[00:01] <mrwes> Ok...probably a stupid question -- how stable is the Alpha
[00:01]  * mrwes ducks
[00:03] <kn100> mrwes i been running it all day, not one crash
[00:03] <kn100> so very
[00:04] <zhurai> alpha tends to mean "unstable" you know
[00:04] <mrwes> hrmm...Jaunty is running pretty solid for me now
[00:04] <BUGabundo> mrwes: you know better then that :)
[00:04] <mrwes> heh..yah I know BUGabundo
[00:04] <mrwes> stupid question
[00:04] <BUGabundo> no sound for me
[00:05] <mrwes> so is pulse here to stay?
[00:05] <BUGabundo> of course
[00:05] <BUGabundo> just need everything else to go away
[00:10] <mrwes> so what is exactly the issue with pulse, considering it's here to stay? Older sound cards?
[00:11] <mrwes> newer sound cards?
[00:11] <mrwes> middle aged sound cards?
[00:11] <mrwes> heh
[00:12] <mrwes> we really need a good push with Karmic, cuz it's the last update before Windows 7
[00:12] <mrwes> agreed?
[00:12] <kn100> agreed
[00:12] <mrwes> am I rambling?
[00:12] <kn100> which is why i m going to try my best to help with theme development
[00:12] <kn100> i just concepted a wallpaper
[00:12] <kn100> wanna see?
[00:12] <mrwes> sure
[00:12] <mrwes> I think I'm updating tonight to Karmic
[00:13] <mrwes> after a couple more Scotches of course
[00:13] <mrwes> heh
[00:13] <kn100> heh
[00:13] <kn100> i allready did
[00:13] <kn100> no difference to jaunty
[00:13] <kn100> http://i43.tinypic.com/1zbbhcm.jpg
[00:13] <kn100> thats the wp i just made as a concept
[00:14] <mrwes> we gonna meet the 25 second boot goal Mark set forth?
[00:14] <zhurai> I think I'm going to just make a vbox and run karmic in it >_>
[00:14] <mrwes> k..lemme look
[00:14] <kn100> zhurai
[00:14] <kn100> why?
[00:14] <kn100> its the same as jaunty at the moment
[00:14] <kn100> nothing new
[00:14] <mrwes> I like the bleed in
[00:14] <zhurai> oh
[00:14] <zhurai> ._.
[00:14] <mrwes> maybe a little more smoothing?
[00:14] <kn100> oh sorry for the bad qulity
[00:14] <kn100> its because the good quality image is around 6mb
[00:15] <kn100> lol
[00:15] <kn100> what do you think of the concept
[00:15] <mrwes> I like it
[00:15] <zhurai> (apparently my cdrom drive laser on this laptop is ****   =_=)
[00:15] <mrwes> I'd use it
[00:15] <mrwes> would look good with my shiki colors
[00:16] <zhurai> what kind of blur did you use for the logo o.o
[00:16] <mrwes> do different colors; orange,blue, wine/red, etc
[00:16] <kn100> its two logos
[00:17] <zhurai> ah
[00:17] <kn100> the bottom one has zoom blur, and hten theres the top one with just standard blur
[00:17] <mrwes> are you familiar with shiki colors?
[00:17] <kn100> nope
[00:17] <kn100> never heared of them
[00:17] <mrwes> killer themes
[00:17] <mrwes> lemme find a link
[00:18] <kn100> http://i43.tinypic.com/2dccqia.jpg is about the best i can do without huge files
[00:18] <mrwes> https://launchpad.net/~gnome-colors-packagers/+archive/ppa
[00:18] <mrwes> that's the ppa
[00:19] <kn100> will add now
[00:19] <kn100> mrwes, see the link
[00:19] <mrwes> http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Shiki-Colors?content=86717
[00:20] <kn100> nice, but i like the desktop i got now
[00:20] <BUGabundo> too gray for my taste
[00:21] <kn100> :)
[00:21] <mrwes> gray? shiki is gray?
[00:21] <kn100> man I dont know what colours to use in these wps
[00:22] <kn100> canonical hasn't released specifications yet
[00:22] <mrwes> http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/3734/screenshot1q.png
[00:23] <kn100> nice
[00:24] <kn100> getting a screeny of mine now
[00:24] <kn100> http://i44.tinypic.com/29nuiqh.png
[00:24] <mrwes> comes with complete themes for blue, wine, orange, and human
[00:25] <mrwes> nice..is that cario?
[00:25] <mrwes> or awan?
