[09:48] <knome> wut? :P
[13:00] <kwwii> w00t! internet connectivity
[13:00] <knome> ;)
[15:02] <_MMA_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/BreatheIconSet?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=Breathe_Icon_Set-20090524.tar.gz
[15:28] <shadeslayer> i just wanted you guys to see this http://francois.vogelweith.com/
[15:28] <shadeslayer> there are 9 awesome themes there along with ppa repos , i was thinking if the artwork team could make something along those lines
[15:29] <_MMA_> shadeslayer: Currently there is a lack of technical ability and time for the "team" to maintain a repo.
[15:30] <shadeslayer> _MMA_: i just meant that i found those themes pretty good and maybe ubuntu should incorporate them in the next release
[15:30] <shadeslayer> or something which looks like them
[15:31] <_MMA_> shadeslayer: This artwork team has just about 0 to do with what Canonical puts in Ubuntu. (unfortunately)
[15:32]  * _MMA_ points to topic and notes the word "community".
[15:32] <shadeslayer> _MMA_: ah... i thought that there would be devels here :(
[15:32] <knome> well, there is possibilities to get some artwork *packages* in ubuntu
[15:32] <macvr> _MMA_: i checked out the breathe icons , but looks like there isnt nm signal icons yet , are they breathe team accepting icons?
[15:33] <_MMA_> macvr: Read my reply to you on the list.
[15:33] <shadeslayer> _MMA_: also the breathe icon set is kinda too orange imo :)
[15:33] <_MMA_> knome: You have to be careful to also say "repos". Because just using "Ubuntu" sounds like at install time.
[15:34] <knome> _MMA_, right. :P when i say packages, i mean something that is possible to install :P
[15:34] <knome> not what is installed by default
[15:34] <_MMA_> Sure. noobs don't often see the difference.
[15:34] <macvr> _MMA_: oh, just now checked it... ok.. i do understand that any missing icons will be inherited... so breathe is not stressing on separate icons for nm-signal?
[15:35] <_MMA_> macvr: At the moment, no.
[15:37] <macvr> _MMA_: ok... but i have a few ideas , if u are interested for  later i could improve upon them...?
[15:39] <_MMA_> macvr: It's wide open. Just post to the list. Having examples on the "Submissions" page will help people understand your ideas. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/BreatheIconSet/Submissions
[15:40] <_MMA_> macvr: Also make sure to add: [Breathe] at the start of the email when it's about the set.
[15:40] <macvr> _MMA_: oh... ok... since this was my first time being involved , needed directions... will post on the list and submissions too.. :)
[15:41] <_MMA_> macvr: Do you have examples of previous work?
[15:41] <SiDi> hi people
[15:41]  * _MMA_ waves
[15:42] <SiDi> shadeslayer, what you could do though is ask françois volgeweith to try to get his theme packages directly in ubuntu repositories. They're pretty popular indeed (even ifthey're way to gnome-centric imo)
[15:42] <_MMA_> dashua[A90]: Why the "[A90]"? Different connection?
[15:42] <SiDi> he got a new netbook
[15:42] <SiDi> an A90 :D
[15:42] <_MMA_> Ahh... :)
[15:43] <macvr> _MMA_: i actually have them as pngs , but created not much experience with inkscape, but using the templates i have created 4 svgs, but its just a rough replica of the pngs i have
[15:43] <shadeslayer> SiDi: hehe...well ill see if i can contact him
[15:43] <macvr> _MMA_: i'll send it via the list , u could check it out
[15:44] <_MMA_> macvr: Links to anything you have now would be appreciated. (just something to look at)
[15:44] <shadeslayer> SiDi: just a note though...why is it that every icon theme is see on ubuntu artwork wiki has orange everywhere...isnt orange too bold??
[15:44] <_MMA_> macvr: Also, if you're having trouble with Inkscape, just ask. I'm sure someone can help. or maybe even convert your PNGs to SVG.
[15:44] <shadeslayer> *i see
[15:45] <SiDi> shadeslayer, its cause it looks nice with brown, and brown is the default colors of the current releases (hardy/jaunty)
[15:45] <SiDi> shadeslayer, the icon theme in xubuntu is blue :D
[15:46] <shadeslayer> SiDi: ubuntu really needs a facelift :P something like light yellow for folders etc
[15:46] <_MMA_> shadeslayer: Why?
[15:46] <SiDi> shadeslayer, check out breathe's folder icon
[15:46] <SiDi> it isnt flashy orange afaik
[15:46] <shadeslayer> _MMA_: as i said orange is too bold...hurts my eyes...looks horrible on dark back grounds
[15:47] <_MMA_> IYO. ;)
[15:47] <SiDi> i disagree :D
[15:47] <shadeslayer> SiDi: i am talking about the breathe icon theme :)
[15:47] <macvr> _MMA_: i have published any work , mostly i created for personal use, its basically like a hobby :) ... inkscape i'v been using for a couple of hrs and got a bit of hang of it... but help  conversion from png to svg would be nice?
