terinjokes | i seem to have a fatal error with my installation medium (currently IRCing from Live mode), the package list cache seems to be corrupted, can I repair from within the Live environment? | 02:26 |
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terinjokes | my error: E: Read error - read (5 Input/output error)E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened.E: _cache->open() failed, please report. | 02:27 |
terinjokes | the install crashed *after* axing my original system | 02:27 |
th0r | terinjokes: did you verify the disk before you started the install? | 02:28 |
terinjokes | no | 02:29 |
terinjokes | it passed the checksum | 02:30 |
Guest34511 | hola chicos | 02:30 |
Guest34511 | .n manudo_cr7 | 02:30 |
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terinjokes | after download | 02:30 |
manudo_cr7 | alguno habla español??? | 02:30 |
manudo_cr7 | chicos alguno habla espáñol??? | 02:31 |
th0r | terinjokes: the error indicates a bad burn. the original download is probably ok...but the burn went bad | 02:31 |
th0r | !es | 02:31 |
ubottu | En la mayoría de canales Ubuntu se comunica en inglés. Para ayuda en Español, por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es. | 02:31 |
terinjokes | th0r: the iso is no more ;) | 02:31 |
manudo_cr7 | gracias [ubottu] !!! | 02:31 |
terinjokes | can I recover, ie, create a new package list? | 02:32 |
th0r | terinjokes: I know of no way to do that | 02:32 |
terinjokes | th0r: will the Live system allow me to eject the disc long enough to burn a new copy? | 02:33 |
terinjokes | if it doesn't, I'm stuck | 02:33 |
th0r | terinjokes: not sure....see if brasero is on the menu for the live cd | 02:33 |
terinjokes | it is | 02:33 |
th0r | terinjokes: still...if you take the cd out of the drive the live system will crash. Do you have access to a second (usb?) cd burner? | 02:34 |
terinjokes | no | 02:34 |
* terinjokes just realized he didn't burn the ISO of Win7RC before axing the system, oh well | 02:35 | |
th0r | terinjokes: trying to come up with another option...but not having much luck | 02:35 |
* manudo_cr7 cuenta regresiva para despedirme: | 02:36 | |
* manudo_cr7 5 llego la hora menos esperada!!! | 02:36 | |
* manudo_cr7 4 la hora de decir adiooos!!! | 02:36 | |
* manudo_cr7 3 me tengo q ir =-( !!! | 02:36 | |
* manudo_cr7 2 pero volvere =-) !!! | 02:36 | |
* manudo_cr7 1 asi q cuidenseeeeen !!! | 02:36 | |
* manudo_cr7 0 BOOM (bye) !!!!! | 02:36 | |
terinjokes | well, can't we change were the system looks for the package list? | 02:36 |
th0r | terinjokes: I don't even know where to find another copy of the package list | 02:37 |
terinjokes | th0r: i thought refreshing the packages with Settings->Software Sources would do it, but it wouldn't | 02:41 |
th0r | terinjokes: no, if I understand the system correctly the package list is the list of things to install...that wouldn't be 'refreshable' | 02:43 |
terinjokes | then why would Software Sources also get the error? | 02:44 |
terinjokes | and Synapics? | 02:44 |
popcornPanic | hi i am trying to install Xubuntu 9.04 PPC on an iMac. i have installed but computer reboots after a message that says 'invalid ROM contents' | 02:56 |
MaineTim | xubuntu | 02:56 |
terinjokes | i think i might have gotten it | 03:00 |
terinjokes | of course, i have to entirely rebuild the available packages | 03:00 |
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terinjokes | ok... that didn't work | 03:31 |
mikechelen | is there any remote desktop server included with xubuntu? | 04:37 |
shamoun | hey all | 04:43 |
shamoun | how big is a installed xubuntu system? | 04:44 |
dylan_ | hey. im having problems with... when i minimize things, they dont come back when i click on the task bar. they seem to be stuck down there. its not a compiz or emerald problem, i disabled both of them. but no avail. any sugestions ? | 05:00 |
