[02:35] <fbc-mx> Is there a command to tell the server to search for the closest mirror and use it?
[02:39] <jmarsden> fbc-mx: Not really; the Debian packages which do that have not yet been fully/correctly ported to Ubuntu, as far as I know.
[02:44] <fbc-mx> jmarsden, thanks.. well, I guess it's not mission critical.. just a luxury feature really.
[02:50] <jmarsden> fbc-mx: Yes.  netselect is one of the Debian packages, if you want to keep an eye on it... maybe one of these days I'll get inspired to have a look at porting it :)
[02:53] <fbc-mx> jmarsden, yes, I've used it before on my debian servers. I've just upgrade from etch to lenny and it was very instumental in helping me find a fast mirror.
[02:54] <twb> IME all the good ISPs have their own mirrors anyway :P
[03:09] <jmarsden> twb: Verizon FIOS is pretty good, but I doubt they have a Ubuntu mirror... might be fun to ask them though :)
[03:13] <twb> Why wouldn't they?
[03:14] <jmarsden> All they know about and support is Windows.
[03:14] <twb> Then they are not a good ISP, obviously.
[03:15] <jmarsden> I don't need them to know about Ubuntu, just reliable fast connectivity at a price I can afford...
[03:16] <twb> I bet you don't even expect an ISP to provide a usenet node!
[03:17] <jmarsden> No, I just expect a connection to the Internet, which is what the I stands for :)  If I want email I find an email provider, if I want Usenet I find a provider of that... (or of course I provide those services myself, if I so choose)...
[03:17] <twb> Then they would be an Internet Connection Provider :P
[03:18] <jmarsden> Sure, works for me.  Especially if it lowers the price compared to what an ISP would charge for the same connection :)
[03:19] <jmarsden> I admit it is convenient when your connectivity provider provides DNS servers you can use to resolve names with, but even that is not 100% necessary.
[03:20] <twb> And doesn't, for example, use a transparent caching proxy for HTTP.
[03:20] <twb> And not having to pretend to be using Windows when you call their tech support people.
[03:21] <twb> And actually having the connection be up more often than down, and not massively oversubscribed...
[03:22] <twb> Sure, I'll pay a 20% markup for such stuff.
[03:32] <axisys> how do I make sure only radius auth works and not allow local passwd auth .. here is my /etc/pam.d/sshd http://pastebin.com/f17b84ac7
[03:43] <fbc-mx> jmarsden, BTW do you know if PPPOECONF creates another interface? If so, would it be like a new on eth1 or would it create a virtual one like eth0:1?
[03:44] <jmarsden> fbc-mx: I don't know... I'd guess it creates a ppp0 interface??
[03:45] <fbc-mx> jmarsden, great! thanks..
[04:00] <Rafael_> when i open the command line thru putty i see "You have new mail.
[04:00] <Rafael_> " how can i check this?
[04:06] <Shinu> mail
[04:06] <Shinu> or
[04:06] <Shinu> nano /var/mail/yourloginname
[04:36] <fbc-mx> I have the sound card of my ubuntu server connected to my stereo amp. Is there an PHP app that I could load that would allow my wife to search/queue up songs?
[04:37] <fbc-mx> Like a PHP jukebox program or something?
[04:38] <p_quarles> ampache, I think, would fit what you're after
[04:44] <fbc-mx> p_quarles, awesome thanks.. I look at but could not find where it had a LOCALPLAY option. I figured it was streaming only, but now after careful examination, I see that it does have a local play option.. thanks again.
[04:44] <twb> axisys: generally, you should not have your own auth/session/whatever entries AND include the common-foo files.  Do one or the other.
[04:47] <fbc-mx> p_quarles, my ebox/ubuntu jaunty server rocks! I've never been able to do so much home automation, ever. I think pretty soon, I'm gonna start looking for a program to turn it into an answering machine for my phone line. Now if only I could find a way to connect my USB-B2K Skype adapter and run a remote skype service and control it from my pc.
