[00:01] <carolija> hmm, look nice and i'd like to try
[00:01] <carolija> just where to download it ?
[00:02] <carolija> I have just this opetions :
[00:02] <carolija> Which release do you want?
[00:02] <carolija> Kubuntu 9.04 - Featuring the cutting edge KDE 4 and maintained until 2010 Kubuntu 8.04 - Featuring the mature KDE 3 and maintained until October 2009
[00:02] <carolija> I already have kubuntu 8.04
[00:02] <Shadoze> http://apt.pearsoncomputing.net/counter/click.php?id=21
[00:02] <Shadoze> oops
[00:03] <Shadoze> go http://apt.pearsoncomputing.net/cdimages/
[00:03] <Shadoze> then downlaod the x86 one
[00:04] <gracisass> hey i am getting a grub ERROR 17 can anyone help me with this?
[00:04] <gracisass> and when i fdisk my /dev/sda it doesn't show the partitions inside the extended partition
[00:14] <Paquito> Hi!
[00:15] <Shadoze> Hey!
[00:15] <Guest41736> hi
[00:15] <Shadoze> hi
[00:16] <Guest41736> how's the free irc world doing
[00:17] <Shadoze> Pretty good cheers
[00:18] <Shadoze> (not that i'm the entire free software world ;) )
[00:24] <carolija> Downloaded
[00:24] <carolija> now just to burn it and install
[00:25] <Shadoze> awesome! brb in 5 getting a drink ;)
[00:28] <carolija> bring for mr yoo some :p
[00:28] <carolija> me too *
[00:28] <carolija> lol
[00:28] <carolija> seen sea_master
[00:28] <carolija> !seen sea_master
[00:28] <carolija> !brb
[00:28] <carolija> !sea_master
[00:29] <carolija> !technikk
[00:33] <carolija> is this KDE 3.5 ?   kubuntu-9.04-kde3-desktop-i386.iso
[00:35] <carolija> Official Kubuntu support | Kubuntu 9.04 Released http://www.kubuntu.org/news/9.04-release | FAQ: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/FAQ | Free 9.04 (KDE 4) CDs https://shipit.kubuntu.org | KDE 4.2.3 for 9.04 http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.2.3 | Pastes: http://paste.ubuntu.com | Chat in #kubuntu-offtopic | Do not install KDE 4.3 beta unless you are an experienced user, there still are packaging issues
[00:37] <Shadoze> Kde 3.5
[00:37] <Shadoze> you can run kde 4 apps fine in kde 3
[00:57] <Phibes> hi, im trying to run an old windows game, AoE2, and the panel keeps getting in the way for the game to get in fullscreen mode
[00:57] <rmattb> any guestimates on when issues Torvalds mentioned with KDE will be improved?
[00:57] <Shadoze> That happened to me on l4d
[00:58] <Phibes> Oh... I think it might be easier to find something for L4D Shadoze
[00:58] <Shadoze> Nah, i got it fixed in the end :) now runs perfect
[00:58] <Phibes> how?
[00:59] <rayscty> hey
[00:59] <Shadoze> Emulated a desktop thingy in wine as 800x600 then reverted back
[00:59] <Shadoze> seemed to work
[00:59] <Shadoze> anyhow theres a new wine relase perhaps your problems gone in that?
[00:59] <Phibes> heh, gonna try that now...
[01:00] <Phibes> nope...
[01:00] <Shadoze> =[ im not really sure
[01:00] <Shadoze> byt my panel no longer gets in the way
[01:00] <Shadoze> it did used too
[01:02] <Phibes> yeah... also with 1280x1024 emulated screen.. still in the way
[01:04] <Shadoze> >.<
[01:04] <Shadoze> my resolution is 1024x768 ;)
[01:05] <Phibes> well... for hl2 based games its also 1024x768
[01:05] <Phibes> but for Age of empires II...
[01:06] <Phibes> LOL
[01:06] <Phibes> now my screen is 800x600 because i killed an ingame aoe2 game...
[01:06] <Matisse> is there another display configuration file like /etc/X11/xorg.conf  ?
[01:07] <Phibes> anyways... bye!
[01:07] <Shadoze> not sure sorry
[01:09] <Shadoze> Anyone knoq where the kcolouredit documentation is?
[01:09] <Shadoze> icant find it
[01:09] <Shadoze> Nevermind
[01:10] <Shadoze> must have misread ;)
[01:10] <astrobear> what program does kde use to change the keyboard layout?
[01:11] <Matisse> system settings will activate the needed prog
[01:22] <CoJaBo-Aztec> Does Kubuntu have an estimated time for copying a file?
 you can run kde 4 apps fine in kde 3
[01:25] <Shadoze> That;s right :)
[01:25] <carolija> i can't start installation, don't know fucking why of the distro what u gave to me, i just burned the disk and i went to the installation question
[01:25] <CoJaBo-Aztec> How do I get it to show the estimated time when copying a file like in previous versions?
[01:25] <valerio> hi guys,
[01:25] <carolija> then pushed install ... and i sow just the black screen
[01:25] <Shadoze> I gave you Kubuntu 9.04 3.5 remix
[01:26] <carolija> are i sow sometimes this ?
[01:26] <Shadoze> ?
[01:26] <carolija> I know, just its strange
[01:26] <Valeaustralia> may i have some support please?
[01:26] <Shadoze> so it just gave you a black screen?
[01:26] <Valeaustralia> i'm a newbie
[01:26] <carolija> i klik on install and i got black screen
[01:26] <Shadoze> try booting it in safe graphics mdoe
[01:26] <carolija> yea,  but keyboard was not blockd
[01:26] <Shadoze> :s
[01:26] <Shadoze> How vale?
[01:27] <carolija> ill try ... have hediche ;D
[01:27] <Shadoze> @ carolija, try booting it in safe graphicvs
[01:27] <Valeaustralia> well, i installed right now my printer...samsung clx-2160
[01:27] <Shadoze> =-[
[01:27] <Valeaustralia> Shadoze_: the printer work fine now i woul like to know i i can test the scanner
[01:28] <zemun> hi
[01:28] <Valeaustralia> i have ubuntu 9.04 64 bit
odakle si
[01:29] <carolija> zemun, you have PM
[01:29] <Shadoze> Vale im afraid i'm not sure, i dont have any of those tools :S
[01:29] <zemun> what is PM
[01:30] <Shadoze> I would google, kde4 testing scanner
[01:30] <Valeaustralia> well, via ubuntu how i can test the scanner? so how i can launch a scan
[01:31] <Shadoze> my hero! lol
[01:32] <xjjk> Valeaustralia: there's a scanner tool...
[01:33] <Valeaustralia> xjjk_: where? please i told u it is my first time on linux
[01:33] <xjjk> Valeaustralia: trying to look it up
[01:34] <Valeaustralia> Xsane?
[01:34] <xjjk> Valeaustralia: no, there's a newer KDE4 one
[01:34] <xjjk> it's not very well known
[01:34] <xjjk> it's called scan4light or skan4light or something very similar
[01:34] <Shadoze> ign, could you give me that printscreen command again :( i dida fresh install and forgot to sae it to a file! :(
[01:34] <Valeaustralia> ok, i'll try
[01:35] <xjjk> Valeaustralia: that's not the name since I'm not finding anything about it on Google, however...
[01:35] <xjjk> Valeaustralia: there's nothing stopping you from using XSane of course, it'll also work
[01:35] <Valeaustralia> ok, i'll see, i make some test now, thansk for now
[01:36] <xjjk> Valeaustralia: skanlite
[01:45] <draik> ign0ramus: I GOT IT! My script works now. I'm on script 3 now. :)
[01:46] <Valeaustralia> may i have some help on vitual box 2.2?
[01:46] <xjjk> Valeaustralia: don't ask whether you can ask... just ask
[01:46] <xjjk> if someone can help you they will
[01:46] <Valeaustralia> ok, thanks,
[01:47] <Valeaustralia> i install that, but i don't know with when i click on the icon it doesn't run!
[01:47] <draik> ign0ramus: I have my first script automating certain things like run update/upgrade, create a backup of installed apps from apt-get, check du and RAM. Got more I want to add, but I'm somewhat brain dead from all the times I bashed my head against the wall trying to figure out my syntax issues.
[01:48] <draik> Valeaustralia: You have to install it again. Be sure to compile with the latest kernel. It's a pain, but that's what you have to do.
[01:49] <Valeaustralia> I installed by download the package and opened with gdebi is that ok?
[01:49] <draik> Valeaustralia: I download and then install through CLI
[01:50] <Valeaustralia> CLI?
[01:51] <phh> Valeaustralia: command line interface
[01:51] <Valeaustralia> ok, via terminal
[01:51] <Valeaustralia> mmmm... :( !!
[01:51] <phh> not exactly, that's why cli is a better time :)
[01:51] <Valeaustralia> it's hard this linux!!
[01:51] <Valeaustralia> :P
[01:52] <draik> Valeaustralia: Give it some time and it will grow on you. CLI will get any and every thing handled.
[01:52] <Shadoze> Vale, it may be hard at the beggining, but if you truely want to learn about linux and computers, it's really worth it!
[01:53] <draik> Valeaustralia: I've been using Kubuntu since June 1, 2006. Never had a regret and using CLI was something I've been wanting to do.
[01:53] <CoJaBo-Aztec> Some linux software is a real pain to install tho lol
[01:53] <phh> Valeaustralia: terminals are actually devices, usually with a serial port and really old, with just curses available
[01:53] <Valeaustralia> yeah, of course, u know everithing is started because again win make me lose 320 gig of datas!
[01:53] <phh> what we usually call terminals now, is "terminal emulator" (and most of them actually use that name)
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[01:54] <CoJaBo-Aztec> phh: A terminal is a place at an airport.
[01:54] <CoJaBo-Aztec> lol
[01:55] <phh> well, that's also true.
[01:55] <draik> CoJaBo-Aztec: I travel every 2-3 months. Terminal to is my freedom waiting room at the airport.
[01:55] <Valeaustralia> well wich one is the string for install a package via console?
[01:56] <draik> ...to ME is...
[01:56] <CoJaBo-Aztec> How do I get Kubuntu Jaunty to show the estimated time when copying a file?
[01:56] <draik> Valeaustralia: Depends. dpkg -i <package> for .deb files
[01:57] <draik> CoJaBo-Aztec: Use verbose.    cp -v FileHere FileThere
[01:57] <Valeaustralia> this is the file:"virtualbox-2.2_2.2.2-46594_Ubuntu_jaunty_amd64.deb" i have to open terminal, find the path and use that command right?
[01:57] <CoJaBo-Aztec> draik: When copying in GUI I mean (in CLI would also be useful too, but -v only shows the names)
[01:58] <draik> CoJaBo-Aztec: It comes up automatically for me as (I) at the bottom of the screen. Check your notifications section in System Settings
[01:59] <CoJaBo-Aztec> draik: It shows everything but estimated time
[01:59] <draik> Valeaustralia: Yes. You will want to do     sudo dpkg -i virtualbox-2.2_2.2.2-46594_Ubuntu_jaunty_amd64.deb
[01:59] <Valeaustralia> i have done now, everithing is ok, but...when i click on that icon nothing happen, won't load
[02:00] <draik> Valeaustralia: What icon? The .deb file?
[02:00] <Valeaustralia> no, the execution icon, the one for run the program
[02:01] <draik> Valeaustralia: Run it through Konsole/Terminal. It will give you the error message there.
[02:01] <draik> CoJaBo-Aztec: Sorry, don't know what else to tell you about it.
[02:02] <draik> To all that know how to write bash scripts... What is the entry for opening a new window or tab in konsole/terminal?
[02:03] <draik> phh: Thanks for the history lesson. Good to know the origins of things.
[02:03] <Valeaustralia> draik_: how i can do that? via terminal? how i can execute and application?
[02:03] <draik> Valeaustralia: Yes, through Terminal. Just enter the app name.
[02:05] <Valeaustralia> so, virtualbox...it tell me that the virtualbox software is not actually installed, it is possible to install by typing sudo apt-get install virtualbox.ose....   bash:virtualbox:command not found
[02:05] <CoJaBo-Aztec> draik: Do you have a screenshot of what its supposed to look like?
[02:07] <draik> Valeaustralia: Yes, you can install the one in the repos.
[02:07] <draik> CoJaBo-Aztec: I'm using Ubuntu Server 9.04... not much of a GUI or a screenshot right now.
[02:08] <Valeaustralia> draik_:that is the error message that it tell me
[02:08] <draik> Valeaustralia: whereis virtualbox
[02:08] <draik> Type that into Terminal
[02:09] <CoJaBo-Aztec> draik: On kubuntu 9.04 there isnt an estimated time in the GUI, is there an option to show it or is it yet another feature that disapeared from previous versions??
[02:09] <draik> More than likely, it is in    /usr/share/virtualbox
[02:09] <Valeaustralia> virtualbox: /usr/lib/virtualbox /usr/lib64/virtualbox /usr/share/virtualbox
[02:10] <draik> CoJaBo-Aztec: Come to think of it, I don't think there is a timer. It's been a while since I've used the GUI and even more since I've had to copy things from the GUI.
[02:10] <draik> Valeaustralia: Type this:     /usr/share/virtualbox
[02:11] <Valeaustralia> ok, i'm in the directonry
[02:11] <draik> O.o
[02:11] <draik> Valeaustralia: That's not a directory, that's the path for the app
[02:12] <Valeaustralia> ah, sorry, just a sec
[02:13] <Valeaustralia> so, i have to type to the terminal... :                     /usr/share/virtualbox ?
[02:13] <draik> Yes
[02:14] <laptop> hello everyone
[02:14] <Valeaustralia> it tell me that that path is a directory and that's it
[02:14] <laptop> anyone from florida
[02:16] <draik> Valeaustralia: Hmmm... I thought that was the app. Then I don't know where it si.
[02:16] <draik> is, even
[02:17] <Betus> hi, good nigth, i have a problem, I cant listen any sound, and i cant  put play in any software
[02:17] <iivv_> can anyone help with USBView?
[02:19] <laptop> have a new user group in so florida, to sign up  just go to  http://cslug.homelinux.org/wiki
[02:20] <Betus> hi, good nigth, i have a problem, I cant listen any sound, and I cant reproduce music in all software. My english is very poor
[02:20] <draik> iivv_: Your question is slightly vague.
[02:20] <draik> Betus: No need to repeat your question. If someone can help, they will.
[02:21] <iivv_> draik: well, i have a usb hub i'm trying to troubleshoot, and i've been told that USBView would allow me to look at the controller on the device
[02:22] <iivv_> and usbview seems to have a problem, it says i might not have usb compiled into my kernel
[02:22] <draik> iivv_: If something is plugged into the hub, then it should read. Otherwise, it will just sit there, IIRC. Try adding something to the hub.
[02:22] <Betus> draik: thanks you, I trying to write in english, so I reformulate my question to you understand me
[02:23] <iivv_> "cannot open file /proc/bus/usb/devices"... ok i'll try that
[02:23] <Valeaustralia> welll, by the way... thanks for all
[02:23] <draik> Betus: No problem. Someone will answer you, good English or not, if they can help.
[02:23] <phh> iivv_: sudo mount -tusbfs none /proc/bus/usb
[02:23] <phh> and maybe run usbview as root
[02:24] <draik> Hey there ign0ramus
[02:24] <ign0ramus> draik, sup man.
[02:24] <ign0ramus> draik, did you get your script working?
[02:24] <draik> ign0ramus: Yes.
[02:25] <ign0ramus> draik, can i see it?
[02:25] <draik> ign0ramus: Only if you're ready to kick yourself for the lack of ONE 4-letter entry that I forgot at the end.
[02:25] <ign0ramus> draik, esac?
[02:25] <draik> Yup
[02:25] <ign0ramus> hahaha oh no
[02:26] <draik> I know, right?
[02:26] <ign0ramus> draik, well let me see what the end result was anyway
[02:26] <draik> Sure. One sec
[02:26] <ign0ramus> draik, i was messing around with it myself for a while this morning
[02:26] <phh> iivv_: so ?
[02:27] <iivv_> phh: thanks a lot-- USBView's actually showing some info now, although it still doesn't seem to detect this particular hub
[02:27] <phh> ok
[02:27] <phh> iivv_: it's maybe just braindead
[02:28] <ign0ramus> would fdisk show if an inserted SD card is recognized by the system?
[02:29] <iivv_> phh: perhaps, but i've got the hub's guts opened up, and the wiring within it is all done with enameled wires--
[02:29] <phh> ign0ramus: fdisk -l if run as root, it should
[02:29] <phh> (maybe with error if there is no partition table on it)
[02:29] <iivv_> wonder if somewhere the enamel rubbed off and shorted out. thanks for the help. . .
[02:29] <draik> ign0ramus: I had such an odd laugh when I finished. I wasn't sure if it was from happiness from the end of my brain cell holocaust or if I had exhausted all other expressions (confusion, frustration, anger, rage, then depressed sadness from realizing the one missing entry).
[02:29] <ign0ramus> phh, then my kernel is not reading it :(
[02:29] <ign0ramus> draik, it was a head-scratcher for sure
[02:29] <phh> ign0ramus: it's a integrated one ?
[02:30] <phh> (meaning no usb adapter)
[02:30] <CoJaBo-Aztec> draik: There was a timer in previous versions of Kubuntu, any idea why it was removed?
[02:30] <ign0ramus> phh, yup
[02:31] <phh> ign0ramus: try a bit of google, these devices are supported, but you need to load the good module by yourself, if i remember correctly at least.