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psycho_oreos | I'm at the height of the Thunar freezing, 8.10 (ibex) I did strace and the last few lines indicated resource temporarily unavailable followed by a process 15870 detached.. I get a new thunar window but it seems to have hung.. Thunar is consuming ~50% of my cpu usage and I'm running a dual core capable machine.. the installation is 32bit mode not 64bit | 05:19 |
psycho_oreos | hmm guess those people I was chatting to the other day are no longer here :/ I guess I'll have to resort to pkill | 05:21 |
psycho_oreos | I've got strace working on the thread that's causing the issues, and I think I can probably see whats going on.. strace -p `pgrep Thunar` | 05:25 |
psycho_oreos | its showing permission denied and operation not supported | 05:25 |
droid7 | how do i enable my volume buttons to work in xubunu? (works in ubuntu) | 06:02 |
hdsturg | is there a known issue with slow dns lookup in xubuntu? | 06:40 |
moodog | morning :) | 07:13 |
raevol | would anyone know why xubuntu is showing the contents of my home folder as icons on my desktop? | 07:34 |
th0r | raevol: try this...remove the icons and log off. When the logoff screen appears make sure the 'save session' box is marked. Then log back on and see if they show up again | 07:36 |
raevol | really? i will want to remove the saved session later so that i don't have two of everything running, is that really a solution? | 07:37 |
th0r | raevol: yes...it might be the solution. You can also set everything up the way you want and then save the session from Settings-Session and Startup. That is what I do | 07:38 |
raevol | yea, that's really not what i want to do | 07:39 |
th0r | raevol: ok | 07:39 |
raevol | i basically want to point my desktop to show the files in ~/Desktop instead of ~/ | 07:39 |
th0r | raevol: ah...I misunderstood | 07:41 |
raevol | ok | 07:41 |
tomal | anyone help with getting desktop going tosh tecra 800 xub904 | 07:59 |
RedSocrates | Has anybody else had an issue with GTK2 themes resetting in xfce? Whenever I start a new X session, my GTK theme is reset to the default | 08:01 |
tomal | quiet place.. | 08:01 |
RedSocrates | Oh well, guess I'll have to settle for the dirty hack I just threw together | 08:04 |
RedSocrates | Deleted the default theme and replaced it with a symlink to the new theme, for anyone interested | 08:05 |
MrNaz_cic | if i want to format an external drive (usb hdd enclosure) so that i can be read/written in linux, windows and mac, what filesystem do i use and how do i do that in xubuntu ? | 08:07 |
hdsturg | i want to play mp3's in Listen. Is there a codec I can install for that, without installing the whole xubuntu-restricted package? | 08:10 |
R1cochet | MrNaz_cic: i believe u can use any filesystem you would like as long as all 3 O.S.'s have the drivers to read that particular filesystem. | 08:53 |
evocallaghan | Hi, Do you inc. a PV kernel on the ISO ? | 08:54 |
R1cochet | hdsturg: have u tried to play the mp3 yet? and yes u can install just individual codecs. xubuntu-restricted simply marks all the codecs for install | 08:55 |
R1cochet | not sure which codec u would need tho. i just unstall xubuntu-restricted | 08:55 |
premorphos | hey is it possible to some how create keyboard shortcuts to open programs | 10:53 |
R1cochet | i think so | 10:55 |
R1cochet | i mean all shortcuts do is run a command | 10:55 |
premorphos | exactly so it shuled be easy.. but how? | 10:56 |
R1cochet | app>settings>xfce4settings>keyboard>shortcuts tab | 10:56 |
premorphos | you mean setingsmaneger? | 10:58 |
premorphos | yea there it was...it was under the keybord icon | 10:59 |