[04:48] <twb> Why Skype and not a free implementation (like Asterisk) of an open protocol (SIP)?
[04:48] <fbc-mx> p_quarles, but I don't think there is anyway to run skype as a daemon. You might need a full gnome GUI setup for that.
[04:49] <twb> fbc-mx: you could use Xorg's vfb backend, so that skype thinks there's a display, but there isn't.
[04:50] <fbc-mx> twb, Because skype is what people really know..  I guess I could use asterisk, but that would mean I'd have to pay for a number somewhere. The skype would be a free pc2pc call.
[04:50] <fbc-mx> twb, vfb?? cool.. I gotta look into that... let me google it. I love ubuntu!!
[04:51] <p_quarles> you could also just use ssh X11 forwarding, no?
[04:53] <fbc-mx> p_quarles, that would be over my head. I'd have to find a guide or howto for that.. I'm good with the server services stuff, like bind,apache,samba, but X11 fluency has always eluded me.
[04:56] <fbc-mx> p_quarles, from the reading about that I've just been doing , I don't need to tunnel it through ssh because it will be strictly a local lan based usage. So encryption is not really necessary.
[04:56] <fbc-mx> BRB
[04:56] <twb> p_quarles: assuming you were running X somewhere else, sure.
[04:56] <twb> p_quarles: I thought he wanted a headless system
[05:02] <p_quarles> twb: you don't need an X server for X forwarding, though; just the libs
[05:02] <p_quarles> twb: well, not a server on the remote machine, anyway; just on the machine with the actual display
[05:07] <twb> p_quarles: you need an X server *somewhere*
[05:07] <twb> Not that it matters; he's gone
[05:07] <p_quarles> twb: ah, re-reading, I see what you mean; I missed the part about the answering machine
[05:08] <p_quarles> I thought he wanted to run skype remotely as an attachable client, a la irssi
[05:25] <unewbie> is there a web management tool for squid proxy?
[05:30] <Mal3ko> wth..ufw cant block ip..
[05:31] <Mal3ko> sudo ufw deny from 60.51.117.96
[05:31] <Mal3ko> but i could logon the server after reload the rules
[05:31] <Mal3ko> could still*
[05:32] <Mal3ko> what's wrong
[05:47] <LHC> hey
[05:47] <Mal3ko> ?
[05:47] <LHC> anyone know how to host different mysql databases for different users on a server
[05:47] <LHC> question time haha
[05:48] <LHC> http://www.howtoforge.com/virtual-hosting-with-pureftpd-mysql-on-ubuntu-8.10
[05:48] <LHC> but mines on a dedicate dhaah
[05:48] <LHC> oops thats wrong sry
[05:53] <axisys> twb: thanks a lot.. that was it
[05:55] <axisys> Mal3ko: i think u probably need to pick a protocol
[05:56] <axisys> Mal3ko: no i am wrong
[05:56] <Mal3ko> hmm
[05:57] <Mal3ko> To                         Action  From
[05:57] <Mal3ko> Anywhere                   DENY    60.51.117.96
[06:00] <axisys> Mal3ko: same here .. did not work for me .. even with proto tcp
[06:01] <Mal3ko> ahh..i think ive found the answer
[06:02] <axisys> Mal3ko: reload ?
[06:02] <Mal3ko> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Uncomplicated_Firewall_ufw
[06:02] <Mal3ko> read from the line 'So if you started with default deny and added in port 80 for a public server :'
[06:03] <Mal3ko> You need to edit /etc/ufw/before.rules and add a section "Block IP" after "Drop INVALID packets" :
[06:05] <axisys> Mal3ko: ah ha.. unless u specify the port number
[06:06] <axisys> Mal3ko: nawp.. i am wrong again..
[06:07] <Mal3ko> what does this mean..