[02:31] <ign0ramus> phh, it probably has to do with the 2.6.30rc6 kernel... I'll install a 'supported' one and try that first.  thanks, though.
[02:31] <draik> ign0ramus: http://pastbin.com/5a904adf
[02:31] <phh> or find /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/ -name \*mmc\* and try loading every answer
[02:32] <draik> Whoops
[02:32] <draik> ign0ramus: http://pastebin.com/5a904adf
[02:32] <phh> ign0ramus: you built it by yourself ?
[02:32] <ign0ramus> phh, no, there's a ppa for it
[02:33] <ign0ramus> draik, no idea why, but that page is giving me a blank screen in Firefox and Konqueror
[02:33] <Valeaustralia> I'm in a directory where there is install.sh, why it tell me that that file it doesn't exist?
[02:33] <ign0ramus> draik, the corrected one, i mean... not working
[02:33] <draik> Odd
[02:33] <draik> Let me check the link
[02:33] <phh> ign0ramus: then i'd guess it won't make any difference, but you can give it a try
[02:33] <draik> ign0ramus: http://pastebin.com/m5a904adf
[02:34] <draik> Seems that I missed another character
[02:34] <ign0ramus> phh, i'll look into it; it was working fine in Hardy
[02:34] <ign0ramus> draik, got it.
[02:34] <draik> :)
[02:34] <phh> ign0ramus: if you still have hardy (livecd or installed), do lsmod and diff it
[02:35] <ign0ramus> phh, good call
[02:35] <draik> ign0ramus: I've expanded on a few things and cut back on cluter
[02:35] <phh> draik: why don't you print the -/+ buffer/cache line ?
[02:35] <phh> it's the most interesting one /o\
[02:35] <ign0ramus> draik, holy crap it works! :D
[02:35] <ign0ramus> alright, i'm outta here
[02:36] <ign0ramus> didn't even mean to sign in... rebooted and it restored my session.  off for scotch!
[02:36] <ign0ramus> draik - talk to you soon
[02:36] <draik> phh: I've never used it outside of that method.
[02:37] <phh> draik: you mean you never used that line of free, or that command ?
[02:37] <draik> phh: I'm hoping to expand and add more options, but I'm at a dead end for what else to include.
[02:37] <Valeaustralia> I'm in a directory where there is install.sh, why it tell me that that file it doesn't exist?
[02:37] <draik> phh: I've only used 'free -om'
[02:37] <phh> draik: just drop the 'o' :)
[02:38] <phh> it will give you one line more:
[02:38] <phh> -/+ buffers/cache:        360        642
[02:38] <draik> phh: I know.
[02:38] <phh> ok.
[02:38] <phh> so why drop this line from the output ?
[02:38] <draik> Just for you, buddy ;)
[02:38] <draik> It has been added
[02:39] <draik> Or removed, whichever works
[02:39] <phh> and another thing, maybe it's wanted, but you won't show hidden files with the 3)  command
[02:39] <phh> (and i often see that biggest files are hidden... Hi wine !)
[02:40] <draik> phh: Thanks. What do I do to include hidden files/folders?
[02:40] <phh> draik: i don't know clean methods, what i usually do is ~/* ~/.??*
[02:41] <phh> but then folders with only one letter after the dot won't be shown :/
[02:41] <draik> So why not just ~/.*
[02:41] <phh> draik: because ~/.. matches it :-)
[02:42] <draik> phh: :( Forgot about that. Thanks.
[02:42] <phh> but i works, you'll just have a junk line
[02:42] <phh> +t
[02:42] <draik> I'll look into that. Thanks for the heads up on that.
[02:42] <phh> (and some more IOs according to how many users)
[02:47] <phh> draik: find ~ -maxdepth 1 -not -name $(basename ~) -exec echo du -sm \{\} \; |sort -nr
[02:47] <phh> this seems to work
[02:47] <phh> but i'm not really sure
[02:48] <phh> hum, drop the "echo" after -execv
[02:49] <phh> typos are telling me to go sleeping.
[02:50] <draik> phh: I'll work with it. That seems to work.
[02:57] <draik> phh: removed 'o' from free, updated 3) and made the exit nicer    echo "Bye $USER" && exit ;;
[02:59] <draik> phh: I don't suppose you know how to open a new tab/window through bash scripting, do you?
[03:01] <CPrgmSwR2> annyone know what package contains mysql.data.dll
[03:13] <mmmiiikkkeee> If I am writing a kde based program, would it make sence to use "kde emerge for windows" to get it to compile in windows? as far as I have read emerge can be used to compile a apps that are part of kde for windows, but what about my little app that is not officaly part of kde?
[03:16] <bazhang> ##windows mmmiiikkkeee
[03:22] <mmmiiikkkeee> bazhang: I don't mean to be stupid, but how do I change the irc channel in quassel; and your likely right i should go ask in #windows or #kdedevel
[03:23] <mmmiiikkkeee> never mind
[03:23] <mmmiiikkkeee> i got it
[03:23] <mmmiiikkkeee> the little "join" button
[03:24] <bazhang> okay
[03:24] <jimmo> okay
[03:24] <mmmiiikkkeee> i was looking in the configuration dialog... silly me
[03:24] <mmmiiikkkeee> thanks a bunch
[03:31] <iivv> !compiz
[04:08] <draik> phh: How do I create a loop for a command? I want to have one command repeat itself over and over.
[04:11] <SetiAmon> hey
[04:11] <SetiAmon> I just switched from gnome to kde,how do i get the desktop icons back that were on the top left
[04:12] <draik> SetiAmon: There is no 'desktop' in KDE.
[04:13] <draik> SetiAmon: You will want to drag and drop the icons from your K Menu onto your workspace.
[04:13] <SetiAmon> you know when it loads up there is a section with all my icons on the desktop,i closed that,how do I get it back
[04:14] <draik> SetiAmon: Icons or the files which are in your ~/Desktop directory?
[04:15] <SetiAmon> yes the ~/desktop icons.I  mean the ones that load up on my desktop
[04:15] <SetiAmon> I just switcehd from gnome to kde
[04:15] <draik> OK. Then you want to have the Folder Viewer widget on your desktop and set it to your ~/Desktop directory
[04:15] <draik> Click on the cashew from the top right corner, unlock widgets, then choose Add Widget.
[04:16] <draik> From the list, click on the plus '+' to add it to your workspace.
[04:16] <draik> IIRC, it's about half way down the list.
[04:19] <SetiAmon> Dig
[04:19] <SetiAmon> Thanks i'll try that
[04:19] <SetiAmon> thats great and all but
[04:20] <SetiAmon> i'm talking about the icons that came when i first booted,The ones on the top left on the desktop i closed that accidentally when messing around and would just like to know how to load that up
[04:21] <draik> SetiAmon: What icons were they?
[04:28] <SetiAmon> I'll figure that out i guess.how about just moving widgets around,i can't drag and move the widgets were I want them?
[04:29] <SetiAmon> am i connected
[04:31] <SetiAmon> just the ones from my kde desktop
[04:31] <SetiAmon> I closed them i guess.new to kde is all
[04:31] <SetiAmon> I'll figure it out
[04:31] <SetiAmon> but you know whats really irritating me
[04:32] <SetiAmon> I can't drag and drop my widgets anywhere?I don't like this kde just puts the widgets were it wants to,how to i move them?
[04:36] <draik> SetiAmon: Be sure your widgets are unlocked. Go to the top right and click on the cashew. Choose unlock widgets. To move them, put your mouse over the widget and give it a second or two for the tab to show on the side. From there, drag and drop to your heart's content.
[04:40] <SetiAmon> it says "lock" so i imagine it is unlocked
[04:40] <SetiAmon> Oh wait
[04:41] <SetiAmon> Still
[04:41] <SetiAmon> Still not letting me move my icons around,widgets
[04:43] <arkanabar> where are you grabbing them?  I have to grab my unified system monitor widget by its edge.
[04:44] <meddle_> hello
[04:44] <arkanabar> the weather and analog clock widgets I can grab anywhere.
[04:44] <SetiAmon> Draik that is what i was doing just not "sticking" to any of the panels
[04:44] <arkanabar> oh, I have them on the desktop.
[04:44] <meddle_> hay alguien hay ???
[04:45] <draik> !es | meddle_
[04:45] <SetiAmon> the widgets are going BEHIND the panels?
[04:46] <SetiAmon> What i'm trying to do is to place my widgets in the panels,move them around,should be simple but the widgets are going behind the panels,not sticking to it and the widgets on the panel are not letting me move them around,everything is unlocked
[04:47] <arkanabar> I just figured that out.  Open Panel Settings, and then you can left-click your widgets to drag them around.
[04:48] <arkanabar> SetiAmon: is that working for  you as well?
[04:49] <SetiAmon> nope
[04:49] <SetiAmon> I open panel settings and all,but the widgets are not clicking into the panels,i can't move the ones on the panel either
[04:49] <SetiAmon> U neab
[04:49] <SetiAmon> I mean
[04:49] <SetiAmon> I can move the widgets
[04:49] <SetiAmon> but they are not docking
[04:50] <arkanabar> click them again to release them, maybe?
[04:51] <SetiAmon> Hmm no i see what you mean by panel settings.i can move things around a little
[04:51] <SetiAmon> but i can't for instance drag them off the panel onto the desk top or from the desktop to the panel.or really much flexiability with moving them around the panel
[04:52] <arkanabar> nope.  you have to use the desktop cashew in the upper right corner to summon desktop widgets.
[04:53] <SetiAmon> Hmm.and what about dragging icons off the menu's and onto the desktop like firefox,seems I can't do that either?
[04:53] <SetiAmon> shesh maybe i should go back to gnome
[04:54] <arkanabar> no, you click the cashew, select "add widgets", pick the one you want to add out of the list, and click "add" at the bottom
[04:55] <arkanabar> seriously, the best reason to use either KDE or Gnome is that you like it better.
[04:55] <SetiAmon> its just a little frusterating
[04:55] <arkanabar> I used KDE 3.x happily for years in PCLOS.  I used Gnome happily in Mint 6.0
[04:55] <SetiAmon> KDE looks better but i think gnome handles better so far
[04:55] <arkanabar> Learning is often frustrating.
[04:56] <ronix> hello
[04:56] <arkanabar> I'm actually interested in trying all the little casual games that KDE has over gnome.
[04:56] <arkanabar> I'll have to install them, they aren't in Kubuntu by default.
[04:56] <ronix> gnome vs kde ilike gnome
[04:57] <SetiAmon> gnome is pretty ugly though
[04:57] <arkanabar> I like em both, but I am *really* lookin forward to Lubuntu.
[04:57] <SetiAmon> Lubuntu?
[04:57] <SetiAmon> what windows manager does that use
[04:57] <arkanabar> LXDE
[04:57] <arkanabar> Lightweight X11 Desktop Environment.
[04:58] <arkanabar> LXpanel, Openbox, PCmanFM, LXterm, not sure of the rest.
[04:58] <SetiAmon> brb
[04:59] <Demonicdata> now what was Lubuntu
[05:00] <bazhang> #lubuntu
[05:00] <bazhang> lxde and Ubuntu
[05:00] <bazhang> !info lxde
[05:00] <arkanabar> There's a community, U-lite, that was gonna do that, but I don't think they got it going w/ Intrepid before Jaunty released.
[05:01] <draik> Quick bash scripting question. Does the local variable carry to another konsole tab?
[05:02] <Demonicdata> I don't see the point of going light these days i saw a terrabyte HD at best by for 100$ I mean shesh i havn't even filled up this 250 gig
[05:03] <arkanabar> I have 1.5Mb of ram and play WoW.  I have run out of ram a couple times in just the last week.
[05:03] <draik> Demonicdata: I'm on 4HDD - 1TB, 500GB, 250GB and 80GB on one desktop.
[05:03] <draik> s/4HDD/4 HDD
[05:03] <Demonicdata> Shesh
[05:03] <arkanabar> er, no, that's 1.5 GB of ram.  Still, running out of ram is no fun at all.
[05:03] <Demonicdata> how much can you torrent man?
[05:04] <Demonicdata> 4 Gigs ram here,but 250 gigs of hd
[05:04] <draik> arkanabar: I saw that and I just knew that's not right and figured you meant GB, not MB
[05:04] <draik> Desktop has 4GB, but it's a 32-bit system so it only reads 3GB
[05:04] <Demonicdata> Yeah thats why i went x64 this time.
[05:05] <Demonicdata> I haven't really had any problem,I had to download and install beta flash and beta x-fi drivers but thats it
[05:05] <arkanabar> heh, the RAM limit includes the ram on your GPU.
[05:05] <draik> Well, 2GB packages were on sale and it blurred out the fact that my computer can only read 3GB (mobo 4GB).
[05:05] <Demonicdata> yeah
[05:06] <arkanabar> There's a bunch of distros now that have 64 bit kernels.
[05:07] <arkanabar> is there a RAM usage widget?  I haven't found one yet.
[05:09] <Demonicdata> I have to admit i just don't like KDE i think I get around easier in gnome.
[05:09] <Demonicdata> i can' try out a few more desktop managers also,whats xubuntu windows manager?Xtce right?
[05:09] <draik> xfce, yes.
[05:10] <arkanabar> it's a total pig.  The gnome desktop is much more cleanly implemented.
[05:10] <yao_ziyuan> if i run gnome-settings-daemon at kde startup,
[05:10] <yao_ziyuan> does it mean it will also automatically start all enabled gnome services?
[05:10] <arkanabar> you're better off with a minimal install and adding vanilla xfce.
[05:11] <arkanabar> there was a howto a week or two ago in distrowatch weekly.
[05:13] <Betus> hola
[05:13] <Demonicdata> I'm downloading xubuntu as i'm going to reinstall linux in a about 11 days anyhow to place full disk encryption
[05:13] <arkanabar> or you can just sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[05:14] <Demonicdata> thats what i'm doing
[05:14] <Demonicdata> I'm thinking of moving to fedora 11 though
[05:16] <arkanabar> I plan to try that out too.  I'll probably go gnome again, or maybe lxde.  there are keybinding issues when playing WoW in xfce.
[05:16] <Demonicdata> that sucks
[05:16] <Demonicdata> At least you got wow working,i haven't played any games in linux
[05:16] <Demonicdata> haven't really felt to,but if i do its good that there are gamers
[05:16] <arkanabar> imagine you're playing a rogue on desktop 3, and you hit ctrl-f1 to stealth... and you switch to desktop 1 instead.
[05:17] <Demonicdata> Yeah i'm going to go with gnome also,it doesn't look at nice as kde but kde seems uh convoluted so far.Downloading Xubuntu
[05:18] <Demonicdata> seeing how tha XTCE is,is there any other desktop packages I can try out?
[05:18] <Demonicdata> So to play WoW do you use Cadega?
[05:18] <arkanabar> you might try CrunchBang linux.  It's another openbox desktop, respun from ubuntu.
[05:19] <arkanabar> no, vanilla development Wine works, especially if you read up at winehq.org
[05:19] <Demonicdata> I haven't used wine really
[05:19] <Demonicdata> Its kind of a security risk isn't it
[05:19] <arkanabar> if it didn't, I might consider cedega or crossover games.
[05:20] <Demonicdata> I downloaded leaktest from grc to see if it would work,clicking on it brought up wine which it called out and revealed my ip
[05:20] <arkanabar> ppl have gotten windows viruses in wine.
[05:20] <Demonicdata> HAH what does that do?
[05:20] <Demonicdata> the main reason i went back to linux is i had to reformat my HD 5 times and install xp over and over again,I lost gigs of music,books,videogames
[05:20] <arkanabar> hasn't happened to me.  I keep my firewall up, and don't do any surfing or email in wine.
[05:21] <Demonicdata> I found out the virus infection kept coming from someones Ipod they kept coming over and using our computer,imagine that
[05:21] <arkanabar> Jeez, what AV were you using?
[05:21] <Demonicdata> Trend micro
[05:21]  * arkanabar shrugs
[05:21] <Demonicdata> which was pretty good.also had a bunch of spyware programs
[05:22] <arkanabar> I used to use AVG free and Avast.  How did Trend manage to not have the definition of this virus, or not check docked ipods?
[05:22] <Demonicdata> in the end i had pirated a dozen spyware programs,spyware doctor,ca pest patrol etc,all the best ones but i said screw this,constantly scanning for viruses,updating,most of my startup programs were antivirus
[05:23] <arkanabar> most of my win2kpro software was security hotfixes.
[05:23] <Demonicdata> It didn't keep up with the virus,it spread fast,infected everything.I kept clicking "clean" but it couldn't clean it
[05:23] <Demonicdata> So whats so bad about XTCE?
[05:23] <arkanabar> bleah!  one AV shield is not enough, that's why I had the top 2 free ones.
[05:24] <arkanabar> Oh, xfce has plenty of fans, it's just not for me.
[05:24] <Demonicdata> Arkanabar:yeah thats why i reformated my hd and installed linux.
[05:24] <arkanabar> but xubuntu-desktop is another matter.  IMX, it's crap.
[05:25] <arkanabar> in fact, I know of nothing it does as well as ubuntu-gnome.
[05:25] <Demonicdata> Why I'm almost done with downloading xubuntu desktop
[05:25] <arkanabar> ymmv, but I really didn't like it.
[05:25] <Demonicdata> Dig i'll try it out then go back to gnome till fedora,and when i get fedora i'll get the Gnome manager
[05:26] <arkanabar> http://distrowatch.com:80/weekly.php?issue=20090427
[05:27] <arkanabar> that compares xubuntu w/ debian + vanilla xfce.
