
[01:49] <BUGabundo> I bet #ubuntu and www.ubuntuforuns.com will help you more
[01:51] <mikeh789> BUGabundo, thanks for your help, misunderstood owner and sent him over
[01:51] <BUGabundo> mikeh789: no prob, really
[01:51] <BUGabundo> keep doing a great job
[02:59] <poseidon> hey guys, just installed alpha 1.  It's the first version to work (well) with my wireless driver. :)
[02:59] <poseidon> When I installed gnome did not fit the size of my main monitor (I have two plugged in).  After I installed the nvidia proprietary driver and rebooted monitors began to work fine.
[03:00] <poseidon> I'm impressed with the hardware support
[03:10] <yoasif> hey all -- anyone want to help me with a broken package?
[03:42] <poseidon> Is gnash worth giving another shot, or should I just go with non free?
[05:22] <FLjohn> Good afternoon
[05:35] <telexicon> so, the wav files used by pidgin are corrupted or something
[05:44] <RichardWolfVI> Greetings, I updated the Intel driver and it seems to switch to low graphics mode; compiz doesn't work, and my monitor falls back to 1024x768, from its nativa 1440x900
[05:49] <crdlb> RichardWolfVI: anything interesting in /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old ? In particular, is it using the intel driver and failing visibly?
[05:57] <DanaG> is UDS on now?  I haven't been keeping up[ with things.
[05:57] <thiebaude> !uds
[05:58] <thiebaude> hi DanaG
[06:00] <DanaG> ah.
[06:31] <RichardWolfVI> crdlb: Pardon the HUGE dalay, is it normal that in the logs you get repetitive printing of VESA and monitor modes?
[06:37] <RichardWolfVI> crdlb: I downgraded to the 2.4 driver, it seems the latest update to 2.7 seems to fallback to VESA.
[06:43] <RichardWolfVI> crdlb: It's falling back to VESA
[06:44] <crdlb> RichardWolfVI: well, I was hoping to catch the actual error
[06:44] <RichardWolfVI> (WW) VESA(0): Unable to estimate virtual size
[06:44] <crdlb> which I why I said to look in .old, but that doesn't always work
[06:46] <RichardWolfVI> crdlb: What do you recommend?
[06:46] <RichardWolfVI> Should I report the issue?
[06:53] <RichardWolfVI> OK, the bug was confirmed already.
[08:30] <Hew> Hooray, upgrading to Karmic alpha 1 worked!
[08:38] <tgpraveen> Hew: do you notice anything different from jaunty
[08:38] <tgpraveen> ?
[08:38] <tgpraveen> any changes except newer version  of packages in karmic right now?
[08:39] <Hew> tgpraveen: Nothing immediately apparent other than karmic in my sources.list :P
[08:39] <Hew> tgpraveen: but I've only been using it for 10 min, I'm still working my way through synaptic
[08:39] <tgpraveen> k.anybody else any changes?
[08:40] <Hew> tgpraveen: What changes are you looking for? Visual changes aren't likely to be around for a while. New package versions are the main thing.
[08:40] <tgpraveen> any changes implemented in notify-osd
[08:41] <tgpraveen> did the support for media keys in notifyosd get implemented
[08:41] <Hew> tgpraveen: UDS hasn't even happened yet, it's very early days in terms of new features and release goals
[08:41] <tgpraveen> hmmm..yeah I guess so
[08:41] <Hew> at this stage it's Debian syncs to get excited about :)
[08:42] <tgpraveen> but I think I saw a screenshot somewhere with that so was asking
[08:42] <Hew> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/notify-osd
[08:42] <tgpraveen> you knw by the time uds takes place and completes its nearly time for alpha 2 release and I think feature freeze is at alpha 5 or 6 something
[08:43] <Hew> no change between Jaunty and Karmic
[08:43] <tgpraveen> so new features really have less time
[08:44] <Hew> my experience is the Ubuntu/Canonical developed features seem to appear a few days before FeatureFreeze
[08:44] <Hew> but for new major releases of software, yes that just follows the release schedule
[08:45] <Hew> there's nothing stopping developers from introducing new features now
[08:45] <Hew> new package versions = new features
[08:48] <RichardWolfVI> Hmm, a small blunder on bug 379504, just messed up all i915 based chipsed.
[08:50] <tgpraveen> 332562
[09:37] <lazermouse> hi
[09:37] <lazermouse> where can I suggest features for Karmic?