[06:07] <Mal3ko> "If you simply add the deny rule the allow would have been above it and been applied instead of the deny "
[06:08] <axisys> i see you have to update the ufw* tables with are placed before INPUT table
[06:09] <axisys> so bottom like need to comply with iptables orders .. make sense to me
[06:10] <axisys> s/like/line/
[06:11] <Mal3ko> iptable orders?
[06:13] <axisys> Mal3ko: i meant iptables -L .. still learning
[06:13] <Mal3ko> where is iptable rules stored in?
[06:15] <genii> See manpages for iptables-save and iptables-restore
[06:29] <twb> iptables-save rocks
[06:29] <twb> Even just for READING rules -- it beats -vnL by far.
[06:31] <Mal3ko> howso
[06:32] <twb> Mal3ko: the output density, and the syntax matches what you actually type, rather than being an isomorphic dialect.
[06:33] <twb> The main thing you lose is packet counts per rule.
[06:33] <twb> Oh, and you don't need to remember to check eack table type separately.
[06:33] <twb> (e.g. -t mangle)
[06:46] <SineDeviance> hi all
[06:46] <SineDeviance> currently i am running a WAMP server. i want to switch to a LAMP server
[06:46] <SineDeviance> with windows i use a package called Bitnami WAMPstack
[06:46] <SineDeviance> essentially, it's a one-click WAMP server installer/configurator
[06:47] <SineDeviance> if i installed ubuntu server would it be ready to go right out of the box or would there be a good amount of configuring involved?
[06:48] <jmarsden> It depends what you want to do with the server.  You can easily get the stack included at initial installation time, and it runs "out of the box".
[06:49] <jmarsden> Bear in mind there will be no "one click", since Ubuntu server comes with no GUI -- it is command line driven.
[06:49] <SineDeviance> jmarsden, i'm going to be running wordpress and eyeOS. eyeOS only requires php iirc
[06:49] <SineDeviance> jmarsden, right but i can install a windowmanager right?
[06:49] <unewbie> i need to copy some part of pdf file which is passworded, anybody know how?
[06:50] <jmarsden> SineDeviance: Sounds very doable to me.  You can add a GUI, but then you don't really have Ubuntu Server any more...
[06:50] <unewbie> as i remember i need to convert to some 'ps'
[06:50] <SineDeviance> jmarsden, yeah but if i was running blackbox it would still be leaner than, say, ubuntu-desktop
[06:50] <SineDeviance> i'm mainly doing it for the security anyways
[06:51] <SineDeviance> i'm not too trusting in windowsxp's security ability
[06:52] <jmarsden> It's your call.  GUI questions are not generally handled in #ubuntu-server.  You've been running a *server* on Win XP? Yes, Ubuntu Server will generally speaking be more secure, assuming equivalent care and attention from the system admin.
[06:53] <jmarsden> Ubuntu Server is not just without "a window manager", BTW.  It is without an X server at all...
[06:53] <SineDeviance> jmarsden, right. i'm running a server on winxp pro sp2. everything was fine at first but my router is crap so now i have to run my server in the DMZ. which basically means no firewall
[06:53] <SineDeviance> you can surely see my predicament ;)
[06:55] <jmarsden> Not a good thing to do.  By all means try Ubuntu server.  It works well.  But if you add X and a GUI to it... well, you're in a sort of half way house between Server and Desktop, so you'd better know what you are doing...
[06:55] <SineDeviance> okay
[06:56] <SineDeviance> hmm, maybe for now i'll stick with windows and run a software firewall like comodo. i'm really not familiar with ubuntu-server so i dont want to go rushing into this blind
[06:57] <jmarsden> You could run your LAMP stack on Ubuntu Desktop, too.  The Server Guide is at https://help.ubuntu.com/9.04/serverguide/C/ if you want to start learning about Ubuntu Server.
