[00:38] <firsm> Does anyone know why OOo looks like crap on xubuntu: http://firsm.sdf-eu.org/ooo.png ?
[00:39] <firsm> kind of looks like gtk1
[03:16] <R1cochet> is there a gtk app similar to k9copy?
[04:10] <MTec007> how would i go about doing a non persistant install? of course i want to set things up first and i need to be able to do updates and things like that regularly
[04:13] <MTec007> or is there a way to make a user that will be able to surf the internet and things like that but no files will be saved to disk after logout and no settings will be saved either?
[04:24] <R1cochet> any1 use dvd95 or dvdbackup?
[05:35] <ValentineX> hi i want to use xubuntu coz my pc is slow ubuntu is slow on my pc
[05:35] <ValentineX> DiCK454: dirty alias
[05:35] <hatake_kakashi> lol
[07:42] <aaqil> how to remove floppy and and and ..... trash icon from desktop?
[07:43] <aaqil> how to remove Home icon from desktop?
[07:45] <R1cochet> what version?
[07:46] <aaqil> 9.04
[07:46] <aaqil> i found now :D
[07:46] <aaqil> thanks
[07:46] <R1cochet> apps>settings>xfce settings>
[07:46] <R1cochet> np
[07:46] <R1cochet> :)
[07:47] <aaqil> it is fast now my pc with xubuntu :D
[07:49] <R1cochet> cool :)
[07:49] <R1cochet> what were u on b4?
[07:50] <aaqil> fedora ubuntu
[07:51] <aaqil> and xp :D
[07:51] <aaqil> xp i hate now so much
[07:51] <R1cochet> what desktop environment is fedora?
[07:51] <aaqil> fedora i dont know what is desktop environment
[07:51] <R1cochet> kde gnome xfce enlightenment
[07:52] <aaqil> gnome i selected i dont know much
[07:53] <aaqil> it is so fast that i am minimizing maximizing opened applications and windows again and again :D enjoying the speed :D
[07:54] <R1cochet> cool
[07:54] <R1cochet> looks like fedora is gnome environment
[07:55] <aaqil> yes was gnome not that other kde i think of blue themes coz friend told that kde needs more fast pc
[07:55] <R1cochet> yea and its buggy
[07:55] <aaqil> i have 2ghz 1gb ram
[07:55] <R1cochet> xfce ownz
[07:57] <aaqil> i changed language to urdu (pakistani) but i cant see the change i need to restart ?
[08:04] <aaqil> R1cochet, thanks
[10:35] <wizo> hey, what does /etc/apache2/sites-enabled do?
[10:51] <AqA> how to view my ntfs drives of xp from xubuntu?
[10:51] <knome> !ntfs
[10:52] <AqA> knome that was easy in ubuntu
[10:54] <knome> AqA, !fuse
[10:54] <knome> ehm,
[10:54] <knome> !fuse | AqA
[10:54] <AqA> i am not understanding those all :(
[10:54] <AqA> in ubuntu i just used to go to Home\ and there all my drives
[10:57] <knome> AqA, if you want, you can use nautilus in xubuntu. it's more heavy than thunar, but it should work as in ubuntu.
[10:58] <AqA> knome, what are those things i dont know what is nautilus and thunar :-S
[10:58] <knome> AqA, file browsers
[10:58] <AqA> where is thunar here
[10:58] <knome> anywhere you browse files.
[10:59] <AqA> in thunar i dont see my ntfs
[10:59] <knome> yes, as i said, you need nautilus to get them "easily" available
[10:59] <AqA> ntfs should be at left side selections like ubuntu
[10:59] <AqA> how to get nautilus
[10:59] <knome> you can ask JPohlmann for that feature
[10:59] <knome> go to synaptic, search for nautilus and install it.
[11:02] <AqA> in ubuntu 9.04 was giving that nice notifications for pidgin,,,, with black color for new messages and contacts online alerts, can i have like that in xubuntu?
[11:02] <knome> we have disabled that by default and i don't know the procedure to get it back.