blendmaster1024 | my xubuntu hangs 9 seconds into the boot because a python script tries to remount the root and it successfully unmounts it but it can't mount it because the python runs sh which hen should run mount but it h can't exec mount. any idea why? i have more info if necessary | 11:04 |
jkl | hi, abiword hangs on startup since i removed close to 300 orphaned packages with synaptic, problem persists even after complete reinstallation, any ideas? | 11:47 |
SiDi | jkl, http://packages.ubuntu.com/jaunty/xubuntu-desktop | 12:10 |
SiDi | install all the deps of xubuntu-desktop | 12:10 |
SiDi | http://packages.ubuntu.com/jaunty/abiword and these too | 12:10 |
jkl | ok, ill try that, thanks | 12:12 |
jkl | hi, abiword hangs on startup since i removed close to 300 orphaned packages with synaptic, problem persists even after complete reinstallation, any ideas? | 12:46 |
mellys | helo | 12:47 |
mellys | help me activate compiz pls | 12:47 |
knome | !compiz | 12:47 |
ubottu | Compiz (compositing window manager), for a howto see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager and more help #compiz | 12:47 |
mellys | it seems not working | 12:47 |
mellys | helo knome | 12:48 |
knome | hi mellys. | 13:00 |
mellys | helo knome | 13:00 |
mellys | i want to use | 13:00 |
mellys | 3d window on compiz | 13:01 |
mellys | how can i activate it? | 13:01 |
knome | did you read the help.ubuntu.com page? | 13:01 |
mellys | i cannot understand | 13:01 |
mellys | this is my first time to use linux | 13:01 |
knome | what don't you understand? | 13:01 |
mellys | how to make my desktop rotate like a cube | 13:02 |
mellys | i only have wobble effects only | 13:02 |
knome | ok, as you have compiz enabled, please ask in #compiz | 13:02 |
knome | they can help you better | 13:03 |
mellys | ok thanks | 13:03 |
mellys | knome, where is the button1 located? | 13:09 |
mellys | the default to use cube is shift super and button1 | 13:09 |
knome | i don't know. you can change the keybinding, however. | 13:10 |
mellys | i can change is to 1-9 | 13:10 |
mellys | problem is where is the button they refer to? | 13:11 |
mellys | hehehe | 13:11 |
mellys | sorry its on paint fire the default is shift super and button1 | 13:11 |
mellys | no other keys only button1 to button9 | 13:11 |
th0r | mellys: button1 is usually the left button on the mouse | 13:12 |
mellys | ic | 13:13 |
mellys | got it | 13:13 |
mellys | thanks th0r | 13:13 |
mellys | in the cube window | 13:14 |
mellys | how can i activate it? | 13:15 |
mellys | no key to be configurre | 13:15 |
ricochet | hey guys i need some serious help.. i have an SD card in my Dell mini that has a bunch of my videos from a trip i am currently on in South East Asia.. well today i opened up my SD card and all of the files have a bunch of ASCII symbols and locks on the icons.. i cant do anything with it either | 14:17 |
ricochet | anyone there? | 14:19 |
jkl | hey, can anyone offer some advice, abiword hangs on startup since i removed close to 300 orphaned packages with synaptic, problem persists even after complete reinstallation, any ideas? thanks | 14:24 |
mellys | helo | 14:34 |
mellys | why is my display back to 640x480 when i restart? | 14:35 |
mellys | i already configure it to 1024 | 14:35 |
SiDi | mellys, did you activate your graphics card drivers ? | 14:39 |
SiDi | Apps -> System -> Hardware drivers | 14:40 |
yuka_ | i installed xfce-4. i would like to have the app launcher, the one u hit Win key + Q and it opens textbox that let's u run an app. | 14:46 |
yuka_ | what is the name of this app? is there anything else xfce is missing from xubuntu? | 14:47 |
SiDi | its xfrun4 | 14:53 |
SiDi | and its alt+f2 by default | 14:53 |
yuka_ | SiDi: works! | 14:54 |
SiDi | :) | 14:57 |
yuka_ | SiDi: and how do i add the 2 menu items (places and the other one) | 14:57 |
SiDi | did you only install xfce4 ? | 14:57 |
SiDi | and not xubuntu-desktop ? | 14:57 |
yuka_ | SiDi: true | 14:57 |