[15:47] <_MMA_> Change, for the sake of it, without direction is folly.
[15:47] <macvr> ^HAVENT
[15:47] <shadeslayer> SiDi: everyone has their opinions :)
[15:47] <_MMA_> macvr: Gotcha.
[15:49] <_MMA_> macvr: In any event, throw something up and link in here.
[15:58] <SiDi> _MMA_, i found the missing symlinks for suspend/reboot
[15:58] <SiDi> hibernate / reboot actually
[15:58] <SiDi> its in actions : system-reboot.svg/png is missing
[15:58] <_MMA_> SiDi: Cool. Post them to the bug and I'll add them.
[15:58] <SiDi> and system-hibernate too
[15:59]  * _MMA_ looks
[15:59] <SiDi> shall i put that on the ML ? i didnt fill a bug report on LP
[15:59] <_MMA_> Oh. i thought I saw one like that. Gimmie a sec. Ill look here.
[15:59] <SiDi> okies
[16:01] <_MMA_> SiDi: And these links fix what exactly? Something in XFCE?
[16:01] <macvr> _MMA_: just sent the icons to the list, i still havent got the  lightings right , also for now i have used the icon from wireless network as the antenna,
[16:01] <_MMA_> k
[16:02] <_MMA_> Gah. Another one that doesn't use caps. What's with that? :)
[16:03] <macvr> _MMA_: ? was that for me? caps?
[16:03] <_MMA_> Yep :)
[16:03] <macvr> i dont understand caps?
[16:04] <_MMA_> macvr: You don't use capitol letters where needed.
[16:04] <kn100> Hi
[16:04] <macvr> _MMA_: oh :) ... just lazy i guess! my bad , !
[16:05] <macvr> _MMA_: i thought that caps meant something with the art!
[16:05] <kn100> Has canonical released colour specifications for Karmic yet?
[16:05] <_MMA_> macvr: Not a /big/ deal. Just looks odd. Just my personal nit-pick. Just hits me as childish. Or, its sometimes a language issue.
[16:05] <_MMA_> kn100: No. No new news on that front other then Julian Hubbard leaving.
[16:06] <macvr> _MMA_: i think that its more because of texting, !
[16:06] <_MMA_> Gotcha
[16:06] <kn100> _MMA_ thanks,
[16:06] <kn100> i am working on wallpapers for jaunty
[16:06] <kn100> karmix
[16:06] <kn100> argh i hate spelling on a hangover
[16:06] <_MMA_> kn100: Cool. Post 'em to the list.
[16:07] <kn100> want to see my first prototype for one?
[16:07] <_MMA_> sure
[16:08] <kn100> sorry about the banding, i cant seem to get rid of it without having a 6mb jpeg
[16:09] <kn100> http://i44.tinypic.com/16jlu9y.jpg
[16:09] <_MMA_> macvr: Icons look good at 1st look. But are they better than the Human ones or fit with Breathe, we'll see. WIP I understand. Hopefully we can get something going. Sebastien's icons have set the tone for the set lately.
[16:10] <_MMA_> kn100: Honest critique?
[16:10] <kn100> go for it
[16:10] <kn100> it sucks i know
[16:10] <SiDi> _MMA_, a quit dialog in XFCE, yeh
[16:10] <_MMA_> Too brand heavy
[16:10] <SiDi> the session quit dialog with the hibernate/suspend/quit buttons
[16:10] <_MMA_> SiDi: Gotcha. Ill fix in a min.
[16:10] <SiDi> thanks
[16:10] <_MMA_> np
[16:10] <kn100> _MMA_ i will bear that in mind, i was just working for something simple
[16:11] <kn100> the ubuntu logo is just so cool
[16:11] <_MMA_> kn100: Sure. Let me back-track and ask a question. What's the point? What are you going for here?
[16:12] <kn100> _MMA_ i just want to find some way to participate in ubuntu's development
[16:12] <SiDi> kn100, its recommanded not to use the logo at all in artwork
[16:12] <macvr> _MMA_: thanx for the comment , was wondering if they were too bad to even comment upon since u hadnt replied in a long time... but yeah Its WIP... at fist was thinking of converting png to svg but after working with inkscape i think if i do it fresh it would turn out better... ur thoughts?
[16:12] <_MMA_> kn100: I got that. :) Apply my above question to the aesthetics of you pic.
[16:13] <kn100> _MMA_ i was trying to get something that looked elegant yet simple
[16:13] <SiDi> its not bad at all, kn100, but you shouldn't use branding. its very boring for users to have a big logo in the face continuously.
[16:14] <_MMA_> macvr: From scratch will always be better. Ask on the list for help with techniques and defiantly look through the SVGs in the set for ideas/inspiration.