[11:02] <JPohlmann> If you have mounted NTFS partitions, Thunar will let you browse them. Thunar has no direkt support for FUSE though. You'd have define FUSE mounts manually with an editor by editing /etc/fstab or by mounting from the command line.
[11:03] <knome> AqA, may i ask you, why are you using xubuntu and not ubuntu if you want all the features ubuntu does?
[11:03] <JPohlmann> AqA: I think you can. Install notify-osd and make sure you remove xfce4-notifyd before.
[11:03] <AqA> xubuntu is faster ubuntu was slowest
[11:04] <knome> AqA, if you install nautilus + all the stuff ubuntu has, xubuntu will become as slow.
[11:04] <knome> at least almost.
[11:04] <AqA>  :(
[11:04] <AqA> my pc is not even that slower 1gb ram, 2ghz processor why these are slow for me
[11:04] <JPohlmann> There's no way around that unfortunately.
[11:04] <JPohlmann> Yeah, that doesn't sound too bad.
[11:05] <AqA> JPohlmann, how to mount ntfs?
[11:05] <JPohlmann> mount -t ntfs <device name> <mount point>
[11:05] <JPohlmann> But that'll be read only.
[11:05] <JPohlmann> I think
[11:06] <AqA> what is device name and mount point
[11:06] <th0r> JPohlmann: while thunar has no direct support for fuse, you can add custom actions that will appear in the right click menu for such commands
[11:07] <JPohlmann> True
[11:07] <AqA> knome, i have installed nautilus with some other packages, still i dont see my partitions in thunar
[11:09] <JPohlmann> You'll have to use Nautilus for file browsing then.
[11:09] <AqA> wao wao wao i just found network monitor option in my panel :D
[11:09] <JPohlmann> I don't recommend that.
[11:10] <JPohlmann> Remove nautilus and add a mount point for your NTFS partition to /etc/fstab.
[11:10] <AqA> JPohlmann, how to do that explain more
[11:10] <AqA> step by step
[11:10] <JPohlmann> Install ntfs-3g
[11:11] <AqA> ok
[11:11] <JPohlmann> Done?
[11:11] <AqA> terminal said No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed.
[11:12] <JPohlmann> Ok, let me take a look.
[11:12] <AqA> synaptic says ntfs-3g already installed
[11:13] <JPohlmann> Ah, good
[11:13] <AqA> next?
[11:14] <JPohlmann> What does "ls -la /dev/sd?" on the command line give you? Please paste the output on paste.ubuntu.com.
[11:14] <zethero2> how do you browse networks in Xubuntu?
[11:15] <AqA> ls: cannot access /dev/sd: No such file or directory
[11:15] <JPohlmann> zethero2: No easy way to do it. You can mount network shares using gigolo though.
[11:16] <AqA> JPohlmann, out put ls: cannot access /dev/sd: No such file or directory
[11:16] <JPohlmann> AqA: "ls -la /dev/hd?" maybe?
[11:16] <AqA> JPohlmann, ls: cannot access /dev/hd: No such file or directory
[11:16] <zethero2> ﻿JPohlmann: you mean you cannot browse networks like in Ubuntu ?
[11:17] <JPohlmann> zethero2: Not with any of the core programs of Xfce at least.
[11:17] <zethero2> ok
[11:17] <zethero2> what do I need to install?
[11:17] <JPohlmann> I don't know
[11:17] <zethero2> won't bother asking why this is not a something built into the OS ...
[11:18] <zethero2> seems rather obsurd
[11:18] <JPohlmann> AqA: Ok, please post the output of "ls -la /dev/" on paste.ubuntu.com and post the link here.
[11:18] <th0r> zethero2: it is in the os...just not in xfce
[11:19] <zethero2> ﻿th0r: aka ... not fully functional in Xubuntu
[11:19] <JPohlmann> No, it's not absurd. First, it's not a feature of the OS. And second, Xfce has a very small developer team (~6 people working on the core of it).
[11:19] <zethero2> ?
[11:19] <JPohlmann> So we just can't implement *everything*.
