[01:34] <Slick666> Hello all, I've opened up a bug a couple days ago and I was wondering if There is anything more I need to add before it can be triaged
[01:34] <Slick666> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evolution/+bug/379055
[01:34] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 379055 in evolution "Evolution Exchange Proxy miss-match with system" [Undecided,New]
[03:24] <scream> I don't see the builds at
[03:24] <scream> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/info/2707
[03:24] <scream> for example
[03:31] <Hobbsee> scream: they probably don't exist anymore
[03:32] <Hobbsee> hrm
[03:34] <Hobbsee> or never existed.  either way
[03:36] <Hobbsee> no, they must have existed.  how strange.
[03:37] <scream> I want to test and report bugs.
[03:37] <Hobbsee> scream: I think those are on a cron-job, and dailies get deleted every friday, or something
[03:37] <scream> Can you point me in the right direction. :)
[03:37] <Hobbsee> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-server/daily/current/ always points to the latest server installation
[03:37] <Hobbsee> but, may not actually install
[03:38] <Hobbsee> the other option is to install a fresh copy of jaunty and dist-upgrade, or to install alpha 1 of karmic,and upgrade from there
[03:39] <JonCharge> So that is the desired iso for testing and reporting?
[03:39] <Hobbsee> if it works, sure
[03:39] <JonCharge> Are there specific things that need to be tested (perhaps another web page I need to read)?
[03:39] <Hobbsee> the most sensible option is to use the latest alpha, and upgrade off that
[03:40] <Hobbsee> seeing as that's actually been tested
[03:40] <Hobbsee> or at least, bits of it have
[03:40] <Hobbsee> which are at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/karmic/alpha-1/
[03:41] <Hobbsee> test anything and everything, i think
[04:01] <JonCharge> bug 379879 does not look like a bug, seems already installed from the dmesg upload, double check me before I invalidate it?
[04:01] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 379879 in ubuntu "package ltrace failed to install or upgrade" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/379879
[04:15] <Hobbsee> JonCharge: i'd ask mvo about that - dpkg shouldn't throw up it's hands for random reasons like that
[04:16] <JonCharge> Ok.
[05:13] <micahg> I'm not sure about this: bug 374398
[05:13] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 374398 in firefox "Glitches around checkboxes in Firefox" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/374398
[05:13] <micahg> Graphics card issue or compiz?
[06:31] <micahg1> Hew: can you mark something triaged for me?
[06:32] <Hew> micahg1: Depends what it is. If you are not in ubuntu-bugcontrol usually marking as confirmed is good enough.
[06:33] <micahg1> bug 135066
[06:33] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 135066 in thunderbird "Thunderbird doesn't use Ubuntu icon theme" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/135066
[06:33] <micahg1> I thought the goal was to have stuff set as traiged that no longer needs attention unless someone will start working on it
[06:35] <micahg1> are you in bug-control?
[06:38] <Hew> Ideally yes, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Status . Yes I am in bug-control. With this particular bug it is quite old, I would set it to incomplete and ask the reporter if they still consider this a bug with the latest release. Personally I don't consider that one a bug.
[06:38] <micahg> it's a wishlist
[06:38] <Hew> yes I know
[06:38] <Hew> they seem to be suggesting to change all email program icons to envelopes
[06:38] <Hew> just as firefox has the firefox logo, it seems appropriate that thunderbird has the thunderbird logo
[06:39] <Hew> this is my opinion of the report
[06:40] <Hobbsee> i doubt mozilla would let us even use a different logo, and distrubute it as 'thunderbird'
[06:40] <Hew> Hobbsee: very true!
