[01:34] Hello all, I've opened up a bug a couple days ago and I was wondering if There is anything more I need to add before it can be triaged [01:34] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evolution/+bug/379055 [01:34] Launchpad bug 379055 in evolution "Evolution Exchange Proxy miss-match with system" [Undecided,New] [03:24] I don't see the builds at [03:24] http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/info/2707 [03:24] for example [03:31] scream: they probably don't exist anymore [03:32] hrm [03:34] or never existed. either way [03:36] no, they must have existed. how strange. [03:37] I want to test and report bugs. [03:37] scream: I think those are on a cron-job, and dailies get deleted every friday, or something [03:37] Can you point me in the right direction. :) === scream is now known as JonCharge [03:37] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-server/daily/current/ always points to the latest server installation [03:37] but, may not actually install [03:38] the other option is to install a fresh copy of jaunty and dist-upgrade, or to install alpha 1 of karmic,and upgrade from there [03:39] So that is the desired iso for testing and reporting? [03:39] if it works, sure [03:39] Are there specific things that need to be tested (perhaps another web page I need to read)? [03:39] the most sensible option is to use the latest alpha, and upgrade off that [03:40] seeing as that's actually been tested [03:40] or at least, bits of it have [03:40] which are at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/karmic/alpha-1/ [03:41] test anything and everything, i think [04:01] bug 379879 does not look like a bug, seems already installed from the dmesg upload, double check me before I invalidate it? [04:01] Launchpad bug 379879 in ubuntu "package ltrace failed to install or upgrade" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/379879 [04:15] JonCharge: i'd ask mvo about that - dpkg shouldn't throw up it's hands for random reasons like that [04:16] Ok. [05:13] I'm not sure about this: bug 374398 [05:13] Launchpad bug 374398 in firefox "Glitches around checkboxes in Firefox" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/374398 [05:13] Graphics card issue or compiz? [06:31] Hew: can you mark something triaged for me? [06:32] micahg1: Depends what it is. If you are not in ubuntu-bugcontrol usually marking as confirmed is good enough. [06:33] bug 135066 [06:33] Launchpad bug 135066 in thunderbird "Thunderbird doesn't use Ubuntu icon theme" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/135066 [06:33] I thought the goal was to have stuff set as traiged that no longer needs attention unless someone will start working on it [06:35] are you in bug-control? === micahg1 is now known as micahg [06:38] Ideally yes, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Status . Yes I am in bug-control. With this particular bug it is quite old, I would set it to incomplete and ask the reporter if they still consider this a bug with the latest release. Personally I don't consider that one a bug. [06:38] it's a wishlist [06:38] yes I know [06:38] they seem to be suggesting to change all email program icons to envelopes [06:38] just as firefox has the firefox logo, it seems appropriate that thunderbird has the thunderbird logo [06:39] this is my opinion of the report [06:40] i doubt mozilla would let us even use a different logo, and distrubute it as 'thunderbird' [06:40] Hobbsee: very true! [06:40] it's not for the logo Hew, Hobbsee [06:40] It's about the mail icons [06:40] * Hobbsee waits for the bug to load [06:40] the mail icons do not have the TB logo [06:40] but there are themes available [06:41] this user just thinks that an ubuntu icon theme should be an option [06:41] ah ok, my mistake [06:41] which seems like more of an integration request [06:42] again, i doubt mozilla would allow us that in our stock theme. However, i think other themes do have a more fitting icon [06:42] maybe i'm reading the bug wrong [06:42] but we could offer a package that would change the theme to an ubuntu icon theme [06:43] this is true [06:45] the question would hten be if it's worth it, or if it's more worthwhile to fix higher user effecting bugs [06:45] i think [06:46] of course [06:47] but that's up to whoever wants to do it [06:47] that's why I think wishlist->triaged makes sense [06:47] * Hobbsee would be willing to hedge a bet that no one ever will, by the time they have to make the package, then