[11:19] <zethero2> I mean I love it .. its so fast!!!
[11:19] <AqA> JPohlmann, http://paste.ubuntu.com/179446/
[11:19] <th0r> JPohlmann: are you on the team...always wanted to thank one of you
[11:19] <zethero2> but browsing networks is pretty common no!?
[11:19] <JPohlmann> th0r: I think so, yes ;) Thanks!
[11:20] <AqA> YEs xubuntu is fast :D
[11:20] <th0r> zethero2: you can get better network browsing in xfce then in gnome using fusesmb, but it takes some work
[11:20] <JPohlmann> zethero2: It is. But it's not exactly easy to implement, I suppose.
[11:20] <zethero2> but I guess there has to be a balance between speek and features ... right ...
[11:20] <zethero2> speed*
[11:20] <zethero2> right
[11:21] <JPohlmann> AqA: Can you paste the output of "fdisk -l /dev/sda"?
[11:21] <zethero2> is this the way to go?
[11:21] <zethero2> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=304131
[11:21] <AqA> JPohlmann, Cannot open /dev/sda
[11:22] <AqA> JPohlmann, i think last time i did not shut down my xp properly
[11:22] <JPohlmann> AqA: "sudo fdisk -l /dev/sda" then.
[11:23] <AqA> JPohlmann, http://paste.ubuntu.com/179449/
[11:23] <zethero2> ok ... so I am guessing nautilus will not work in Xubuntu?
[11:24] <th0r> zethero2: it will work, but will carry all the gnome overhead with it
[11:24] <JPohlmann> zethero2: The link looks ok, you could try that ... or try pyNeighborhood
[11:24] <zethero2> ﻿pyNeighborhood ... is that an app?
[11:24] <zethero2> ﻿th0r: right ... thought as much
[11:24] <th0r> zethero2: if you try fusesmb you should know that you will need to retrofit libsmbclient to 3.0.28a
[11:25] <th0r> zethero2: I had to search a week to find that one
[11:25] <JPohlmann> AqA: Now open /etc/fstab in an editor (as root).
[11:25] <zethero2> ﻿th0r: ok ,,, whatever that meant .. ha ... pretty much a noob here ... only using Linux for 2 years or so
[11:25] <th0r> zethero2: the new libsmbclient breaks fusesmb...so you need to download an older one and install it
[11:26] <AqA> JPohlmann, give command with editor and as root user i have forgotten :-S
[11:26] <JPohlmann> zethero2: Yes, pyNeighborhood is an application.
[11:26] <th0r> zethero2: if you google 'fusesmb libsmbclient' it should get yo uto more info
[11:26] <JPohlmann> AqA: Try "sudo gedit /etc/fstab" from the terminal.
[11:26] <AqA> JPohlmann, sudo: gedit: command not found
[11:26] <zethero2> ﻿th0r: ok well I think I will try that other mentioned ap then first ...
[11:27] <JPohlmann> AqA: Right, haha. You're using Xubuntu after all ...
[11:27] <JPohlmann> AqA: Try "sudo mousepad /etc/fstab".
[11:27] <zethero2> so what makes Xubuntu so fast?
[11:27] <knome> JPohlmann.
[11:27] <knome> ;>
[11:27] <th0r> zethero2: among other things...the lack of network browsing <smile>
[11:28] <AqA> rat makes xubuntu fast light weight
[11:28] <zethero2> ha
[11:28] <JPohlmann> Well, basically ...
[11:28] <zethero2> no fair
[11:28] <AqA> JPohlmann, opened text editor
[11:28] <JPohlmann> Small team, fewer applications and libraries, simple foundations (no Mono, few bindings, mainly just C code), less features.
[11:29] <JPohlmann> Working on the features though ;)
[11:29] <zethero2> ok
[11:29] <AqA> oh i never thought C is that powerful
[11:29] <zethero2> would desktop effects work?
[11:29] <th0r> JPohlmann: a suggestion...keep the features optional like the custom commands in thunar
[11:30] <JPohlmann> AqA: Well, on top of assembler, C is *the* foundation for most other programming languages.