[06:40] <micahg> it's not for the logo Hew, Hobbsee
[06:40] <micahg> It's about the mail icons
[06:40]  * Hobbsee waits for the bug to load
[06:40] <micahg> the mail icons do not have the TB logo
[06:40] <micahg> but there are themes available
[06:41] <micahg> this user just thinks that an ubuntu icon theme should be an option
[06:41] <Hew> ah ok, my mistake
[06:41] <micahg> which seems like more of an integration request
[06:42] <Hobbsee> again, i doubt mozilla would allow us that in our stock theme.  However, i think other themes do have a more fitting icon
[06:42] <Hobbsee> maybe i'm reading the bug wrong
[06:42] <micahg> but we could offer a package that would change the theme to an ubuntu icon theme
[06:43] <Hobbsee> this is true
[06:45] <Hobbsee> the question would hten be if it's worth it, or if it's more worthwhile to fix higher user effecting bugs
[06:45] <Hobbsee> i think
[06:46] <micahg> of course
[06:47] <micahg> but that's up to whoever wants to do it
[06:47] <micahg> that's why I think wishlist->triaged makes sense
[06:47]  * Hobbsee would be willing to hedge a bet that no one ever will, by the time they have to make the package, then get it thru REVU and into the archive, but whatever ;)
[06:48] <Hobbsee> for anyone who *is* wanting the icon to be different, i'd expect them to hack in and change the icon, tbh
[06:48] <micahg> Hobbsee: you're probably right, but it's not up to bug control whether an issue is taken care of or not, just to make sure there is enough info
[06:49] <Hobbsee> micahg: oh right.  so this is a hint for a developer to come and close it?
[06:49] <micahg> lol
[06:49] <Hobbsee> i can smack it down if you like
[06:49] <micahg> I'd rather just have it mark triaged
[06:50] <Hobbsee> but i think bugsquad can judge feasibility of things, ifthey're able to
[06:50] <Hobbsee> (iirc)
[06:51] <micahg> under won't fix, it says: controversial, not targeted for this version, feature developer won't implement
[06:51] <micahg> I don't think it falls into any of them
[06:52] <Hobbsee> probably the latter on there
[06:53]  * Hobbsee prods the bug
[06:53] <micahg> it's not an unreasonable request to have an app blend in, is it?
[06:54] <Hobbsee> this is a good question
[06:55] <micahg> Requests are exactly that, they don't have to be fulfilled
[06:56] <Hobbsee> Right, so this is then the debate of "do we leave bugtracker full of any and every request, or do we close stuff which we think won't get implemented, and have a saner bugtracker as a result"
[06:56] <micahg> well, if it's set to wishlist, then the devleopers can decide what to implement
[06:56] <micahg> they can sort by importance, can't they?
[06:57]  * Hobbsee wore her developer hat to modify that bug, fwiw
[06:57] <Hobbsee> i don't think I was initially clear on that, sorry
[06:57] <Hobbsee> and even things like sorting by importance get difficult when there are more than a couple of hundred bugs on a package
[06:57] <micahg> sorry Hobbsee, I don't see that as being a problem as they allow theming
[06:58] <Hobbsee> oh, do they?
[06:58] <micahg> I know, I'm trying to clear out the bug tracker for the old thunderbird package
[06:58] <micahg> yes, mozilla, allows theming for FF and TB
[06:59] <micahg> and I was suggesting it be a package for ubuntu purists
[06:59] <micahg> not even the default
[06:59] <Hobbsee> ah.  feel free to reopen it then
[06:59] <Hobbsee> hrm, gnomefreak's not here.  He could answer as part of the mozilla team
[07:00] <micahg> Yeah, I can check with him later
[07:01] <micahg> I added it to my ask file
[12:16] <xteejx> afternoon guys
[12:34] <xteejx> tell me about sane
[12:34] <xteejx> ubot4
[13:30] <skullhacks> In how many chats am I?
[14:07] <askand> What debug packages do I need to get debugsymbols to trace a segfault for firefox?