get it thru REVU and into the archive, but whatever ;) [06:48] for anyone who *is* wanting the icon to be different, i'd expect them to hack in and change the icon, tbh [06:48] Hobbsee: you're probably right, but it's not up to bug control whether an issue is taken care of or not, just to make sure there is enough info [06:49] micahg: oh right. so this is a hint for a developer to come and close it? [06:49] lol [06:49] i can smack it down if you like [06:49] I'd rather just have it mark triaged [06:50] but i think bugsquad can judge feasibility of things, ifthey're able to [06:50] (iirc) [06:51] under won't fix, it says: controversial, not targeted for this version, feature developer won't implement [06:51] I don't think it falls into any of them [06:52] probably the latter on there [06:53] * Hobbsee prods the bug [06:53] it's not an unreasonable request to have an app blend in, is it? [06:54] this is a good question [06:55] Requests are exactly that, they don't have to be fulfilled [06:56] Right, so this is then the debate of "do we leave bugtracker full of any and every request, or do we close stuff which we think won't get implemented, and have a saner bugtracker as a result" [06:56] well, if it's set to wishlist, then the devleopers can decide what to implement [06:56] they can sort by importance, can't they? [06:57] * Hobbsee wore her developer hat to modify that bug, fwiw [06:57] i don't think I was initially clear on that, sorry [06:57] and even things like sorting by importance get difficult when there are more than a couple of hundred bugs on a package [06:57] sorry Hobbsee, I don't see that as being a problem as they allow theming [06:58] oh, do they? [06:58] I know, I'm trying to clear out the bug tracker for the old thunderbird package [06:58] yes, mozilla, allows theming for FF and TB [06:59] and I was suggesting it be a package for ubuntu purists [06:59] not even the default [06:59] ah. feel free to reopen it then [06:59] hrm, gnomefreak's not here. He could answer as part of the mozilla team [07:00] Yeah, I can check with him later [07:01] I added it to my ask file === YoBoY is now known as _ === _ is now known as YoBoY [12:16] afternoon guys === yofel_ is now known as yofel [12:34] tell me about sane [12:34] ubot4 [13:30] In how many chats am I? [14:07] What debug packages do I need to get debugsymbols to trace a segfault for firefox? [14:33] !search firefox [14:33] Found: ff3, ftp, firefox, kde firefox, autoscroll, fffc, thunderbird, ff@firefox, flash64bit, firefox-kde@kde firefox [14:33] askand, firefox-3.5-dbg === asac_ is now known as asac [14:47] askand: for ffx-3.5 beta use the package xteejx said, for the stable firefox (3.0) add the repository from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProgramCrash and install firefox-3.0-dbgsym [15:17] !search qt4 [15:17] Found: qt [15:17] !info qt [15:17] xteejx: Package qt does not exist in jaunty [15:17] !qt [15:17] Qt is the Qt (pronounced "cute") toolkit, which forms the base of KDE and is used by many applications to provide a !GUI. Install the libqt3-mt-dev package to compile Qt 3 applications or libqt4-dev for Qt 4 applications. Qt 4.4 is available from hardy-backports [15:25] guud day [15:34] yofel: I still get (no debugging symbols found) [15:35] after installing firefox-3.0-dbgsym [15:36] askand: please pastebin a trace [15:36] from the lines where it lacks gdb [15:36] you can dpgk -S /path/to/that/lib [15:36] and install the proper debug libs [15:37] * BUGabundo has more gdbsym libs then regular packages installed [15:38] lol i'm not surprised bugabundo [15:38] how is everyone today anyway? [15:39] BUGabundo: http://pastebin.com/m3c98986d [15:39] xteejx: going fine [15:39] BUGabundo, good good :) [15:40] askand: what's this? bt full'[K [15:40] This GDB was configured as "i486-linux-gnu"... [15:40] very strange!!! [15:41] why do you have it set for 486? [15:42] BUGabundo: I have no idea :O but I wrote bt full [15:43] askand: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Bugs/Triage/Responses [15:43] apt-get install firefox-dbg [15:43] apt-get install libgtk2.0-0-dbg libnss3-0d-dbg libnspr4-0d-dbg libpango1.0-0-dbg libc6-dbg [15:43] askand: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Bugs/ too [15:44] BUGabundo: Hm, i've got no libnss3-0d-dbg [15:44] and all the others [15:44] ? [15:45] I have the others but libnss is not in my repos [15:45] do you have te debug repo ? [15:45] yep [15:45] some need to be updated to the correct