[11:30] <JPohlmann> th0r: That works sometimes but not always.
[11:31] <JPohlmann> AqA: Try adding a line like this to your /etc/fstab:
[11:31] <JPohlmann> /dev/sda1 /media/sda1 ntfs auto,defaults,user,nls=utf8,umask=007,gid=46 0 1
[11:31] <th0r> JPohlmann: I know....but I stick with xfce for thunar and the custom commands...I love that idea
[11:31] <th0r> JPohlmann: and I certainly don't need transparent windows...I have a hard enough time seeing the screen at my age
[11:32] <AqA> th0r, what are custom commands
[11:32] <JPohlmann> Where /dev/sda1 is the NTFS partition you want to mount, /media/sda1 is the mount point (you probably want to rename it to something like /media/windows). Use gid=1000 though.
[11:32] <AqA> JPohlmann, which line to add?
[11:32] <JPohlmann> AqA: At the end of the file.
[11:32] <AqA> JPohlmann, this line? /dev/sda1 /media/sda1 ntfs auto,defaults,user,nls=utf8,umask=007,gid=46 0 1
[11:32] <JPohlmann> Yeah
[11:32] <JPohlmann> With the changes I suggested.
[11:33] <JPohlmann> Oh, and try to add uid=1000 as well (replace 1000 of "echo $UID" gives you a different number).
[11:34] <AqA>  /dev/sda1 /media/windows ntfs auto,defaults,user,nls=utf8,umask=007,gid=46 0 1,uid=1000 JPohlmann
[11:34] <JPohlmann> No
[11:34] <JPohlmann> /dev/sda1 /media/windows ntfs auto,defaults,user,nls=utf8,umask=007,gid=1000,uid=1000 0 1
[11:35] <AqA> added
[11:35] <AqA> save document now?
[11:35] <JPohlmann> Yep
[11:35] <JPohlmann> Then create /media/windows ("sudo mkdir /media/windows && chown 1000.1000 /media/windows")
[11:37] <AqA> JPohlmann, chown: changing ownership of `/media/windows': Operation not permitted
[11:38] <JPohlmann> AqA: Right, put a sudo in front of the second command.
[11:38] <JPohlmann> My bad
[11:38] <AqA> JPohlmann, i did not know that i am xubuntu of ur hands :-S if u come to my office i shall serve u tea
[11:38] <AqA> sudo mkdir /media/windows && sudo chown 1000.1000 /media/windows
[11:38] <JPohlmann> Yep
[11:38] <AqA> JPohlmann, mkdir: cannot create directory `/media/windows': File exists
[11:38] <JPohlmann> Right. Just run the second command then.
[11:39] <AqA> which was first and second
[11:39] <Slonkie> Anybody know how to turn off smileys in emesene?
[11:39] <Slonkie> In settings there's only an option of choosing "Default" smiley theme. :/
[11:39] <JPohlmann> AqA: sudo chown 1000.1000 /media/windows
[11:40] <AqA> JPohlmann, done
[11:40] <JPohlmann> AqA: Now try to mount the partition with "sudo mount /media/windows".
[11:41] <JPohlmann> You only have to do that manually now because I don't want to make you restart your machine. After that it should be mounted automatically.
[11:41] <JPohlmann> If it works now, that is.
[11:41] <AqA> JPohlmann, [mntent]: warning: no final newline at the end of /etc/fstab
[11:42] <JPohlmann> AqA: Add an empty line at the end of /etc/fstab then ;)
[11:42] <JPohlmann> Try to browse /media/windows with Thunar now.
[11:43] <AqA> JPohlmann, there is only my C xp partition
[11:43] <JPohlmann> AqA: But it's there, cool!
[11:44] <JPohlmann> You'll have to do the same for the other partitions (/dev/sda5 and /dev/sda6).