[00:26] <kn100> avant
[00:26] <kn100> avant window manager, and adeskets
[00:26] <kn100> adesklets
[00:26] <mrwes> although I also like the Linux Distro wallpaper
[00:26] <mrwes> ahh..yah avant
[00:26] <mrwes> that's what I meant
[00:27] <kn100> have it
[00:27] <kn100> lol
[00:27] <kn100> im working on a black one now
[00:29] <mrwes> I used the upgrade manager for the first time on Jaunty and I have to say it was flawless
[00:29] <mrwes> ubuntu has to ensure the upgrade manager works
[00:29] <mrwes> .
[00:30] <kn100> its epicly good
[00:30] <kn100> i love the way it updates programs too
[00:32] <mrwes> I had always done a fresh install before
[00:32] <mrwes> everyone in #ubuntu had me scared stiff to run an upgrade
[00:32] <kn100> hahha
[00:32] <mrwes> fuqers
[00:32] <mrwes> heh
[00:33] <kn100> only thing is you lose out on ext4
[00:33] <kn100> but small loss for the massive convenience
[00:33] <mrwes> yah
[00:33] <mrwes> although I've read you can convert on the fly -- sounds risky though
[00:36] <mrwes> ok...gonna go upgrade
[00:36] <mrwes> l8r
[00:40] <mrwes> hrmm...gksu update-manager -d doesn't pull in Karmic
[00:40] <mrwes> WTF
[00:40] <mrwes> it did this morning
[00:41] <mrwes> heh...no gksu
[00:41] <mrwes> lame
[01:38] <pace_t_zulu> apologies for all the reconnects...
[01:39] <pace_t_zulu> switching from xchat-gnome to xchat on all my VMs
[01:40] <zhurai> ._.
[01:40] <zhurai> xchat-gnome is ugly
[01:43] <pace_t_zulu> zhurai, i know
[01:44] <zhurai> I tried it when I was on intrepid, and then never used it again >_>
[01:44] <pace_t_zulu> zhurai, what do you use now? xchat?
[01:46] <zhurai> yep
[01:52] <mrwes> well.. i've seem to survived the upgrade to Karmic
[01:56] <mrwes> now if I had the touchpad enabled in Jaunty, why in the world would an upgrade to Karmic turn it off?
[01:57] <mrwes> those are the silly things that make me go hrmmm.....
[02:25] <Ubuntudad> hello everyone
[02:25] <Ubuntudad> is there a list of irc channels out yet for the UDS?
[03:26] <pace_t_zulu> !upstream
[06:16] <Hew> sound broken for anyone else in Karmic?
[07:32] <Doris> moin
[07:33] <pace_t_zulu> Hew, sound is fine here
[07:33] <pace_t_zulu> Hew, virtual machine of karmic
[07:35] <Chr|s> how is Karmic coming along?
[07:39] <Hew> thanks pace_t_zulu, sound was fine for me too when I upgraded yesterday, but today it's silent :S
[07:39] <Hew> my Karmic VM is fine too
[07:40] <pace_t_zulu> Chr|s, karmic is great... runs as well as jaunty - if not better
[07:42] <Hew> nah there are a few regressions atm
[07:42] <Hew> but very good for alpha 1
[07:42] <Hew> I remember Jaunty alpha 1 broke my system
[07:42] <Chr|s> bummer
[07:43] <Hew> no it wasn't a problem, I went back to Intrepid until Jaunty alpha 2
[07:43] <Hew> the two big problems for me on Karmic atm are that sound is broken right now, and scanning in totem doesn't seem to work
[07:43] <Hew> apart from that it's just like Jaunty
[07:45] <Chr|s> Hew: I see, no noticable changes as of yet?
[07:45] <Hew> Chr|s: There are new versions of packages.
[07:47] <Hew> Chr|s: There are no theme changes or anything like that, it's very early days for that sort of thing.
[07:47] <Chr|s> Hew: oh yeah, I know. That wont be done till the end
[07:47] <pace_t_zulu> Chr|s, new power manager "DeviceKit"... slick new battery icon in the notification tray
[07:47] <pace_t_zulu> that's about the only visual change
[07:47] <Chr|s> cool
[08:01] <Hew> for the record, pulseaudio -k got sound working again for me :-)
[08:02]  * Hew cranks up rhythmbox
[08:22] <Khenyeu> alo
[08:22] <Khenyeu> help me!
[08:22] <Khenyeu> Create a /etc/apt/preferences file like this:
[08:22] <Khenyeu> mean ?
