[00:16]  * BUGabundo thinks about abandoning kmail. every dev is either a sleep or busy with other stuff, to help me just check source 
[00:18] <mrooney> BUGabundo: thunderbird doesn't cut it for you?
[00:18] <BUGabundo> nope
[00:18] <BUGabundo> I love kmail its my fab mail client
[00:18] <BUGabundo> but kde4 is to unstable
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[00:23] <yuriy> BUGabundo: keep in mind you are on alpha packages of a beta
[00:23] <BUGabundo> I use gnome too bcurtiswx
[00:23] <BUGabundo> and a bunch of kde apps
[00:23] <bcurtiswx> evolution?
[00:23] <BUGabundo> if anything fails with that integrantion ill file bugs
[00:23] <BUGabundo> evo is a great PIM
[00:23] <BUGabundo> but poor email client
[00:23] <bcurtiswx> haha
[00:23] <BUGabundo> kmail is really good
[00:23] <BUGabundo> believe me
[00:23] <bcurtiswx> what makes one better than the other?
[00:24] <bcurtiswx> it gives me my mail.. and send my mail out
[00:24] <bcurtiswx> what else am i supposed to want?
[00:25] <BUGabundo> ok, mine currently doesn't allow me to send mail out for some folder, some +1 on evo LOL
[00:25] <BUGabundo> bcurtiswx: it's the experience I guess
[00:26] <bcurtiswx> can't disagree i guess
[06:18] <kwall> moin
[06:20] <kwall> Is there a package against which Ubuntu web site bugs can be filed? See, for example,  bug  377667.
[06:20] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 377667 in ubuntu "Ubuntu sites need multiple registrations" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/377667
[06:40] <pperera> can anyone point me in the right direction for troubleshooting system speaker 'beeps'
[06:41] <kwall> pperera: what's the trouble, exactly?
[06:43] <pperera> was just doing some coding on my laptop and for some reason on a periodic basis the speakers sounding out 3 tones
[06:43] <pperera> trying to find some troubleshooting documentation that might describe what they mean
[06:43] <kwall> battery going dead?
[06:44] <pperera> currently on AC
[06:44] <pperera> and battery is 100%
[06:45] <kwall> ionic bombardment is my stock explanation for non-deterministic behavior ;)
[06:45] <kwall> Is the periodicity regular?
[06:47] <pperera> yea ~ 25sec
[06:48] <pperera> from the end of the 3rd tone to the start of the 1st in the next period
[06:55] <kwall> Is the pcspkr module loaded and if so does it stop if you unload it?
[07:00] <pperera> no unloading it doesnt help
[07:00] <kwall> Suck. Nothing useful in the system log, I presume?
[07:04] <pperera> nothing that i can determine
[07:05] <jmarsden> pperera: Some systems beep when they are overheating... did your CPU fan just fail??
[07:09] <YoBoY> hi
[07:09] <kwall> moin YoBoY
[07:09] <pperera> no fan is still spinning
[07:11] <kwall> pperera: (SWAG) maybe bug 279187?
[07:11] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 279187 in usplash "regression: usplash causes system to beep aloud" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/279187
[07:11] <kwall> I'm just poking through Launchpad to see if other folks have reported similar probs
[07:12] <pperera> yea same
[07:14] <jmarsden> pperera: You could also try booting from a LiveCD and see if it still beeps... might determine if this is a software config issue or something lower level doing the beeping?
[07:14] <YoBoY> it's caused by the nvidia driver?
[07:17] <kwall> I'm sticking with my original diagnosis. Ionic bombardment.
[07:18] <YoBoY> kwall: have you found the ubuntu website project on LP ?
[07:19] <kwall> YoBoY: not yet
[07:19] <YoBoY> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-website
[07:19] <YoBoY> perhaps...
[07:19] <kwall> Wow, I'm blind.
[07:19] <YoBoY> sure :)
[07:27] <kwall> YoBoY: thanks
[07:27] <YoBoY> you're welcome :)
[07:28] <kwall> Just a metric buttload of bugs in LP.
[07:44] <pperera> weird the beeping stopped
[10:22] <askand> Can someone "read" backtraces and understand what happens here? http://pastebin.com/m372f5108
[10:26] <kklimonda> askand: can you reproduce it?
[10:27] <kklimonda> well, you probably can if you are running it under gdb
[10:27] <askand> kklimonda: yep
[10:27] <askand> kklimonda: well, it happens "randomly" so it is not really reproduce I guess
[10:28] <kklimonda> heh..
[10:30] <kklimonda> askand: what version?