[05:27] <arkanabar> the week after, they did the howto for adding vanilla xfce to minimal jaunty.
[05:29] <arkanabar> I'd probably be happier w/ minimal jaunty + vanilla KDE than kubuntu, but I can't get any of my USB ports to go active prior to boot.
[05:29] <arkanabar> and I don't have anything I can burn a minimal or alternate install ISO onto.
[05:32] <zethero1> what program is used for recording sound?
[05:32] <zethero1> alternative to sound-recorder in Ubuntu
[05:32] <zethero1> ...
[05:34] <zethero1> I have installed sound-recorder and cannot find it in the K-menu ...
[05:34] <zethero1> whats with that?
[05:34] <zethero1> seems to happen a little too often
[06:38] <iivv__> how do i set the default programs in firefox for kubuntu?
[06:40] <p_quarles> iivv__: more specifically?
[06:41] <iivv__> for example, when i download a torrent file, i would like firefox to automatically suggest i open it with ktorrent
[06:42] <iivv__> i've gone to the settings in firefox, but i can't find the programs..
[06:42] <iivv__> for example, i want to affiliate .asx files with dragonplayer
[06:42] <iivv__> but where can i find the actual application?
[06:44] <brain> whereis dragonplayer
[06:44] <brain> in console
[06:46] <iivv__> brain: thanks-- that works for my other applications, but it can't find dragonplayer, dragon player, or dragon\ player
[06:46] <brain> open the shell and write whereis gragonplayer     -- whereis filezilla   or something like this
[06:46] <brain> maybee its not the right name
[06:47] <brain> look un usr/share?
[06:59] <huangzhongbai> QUIT
[07:12] <b2oba57> /mode $B2oba57 +x
[07:12] <b2oba57> arff
[07:21] <Mindblade16> hello
[07:21] <Mindblade16> I installed wine, but I still can't  run .exe files
[07:57] <adasz> by my system gnome loads with boot but but it shoult be kde
[08:36] <jayson> hrm
[08:50] <simone> ciao
[08:50] <simone> list!
[08:52] <Mamarok> simone: this is a support channel, do yu have a question?
[08:52]  * genii feeds Mamarok some coffee and cookies
[08:53] <Mamarok> genii: thx :)
[08:54]  * Mamarok slides a bar of Swiss Chocolate to genii 
[08:54] <genii> Mmmmmm chocolate...
[08:55] <eagles0513875> !it | simone
[08:55] <genii> Mamarok: I've had a too-long day to give support so I figure I'll just feed the troops, etc
[09:11] <Mamarok> genii: have a nice evening then :)
[09:14] <peabody> is there an application like gparted for kde?
[09:14] <peabody> that uses QT and works well
[09:15] <kanonmat> qtparted :)
[09:19] <Robert__> Hello everyone.  I'm wondering if anyone can help me.  I have a compatibility question about an asus motherboard.
[09:20] <Mamarok> !ask | Robert__
[09:21] <Robert__> I need to know if the asus m4a78t-e motherboard has any known compatibility issues with kubuntu 9.04
[09:37] <yao_ziyuan> i don't use any bluetooth devices, and i wonder if removing all these bluetooth kde services can get a better performance?
[09:39] <Mamarok> yao_ziyuan: unlikely, removing pacakges has nothing to do with performance
[09:39] <Mamarok> yao_ziyuan: not running those might
[09:39] <yao_ziyuan> i mean not running them
[09:39] <Mamarok> try it, but even with that, it performs ok here :)
[09:40] <Mamarok> yao_ziyuan: what system do you have?
[09:43] <yao_ziyuan> Mamarok: software or hardware?
[09:45] <Mamarok> yao_ziyuan: hardware
[09:45] <yao_ziyuan> i don't know how to disable all these bluetooth, laptop and avahi services
[09:45] <yao_ziyuan> Mamarok: P4 2.4 GHz CPU with hyperthreading, 1GB RAM, 80 GB internal hard disk
[09:46] <Mamarok> yao_ziyuan: are you running 9.04?
[09:46] <yao_ziyuan> ati radeon 9200 video card with 3d acceleration
[09:46] <yao_ziyuan> yes
[09:46] <Mamarok> and does your ati card work with desktop effects?
[09:46] <yao_ziyuan> i'm slowly building up an opensuse on another partition
[09:46] <yao_ziyuan> yes
[09:46] <Mamarok> astonishing...
[09:47] <yao_ziyuan> but even kubuntu developers admit suse is a lot faster with kde
[09:47] <Mamarok> yao_ziyuan: desktop effects takes away a lot of speed
[09:47] <Mamarok> yao_ziyuan: which kubuntu developers?
[09:47] <yao_ziyuan> i only use the shadow effect
[09:47] <yao_ziyuan> Mamarok: nixternal in #kubuntu-devel, called a traitor
[09:48] <Mamarok> yao_ziyuan: oh come on, I'm in kubuntu-devel too, nobody called him a traitor, at least not amongst the devs
[09:49] <yao_ziyuan> quote: (11:10:01 AM) nixternal: openSUSE blows our doors off, and Ubuntu's doors off in every aspect related to speed, except of course package management
[09:49] <yao_ziyuan> quote: (11:10:40 AM) nixternal: I am running KDE 4.3 Beta 1 on openSUSE and it is so fast
[09:49] <Mamarok> yao_ziyuan: I don't think that belongs here, it's another channel!
[09:49] <yao_ziyuan> quote: (11:09:45 AM) Hobbsee: nixternal: traitor.  whatever happened to vista?
[09:50] <Mamarok> yao_ziyuan: stop that, please!
[09:50] <yao_ziyuan> stopped.
[09:52] <roboso> ciao
[09:53] <yao_ziyuan> nixternal's stirring words, they spoke to me... and i started adopting suse...
[09:55] <yao_ziyuan> sorry
[09:56] <Mamarok> ok
[09:56] <yao_ziyuan> many times in the past i posted politically incorrect messages on china's forums, especially those university BBSes
[09:57] <yao_ziyuan> i got the same response...
[09:57] <ahmed> hi i have problem with samba everytime i start my kubuntu pc i have to run "sudo /etc/init.d/samba restart" to access shared files on xp pc if i didnt run this command i got an error permission on xp pc how i could solve this problem? I want to ask if samba could run at startup or not?
[09:57] <yao_ziyuan> worse. i got permanently banned from registering new forum accounts.
[09:57] <Mamarok> yao_ziyuan: there are rules for this channel, you can go to #kubuntu-offtopic fr chit chat
[09:58] <yao_ziyuan> ok
[09:58] <Mamarok> yao_ziyuan: here is support only, so respect the rules, please
[09:58] <yao_ziyuan> but #kubuntu-offtopic still doesn't tolerate praises for other distros, right?
[09:58] <Mamarok> yao_ziyuan: read the IRC guidelines
[09:59] <Mamarok> yao_ziyuan: why don't you do thre same in SuSE then? No Kubuntu staff goes bashing there neither, matter of mutual respect
[09:59] <Mamarok> yao_ziyuan: bashing is a NoGo, period.
[09:59] <Mamarok> end of discussion
[10:01] <yao_ziyuan> i see fire in thee. end.
[10:11] <ahmed> hi i have problem with samba everytime i start my kubuntu pc i have to run "sudo /etc/init.d/samba restart" to access shared files on xp pc if i didnt run this command i got an error permission on xp pc how i could solve this problem? I want to ask if samba could run at startup or not?
[10:12] <Mamarok> ahmed: sry, I don't use samba, can't help you
[10:13] <Mamarok> but I'm sure samba can run at startup
[10:13] <Mamarok> !samba
[10:14] <Mamarok> ahmed: you must make sure to activate the share on the XP side too
[10:14] <Mamarok> that's usually the first thing to do
[10:14] <ahmed> Mamarok: its activated it work good after i run this command on kubuntu
[10:16] <Mamarok> ahmed: you should let the system do this, hence install samba in the service list for the startup in SystemSettings
[10:17] <ahmed> Mamarok: how i do this?
[10:18] <Mamarok> ahmed: check the system settings - > advanced tab -> samba settings
[10:18] <ahmed> Mamarok: ok i opened it
[10:20] <ahmed> Mamarok: ok i opened it what i have to do now
[10:22] <Mamarok> ahmed: that was a suggestion from ym sid, I don't use samba, told you I can't really help
[10:22] <Mamarok> ahmed: but you should be able to find this there, or in the Advanced Tab -> Autostart part
[10:22] <ahmed> Mamarok: ok nevermind
[10:29] <ahmed> Mamarok:  I added scribt "sudo /etc/init.d/samba restart"
[10:30] <ahmed> at Advanced Tab -> Autostart
[10:31] <WMP> hi
[10:31] <WMP> I can please for package to this: http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/google+translate+runner?content=105459
[10:31] <WMP> ?
[10:32] <swatto> Could anyone recommend a good easy to use firewall/antivirus for linux please?
[10:32] <WMP> swatto: firewall is default in linux
[10:32] <WMP> swatto: iptable
[10:33] <swatto> WMP: so i dont need to worry about that then?
[10:33] <WMP> worry?
[10:33] <Mamarok> WMP: right click on your dektop -> Add Widgets -> click on the button _>Install new widgets
[10:34] <Mamarok> WMP: if it is in the list, then you can install, else you will have to build it from source
[10:34] <Mamarok> swatto: Kubuntu is by default a closed system
[10:34] <WMP> Mamarok: i must build
[10:35] <mrsmith> prendete in culo
[10:35] <swatto> Mamarok - right ok, thanks :) and also antivirus is not needed?
[10:35] <WMP> Mamarok: http://wklej.org/id/94873/ i have this error
[10:36] <Mamarok> WMP: check the translator widget, I guess that's what you are looking for?
[10:36] <nocturne> Hi!! ^^
[10:36] <Mamarok> swatto: no, normally not, but for extra security (like mail filtering) you can add clamav
[10:37] <swatto> Why is it that there are not as many viruses for linux?
[10:37] <Mamarok> WMP: you need to install the following packages:
[10:37] <Mamarok> kde-devel build-essential
[10:38] <Mamarok> swatto: well, because Linux doesn't allow easily to install malware
[10:38] <Mamarok> installations can only be done by the system administrator
[10:38] <WMP> Mamarok: thx
[10:39] <Mamarok> swatto: there are some proof of concept viruses though
[10:39] <Mamarok> swatto: and be careful with macros in OpenOffice and such
[10:39] <swatto> and i suppose it is also because updates are so frequent
[10:39] <Mamarok> swatto: and do not installed stuff from unknown sources
[10:40] <swatto> but windows vista as UAC that stops software being installed but that still has loads of viruses
[10:40] <Mamarok> swatto: with a little common sense it's easy to avoid malware
[10:40] <Mamarok> swatto: because UAC asks you for everthing, so people tend to just click without checking or disable it
[10:40] <WMP> swatto: you must know bash und scripts programing languages, becouse whan you run danger script, this script can eq. remove your files from /home
[10:41] <Mamarok> WMP: he doesn't have to know that to avoid malware :)
[10:41] <swatto> I was on a website the other day and it showed 10 deadly linux commands
[10:41] <swatto> osix.net
[10:41] <Mamarok> swatto: do *not* repeat those here
[10:41] <swatto> no i wont
[10:41] <WMP> Mamarok: yes
[10:42] <Mamarok> it's the same on all systems, be careful, do not install stuff you do not really know and there is no problem
[10:42] <swatto> what is linux equivalent to windows registry?
[10:42] <Mamarok> swatto: there is none
[10:43] <Mamarok> swatto: the system is basivally very different
[10:43] <Mamarok> swatto: there are the configurations in .kde/share/config/ on the user side
[10:43] <Mamarok> swatto: and the /etc/ stuff on the system side
[10:44] <Mamarok> swatto: and applications are usually installed in /usr/lib/ or such
[10:45] <swatto> ahh i see, thanks Mamarok
[10:45] <Mamarok> swatto: just do not mingle in the system directories and you will have no problems
[10:45] <mehrab> is there any way to install openoffice.org-kde1.3.1 package in kubuntu 9.04? it isn't in repos yet
[10:46] <Mamarok> mehrab: there is a PPA on launchpad for it
[10:46] <Mamarok> mehrab: wait, I'll get it for you
[10:46] <mehrab> thank you
[10:48] <WMP> who know when new drivers to intel 945G?
[10:48] <Mamarok> mehrab: you have to add the following to your sources-list:
[10:48] <Mamarok> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/openoffice-pkgs/ppa/ubuntu jaunty main
[10:48] <Mamarok> WMP: ask Intel :)
[10:48] <WMP> ;)
[10:48] <dabbler> i need a key to use 'deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/ppa/ubuntu jaunty main'
[10:49] <dabbler> can someone help?
[10:49] <Mamarok> !ppa
[10:49] <dabbler> ty
[10:49] <Mamarok> dabbler: where did you get the source from?
[10:49] <dabbler> for KDE4.2.3
[10:50] <Mamarok> dabbler: still, where did you get it from?
[10:50] <WMP> I have this problem: screenshot -> http://wstaw.org/p/9321/
[10:50] <dabbler> Kubuntu website
[10:51] <Mamarok> *arghs*, still no key instructions :(
[10:51] <Mamarok> dabbler, second, I'll tell you...
[10:51] <dabbler> http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.2.3
[10:51] <mehrab> Mamarok: I've already added this source, but it seems it just have updates for openoffice suite and openoffice.org-core, but no updates for openoffice.org-kde package
[10:52] <Mamarok> mehrab: there is no -kde, it uses OpenOffice
[10:52] <Mamarok> mehrab: the openoffice-kde is just the starter for the panel
[10:54] <Mamarok> dabbler: type: gpg --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv 60487016493B3065
[10:54] <Mamarok> dabbler: then gpg --export --armor 60487016493B3065 | sudo apt-key add -
[10:54] <dabbler> great...wil give it a go...ty
[10:54] <Mamarok> dabbler: yw
[10:55] <Mamarok> actually, yaw :)
[10:55] <mehrab> Mamarok: since I upgraded my openoffice to 3.1, it got an ugly look and I think it,s because of not installing openoffice.org-kde since then
[10:55] <Mamarok> mehrab: there is no such package...
[10:56] <Mamarok> mehrab: and it will be discussed during the UDS in Barcelona, so be patient
[10:56] <toby_> When I shift-delete in Dolphin, things are deleted. Just pressing delete doesn't work. I wonder if trash:/ or .trash is missing or somthing
[10:57] <Mamarok> toby_: I don't know you will ahve to look yourself
[10:57] <Mamarok> works here
[10:57] <toby_> What am I looking for? ~/.trash?
[10:57] <Mamarok> but then, I added the shortcut
[10:58] <Mamarok> toby_: I guess it was not set to delete to avoid people deleting stuff too easily
[10:58] <toby_> Mamarok: should .trash exist, and should it be a directory or a symlink?
[10:59] <Mamarok> toby_: no, the trash is .Trash with a capital T
[10:59] <Mamarok> toby_: and it has nothing to do with a symlink, the Trash normally is there, unless you removed it
[11:00] <Mamarok> toby_: go to the title and right click -> Edit, the type trash:/
[11:00] <WMP> Mamarok: I can't compile this ;) http://wklej.org/id/94899/
[11:00] <toby_> I just created ~/.Trash but it hasn't helped. When I delete something I get a KDE notification saying "Moving, Source /home/deletedfile, destination: trash:/deletedfile
[11:01] <Mamarok> WMP: I asked you before: did you look for the translator widget in the widget list on your PC?
[11:01] <Mamarok> WMP: I have it here
[11:02] <Mamarok> WMP: the package is called plasma-widget-translatoid and is in the repos
[11:02] <WMP> Mamarok: translate widget dont work with polish language
[11:02] <toby_> trash:/ shows me ~/.local/share/Trash/files/
[11:03] <toby_> Mamarok: There's a load of old files in there
[11:03] <Mamarok> toby_: that's your trash, yes
[11:04] <Mamarok> toby_: how did you try to delete, was the file selected or did you just point to it with the mouse?
[11:05] <Mamarok> toby_: just pointing on it with the mouse is not enough
[11:05] <Mamarok> as I said, works for me when I have the file selected
[11:05] <toby_> Either right-click "move to wastebin" on the file, or select the file and press the "del" key
[11:05] <toby_> Neither work, both just give me another KDE notification that sits there at 0%
[11:06] <Mamarok> toby_: you must have changed something then, a Global Shortcut or so, it works by default here
[11:06] <Mamarok> toby_: which KDE?
[11:06] <toby_> 4.2.3
[11:06] <toby_> Mamarok:  Aha! Breakthrough!
[11:06] <Mamarok> yep, just tried on the other PC with 4.2.3, worksforme
[11:07] <toby_> I always just cancelled those stuck notifications. This time I left one for several minutes and got a dialogue: "The wastebin has reached its maximum size!
[11:07] <toby_> Cleanup the wastebin manually.
[11:07] <toby_> Doh :)
[11:08] <Mamarok> right, there is an option to empty the trash, would sometimes be a good idea...
[11:08] <Mamarok> toby_: put the trashcan widget in your panel, the right click on it, no need to open Dolphin to do so then
[11:23] <toby_> Mamarok: After a mammoth cleanup it works again now. Thanks for the pointer
[11:24] <WMP> where is installed plasma themes?
