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mrwesOk...probably a stupid question -- how stable is the Alpha00:01
* mrwes ducks00:01
kn100mrwes i been running it all day, not one crash00:03
kn100so very00:03
zhuraialpha tends to mean "unstable" you know00:04
mrweshrmm...Jaunty is running pretty solid for me now00:04
BUGabundomrwes: you know better then that :)00:04
mrwesheh..yah I know BUGabundo00:04
mrwesstupid question00:04
BUGabundono sound for me00:04
mrwesso is pulse here to stay?00:05
BUGabundoof course00:05
BUGabundojust need everything else to go away00:05
mrwesso what is exactly the issue with pulse, considering it's here to stay? Older sound cards?00:10
mrwesnewer sound cards?00:11
mrwesmiddle aged sound cards?00:11
mrwesheh00:11
mrweswe really need a good push with Karmic, cuz it's the last update before Windows 700:12
mrwesagreed?00:12
kn100agreed00:12
mrwesam I rambling?00:12
kn100which is why i m going to try my best to help with theme development00:12
kn100i just concepted a wallpaper00:12
kn100wanna see?00:12
mrwessure00:12
mrwesI think I'm updating tonight to Karmic00:12
mrwesafter a couple more Scotches of course00:13
mrwesheh00:13
kn100heh00:13
kn100i allready did00:13
kn100no difference to jaunty00:13
kn100http://i43.tinypic.com/1zbbhcm.jpg00:13
kn100thats the wp i just made as a concept00:13
mrweswe gonna meet the 25 second boot goal Mark set forth?00:14
zhuraiI think I'm going to just make a vbox and run karmic in it >_>00:14
mrwesk..lemme look00:14
kn100zhurai00:14
kn100why?00:14
kn100its the same as jaunty at the moment00:14
kn100nothing new00:14
mrwesI like the bleed in00:14
zhuraioh00:14
zhurai._.00:14
mrwesmaybe a little more smoothing?00:14
kn100oh sorry for the bad qulity00:14
kn100its because the good quality image is around 6mb00:14
kn100lol00:15
kn100what do you think of the concept00:15
mrwesI like it00:15
zhurai(apparently my cdrom drive laser on this laptop is ****   =_=)00:15
mrwesI'd use it00:15
mrweswould look good with my shiki colors00:15
zhuraiwhat kind of blur did you use for the logo o.o00:16
mrwesdo different colors; orange,blue, wine/red, etc00:16
kn100its two logos00:16
zhuraiah00:17
kn100the bottom one has zoom blur, and hten theres the top one with just standard blur00:17
mrwesare you familiar with shiki colors?00:17
kn100nope00:17
kn100never heared of them00:17
mrweskiller themes00:17
mrweslemme find a link00:17
kn100http://i43.tinypic.com/2dccqia.jpg is about the best i can do without huge files00:18
mrweshttps://launchpad.net/~gnome-colors-packagers/+archive/ppa00:18
mrwesthat's the ppa00:18
kn100will add now00:19
kn100mrwes, see the link00:19
mrweshttp://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Shiki-Colors?content=8671700:19
kn100nice, but i like the desktop i got now00:20
BUGabundotoo gray for my taste00:20
kn100:)00:21
mrwesgray? shiki is gray?00:21
kn100man I dont know what colours to use in these wps00:21
kn100canonical hasn't released specifications yet00:22
mrweshttp://img37.imageshack.us/img37/3734/screenshot1q.png00:22
kn100nice00:23
kn100getting a screeny of mine now00:24
kn100http://i44.tinypic.com/29nuiqh.png00:24
mrwescomes with complete themes for blue, wine, orange, and human00:24
mrwesnice..is that cario?00:25
mrwesor awan?00:25
kn100avant00:26
kn100avant window manager, and adeskets00:26
kn100adesklets00:26
mrwesalthough I also like the Linux Distro wallpaper00:26
mrwesahh..yah avant00:26