[06:58] <SineDeviance> jmarsden, that's a thought but it's quite an old system. it has 512 meg of ram and a 1500mhz athlonxp. ubuntu desktop has serious performance issues on this thing... winxp is actually much faster (i know, crazy innit?)
[06:59] <jmarsden> The RAM may be your limiting factor there... adding another 512MB for say $30 would probably help significantly.  Or consider Xubuntu for a lower footprint Ubuntu with a GUI.
[07:00] <SineDeviance> jmarsden, well see this is pc133 ram. it's almost impossible to fine
[07:00] <SineDeviance> find*
[07:00] <SineDeviance> but yeah
[07:00] <SineDeviance> i guess i could try xubuntu
[07:01] <jmarsden> OK.  BTW, I see several PC133 RAm modules on newegg... see http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2010170147%201052107967%201052407863&name=PC%20133
[07:01] <SineDeviance> jmarsden, holy crap
[07:01] <jmarsden> That's just one of many online stores... one I use myself...
[07:02] <SineDeviance> hmm i looked on newegg last year and they didnt have crap, i thought pc ram was dead
[07:02] <jmarsden> It is, pretty much, but you can still find it.
[07:02] <SineDeviance> yeah maybe i'll upgrade this system a bit
[07:12] <SineDeviance> jmarsden, thanks
[07:12] <jmarsden> No problem.
[07:24] <WayneK> I'm trying to find out what the default groups are for the first user created during installation on Hardy Server (I used usermod without -a - d'oh!) : I found this link but I'm not sure if this applies to Server also: http://ccollins.wordpress.com/2007/07/02/restore-default-ubuntu-groups/
[07:43] <pspsampsp> mysql wont start without root or on boot , how can i fix this?
[07:46] <pspsampsp> mysql wont start without root or on boot , how can i fix this?
[14:26] <LHC> hey
[14:57] <LHC> anyone know how to limit bandwidth of a user in ubuntu server
[15:01] <twb> That is non-trivial, I think.
[15:02] <twb> Though if you work out how, I'd be interested to read an article on the implementation.
[15:03] <LHC> yeah it seems very handy
[15:04] <twb> Actually what I really want is monthly network quotas on a per-host basis (identified by MAC).
[15:05] <twb> So that I can essentially sub-let my monthly download cap to flatmates; currently there's no easy way to tell WHICH asshole left bittorrent running overnight and blew away the cap.
[15:06] <twb> One of the guys at work tells me it can be done, I just haven't bothered yet.
[15:08] <giovani> twb: sure it can be done -- most bandwidth tracking apps use IPs though
[15:09] <twb> Easier to spoof IPs than MACs, though.
[15:09] <twb> Oh, and I want to do this on a 16MHz MIPS system :-)
[15:09] <giovani> that's false
[15:10] <ScottK> twb: IP spoofing is only somewhat doable in real life if you control both IPs.
[15:10] <giovani> I doubt he's even talking about "spoofing"
[15:10] <twb> Well, I use the term `spoofing' loosely
[15:10] <giovani> he's talking about changing it
[15:10] <ScottK> Ah.
[15:10] <ScottK> Yeah.  That's easy enough.
[15:10] <giovani> twb: if you can't trust them enough to rely on these metrics, then you're in far more trouble
[15:11] <ScottK> Changing MAC isn't hard either.
[15:11] <twb> You'd manually set your own IP to be the IP of someone else's laptop, when the other laptop isn't connected.
[15:11] <giovani> twb: it sounds like your problem is not bandwidth tracking, but trust
[15:11] <giovani> there's no bandwidth-tracking system that can ensure they aren't doing all sorts of weird things to get around it
[15:12] <giovani> so, there has to be some level of established trust
[15:12] <twb> Yeah, that's what I've already found :-(
[15:12] <giovani> right ... so no need to look for a piece of software
[15:12] <giovani> that's not what's needed
[15:12] <twb> The implied goal was to make it more hassle than it was worth to circumvent it
[15:12] <giovani> unless you can lock up the switch, and employ 802.1x
[15:12] <giovani> that's your only bet for end-to-end security
[15:15] <twb> Actually I suppose it won't be a problem when I switch to ADSL2, since even the throttled speed is fast enough for my needs, which are basically ssh and imaps.