[11:25] <Mamarok> WMP: I don't know by heart, would have to search for, somewhere in /usr/share/ I guess
[11:25] <WMP> yhy
[11:25] <Mamarok> WMP: but that should not matter, a user should not go change things there
[11:25] <Mamarok> WMP: the system takes care of
[11:26] <Mamarok> WMP: what do you want to do with installed plasma themese?
[11:26] <Mamarok> themes*
[11:26] <WMP> Mamarok: i compiled ;) this http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Air++update+%28plasma+theme%29?content=104819
[11:26] <WMP> and when i give prefix, this installed to /desktoptheme/air/...
[11:26] <Mamarok> WMP: well, you could have actually just installed it, no?
[11:27] <WMP> yes
[11:27] <WMP> I moved files from /desktopthemes/ to /usr/share/kde4/apps
[11:27] <Mamarok> WMP: ...
[11:28] <Mamarok> you should not do such things, let the system handle the installation, it will go to the right place
[11:29] <Mamarok> WMP: ^^
[11:29] <WMP> Mamarok: i know ;)
[11:30] <Mamarok> ok...
[11:30] <WMP> This work! :)
[11:32] <WMP> this theme is ugly
[11:33] <cherry2000> hi
[11:33] <Mamarok> WMP: there is a preview function when you click on it in kde.looks.org
[11:33] <Mamarok> would have spared you the pain of installing it
[11:34] <WMP> Mamarok: yes, but in this preview is looked good. In my desktop yest no
[11:34] <cherry2000> what's the theme of the chat?
[11:35] <cherry2000> what's the theme of the chat?
[11:35] <Mamarok> cherry2000: look at the topic
[11:35] <WMP> in kopete work irc?
[11:35] <cherry2000> what's the theme of the chat?
[11:36] <ikonia> cherry2000: type "/topic"
[11:36] <Mamarok> WMP: not yet, but there is Quassel and Konversation
[11:36] <WMP> buuu...
[11:36] <WMP> I like have irc and jabber in one window...
[11:37] <Mamarok> WMP: patience then :)
[11:37] <johannes_> was ist hier los
[11:37] <WMP> ;)
[11:37] <Mamarok> !de | johannes_
[11:37] <WMP> I use pidgin
[11:37] <WMP> but i want support in pidgin knotify
[11:38] <johannes_> okay let's speak english
[11:38] <Mamarok> johannes_: check the topic first then
[11:41] <bain> hi people anybody using kde 4.3 beta1 here?
[11:42] <bain> got a problem with kontact
[11:42] <bain> it simply stopped rendering the meeting invites
[11:42] <bain> on upgrade
[11:42] <bain> wondering if anybody has similar problems
[11:42] <Mamarok> bain: it's still beta...
[11:42] <bain> yes i know ...
[11:43] <Mamarok> bain: and I don't use kontact here. Did you check the bugs on Launchpad for that?
[11:43] <Mamarok> might be known
[11:44] <bain> Mamarok: ok will do
[11:44] <tsimpson> check bugs.kde.org too
[11:44] <bain> i did that already can't find any
[11:57] <cemunal> my screen has been slided to right ( left side is black about one inch ) How can i rotate it with writing xorg.conf?
[11:58] <Mamarok> cemunal: how did that happen?
[12:01] <cemunal> Mamarok, if i use vesa; there is no problem. But with nv...
[12:02] <Mamarok> cemunal: did you check if your graphic card has problems?
[12:04]  * nun_isser_mal_we is away: Zur Zeit abwesend
[12:04] <cemunal> Mamarok, it has no problem. I have an alternative OS.
[12:11] <navid_> guy i cannot connect to #ubuntu. what's the matter?
[12:12] <Mamarok> navid_: where you there before?
[12:16] <navid_> Mamarok: i found it thank you!!!
[12:17] <extremity> hello
[12:17] <extremity> i have a problem with my hp tx 2520er... all working correctly, but when i try to run video content like some movie and resize window, it restart my x-server... somebody can help me pls?
[12:30] <ilran> hi~
[12:31] <ilran> hihihi
[12:31] <ilran>  dl
[12:31] <ilran> som EBody
[12:32] <ilran> somebody
[12:32] <ilran> helpme
[12:32] <ilran> I'm in Dannngerllose
[12:32] <ilran> plllllllllllllz
[12:32] <ilran> otz
[12:32] <ilran> OTZ
[12:33] <ilran> #korea
[12:33] <robin0800_> |ask ilran
[12:33] <ilran> !!!
[12:34] <robin0800_> !ask ilran
[12:34] <ilran> T.T
[12:43] <Mamarok> robin0800_: you need to add | between the bot command and the nick
[12:44] <Mamarok> sry, was away, need some coffee
[12:45] <ilkin> hi guys
[12:46] <DangerXxX> is there any plugin to enable Open office 2.4 open office 2007 formats?
[12:51] <Mamarok> DangerXxX: openoffice 2007 format would be what?
[12:52] <jussi01> Mamarok: I think he means:  "is there any plugin to enable Open office 2.4 to open MS office 2007 formats?"
[12:53] <DangerXxX> yes exactly)
[12:53] <Mamarok> DangerXxX: it can open it, no plugin needed AFAIK
[12:53] <Mamarok> but then, I should check
[12:54] <luis_> hi
[12:54] <luis_> good morning to u all
[12:54] <luis_> can somebody help me pls
[12:54] <DangerXxX> no...Open Office 2.4 cant
[12:54] <Mamarok> !ask | luis_
[12:54] <luis_> everytime i restart my pc my screen resolution change to a lower one
[12:55] <luis_> then i have to click on settings and display to get the right one
[12:55] <luis_> is there any way to fix it pls
[12:55] <luis_> it does it automatically
[12:56] <luis_> just by clicking on display and is a hasle
[12:56] <luis_> i want ti start my pc and have my screen resolution by default
[12:56] <luis_> any idea pls?
[13:00] <luis_> ok got it sorry
[13:04] <luis_> everytime i start or restart my pc my screen resolution is not the one i set up, then i have to click on system settings and from there to display, i dont even need to choose the resolution i need(since i choose it at the beginning(meaning i jus install kubuntu intrepid an hour ago) so because of that when i restart i have to go to settings and display and it gets back the one i choose is there a way to fix and lock the screen
[13:04] <luis_> resolution i need and keep it as chosen by default?
[13:07] <robin0800> luis get the appelit r and r and try
[13:13] <luis_> appelit r?? do i download it from aadept?
[13:14] <luis_> cause by defautl theres this KRandRTray but it doesnt work
[13:14] <robin0800> luis_: choose add apilet to panel
[13:15] <luis_> apilet or appelit r?
[13:16] <robin0800> appelit
[13:17] <luis_> is that suppose to be on adept manager? cause is not there
[13:18] <robin0800> luis right click on panel
[13:19] <luis_> ok
[13:21] <luis_> i did that as well and the options are to add widgets or pannel settings and theres no appelit option there
[13:21] <DangerXxX> have u found anything concerning Office 2007 formats?
[13:22] <robin0800> luis add widjets then but have you already tried that?
[13:22] <rgarcia> Hi all could anybody help me to use virtualbox?
[13:22] <luis_> ye
[13:22] <luis_> yes
[13:22] <hippo> ok
[13:23] <rgarcia> i can't run windows there
[13:23] <luis_> i am looking on ad widgets for that appelit option and is not there
[13:23] <luis_> i dont c any appelit option
[13:23] <hippo> first, don't use the OSE version
[13:23] <rgarcia> don't use the ose version??
[13:23] <rgarcia> which one i have to use?
[13:23] <hippo> Install the version from VirtualBox site, not the one from openSUSE repo.
[13:24] <happyhessian> i recently upgraded from ubuntu 8.10 to kubuntu 9.04 and now i get a fat filesystem panic when i plug in my ipod, does anyone know why that might be? or how i might fix it? (preferably without having to reformat my ipod...)
[13:24] <rgarcia> yes...but i could not install it from website
[13:24] <rgarcia> i'm on 64-b Jaunty
[13:24] <rgarcia> !virualbox
[13:25] <rgarcia> !virtualbox
[13:25] <hippo> ok ... wrong channel ... euh ... how did I do that on jaunty ?  Just a minute !
[13:26] <rgarcia> ok....
[13:26] <hippo> can you type : dpkg -l | grep VirtualBox
[13:26] <hippo> to see what version you have.
[13:26] <hippo> it should be virtualbox-2.2
[13:26] <rgarcia> none....i've removed virtualbox ose
[13:27] <hippo> so what does the output of this command look like ?
[13:27] <rgarcia> the problem is, when i try to instal virtualbox from website package, it pops an error
[13:27] <luis_> good morning to u all
[13:27] <Dekans> rgarcia: you can
[13:28] <Dekans> I did
[13:28] <hippo> what about : apt-get install virtualbox-2.2 ?
[13:28] <rgarcia> E: Couldn't find package virtualbox-2.2
[13:29] <hippo> ok. You don't have the repository.
[13:29] <rgarcia> no....do you know how do i put in there?
[13:29] <hippo> same thing as root ? sudo apt-get install virtualbox-2.2
[13:29] <rgarcia> yes, I did
[13:29] <rgarcia> :(
[13:29] <hippo> ok ... just a minute .
[13:31] <hippo> are you in a terminal as root ?
[13:32] <hippo> rgarcia ?
[13:33] <rgarcia> hippo: tell me...
[13:33] <rgarcia> yes i am
[13:33] <rgarcia> sorry
[13:33] <hippo> cool.
[13:33] <hippo> Then do the following :
[13:33] <hippo> cd /etc/apt/sources.list.d
[13:34] <rgarcia> sorry hippo i've never could enter as root, like typing su...
[13:34] <rgarcia> i don't know the password
[13:35] <rgarcia> which is the passwd?
[13:35] <hippo> hmm ... I understand. Actually, there is no root by default on Ubuntu.
[13:35] <hippo> people are not supposed to be root on Ubuntu :-)
[13:35] <spawn57> sudo -i ftw
[13:35] <rgarcia> mmm...so theres no way to became root?
[13:35] <spawn57> yeah
[13:35] <spawn57> sudo -i
[13:35] <Phoenix_the_II> sudo su
[13:36] <Phoenix_the_II> :D
[13:36] <Phoenix_the_II> then
[13:36] <spawn57> naw, just sudo -i
[13:36] <Phoenix_the_II> passwd
[13:36] <rgarcia> mmm...ok.....thanxxx
[13:36] <hippo> no problem, you can use sudo (or create a root account. But it's another problem)
[13:36] <rgarcia> rlx....i'm there now....
[13:36] <hippo> so do : cd /etc/apt/sources.list.d
[13:36] <rgarcia> root@home:/etc/apt/sources.list.d#
[13:36] <DangerXxX> what is version of OpenOffice in Kubuntu 9.04 (by default)
[13:36] <hippo> I guess it's possible as user too
[13:36] <DangerXxX> ?
[13:37] <hippo> then do : sudo echo "deb http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/debian jaunty non-free" > virtualbox.list
[13:37] <Mamarok> Phoenix_the_II: no
[13:37] <Phoenix_the_II> yes
[13:37] <Phoenix_the_II> ?
[13:37] <Mamarok> do not give that advice to new users
[13:38] <rgarcia> ok hippo, done
[13:38] <Mamarok> rgarcia: sudo is much safer than a root password
[13:38] <Mamarok> it has a timeout, unless you override it with -i
[13:39] <Phoenix_the_II> Mamarok
[13:39] <Phoenix_the_II> it's their system?
[13:39] <hippo> sudo apt-get update
[13:39] <rgarcia> Mamarok: ok, i'm not going to do nothing, just what hippo says
[13:39] <hippo> sudo apt-get install virtualbox-2.2
[13:39] <hippo> That should do it.
[13:39] <Mamarok> Phoenix_the_II: we give secure advice here, and not just any advice
[13:40] <rgarcia> installing
[13:40] <Phoenix_the_II> right :o
[13:40] <rgarcia> thanks Mamarok
[13:40] <rgarcia> :D
[13:40] <Phoenix_the_II> the only problem with root is pebcak reallyy
[13:40] <Phoenix_the_II> :p
[13:40] <Mamarok> ...
[13:41] <rgarcia> how do i become a normal user now?
[13:41] <Phoenix_the_II> exit
[13:41] <rgarcia> ok...no problem...thanksss
[13:41] <rgarcia> hippo: virtualbox is been downloaded
[13:41] <hippo> cool :-)
[13:42] <rgarcia> is there any problem to virtualbox ose??
[13:42] <hippo> no, it has just less features than the commercial version.
[13:42] <rgarcia> hum..understood....what does ose means?
[13:43] <rgarcia> less features?
[13:43] <hippo> open source somehow.
[13:43] <marc_piano> can anyone recomend something to save and convert videos from you tube?  i have enabled a firefox plug in to do it but its missing converters and I cant find any in the repo
[13:43] <rgarcia> mm....got it
[13:43] <rgarcia> hippo: now finished the installation and i have to configure virtualbox....let's continue?
[13:44] <hippo> for example, when you upgrade the kernel - which happens sometimes - the commercial version is clever enough to recompile the module . The OSE doesn't do that.
[13:44] <rgarcia> understood....now vb is asking me to delete old vboxdrv kernel modules, Yes?
[13:44] <hippo> actually, there is nothing to configure. But you have to create a virtual machine
[13:44] <hippo> yes
[13:45] <rgarcia> is vbox better than vmware?
[13:45] <hippo> it's going to compile a new module .
[13:45] <rgarcia>  * modprobe vboxnetflt failed. Please use 'dmesg' to find out why
[13:45] <hippo> I never used vmware.
[13:46] <rgarcia> understood
[13:46] <hippo> hmm ..
[13:46] <hippo> Do you have the kernel headers installed ?
[13:47] <rgarcia> sorry hippo, i don't know...
[13:47] <DangerXxX> please someone using Kubuntu 9.04 open one OpenOffice application and say me it version
[13:48] <Mamarok> DangerXxX: default should be 2.4 something I guess
[13:48] <hippo> dpkg -l | grep kernel | grep headers
[13:48] <rgarcia> ii  linux-headers-2.6.28-11                    2.6.28-11.42                             Header files related to Linux kernel version
[13:48] <hippo> that's correct .
[13:49] <rgarcia> ok...so how do i configure windows now?
[13:50] <hippo> did you start virtualbox already ?
[13:50] <rgarcia> yes
[13:50] <rgarcia> i do....
[13:50] <hippo> ok. You have to create a virtual machine.
[13:50] <rgarcia> now i push the buttom new
[13:50] <hippo> yes . Wait ... I'll do that do. It's easier
[13:51] <rgarcia> ok..
[13:51] <hippo> So, new ... next ...
[13:51] <rgarcia> ok, name
[13:51] <DangerXxX> Are Kubuntu alternate CD and CD coming with Shitit request same things??
[13:52] <hippo> actually, it's quite obvious .
[13:52] <DangerXxX> *Shipit
[13:52] <rgarcia> Windows...
[13:52] <rgarcia> next...
[13:52] <rgarcia> base memory size
[13:52] <hippo> You give the name you want.
[13:52] <hippo> how much ram do you have ?
[13:52] <Mamarok> DangerXxX: the same version, but the alternate CD doesn't have the same installer
[13:53] <rgarcia> 2ghz
[13:53] <hippo> what WIndows version do you want to install ?
[13:53] <rgarcia> i have in my computer winxp
[13:53] <rgarcia> i have to install a new winxp?
[13:53] <DangerXxX> I mean will I be able to upgrade form Kubuntu 8.04 to 9.04 with the help of shipit request cd?
[13:53] <hippo> Yes
[13:54] <rgarcia> mm...ok...
[13:54] <rgarcia> and the other one?
[13:54] <hippo> Unlike vmware, virtualbox cannot boot a partition.
[13:54] <Mamarok> DangerXxX: hm, let me check...
[13:54] <rgarcia> mmm...ok....
[13:54] <rgarcia> so windows xp
[13:54] <hippo> If you want to boot an installed Xp, you have to use vmware.
[13:55] <rgarcia> and do you know how?
[13:55] <rgarcia> to use vmware?
[13:55] <hippo> no, I never used vmware.
[13:55] <eagles0513875> hippo: vmware or vbox
[13:55] <Mamarok> DangerXxX: well, theoretically yes, but seems still a bit tricky: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1131994
[13:55] <rgarcia> ok..so let's go...
[13:55] <hippo> You need an XP cd or an iso image. Do you have that ?
[13:56] <Mamarok> DangerXxX: if you have your /home on a separate partition, a fresh install of 9.04 and moving your .kde/ to .kde_old/ would be easier
[13:56] <rgarcia> i have the windows installation cd, is that enough?
[13:56] <hippo> yes
[13:57] <Mamarok> DangerXxX: are you still running KDE 3.5.10 now?
[13:57] <DangerXxX> but then i will lose my application and drivers, yes?
[13:57] <Mamarok> DangerXxX: no, why?
[13:57] <hippo> the minimum is 256 MB for XP. .. but you can change that later if you need more memory.
[13:57] <DangerXxX> yes
[13:57] <rgarcia> ok...cd there
[13:57] <Mamarok> DangerXxX: the applications are installed newly, but the installer looks for the driver himself
[13:57] <Mamarok> DangerXxX: what graphic card do you have?
[13:57] <DangerXxX> nVdia Geforce 7200
[13:58] <hippo> are you running KDE  ?
[13:58] <Mamarok> that should work
[13:58] <rgarcia> the program sssays that i can use an existing windows
[13:58] <rgarcia> yes...