[16:14] <kn100> SiDi and _MMA_ thanks for the critique, i will work towards what you said. I am guessing ubuntu is staying orange/brown
[16:15] <_MMA_> kn100: Elegant and simple to what end? Like, what are you trying to say? And mind you, "because it looks cool" is an acceptable answer. ;) Also, branding isn't bad altogether. Just has to be used correctly.
[16:16] <macvr> _MMA_: will do with svg itself , will there be any problems with using the antenna from the wireless icon? i thought using that antenna would be better for continuity?
[16:16] <kn100> i was never good at describing art in school, so i think the because it looks cool answer is the best i can give :)
[16:16] <_MMA_> kn100: I'm just seeing if your thinking about more than "it looks cool". If your going for a particular audience and all.
[16:17] <kn100> oh right, i was trying to appeal to the widest audience possible, I wanted to create something that was as stylish as a mac but as sophisticated as a windows vista wallpaper
[16:17] <_MMA_> kn100: If you stay with the branding (though with less of a central focus) I would use a sharper logo over the blurred one you have.
[16:18] <macvr> guys i thought that karmic was going to move away from brown?
[16:18] <kn100> macvr canonical hasnt said anything about moving from brown yet
[16:19]  * kn100 is listening to queen :)
[16:19] <_MMA_> kn100: Well, IMO (and others around here) Going for the widest audiance will often result in watered-down, direction-less pieces. Try to appeal to a age group maybe. Don't be afraid to turn some people off.
[16:19] <macvr> kn100: i read some article where Mark said "brown has served well so long" but might be looking for a new color
[16:20] <kn100> _MMA_ good advice, Do you think its a good idea to work on something that isnt brown?
[16:20]  * _MMA_ notes the "might". (if the quote is correct)
[16:20] <SiDi> kn100, it is a good idea to do what you feel at ease with
[16:20] <kn100> macvr but yeah might. Since there is a lack of people developing the new theme, we may have to wait for the next LTS
[16:20] <_MMA_> kn100: That's up to you and your vision of what you wanna communicate.
[16:21] <SiDi> dont try to do something that goes against your feeling just to "do as you're told"
[16:21] <SiDi> express your creativity, instead ;)
[16:21] <kn100> SiDi great. How is the new human theme development going?
[16:22] <macvr> kn100: yeah , 10.4 probably will have more appealing looks :)
[16:22] <SiDi> you just have to check that it doesnt look incoherent with the default theme (and/or some of the community themes)
[16:22] <a_n_d_r_e_w> i hate human theme
[16:22] <SiDi> kn100, i'll let you know about the human theme as soon as Canonical hires me ;)
[16:22] <_MMA_> kn100: Though, if you're looking for general guidelines in hopes of generally being in line with what Ubuntu will do next, Orange/Brown is a safe bet for now. We have no other info past that.
[16:22] <a_n_d_r_e_w> http://kepfeltoltes.hu/090524/975766470K_perny_k_p_www.kepfeltoltes.hu_.png
[16:22] <kn100> Man they keep us in the dark dont they
[16:23] <_MMA_> UDS is going on now so I expect kwwii to have some notes in the next week or 2.
[16:23] <SiDi> Dont tell me you prefer Mandriva's default theme, please :D
[16:23] <SiDi> knome, still not coming UDS btw ? :P
[16:24] <kn100> hehe the trial part of macromedia fireworks doesnt work, its allways 30 days :)
[16:24] <kn100> (in wine)
[16:24] <_MMA_> SiDi: You building Breathe from BZR?
[16:25] <SiDi> _MMA_, usually im waiting for dashua to send me the latest deb XD
[16:25] <_MMA_> SiDi: I'll send you one. Preferred email?
[16:25] <SiDi> i'll get it from bzr if you want _MMA_
[16:25] <SiDi> sidnioulz at gmail dot com is good
[16:26] <_MMA_> Ok. I'm doing the fixes now. I wanna see if it fixes the issue for you.
[16:26] <SiDi> its lp:breathe-icon-theme ?
[16:26] <SiDi> no, its not :/
[16:26] <SiDi> hm
[16:26] <_MMA_> https://code.launchpad.net/~breathe-dev/breathe-icon-set/debian-packaging
[16:26] <_MMA_> So: bzr branch lp:~breathe-dev/breathe-icon-set/debian-packaging
[16:27] <_MMA_> Then, cd in and "bzr-buildpackage --native"
[16:27] <SiDi> there is such a command ? :O
[16:27] <SiDi> Damn. Ill have to try it on my own code, cause making deb packages is painful
[16:28] <_MMA_> yep. Well, *if* you have the package installed.
[16:28] <SiDi> ah
[16:28] <SiDi> Okey, then i _will_ have to build my deb package :D
[16:28] <_MMA_> Open up Synaptic and browse through the bzr-* packages.
[16:31] <SiDi> the buildpackage's output is scary
[16:32] <_MMA_> How so?