[10:19] <lazermouse> anyone?
[10:19] <bazhang> !brainstorm
[10:20] <lazermouse> thanks bazhang
[10:20] <bazhang> probably a tad bit too late for Karmic though
[10:20] <lazermouse> ah, i bet you that Brainstorm is built on drupal
[13:01] <speedhawk> hello guys
[13:01] <speedhawk> i have a big problem since 8.10
[13:01] <kklimonda> for support try #ubuntu channel
[13:01] <speedhawk> when i try to restart or shutdown the notebook. the screen is over white backslahs and freeze
[13:01] <kklimonda> (unless you are using 9.10 now)
[13:01] <speedhawk> i use 9.10
[13:02] <kklimonda> speedhawk: But if this problem happen on 8.10 and 9.04 than there is little chance that we can help you any more
[13:02] <kklimonda> speedhawk: have you reported bug?
[13:02] <speedhawk> kklimonda: no
[13:03] <speedhawk> but i post a thread to ubuntuusers.de and asked in ubuntu-de but no one have a idea.
[13:04] <kklimonda> speedhawk: Reporting the bug on LP would make it easier for developers to notice it.
[13:04] <speedhawk> ok
[13:05] <speedhawk> first i install the new updates 'cos there are some X updates. and when the problem stands. i ask in #ubuntu and report a bug
[13:11] <speedhawk> is there any chance to see the output from the shutdown?
[13:12] <speedhawk> because i think the bootsplash is my problem
[14:03] <BluesKaj> G'Day all
[14:07] <rski> hello some
[14:07] <Mois> i must say. the alpha runs stable. anyone else who think so?
[14:10] <BluesKaj> so far so good , Mois
[14:11] <Mois> but the temperature is very high. i move 2000data ( 30GB ) and my Cpu is 80°
[14:12] <BluesKaj> laptop ?
[14:12] <Mois> yes
[14:13] <BluesKaj> Mois, maybe choose a lower graphics/power performance setting
[14:13] <Mois> ok.
[14:14] <Mois> irqbalance right?
[14:14] <BluesKaj> try the balance yes
[14:17] <ricochet> hey guys i need some serious help.. i have an SD card in my Dell mini that has a bunch of my videos from a trip i am currently on in South East Asia.. well today i opened up my SD card and all of the files have a bunch of ASCII symbols and locks on the icons.. i cant do anything with it either
[14:21] <rski> if you can't do anything with it i guess you can sell it to someone
[14:21] <rski> so it's not enterily useless
[14:23] <ricochet> hahaha how helpful
[14:23] <geirha> When will translations for karmic be available for editing in rosetta?
[14:24] <BUGabundo1> genii: no idea!
[14:24] <rski> ricochet: you aren't being any helpfull either
[14:24] <rski> "can't do anything with it"
[14:24] <BUGabundo1> hey rski
[14:24] <rski> is useless info
[14:24] <rski> be more specific
[14:24] <rski> hey buga
[14:27] <rski> god riddance
[14:28] <BUGabundo1> rski: I know not every user is helpful
[14:28] <BUGabundo1> but try to help them any way...
[14:28] <BUGabundo1> CoC ok?
[14:29] <rski> BUGabundo1: why is he using karmic on a vacation?
[14:29] <rski> i doubt he even was
[14:29] <BUGabundo1> eheh
[14:29] <BUGabundo1> yeah
[14:29] <rski> i _TRIED_ to help him
[14:29] <rski> but he made it difficult
[14:29] <BUGabundo> I don't know
[14:29] <BUGabundo> I didn't catch up
[14:29] <BUGabundo> I just saw
[14:30] <BUGabundo> (02:27:51 PM) rski: god riddance
[14:30] <BUGabundo> I got me a bit shocked... nothing too much
[14:30] <BUGabundo> I had it happening to me too
[14:30] <BUGabundo> hey BluesKaj
[14:30] <BluesKaj> mouse & KB froze for the 1st time
[14:30] <BluesKaj> hi BUGabundo
[14:31] <BluesKaj> even the ctrl+alt+Esc didn't work
[14:31] <BluesKaj> of course
[14:31] <BUGabundo> what is it supposed to do?
[14:32] <rski> close X
[14:32] <BluesKaj> it opens a small kill icon
[14:32] <BluesKaj> looks like askull
[14:33] <BluesKaj> of course it wouldn't worlk cuz X froze
[14:34] <BUGabundo> doest?