[15:48] <infekteddeath> anyone familiar with ispconfig 3
[17:02] <mdlueck> I just installed my first Ubuntu 9.04 server edition. What is suppose to replace dselect?
[17:03] <giovani> mdlueck: uhm ... apt?
[17:03] <mdlueck> I guess I expected as much. Then I will pull down dselect with apt in that case.
[17:03] <mdlueck> Thanks!
[17:04] <giovani> mdlueck: what are you attempting to do exactly?
[17:04] <mdlueck> Use what I am used to... been using dselect since the release before Debian Sarge... forget its name.
[17:05] <giovani> apt "replaced" dselect years ago
[17:05] <mdlueck> Is there anything wrong with adding dselect back to server 9.04?
[17:06] <mdlueck> apt is completely command line, I can not browse through the packages.
[17:06] <giovani> I'm unclear on why you think it's "gone" from ubuntu 9.04
[17:06] <giovani> it's right there in the repository
[17:06] <mdlueck> Gone meaning not installed by default
[17:06] <giovani> heh
[17:07] <giovani> it's an application almost nobody uses
[17:07] <giovani> I don't want its 2MB bloating my install
[17:07] <giovani> if you do -- install it
[17:07] <mdlueck> "except me"
[17:07] <giovani> so then you can install it ...
[17:07] <giovani> that's why it's there
[17:07] <giovani> default installs are not supposed to provide the packages only some people want
[17:07] <mdlueck> I was asking because I thought there might be a new wiz-bang UI to package management
[17:08] <giovani> there is ... it's called apt & co.
[17:08] <mdlueck> co = dselect?
[17:08] <giovani> & co = aptitude, etc
[17:09] <mdlueck> aptitude I thought was the "GUI dselect" that the GUI versions of Ubuntu have, correct?
[17:09] <giovani> no
[17:09] <giovani> aptitude is terminal-based
[17:09] <mdlueck> Oh, I did not know that.
[17:09] <giovani> ncurses based to be exact
[17:09] <giovani> you're probably thinking of synaptic
[17:09] <giovani> which is a gnome/gtk GUI
[17:09] <mdlueck> So there is something besides working with apt-get from the command line
[17:10] <giovani> yes
[17:10] <mdlueck> That's the anem1
[17:10] <mdlueck> "name!"
[17:10] <mdlueck> OK, I will check out what aptitude looks like then...
[17:11] <giovani> http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/aptitude-screenshot.png
[17:11] <giovani> it looks like that
[17:11] <giovani> or this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Aptitude.png
[17:11] <giovani> aptitude is far from new though ... so I'm a little surprised that you're a hardcore dselect user and don't know of it
[17:12] <mdlueck> Looks like what I was after... THNKA
[17:12] <mdlueck> THANKS!
[17:13] <mdlueck> For servers we still have Debian Sarge in production... migrating to 9.04 this weekend
[17:14] <giovani> have fund with that
[17:15] <giovani> big move
[17:20] <mdlueck> Aptitude... "What the...?!?!"
[17:20] <giovani> mdlueck: ?
[17:21] <mdlueck> Says 2 packages are security updates, like 10 should be updated, when I press "g" then it seems to want to install 1928 packages!
[17:22] <mdlueck> Things like apache which I do not want on this server...
[17:22] <giovani> you probably selected some meta pkg
[17:23] <mdlueck> "Will take some getting used to I guess". I have exited and gotten back in, same thing. Must have saved the meta pkg. Anyway to track down what I asked for?
[17:23] <Gargoyle> Afternoon all
[17:30] <mdlueck> Handy - Action \ Forget... slick!