[16:32] <SiDi> its big :D
[16:33] <SiDi> bigger than compiling 15k lines of code with full warnings :D
[16:33] <SiDi> gpg: [stdin]: clearsign failed: secret key not available
[16:33] <SiDi> huh :D i'll let you build the .deb :]
[16:34] <_MMA_> No no. It will build. You just cant sign the .deb. Still works.
[16:34] <SiDi> bzr: ERROR: The build failed.
[16:34] <_MMA_> Is there still a .deb?
[16:34] <SiDi> no :)
[16:34] <_MMA_> Maybe 1 folder up?
[16:35] <SiDi> i got almost all the files, though
[16:35] <_MMA_> Look for a folder called "build-area"
[16:35] <SiDi> ok, i see stuff here
[16:36] <SiDi> I got a deb, giving it to gdebig :)
[16:36] <SiDi> -g
[16:37] <_MMA_> SiDi: You gotta grab rev.42. Gimmie a sec.
[16:37] <_MMA_> *uploaded
[16:38] <_MMA_> (might take a sec)
[16:38] <kn100> i hate using macromedia fireworks in wine, its so slow
[16:38] <_MMA_> SiDi: Should be up now.
[16:39] <SiDi> Okey
[16:42] <zniavre> hello
[16:43] <SiDi> heya
[16:43] <kn100> does anyone know a good site with royalty free textures? im looking for a realistic mud/soil texture
[16:43] <zniavre> any chance to get globalmenu included in artwork team ,?
[16:43] <SiDi> _MMA_, the reboot one is fixed
[16:43] <SiDi> theres the hibernate one too
[16:44] <SiDi> the name is system-hibernate according to xfce folks
[16:45] <_MMA_> SiDi: Well IMO they need to be in line with FreeDesktop.
[16:45] <_MMA_> Maybe someone should file a bug. ;)
[16:45]  * SiDi has the feeling he's the someone you're mentioning
[16:46] <_MMA_> :P
[16:48] <_MMA_> SiDi: Actually, looks like they might not have support for them.
[16:48] <SiDi> _MMA_, i'll send the bug later on xfce's bugzilla with a patch
[16:48] <_MMA_> I think KDE/Oxygen went with "restart" and not "reboot". Might be good to at least line up with each other.
[16:49] <SiDi> ill add a note about that, but when i locate system-reboot i get matches from other icon themes :p
[16:49] <SiDi> and i got xfsm-hibernate too, which is used as backup for when theres no system-hibernate
[16:49] <_MMA_> Breathe went with "system-restart" and "system-suspend-hibernate" as per the Oxygen set.
[16:49] <SiDi> anyways i'll post on their bugzilla with a short patch
[16:51] <SiDi> by the meanwhile, if we could have the symlink, it'd be great.. :D
[16:51] <_MMA_> Ok. In the mean time, its fixed in the set. Though, I'm odd about creating fixes where standards should be followed/enacted or there's bugs in apps.
[16:51] <SiDi> they dont have a big team, hard for them to watch such details on their own ;)
[16:51] <SiDi> thanks tho
[16:51] <_MMA_> np. So you see it fixed on your end right?
[16:53] <knome> SiDi, nope, not coming to uds this time :(
[16:54] <_MMA_> SiDi: ^^^
[16:54] <knome> i'll keep the xubuntu HQ up ;)
[16:57] <kn100> well ive lost my inspiration for wallpapers :)
[16:57] <knome> kn100, already? ;)
[16:57] <kn100> hey, who designs the CD covers for the releases?
[16:57] <kn100> im really good with layouts
[16:57] <SiDi> _MMA_, the reboot is fixed indeed :)
[16:57] <_MMA_> kn100: No clue.
[16:57] <thorwil> kn100, someone at canonical
[16:57] <SiDi> the other name i gave you should be  the good one
[16:57] <_MMA_> SiDi: Killer. For reference: http://standards.freedesktop.org/icon-naming-spec/icon-naming-spec-latest.html
[16:58] <kn100> the one job i could have done well
[16:58] <SiDi> im about to have to leave home, will be back in ~1 hour
[16:58] <kn100> lol
[16:58] <SiDi> cheers _MMA_
[16:58] <kn100> buy SiDi
[16:58] <SiDi> i'll bug the xfce guys and write the code for them
[16:58] <SiDi> but it probably wont land before 4.8 in a good year
[16:58] <knome> lol
[16:58] <SiDi> knome, :D
[16:58] <SiDi> is it too optimistic ?:)
[16:58] <_MMA_> SiDi: np. I dont think the names will make the spec but at least being inline with KDE will be good.
[16:58] <knome> 4.8 will maybe be released on 2015
[16:58] <knome> ;)
[16:59] <SiDi> knome, leaves us time to write the xfce doc then :D :D
[16:59] <knome> yes.