[14:34] <BUGabundo> not here!
[14:34] <BluesKaj> I used the recovery version when booting back into karmic
[14:35] <BUGabundo> when I get a freeze I always check my disks
[14:35] <BUGabundo> just in case...
[14:35] <BluesKaj> heh , just tried ctrl+alt+Esc , clicked on the desktop now it's black
[14:35] <BUGabundo> damn
[14:35] <BUGabundo> I can't do it
[14:36] <BUGabundo> let me try it on another app
[14:36] <BUGabundo> nothing
[14:36] <BluesKaj> hmm , kde or gnome?
[14:37] <BUGabundo> gnome
[14:38]  * BUGabundo thinks we all should have a tag on our head like "I are Babuine", telling all our specs!
[14:38] <BluesKaj> BRB
[14:45] <BluesKaj> not fooling with that cmnd again unless absolutely necessary
[14:47]  * BluesKaj checks out 'cranky geeks' latest episode
[15:24] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: does this make any sense to you http://hellotxt.com/l/U6cxVo
[15:24] <BUGabundo> ?
[15:24] <BUGabundo> trying to connect my GPS and kernel just fails to mount it
[15:25] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: heh, microbloggin isn't the way of pasting debug logs ;)
[15:25] <kklimonda> no, it doesn't
[15:25] <BUGabundo> damn
[15:25] <kklimonda> ok, bbl
[15:25] <BUGabundo> not sure if it is because of
[15:25] <BUGabundo> MSFT wince or kernel bug
[15:27] <BUGabundo> anybody else?
[15:27] <BUGabundo> BluesKaj: ?
[15:31] <BluesKaj> BUGabundo, no idea... I have a gps system but haven't tried it on any OS yet ...it's just gathering dust :)
[15:33] <BUGabundo> BluesKaj: but no idea from the error log?
[15:34] <BluesKaj> driver probs , maybe ?
[15:34] <BUGabundo> USB driver?
[15:35] <BluesKaj> dunno , could be
[15:36] <BluesKaj> NDRIVE GPS usb driver for linux
[17:00] <mdlueck> I just installed my first Ubuntu 9.04 server edition. What is suppose to replace dselect?
[17:01] <BUGabundo> mdlueck: support for stable versions is on #ubuntu or you could try #ubuntu-server
[17:01] <BUGabundo> #ubuntu+1 is for karmic 9.10 support and discussion
[17:01] <mdlueck> I just realized that my bookmark was to the incorrect group. Thanks for the pointer
[17:07] <BUGabundo> no prob mdlueck
[17:07] <BUGabundo> didn't you find the # to quiet to be #ubuntu ?
[17:07] <BUGabundo> :))
[17:33] <Mois> hello
[17:34] <Mois> i have an soundproblem. i've installed 9.10 today and the welcome sound is okay. but rhythmbox dont'. what should i do? alsamixer is everything of full.
[17:34] <Mois> and nothing is mute
[17:41] <BUGabundo> Mois: any sound at all?
[17:41] <BUGabundo> or is it just RB not working?
[17:41] <Mois> RB
[17:43] <BUGabundo> it could be broken on karmic
[17:44] <Mois> yes
[17:45] <Mois> might
[17:47] <Mois> what should i do?
[17:48] <Twigathy> Someone just linked me to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/DeviceKit -- the GUI for disks and SMART there is really nice. When can we see this in ubuntu? :O
[17:49] <BUGabundo> Mois: you could file a bug. but it may take a week (until UDS ends) for it to get any real attention
[17:49] <rski> Twigathy: devicekit is already in so i guess soon maybe?
[17:49] <BUGabundo> Mois: run on a cli: $ ubuntu-bug rhythmbox
[17:49] <Twigathy> rski: oooo, shiny =)
[17:49] <BUGabundo> and describe your problem
[17:50] <Mois> yes
[17:56] <Mois> BUGabundo: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rhythmbox/+bug/379779 voilla
[17:56] <BUGabundo> ok Mois. great work
[17:56] <Mois> thanks.
[17:57] <BUGabundo> one more thing
[17:57] <Mois> yes
[17:57] <BUGabundo> Mois: add also audio info
[17:57] <Mois> which?