[13:58] <Mamarok> DangerXxX: with a separate home partition, a fresh isntall is easy as you just don't touch that part
[13:58] <Mamarok> DangerXxX: but KDE will be very different, you know that?
[13:58] <hippo> no it says that you can use an existing virtual disk, not an existing Windows partition.
[13:59] <rgarcia> yess that's it
[13:59] <DangerXxX> Yes I have just viewed Kubuntu 9.04 features
[13:59] <hippo> so you took 256 MB ?
[13:59] <rgarcia> i took 599mb
[13:59] <hippo> why 599 ?
[13:59] <Mamarok> DangerXxX: if you want to upgrade, it would be easier to go through Intrepid first
[14:00] <rgarcia> ok back to 256mb...
[14:00] <rgarcia> i guess that's more memory would be better
[14:00] <DangerXxX> actually problem is with Dial-up modem drivers.. I am afraid I will lose it) dont have wireless, wifi, adsl only dial)
[14:01] <hippo> Yes .. but KDE itself needs a lot. Tha't why I asked you if you were running KDE.
[14:01] <hippo> that's
[14:01] <rgarcia> mm right...ok...no problem..
[14:01] <Mamarok> DangerXxX: save your dirver then or get one spare you can install afterwards again
[14:01] <hippo> anyway. That's something you can change anytime before booting the VM.
[14:02] <hippo> not a big deal right now.
[14:02] <Mamarok> DangerXxX: but if you upgrade, it shouldn't touch that part
[14:02] <hippo> Then create a new disk
[14:02] <Mamarok> DangerXxX: if you have adsl you can upgrade directly, without the CD
[14:03] <rgarcia> now just a question can i uninstall after if i don't want anymore?
[14:03] <khanhtoan> hi
[14:03] <hippo> Dynamically expanding is correct.
[14:03] <DangerXxX> I know...but..unfortunately I dont have any speedy connection apart from Dial-up)
[14:03] <hippo> a VM is just a file for Ubuntu. You can delete the file whenever you like.
[14:03] <rgarcia> alright
[14:04] <rgarcia> so, what should i do now?
[14:04] <hippo> where are you ?
[14:04] <rgarcia> create a new hard disk?
[14:04] <hippo> yes
[14:04] <rgarcia> boot hard disk (primary master)???
[14:05] <hippo> next
[14:05] <khanhtoan> hi
[14:05] <khanhtoan> chao cong dong kubuntu
[14:05] <hippo> Dynamically ... next
[14:05] <rgarcia> Select the size of the virtual hard disk in megabytes
[14:06] <hippo> I usually take 32 GB.
[14:06] <hippo> But "dinamically" means that only the file will not be larger as the space really used.
[14:07] <cinex> the space is used up to the maximum you put!
[14:07] <hippo> So when you're done installing Windows, it will be about 4/5 GB large, I guess, not more
[14:07] <rgarcia> ok..no problem...
[14:07] <DangerXxX> ok..Big Thanks Mamarok
[14:07] <rgarcia> Failed to create the hard disk storage Windows.vdi.
[14:08] <rgarcia> http://paste.ubuntu.com/179559/
[14:08] <hippo> hmm ... df -hl
[14:08] <cinex> what u doing rgarcia ?
[14:09] <rgarcia> hippo: sorry my bad...
[14:10] <rgarcia> when it sayd to write down the destination, i just wrote windows...and the dest. must be the cdrom, right?
[14:10] <hippo> I don't know where you are.
[14:11] <rgarcia> virtual disk location and size
[14:11] <hippo> oh ... yes you have to choose a location .
[14:11] <Mamarok> DangerXxX: you are welcome :)
[14:12] <rgarcia> yes...it was my bad..
[14:12] <rgarcia> now it's ok..
[14:12] <rgarcia> finished..]
[14:12] <rgarcia> start?
[14:13] <dokueva> hi guys, I have 2 ekigas on two kubuntu computers, with 2 different accounts. I launch ekigas on both computers, and they appear to be connected and registered. But I cannot make a call, or send a text message. What's wrong? Help, please.
[14:13] <hippo> just a minute ...
[14:13] <hippo> click on general
[14:14] <hippo> set the video memory size : 16 MB
[14:14] <rgarcia> ok....
[14:15] <hippo> then click on "advanced" ...
[14:15] <rgarcia> ok...
[14:15] <hippo> the CD/DVD must be the first boot device.
[14:15] <rgarcia> ok...1st
[14:16] <hippo> Description ... and write a description if you like.
[14:16] <rgarcia> ok done..
[14:17] <hippo> then click on CD/DVD ... and check "Mount CD/DVD "
[14:17] <hippo> Insert your Windows CD first ..
[14:17] <hippo> sorry
[14:17] <rgarcia> ok....done...
[14:18] <hippo> Does it show your CD/DVD drive ? ..... (/dev/sr0) ?
[14:18] <rgarcia> yes...i chaged
[14:18] <rgarcia> changed
[14:18] <hippo> I presume you want sound in Windows too ...
[14:18] <rgarcia> yes...
[14:19] <rgarcia> it's already enable
[14:19] <hippo> Then, check "Enable Audio"
[14:19] <hippo> using Alsa ?
[14:19] <rgarcia> yes...
[14:19] <hippo> great
[14:19] <hippo> Network  ... hmm well ...
[14:20] <rgarcia> it's ok...
[14:20] <rgarcia> start?
[14:20] <hippo> You can do "NAT" or "bridge". Do you know the difference ?
[14:20] <rgarcia> nopi....
[14:21] <hippo> with NAT ... you cannot access you Windows VM from the Ubuntu host.
[14:21] <hippo> with bridge, it's like 2 computers accessing each other in both ways.
[14:22] <hippo> if you don't need "bridge", take "NAT". It's a bit safer.
[14:22] <hippo> Just let me see what Adapter is supported by XP  ...
[14:23] <rgarcia> i want to use both at the same time
[14:24] <hippo> you can use both at the same time. The only thing you cannot do with NAT would be copy files from Ubuntu to Windows or anything which would require 2 netcards.
[14:24] <kaddi> hello :)
[14:24] <rgarcia> ok..no problem...can be NAT
[14:25] <fabian_> does anyone know a good app to take videos by webcam... cheese doesn't work properly
[14:25] <rgarcia> hippo: can i start it?
[14:25] <hippo> USB ... I enable it but never use it so far. You can enable it.
[14:26] <hippo> Then Ok ... and let's go ...
[14:26] <rgarcia> starting
[14:26] <rgarcia> windows setup...
[14:26] <hippo> yes
[14:27] <hippo> So, from now on, it is the same as a normal WIndows installation.
[14:27] <rgarcia> hippo: can i run for example drawing program from VM?
[14:27] <rgarcia> as solidworks?
[14:27] <hippo> It's just faked hardware .. but Windows doesn't know it.
[14:28] <hippo> You can run Photoshop ... but not with 256 MB
[14:28] <rgarcia> a little bit more, right?
[14:28] <hippo> oh yes ... definitely !
[14:29] <rgarcia> so if i don't want anymore..i have to delete *.vdi file?
[14:29] <hippo> yep
[14:29] <hippo> and the Virtual machine in Virtualbox.
[14:29] <rgarcia> ok...and can i use it as fullscreeN?
[14:30] <hippo> yes, if you installed the "guest additions".
[14:30] <hippo> You do that later, once you have Windows running in the VM.
[14:30] <AlexZion> hi everyone, I'm using Kubuntu jaunty and I got problem to connect my wireless with the applet which comes with it, so I tried ,like suggest in a lot of place, wicd, but the result was quite the same, I mean it works just with ethernet connection ...., there is some trick to get wicd working in Jaunty ?
[14:30] <rgarcia> ok....no promblem...
[14:31] <rgarcia> hippo: what is the host key?
[14:31] <hippo> You can run in full screen ... and nobody can tell  it's a virtual Windows.
[14:32] <rgarcia> yes...i've put in fullscreen but i donh't how to come back
[14:32] <hippo> oh ... you have to use the hostkey indeed ...
[14:32] <hippo> I don't know ... :-(
[14:32] <rgarcia> yes...what is this hostkey?
[14:33] <hippo> right ctrl ?
[14:33] <rgarcia> lol....
[14:33] <hippo> right ctrl + f maybe
[14:33] <rgarcia> yes..
[14:33] <rgarcia> yes...that's it..
[14:33] <rgarcia> lol
[14:33] <hippo> I'm good :-D
[14:33] <rgarcia> yes u are
[14:33] <rgarcia> lol
[14:34] <rgarcia> after the installation i can boot from the vdi file right?
[14:35] <hippo> yes ... well you don't care about the vdi file. You just start the virtual machine.
[14:35] <rgarcia> understood
[14:35] <rgarcia> this one is good as vmware?
[14:35] <hippo> I don't know ... I never used vmware.
[14:36] <hippo> But it is good.
[14:36] <rgarcia> mm....after the installation, do i have to install the programs from VM, ou i can use it from windows already installed?
[14:38] <hippo> you have to install it :-(
[14:38] <rgarcia> ok...no problem...
[14:39] <hippo> and if you install from a cd ... yu have to mount the cd. But you can do that in the VM.
[14:40] <rgarcia> hippo: ok ....nopw i guess i can handle it by myself....thanks a lot for your help.......
[14:40] <hippo> no problem. Have fun.
[14:40] <rgarcia> thanks....you taka care
[14:45] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[14:48] <eagles0513875> what package or daemon  is in charge of keyboard layouts etc
[14:49] <matias_> HI
[14:50] <matias_> HOLA?
[14:50] <BluesKaj> !hi | matias_
[14:51] <matias_> i need help :(
[14:51] <matias_> but with UBUNTU ,
[14:51] <matias_> xD
[14:51] <BluesKaj> !ask | matias_
[14:51] <eagles0513875> maco:  #ubuntu
[14:51] <eagles0513875> miis type maco
[14:52] <matias_> 	 	
[14:52] <matias_> I can not put my monitor at 1680 x 1050 resolution
[14:52] <matias_> u.u
[14:53] <matias_> im new in ubuntu:3 ,i  migrate from windows :P
[14:54] <matias_> hello?
[14:55] <eagles0513875> !hi | mathis
[14:55] <matias_> u.u anyone helpme?
[14:56] <eagles0513875> !patience | matias_
[14:56] <matias_> :o
[14:56] <matias_> thx
[14:57] <BluesKaj> matias_, what graphics card and monitor ?
[14:57] <matias_> nvidia ge force 8600 gt :o
[14:57] <BluesKaj> monitor ?
[14:57] <matias_> viewsonic 22"
[15:00] <matias_> sorry for my english , i from Argentina :)
[15:01] <BluesKaj> matias_, look in the package manager for your graphics card driver , prolly the nvidia-glx-180
[15:02] <virtigem> helo
[15:02] <matias_> yes i actualize
[15:03] <virtigem> oal
[15:03] <matias_> hola?
[15:04] <Mamarok> !es | virtigem, matias_
[15:04] <matias_> TKS!!! :D
[15:05] <virtigem> oal
[15:06] <Nasj> How would someone "uninstall" kubuntu and replace with another distro ?
[15:06] <Nasj> from a dualboot with windows
[15:08] <valgaav> install "another distro" on the kubuntu partition
[15:08] <valgaav> however this new distro installer should have the ability to detect your windows installation or else you will not be able to boot into it
[15:09] <BluesKaj> Nasj, which other distro ?
[15:09] <Shadoze> http://www.goodbye-microsoft.com
[15:09] <valgaav> unless you know how to manually setup it in grub :)
[15:09] <virtigem> I todey the portugues!!!!
[15:09] <Mamarok> !pt | virtigem
[15:10] <virtigem> positvo
[15:19] <BluesKaj> !grub | Nasj
[15:20] <Nasj> hmm
[15:20] <Nataouze> hello
[15:21] <Nataouze> I am having an issue with the network management plasmoid: I fixed a manual ip configuration, but when connection comes, the ip different, probably one from dhcp
[15:22] <ign0ramus> Nataouze, your ISP assigned you a dynamic IP, and you're setting network manager to use a fixed IP?
[15:23] <Nataouze> I am behind a router
[15:23] <Nataouze> I want a fixed IP inside my local network
[15:24] <ign0ramus> Nataouze, iirc, dhcp won't change your network 192.168.x.x addresses...
[15:24] <Nataouze> I fixed my IP to 192.168.0.3, but I actually keep getting 192.168.0.11 ...
[15:25] <BluesKaj> Nasj, if you want help , please ask your question clearly so your situation is understood , don't assume we know your exact situation.
[15:25] <ign0ramus> Nataouze, so your router is assigning 192.168.0.11... why not set your ip to what the router is assigning?
[15:25] <Nasj> Ok
[15:26] <Nasj> I think ive already found my answer
[15:26] <Nataouze> Because it should be a printer for this address, moreover I have some NAT redirections for the IP I want
[15:27] <ign0ramus> Nataouze, i see now... i don't have much experience with this.  hopefully someone else that has ran into this issue can help.
[15:27] <Nataouze> Anyway, with any other tool or OS, I can set the IP I want, I just think I don't understand something about this plasmoid :)
[15:27] <Nataouze> Thanks for your attention ign0ramus ^^
[15:28] <ign0ramus> Nataouze, i try to help where i can, but i will not offer assistance in an area in which i'm not very familiar.
[15:28] <Nataouze> That's wise ign0ramus.
[15:29] <Shadoze> Does anyone know if wine ships with msi support out the box?
[15:29] <ign0ramus> Nataouze, that will be the only time in your life you will type that string of letters XD
[15:29] <ign0ramus> Shadoze, Yes.
[15:29] <Nataouze> hahaha :)
[15:29] <Nataouze> It's because I don't know you actually ;)
[15:30] <Shadoze> Does it use msiexec.exe to perform the operation?
[15:30] <ign0ramus> Shadoze, not sure what operation it calls, but the syntax would be like "msiexec /i msxml3.msi"
[15:31] <ign0ramus> Shadoze, so actually, yeah, i believe it does ;))
[15:31] <Nataouze> If this can help, here is the config file for my network connection (the one in ~/.kde/share/apps/networkmanagement/connections/):
[15:31] <Nataouze> http://pastebin.com/d751f0b05
[15:32] <Shadoze> Awesome, well just got wine installed and noticed one thing
[15:32] <Shadoze> it makes my system a tiny bit laggy when dealing with a 1.1gb msi installer ;)
[15:32] <ign0ramus> Shadoze, not sure what you were expecting... :)
[15:33] <ign0ramus> Shadoze, a game, i assume?
[15:34] <Shadoze> Nope, Microsoft office
[15:34] <Shadoze> I use openoffice for everything else
[15:34] <Shadoze> I just really need msaccess for college ;(
[15:34] <Nataouze> Shadoze: Access 2007 ?
[15:34] <ign0ramus> Shadoze, aha... i believe there are some 'tweaks' necessary to get it running...
[15:34] <Shadoze> Any access
[15:35] <Shadoze> Just any access
[15:35] <Shadoze> and i can ditch windows
[15:35] <Shadoze> Access 2003 is a nogo, crashes every time
[15:35] <Nataouze> Shadoze: ok, because I'm pretty sure that you won't get 2007 to work...
[15:35] <ign0ramus> Shadoze, what i'm saying is that MS Office won't work OOB in wine
[15:35] <Mamarok> Shadoze: tell your teacher that there are free databases instead of spending money in an obsolete technology that doesn't respect standards :)
[15:35] <ign0ramus> Mamarok, lol
[15:36] <Shadoze> I would but
[15:36] <Shadoze> a quater of the pc's there don't have firefox
[15:36] <Shadoze> As the administrators are azy
[15:36] <Shadoze> *lazy
[15:36] <Mamarok> Shadoze: that's so easy to repair :)
[15:36] <Shadoze> There starting to block everything
[15:36] <ign0ramus> Shadoze, portable firefox is a beautiful thing
[15:36] <Shadoze> That's what i use ;)
[15:36] <ign0ramus> :)
[15:37] <Shadoze> It's so funny though we all got caught using a proxy
[15:37] <Shadoze> And they sent a list of everything who was using the application to the head
[15:37] <Shadoze> *everyone, even
[15:37] <Shadoze> The list has over 1000 names
[15:37] <Shadoze> Good luck punishing us all
[15:37] <ign0ramus> haha
[15:37] <BluesKaj> Nataouze, why not just go with the IP's asigned by the router , just make sure you have printer sharing enabled on the router as well as network manager, also IPV6 is most likely the default and it appears you disabled it in favour of IPv4
[15:38] <Shadoze> Oh yeah ign, i manage dto fix my menu problem and bootsplash
[15:38] <Shadoze> I reinstalled kubuntu, but this time with ext4 ;)
[15:41] <Nataouze> BluesKaj: ik, but what about my NAT config ?
[15:41] <Nataouze> s/ik/ok
[15:42] <ign0ramus> Shadoze, what was the menu problem?
[15:44] <Shadoze> Whenever i moved an item to somewhere else in the menu, it would create a duplicate menu item that was hidden where i tried to move it too, and stay where it originally was
[15:44] <linuxerson> hi
[15:44] <Shadoze> Welcome
[15:44] <ign0ramus> Shadoze, ah, i don't recall seeing that issue, but congrats on getting it fixed.  and welcome to ext4!
[15:45] <ign0ramus> Shadoze, now when we lose all our data, it was in the name of progress! ;)
[15:46] <Shadoze> Haha, yeah :) Oh btw i seriously think you should document your printscreen method
[15:46] <Nataouze> A friend of mine using gentoo told me he went from 30s to 22s for boot since he changed to ext4
[15:46] <BluesKaj> Nataouze, isn't there a setting in your router for static IP , which is the static default for the router ?