[16:59] <knome> (and 2015 was optimistic)
[17:00] <SiDi> come on
[17:00] <SiDi> troll :d
[17:01] <_MMA_> :P
[17:01] <knome> not a troll, just being realistic
[17:01] <knome> ;)
[17:01] <savvas> sur-realistic :P
[17:01] <knome> nah
[17:01] <SiDi> ok, logging out
[17:01] <knome> the xfce folks plan their releases well :P
[17:01] <knome> see you SiDi
[17:01] <SiDi> see you asap people
[17:01] <SiDi> plan well -> thats a troll :D
[17:02] <knome> that's teasing
[17:02] <knome> to get them work faster
[17:02] <_MMA_> hahah. Because we all get paid so well. :P
[17:03] <knome> totally.
[17:03] <knome> well one of them soon might get paid well :P
[17:04]  * _MMA_ shoves his piles of money and hookers aside and goes to make a pizza.
[17:04]  * knome steals all of _MMA_'s money
[17:05] <_MMA_> As long as I have my pizza.
[17:06] <knome> sure.
[17:06] <knome> i can leave you money for a few more
[17:06] <SiDi>  :D
[17:06] <_MMA_> Yeah. Hookers gotta eat to.
[17:06] <SiDi> knome, hire myself as a pizza maker for _MMA_ then
[17:06] <knome> haha
[17:07] <knome> SiDi, didn't you go already? :P
[17:08] <SiDi> :D
[17:08] <SiDi> my driver's late :D
[17:08] <knome> haha
[17:08] <SiDi> alright
[17:08] <SiDi> see you soon
[17:08] <knome> ;)
[17:08] <knome> bye
[17:08] <_MMA_> bbl
[18:29] <dashua[A90]> _MMA_: http://www.ubuntu-pics.de/bild/14971/screenshot_1Y7En3.png
[18:29] <dashua[A90]> Tweaked UNR a bit, netbook-launcher and compiz are not playing well together
[18:30] <_MMA_> Still, fun. :)
[18:30] <dashua[A90]> This thing is great
[18:31] <dashua[A90]> All of my kids want one now =/
[18:31] <_MMA_> :D
[18:32]  * _MMA_ will be getting them a Wii soon. Though I'm building them a new basic box from the guts of a Dell Optiplex.
[18:32] <dashua[A90]> Battery lasts about 10 hours
[18:32] <dashua[A90]> Ooh nice
[18:32] <_MMA_> very nice
[18:33] <knome> dashua[A90], how much is "all of my kids"
[18:33] <dashua[A90]> How much is it going to cost or how many kids?
[18:34] <knome> the latter
[18:34] <knome> i hope it's not that "a 90"
[18:34] <knome> ;))
[18:34] <dashua[A90]> 3 girls 15,10, and 8
[18:34] <knome> yay
[18:34] <knome> congrats ;)
[18:34] <dashua[A90]> Thx
[18:35] <dashua[A90]> I'm going to need it.
[18:35] <knome> of course
[18:36] <knome> kids are so... nice. especially girls.
[18:36] <knome> especially at their teen age.
[18:36] <knome> (and pre-teen age)
[18:36] <dashua[A90]> Yeah, they're fun now and all of them use Linux, which is cool
[18:37] <dashua[A90]> They really don't have much of a choice in the house though
[18:37]  * _MMA_ hugs his fiber connection. Downloading ISO images @2.7MB/sec. :P
[18:37] <knome> hehe
[18:37] <knome> still haven't got my wife using linux
[18:37] <knome> ;<
[18:38] <_MMA_> knome: Don't give her the choice. "twas what I did. ;)
[18:39] <dashua[A90]> _MMA_: Same here, they acclimate quite fast.
[18:39] <knome> :D
[18:39] <knome> lol
[18:39] <knome> have to go, guests
[18:39] <knome> see you!
[18:39] <dashua[A90]> Pz
[18:39] <_MMA_> later
[18:40] <dashua[A90]> Breathe look exceptionally sexxy on this little beast too :)
[18:40] <dashua[A90]> looks*
[18:40] <_MMA_> Nice ;)
[18:41] <dashua[A90]> I have'n't used another icon set since last May or so when development began
[18:41] <_MMA_> Just keep testing and file bugs where needed.
[18:42] <dashua[A90]> I have'n't used another icon set since last May or so when development began I strongly disagree.  The contrast is quite nice.
[18:42] <dashua[A90]> Oh and whoever said Breathe does not look good on dark themes,
[18:43] <dashua[A90]> Sorry, getting used to these smaller keys =/
[18:43] <_MMA_> It's about all I use it on. Dust and DarkRoom.