[17:57] <BUGabundo> $ ubuntu-bug -p alsa-base 379779
[17:58] <BUGabundo> "just in case"
[17:58] <Mois> ok
[17:58] <BUGabundo> humm
[17:58] <BUGabundo> Mois: your system is not UPTODATE
[17:58] <BUGabundo> RM is v 0.12.0-0ubuntu4
[17:59] <BUGabundo> and you have 0.12.1-0ubuntu1
[17:59] <BUGabundo> please open Update-manager and update
[17:59] <Mois> my system is UPTODATE!
[18:00] <Mois> only findutils is not uptopdate
[18:01] <BUGabundo> Mois: I'm sorry but it seems not to be
[18:01] <BUGabundo> you have an old version of RB
[18:01] <Mois> hm.
[18:01] <Mois> i take a look
[18:02] <Mois> no my system is 100% uptopdate
[18:02] <BUGabundo> Mois: pastebin : $ apt-cache policy rhythmbox
[18:03] <Mois> http://pastebin.com/m3387072f
[18:04] <BUGabundo> your mirror seems to be lagging behing
[18:04] <BUGabundo> *behind
[18:04] <Mois> german mirrors
[18:04] <BUGabundo> can you please temporarily change to another or, or even MAIN ?
[18:16] <Mois> ja
[18:17] <BUGabundo> Mois: fixed?
[18:17] <Mois> no
[19:21] <RichardWolfVI> hey
[19:21] <BUGabundo> RichardWolfVI: hi
[19:22] <RichardWolfVI> seems they removed a patch that caused the VESA fallback
[19:33] <kevix> sorry to bother folks, but I have an upgrade issue that is not something that the usual #ubuntu folks will catch. I upgraded to Intrepid. shortly after I rebooted, 'overflow' was created for /tmp. the root fs is not full but some FS error? is reporting it as 100%. I have had this specific error when I upgrade to a new stable release before.
[19:35] <kevix> rm'ing files on the root fs does not create space.
[19:35] <BUGabundo> humm
[19:35] <BUGabundo> aren't there a few virtual mount points ?
[19:35] <BUGabundo> maybe those are the ones you are seeing ?
[19:36] <kevix> when the system boots up it see that the root fs is reporting 100% and uses a routine in /etc/init.d/ to create an 'emergency' /tmp
[19:37] <kevix> so its not the regular file systems
[19:37] <kevix> or the expected ones for the kernel
[19:38] <albert23> kevix: Is your disk more then 95% full? The last 5% is reserved for root.
[19:39] <kevix> the issue is that if I remove files from / (root) it does not fix the issue as I had more than 700mb free before this error started
[19:41] <albert23> how large is the total fs?
[19:42] <kevix> albert23: I think it was 20gb unformatted. but the size of the FS or the actual space left are not the issue.
[19:43] <albert23> kevix: 5% of 20GB is 1 GB reserved for user root. You will see space coming available if more then 1GB is free
[19:43] <geser> inodes are also still available?
[19:43] <kevix> geser: I checked the inodes. many thousands left
[19:45] <kevix> albert23: my system was working fine (with 600mb free) a few reboots ago. so the issue happened after 'something' upgrade
[19:49] <kevix> i tried using an older kernel, I tried modifing the fstype from ext3 to ext2 and back to ext3. no change.
[20:35] <kn100> hi, i just upgraded to 9.10, and i have to say, it feels a little faster, but other than that, whats the plan with hoary?
[20:36] <Tekno> hoary ????
[20:36] <rski> hoary?
[20:36] <Tekno> hoary was released on April 8, 2005.
[20:36] <kn100> lol my mistake
[20:37] <kn100> karmic
[20:37] <kn100> gimme a break lol, very tired
[20:37] <rski> new shades of brown
[20:37] <rski> newer kernel X drivers packagess, the usual stuff
[20:37] <kn100> rski oh noez more brown?
[20:37]  * BUGabundo hears an echo
[20:38] <BUGabundo> horay ?
[20:38] <RichardWolfVI> HAHA
[20:38] <kn100> the first thing i do when i reinstall ubuntu is get rid of the brown
[20:38] <BUGabundo> it was supposed to get a new theme
[20:38] <BUGabundo> but according to Mark the desing team is still incomplete
[20:38] <RichardWolfVI> Yeah, my theme is Black/light grey
[20:38] <kn100> i just use dusk
[20:38] <BUGabundo> so only 10.04 will have new theme
[20:39] <kn100> what? 12 months for a new theme?