[15:46] <Shadoze> i can see it being handy to alot of people, as google seraching about it just brings up the bugreports really
[15:46] <Shadoze> My boot time is under 10 seconds
[15:46] <ign0ramus> Shadoze, thanks, but i don't know if everyone wants the same kind of behavior... for some reason, people actually like kscreenshot (not sure why...)
[15:47] <Shadoze> Well, you could have a very small intro saying what it does and how its really ideal for take alot of screenshots at the same time
[15:48] <ign0ramus> Shadoze, although, i do pride myself on the naming scheme... i was trying to find a way to create screenshots with a unique output for a name, which is where I implemented the "naming by the unix second" deal.  I was proud of this, because this feature is not even listed in the scrot documentation... i just took an educated guess, and it worked :)
[15:51] <Shadoze> hehe :P I find it very handy as i needed to take some screenshots for winehq on a full screengame and my printscreen button didn't work and open ksnapshot whilst playing the game was really impracticle for grabbing headshots (lol) scrot does the trick ;)
[15:51] <Nataouze> BluesKaj: Actually I just realized that my DHCP gives addresses from 192.168.0.10 to 192.168.0.15, and my printers are in this range, I'm not sure if it can create problems
[15:52] <Nataouze> (my printers have a fixed IP: .10 and .11)
[15:52] <ign0ramus> Shadoze, glad it works well for you.  i also take tons of screenshots, and ksnapshot is intrusive (to me anyway), and all i was using it for was to save a screenie to the Desktop anyway for immediate posting or quick editing.  The scrot command automates this process nicely.
[15:54] <ign0ramus> Shadoze, i had originally experimented with imagemagick, which was the accepted recommendation for cli screenshots, but it doesn't work well in a Plasma environment (some windows are not caputred).  scrot handles this with ease :)
[15:54] <Shadoze> Yeah :) I heard someone talking about there imagemagick woes yesterday
[15:55] <Shadoze> And how it wasn't capturing all of plasma
[15:55] <ign0ramus> Shadoze, imagemagick is a great app, with tons of features, but it doesn't work well for capturing plasma stuff
[15:56] <ign0ramus> Shadoze, one cool thing about imagemagick i did ... last year, my stepfather bought a beautiful 1941 Pontiac antique car.  I found someone online who had posted the original owner's manual for the car, but it was single pages in .jpg format...
[15:57] <ign0ramus> Shadoze, so i captured all the pics with DownThemAll, and used imagemagick to combine all the jpgs in order into a single .pdf that was now an electronic full owner's manual that could be printed out and bound like the original :)
[15:58] <ign0ramus> Shadoze, so i don't dislike imagemagick, but for plasma, it needs work :)
[15:59] <Shadoze> Heh that sounds pretty handy ;) I've never used imagemagic myself but it does sound cool
[16:00] <Shadoze> Havn't heard of downthemall either lol
[16:00] <ign0ramus> Shadoze, that's just a firefox add-on (download manager - good for downloading multiple files simultaneously)
[16:01] <ign0ramus> Shadoze, for example, you find a site that has tons of awesome wallpapers... dTA can collect all of them with two clicks
[16:01] <Shadoze> I'm going to downlaod that
[16:01] <Shadoze> you've conviced me ;)
[16:01] <Shadoze> The amount of time ive manually had to do it
[16:02] <ign0ramus> Shadoze, i don't use it all that often, but when you find yourself with something like the above situation, its a godsend
[16:02] <Shadoze> haha, yeah :)
[16:02] <Shadoze> btw, that 1.1gb msi file
[16:03] <Shadoze> Extracted all fine in the end ;)
[16:03] <ign0ramus> Shadoze, extracted and installed?
[16:03] <Shadoze> Yes :D
[16:03] <ign0ramus> Shadoze, with no workarounds?
[16:03] <Shadoze> Nope, worked out of the box
[16:03] <Shadoze> however.......
[16:04] <Shadoze> I do have to do a few things it seems to get some programs of office working :(
[16:04] <Shadoze> Visio dosnt load with iopl not enabled error and access, well that's a nogo :(
[16:04] <ign0ramus> Shadoze, i was going to ask about that, as I was just reading an article this morning on what to do to install Office in Wine
[16:04] <Shadoze> Those are the only two i really need though :(
[16:05] <Shadoze> Openoffice is fine for it's word, spreadsheet, and powerpoint clone :)
[16:05] <ign0ramus> Shadoze, there were some .dll's that needed to be registered, and some java .dll had to be added to system32
[16:05] <ign0ramus> Shadoze, i like OOo as well, but I need MS Exchange for work
[16:05] <ign0ramus> Shadoze, i just run it in VirtualBox, though ;)
[16:06] <Shadoze> :P I could do that too
[16:06] <Shadoze> but i feel it's a bit of a pisstake having to do that just for visio or access :9
[16:06] <ign0ramus> Shadoze, also, my crappy lexmark printer is a 'paperweight' using Linux
[16:07] <ign0ramus> Shadoze, yeah, but i've found wine a little lacking - apps don't always render properly, and sometimes features (as you've noticed) are missing completely.  Vbox was the best solution for me in that case.
[16:08] <Shadoze> Yeah :) Well, i've had visio working before so i KNOW its possible
[16:09] <eagles0513875> since compiling kde 4.3 from source i am unable to change my keyboard layout in system settings it seems to have disappeared
[16:09] <Mamarok> eagles0513875: ...
[16:09] <ign0ramus> Shadoze, how does it look? in something like visio, the visuals are important.  just curious.
[16:10] <eagles0513875> Mamarok: it was complaining about orphaned modules and now the keyboard layout isnt showing in regional any more :(
[16:10] <Mamarok> eagles0513875: you have stuff not installed, check the documentation again
[16:10] <eagles0513875> ok
[16:10] <Mamarok> eagles0513875: ... or install Neon
[16:11]  * eagles0513875 thinks out loudi have built kde libs pimlibs base pim support and netwrok
[16:11] <Shadoze> Hold up, just installing it
[16:11] <Shadoze> i had it working in the kubuntu i was running yesterday ;)
[16:11] <Mamarok> eagles0513875: we do not support for self-compiled KDE here, sry
[16:11] <eagles0513875> thats ok Mamarok
[16:12] <ign0ramus> eagles0513875, you're definitely missing packages, but i think keyboard layouts are still on the TO-DO list for 4.3 http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.3_Feature_Plan
[16:12] <eagles0513875> thanks for the info ign0ramus now as to what im missing
[16:13] <ign0ramus> eagles0513875, check the errors and logs is all i can tell you... you compiled the thing! :)
[16:13] <Mamarok> eagles0513875: told you so, and again, this does not belong here, so please...
[16:13] <eagles0513875> lol :) will do
[16:13] <eagles0513875> ok
[16:13] <eagles0513875> ign0ramus: im in ot if you wanna chat
[16:14] <ign0ramus> eagles0513875, i might stop in a little later... actually should be making side dishes for a bbq right now XD
[16:17] <ign0ramus> does anyone have a Creative Zen?  Just wondering how it works using Linux...
[16:18] <Shadoze> @ ign i installed the wrong version of visio lol, hold up
[16:18] <ign0ramus> Shadoze, lol
[16:19] <Shadoze> I still have my dads office 97 cd lol
[16:19] <Shadoze> but that's a bit old ;0
[16:20] <eagles0513875> !ot | Shadoze
[16:20] <Shadoze> I know,i'm trying to get it to work via wine using Kubuntu
[16:21] <eagles0513875> Shadoze: if the version that in jaunty repos dont work add the wine repo with 1.0.22
[16:22] <eagles0513875> havent tried office 2k7 yet
[16:22] <Shadoze> 2k7 works pretty well
[16:22] <ign0ramus> eagles0513875, the winehq repo has wine-1.1.22 now
[16:22] <Shadoze> Just acces is a NOGO
[16:22] <Shadoze> and axxess is all i want tbh
[16:22] <messenger> hello
[16:23] <Guest97913> im new to kubuntu and i have problem with sound, my sound card is not detected
[16:24] <ign0ramus> !sound | Guest97913
[16:25] <Guest97913> hello
[16:25] <Guest97913> anybody here
[16:26] <Shadoze> 295 people at the moment
[16:27] <Mamarok> !ask | Guest97913
[16:28] <Shadoze> ign, it works ;D
[16:31] <Shadoze> http://i39.tinypic.com/2uykfuq.jpg
[16:31] <Shadoze> Thats the installer chugging away
[16:31] <debaser> hi
[16:31] <debaser> bas
[16:31] <debaser> how can I restore the kde menu to system defaults?
[16:32] <Shadoze> And heres the layouy
[16:32] <Shadoze> *layout
[16:32] <Shadoze> http://i43.tinypic.com/15y6h3l.jpg
[16:32] <Shadoze> I think it looks ok :)
[16:33] <ign0ramus> Shadoze, ugly, but good work! ;)
[16:34] <Shadoze> uh oh
[16:34] <Shadoze> Dragging an entity onto the diagram causes it to crash
[16:34] <Shadoze> Ill see if it can handle a ready made drawing
[16:36] <Mamarok> debaser: what did you change?
[16:37] <debaser> I added jubler to video and everything got messed up
[16:37] <Mamarok> debaser: you can edit the menu: right click on the icon
[16:38] <debaser> Mamarok: can't I replace a file in my ~/ for sth else, because I know I can edit it but I'd have to do too many manual edits, and I don't know it'd be ok
[16:38] <Mamarok> debaser: I guess so, let me check which file it is
[16:38] <debaser> Mamarok: ok, thx
[16:39] <Shadoze> brb
[16:39] <Mamarok> debaser: I guess it is this one:
[16:40] <Mamarok> ~/.kde/share/config/kmenueditrc
[16:42] <debaser> I've got to go now, I'll let you know how it turned out, thx a lot!
[16:42] <Mamarok> debaser: yaw :)
[16:47] <ivan_> de ste ljudi sta se radi?
[16:48] <ivan_> da li ima nekog ko je iz srbije?
[16:51] <ubuntu_> ola
[16:52] <DonnezMoiUnNom> bonjour ^^
[17:16] <davidjheinrich> hi all...does anyone know of a Linux alternative to RightMark Audio Analyzer?
[17:17] <Shadoze> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_audio_software
[17:18] <davidjheinrich> thanks
[17:18] <jptet6818> Help with kdesdk needed (objective is to build just umbrello from sources). Platform is Kubuntu 8.04, kdesdk 4.2.2. Tryed some recipes from internet (including official kdesdk tips). Problem is after cmake umbrello: Unknown CMake command "kde4_install_icons"
[17:18] <davidjheinrich> another related Q: where can I find an explanation of the graphs RightMark puts out...their "user guide" doesn't explain it.
[17:23] <Guest97913> hi, im trying to get my sound working on kubuntu 9.04, my sound card is not detected by the system its INTEL ICH 8, it is not listed in the alsa sound card support, what can i do ?(its a notebook)
[17:31] <Riddell> jptet6818: you need to check out the whole kdesdk module
[17:31] <Riddell> and run cmake on that
[17:31] <Riddell> then you can cd umbrello; make to only build umbrello
[17:33] <jptet6818> Riddell: I think I already have done that but I will try again just to be sure... give some minutes.
[17:34] <geek_> anyone aware how to format into ntfs?
[17:37] <jptet6818> Riddell: having HOME at /home/kde-devel and kdesdk root source directory at  /home/kde-devel/kde/src/kdesdk, what will be the right cmake command?
[17:37] <Mamarok> Guest97913: what is the exact number of your soundcard?
[17:38] <Guest97913> 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 03)
[17:38] <Riddell> jptet6818: #kde-devel would know better I think
[17:39] <SansNom> bonjour
[17:39] <Joschil> bon soir;
[17:39] <Mamarok> Guest97913: and where did it say it was not supported?
[17:39] <Guest97913> http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Matrix:Vendor-Intel
[17:39] <jptet6818> Riddell: ok, I will try there. Tks a lot!
[17:42] <Mamarok> Guest97913: there seems to be a patch and instructions, check here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=747054
[17:44] <davidjheinrich> does anyone know if there is some linux software to upload photos directly to tabblo.com?
[17:44] <meganut> Hi
[17:44] <prasanth> hi how to install yahoomesenger
[17:45] <prasanth> as i need to do voive chat
[17:46] <Shadoze> http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=29
[17:46] <Shadoze> http://www.pidgin.im/
[17:47] <antares> prasanth in ubuntu you can configure yahoo account with pidgin
[17:47] <Shadoze> http://in.docs.yahoo.com/messenger/download/unix.html
[17:47] <Mamarok> davidjheinrich: I don't think any specific for that platform, no, as it looks quite proprietary
[17:47] <antares> but you must download it
[17:47] <davidjheinrich> arg, that blows
[17:47] <prasanth> but voice chat is not available
[17:47] <Mamarok> davidjheinrich: ask HP, but if you can upload from a file manager, any file manager will do
[17:48] <antares> so you can install kopete for KDE
[17:48] <davidjheinrich> their website uses Java Runtime Environment to upload multiple files at once (by selecting them), if don't use Java, have to browse to and add 1-by-1...but when I try to install Java Runtime Environment on FF3, it says "Not Available" and refesr me to a "manual install"
[17:48] <Shadoze> kopete comes with Kubuntu
[17:49] <Shadoze> @ davidjheinrich - sudo apt-get install sun-java6
[17:49] <davidjheinrich> it says "E: Couldn't find package sun-java6"
[17:49] <Shadoze> sory my bad
[17:49] <Shadoze> sun-java6-bin
[17:50] <Shadoze> That will give you the jre, however not the plugin for mozilla
[17:50] <Shadoze> so AFTER you've done that do
[17:50] <davidjheinrich> which reminds me, how do I find packages with apt-get? I remember with Gentoo's emerge, you could search for packages that had a certain word inthem, or were for purpsoe X
[17:50] <Shadoze> sun-java6-plugin
[17:50] <jussi01> apt-cache search
[17:50] <davidjheinrich> thanks!
[17:50] <Shadoze> do sudo apt-get install sun-java6-plugin      >>> after you've installed the first one i gave you
[17:50] <Shadoze> then restart firefox and your away
[17:51] <Shadoze> Brb
[17:51] <binary_> can somebody help me I cant see my desktop icons in kubuntu 9.04 why?
[17:51] <Mamarok> binary_: desktop icons?
[17:51] <binary_> yes
[17:52] <Mamarok> binary_: icons you did set yourself?
[17:52] <davidjheinrich> Shadoze, jussi01: thanks, that works great!
[17:52] <binary_> This is my first time in kde eviroment
[17:52] <binary_> i didnt know i had to set them
[17:52] <binary_> I was trying to save to desktop
[17:52] <Mamarok> binary_: there are no desktop icons, but desktop widgets
[17:52] <binary_> and could only see them if I viewed the4 dektop folder but not on the desktop
[17:52] <desu> binary_: right clik on the desktop -> settings -> folder view
[17:52] <binary_> so if i download firefox to the dektop it wont show?
[17:53] <Mamarok> and one does not use the desktop to save stuff to
[17:53] <binary_> why not?
[17:53] <Mamarok> binary_: downloads should go to ~/Downloads
[17:53]  * PitTux_64 is back.
[17:53] <desu> Mamarok: firefox by default downloads EVERYTHING to the desktop
[17:53] <Mamarok> PitTux_64: please remove your public messages
[17:53] <binary_> i cant even get firefox to instal speaking of wich
[17:53] <binary_> is ther no apt-get in kubuntu?
[17:53] <Mamarok> desu: that's weird, I know
[17:54] <Mamarok> binary_: of course there is, from the command line, but you need to type sudo apt-get install firefox
[17:54] <Mamarok> then it will ask your password
[17:54] <binary_> i did that mamarok
[17:54] <binary_> and it said there is no packages
[17:55] <Mamarok> binary_: what did you type exactly?
[17:55] <binary_> sudo apt-get install firefox
[17:55] <Mamarok> binary_: then there's something wrong with your sources-list
[17:56] <binary_> ah
[17:56] <Mamarok> sources.list
[17:56] <binary_> I may have forgot to enable some repositories sorry
[17:56] <binary_> im checking now
[17:56] <Mamarok> binary_: it's in the main repository, you can't have disabled that...
[17:56] <binary_> oh nvm then
[17:56] <binary_> im so confused jeez lol
[17:57] <Mamarok> binary_: are you familiar with the command line?
[17:57] <binary_> yes
[17:57] <Mamarok> ok, check your /etc/apt/sources.list entries
[17:57] <binary_> ok one sec
[17:58] <anfi_> test
[18:00] <binary_> sorry installing gedit real quick
[18:00] <bart_> guys is there any way i can get rid of the network manager widget and get the old knetworkmanager like in 8.10
[18:00] <Mamarok> binary_: there's kate in Kubuntu
[18:00] <binary_> ohhh ok
[18:01] <binary_> ok im in what am i looking for?
[18:01] <phh> bart_: install network-manager-kde
[18:01] <darkham> i've this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-_6cImHM0U in desktop folder
[18:01] <darkham> something new about?
[18:01] <Mamarok> binary_: past it to http://pastebin.com and give the link here
[18:02] <Mamarok> darkham: could you be more specific? by text instead of a video maybe?