[14:33] <xteejx> !search firefox
[14:33] <ubot4> Found: ff3, ftp, firefox, kde firefox, autoscroll, fffc, thunderbird, ff@firefox, flash64bit, firefox-kde@kde firefox
[14:33] <xteejx> askand, firefox-3.5-dbg
[14:47] <yofel> askand: for ffx-3.5 beta use the package xteejx said, for the stable firefox (3.0) add the repository from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProgramCrash and install firefox-3.0-dbgsym
[15:17] <xteejx> !search qt4
[15:17] <ubot4> Found: qt
[15:17] <xteejx> !info qt
[15:17] <ubot4> xteejx: Package qt does not exist in jaunty
[15:17] <xteejx> !qt
[15:17] <ubot4> Qt is the Qt (pronounced "cute") toolkit, which forms the base of KDE and is used by many applications to provide a !GUI. Install the libqt3-mt-dev package to compile Qt 3 applications or libqt4-dev for Qt 4 applications. Qt 4.4 is available from hardy-backports
[15:25] <BUGabundo> guud day
[15:34] <askand> yofel: I still get (no debugging symbols found)
[15:35] <askand> after installing firefox-3.0-dbgsym
[15:36] <BUGabundo> askand: please pastebin a trace
[15:36] <BUGabundo> from the lines where it lacks gdb
[15:36] <BUGabundo> you can dpgk -S /path/to/that/lib
[15:36] <BUGabundo> and install the proper debug libs
[15:37]  * BUGabundo has more gdbsym libs then regular packages installed
[15:38] <xteejx> lol i'm not surprised bugabundo
[15:38] <xteejx> how is everyone today anyway?
[15:39] <askand> BUGabundo: http://pastebin.com/m3c98986d
[15:39] <BUGabundo> xteejx: going fine
[15:39] <xteejx> BUGabundo, good good :)
[15:40] <BUGabundo> askand: what's this? bt full'[K
[15:40] <BUGabundo> This GDB was configured as  "i486-linux-gnu"...
[15:40] <BUGabundo> very strange!!!
[15:41] <BUGabundo> why do you have it set for 486?
[15:42] <askand> BUGabundo: I have no idea :O but I wrote bt full
[15:43] <BUGabundo> askand: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Bugs/Triage/Responses
[15:43] <BUGabundo> apt-get install firefox-dbg
[15:43] <BUGabundo> apt-get install libgtk2.0-0-dbg libnss3-0d-dbg libnspr4-0d-dbg libpango1.0-0-dbg libc6-dbg
[15:43] <BUGabundo> askand: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Bugs/  too
[15:44] <askand> BUGabundo: Hm, i've got no libnss3-0d-dbg
[15:44] <BUGabundo> and all the others
[15:44] <BUGabundo> ?
[15:45] <askand> I have the others but libnss is not in my repos
[15:45] <BUGabundo> do you have te debug repo ?
[15:45] <askand> yep
[15:45] <BUGabundo> some need to be updated to the correct verions
[15:46] <BUGabundo> the wiki is outdate
[15:46] <BUGabundo> a good job for a new bug triager
[15:46] <BUGabundo> isn't micahg around '
[15:47] <micahg> BUGabundo: I'm here
[15:47] <micahg> what's up?
[15:47] <BUGabundo> another guy that never sleeps
[15:47] <BUGabundo> eheh
[15:48] <BUGabundo> micahg: wanna help update the mozillateam wiki page?
[15:48] <micahg> It's 9:45AM in Chicago :)
[15:48] <BUGabundo> its very outdated
[15:48] <BUGabundo> Sun May 24 15:48:15 WEST 2009
[15:48] <micahg> Yeah, I already was going to do some of that
[15:48] <BUGabundo> great
[15:48] <micahg> but mainly regarding flash
[15:48] <BUGabundo>  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Bugs/  and
[15:48] <BUGabundo>  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Bugs/Triage/Responses
[15:48] <BUGabundo> most debug libs and nss ave wrong version
[15:49] <micahg> This is the latest updated mozilla page
[15:49] <micahg> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Bugs/TriagersHandbook
[15:49] <BUGabundo> no sure we should go with JJ or KK
[15:49] <BUGabundo> haa nice
[15:49] <BUGabundo> time to bookmark it
[15:49] <BUGabundo> all other should refer to that then
[15:49] <micahg> but  the other ones need updates as well
[15:49] <xteejx> !search update-notifier
[15:49] <ubot4> None found
[15:49] <xteejx> hmmmm
[15:49] <xteejx> !update
[15:49] <BUGabundo> ohh it's a poor page
[15:49] <ubot4> For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes - see also http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/upgrading
[15:50] <micahg> xteejx: what are you looking for?