[17:43] <Gargoyle> Can I get older PHP releases from anywhere?
[18:06] <mdlueck> Anyone here using djbdns? Trying to install on 9.04, relies on daemontools, and that is fussing as it can not find /etc/inittab
[18:08] <mdlueck> Ooops, seems to be already a known issue --> [Bug 179251]
[18:11] <ssm> mdlueck, if you mark one of the extra packages with "deinstall" after you hit "g", it should also deinstall dependencies, which would be the meta package, that may help you find it
[18:12] <ssm> meh, had pagedup a bit, didn't see you got a solution :P
[18:13] <mdlueck> ssm, thanks for the suggestion!
[18:13] <ssm> mdlueck, just touch inittab, so "make setup check" can add to it.  Then you'd need to add something for upstart
[18:13] <ssm> ls that an ubuntu daemontools package you're installing?
[18:13] <mdlueck> ssm, Great idea. I will try it, then reinstall those packages
[18:14] <ssm> I like djbdns, but it's kind of picky when it comes to the environment it's running in.
[18:16] <ssm> mdlueck: I see the "daemontools-run" package needs an inittab change, the "daemontools" package does not
[18:17] <mdlueck> ssm, seems to have worked, no more grumbling
[18:18] <mdlueck> Thanks!
[18:22] <ssm> mdlueck, you need http://pastebin.com/m777e9230 and a "mkdir /etc/service"
[18:23] <ssm> save the url as /etc/event.d/daemontools, and then you can do "start daemontools"
[18:25] <mdlueck> All right, thanks for the addl pointers.
[20:04] <slestak> hey guys.  i am trying my 1st kvm vmbuilder vm, and I have it booted, but sth is flukey with networking.  I can ping my dom1 from dom0, but I cannot ping anything but localhost from dom1.
[20:05] <slestak> doth dom1 and dom0 have the same default gateway.  I confogured this with bridging, so I have a br0 interface on dom0
[20:07] <slestak> ok, reading the fin manual , i see icmp doesnt work through bridge
[20:08] <slestak> ok, more specific question, I cannot reach the outside lan from within vm.  1st activity I attempted was an adptitude update, and it cannto reach canonical.  hence the ping attempts
[20:45] <fbc_> How do I do this to pulseaudio from the command line? "enable network access to local sound device"
[20:54] <antonsetiady> # join
[20:54] <antonsetiady> hi...
[20:55] <antonsetiady> dddddddddddddddddasda
[20:56] <antonsetiady> halllo
[20:56] <antonsetiady> anybody online??
[20:57] <fbc_> ask what you need to know
[21:11] <fbc_> has anyone installed mpd mpc pulseaudio on ubuntu server and got them to play nice? I can get any sound. Could someone point me in the right direction?
[22:10] <mikegriffin> hiya, what is the name of the webmin like thing that ubuntu puts out? i wanna try it out today
[22:11] <ScottK> mikegriffin: ebox
[22:11] <mikegriffin> thanks ScottK
[22:11] <mikegriffin> played with it?
[22:11] <ScottK> Not.  My favorite server gui is vim.
[22:11] <MianoSM> vim is a gui now?
[22:11] <ScottK> GUI enough for me on a server.
[22:11] <mikegriffin> agreed, but it is nice to let others manage email adds and such
[22:12] <ScottK> Sure.
[22:13] <MianoSM> Webmin works like a charm for me still, and having junior admins only accessing through usermin is great. ;)
[22:13] <giovani> heh
[22:15] <mikegriffin> *min kinda sucks as it tries to do too much, apache configuration through it is terrible
[22:15] <mikegriffin> same with mysql really
[22:16] <giovani> all of these interfaces suck
[22:18] <psylance`> giovani, agreed
[22:24] <fbc_> anyone know how to test alsa sound from the command line?  Line just make it go beep or something so that I know it's working and configured properly?
[22:25] <mikegriffin> mpg123?