[18:43] <dashua[A90]> _MMA_: Will do on the bugs for sure
[18:44] <dashua[A90]> I think it actually looks better on darker themes
[18:44] <dashua[A90]> Just my opinion
[18:44] <_MMA_> Been using them almost exclusively during Jaunty. More than my beloved Studio theme. ;)
[18:44] <dashua[A90]> Oh wow, that is big ;)
[18:45] <_MMA_> :P
[21:58] <geek_ubuntu> hi
[21:58] <geek_ubuntu> hello
[21:59] <geek_ubuntu> I was wondering who to speak to about contributing graphics for ubuntu
[21:59] <kn100> hey
[21:59] <kn100> depends what your contributing
[21:59] <kn100> and http://www.noob.us/miscellaneous/geek-squad-fails-computer-repair-test/
[21:59] <kn100> oops wrong link
[21:59] <kn100> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/artwork/
[22:00] <geek_ubuntu> nothing there
[22:01] <kn100> oh sorry its case sensetive
[22:01] <geek_ubuntu> oh yeh there is
[22:01] <kn100> the real link is http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork
[22:02] <geek_ubuntu> found some artwork examples https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtworkJmakProposals?action=edit&template=ArizonaTeam/MeetingTemplate
[22:02] <geek_ubuntu> i would like to contribute by making icons wallpapers login background and startup splash logo
[22:04] <kn100> add them to the wiki
[22:04] <kn100> i am new to this too
[22:07] <_MMA_> geek_ubuntu: kn100 is correct. Joining the mailing list and putting items on the wiki is the way to go.
[22:09] <kn100> yay face
[22:24] <dashua> http://www.ubuntu-pics.de/bild/14984/screenshot_7WLM53.png
[22:24] <dashua> Few tweaks to Alvaro
[22:24] <kn100> looks nice
[22:25] <dashua> Thx
[22:26] <dashua> This theme is fairly customizable from what I can tell as far as color schemes go.
[22:26] <kn100> i use standard ubuntu theme
[22:26] <kn100> mainly because ive never been able to figure out how to get other themes
[22:28] <dashua> Oh, just add them to /home/user name/.themes
[22:28] <dashua> Or drag and drop to gnome-appearance-preferences if packaged in tar.gz
[22:29] <_MMA_> dashua: You test the latest Breathe?
[22:29] <dashua> Yeah, just commented on that Rhythmbox report
[22:30]  * _MMA_ looks
[22:31] <kn100> how can i test this new breathe?
[22:31] <dashua> I thought when I originally reported that is was inherited Human not realizing it was a hi-color icon
[22:32] <dashua> Download the tar.gz and drop it in your themes tab
[22:32] <_MMA_> dashua: Cool. Player controls will look odd 'till Oliver gives me the last few control icons but they should be done for release. I also think Sebastien wants to make a custom icon at some point.
[22:32] <kn100> dashua where from?
[22:32] <dashua> kn100: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/BreatheIconSet?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=Breathe_Icon_Set-20090524.tar.gz
[22:32] <kn100> thanks
[22:33] <dashua> _MMA_: A custom icon would be sweet being that the Breathe Rhythmbox icon is so good
[22:33] <_MMA_> Note that that is missing the specific fix we're talking about but is still pretty much up-to-date.
[22:34] <dashua> Cool, this is much better than the hi-color icon or minimally more consistent
[22:35] <kn100> what do i do with this tar.gz
[22:35] <kn100> ?
[22:35] <dashua> This wood background from saleel is really good for Karmic
[22:36] <dashua> kn100: Right click Desktop > Change background > Drop that file into your themes
[22:37] <kn100> ok
[22:37] <kn100> fantastic
[22:37] <kn100> thanks#
[22:37] <dashua> :)
[22:37] <_MMA_> dashua: Which wall?
[22:37]  * _MMA_ cant remember
[22:38] <dashua> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Karmic/Backgrounds?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=eucawood.jpg
[22:38] <_MMA_> dashua: I like it as a texture but I think its a bit much as-is.
[22:39] <dashua> Yeah, it's a very good start
[22:39] <kn100> WOW
[22:39] <kn100> breathe is amazing
[22:40] <ubuntu_geek>  
[22:41] <kn100> what format do you request the icons to be in and where can i submit a try for an icon?
[22:41] <kn100> one icon that needs changing is the one that comes up with exe files
[22:41] <_MMA_> dashua: Ive been using DarkRoom, Breathe and the "simple" wallpaper for a long while.
[22:41] <kn100> breathe is beyond sexy
[22:41] <_MMA_> kn100: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/BreatheIconSet
[22:41] <dashua> _MMA_: Yeah, that background is better than the default
[22:42] <_MMA_> kn100: Note that where the set is missing icons it inherits Human than gnome. So, we simply might not have the icon yet.
[22:43] <kn100> but breathe OMG it is so sexy
[22:44] <kn100> do you have to use svg's?
[22:44] <kn100> i make svg's
[22:45] <kn100> i cant make svg's
[22:45] <kn100> i mean
[22:46] <_MMA_> Yes. The source files are all SVG.
[22:46] <kn100> oh man
[22:46] <kn100> you cant convert high resolution png's to svg's right?
[22:47] <_MMA_> ?
[22:47] <_MMA_> s/can't/can?
[22:48] <kn100> can you convert high resolution pngs (like 2000x2000) to svg's?
[22:48] <_MMA_> Yes but it's *very* messy.
[22:48] <_MMA_> And as a submission, I wouldn't accept them for Breathe.