[15:50] <BUGabundo> micahg: xteejx is looking to flood us
[15:50] <xteejx> trying to debug why update-notifier never kicks in when there are updates
[15:50] <xteejx> i dont flood :)
[15:50] <BUGabundo> xteejx: that would be bug 332945
[15:50] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 332945 in null "[Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/332945
[15:51] <xteejx> BUGabundo, bug 126775 - problem since Feisty
[15:51]  * BUGabundo loves the "null" project
[15:51] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 126775 in update-notifier "Update Notifier does not work" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/126775
[15:51] <BUGabundo> brb... need to go to a wind machine to update my GPS maps
[15:51] <micahg> BUGabundo: I'll have to update it when asac is around, so maybe next week
[15:52] <BUGabundo> why do you need him?
[15:52] <BUGabundo> its just a case of looking for updated lib versions
[15:52] <BUGabundo> and change the text
[15:52] <micahg> well, I don't think that it's even necessary anymore
[15:52] <micahg> I think apport might take care of it
[15:52] <micahg> but I have to check
[15:53] <BUGabundo> micahg: apport doesn't generate backtracks on call
[15:53] <BUGabundo> just for crashes
[15:53] <micahg> right
[15:54] <micahg> but there's a whole section on crashes that might be able to be removed and replaced with a one line command
[15:59] <micahg> askand: libnss3-1d-dbg in Jaunty
[16:00] <askand> micahg: yes thanks, i have that installed but still get no debugging symbols found
[16:00] <BUGabundo> micahg: I would agree ... using apport is a good solution!!!
[16:00] <micahg> askand: is it a crash?
[16:00] <BUGabundo> but *remember* apport is only for II and latter
[16:00] <micahg> II?
[16:00] <askand> micahg: yes
[16:00] <BUGabundo> you still support GG
[16:00] <BUGabundo> II = interpid
[16:00] <micahg> no, we don't support GG
[16:00] <micahg> HH on
[16:00] <micahg> and apport is in HH
[16:01] <micahg> askand: what Ubuntu version?
[16:01] <askand> im on jaunty
[16:01]  * BUGabundo starts to mess actively supported versions
[16:02] <micahg> askand: sudo force_start=1 /etc/init.d/apport restart
[16:02] <micahg> then crash firefox
[16:03] <BUGabundo> that's one way
[16:03] <micahg> :)
[16:03] <BUGabundo> but how easy is it to crashe FF?
[16:03] <BUGabundo> ohh nevermind! stupid Q
[19:38] <xteejx> guys, is there a russian ubuntu irc room?
[19:39] <micahg> #ubuntu-ru
[19:39] <xteejx> micahg, just done /list , either theres no room or nno-one in it
[19:41] <kklimonda> !ru
[19:41] <ubot4> Пожалуйста посетите #ubuntu-ru для получения помощи на русском языке  / Pozhalujsta posetite #ubuntu-ru dlya polucheniya pomoshi na russkom yazyke
[19:41] <kklimonda> so, channel exists..
[19:41] <xteejx> i'm not russian, neither do i speak it lol
[19:41] <xteejx> it wasn't in /list, just joined it anyway and its there no worries
[19:41] <xteejx> :)
[20:17] <xteejx> !date
[20:17] <ubot4> Factoid 'date' not found
[20:18] <BUGabundo> Sun May 24 20:18:34 WEST 2009
[20:18]  * BUGabundo as usual, BUGabundo acts like a bot
[20:19] <xteejx> wrong window :)
[20:19] <BUGabundo> oh
[20:19] <BUGabundo> hey ogra
[20:19] <BUGabundo> long time no see
[20:22] <bcurtiswx> BUGabundo: i reinstalled ubuntu on my computer.. how to I take the GPG key stored on launchpad and put it on my current computer?
[20:22] <BUGabundo> you can't!
[20:23] <bcurtiswx> oh boo
[20:23] <BUGabundo> you should have made BACKUPS
[20:23] <BUGabundo> never never delete your GPG private key
[20:23] <micahg> Do you have a backup of your home directory?