mrwesthat's what I meant00:26
kn100have it00:27
kn100lol00:27
kn100im working on a black one now00:27
mrwesI used the upgrade manager for the first time on Jaunty and I have to say it was flawless00:29
mrwesubuntu has to ensure the upgrade manager works00:29
mrwes.00:29
kn100its epicly good00:30
kn100i love the way it updates programs too00:30
mrwesI had always done a fresh install before00:32
mrweseveryone in #ubuntu had me scared stiff to run an upgrade00:32
kn100hahha00:32
mrwesfuqers00:32
mrwesheh00:32
kn100only thing is you lose out on ext400:33
kn100but small loss for the massive convenience00:33
mrwesyah00:33
mrwesalthough I've read you can convert on the fly -- sounds risky though00:33
mrwesok...gonna go upgrade00:36
mrwesl8r00:36
mrweshrmm...gksu update-manager -d doesn't pull in Karmic00:40
mrwesWTF00:40
mrwesit did this morning00:40
mrwesheh...no gksu00:41
mrweslame00:41
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pace_t_zuluapologies for all the reconnects...01:38
pace_t_zuluswitching from xchat-gnome to xchat on all my VMs01:39
zhurai._.01:40
zhuraixchat-gnome is ugly01:40
pace_t_zuluzhurai, i know01:43
zhuraiI tried it when I was on intrepid, and then never used it again >_>01:44
pace_t_zuluzhurai, what do you use now? xchat?01:44
zhuraiyep01:46
mrweswell.. i've seem to survived the upgrade to Karmic01:52
mrwesnow if I had the touchpad enabled in Jaunty, why in the world would an upgrade to Karmic turn it off?01:56
mrwesthose are the silly things that make me go hrmmm.....01:57
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Ubuntudadhello everyone02:25
Ubuntudadis there a list of irc channels out yet for the UDS?02:25
pace_t_zulu!upstream03:26
ubottuSorry, I don't know anything about upstream03:26
Hewsound broken for anyone else in Karmic?06:16
Dorismoin07:32
pace_t_zuluHew, sound is fine here07:33
pace_t_zuluHew, virtual machine of karmic07:33
Chr|show is Karmic coming along?07:35
Hewthanks pace_t_zulu, sound was fine for me too when I upgraded yesterday, but today it's silent :S07:39
Hewmy Karmic VM is fine too07:39
pace_t_zuluChr|s, karmic is great... runs as well as jaunty - if not better07:40
Hewnah there are a few regressions atm07:42
Hewbut very good for alpha 107:42
HewI remember Jaunty alpha 1 broke my system07:42
Chr|sbummer07:42
Hewno it wasn't a problem, I went back to Intrepid until Jaunty alpha 207:43
Hewthe two big problems for me on Karmic atm are that sound is broken right now, and scanning in totem doesn't seem to work07:43
Hewapart from that it's just like Jaunty07:43
Chr|sHew: I see, no noticable changes as of yet?07:45
HewChr|s: There are new versions of packages.07:45
HewChr|s: There are no theme changes or anything like that, it's very early days for that sort of thing.07:47
Chr|sHew: oh yeah, I know. That wont be done till the end07:47
pace_t_zuluChr|s, new power manager "DeviceKit"... slick new battery icon in the notification tray07:47
pace_t_zuluthat's about the only visual change07:47
Chr|scool07:47
Hewfor the record, pulseaudio -k got sound working again for me :-)08:01
* Hew cranks up rhythmbox08:02
Khenyeualo08:22
Khenyeuhelp me!08:22
KhenyeuCreate a /etc/apt/preferences file like this:08:22
Khenyeumean ?08:22
KhenyeuWhat it means08:23
Khenyeu8-)08:23
Khenyeu?08:24
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zniavrehello10:08
zniavrehttp://paste.ubuntu-fr-secours.org/src-1497610:08
zniavrei can't install nvidia driver 173.xx.Xx with 2.6.30rc7 kernel  (fromm ppa)10:09