[11:44] <AqA> JPohlmann, there are others all :D
[11:44] <AqA> JPohlmann, they are already there all :D
[11:44] <AqA> sudo gedit /etc/fstab
[11:44] <JPohlmann> If you need these two:
[11:44] <JPohlmann> /dev/sda5            1218        2434     9775521    7  HPFS/NTFS
[11:44] <JPohlmann> /dev/sda6            3652        4868     9775521    7  HPFS/NTFS
[11:45] <JPohlmann> Just do the same thing again as you did for /dev/sda1. You only have to change /media/windows to something else for them, so e.g. use /media/windows-d for /dev/sda5 if that points to D:\\.
[11:45] <JPohlmann> Something like that. It's up to you.
[11:45] <AqA> JPohlmann, why sda5 and sda6 my all partitons are already shown
[11:45] <JPohlmann> That's weird.
[11:46] <JPohlmann> But if they are ... fine.
[11:46] <AqA> JPohlmann, even there are /media/windows and it is with other  name "Disk" is too already present
[11:47] <JPohlmann> Hmm. Maybe even C:\\ was there already before we did that fstab thing ;)
[11:48] <JPohlmann> Let me know if you have any problems with that. I'll have to prepare for Barcelona now.
[11:48] <AqA> JPohlmann, they are fine
[11:48] <AqA> JPohlmann, what line i have to insert at the end of sudo mkdir /medi
[11:49] <AqA> sudo gedit /etc/fstab **
[11:50] <JPohlmann> ?
[11:51] <AqA> JPohlmann, JPohlmann> AqA: Add an empty line at the end of /etc/fstab then ;)
[11:52] <AqA> th0r, welcome back
[11:54] <AqA> JPohlmann, thanks so much for the time and help :) see u later, thanks all
[11:57] <cemunal> my screen has been slided to right ( left side is black about one inch ) How can i rotate it with writing xorg.conf?
[12:08] <zethero2> ﻿pyNeighborhood is not mounting any of the shared folders on the network
[12:09]  * JPohlmann is off, traveling to UDS
[12:11] <zethero2> how do I get ﻿pyNeighborhood to mount shared folders?
[12:49] <abra> how can I check what process is using my swap?
[12:56] <titan_ark_> I am having trouble with 2 partitions on my external hdd, could someone help me out please
[12:58] <_Pete_> what's the exact problem with partitions?
[12:59] <titan_ark_> I have a 250 gig hdd in 5 partitions of 50 gigs each
[12:59] <titan_ark_> all ntfs
[13:00] <titan_ark_> they were working fine untill when i was burning some data out of them i got some delayed write error (in win xp) and after that they are empty
[13:01] <titan_ark_> empty in the sense that i cant see the data but free space is what it was before (i.e. ~2-3 gb in those 2 partitions)
[13:01] <_Pete_> dunno
[13:02] <_Pete_> maybe best shot is to try some windows recovery tool
[13:02] <titan_ark_> in xp only 1 drive was empty but in linux 2 drives are!
[13:02] <titan_ark_> hmmm
[13:02] <titan_ark_> and everything was just fine until i burnt data out of it :(
[13:03] <titan_ark_> i was hoping linux would have some reliable tool/ method to handle such screw ups
[13:11] <titan_ark_> no one has a solution?
[13:11] <titan_ark_> :(
[13:23] <zethero2> there must be a way to add smb privileges to the user right?
[13:32] <AqA> I am setting my screen resolution but every time i restart my xubuntu my screen resolution settings are not saved
[13:33] <AqA> سلام
[13:33] <AqA> good
[13:43] <Slonkie> Is it possible to create a shortcut like "Filesystem" on my desktop just for another harddrive?
[13:43] <mikechelen> Slonkie, sure, just link to the mount point
[13:44] <Slonkie> Would you mind explaining that more detailed?
[13:44] <th0r> Slonkie: is the other hd mounted now? maybe /media/?