[22:49] <kn100> nevermind
[22:49] <kn100> you guys seem to have it covered
[22:49] <_MMA_> kn100: Try to make the jump from raster to vector. Takes a bit of thought but you'll never go back.
[22:49] <_MMA_> Except for photos.
[22:50] <knome> ;>
[22:50] <knome> or gf's
[22:50] <kn100> _mma_ whats the best oss vector prog?
[22:50] <knome> *oops* :P
[22:50] <knome> kn100, inkscape.
[22:50] <kn100> is that what you guys are using for the icons
[22:50] <_MMA_> Yes
[22:50] <kn100> ok i will try and learn that
[22:51] <_MMA_> You won't regret it.
[22:51]  * _MMA_ still has to dig into Blender. (one of these years)
[22:52] <kn100> know any good tutorial sites?
[22:53] <_MMA_> kn100: On thing about Inkscape, *lots* or resources. Honestly, I would /join #inkscape and chat with them.
[22:53] <kn100> ok
[22:53] <kn100> will google it
[22:57] <_MMA_> DeviantArt has lots of HOWTOs. (just search) And a great manual done last year: http://en.flossmanuals.net/Inkscape/FM_Inkscape_18Oct08.pdf
[22:57] <_MMA_> http://inkscapetutorials.wordpress.com
[22:58] <_MMA_> http://screencasters.heathenx.org
[23:02] <kn100> the breath skin is EPIC WIN!
[23:02] <kn100> i LOVE IT
[23:02] <kn100> include it in 9.10
[23:03] <_MMA_> kn100: Maybe. But not default. It will at least be in the repos.
[23:03] <kn100> i love the new wine icon
[23:04] <kn100> sound and video icon needs a new one
[23:04] <_MMA_> Like I said, WIP.
[23:04] <kn100> yeah
[23:04] <kn100> great so far though
[23:04] <kn100> amazing how good quality you guys aim for
[23:04] <kn100> considering you do it for free
[23:06] <_MMA_> If you can't do it right, don't do it at all. (even for free)
[23:07] <kn100> hehe
[23:07] <kn100> massive props though
[23:07] <psyke83> hey
[23:08] <dashua> psyke83: Heya, wb. :)
[23:08] <_MMA_> +1
[23:08] <psyke83> hey guys and gals ;)
[23:08] <kn100> hey psyke
[23:08] <_MMA_> psyke83: I need you to fix this theme, and that theme. Oh, and this other one! Get to work!!!
[23:09] <psyke83> _MMA_, f**k you :P... oh wait, I mean yessir
[23:09] <psyke83> ;)
[23:09] <_MMA_> hahahahhahahahaa
[23:09] <psyke83> take a look: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1168984
[23:09]  * _MMA_ clicks
[23:10] <psyke83> the visual changes I like, but that doesn't matter. The gtkrc code is a lot cleaner now
[23:10] <psyke83> smaller, too
[23:10] <_MMA_> Nice.
[23:11]  * _MMA_ has stepped down from Studio and hopes they find someone to take over the art.
[23:12] <psyke83> keep looking, a-hole ;). I may help fix up the ubuntustudio theme, but that's the extent of my charity :)
[23:12] <psyke83> I have to get a real job too :P
[23:12] <_MMA_> I got one. Though, I had to go 307miles to do it.
[23:12]  * _MMA_ is currently working in another state. Away from his family.
[23:12] <psyke83> wow, what was it? I recall you saying something about welding?
[23:13] <psyke83> *is it
[23:13] <_MMA_> psyke83: Yeah. Back as a contract worker at my old job in my home state. maybe 3 months work. Maybe longer. Should net 10k take-home.
[23:13] <_MMA_> Working 60hrs a week.
[23:14] <_MMA_> I see the fam every couple of weeks.
[23:14] <psyke83> well not seeing your family sucks, but at least you're working... there are lots of layoffs there, and here too
[23:15] <_MMA_> Yeah. The $ will help alot. Paying some bills. Buying a fence and some toys.
[23:16]  * _MMA_ is totally getting a triple monitor setup and a Wii. (the latter mostly for the fam)
[23:16] <kn100> lucky you
[23:16] <kn100> a triple monitor setup
[23:16] <kn100> what size?
[23:17] <_MMA_> 20"/24"/20"
[23:17] <kn100> nice
[23:17]  * _MMA_ has this now though: http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/4030/dscf5024resizedxf1.jpg
[23:18] <psyke83> I have the same dell keyboard right now
[23:19] <psyke83> ;)
[23:19] <kn100> whats with the mouse?
[23:19] <_MMA_> I got 2 given to me. I liked the shape.
[23:19] <_MMA_> Older Logitech trackball.
[23:20] <kn100> you use trackballs?
[23:20] <_MMA_> And a Wacom.