zniavreany idea ?10:09
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BluesKajHowdy folks14:45
BUGabundoguud day15:25
robin0800BUGabundo:  no ooo's today?15:40
BUGabundorobin0800: eheh15:42
BUGabundoback on OSS15:42
BUGabundoits the only way for me to have (some what) audio15:42
BUGabundoI still here glitchs15:42
BluesKajBUGabundo, I'm running amarok1.4 , that might solve your problem , it's now known as amarok14...http://nomad.ca/blog/2009/apr/3/amarok-14-jaunty-ubuntu-904/15:52
BUGabundoBluesKaj: what has amarok have to do with me not having any sound on the entire system with alsa and PA ?15:53
BluesKajdunno, but if you want a player that might work with alsa on your setup, give it a try15:53
BluesKajBUGabundo,  intel onboard sound card ?15:55
zniavrehello15:55
zniavresomebody tried to install 173.14.18 nvidia driver on 2.6.30 kernel ?15:55
zniavreis it working ?15:56
BluesKajzniavre, depends on the card , if the driver isn't recommended by the package manager or is a proprietary driver then it could be risky15:57
BUGabundoBluesKaj: I already gave you my HW Bug 36634615:59
ubottuError: Could not parse data returned by Launchpad: timed out (https://launchpad.net/bugs/366346/+text)15:59
BUGabundozniavre: I have the latest15:59
zniavreBluesKaj,  it's for my fx5500 graphic card15:59
BUGabundo180.44-0ubuntu215:59
zniavrei can't use it now im on "legacy" driver for fx550015:59
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zniavrehttp://paste.ubuntu-fr-secours.org/src-1499916:01
zniavrei tried also http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?act=Print&client=printer&f=33&t=93482 this but it does not work too16:02
rskiNvidia drivers will not build on the 2.6.29-git8 prepatch.16:04
rskiis that the same as  2.6.30rc7 ?16:04
zniavreyep16:04
rskii guess post there?16:05
zniavrefor me it's only 173.14.1816:05
mrwesOk..upgraded to the Alpha, just found out -- no sound16:48
mrwes00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 01)16:48
BUGabundomrwes: eheh16:50
BUGabundowelcome to my world16:50
BUGabundois it muted ?16:50
BUGabundoI changed it to OSS16:50
mrweschecked -- does appear so16:50
BUGabundoand now I have sound16:50
BUGabundomrwes: Bug 36634616:50
ubottuLaunchpad bug 366346 in pulseaudio "no audio" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/36634616:50
BUGabundoI guess you should file a bug with the alsa data and have dtchen look it up after UDS16:50
BUGabundomrwes: $ ubuntu-bug alsa-base16:51
mrweshrmm..nuttin'16:51
mrwesfiled it16:53
mrwesfigured I was OK with Intel audio16:54
mrwesguess not16:54
BluesKajintel audio on the last 2 ubuntu releases is a known bug16:54
BluesKaj!intelhda16:54
ubottuFor fixing your Intel HDA sound this page has useful information https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto16:54
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mrwesreally -- I was solid on januty16:55
BUGabundoI wasnt16:56
mrweshrmm16:56
BluesKajgotta go ...have a good one16:57
mrwessucks16:58
mrwesheh16:58
gnomefreakthats sort of like saying "windows works fine, KK doesnt, why"16:58
rskiyou were solid for jaunty?16:59
rskisick...16:59
BUGabundognomefreak: lolol16:59
mrweswell the audio worked in Jaunty -- I would assume bug fixes are progressive, no?17:01
mrwesI'm not complaining, just stating the damn facts17:01
BUGabundomrwes: I went for 2 months without ALSA or PA on JJ17:02