yuka_ | SiDi: no.. | 14:58 |
SiDi | install xubuntu-desktop then :) | 14:58 |
yuka_ | SiDi: what am I missing? | 14:58 |
SiDi | it'll come with all the default settings for xfce4 | 14:58 |
yuka_ | SiDi: ok | 14:58 |
yuka_ | SiDi: should i remove xfce-4? | 14:58 |
SiDi | no :) | 14:58 |
yuka_ | ok | 14:59 |
SiDi | its part of xubuntu-desktop | 14:59 |
yuka_ | SiDi: 942MB.. i wonder why is it so big. | 15:01 |
SiDi | hm | 15:03 |
SiDi | there might be gimp/abiword if you didnt have them installed | 15:03 |
SiDi | you can remove them after, at worse | 15:03 |
yuka_ | SiDi: great. thank you | 15:04 |
SiDi | you're welcome | 15:05 |
_Pete_ | yuka_: do you realize how memory is used in *nix world? | 15:09 |
Devilsprey99 | I need a proper working iso of xubuntu 9.04 | 15:24 |
Devilsprey99 | anyone can help | 15:24 |
cody-somerville | !iso | 15:24 |
ubottu | To mount an ISO disc image, type « sudo mount -o loop <ISO-filename> <mountpoint> » - There is a list of useful cd image conversion tools at http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/CD_Image_Conversion - Always verify the ISO using !MD5 before !burning. | 15:24 |
cody-somerville | !burning | Devilsprey99 | 15:25 |
ubottu | Devilsprey99: CD/DVD Burning software: K3b (KDE), gnomebaker, brasero, serpentine, graveman, Nautilus-CD-Burner, GToaster, xcdroast (GNOME), wodim (terminal-based). Burning .iso files: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BurningIsoHowto | 15:25 |
Devilsprey99 | its not burning I need Xubuntu 9.04 | 15:25 |
Devilsprey99 | I downloaded some isos | 15:25 |
Devilsprey99 | but all come up with errors | 15:25 |
Devilsprey99 | any suggestions | 15:27 |
igna | Hi! I have a problem. I installed lxde in my xubuntu sistem and it altered some settings of the sistem (menu items, panel dissapeared). | 15:43 |
igna | How can I return back to the previous sistem | 15:44 |
knome | igna, you are probably running an lxde session. from the login screen, select xfce session. | 15:48 |
igna | I removed lxde with apt-get and the libs it installed with synaptic. This deleted the menus items installed by lxde, but not solved the others problems. | 15:49 |
igna | I did it | 15:49 |
knome | alt+f2 > xfce4-panel | 15:49 |
knome | that should bring back panels. | 15:49 |
igna | Ok, i'll try | 15:49 |
igna | Other problem is that now synaptic, and epiphany autostart when xubuntu start. What lxde could touch to do this? | 15:51 |
knome | igna, no idea. something has modified your xfce session. | 15:52 |
igna | Where are this settings? How can I reset them? Create a new user and delete mine? I try reinstal xubuntu-desktop but didn't work | 15:54 |
knome | igna, applications -> settings -> session and startup | 15:55 |
knome | igna, see the application autostart and session tabs | 15:55 |
igna | I looked in session tab, why thunar is twice? | 16:04 |
knome | i don't know. | 16:07 |
knome | maybe two windows? | 16:07 |
igna | no windows. I don't start int | 16:08 |
igna | it | 16:08 |
knome | don't know then. | 16:09 |
abra | who saw this? http://itmages.ru/view.php?action=view&id=4943&key=adf1de | 16:12 |
igna | What are the differences between session and processes in System Monitor? | 16:12 |
knome | igna, i'm not sure. haven't used system monitor. | 16:12 |
knome | abra, haven't seen it. | 16:13 |
abra | How can I report this bug? | 16:13 |
abra | I use en_US locale | 16:14 |
igna | Thank you | 16:14 |
knome | abra, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug please. thanks :) | 16:14 |
abra | knome, tnx to you | 16:14 |
knome | np | 16:14 |
Mood | is there a way to control the left/right position? the right side of my display is being truncated | 16:18 |
popcornPanic | hi just did a fresh install of xubuntu ppc on an imac and i get to GDM and i cannont login with my username and password. This is my second install both had same problem | 16:26 |