[20:23] <BUGabundo> without backups
[20:23] <BUGabundo> now u need a new one
[20:23] <bcurtiswx> micahg, yes :D
[20:23] <BUGabundo> ohh then you are safe
[20:23] <BUGabundo> uff
[20:24] <micahg> restore the files in .gnupg
[20:24] <bcurtiswx> but, in case.. wheres a good tutorial on creating a new one
[20:24] <micahg> LP
[20:24] <bcurtiswx> ok
[20:24] <micahg> where your key is listed are the instructions for creating a new one
[20:25] <BUGabundo> bcurtiswx: use seahorse!
[20:25] <BUGabundo> its the easiest way with GUI
[20:26] <BUGabundo> or the LP help via CLI for *fast*
[20:32] <bcurtiswx> seems the ubuntu keyservers a little slow today
[20:42] <bcurtiswx> you guys use jabber a lot?
[20:42] <BUGabundo> bcurtiswx: somewhat
[20:42] <BUGabundo> depends on who I want to talk to
[20:43] <bcurtiswx> its it the main Im client for Ubuntu members
[20:43] <BUGabundo> but I have many conctacts there! I even use several MUC
[20:43] <BUGabundo> Pidgin
[20:43] <BUGabundo> bcurtiswx: ahah?? Ubuntu Members what?
[20:44] <bcurtiswx> well launchpad has a jabber id section for my profile.. makes me think that to contact other launchpad people they use jabber a lot
[20:44] <bcurtiswx> considering i've never heard of it until joining the ubuntu community
[20:45] <BUGabundo> ehehe
[20:45] <BUGabundo> its just a contact... like email
[20:45] <BUGabundo> surelly in the near future it will have µblog section
[20:45] <BUGabundo> LOLOL
[20:45]  * BUGabundo thinks of filing a wishbug
[20:45] <bcurtiswx> haha
[20:46] <BUGabundo> I really do
[20:46] <BUGabundo> of course it will be closed won't fix, since we can add it to the profile page
[20:46] <bcurtiswx> it seems jabber and its VV support is good with empathy
[20:49] <BUGabundo> nice
[20:56] <kklimonda> I can't get notifications to work with empathy :/
[20:57] <BUGabundo> I think a recent update mess them up
[20:57] <kklimonda> do you have a bug?
[20:57] <BUGabundo> nope
[21:11] <elena09> hello
[21:13] <BUGabundo> elena09: hi. long time no see
[21:13] <BUGabundo> what's you ?
[21:13] <BUGabundo> *up?
[21:13] <elena09> you fired me...
[21:14] <BUGabundo> hey andresmujica
[21:14] <andresmujica> hey Bugabundo!!! where are u?
[21:14] <BUGabundo> on the sofa
[21:14] <BUGabundo> at home
[21:14] <elena09> dropbox doesn't start when I choose applications-Internet-Dropbox
[21:15] <andresmujica> :)
[21:15] <BUGabundo> elena09: new version? if so, $ dropbox status
[21:15] <BUGabundo> and let me know
[21:15] <BUGabundo> but this is WAY off topic for this room
[21:15] <BUGabundo> pvt me please
[21:15] <kklimonda> you people still use dropbox? is so yesterday ;}
[21:15] <kklimonda> it's* ;)
[21:15] <BUGabundo> don't want to get anyone angry at us
[21:15] <kklimonda> :}
[21:15] <kklimonda> hehe
[21:15] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: ehehe I use both DB and U1
[21:15] <BUGabundo> and that is DropBox and UbuntuOne
[21:16] <BUGabundo> in case you don't know that those acronims are :))
[21:16] <andresmujica> which one is best for u?
[21:16] <elena09> hmmmm it says "idle" but the icon of Dropbox doesn't appear anymore in the upper right
[21:16] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: I've moved all my files from DB to U1 (and now it doesn't work :D)
[21:17] <BUGabundo> andresmujica: up until now DB by a lot
[21:17] <BUGabundo> elena09: $ dropbox stop
[21:17] <BUGabundo> and then
[21:17] <BUGabundo> elena09: $ dropbox start
[21:17] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: LOL
[21:17] <elena09> I did it and it says "dropbox already running"
[21:18] <BUGabundo> andresmujica: maybe when all the new features dobey (can't public) say there will be
[21:18] <elena09> the icon is missing from the upper right
[21:18] <BUGabundo> come out, it will be better, but until then DB is better
[21:18] <elena09> ok
[21:18] <BUGabundo> faster, share (that works), versoning, photo gallery, multi OS, mobile
[21:19] <BUGabundo> elena09: $ dropbox stop
[21:19] <elena09> Dropbox daemon stopped.