verions [15:46] the wiki is outdate [15:46] a good job for a new bug triager [15:46] isn't micahg around ' [15:47] BUGabundo: I'm here [15:47] what's up? [15:47] another guy that never sleeps [15:47] eheh [15:48] micahg: wanna help update the mozillateam wiki page? [15:48] It's 9:45AM in Chicago :) [15:48] its very outdated [15:48] Sun May 24 15:48:15 WEST 2009 [15:48] Yeah, I already was going to do some of that [15:48] great [15:48] but mainly regarding flash [15:48] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Bugs/ and [15:48] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Bugs/Triage/Responses [15:48] most debug libs and nss ave wrong version [15:49] This is the latest updated mozilla page [15:49] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Bugs/TriagersHandbook [15:49] no sure we should go with JJ or KK [15:49] haa nice [15:49] time to bookmark it [15:49] all other should refer to that then [15:49] but the other ones need updates as well [15:49] !search update-notifier [15:49] None found [15:49] hmmmm [15:49] !update [15:49] ohh it's a poor page [15:49] For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes - see also http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/upgrading [15:50] xteejx: what are you looking for? [15:50] micahg: xteejx is looking to flood us [15:50] trying to debug why update-notifier never kicks in when there are updates [15:50] i dont flood :) [15:50] xteejx: that would be bug 332945 [15:50] Launchpad bug 332945 in null "[Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/332945 [15:51] BUGabundo, bug 126775 - problem since Feisty [15:51] * BUGabundo loves the "null" project [15:51] Launchpad bug 126775 in update-notifier "Update Notifier does not work" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/126775 [15:51] brb... need to go to a wind machine to update my GPS maps [15:51] BUGabundo: I'll have to update it when asac is around, so maybe next week [15:52] why do you need him? [15:52] its just a case of looking for updated lib versions [15:52] and change the text [15:52] well, I don't think that it's even necessary anymore [15:52] I think apport might take care of it [15:52] but I have to check [15:53] micahg: apport doesn't generate backtracks on call [15:53] just for crashes [15:53] right [15:54] but there's a whole section on crashes that might be able to be removed and replaced with a one line command === yuriy_ is now known as yuriy [15:59] askand: libnss3-1d-dbg in Jaunty [16:00] micahg: yes thanks, i have that installed but still get no debugging symbols found [16:00] micahg: I would agree ... using apport is a good solution!!! [16:00] askand: is it a crash? [16:00] but *remember* apport is only for II and latter [16:00] II? [16:00] micahg: yes [16:00] you still support GG [16:00] II = interpid [16:00] no, we don't support GG === blueyed_ is now known as blueyed [16:00] HH on [16:00] and apport is in HH [16:01] askand: what Ubuntu version? [16:01] im on jaunty [16:01] * BUGabundo starts to mess actively supported versions [16:02] askand: sudo force_start=1 /etc/init.d/apport restart [16:02] then crash firefox [16:03] that's one way [16:03] :) [16:03] but how easy is it to crashe FF? [16:03] ohh nevermind! stupid Q === plars__ is now known as plars === thunderstruck is now known as gnomefreak === captivus is now known as cg === yofel_ is now known as yofel === yoasif__ is now known as yoasif [19:38] guys, is there a russian ubuntu irc room? [19:39] #ubuntu-ru [19:39] micahg, just done /list , either theres no room or nno-one in it [19:41] !ru [19:41] Пожалуйста посетите #ubuntu-ru для получения помощи на русском языке / Pozhalujsta posetite #ubuntu-ru dlya polucheniya pomoshi na russkom yazyke [19:41] so, channel exists.. [19:41] i'm not russian, neither do i speak it lol [19:41] it wasn't in /list, just joined it anyway and its there no worries [19:41] :) === yoasif_ is now known as yoasif === yoasif is now known as yoasif_ === yoasif_ is now known as yoasif [20:17] !date [20:17] Factoid 'date' not found [20:18] Sun May 24 20:18:34 WEST 2009 [20:18] * BUGabundo as usual, BUGabundo acts like a bot [20:19] wrong window :) [20:19] oh [20:19] hey ogra [20:19] long time no see [20:22] BUGabundo: i reinstalled ubuntu on my computer.. how to I take the GPG key stored on launchpad and put it on my current computer? [20:22] you can't! [20:23] oh boo [20:23] you should have made BACKUPS [20:23] never never delete your GPG private key [20:23] Do you