[10:31] <askand> kklimonda: 1.61-0ubuntu0~jaunty0 e.g the one from transmission PPA
[10:31] <kklimonda> askand: also before you run it gdb set it:
[10:31] <kklimonda> handle SIGPIPE nostop noprint nopass
[10:31] <kklimonda> transmission ppa?
[10:32] <kklimonda> do you have a link?
[10:32] <askand> kklimonda: ok before I type "run"?
[10:32] <kklimonda> yes
[10:33] <askand> kklimonda: deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/transmissionbt/ubuntu <ubuntu_release_name> main
[10:33] <askand> kklimonda: I downloaded deluge in the meantime but I will try  handle SIGPIPE nostop noprint nopass later
[10:36] <kklimonda> askand: Also, Could you use transmission from this ppa: https://edge.launchpad.net/~kklimonda/+archive/ppa ?
[10:36] <kklimonda> askand: I'm working on merge of 1.61 to KK so testing it would be great.
[10:37] <askand> kklimonda: ok I will use that instead
[10:43] <askand> kklimonda: aptitude segfaults for me, that isn't very nice
[10:44] <kklimonda> askand: well, it isn't :)
[10:44] <askand> kklimonda: apt-get aswell '
[10:44] <askand> hm
[10:45] <kklimonda> askand: after you added my ppa? nice :)
[10:46] <askand> kklimonda: yes, some kind of ubuntuvirus ;) I solved it by removing pkgcache.bin and srcpkgcache.bin so I will install transmission from your ppa now
[10:51] <askand> kklimonda: its working fine so far, will have it running for a while to see if it's still there when I'm back
[10:51] <kklimonda> askand: If you have a crash send me an email (kklimonda(at)syntaxhighlighted.com) or catch me here.
[13:24] <askand1> kklimonda: After installing transmission from your PPA it didn't crash (I think) but it did freeze and became unresponsivie. I had to kill it. After I added your PPA, I can not install transmission-dbg
[13:29] <kklimonda> askand1: When did it freeze? I guess I'll have to add -dbg package, it wasn't created by debian maintainer..
[13:29] <askand1> kklimonda: while I was away, I'm not sure when
[13:30] <kklimonda> Oh, so it froze by itself without your interaction? Weird..
[13:34] <askand1> kklimonda: Yes, but I think it was checking a big file (10gb) when it happened
[13:34] <askand1> checking it as in it had downloaded some of it and checked how much it had downloaded
[13:36] <kklimonda> askand1: heh, It doesn't sound like it was my fault.. I'll prepare -dbg package later.
[13:37] <askand1> kklimonda: no don't think so, the version I used earlier from the transmission PPA would have crashed if it was open for so long and that has not happened
[14:45] <kklimonda> askand1: I've sent an updated package to PPA, It's building right now.
[14:46] <kklimonda> askand1: There is new package - transmission-gtk-dbg which has all debug symbols ;)
[14:48] <BUGabundo> hey kklimonda askand1
[14:48] <kklimonda> hey
[14:52] <kklimonda> oh, ppa will support dbgsym automatic build "soon" ;)
[14:54] <BUGabundo> YAY
[15:20] <askand1> hey thanks kklimonda will try it
[18:12] <william> hello buygs
[18:12] <BUGabundo> hello will
[18:31] <kklimonda> is dtchen around?
[18:32] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: nope
[18:32] <BUGabundo> hasn't been "in" for 3 days
[18:32] <BUGabundo> if you see him let me know
[18:32] <BUGabundo> no audio around here
[18:32] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: He went to UDS? :)
[18:32] <BUGabundo> can't even get help upstream
[18:32] <BUGabundo> yep
[18:35] <overshard> I have a curious bug with alsa sound that I can reproduce. My USB dac/amp stopped working and now will only work when i sudo alsa force-reload and then play sound while super usered... noting works as normal user.
[18:37] <burtle> my sound only works with browsing and with vlc?
[18:38] <burtle> where is sans?
[18:38] <BUGabundo> overshard: burtle: please redirect your effors to #ubuntu or #ubuntu-audio-help
[18:39] <burtle> oops, I forget that Im not in ther
[18:39] <BUGabundo> hey bcurtiswx-mini you are also on FiOS? is it nice too ?
[18:39] <bcurtiswx-mini> BUGabundo: itw awesome really
[18:39] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: nice, there is #ubuntu-audio-help? I've sent overshard here cause he'd love to report a bug ;)
[18:39] <bcurtiswx-mini> its*
[18:40] <BUGabundo> hello ogasawara
[18:40] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: it won't help! just me there....