[21:21] <elena09> ok it works now
[21:21] <elena09> I started it again and it works. Thank you a lot.
[21:22] <elena09> :)
[21:23] <BUGabundo> np
[21:23] <BUGabundo> glad I could help
[21:23] <elena09> good night
[21:23]  * BUGabundo being *everywhere* has its advantages lol
[21:29] <xteejx> anyone have a RAID setup??
[21:29] <xteejx> Ref bug 129012, need some help.
[21:29] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 129012 in debian-installer "when setting up RAID, the installer appears to stall at a blue screen for 10 minutes. Suggest "watch cat /proc/mdstat"" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/129012
[21:32] <xteejx> Bug 129012 - can someone have a look at this for me please?
[21:32] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 129012 in debian-installer "when setting up RAID, the installer appears to stall at a blue screen for 10 minutes. Suggest "watch cat /proc/mdstat"" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/129012
[21:53] <Notch-1> hi all, please check this out: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/loop-aes-source/+bug/342902
[21:53] <Notch-1> this CONFIG_BLK_DEV_LOOP=y new setting is a huge problem for somebody, are there any chances to get back to CONFIG_BLK_DEV_LOOP=m ?
[21:54] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 342902 in loop-aes-source "Build error: ‘struct bio’ has no member named ‘bi_hw_front_size’" [Undecided,New]
[22:13] <bcurtiswx> does debian have an online bug submission form?
[22:14] <bcurtiswx> i see things for e-mail submission
[22:14] <kklimonda> bcurtiswx: it has a reportbug terminal tool
[22:15] <bcurtiswx> kklimonda: is that the main way I should push bugs upstream with debian?
[22:16] <kklimonda> bcurtiswx: that's the way I use.
[22:17] <kklimonda> bcurtiswx: beats writing email :)
[22:17] <BUGabundo> bcurtiswx: and it beats the hell of our tools
[22:17] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: why?
[22:17] <kklimonda> well, true - we could use similar tool..
[22:17] <BUGabundo> its that great
[22:17] <BUGabundo> isn't it ?
[22:17] <kklimonda> hmm, maybe i'll write something like that..
[22:17] <bcurtiswx> apport is our "tool"
[22:17] <BUGabundo> you have... its called LP
[22:17] <kklimonda> bcurtiswx: it uses browser
[22:18] <bcurtiswx> so here in ubuntu i type reportbug ?
[22:18] <kklimonda> reportbus i great because it's completely text based and fast..
[22:18] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: lp works on e-lynks!
[22:18] <BUGabundo> I filed a bug once with it
[22:18] <BUGabundo> FF wasn't opening
[22:18] <BUGabundo> lol
[22:18] <BUGabundo> Geek points for me
[22:18] <kklimonda> bcurtiswx: if you want to report bug to debian you use reportbug, if to ubuntu use ubuntu-bug
[22:20] <bcurtiswx> bcurtis@Weather:~$ reportbug
[22:20] <bcurtiswx> *** ERROR: "Ubuntu" BTS is currently unsupported.
[22:20] <micahg1> kklimonda: reportbug only works on a debian os
[22:20] <kklimonda> bcurtiswx: you have to add -B debian
[22:21] <kklimonda> micahg: I've used reportbug few times so it works just fine.
[22:21] <micahg> kklimonda: yeah, but don;t they get upset that you're reporting about a debian package based on the ubuntu version?
[22:22] <micahg> maybe the debian version doesn't have the issue
[22:22] <kklimonda> micahg: Well, I report only bugs that are present in debian (mostly packaging issues)
[22:22] <BUGabundo> micahg: we have no idea what bcurtiswx is trying to repport
[22:22] <kklimonda> micahg: sure - it doesn't make any sense to report bugs with ubuntu system to debian bts.
[22:22] <bcurtiswx> haha, im pushing bug #351369 upstream
[22:22] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 351369 in update-notifier "Preferences should allow for custom "check for updates" frequency" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/351369
[22:23] <BUGabundo> bcurtiswx: is debian the upstream project?