[18:02] <darkham> a circle of little circles flashing at the center of the screen
[18:02] <binary_> http://pastebin.com/d21396c9b
[18:03] <bart_> yea well i already tried that i installed that but i still dont have knetworkmanager phh
[18:03] <phh> hu
[18:03] <draik_> How do I convert ogg to mp3?
[18:04] <Mamarok> binary_: that looks ok so far
[18:04] <phh> draik_: basically, ogg123 |lame
[18:04] <phh> don't know the options
[18:04] <binary_> maybe it isnt install firefox and i am missing some syntax?
[18:04] <Mamarok> binary_: do you get an error when you type sudo apt-get install firefox?
[18:04] <draik_> phh: What's the app?
[18:04] <binary_> one sec
[18:05] <binary_> wow it works now
[18:05] <phh> draik_: i mean: use ogg123 which will decompress the stream, and pipe it's output too lame
[18:05] <binary_> but i used the same command as before
[18:05] <Mamarok> binary_: you probably just made a typo the first time
[18:05] <phh> barnoid: on karmic it do works ...
[18:05] <binary_> maybe i needed to open the source.list first?
[18:05] <binary_> it wasnt a typo because i pushed up and used the prior command
[18:06] <phh> hum
[18:06] <binary_> i didnt retype it
[18:06] <Mamarok> phh: Karmic is Alpha and not supported here
[18:06] <phh> not barnoid
[18:06] <binary_> wierd
[18:06] <phh> Mamarok: ... that's no question.
[18:06] <binary_> either way thank you
[18:06] <phh> damn, bart_ is no longer here
[18:06] <Mamarok> binary_: yaw :)
[18:06] <binary_> lol later guys
[18:06] <Mamarok> phh: watch your language!
[18:07] <phh> Mamarok: what about my language ?
[18:07] <Mamarok> phh: don't swear please
[18:09] <phh> Mamarok: can you explain me where is the problem: i was just saying to bart_ that installing network-manager-kde on karmic, do install knetworkmanager
[18:09] <phh> so where is the problem ?
[18:10] <Mamarok> phh: 19:06 < phh> damn, bart_ is no longer here
[18:10] <Mamarok> that's swearing and not allowed here
[18:10] <Mamarok> read the guidelines
[18:10] <bart_> anybody lookin for me
[18:11] <phh> bart_: is your problem with knetworkmanager fixed ?
[18:13] <bart_> not exactly man i have already installed that package but nothing yet
[18:13] <bart_> heres the output phh network-manager-kde is already the newest version.
[18:13] <phh> barnoid: what do you mean by "nothing yet"?
[18:14] <phh> it won't start magically by himself
[18:14] <phh> you have to kill the NM palsmoid and start knetworkmanager
[18:15] <bart_> i have killed the nm widget and theres no way for me to launch it because i cant see it in k menu under the internet section so how am i supposed to launch it
[18:17] <bart_> maybe i should try rebooting
[18:18] <Haradrim> hello everyone
[18:18] <davidjheinrich_> how do I get Dolphin to show previews of JPEGs?
[18:18] <Haradrim> i've a problem in kde
[18:19] <Haradrim> i don't arrive to install a kdm theme (sorry for the spelling, i'm french)
[18:20] <Mamarok> Haradrim: there are french channels too: #ubuntu-fr, if you prefer
[18:21] <Mamarok> Haradrim: which Kubuntu do you use, what KDE version?
[18:21] <Haradrim> no, 'cause the problem is in kubuntu
[18:22] <Haradrim> And there are no users of kde at the moment
[18:26] <Mamarok> Haradrim: that's not the point :)
[18:26] <Mamarok> you would get Kubuntu support also there, but in French
[18:27] <Mamarok> Haradrim: also, I asked you some questions, could you answer please?
[18:28] <Haradrim> Mamarok : it's KDE 4.2.2
[18:28] <Mamarok> Haradrim: there are not many KDM themes for KDE 4 yet, most are for KDE 3 on kde-lloks.org
[18:28] <Mamarok> looks*
[18:29] <Haradrim> okay
[18:29] <Mamarok> Haradrim: to install a different theme, you need to go to system settings -> Appearance
[18:30] <Mamarok> Haradrim: then Splash Screen, and there is a button for installing new Splash screens
[18:30] <Mamarok> Haradrim: you can not change the background separately yet AFAIK
[18:31] <Haradrim> thank
[18:31] <Haradrim> thanks*
[18:31] <Haradrim> it's maybe 'cause i can't install my theme
[18:32] <bettafan> hola
[18:34] <asif> hello
[18:34] <asif> just installed ubuntu on my lappy
[18:34] <asif> cpu is overheating
[18:34] <asif> any ideas
[18:35] <asif> anyone??
[18:35] <draik> How do I add the 'apt' protocol support to firefox?
[18:35] <draik> asif: check your heatsink and cooling.
[18:35] <asif> it works fine in windows mate
[18:36] <asif> buggered it up by putting in the wrong restore cds and and cant find the orginal ones
[18:36] <asif> lol
[18:37] <asif> its always only the one core tho that keeps reaching temps of 104 was the highest
[18:37] <asif> toshiba p100-429
[18:43] <draik> Got it sorted out. Have a good one, everybody.
[19:02] <asif> help
[19:02] <asif> anyone
[19:03] <Tm_T> !help
[19:03] <Tm_T> !helpme
[19:03] <Tm_T> there's the one
[19:03] <asif> laptop is going crazy
[19:03] <asif> fans are going mad
[19:03] <asif> and cpu temp is at 87-100%
[19:04] <asif> ive had it shut down a few times also
[19:04] <phh> what means a temperature in % ?
[19:04] <asif> sorry what i meant was the temp is between 87-100
[19:04] <asif> degrees celsis
[19:04] <phh> ok
[19:04] <asif> its ast 100 c
[19:04] <asif> its at 100 c now
[19:05] <phh> and, what's the problem ?
[19:05] <asif> fans are spinning fast slow fats slow
[19:05] <asif> fast*
[19:05] <Tm_T> sounds like you have something running wild in background
[19:05] <asif> ive checked my services
[19:05] <asif> nothing there
[19:06] <phh> asif: check top for high consuming porcess
[19:06] <asif> firefox is at 46%
[19:06] <asif> that is it
[19:06] <asif> any ideas??
[19:07] <Tm_T> asif: would it help if you close firefox?
[19:07] <Kasm279> get opera?
[19:07] <Kasm279> :D
[19:07] <Tm_T> Kasm279: don't even start with that
[19:07] <Tm_T> o k
[19:07] <asif> i like firefox
[19:07] <phh> why people keep using firefox on kubuntu, while there is a "native" excellent one called konqueror ....
[19:08] <Tm_T> asif: would it help if you close firefox?
[19:08] <asif> closed it
[19:08] <Tm_T> asif: and does it help?
[19:08] <asif> cpu temp has gone down to 70 c
[19:08] <asif> yeh its coming down now
[19:08] <asif> thats gay
[19:08] <Tm_T> asif: watch your language, please
[19:08] <asif> sorry
[19:09] <asif> weird tho still
[19:09] <Tm_T> asif: indeed, might like to check if it's some webpage or is it some of plugins/extensions you're using
[19:09] <asif> how can i do that
[19:10] <asif> uninstall plugin ata a time
[19:10] <asif> and see??
[19:10] <Tm_T> asif: disable one at time
[19:10] <Being_Tsukasa> whats the sound troubleshooting webpage?
[19:10] <Tm_T> !sound
[19:10] <Tm_T> Being_Tsukasa: ^
[19:10] <Being_Tsukasa> kk ty
[19:11] <phh> asif: first install flashblock and see if not starting flash shows any improvement
[19:12] <asif> ive just disable moonlight is it
[19:12] <asif> seems to be ok now
[19:12] <asif> i will keep tsting
[19:13] <asif> cheers guys
[19:19] <jl> Is there a channel for Netbook Remix Help?
[19:21] <pc> hi, how can I change my nick?
[19:29] <mena> a
[19:55] <x_link> Hi!
[19:55] <x_link> How do I kill X in Kubuntu?
[19:56] <x_link> I did sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop before, but then I didn't came to a prompt.
[19:57] <davidjheinrich> hi all
[19:58] <davidjheinrich> does anyone know if there's a way to make DigiKam's preview panel at the bottom behave more normal? (i.e., not center on he picture I select, so the scrolled position suddenly changes)?
[20:10] <davidjheinrich> is there a way to group windows together so that they all appear ontop when one is selected? I.e., I want to group GIMP images and hte GIMP toolbar? (in KDE4)
[20:12] <Shadoze> erm
[20:20] <Barridus> anyone know where the themes are stored in kde4?  i need to remove one completely as i suspect it's crashing my appearance settings app
[20:23] <p-f> I just plugged an external monitor into my laptop's vga plug, pressed the CRT/LCD button and nothing happened. What else am I supposed to do to get dual monitors?
[20:24] <p-f> used to work fine on windows out of the box if I remember well
[20:24] <jussi01> p-f: alt+f2 -> krandrtray
[20:25] <heinkel_111> p-f also see in the system settings
[20:25] <heinkel_111> there is a page there to control setup of multiple monitors afaik
[20:25] <heinkel_111> i used that with my laptop some time ago
[20:26] <p-f> jussi01: aha, thanks
[20:26] <jussi01> p-f: sorted now?
[20:26] <p-f> heinkel_111: krandrtray worked, thanks though :)
[20:26] <jussi01> ahh, great :)
[20:26] <p-f> jussi01: the resolution is terrible, but at least I see pixels
[20:27] <p-f> except kate crashed
[20:27] <p-f> but that's completely normal, kate likes crashing a lot
[20:27] <p-f> wait, this isn't dual screen, it's double output
[20:28] <p-f> ...and kde just died
[20:28] <heinkel_111> O_o
[20:31] <p-f> yeah ok, basically doing anything that involves krandrtray completely kills kde
[20:40] <carolija> mornin all ;]
[20:50] <x_link> Hi
[20:50] <x_link> I just installed Kubuntu 8.10
[20:50] <rafaelbreyer> Hi
[20:50] <x_link> How do I upgrade to KDE 4.2?
[20:51] <Phibes> hiya, anyonw know how to get rid of the top panel? some wine games still show that panel/bar
[20:58] <SteBo> x_link: just upgrade to Kubuntu 9.04, it includes KDE 4.2.
[21:19] <WaSeidel> hi people i got a question for anybody i just installed kubuntu-desktop from gnome and i cant watch flash animations or flash videos on firefox, plus i dont know ho to made kde as default sesion
[21:23] <WaSeidel> hi people i got a question for anybody i just installed kubuntu-desktop from gnome and i cant watch flash animations or flash videos on firefox, plus i dont know ho to made kde as default sesion???
[21:23] <kaddi> !flash|WaSeidel
[21:24] <SteBo> WaSeidel: you can configure your default session in the login manager
[21:24] <SteBo> WaSeidel: where you enter your user name and password after booting.
[21:25] <WaSeidel> kaddi: i allready have installed flash player it works fine on ubuntu with gnome but here in kubuntu it doesn't work
[21:28] <kaddi> WaSeidel: can you check whether flash is listed as plugin in FF?
[21:28] <kaddi> does flash work in FF with gnome?
[21:29] <WaSeidel> kaddi: tnx it works just restarting firefox
[21:30] <kaddi> ok, great :D
[21:30] <Shadoze> about:plugins
[21:33] <XVampireX> Hi people
[21:34] <XVampireX> I figured out most stuff now in kubuntu jaunty jackalope, but it looks like firefox doesn't understand what to do with mimetypes anymore...
[21:35] <XVampireX> when I download something, I need to give it an action to open up dolphin via /usr/bin/dolphin, and then if I set it to default, it will do it for all other file types... any idea?
[21:37] <neversfelde> XVampireX: seems to be quite normal
[21:37] <XVampireX> Well I just read that KDE integration is removed  with firefox 3
[21:38] <administrator> hi alle zusammen
[21:38] <neversfelde> there was a KDE Integration?
[21:38] <XVampireX> no
[21:38] <XVampireX> I don't know
[21:38] <WaSeidel> XVampireX: do you can tell me where say that?
[21:38] <XVampireX> I guess you're not a firefox user
[21:38] <XVampireX> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Firefox3KDEIntegrationIntrepid
[21:39] <XVampireX> it's for intrepid but still... the same applies here I guess
[21:40] <XVampireX> Another thing, I can't get mame to work....
[21:41] <neversfelde> XVampireX: seems to be only a planned feature
[21:41] <XVampireX> Any chance for help on that? :-/
[21:42] <neversfelde> XVampireX: what's the problem to set it manually the first time you open a mime type?
[21:43] <XVampireX> ah, nevermind >_<
[21:44] <Guest8903> Please help me: just installed a fresh install of Kubuntu jaunty and now when I start my computer all I get is a Error 15 after GRUB tries to load
[21:44] <Guest8903> what can I do
[21:45] <Guest8903> anyone, please
[21:46] <Guest8903> please someone help me I don't know what to do
[21:48] <Barridus> google is your friend
[21:48] <Barridus> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=297261
[21:49] <cinex> Guest8903: error 15 might be something to do with a missing file
[21:50] <cinex> you should try to reinstall grub
[21:50] <Guest8903> how can I do that... I'm not a very experienced linux user
[21:50] <SteBo> Guest8903: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/grub-error-guide.xml
[21:51] <SteBo> Guest8903: This is a error you need some experience to fix to.
[21:51] <cinex> Guest8903: i will find u instructions (u running alive cd??)
[21:51] <Guest8903> no, just made a fresh installation of kubuntu jaunty
[21:52] <cinex> Guest8903: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=224351
[21:52] <Guest8903> kept just one partition as it was (where I've backed up my files) and formatted everything else
[21:52] <cinex> well Guest8903 you must be running some kind of operating system or you woulnt be in here chatting
[21:52] <Guest8903> I'm at a notebook, cinex
[21:52] <Guest8903> the desktop is the problem
[21:52] <Guest8903> my desktop machine I mean
[21:53] <cinex> oh ok, well load up a live cd and try the instructions on that page
[21:53] <Guest8903> k, wll do it now
[21:53] <Guest8903> loading the live cd
[21:55] <cinex> Guest8903: did the install get to 100% complete?
[21:55] <Guest8903> cinex, yes it did
[21:55] <Guest8903> cinex, this happened after the reboot
[21:56] <cinex> kk, im nipping of for 20 mins, if your still here when i get back ill ask u how it went
[21:56] <Guest8903> ok, thanks cinex
[21:56] <cinex> np
[21:59] <Guest50554> hola aguien que quiera hablar conmigo tengo 13 años
[22:01] <Guest8903> cinex, still there
[22:17] <SilentDis> !fsck
[22:23] <tryke_> join #barcelona
[22:23] <cinex> Guest8903: ??
[22:24] <Guest8903> hey cinex
[22:24] <Guest8903> I've followed those instructions, but didn't worked I'm trying a new fresh install
[22:24] <Guest8903> making the reboot now
[22:25] <Guest8903> cinex, got it!!!! It was really my fault
[22:28] <Guest8903> cinex, Thanks a lot for your help, everything is a-ok now
[22:32] <Barridus> what is this funky app switcher i get randomly sometimes
[22:33] <Barridus> the screen dims and  thumbnails of whatever apps i have open appear
[22:35] <DarthGeek> I'm having a problem installing KDE 4.2.3... I added the line to sources.list but something fails on sudo apt-get update
[22:35] <DarthGeek> W: Failed to fetch http://ppa/launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/ppa/ubuntu/dists/jaunty/Release.gpg  Could not resolve 'ppa'
[22:35] <DarthGeek> W: Failed to fetch http://ppa/launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/ppa/ubuntu/dists/jaunty/main/i18n/Translation-en_US.bz2Could not resolve 'ppa'
[22:35] <DarthGeek> W: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
[22:35] <DarthGeek> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[22:35] <DarthGeek> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[22:35] <DarthGeek> I tried sudo apt-get upgrade but it didn't seem to do anything
[22:35] <Unksi> DarthGeek: you have an error on the line in /etc/apt/sources.list
[22:36] <Mamarok> DarthGeek: you need to add the gpg key to your keyring
[22:36] <Unksi> it needs to be like this: deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/ppa/ubuntu  jaunty main
[22:36] <Unksi> all in one single line
[22:36] <Barridus> what is this funky app switcher that's appeared a couple times, and how do i invoke it on purpose?
[22:37] <xjjk> Barridus: funky in what way
[22:37] <Unksi> Barridus: alt+f2?
[22:37] <Mamarok> Barridus: krunner?
[22:37] <Barridus> the screen dims and  thumbnails of whatever apps i have open appear
[22:37] <DarthGeek> Unksi: That appears to be exactly what I have
[22:37] <Barridus> i don't know what it is
[22:37] <DarthGeek> unless I'm not catching a typo somewhere
[22:38] <cinex> sweet
[22:38] <Unksi> it looks like a typo when you look at the error urls^
[22:38] <xjjk> Barridus: yeh, I forgot what that's called... it's called Scale in Compiz, Expose in OS X
[22:38] <xjjk> Barridus: one of the function keys invokes it
[22:38] <Barridus> scale?