[18:41] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: overshard all you can do for now it collect data for a bug, and have the audio team look at it *after* UDS
[18:41] <BUGabundo> overshard: $ ubuntu-bug alsa-base
[18:41] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: yeah, i've hoped that dtchen is alive ;)
[18:41] <BUGabundo> eehe
[18:41] <BUGabundo> knock on wood
[18:41] <bcurtiswx-mini> dan needs a secretary
[18:41] <Ampelbein> bug 379786 . best. ever.
[18:42] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 379786 in gcalctool "Calculator too good. " [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/379786
[18:42] <BUGabundo> dan needs a crwon
[18:42] <BUGabundo> Ampelbein: LOLOLOLOLOL
[18:42] <BUGabundo> bcurtiswx-mini: so how does it handle? how much BW do you have?
[18:43] <bcurtiswx-mini> BUGabundo: 5 down 2 up (really 600KBPS down 256KBPS UP)
[18:44] <BUGabundo> what do you guys think of this https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/synaptic/+bug/80753?
[18:44] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 80753 in synaptic "Synaptic should be able to switch from non-root to root mode without losing state" [Wishlist,Confirmed]
[18:44] <BUGabundo> been debating it all afternoon on identica
[18:44] <BUGabundo> only 5 down??? that's not very good
[18:45] <BUGabundo> wait.... a 2 yo bug and wishlist on synaptic?
[18:45] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: it would be "easy" to implement now that we have a policykit
[18:45] <bcurtiswx-mini> 5MBPS Down / 2MPBS UP isnt bad
[18:45] <BUGabundo> someone get ready to mark it as wontfix
[18:45] <BUGabundo> we will have appcenter for KK
[18:45] <kklimonda> oh?
[18:45] <BUGabundo> you mean mb/s not MiB/s
[18:46] <BUGabundo> I'm on 3G and have 3.6mb/s so (your) FiOS is that lame
[18:46] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: let me get the BP
[18:46] <bcurtiswx-mini> lol
[18:46] <bcurtiswx-mini> i dont have your money
[18:46] <BUGabundo> https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/software-library
[18:47] <BUGabundo> https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-karmic-app-center
[18:47] <BUGabundo> bcurtiswx-mini: I don't pay it!
[18:47] <kklimonda> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AppCenter - is it it?
[18:47] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: maybe all 3
[18:47] <bcurtiswx-mini> lol
[19:22] <BUGabundo> so bcurtiswx-mini am I expected to think that FiOS _can_ be expensive?
[19:22] <BUGabundo> I have no idea what kind of internet connetions the big USoA provides
[19:22] <bcurtiswx-mini> anything with verizon is expensive BUGabundo
[19:23] <BUGabundo> I read last year that a lot of users still use narrow band (<56k)
[19:23] <bcurtiswx-mini> that because nobody can afford anything higher because their jobs don't pay them enough
[19:23] <BUGabundo> how much does that cost you ?
[19:24] <BUGabundo> I know that hggdh has FiOS but with a much higher BW than yours
[19:27] <bcurtiswx-mini> 47.99
[19:27] <bcurtiswx-mini> a month
[19:27] <bcurtiswx-mini> 5down 2 up
[19:29] <kklimonda> I'm paying $35 for 10/1
[19:30] <bcurtiswx-mini> where at?
[19:30] <kklimonda> a middle of nowhere known as Poland ;)
[19:30] <bcurtiswx-mini> haha, maybe ill come live in poland
[19:32] <hggdh> bcurtiswx-mini, my fios goes for about $150 (HDTV, internet, and home phone)
[19:32] <bcurtiswx-mini> mines just internet
[19:32] <bcurtiswx-mini> im renting right now in my life
[19:32] <bcurtiswx-mini> graduate student
[19:32] <BUGabundo> our current best offer is Vodafone with ADSL 24/1 uncap + VOIP + 3G (with 100MiBs per month) for 20€
[19:33] <bcurtiswx-mini> and in american dollars that is?
[19:33] <BUGabundo> lazy dude
[19:33] <hggdh> about $35
[19:33] <BUGabundo> 28US$
[19:33] <BUGabundo> http://www.google.pt/search?q=20+euros+to+dollar&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=com.ubuntu:en-US:unofficial&client=firefox-a
[19:33] <bcurtiswx-mini> haha, i didn't have firefox open
[22:36] <franczena_> Hello
[22:37] <franczena_> Is it possible to downgrade to Intrepid kernel?
[22:37] <franczena_> from Jaunty
[22:44] <BUGabundo> franc... humm went way
[22:44] <BUGabundo> but for the record: downgrades are not supported