have a backup of your home directory? [20:23] without backups [20:23] now u need a new one [20:23] micahg, yes :D [20:23] ohh then you are safe [20:23] uff [20:24] restore the files in .gnupg [20:24] but, in case.. wheres a good tutorial on creating a new one [20:24] LP [20:24] ok [20:24] where your key is listed are the instructions for creating a new one [20:25] bcurtiswx: use seahorse! [20:25] its the easiest way with GUI === kerdekel is now known as wallace === wallace is now known as kerdekel [20:26] or the LP help via CLI for *fast* [20:32] seems the ubuntu keyservers a little slow today [20:42] you guys use jabber a lot? [20:42] bcurtiswx: somewhat [20:42] depends on who I want to talk to [20:43] its it the main Im client for Ubuntu members [20:43] but I have many conctacts there! I even use several MUC [20:43] Pidgin [20:43] bcurtiswx: ahah?? Ubuntu Members what? [20:44] well launchpad has a jabber id section for my profile.. makes me think that to contact other launchpad people they use jabber a lot [20:44] considering i've never heard of it until joining the ubuntu community [20:45] ehehe [20:45] its just a contact... like email [20:45] surelly in the near future it will have µblog section [20:45] LOLOL [20:45] * BUGabundo thinks of filing a wishbug [20:45] haha [20:46] I really do [20:46] of course it will be closed won't fix, since we can add it to the profile page [20:46] it seems jabber and its VV support is good with empathy [20:49] nice [20:56] I can't get notifications to work with empathy :/ [20:57] I think a recent update mess them up [20:57] do you have a bug? [20:57] nope [21:11] hello [21:13] elena09: hi. long time no see [21:13] what's you ? [21:13] *up? [21:13] you fired me... [21:14] hey andresmujica [21:14] hey Bugabundo!!! where are u? [21:14] on the sofa [21:14] at home [21:14] dropbox doesn't start when I choose applications-Internet-Dropbox [21:15] :) [21:15] elena09: new version? if so, $ dropbox status [21:15] and let me know [21:15] but this is WAY off topic for this room [21:15] pvt me please [21:15] you people still use dropbox? is so yesterday ;} [21:15] it's* ;) [21:15] don't want to get anyone angry at us [21:15] :} [21:15] hehe [21:15] kklimonda: ehehe I use both DB and U1 [21:15] and that is DropBox and UbuntuOne [21:16] in case you don't know that those acronims are :)) [21:16] which one is best for u? [21:16] hmmmm it says "idle" but the icon of Dropbox doesn't appear anymore in the upper right [21:16] BUGabundo: I've moved all my files from DB to U1 (and now it doesn't work :D) [21:17] andresmujica: up until now DB by a lot [21:17] elena09: $ dropbox stop [21:17] and then [21:17] elena09: $ dropbox start [21:17] kklimonda: LOL [21:17] I did it and it says "dropbox already running" [21:18] andresmujica: maybe when all the new features dobey (can't public) say there will be [21:18] the icon is missing from the upper right [21:18] come out, it will be better, but until then DB is better [21:18] ok [21:18] faster, share (that works), versoning, photo gallery, multi OS, mobile [21:19] elena09: $ dropbox stop [21:19] Dropbox daemon stopped. [21:21] ok it works now [21:21] I started it again and it works. Thank you a lot. [21:22] :) [21:23] np [21:23] glad I could help [21:23] good night [21:23] * BUGabundo being *everywhere* has its advantages lol [21:29] anyone have a RAID setup?? [21:29] Ref bug 129012, need some help. [21:29] Launchpad bug 129012 in debian-installer "when setting up RAID, the installer appears to stall at a blue screen for 10 minutes. Suggest "watch cat /proc/mdstat"" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/129012 [21:32] Bug 129012 - can someone have a look at this for me please? [21:32] Launchpad bug 129012 in debian-installer "when setting up RAID, the installer appears to stall at a blue screen for 10 minutes. Suggest "watch cat /proc/mdstat"" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/129012 === yofel__ is now known as yofel === BUGabundo1 is now known as BUGabundo [21:53] hi all, please check this out: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/loop-aes-source/+bug/342902 [21:53] this CONFIG_BLK_DEV_LOOP=y new setting is a huge problem for somebody, are there any chances to get back to CONFIG_BLK_DEV_LOOP=m ? [21:54] Launchpad bug 342902 in loop-aes-source "Build error: ‘struct bio’ has no member named ‘bi_hw_front_size’" [Undecided,New] [22:13] does debian have an online bug submission form? [22:14] i see things for e-mail