[22:38] <xjjk> you can go into System Settings > Desktop > Desktop Effects
[22:38] <xjjk> and set so it happens when you go to a screen edge
[22:38] <Unksi> Barridus: try pushing the cursor through upper left corner for expose
[22:38] <xjjk> or, set a hotkey for it
[22:39] <Unksi> thats the default for it
[22:39] <Barridus> ah damn
[22:39] <xjjk> Unksi: thanks, I changed the default
[22:39] <Barridus> it must be set to a screen edge then
[22:39] <xjjk> Barridus: it's called Scale in Compiz, it's called something else in KDE
[22:39] <Barridus> since you mentioned it could be i tested the edges
[22:39] <Barridus> it must default to the upper corner
[22:39] <xjjk> Barridus: you can change the hotkey, or which corner/edge activates it
[22:40] <Barridus> yeah
[22:40] <Mamarok> oh, that's the Desktop Grid :)
[22:40] <Barridus> i just didn't know what it was called
[22:40] <Mamarok> Barridus: ^^
[22:40] <xjjk> Mamarok: AFAIK it's not the deskop grid...
[22:40] <Barridus> now that i know what it's set to (it appeared to be random before) i'll prolly just keep it the way it is
[22:40] <Barridus> could be handy XD
[22:40] <Unksi> yeah it is :)
[22:40] <xjjk> Desktop grid zooms out desktops
[22:41] <xjjk> Scale/whatever we're talking about zooms out applications
[22:41] <xjjk> on the current desktop
[22:41] <Mamarok> xjjk: no, it displays all open windows in a grid
[22:41] <xjjk> Mamarok: that's not desktop grid
[22:41] <Mamarok> xjjk: what you mean is the Desktop Flip
[22:41] <xjjk> Mamarok: I just set "desktop grid" to an edge now
[22:41] <xjjk> and it's different than what we're talking about
[22:42] <Mamarok> xjjk: yeah, but that's what Barridus is talking about
[22:42] <DarthGeek> I still have no idea what's wrong in the line... I have "deb http://ppa/launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/ubuntu jaunty main"
[22:42] <DarthGeek> no
[22:42] <DarthGeek> it's
[22:42] <xjjk> Mamarok: I think Barridus is talking about the Expose-like zooming out of applications, not desktops
[22:42] <xjjk> Mamarok: in System Settings it's just called "Present Windows"
[22:43] <Barridus> yeah this is an app switcher not desktop switcher
[22:43] <DarthGeek> "deb http://ppa/launchpad/net/kubuntu-ppa/ppa/ubuntu jaunty main"
[22:43] <DarthGeek> meh, "launchpad.net" not "launchpad/net"
[22:44] <Mamarok> DarthGeek: you seem to have another dpkg instance open:
[22:44] <Mamarok> 23:35 < DarthGeek> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[22:44] <Mamarok> 23:35 < DarthGeek> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[22:44] <Barridus> are the package dependency issues resolved for 4.2.3?
[22:44] <Mamarok> Barridus: long time ago
[22:44] <Barridus> define "long time"
[22:44] <DarthGeek> crap, I had Adept open
[22:45] <Mamarok> Barridus: like 3 days after the first apps appeared in the PPA
[22:45] <Barridus> hmm
[22:45] <DarthGeek> it still keeps saying "could not resolve 'ppa'"
[22:45] <Barridus> i ran into some bad issues like a week ago, Mamarok
[22:46] <ernesto> so... does anybody here have kubuntu taking almost all of their memory upon boot?  i have 1 GB of ram an jaunty just takes 700MB on its own
[22:46] <Unksi> DarthGeek: you have another / instead of . there?
[22:46] <DarthGeek> no
[22:46] <DarthGeek> that was a typo here
[22:46] <Unksi> ok
[22:47] <Barridus> Mamarok, i assume 4.2.3 won't hit the jaunty repos, right?
[22:47] <Mamarok> ernesto: what application? what does top tell you?
[22:47] <Mamarok> Barridus: might go to the backports
[22:47] <Guest40997> can somebody help me 9.04 my taskbar dosnt load on start up ??
[22:47] <ernesto> when i do top the applications listed don't take more than 15% of the memory
[22:48] <ernesto> but my free memory is around 300 megs... i just find it odd
[22:48] <Barridus> then what is telling you 700mb
[22:48] <Barridus> cache, ernesto ?
[22:48] <Mamarok> ernesto: so it's memory you are talking about, not CPI, right?
[22:48] <ernesto> sorry, CPI?
[22:49] <Mamarok> CPU, sry
[22:49] <Barridus> the extra memory is probably used as cache, ernesto
[22:49] <ernesto> yes CPU
[22:49] <ernesto> top does say around 700MB for cache
[22:49] <Mamarok> ernesto: well, top tells you what app uses the CPU too
[22:49] <ernesto> out of curiosity what is it caching?
[22:49] <Barridus> just random things prolly
[22:49] <ernesto> thx mamarok, im familiar with that ^_^
[22:49] <Barridus> better than having the memory do nothing :)
[22:49] <DarthGeek> ah, found the typo
[22:49] <Barridus> it'll reclaim it as needed
[22:49] <DarthGeek> thx, bye
[22:50] <ernesto> i was just concerned since the experience with ubuntu was different
[22:50] <Mamarok> ernesto: Linux allways uses most of the memory if possible, else it would make no sense to have it
[22:50] <Barridus> ubuntu does the same ting, ernesto
[22:50] <Guest6879> Can somebody help me 9.04 my taskbar doesn't load on start up ??
[22:50] <Barridus> it just shows you differently
[22:50] <ernesto> really? i never bothered checking the cache portion of top
[22:50] <Mamarok> Guest6879: you mean the panel?
[22:50] <ernesto> i always looked at total mem and used mem
[22:50] <Guest6879> yes
[22:51] <Barridus> Guest6879, right click on dektop, add panel?
[22:51] <Barridus> unlock widgets if need be first
[22:51] <Guest6879> i dont mean that
[22:51] <Barridus> ernesto, yeah i swear :D
[22:52] <Mamarok> Guest6879: what do you mean then?
[22:52] <Barridus> then what do you mean
[22:52] <Guest6879> i have add this but if i start kubuntu new they dont load again and if ic go under systemsettings than they load sry but im german :P
[22:52] <Mamarok> Guest6879: come to @kubuntu-de then
[22:52] <ernesto> btw i've been trying to find a "tutorial" page to enable compiz in kubuntu... no luck with google
[22:52] <Mamarok> arghs, #kubuntu-de I mean
[22:52] <ernesto> any page you can point me too?
[22:53] <Guest6879> ok thanks
[22:53] <Barridus> ernesto, system settings-> desktop->desktop effects
[22:53] <ernesto> searching for kubuntu stuff in google is painfull... i feel like minirity... "did you mean UBUNTU?" mp da,ot >.<
[22:53] <Mamarok> ernesto: there are the Desktop Effects, no need for compiz
[22:53] <ernesto> i have kwin going full blast
[22:53] <ernesto> i guess i miss compiz
[22:53] <Barridus> it's very similar in KDE
[22:53] <Barridus> just called something different
[22:54] <Mamarok> ernesto: you can do pretty much the same with Desktop Effects, you will not miss compiz
[22:54] <Barridus> ernesto, yeah it has the cube and everything
[22:55] <ernesto> what about the application switcher where all apps are circled around your screen
[22:55] <ernesto> do you know which one i am talking about?
[22:55] <Ty> OK what are the commands to correct a messed up gui with huge font and small screen size?  I'm about to install Kubuntu
[22:56] <Ty> and that happens
[22:56] <Ty> so I need the commands to correct it
[22:56] <ernesto> what firewalls do you guys use btw? anybody using guarddog by any chance?
[22:57] <Unksi> just plain iptables
[22:57] <ernesto> wow hardcore ^_^
[22:58]  * Ty wants commands!  I command give me commands! muahahahahahha D:
[22:58] <Barridus> ernesto, i don't think it has the ring one, it has some of the others, and one ubuntu compiz does not, iirc
[22:58] <Barridus> i haven't used gnome/compiz in a long time
[22:58] <Unksi> its not actualy that difficult if you just read some good documentation, if you have the time and will for it^
[22:59] <ernesto> say i assume you guys use ktorrent right?
[22:59] <Barridus> yeah
[22:59] <Unksi> yeah thats a really good client
[22:59] <Barridus> it blows away the GTK clients, imo
[22:59] <Unksi> yup
[22:59] <Barridus> it's basically utorrent for linux
[23:00] <ernesto> well in ubuntu after forwarding the ports and allow it in teh firewall, my GTK client would work just dandy
[23:00] <ernesto> in kubuntu however..
[23:00] <Barridus> ktorrent just has some great features
[23:00] <ernesto> ktorrent fails with some trackers unless i "disable" the firewall
[23:00] <flector> Tracker keeps hanging on startup.  have to sudo kill it
[23:00] <ernesto> besides forwarding the ports you set up in the configuration menu, did you guys have to do anything else?
[23:01] <Barridus> i'm of the opinion that software firewalls are essentially snake oil
[23:01] <ernesto> its driving me nuts...
[23:01] <ernesto> lol.. snake oil?
[23:01] <Barridus> yeah
[23:01] <Barridus> look at a product like zone alarm or mccaffee
[23:01] <Barridus> it'll say within a week you've been ZOMG ATTACKED 10,000 TIMES
[23:02] <ernesto> lol yeah i remember... back in the day i had windoWZ machines
[23:02] <Barridus> aka snake oil
[23:03] <ernesto> they probably do that to make you feel "protected"
[23:03] <Unksi> and to create impression that they are needed more, not to say that they are useless tho^
[23:03] <dam> hello Xine won't detect any of my sound drivers what do I do ??
[23:03] <Barridus> they're useless for 99% of the people that have them XD
[23:03] <ernesto> hahaha true
[23:03] <Barridus> they won't stop a real attack
[23:04] <Unksi> yep
[23:04] <Unksi> and most people have those nat-boxes anyway
[23:04] <Unksi> so there is no direct connection^
[23:04] <Barridus> yep
[23:04] <ernesto> so i guess going back with the ktorrent issue... how many ports did you guys set up.. iptable wise for it?
[23:05] <Barridus> i just set up 2 i think
[23:05] <Unksi> i have used only 1 for both tcp/udp
[23:05] <Barridus> yeh i think i have 1 for tcp, and 1 for udp, i rarely torrent that much on my linux boxes, so dunno if that's "ideal"
[23:06] <Unksi> guess it depends on the client
[23:06] <Unksi> if it wants to run each torrent on its own port or not
[23:06] <Barridus> does ktorrent do that
[23:06] <Barridus> ?
[23:06] <Unksi> no
[23:07] <Barridus> now that it's brought up and fresh in my mind, i aughta check out my ktorrent setup
[23:09] <rakista> You can use Vuze but it is CPU intensive
[23:10] <rakista> You can use it with safepeer to protect you from the RIAA MPAA
[23:10] <Barridus> vuze can suck it
[23:15] <flector> dumb firewall question from a linux newb: how can I get a notification when an app attempts to connect to the outside world?
[23:18] <ernesto> barridus: did you check your ktorrent port setup?
[23:22] <rox> i need some help with my wireless, i see the router but it wont configure it
[23:22] <rox> when i try to connect
[23:22] <Barridus> ernesto, yeah but i have no idea how ktorrent reports whether or not the port is blocked or not
[23:23] <Barridus> i'm assuming it is, since i'm connected to a bunch of peers and getting decent speed, but idk for sure
[23:26] <rox> anyone here
[23:29] <LadyNikon> rox: people are here now whether they can help you with your question is another issue.
[23:31] <Shadoze> Hello
[23:31] <Shadoze> What's your problem?
[23:31] <Shadoze> @ rox and yes LadyNixon is right
[23:33] <girohgir> ok need help. i had dual boot winxp & kubuntu 6.??, 7.04 and 7.10 on this desktop with no problem. now i've installed 9.04 and everything runs smooth, except that, when I restart, exiting kubuntu and going to win, the nic says "cable unplugged", and its not.
[23:34] <Barridus> easy fix, don't boot to windows ;)
[23:35] <girohgir> turning off and on again doesnt work, and there are no lights on the nic... if I boot again to kubuntu, sometime after the nic lights starts blinking again
[23:35] <girohgir> so obviously kubuntu or linux or some module is somehow deactivating the nic
[23:35] <dthacker> girohgir: Network card works under kubuntu, does not work under windows. correct?
[23:36] <girohgir> dthacker, yep
[23:36] <Barridus> power cycle doesn't fix?  odd.
[23:36] <girohgir> one time i solved it shutting down and completely removing the cable from the power supply, and waiting for a few minutes...
[23:37] <girohgir> when turned pc on, the lights were back right on POST message... but now its not working this "fix" anymore
[23:37] <Barridus> do you have a different card to swap and test if it also does the same thing?
[23:37] <girohgir> no i havent...
[23:37] <dthacker> girohgir: I'm not aware of anything Kubuntu could change that would deactivate the card for another os.  I suggest you try to delete and re-add the card to windows.  IMO, this is not a kubuntu issue.
[23:37] <Barridus> yeah that's also my thought
[23:37] <rakista> I had a card do that
[23:37] <Barridus> or the hardware is dying and coincidence it happened when you went to 9.04
[23:37] <girohgir> well... maybe not kubuntu but definately linux-wise... the driver or something
[23:37] <rakista> It had something to do how windows handled power saving mode for the nic
[23:38] <girohgir> you see
[23:38] <Barridus> there's nothing linux could do to your network card that would persist beyond power shutoff....
[23:38] <dthacker> girohgir: if you boot the machine under windows, the kubuntu drivers have no effect.
[23:38] <girohgir> when the mobo has energy but the pc is not turned on, I should see the nic lights. normally its that way
[23:39] <girohgir> but after going to kubuntu, when i shut down from kubuntu, it does something to the nic, that when i renergize the mobo there are no lights...
[23:39] <girohgir> and only kubuntu reactivates it
[23:39] <girohgir> im saying kubuntu but maybe its the driver btw
[23:39] <girohgir> anyway
[23:39] <dthacker> girohgir: IMO, an even stronger indication that rakista's observation about power saving mode may have something to do with it.  I suggest you update your windows drivers and look for a windows solution.
[23:39] <girohgir> is this module?
[23:40] <rakista> You can turn off the power saving mode in the drivers in windows through device manager
[23:40] <girohgir> dont you agree that before hitting the power button the nic lights should already be on?
[23:40] <rakista> That is the first thing I do with Wireless nics esp
[23:40] <girohgir> and on the POST bios message, the nic lights should already be blinking
[23:41] <dthacker> giroghir:  I don't know enough about your hardware to verify that.
[23:41] <girohgir> but since gone from kubuntu they dont blink or light up
[23:41] <girohgir> atheros l2 onboard
[23:41] <girohgir> but its the norm
[23:42] <rakista> Is it a wireless nic ?
[23:42] <girohgir> i tried reinstalling win drivers
[23:42] <girohgir> no
[23:42] <girohgir> WIRED
[23:42] <girohgir> deactivating and reactivating
[23:43] <dthacker> giroghir: if kubuntu is setting a mode on shutdown that windows is unable to revers on startup, then I don't know how to help you.
[23:43] <girohgir> rakista, WIRED nic
[23:43] <girohgir> well
[23:44] <girohgir> dthacker, is it possible to make ubuntu not set that mode?
[23:44] <girohgir> ok im gonna try removing the module or something like that
[23:44] <girohgir> I am positive that
[23:44] <girohgir> if I HARD reset the pc
[23:44] <girohgir> the nic wont 'die'
[23:44] <dthacker> girohgir: I don't know.  I suggest a post to the questions section on launchpad
[23:44] <girohgir> hmm
[23:44] <Barridus> you said you power cycled already, girohgir
[23:44] <girohgir> ubuntu launchpad?
[23:44] <Barridus> what do you mean by "hard reset"
[23:45] <girohgir> Barridus, pressing the reset button
[23:45] <k4_k4> i also got an atheoros card
[23:45] <girohgir> Barridus, without waiting for the OS to normally shut down everything
[23:45] <Barridus> ah
[23:45] <dthacker> https://answers.launchpad.net/
[23:46] <dthacker> girohgir: or post your question on the networking section of the forums
[23:46] <girohgir> launchpad forums?
[23:47] <dthacker> girohgir: no,  answers.launchpad.com allows you to post a question for volunteers to answer.  forums.ubuntu.com is a community help forum for ubuntu
[23:48] <girohgir> ah ok
[23:48] <Barridus> i've never heard of this issue
[23:48] <girohgir> im gonna ask there and also gonna try removing the module here
[23:49] <Barridus> and i've had multiple dual booting machines
[23:49] <girohgir> try to narrow it down
[23:49] <girohgir> Barridus, yeah first time ever i see this
[23:49] <girohgir> as i said
[23:50] <girohgir> first time i fixed it after fiddling and tweaking with the cables and everything... i turned off the power, and removed the power cable from the supply
[23:50] <girohgir> waited many minutes
[23:50] <girohgir> and then booted to windows... but right on the post message the lights were already on
[23:51] <girohgir> not working this time though maybe cause i hadnt waited more than a minute
[23:51] <girohgir> anyway thanks everyone
[23:51] <Barridus> might be a goofy nic card too
[23:51] <Barridus> any idea what kind of nic it is, girohgir
[23:51] <girohgir> hardly think so, first 'problem' so far with it
[23:51] <girohgir> Barridus, atheros l2
[23:52] <girohgir> onboard
[23:52] <girohgir> wired
[23:52] <Barridus> what mobo brand?
[23:53] <girohgir> asus
[23:54] <Barridus> hmm
[23:56] <rakista> disable wake on lan ?
[23:58] <rakista> it sounsds like there is some sort of memory that the nic card uses for its settings and a bit is flipped in ubuntu that windows does not like