[20:39] <RichardWolfVI> one important thing is the opsible replacement of Usplash
[20:39] <kn100> yeah
[20:39] <BUGabundo> here is mine http://fileland.bugabundo.net/fotos/Linux/Desktop
[20:39] <kn100> changing the way it chainboots as well isnt it?
[20:39] <RichardWolfVI> They might be switching to Plymouth
[20:40] <kn100> thats the one
[20:40] <kn100> how is that better than the current one? is it speed
[20:40] <rski> also they uploaded devicekit
[20:41] <RichardWolfVI> Well, it uses actual graphic acceleration
[20:41] <RichardWolfVI> it's more of a visual thing
[20:41] <kn100> cool
[20:41] <kn100> http://i40.tinypic.com/2lx4wg.png
[20:41] <RichardWolfVI> if you have seen Fedora 10's splash
[20:41] <kn100> thats my desktop at the moment http://i40.tinypic.com/2lx4wg.png
[20:41] <RichardWolfVI> pretty
[20:41] <kn100> no thats my wallpaper.... the screenshot didnt work...
[20:42] <BUGabundo> eheh
[20:42] <kn100> that was wierd
[20:42] <kn100> lol
[20:42] <kn100> this is my desktop http://i44.tinypic.com/20peqdu.png
[20:44] <kn100> what do you guys think?
[20:45] <RichardWolfVI> it's nice
[20:46] <kn100> thanks, back on topic now :p
[20:46] <RichardWolfVI> hmm, I want to use a nice dock
[20:46] <kn100> that dock is Avant (awn)
[20:46] <RichardWolfVI> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBheUFaRnr8
[20:46] <RichardWolfVI> this is Plymouth on Fedora 10
[20:47] <BUGabundo> kn100: GnomeDO or AWM ?
[20:47] <kn100> i was just going to youtube that :p
[20:47] <kn100> AWM sorry
[20:47] <kn100> its in add/remove, just type in avant
[20:48] <BUGabundo> I love DO
[20:48] <BUGabundo> no need for AWN
[20:49] <kn100> AWN is just easy
[20:49] <kn100> i also use adesklets
[20:49] <kn100> and plymouth looks awesome
[20:49] <kn100> i just wish ubuntu wasnt so 'brown;
[20:53] <RichardWolfVI> Heh, it blends well with the brown Zune
[20:55] <kn100> that... is irony
[20:57] <kn100> one thing 9.10 has broken though, is wine sound
[20:57] <RichardWolfVI> Nah, the brownest Ubuntu was Gutsy ;P
[20:57] <kn100> spotify (a music program that runs in wine fine in 9.04) plays sound really jerkily in wine
[20:58] <BUGabundo> kn100: I have *no* sound, not just wine
[20:58] <kn100> hahahah, i consider myself well off then :p
[20:59] <kn100> but i guarentee you'd prefer your pc over mine
[20:59] <kn100> it doesnt have a case
[20:59] <kn100> its just a pile of parts on my table
[20:59] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: that's why I dong use KK on my only computer ;)
[21:00] <RichardWolfVI> I have sound on Wine
[21:00] <RichardWolfVI> using ALSA
[21:00] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: not my only PC eheh
[21:00] <BUGabundo> and I have JJ cds at hand
[21:00] <kklimonda> :)
[21:01] <kn100> wine has sound, but it plays really jerkily, which it never used to on 9.04 or 8.10 or 8.04lts
[21:01] <kn100> its like its pauseplaypauseplaypauseplay (about a quarter of a second delay)
[21:02] <Mois> have anyone an idea why the pypanel installation fail? http://pastebin.com/m494321c9
[21:02] <Mois> have imlib2 installed
[21:02] <kklimonda> Mois: #
[21:02] <kklimonda> ppmodule.c:37:25: error: X11/Xft/Xft.h: No such file or directory
[21:03] <kklimonda> $ dpkg -S X11/Xft/Xft.h
[21:03] <kklimonda> libxft-dev: /usr/include/X11/Xft/Xft.h
[21:03] <Mois> dpkg -S X11/Xft/Xft.h //
[21:03] <Mois> dpkg: *X11/Xft/Xft.h* nicht gefunden.
[21:04] <Mois> what should i do?