[22:23] <bcurtiswx> yup
[22:23] <BUGabundo> really?
[22:23] <bcurtiswx> i looked in gnome.. nope
[22:23] <bcurtiswx> googled it
[22:23] <bcurtiswx> only thing came up was debian
[22:24] <kklimonda> bcurtiswx: nope - it's ubuntu
[22:24] <BUGabundo> its upstream is resgitered  as a LP project
[22:24] <BUGabundo> to MVO
[22:24] <BUGabundo> bcurtiswx: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-notifier/+bug/351369/+choose-affected-product
[22:24] <bcurtiswx> where can i find this _valuable_ information
[22:24] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 351369 in update-notifier "Preferences should allow for custom "check for updates" frequency" [Wishlist,New]
[22:24] <BUGabundo> so don't bother
[22:25] <kklimonda> bcurtiswx: apt-cache show update-notifier
[22:25] <BUGabundo> mvo will be notified of the bug anyway
[22:25] <kklimonda> bcurtiswx: check Maintainer field and package version
[22:25] <bcurtiswx> ahhh, ok
[22:25] <bcurtiswx> much thanks all!
[22:25] <kklimonda> bcurtiswx: Ubuntu packages has Maintainer who use @ubuntu.com email and don't have Original-Maintainer:
[22:26] <BUGabundo> who the heck wants to check hourly for updates?
[22:26] <BUGabundo> its going to hammer the server for nothing
[22:26] <BUGabundo> smells to me like wontfix
[22:27] <BUGabundo> there was this little apt-cron to do that btw
[22:27] <BUGabundo>  !package cron-apt
[22:27] <ubot4> BUGabundo: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[22:27] <BUGabundo>  !info cron-apt
[22:28]  * BUGabundo kicks the bot
[22:28] <BUGabundo> !info cron-apt
[22:28] <ubot4> BUGabundo: cron-apt (source: cron-apt): automatic update of packages using apt-get. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.6.7 (jaunty), package size 24 kB, installed size 220 kB
[22:28] <BUGabundo> nothing like a little kick
[22:28] <bcurtiswx> did the space fool it ?
[22:28] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: is it just me or there are no X drivers for virtualbox guest in repository?
[22:28] <BUGabundo> bcurtiswx: I'm closing it
[22:29] <BUGabundo> ohhh I can't set it wontfix!
[22:29] <BUGabundo> hggdh: can you ?
[22:29] <kklimonda> :)
[22:29] <bcurtiswx> BUGabundo: i think the idea was just to have a custom time for users to choose
[22:29]  * BUGabundo needs to apply for bug control
[22:29] <BUGabundo> bcurtiswx: there's already a tool for that
[22:30] <bcurtiswx> i can set to wont fix
[22:30] <bcurtiswx> whats the tool for that?
[22:31] <BUGabundo> bcurtiswx: I just commented on it
[22:32] <bcurtiswx> i don't think thats what he was looking for though
[22:32] <bcurtiswx> i think he wanted it to be built into the program update-notifier and its settings
[22:32] <BUGabundo> its built into it, sort tha
[22:33] <BUGabundo> once it gets updates, and freshens the DB cache
[22:33] <BUGabundo> UN should fire up like usual
[22:33] <BUGabundo> at least it did for me on older version
[22:33] <BUGabundo> but with all this changes to UM who knows
[22:33] <BUGabundo> then again... AppCenter
[22:34] <BUGabundo> ohh how wonderful! an all new world of Bugs to be filled
[22:34] <bcurtiswx> i don't think won't fix is the right way to go though.  I'm going to set it back as triaged
[22:34] <BUGabundo> Invalid?
[22:36] <bcurtiswx> no, its a valid wishlist bug.  I think at this point MVO should take over. if he sees it triaged hes going to act on it.. if we keep changing the status, hes going to ignore it longer
[22:36] <BUGabundo> just got to catch him online and ask
[22:36] <BUGabundo> but he hasn't been coming in for a while
[22:37] <micahg> who is mvo?