[13:45] <mikechelen> Slonkie, yeah actually add "thunar" first
[13:46] <Slonkie> ah i realised.. damn things are so easy
[13:46] <Slonkie> Thanks both of ya :)
[13:46] <mikechelen> hehe good to hear :)
[13:47] <th0r> Slonkie: we could make them harder if you like
[13:48] <Slonkie> No reason to ;)
[13:49] <Slonkie> Well another question then.. Is it possible to add this link to sidepane right beneath the Filesystem link?
[13:49] <Slonkie> link/shortcut
[13:49] <Slonkie> I made a launcher on the desktop.
[13:53] <AqA> why it is happening with me :(( always i have to set screen resolution and always my panel things change their positions
[13:54] <th0r> Slonkie: again easy...right click the folder in thunar and send it to the side pane
[13:55] <th0r> Slonkie: and if I remember right you can order the links in the sidepane by dragging them around the sidepane
[13:56] <Slonkie> Well if i send the folder to sidepane the logo isen't what i want it to be
[13:56] <Slonkie> i wanna send the launcher to the sidepane, which isen't possible
[13:57] <th0r> Slonkie: you're right. When I created a launcher with a custom command line I found I had to actually create a bash script with the commandline and link to that
[13:58] <th0r> Slonkie: but I thought you were linking to a hard drive
[13:58]  * Slonkie wouldn't know how to do a bash script and link to that
[13:58] <Slonkie> I am, th0r.
[13:58] <th0r> Slonkie: where is the hard drive mount point?
[13:59] <Slonkie> It's /media/storage/
[13:59] <th0r> Slonkie: if you right click on /media/storage you should be able to add 'storage' to the sidepane
[13:59] <Slonkie> yes
[13:59] <Slonkie> as i said that doesn't have the "harddrive" icon that i want it to have.
[14:00] <th0r> Slonkie: ah....I see. I don't know of a way to change the icon
[14:00] <Slonkie> Okay :)
[14:00] <th0r> Slonkie: however...sounds like an interesting item....(going to google)
[14:02] <Slonkie> :)
[14:10] <th0r> Slonkie: those links are stored in ~/.gtk-bookmarks but there is no icon info there
[14:23] <qwerkus> Hello all: I very new to scripting, and would like to know if it is possible to automate online tasks (like logging everyday into the same html/js site, updating some stuff and logging out again) via a script ? Which language would you recommand ) Perl ? Thanks for your help.
[14:26] <th0r> qwerkus: it is possible to automate daily tasks, but, for instance, once you open the firefox browser there is no way to automate what IT does
[14:27] <th0r> qwerkus: you might be able to use wget to download items from the web automatically...it is a command line program
[14:28] <th0r> qwerkus: and as far as a language you should investigate using shell scripting. There are several good tutorials on the linux documentation project (tldp.org)
[14:29] <qwerkus> know about wget, but it cannot INTERACT with web contents
[14:29] <th0r> qwerkus: right...I don't know of any way to automate the interaction.
[14:29] <qwerkus> no problem: thanks for your help
[14:29] <zethero2> its becoming increasingly frustrating to get DVD playback to work in *buntu
[14:30] <th0r> !dvd
[14:30] <zethero2> I install the libdvdcss packages and install them etc ... and still nothing
[14:30] <qwerkus>  zethero2: only one answer: MPLAYER
[14:30] <th0r> zethero2: or vlc
[14:30] <zethero2> I have been getting DVD playback going in Ubuntu for about 2 years but its never goes like they say it should
[14:31] <qwerkus> "they" ? Who's "they" ?
[14:31] <zethero2> look at what this guy says .. http://linuxmoderate.wordpress.com/2008/08/01/a-quick-look-at-xubuntu-xtreme/
[14:31] <zethero2> DVD playback worked, but not quite perfectly. Inserting a commercial DVD brought up Totem Movie Player, which couldn’t play it. VLC, however, which is one of the extras you get with Xubuntu Xtreme, played the DVD just fine
[14:31] <th0r> zethero2: I just finished a fresh install of jaunty and it went out of the box, although Totem never worked for me...I always immediately install both mplayer and vlc
[14:31] <zethero2> well I always also install VLC
[14:31] <zethero2> but that does not do the trick ..