[08:23] <Khenyeu> What it means
[08:23] <Khenyeu> 8-)
[08:24] <Khenyeu> ?
[10:08] <zniavre> hello
[10:08] <zniavre> http://paste.ubuntu-fr-secours.org/src-14976
[10:09] <zniavre> i can't install nvidia driver 173.xx.Xx with 2.6.30rc7 kernel  (fromm ppa)
[10:09] <zniavre> any idea ?
[14:45] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[15:25] <BUGabundo> guud day
[15:40] <robin0800> BUGabundo:  no ooo's today?
[15:42] <BUGabundo> robin0800: eheh
[15:42] <BUGabundo> back on OSS
[15:42] <BUGabundo> its the only way for me to have (some what) audio
[15:42] <BUGabundo> I still here glitchs
[15:52] <BluesKaj> BUGabundo, I'm running amarok1.4 , that might solve your problem , it's now known as amarok14...http://nomad.ca/blog/2009/apr/3/amarok-14-jaunty-ubuntu-904/
[15:53] <BUGabundo> BluesKaj: what has amarok have to do with me not having any sound on the entire system with alsa and PA ?
[15:53] <BluesKaj> dunno, but if you want a player that might work with alsa on your setup, give it a try
[15:55] <BluesKaj> BUGabundo,  intel onboard sound card ?
[15:55] <zniavre> hello
[15:55] <zniavre> somebody tried to install 173.14.18 nvidia driver on 2.6.30 kernel ?
[15:56] <zniavre> is it working ?
[15:57] <BluesKaj> zniavre, depends on the card , if the driver isn't recommended by the package manager or is a proprietary driver then it could be risky
[15:59] <BUGabundo> BluesKaj: I already gave you my HW Bug 366346
[15:59] <BUGabundo> zniavre: I have the latest
[15:59] <zniavre> BluesKaj,  it's for my fx5500 graphic card
[15:59] <BUGabundo> 180.44-0ubuntu2
[15:59] <zniavre> i can't use it now im on "legacy" driver for fx5500
[16:01] <zniavre> http://paste.ubuntu-fr-secours.org/src-14999
[16:02] <zniavre> i tried also http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?act=Print&client=printer&f=33&t=93482 this but it does not work too
[16:04] <rski> Nvidia drivers will not build on the 2.6.29-git8 prepatch.
[16:04] <rski> is that the same as  2.6.30rc7 ?
[16:04] <zniavre> yep
[16:05] <rski> i guess post there?
[16:05] <zniavre> for me it's only 173.14.18
[16:48] <mrwes> Ok..upgraded to the Alpha, just found out -- no sound
[16:48] <mrwes> 00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 01)
[16:50] <BUGabundo> mrwes: eheh
[16:50] <BUGabundo> welcome to my world
[16:50] <BUGabundo> is it muted ?
[16:50] <BUGabundo> I changed it to OSS
[16:50] <mrwes> checked -- does appear so
[16:50] <BUGabundo> and now I have sound
[16:50] <BUGabundo> mrwes: Bug 366346
[16:50] <BUGabundo> I guess you should file a bug with the alsa data and have dtchen look it up after UDS
[16:51] <BUGabundo> mrwes: $ ubuntu-bug alsa-base
[16:51] <mrwes> hrmm..nuttin'
[16:53] <mrwes> filed it
[16:54] <mrwes> figured I was OK with Intel audio
[16:54] <mrwes> guess not
[16:54] <BluesKaj> intel audio on the last 2 ubuntu releases is a known bug
[16:54] <BluesKaj> !intelhda
[16:55] <mrwes> really -- I was solid on januty
[16:56] <BUGabundo> I wasnt
[16:56] <mrwes> hrmm
[16:57] <BluesKaj> gotta go ...have a good one
[16:58] <mrwes> sucks
[16:58] <mrwes> heh
[16:58] <gnomefreak> thats sort of like saying "windows works fine, KK doesnt, why"
[16:59] <rski> you were solid for jaunty?
[16:59] <rski> sick...
[16:59] <BUGabundo> gnomefreak: lolol
[17:01] <mrwes> well the audio worked in Jaunty -- I would assume bug fixes are progressive, no?