submission [22:14] bcurtiswx: it has a reportbug terminal tool [22:15] kklimonda: is that the main way I should push bugs upstream with debian? [22:16] bcurtiswx: that's the way I use. [22:17] bcurtiswx: beats writing email :) [22:17] bcurtiswx: and it beats the hell of our tools [22:17] BUGabundo: why? [22:17] well, true - we could use similar tool.. [22:17] its that great [22:17] isn't it ? [22:17] hmm, maybe i'll write something like that.. [22:17] apport is our "tool" [22:17] you have... its called LP [22:17] bcurtiswx: it uses browser [22:18] so here in ubuntu i type reportbug ? [22:18] reportbus i great because it's completely text based and fast.. [22:18] kklimonda: lp works on e-lynks! [22:18] I filed a bug once with it [22:18] FF wasn't opening [22:18] lol [22:18] Geek points for me [22:18] bcurtiswx: if you want to report bug to debian you use reportbug, if to ubuntu use ubuntu-bug [22:20] bcurtis@Weather:~$ reportbug [22:20] *** ERROR: "Ubuntu" BTS is currently unsupported. [22:20] kklimonda: reportbug only works on a debian os [22:20] bcurtiswx: you have to add -B debian === micahg1 is now known as micahg [22:21] micahg: I've used reportbug few times so it works just fine. [22:21] kklimonda: yeah, but don;t they get upset that you're reporting about a debian package based on the ubuntu version? [22:22] maybe the debian version doesn't have the issue [22:22] micahg: Well, I report only bugs that are present in debian (mostly packaging issues) [22:22] micahg: we have no idea what bcurtiswx is trying to repport [22:22] micahg: sure - it doesn't make any sense to report bugs with ubuntu system to debian bts. [22:22] haha, im pushing bug #351369 upstream [22:22] Launchpad bug 351369 in update-notifier "Preferences should allow for custom "check for updates" frequency" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/351369 [22:23] bcurtiswx: is debian the upstream project? [22:23] yup [22:23] really? [22:23] i looked in gnome.. nope [22:23] googled it [22:23] only thing came up was debian [22:24] bcurtiswx: nope - it's ubuntu [22:24] its upstream is resgitered as a LP project [22:24] to MVO [22:24] bcurtiswx: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-notifier/+bug/351369/+choose-affected-product [22:24] where can i find this _valuable_ information [22:24] Launchpad bug 351369 in update-notifier "Preferences should allow for custom "check for updates" frequency" [Wishlist,New] [22:24] so don't bother [22:25] bcurtiswx: apt-cache show update-notifier [22:25] mvo will be notified of the bug anyway [22:25] bcurtiswx: check Maintainer field and package version [22:25] ahhh, ok [22:25] much thanks all! [22:25] bcurtiswx: Ubuntu packages has Maintainer who use @ubuntu.com email and don't have Original-Maintainer: [22:26] who the heck wants to check hourly for updates? [22:26] its going to hammer the server for nothing [22:26] smells to me like wontfix [22:27] there was this little apt-cron to do that btw [22:27] !package cron-apt [22:27] BUGabundo: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [22:27] !info cron-apt [22:28] * BUGabundo kicks the bot [22:28] !info cron-apt [22:28] BUGabundo: cron-apt (source: cron-apt): automatic update of packages using apt-get. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.6.7 (jaunty), package size 24 kB, installed size 220 kB [22:28] nothing like a little kick [22:28] did the space fool it ? [22:28] BUGabundo: is it just me or there are no X drivers for virtualbox guest in repository? [22:28] bcurtiswx: I'm closing it [22:29] ohhh I can't set it wontfix! [22:29] hggdh: can you ? [22:29] :) [22:29] BUGabundo: i think the idea was just to have a custom time for users to choose [22:29] * BUGabundo needs to apply for bug control [22:29] bcurtiswx: there's already a tool for that [22:30] i can set to wont fix [22:30] whats the tool for that? [22:31] bcurtiswx: I just commented on it [22:32] i don't think thats what he was looking for though [22:32] i think he wanted it to be built into the program update-notifier and its settings [22:32] its built into it, sort tha [22:33] once it gets updates, and freshens the DB cache [22:33] UN should fire up like usual [22:33] at least it did for me on older version [22:33] but with all this changes to UM who knows [22:33] then again... AppCenter [22:34] ohh how wonderful! an all new world of Bugs to be filled [22:34] i don't think won't fix is the right way to go though. I'm going to set it back as triaged [22:34] Invalid? [22:36]