saketh | hello | 18:18 |
saketh | I have a HP officejet J6400 series printer and dont know how to use it wirelessly | 18:19 |
saketh | please help | 18:19 |
firsm | Can I make my mouse even slower than what's possible through the settings menu? | 18:34 |
blip- | hi, I'm trying to find out which xfce version Xubuntu 9.04 comes with. any idea ? thanks | 19:00 |
Mamaeh | blip-: dpkg -l xfce4 | 19:05 |
blip- | Mamaeh, huh ? what kind of reply is that, I don't have the OS or LiveCD yet, I'm trying to decide wether to spend a few hours downloading it | 19:06 |
blip- | (excuse my tone) | 19:06 |
Mamaeh | blip-: sorry, that I thought you already had it. The version is : 4.6.0 | 19:06 |
* Mamaeh likes it very much ;) | 19:07 | |
blip- | Mamaeh, ah ok that's good, I was worried it would be an older version. so actually I'm still running 8.04 ubuntu over here, have you tried running openbox inside of xfce by any chance ? | 19:08 |
Mamaeh | blip-: No, I haven't. | 19:08 |
blip- | ok thanks Mamaeh, the screenshots are hard to resist :) downloading it now | 19:09 |
Mamaeh | :) | 19:09 |
Mamaeh | blip-: Just a hint, you can find more at : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/JauntyJackalope/Final | 19:10 |
blip- | cool. thanks | 19:11 |
firsm | blip-: http://packages.ubuntu.com | 19:24 |
blip- | firsm, thanks | 19:25 |
david_25 | hello | 20:26 |
david_25 | can someone please help me get a bluetooth keyboard and mouse working on ps3 xubuntu | 20:27 |
david_25 | is there any one here/ | 20:28 |
david_25 | ? | 20:28 |
david_25 | any one at all | 20:28 |
david_25 | [? | 20:28 |
knome | david_25, no, we're all dead. | 20:28 |
david_25 | nobody's talking here | 20:30 |
xtmnx_ | standard | 20:30 |
knome | from the xubuntu jaunty release announcement, part "powerpc and ps3": # | 20:30 |
knome | For community discussion and support please see #ubuntu-powerpc, #ubuntu-ps3, or #ubuntu-ports on FreeNode. | 20:30 |
david_25 | ugh i just need a little help | 20:30 |
david_25 | this problem is driving me crazy | 20:30 |
knome | david_25, please ask #ubuntu-ps3. | 20:31 |
LaCtoSE | is there a channel for sound related issues? | 20:31 |
knome | LaCtoSE, what kind of sound issue? | 20:31 |
xtmnx_ | got question here as well: anyone have clue why xvidcap I grabbed from repo doesn't have audio options? | 20:31 |
LaCtoSE | laptop headphone sockets have stopped working. | 20:32 |
knome | xtmnx_, totally no idea. | 20:33 |
xtmnx_ | I see | 20:33 |
knome | LaCtoSE, uhm.. have you looked at the mixer settings | 20:33 |
knome | xtmnx_, you might get help at #ubuntu | 20:33 |
xtmnx_ | ok I'll try that | 20:33 |
LaCtoSE | knome, yes i have. | 20:33 |
knome | xtmnx_, i'm not sure if that is xubuntu-related issue, i mean :) | 20:33 |
knome | LaCtoSE, even alsamixer or aumix? | 20:34 |
xtmnx_ | i bet it's not, yeah hehe | 20:34 |
LaCtoSE | alsamixer | 20:34 |
xtmnx_ | xubuntu related issue then :p | 20:34 |
LaCtoSE | there's no bar where headphone is | 20:34 |
xtmnx_ | how do I prevent firefox from jumping workspace when called from another workspace | 20:34 |
xtmnx_ | e.g. irc | 20:34 |
knome | LaCtoSE, oh, do you use alsa at all or do you use pulseaudio? | 20:34 |
xtmnx_ | there was option in xfce 4.4 to prevent it (that I found from googling) but doesn't seem to work anymore | 20:35 |
xtmnx_ | with 4.6 | 20:35 |
david_25 | well no ones home on #ubuntu-ps3 | 20:35 |
knome | david_25, you just have to wait. we are volunteers. | 20:35 |
david_25 | can someone help me with bluetooth keyboard issues | 20:35 |
LaCtoSE | knome, i'm guessing it's using just alsa. i've not done anything adventurous with the normal install(yet). | 20:36 |
knome | LaCtoSE, which xubuntu version? | 20:36 |
LaCtoSE | knome, 9.04 | 20:37 |