[17:01] <mrwes> I'm not complaining, just stating the damn facts
[17:02] <BUGabundo> mrwes: I went for 2 months without ALSA or PA on JJ
[17:02] <BUGabundo> and even when working it was never 100%
[17:02] <mrwes> and it's not anything like you stated <gnomefreak> thats sort of like saying "windows works fine, KK doesnt, why"
[17:02] <BUGabundo> close to release with dan kernel it was okayish
[17:03] <mrwes> I freakin' never mentioned windows
[17:03] <mrwes> blah
[17:03] <BUGabundo> calm down...
[17:03] <Twigathy> Pulse seems to be a pain most of the time
[17:04] <mrwes> hrmm....guess my 80gb of tunes will have to sit tight for a while :)
[17:04] <BUGabundo> mrwes: change sound to OSS
[17:04] <BUGabundo> works for me
[17:05] <mrwes> I did have sound at some point on Karmic, I remember booting and hearing the Ubuntu sound
[17:05] <BUGabundo> me too up until two weeks
[17:05] <mrwes> does that require a reboot or restart of X?
[17:06] <Twigathy> I don't get the login screen noise, nor the login noise -- but that's because I chmod -x'ed /etc/init.d/pulseaudio and am using my own config and...wibbleyness >_<
[17:06] <BUGabundo> Nope
[17:10] <mrwes> Ok, when I choose OSS and hit test I hear the test sound
[17:10] <mrwes> however, nothing from Rhythmbox
[17:11] <BUGabundo> change *all* and press close
[17:11] <BUGabundo> then pulseaudio -k
[17:11] <BUGabundo> works for me
[17:13] <BUGabundo> humm all of the sudden I lost audio again
[17:13] <mrwes> hrmm...nuttin
[17:13] <BUGabundo> even with OSS
[17:13] <BUGabundo> wtf
[17:14] <DanaG> hmm, here's something odd I see: my PCM sometimes randomly gets muted.
[17:15] <BUGabundo> I see that on *every* boot
[17:16] <DanaG> I also have an odd behavior with mute in PulseAudio... the onboard sound card will be silent and yet not muted... and then I'll have to MUTE it and unmute it to get it working again.
[17:17] <BUGabundo> [AO OSS] audio_setup: Can't open audio device /dev/dsp: Device or resource busy
[17:17] <BUGabundo> damn
[17:18] <DanaG> oh yeah, I tried OSS4... didn't like it.  No nice console alsamixer, and it hard-locked if I inserted the cardbus audigy2.
[17:19] <mrwes> damn...nuttin' not even on the headphones nor laptop speaker
[17:20] <mrwes> wow
[17:20] <DanaG> oh, and you can't use it under PA -- it gives random signals that should be errors... but apparently aren't.
[17:21] <DanaG> And PA gives up on the device when it's signaled with an error.
[17:21] <DanaG> PA with ALSA is nice, though,.
[17:22] <BUGabundo> so my audio just died
[17:22] <BUGabundo> damn
[17:22] <BUGabundo> who can I restart it?
[17:24] <mrwes> Ok, I hear the Ubuntu sound on reboot, but nothing else -- weird
[17:26] <mrwes> Bingo! got sound! w00p!
[17:27] <mrwes> Ok...Karmic is NOW better than Windows :) heh
[18:46] <rski> oooh
[18:46] <rski> fancy new X
[18:47] <rski> anyone lived to tell about it?
[19:43] <Mois> hello guys.
[19:44] <yoasif_> hello
[19:44] <Mois> since 9.10 my sound is instabil. now Banshee don't give a sound.
[19:45] <yoasif_> Mois: have you tried killall pulseaudio and seeing if that brings it back?
[19:46] <Mois> yoasif_: $ killall pulseaudio && pulseaudio
[19:46] <yoasif_> Mois: doesn't change anything?
[19:47] <Mois> yoasif_: it freezed at "pulseaudio"
[19:48] <Mois> in youtube the sound is working.
[19:48] <Mois> just "ryhtmbox" and "banshee" and "mpd"
[19:49] <BUGabundo> Mois: it locked /dev/dsp
[19:50] <BUGabundo> I get that a lot
[19:50] <BUGabundo> $ lsof | grep /dev/dsp
[19:50] <BUGabundo> and then killall APPNAME
[19:50] <BUGabundo> I wished flash worked with OSS
[19:50] <yoasif> using OSS isn't a fix! :p
[19:50] <BUGabundo> since that's the only thing with Audio working on my sound
[19:51] <BUGabundo> yoasif: yeah right!
[19:51] <BUGabundo> fix it for me, and I'll go back to PA asap
[19:51] <yoasif> you mean ALSA
[19:51] <Mois> BUGabundo: thanks a lot
[19:51] <yoasif> PA doesn't actually make sounds
[19:51] <yoasif> BUGabundo: is there a bug report about that /dev/dsp issue?