[21:04] <kklimonda> install libxft-dev
[21:04] <Mois> ok
[21:05] <Mois> thanks kklimonda
[21:14] <kn100> man this sound problem is doing my head in
[21:47] <Mois> hello
[21:48] <kn100> hello mois
[21:48] <Mois> i have another problem. i try to install wbar. i downloaded the source and untar it. change the directory in it. and "make" but this error come "http://pastebin.com/m6ecdaebd"
[21:48] <BUGabundo> Mois: hello yet again
[21:48] <Mois> :D
[21:49] <BUGabundo> Mois: isn't it on the repos?
[21:49] <Mois> no not in karmic
[21:49] <kn100> your on karmic too?
[21:49] <Mois> yes
[21:49] <BUGabundo> it was dropped?
[21:49] <BUGabundo>  !info wbar
[21:50] <BUGabundo>  !info wbar jaunty
[21:50] <Mois> lol
[21:50] <BUGabundo>  !info wbar edgy
[21:50] <BUGabundo>  !info wbar dapper
[21:50] <Mois> !info wbar hardy
[21:50] <BUGabundo> lol
[21:50] <Mois> :D
[21:50] <BUGabundo> it was *never * on archive I guess
[21:51] <BUGabundo>  !whatis wbar
[21:51] <Mois> lol
[21:51] <Mois> ubottu: you are silly :D:D
[21:51] <Mois> :D:D
[21:51] <rski> latest release of wbar was in spe 2007
[21:51] <rski> probably not updated to work with gcc 4.x series
[21:52] <Mois> hää
[21:52] <Mois> so tell me what is this at this picture http://ubuntu-pics.de/bild/14877/relax1_Q47480.png
[21:52] <Mois> the right in the air and the panel
[21:52] <rski> ram cpu usage to the right
[21:53] <rski> awn with some programs running in the bottom?
[21:53] <Mois> yes i saw :D
[21:54] <Mois> ok thanks.
[22:11] <Mois> so. i have another problem with mpd i've installed it. and editited the config but when i want to start-create-db it shows me "mkdir: kann Verzeichnis „~/.mpd“ nicht anlegen: No such file or directory
[22:11] <Mois> chown: Zugriff auf „~/.mpd“ nicht möglich: No such file or directory
[22:11] <Mois> " this is my config "http://pastebin.com/mcbb54b7"
[22:12] <Mois> than it stands on *creating ~/.mpd/tag_cache...
[22:13] <Mois> and it comes "failed to stat playlist directory "/home/raw/.mpd/playlists" (config line 9): No such file or directory"
[22:13] <Mois> and when i make the directory it comes "unable to bind port 6600: Address already in use
[22:13] <Mois> maybe MPD is still running?
[22:13] <Mois> Trace/breakpoint trap
[22:13] <Mois> "
[22:14] <Mois> very mysterios
[22:14] <Mois> anyone some idea?
[22:34] <Mois> !info zsi
[22:34] <Mois> !info zsi jaunty
[22:34] <BUGabundo> Mois: don't abuse the bot. use packages.ubuntu.com or packages.debian.org
[22:35] <Mois> ok
[22:35] <Mois> sorry
[22:35] <kn100> bots have feelings too you know
[22:37] <Mois> yes. i forgot
[22:37] <kn100> say sorry to the bot mois
[22:38] <kn100> :p
[22:38] <Mois> ok
[22:38] <Mois> ubottu: I'm totally sorry.
[22:38] <kn100> :)
[22:38] <Mois> :)
[22:38] <Mois> :D
[22:40] <calc> hi
[22:41] <calc> my internet connection is so lsow i can't even see what i am typing
[22:43] <BUGabundo> hey calc
[22:44] <BUGabundo> calc: screen?
[22:44] <calc> BUGabundo: yea
[22:44] <calc> BUGabundo: ssh from hotel rey juan carlos back to houston, i think i am getting about 1.5KB/s
[22:45] <calc> UDS starts on monday :)
[22:45] <calc> this is really painful
[22:45] <BUGabundo> eheh
[22:45] <calc> i'm trying to do a new OOo build over screen
[22:45] <BUGabundo> let me flood you a bit more then
[22:45] <BUGabundo> ahahaaha
[22:45] <calc> :P
[22:46] <BUGabundo> that will result in BAD BAD experience
[22:46] <BUGabundo> I bet
[22:46] <calc> it reminds me of running linux on a  mac quadra 840av
[22:46] <BUGabundo> so what are you working now, besides the 20% OOo?