[22:27] <giovani> fbc_: any audio player will work
[22:30] <fbc_> giovani, ok, I loaded mpg123 and played an mp3. It said it was playing but couldn't hear a thing? How would I trouble shoot a problem with alsa audio?
[22:33] <mikegriffin> alsamixer?
[22:34] <mikegriffin> this is so not a server question.. try #ubuntu?
[22:39] <MianoSM> apache config through webmin is great, as long as you compile from source
[22:46] <mikegriffin> MianoSM: how do you add a RedirectPermanent without manually typing that in? :)
[22:46] <MianoSM> are you asking simply to ask, or do you really want to know how to do it through webmin?
[22:46] <mikegriffin> basically, anything you want to do in apache is going to be just modifying to conf manually through webmin in my experience
[22:47] <MianoSM> right
[22:47] <MianoSM> However with webmin, you can have a quick and easy way to access and administer your servers through a web browser in a pinch. It's a nice backup to have  in my opinion, and has always worked with a very small foot print.
[22:53] <atomic__> you can't see its hands though ;)
[23:12] <giovani> MianoSM: a backup to what exactly?
[23:13] <pisi_> A ubuntu server started to play tricks after an upgrade. Outgoing connections (like telnet) pick the address of eth1:1 instead of eth1 so i get kicked out of IP-filtered services.
[23:13] <MianoSM> backup to needing :22
[23:13] <giovani> the web server hosting webmin is going to be LESS reliable, and never available when SSH is not
[23:13] <pisi_> Why does it happen and how can I prevent it/tweak it
[23:13] <MianoSM> Like when I'm at school?
[23:13] <giovani> pisi_: just check your default route
[23:14] <MianoSM> Or when I'm in a government building that states I can't plug in my usb drive to open putty on one of the windows machines?
[23:14] <giovani> hah
[23:14] <giovani> use your own computer
[23:14] <pisi_> giovani: 0.0.0.0         X.X.X.X  0.0.0.0         UG    100    0        0 eth1
[23:15] <MianoSM> ....
[23:15] <MianoSM> using your own computer is not always an option, thus the "backup"
[23:15] <pisi_> just as it should be. I've had interface-swapping kind of problems before (which are annoying) but never so that IP addresses get mixed.
[23:16] <mikegriffin> giovani: it runs its own 'webserver', a perl script
[23:18] <pisi_> giovani: a reboot for example fixed it for now, but I can't explain why it acted like it did for one reboot
[23:21] <giovani> mikegriffin: how is that a statement of reliability?
[23:21] <giovani> MianoSM: there are ways to deal with all of the limitations you discussed
[23:22] <MianoSM> Sure, to each their own for sure - that is the essence of the movement I think ;)
[23:22] <giovani> a) putty doesn't need to be saved/installed onto the machine you want to run it on -- firefox/ie can run it directly out of the temp folder
[23:22] <giovani> MianoSM: sure ... and to educate those who misunderstand things :)
[23:22] <MianoSM> You can not bring flash devices into a secure area
[23:23] <giovani> MianoSM: I wasn't recommending that you do so
[23:23] <giovani> if you read my statement
[23:23] <MianoSM> that's execution of a remote app in their eyes however
[23:23] <giovani> then you should not be accessing your server from said computer
[23:23] <giovani> I'm sure it's a violation of their policies based on this information
[23:24] <MianoSM> It is not.
[23:24] <giovani> I bet it is
[23:24] <MianoSM> Ok.
[23:24] <giovani> anyhow -- there are java/whatever ssh apps
[23:25] <giovani> that can be loaded in a web browser
[23:25] <MianoSM> So many different ways to do the same thing. :)
[23:25] <giovani> that's not the same thing as using webmin
[23:25] <MianoSM> ebox wasn't for me - I simply offered a different solution.
[23:25] <MianoSM> An argument to argue is not my inclination at the moment though. :(