BUGabundoand even when working it was never 100%17:02
mrwesand it's not anything like you stated <gnomefreak> thats sort of like saying "windows works fine, KK doesnt, why"17:02
BUGabundoclose to release with dan kernel it was okayish17:02
mrwesI freakin' never mentioned windows17:03
mrwesblah17:03
BUGabundocalm down...17:03
TwigathyPulse seems to be a pain most of the time17:03
mrweshrmm....guess my 80gb of tunes will have to sit tight for a while :)17:04
BUGabundomrwes: change sound to OSS17:04
BUGabundoworks for me17:04
mrwesI did have sound at some point on Karmic, I remember booting and hearing the Ubuntu sound17:05
BUGabundome too up until two weeks17:05
mrwesdoes that require a reboot or restart of X?17:05
TwigathyI don't get the login screen noise, nor the login noise -- but that's because I chmod -x'ed /etc/init.d/pulseaudio and am using my own config and...wibbleyness >_<17:06
BUGabundoNope17:06
mrwesOk, when I choose OSS and hit test I hear the test sound17:10
mrweshowever, nothing from Rhythmbox17:10
BUGabundochange *all* and press close17:11
BUGabundothen pulseaudio -k17:11
BUGabundoworks for me17:11
BUGabundohumm all of the sudden I lost audio again17:13
mrweshrmm...nuttin17:13
BUGabundoeven with OSS17:13
BUGabundowtf17:13
DanaGhmm, here's something odd I see: my PCM sometimes randomly gets muted.17:14
BUGabundoI see that on *every* boot17:15
DanaGI also have an odd behavior with mute in PulseAudio... the onboard sound card will be silent and yet not muted... and then I'll have to MUTE it and unmute it to get it working again.17:16
BUGabundo[AO OSS] audio_setup: Can't open audio device /dev/dsp: Device or resource busy17:17
BUGabundodamn17:17
DanaGoh yeah, I tried OSS4... didn't like it.  No nice console alsamixer, and it hard-locked if I inserted the cardbus audigy2.17:18
mrwesdamn...nuttin' not even on the headphones nor laptop speaker17:19
mrweswow17:20
DanaGoh, and you can't use it under PA -- it gives random signals that should be errors... but apparently aren't.17:20
DanaGAnd PA gives up on the device when it's signaled with an error.17:21
DanaGPA with ALSA is nice, though,.17:21
BUGabundoso my audio just died17:22
BUGabundodamn17:22
BUGabundowho can I restart it?17:22
mrwesOk, I hear the Ubuntu sound on reboot, but nothing else -- weird17:24
mrwesBingo! got sound! w00p!17:26
mrwesOk...Karmic is NOW better than Windows :) heh17:27
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rskioooh18:46
rskifancy new X18:46
rskianyone lived to tell about it?18:47
Moishello guys.19:43
yoasif_hello19:44
Moissince 9.10 my sound is instabil. now Banshee don't give a sound.19:44
yoasif_Mois: have you tried killall pulseaudio and seeing if that brings it back?19:45
Moisyoasif_: $ killall pulseaudio && pulseaudio19:46
yoasif_Mois: doesn't change anything?19:46
Moisyoasif_: it freezed at "pulseaudio"19:47
Moisin youtube the sound is working.19:48
Moisjust "ryhtmbox" and "banshee" and "mpd"19:48
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BUGabundoMois: it locked /dev/dsp19:49
BUGabundoI get that a lot19:50
BUGabundo$ lsof | grep /dev/dsp19:50
BUGabundoand then killall APPNAME19:50
BUGabundoI wished flash worked with OSS19:50
yoasifusing OSS isn't a fix! :p19:50
BUGabundosince that's the only thing with Audio working on my sound19:50
BUGabundoyoasif: yeah right!19:51
BUGabundofix it for me, and I'll go back to PA asap19:51
yoasifyou mean ALSA19:51
MoisBUGabundo: thanks a lot19:51
yoasifPA doesn't actually make sounds19:51