[19:51] <BUGabundo> what ever
[19:51] <BUGabundo> I want it working again!
[19:52] <BUGabundo> its the only think NOT working on KK for me
[19:52] <BUGabundo> yoasif: need to collect more data
[19:52] <BUGabundo> it was a KDE app that locked it
[20:12] <Amaranth> next week karmic gets krazy
[20:15] <BUGabundo> Amaranth: you bet
[20:18] <yoasif> whats happening next week?
[20:19] <BUGabundo> yoasif: UDS ideas
[20:19] <yoasif> woo hoo
[20:20] <yoasif> hopefully this is the release where audio gets fixed
[20:24] <BUGabundo> eheh
[20:24] <geirha> UDS?
[20:25]  * BUGabundo wishes so, but aint counting on its
[20:25] <BUGabundo>  !uds | geirha
[20:54] <mrwes> BUGabundo, I reset all my sound settings to alsa and I now have sound again
[20:54] <BUGabundo> let me nuke my .pulse
[20:55] <BUGabundo> mrwes: what else did you do ?
[20:55] <mrwes> nuttin'
[20:56] <mrwes> http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/1548/screenshotsoundpreferen.png
[20:56] <BUGabundo> ahhhh
[20:56] <BUGabundo> you changed to alsa
[20:56] <mrwes> nod
[20:56] <BUGabundo> for me the easiest way of testing is using mplayer
[20:56] <BUGabundo> $mplayer -oa oss/alsa/pulse FILE
[20:57] <mrwes> ic
[20:58] <mrwes> anyhow, I'm happy again
[20:58] <mrwes> and I'm not going back to Windows now :P
[20:58] <mrwes> heh
[21:07] <kklimonda> is there some discussion about changing default IM from pidgin to empathy?
[21:07] <rski> not that i know of
[21:07] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: not for 6 months
[21:07] <BUGabundo> last thread is from A1 for jj
[21:07] <kklimonda> A1?
[21:07] <kklimonda> jj?
[21:08] <BUGabundo> alpha1 jaunty
[21:08] <kklimonda> please, don't use those abbreviations :P
[21:08] <BUGabundo> not eaten yet ? :)
[21:08] <BUGabundo> eehe
[21:08] <BUGabundo> why not?
[21:08] <kklimonda> I didn't know what A1 stands for :)
[21:09] <mrwes> I always thought it was steak sauce
[21:09] <BUGabundo> now you do
[21:09] <mrwes> shrug...
[21:09] <BUGabundo> here are a few: A{2-6}
[21:10] <mrwes> although Heinz 57 is pretty good too
[21:12] <mrwes> not one laugh? sheit
[21:13] <BUGabundo> mrwes: ahahhah your 2nd reaction is funnier
[21:14] <mrwes> danke
[21:16] <mrwes> well...at least 'I' have sound :P
[21:23] <BUGabundo> so do I!
[21:45] <BUGabundo>  !ping
[21:55] <kklimonda> does virtualbox always use so much cpu?
[21:55] <kklimonda> (i know, i know - it's OT :/)
[21:55] <BUGabundo> ahah
[21:55] <BUGabundo> depends
[21:56] <BUGabundo> what are the clients doing?
[21:56] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: installing karmic from alternative c
[21:56] <kklimonda> cd
[21:56] <BUGabundo> then yes, it can take some CPU
[21:56] <BUGabundo> but how much cpu power do you have and how much is it taking?
[21:57] <kklimonda> well, so much that it's heating like crazy ;)
[21:57] <kklimonda> I'll have to see how it works when idle..
[21:57] <kklimonda> But afair vmware was never able to heat my cpu to 100C ;)
[21:58] <kklimonda> well, 97C
[21:58] <BUGabundo> errr
[21:58] <BUGabundo> that too much
[21:59] <kklimonda> that's laptop ;)
[21:59] <BUGabundo> Thermal 0: ok, 64.0 degrees C
[21:59] <kklimonda> Well, It's ~54-56 when cpu is "idle"
[22:00] <kklimonda> oh well, I'll limit it to 2Ghz..
[22:00] <BUGabundo> use cpulimit and ionice
[22:02] <kklimonda> But It should use it so much.. vmware works like charm.. :/
[22:03] <BUGabundo> file a bug upstream?
[22:06] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: I'll install guest additions (or whatever it's called) and see how it works when guest is "idle"