[22:37] <bcurtiswx> yup, i will do that too.  marking as triaged tho
[22:37] <BUGabundo> hope everything is okay
[22:37] <BUGabundo> micahg: Michael Vogh
[22:37] <bcurtiswx> Michael Vogt (maintainer for update-notifier)
[22:37] <micahg> ah ok, still learning who all the players are here
[22:37] <BUGabundo> bcurtiswx: UM, synaptic, compiz, etc
[22:37] <BUGabundo> micahg: eheh
[22:37] <bcurtiswx> micahg: you will be for life :P
[22:37] <BUGabundo> micahg: checking devs LP page helps
[22:37] <bcurtiswx> BUGabundo: yeah. thx
[22:38] <BUGabundo> you can see what bug mail they get and what packages they upload
[22:38]  * micahg is pretty much sticking with Mozilla stuff for now
[22:40] <bcurtiswx> hi ogasawara
[22:41] <BUGabundo> hey ogasawara torkiano
[22:41] <kklimonda> why are virtualbox additions closed source? :/
[22:41] <torkiano> hello BUGabundo
[22:41] <kklimonda> that's sad..
[22:42] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: OSE or Suns closed one?
[22:42] <hggdh> er
[22:42] <hggdh> what is it I should do?
[22:42] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: dunno - i've installed virtualbox-ose and chosed Install Guest Additions from menu..
[22:43] <bcurtiswx> hggdh: nothing
[22:43] <hggdh> ah, OK ;-)
[22:43] <BUGabundo> hggdh: sorry to bother.. fixed
[22:55] <micahg> Debian planet just posted about debian bug #530000
[22:55] <ubot4> Debian bug 530000 in dbus "upgrading dbus and hal at the same time can break hal's init script" [Grave,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/530000
[22:55] <micahg> and that it takes them about 2 months for 10k bugs
[22:55] <micahg> we do that many in less than a month
[22:55] <micahg> so I"m wondering, when will LP bug # overtake Debian bug #s
[22:55] <BUGabundo> ehehehe
[22:55] <yoasif> micahg: soon?
[22:55] <yoasif> :)
[22:56] <BUGabundo> yep we do
[22:56] <BUGabundo> but micahg don't mistake LP bugs for Ubuntu bugs
[22:56] <BUGabundo> there are _many_ other projs there too
[22:58] <micahg> well, Ubuntu is at like 286k
[22:59] <micahg> LP's at close to 380k
[22:59] <BUGabundo> how do you know?
[23:00] <BUGabundo> those specific for ubuntu I mean
[23:00] <kklimonda> http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu
[23:01] <kklimonda> All bugs ever reported   	283883
[23:02] <micahg> yeah
[23:02] <micahg> that's weird, last week we only added 1500 bugs
[23:02] <micahg> according to the newletter
[23:02] <micahg> *newsletter
[23:03] <BUGabundo> we are still lagging behing debian by a lot
[23:03] <micahg> well, as the user base expands, so will the bug reports
[23:04] <micahg> kklimonda: in 2 minutes, 20 bugs were reported :)
[23:04] <micahg> All bugs ever reported       reported                 283903
[23:09] <BUGabundo> damn... and none mine
[23:18] <BUGabundo> I find this very strange
[23:18] <BUGabundo> apport-crash                  15295
[23:18] <BUGabundo> apport-bug                  7433
[23:18] <BUGabundo> apport-package                  5375
[23:18] <BUGabundo> needs-packaging                  1675
[23:18] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 7433 in rsync "rsync: directory traversal in daemon mode" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/7433
[23:20] <BUGabundo> and what the heck is this arch cft-2.6.27                  1405 ?
[23:22] <BUGabundo> wow dapper has more tagged bugs then JJ
[23:22] <micahg> BUGabundo: why does that surprise you?
[23:23] <micahg> dapper's been out for 3 years and JJ for 1 month
[23:23] <BUGabundo> well some one said the other day tat most bugs was from apport crash and I had an hard time beliving it
[23:23] <BUGabundo> but seems true
[23:23] <BUGabundo> but those 1765 needs packaging is A LOT
[23:27] <micahg> well, there are new software projects all the time and debian doesn't include all of them