yoasifBUGabundo: is there a bug report about that /dev/dsp issue?19:51
BUGabundowhat ever19:51
BUGabundoI want it working again!19:51
BUGabundoits the only think NOT working on KK for me19:52
BUGabundoyoasif: need to collect more data19:52
BUGabundoit was a KDE app that locked it19:52
Amaranthnext week karmic gets krazy20:12
BUGabundoAmaranth: you bet20:15
yoasifwhats happening next week?20:18
BUGabundoyoasif: UDS ideas20:19
yoasifwoo hoo20:19
yoasifhopefully this is the release where audio gets fixed20:20
BUGabundoeheh20:24
geirhaUDS?20:24
* BUGabundo wishes so, but aint counting on its20:25
BUGabundo !uds | geirha20:25
ubottugeirha: The Ubuntu Developer Summit is being held May 25th-29th in Barcelona, Spain. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDS for more information.20:25
mrwesBUGabundo, I reset all my sound settings to alsa and I now have sound again20:54
BUGabundolet me nuke my .pulse20:54
BUGabundomrwes: what else did you do ?20:55
mrwesnuttin'20:55
mrweshttp://img507.imageshack.us/img507/1548/screenshotsoundpreferen.png20:56
BUGabundoahhhh20:56
BUGabundoyou changed to alsa20:56
mrwesnod20:56
BUGabundofor me the easiest way of testing is using mplayer20:56
BUGabundo$mplayer -oa oss/alsa/pulse FILE20:56
mrwesic20:57
mrwesanyhow, I'm happy again20:58
mrwesand I'm not going back to Windows now :P20:58
mrwesheh20:58
kklimondais there some discussion about changing default IM from pidgin to empathy?21:07
rskinot that i know of21:07
BUGabundokklimonda: not for 6 months21:07
BUGabundolast thread is from A1 for jj21:07
kklimondaA1?21:07
kklimondajj?21:07
BUGabundoalpha1 jaunty21:08
kklimondaplease, don't use those abbreviations :P21:08
BUGabundonot eaten yet ? :)21:08
BUGabundoeehe21:08
BUGabundowhy not?21:08
kklimondaI didn't know what A1 stands for :)21:08
mrwesI always thought it was steak sauce21:09
BUGabundonow you do21:09
mrwesshrug...21:09
BUGabundohere are a few: A{2-6}21:09
mrwesalthough Heinz 57 is pretty good too21:10
mrwesnot one laugh? sheit21:12
BUGabundomrwes: ahahhah your 2nd reaction is funnier21:13
mrwesdanke21:14
mrweswell...at least 'I' have sound :P21:16
BUGabundoso do I!21:23
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BUGabundo !ping21:45
ubottuping yourself ;-) really the diodes all down my left side are sore21:45
kklimondadoes virtualbox always use so much cpu?21:55
kklimonda(i know, i know - it's OT :/)21:55
BUGabundoahah21:55
BUGabundodepends21:55
BUGabundowhat are the clients doing?21:56
kklimondaBUGabundo: installing karmic from alternative c21:56
kklimondacd21:56
BUGabundothen yes, it can take some CPU21:56
BUGabundobut how much cpu power do you have and how much is it taking?21:56
kklimondawell, so much that it's heating like crazy ;)21:57
kklimondaI'll have to see how it works when idle..21:57
kklimondaBut afair vmware was never able to heat my cpu to 100C ;)21:57
kklimondawell, 97C21:58
BUGabundoerrr21:58
BUGabundothat too much21:58
kklimondathat's laptop ;)21:59
BUGabundoThermal 0: ok, 64.0 degrees C21:59
kklimondaWell, It's ~54-56 when cpu is "idle"21:59
kklimondaoh well, I'll limit it to 2Ghz..22:00
BUGabundouse cpulimit and ionice22:00
kklimondaBut It should use it so much.. vmware works like charm.. :/22:02
BUGabundofile a bug upstream?22:03
kklimondaBUGabundo: I'll install guest additions (or whatever it's called) and see how it works when guest is "idle"22:06
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