[22:46] <calc> oem team
[22:47] <BUGabundo> I've read
[22:47] <BUGabundo> still have mail catch up
[22:47] <calc> i'm pretty sure thats the full extent of what i can say about that :)
[22:47] <BUGabundo> what do you do there?
[22:48] <calc> work with oem projects like getting ubuntu onto vendors hardware
[22:48] <RichardWolfVI> Awesome :3
[22:48] <RichardWolfVI> Hmm, Dells are not shipping with Ubuntu anymore here :/
[22:49] <calc> RichardWolfVI: which country?
[22:49] <RichardWolfVI> Colombia
[22:49] <BUGabundo> calc: I blame all those gadjets gives you guys got, for spamming the Internet connection eheh
[22:49] <calc> BUGabundo: actually that probably is the reason
[22:50] <calc> BUGabundo: the previous hotel internet got really slow after we got the toys
[22:50] <calc> and this hotel's internet seems even slower
[22:51] <calc> its pretty cool toy btw, i played with it a bit last night
[22:51] <BUGabundo> ehehe
[22:51] <BUGabundo> its a virus!
[22:51] <BUGabundo> kills internet, the world is doomed
[22:52] <calc> RichardWolfVI: i think they still sell them in the US (at least afaik) but they are kinda hidden on the website
[22:52] <BUGabundo> Cybernet (Terminator reference) has begun
[22:52] <calc> BUGabundo: i think part of the problem is they needed to all download OS update which was probably big
[22:52] <BUGabundo> eheh
[22:52] <BUGabundo> Cloud sucks right?
[22:52] <calc> cloud?
[22:53] <BUGabundo> you guys need a mirror or P2P updates
[22:53] <BUGabundo> calc: yah cloud updates eeheehehe
[22:53] <BUGabundo> everything is now in the "cloud" lol
[22:53] <calc> hehe
[22:53] <kn100> thats a good idea
[22:53] <kn100> release updates over bittorrent
[22:53] <BUGabundo> calc: nvm.... U1 stupid joke
[22:53] <kn100> less strain on the server
[22:53] <calc> ah i see what you mean now
[22:53] <calc> well the little chumby's don't run bittorrent
[22:54] <BUGabundo> kn100: I didn't manage to get it working for Karmic
[22:54] <kn100> get what working
[22:55] <BUGabundo> kn100: bt updates
[22:55] <kn100> i dont use bittorrent updates
[22:55] <kn100> im just saying its a good idea
[22:55] <BUGabundo> you just said "it" should be used
[22:55] <BUGabundo> lol
[22:55] <kn100> :p
[22:56] <BUGabundo> you should do what you think should be done
[22:56] <BUGabundo> or have you no morals?
[22:56] <BUGabundo> :p
[22:56] <kn100> LOL!
[22:56] <RichardWolfVI> There shoulfd be a P2P implementation for updates, what ever happened to Jigdo?
[22:57] <BUGabundo> there is for bt
[22:57] <BUGabundo> apt-debtorrent
[22:57] <calc> jigdo doesn't really do bt
[22:57] <maxb> Jigdo is not P2P
[22:57] <calc> its just a way to build cds from a archive
[22:57] <RichardWolfVI> well, it's a distributed download system
[22:58] <maxb> No it's not, it's a *partial* download system
[22:58] <RichardWolfVI> not only for CDs
[22:58] <RichardWolfVI> oh
[22:59] <calc> oh? hmm i must have misunderstood what it was for
[22:59] <calc> or it has gotten more featuressince i read about it about 8 years ago
[22:59] <BUGabundo> calc: LOL
[23:00]  * calc < is old
[23:00] <RichardWolfVI> I mean, how is it a "partial" download system?
[23:01] <BUGabundo> calc: yeah you now seem older then I though
[23:02] <calc> BUGabundo: how old is that? :)
[23:02] <BUGabundo> no idea
[23:02] <calc> i mean how old are you
[23:02] <BUGabundo> I always fail those predictions
[23:02] <BUGabundo> so I don't make them
[23:03] <BUGabundo> calc: check my wiki. its there
[23:03] <calc> on wiki.ubuntu.com ?
[23:03] <BUGabundo> yep
[23:04] <poseidon> If we do get a theme update this release, when would we start to see it?
[23:04] <BUGabundo> poseidon: you are coming late to the discussion
[23:04] <kn100> ubuntu needs a theme update urgently
[23:04] <rski> when it's uplaoded to the repos?