[23:20] <_MMA_> (sitting behind the LCDs on the right)
[23:21] <kn100> i really need a bigger monitor
[23:21] <kn100> currently working on a 15"
[23:21] <geek_ubuntu> 17 crt
[23:21] <geek_ubuntu> and i have an Nvidia 8800 GTS
[23:21] <_MMA_> 23/24s are getting damn cheap.
[23:22] <kn100> 19" are really cheap
[23:22] <kn100> i can get decent 19" for like 50
[23:25] <knome> kn100, varies what people find "decent"
[23:26] <kn100> they are really good
[23:26] <kn100> hanns-g ones
[23:26] <knome> never heard.
[23:26] <kn100> theres no bleed and colour reproduction is good
[23:27] <knome> i'm running 2x24" widescreens
[23:28] <_MMA_> knome: I did 2 for years but that middle bezel finally drove me nuts.
[23:28] <knome> _MMA_, hehe. :) i can see.
[23:28] <knome> i just ignore it
[23:28] <knome> and notice working on one monitor a lot
[23:29] <knome> and then changing for the other to do something else
[23:29] <kn100> lucky people
[23:29] <knome> but that works relatively well
[23:29] <kn100> this 15 incher is driving me mad
[23:29] <_MMA_> Games get the worst. The tri-setup I think is gonna be sweet. Im gettin' 2 refurbed 20"s that match my 24".
[23:29] <knome> hihi
[23:30] <kn100> how much for?
[23:30] <_MMA_> Though, there are some hacks/tricks to get Compix working over 2 cards.
[23:31] <_MMA_> kn100: $340
[23:32] <kn100> wow thats bad price
[23:32] <kn100> are they like top quality or something?
[23:33] <_MMA_> *Very* specific monitors. Lots of features. Guaranteed no dead pixels.
[23:33] <kn100> these are guarenteed no dead pixels for an extra £30
[23:33] <kn100> http://www.aria.co.uk/SuperSpecials/Other+products/20%22+Belinea+Widescreen+LCD+TFT+Monitor+?productId=35245
[23:33] <_MMA_> Like my 24" Dell, I can plug damn-near any feed into it.
[23:34] <kn100> fair enough
[23:35] <_MMA_> Oh. $325. Free shipping. http://tiny.cc/Sw8D0
[23:36] <kn100> very nice
[23:36] <kn100> YAY!
[23:36] <kn100> I got itunes in ubuntu
[23:38] <kn100> (not that i use itunes, i just took it as a personal challenge
[23:40] <Viper550> I noticed the new Air plasma theme on 4.3 has a somewhat ugly fallback
[23:45]  * _MMA_ wished more Kubuntu folks were active here but Kubuntu mostly uses upstream KDE.
[23:45] <Viper550> yeah...
[23:45] <kn100> eww kde
[23:45] <kn100> lol
[23:47] <kn100> hey with wine is there any way to change the icon a wine program displays in the notification bar?
[23:48]  * _MMA_ is unsure
[23:49] <psyke83> kn100, you'd have to hack the exe with a windows reshacker
[23:49] <psyke83> (and insert the new icon)
[23:49] <kn100> will try that
[23:49] <kn100> resource hacker should do it i ugess
[23:49] <kn100> i guess
[23:50] <kn100> thank the good lord for wine
[23:51] <kn100> this file has a nonstandard resourse layout
[23:51] <kn100> lol
[23:52] <kn100> any other ideas
[23:52] <_MMA_> Ok. I'll comment. Can't help it. (take with a grain of salt) ;) There's nothing I can't do in linux that I once did in windows. WINE is only good for things you *want* to use.
[23:52] <kn100> i love wine
[23:52] <psyke83> kn100: just grab the source, patch and recom... oh sorry, my bad :P
[23:52] <kn100> it runs so many things so well
[23:52] <kn100> i know
[23:52] <kn100> thats the sad thing :)
[23:53] <kn100> the reason i want to change is because...
[23:53] <kn100> getting screeny
[23:53] <kn100> http://i44.tinypic.com/23uzsr6.png
[23:54] <kn100> look at the spotify icon in the notification bar
[23:54] <kn100> compared to my other icons its patheti
[23:55] <psyke83> kn100: is it due to the panel size, perhaps? Maybe it's all jagged because it can't display the native size
[23:55] <kn100> my panel size is the smallest it to go
[23:55] <kn100> making it larger doesnt change it
[23:55] <kn100> its because windows sucks lol
[23:56] <_MMA_> Right tool for the job. Whatever the OS.
[23:56] <kn100> what?
[23:57] <kn100> the format tool in windows?
[23:57] <_MMA_> It was a comment on your "windows sux" line.
[23:58] <kn100> hehe
[23:58] <kn100> the one thing windows got right was gaming support
[23:58] <kn100> its just so epicly good
[23:59] <_MMA_> Not really. It's the dominant OS. Development will go there because it's the biggest user share.
[23:59] <kn100> yeah
[23:59] <kn100> but directx vs opengl
[23:59] <kn100> directx is so well done