knome | xtmnx_, from https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubufox/+bug/272171: "browser.tabs.loadDivertedInBackground should be set to true" | 20:37 |
xtmnx_ | knome: ah, thanks | 20:37 |
knome | xtmnx_, that should fix it. | 20:37 |
knome | LaCtoSE, you can try to remove the package 'pulseaudio' | 20:41 |
knome | LaCtoSE, that might solve your problem. | 20:41 |
LaCtoSE | ok | 20:41 |
LaCtoSE | here's a pastebin of my sound hw - http://pastebin.com/f54ada5c6 | 20:42 |
LaCtoSE | dunno if that'll help | 20:42 |
knome | LaCtoSE, i personally think it's just pulseaudio messing up. | 20:42 |
LaCtoSE | i'll look into it. i hope it sorts out the auto-sensing on the jacks as well. | 20:43 |
edgar_ | hi | 20:52 |
knome | !hi | edgar_ | 20:52 |
ubottu | edgar_: Hi! Welcome to #xubuntu! | 20:52 |
edgar_ | i have little problem, need some help... | 20:53 |
knome | !ask | edgar_ | 20:53 |
ubottu | edgar_: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) | 20:53 |
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edgar_ | i have x and y folder and they are in the folder b. i want to delete folder b but if i do it, x and y will be lost too. there is a chance to copy x and y folders somewhere else but its taking too much time (x and y folders are big). so the question is. is there a faster way?example. there are peas in the pod (pod-folder b peas-folders x,y) how can i get rid of pod, without losing the peas. tnx for help and sry for my bad english:) | 21:09 |
knome | edgar_, if you *move* them, it will be faster, assuming you move them to the physically same HD | 21:13 |
edgar_ | i tried, but it makes the same if i copy them. and even if i delete some big files, its taking a very long time. seems like xubuntu moving those files. the process seems similar if i copy music to my mp3 player. its taking time. | 21:31 |
slow-motion | hi | 21:52 |
slow-motion | n8 | 22:33 |
Slonkie | How come i'm not capable of burning out an .bin file with brasero? | 22:38 |
SiDi | what is that bin file ? | 22:45 |
SiDi | is it an iso9660 ? | 22:45 |
SiDi | cause either, just turn it into iso, or shout at the guy who gave it to you | 22:45 |
Slonkie | renaming it to .iso doesn't solve the problem | 22:52 |
Slonkie | It makes it possible to burn, but when i plug it in, it says unable to mount for stupid reasons | 22:53 |
th0r | Slonkie: sounds like the file is bad | 22:55 |
Slonkie | the file works | 22:56 |
Slonkie | CD-ROM is NOT in ISO 9660 format | 22:57 |
Slonkie | It says | 22:57 |
hdsturg | Slonkie: Did you convert it to ISO? You could use bchunk: http://www.linuxtent.com/?p=82 | 22:57 |
th0r | Slonkie: yup....if it is not in iso9660 format then.....the file is bad | 22:58 |
Slonkie | hm okay | 22:59 |
Slonkie | I know for a fact im able to burn it in a windows machine | 22:59 |
Slonkie | Guess that will be what i'm gonna have to do. | 23:00 |
hdsturg | Slonkie: i'm not sure, but i'd think that you'd have to actually convert the file to iso.. not just rename the extension | 23:00 |
Slonkie | i actually do have the .cue file for the bin file | 23:01 |
Slonkie | hmm i'll take a look at that link hdsturg, thanks :). | 23:02 |
hdsturg | Slonkie: you'd still need bchunk. but just do: bchunk xxx.bin xxx.cue xxx.iso | 23:02 |
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SiDi | Slonkie, it didnt say rename, i said turn into :P | 23:13 |
th0r | SiDi: it isn't an iso file...it is a windows proprietary format for burning cd's. He will have to convert it to get it to work in brasero | 23:13 |
SiDi | Slonkie, most of the burning / iso mounting proprietary apps use crappy formats, and of course these formats never end up in opensource apps. iso9660 is _the_ standard iso format and they should _not_ name iso/bin a file that is not iso9660 | 23:14 |
Slonkie | Okay | 23:15 |
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