[23:04] <rski> kn100: it has one
[23:04] <BUGabundo> we already explain we are not getting a new theme
[23:04] <kn100> yeah the dust one, but its not very good
[23:05] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: we dont? :/
[23:05] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: damn..
[23:05] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: I mention this every week. by now you should know
[23:05] <BUGabundo> Mark said it
[23:05] <BUGabundo> the Design team is not yet complete
[23:06] <kn100> i would love to join
[23:06] <calc> ah yes i am older than you
[23:06] <kn100> i have some experience in gfx
[23:06] <BUGabundo> so only 10.04 is expected to gain a new theme
[23:06] <BUGabundo> calc: eheh who isn't ?
[23:06] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: Somehow I've missed it every time :d
[23:06] <BUGabundo> kn100: apply
[23:06] <BUGabundo> there are opening for job on canonical
[23:07] <BUGabundo> kn100: http://webapps.ubuntu.com/employment/
[23:07] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: that's kinda sad.. I mean New Wave is nice but I'd love to see some major rework in art..
[23:07] <poseidon> BUGabundo, searching the web it seemed like a new theme was the only thing expected out of this release
[23:07] <BUGabundo> calc: question remains: how older?
[23:07] <BUGabundo> poseidon: it _was_ expected but is now delayed
[23:08] <calc> BUGabundo: i'm 32
[23:08] <poseidon> so what should people be told to expect from the new release?
[23:08] <kklimonda> poseidon: We'll know more after UDS probably..
[23:09] <poseidon> Well a new theme would kick of the lts rather nicely
[23:09] <kn100> poseidon you gotta understand theres nobody to make it
[23:09] <kn100> or very little people
[23:09] <BUGabundo> poseidon: only 10.04 OR 10.10 will be LTS
[23:10]  * calc thinks it will proably stick to 10.04
[23:10] <BUGabundo> kn100: are they dwarfs ?!?
[23:10] <BUGabundo> calc: not sure... debian sync and release
[23:10] <BUGabundo> but they tend to not make the shcedule
[23:10] <BUGabundo> so you better go for our
[23:10] <poseidon> Either or, I would like to see a new theme for the lts.
[23:10] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: PVT
[23:11] <kn100> is there a guide to making a new theme
[23:11]  * poseidon is horrible with graphics.  Thats why he always has to get them off the internet for his games
[23:11] <calc> there are other reasons to stick to 10.04 but i think it will be discussed at either this UDS or next (not sure when)
[23:12] <BUGabundo> kn100: #ubuntu-art
[23:12] <BUGabundo> or similar
[23:12] <calc> there definitely is work being done on a new theme but it takes a lot of work so might not make 9.10
[23:12] <calc> not sure if it will be a different color or just work fdifferently though
[23:12] <BUGabundo> well KDE has what? 3 guys on it?
[23:12] <BUGabundo> and Pinheiro does most of it
[23:12] <BUGabundo> and they release every 6 months
[23:13] <BUGabundo> although 4.3 will not have a new theme
[23:13] <calc> all i have seen is a mockup and i can't comment further but it is being worked on for ubuntu
[23:14] <calc> so don't worry the theme will improve when the work is done :)
[23:14]  * BUGabundo calc is full of secrets!
[23:14] <BUGabundo> gotta love all this about community, right?
[23:15]  * BUGabundo hides from flames
[23:15]  * calc avoids the argument :)
[23:16] <poseidon> wow.  Working for conical looks amazing.  Attending ubuntu meetings as a requirement is awesome.
[23:16] <BUGabundo> AllHands
[23:16] <kn100> haha canonical are mad
[23:16] <BUGabundo> and then they get gifts
[23:17] <BUGabundo> ~200 devs
[23:17] <BUGabundo> and now to mix with Community at UDS
[23:17] <BUGabundo> I wish I was there
[23:17] <kn100> canonical are a mad company
[23:17] <BUGabundo> maybe someday you guys come to Portugal
[23:17] <kn100> how they make money by selling support...
[23:17] <calc> bug	nope not 200 devs
[23:17] <BUGabundo> kn100: s/are/is/
[23:17] <kn100> what?
[23:17] <calc> grr i am so slow that tab didn't even complete
[23:18] <BUGabundo> ahaahahahahahahaahahahahahahaa
[23:18] <kn100> lol
[23:18]  * BUGabundo hands calc a cookie