[14:32] <qwerkus> Totem is calibrated to work only with opensource codecs
[14:32] <zethero2> mind you I am using Hardy here
[14:32] <zethero2> but still
[14:32] <zethero2> I gave up on Totaem long ago
[14:32] <qwerkus> that's why it doesn t wok out-of-the box in most of time
[14:32] <mikechelen> to play dvds with totem or mplayer requires codecs although vlc does not
[14:32] <qwerkus> one you manually configure it, it works well...
[14:32] <qwerkus> yes, but i found out vlc to be far less flexible than mplayer
[14:33] <qwerkus> of course, it can be tricky to learn all the command-line options...
[14:33] <qwerkus> For an example: try mkv with vlc, you might be surprised !
[14:34] <mikechelen> mkv plays in vlc, performance depends on system though
[14:34] <zethero2> ﻿mikechelen: vlc never works for me unless I install some other packages ....
[14:34] <zethero2> anyhow my problem is just that I want to play a commercial DVD here and cannot .. dunno what I am missing... again
[14:34] <mikechelen> zethero2, for what kind of files? it usually seems to work for me
[14:35] <mikechelen> to install codecs quickly use the ubuntu-restricted-extras package
[14:35] <th0r> zethero2: can you play ANY commercial dvds?
[14:35] <mikechelen> or xubuntu- i guess
[14:36] <zethero2> ﻿mikechelen: what do you mean by what kind of files?... its a commercial dvd ... so its .vob and .ifo etc etc
[14:36] <zethero2> ﻿th0r: nothing...
[14:36] <zethero2> ok I'll install restricted-extras
[14:36] <mikechelen> zethero2, ah ok, that probably does required restricted components
[14:36] <th0r> agreed
[14:36] <mikechelen> even vlc will not play it?
[14:36] <th0r> mikechelen: nope
[14:36] <th0r> mikechelen: need libdvdcss2
[14:37] <zethero2> I installed that already
[14:37] <zethero2> and another one
[14:37] <zethero2> libdvdread3 I think
[14:37] <mikechelen> th0r, ah okay, well once thats added then all the players should work
[14:38] <zethero2> nope
[14:38] <qwerkus> zethero2: you sure the dvd is calibrated to your geographic zone ?
[14:38] <zethero2> installed and still no playback
[14:38] <th0r> mikechelen: won't promise anything about totem <smile>
[14:38] <zethero2> ﻿qwerkus: please rephrase that question -- ha
[14:38] <th0r> zethero2: run vlc or mplayer from a terminal and then open the file, see what error you get
[14:40] <zethero2> http://pastebin.com/m1cf6215a
[14:40] <zethero2> here you are
[14:41] <qwerkus> zethero2: http://www.infrench.com/Merchant2/dvd_zones.htm
[14:41] <qwerkus> If you try to play a dvd from another zone, it just won't work ...
[14:41] <zethero2> oh your talking about regions
[14:41] <zethero2> as in DVD Regions
[14:42] <zethero2> yes ... I am all ok with that ...
[14:42] <qwerkus> Where are you from ? Your pastebin error shows: "DVD disk reports itself with Region mask 0x00f70000. Regions: 4"
[14:43] <qwerkus> Australia - NewZealand ...
[14:43] <zethero2> yes ... region 4 ... Australia
[14:43] <zethero2> and my drive is set to region 4
[14:43] <qwerkus> ok
[14:43] <th0r> zethero2: jeez...don
[14:44] <th0r> zethero2: let me try that again....don't recognize that error at all, not sure what is happening. It looks like everything is going well, then crash
[14:44] <zethero2> I have had this in Ubuntu as well ... everything is there supposedly but its just not happening
[14:45] <th0r> zethero2: do you have libdvdnav installed?
[14:45] <zethero2> never checked ...
[14:45] <th0r> zethero2: it is libdvdnav4 in jaunty
[14:45] <th0r> zethero2: while yu are there check libdvdread4 also
[14:46] <zethero2> still downloading restricted-extras ...
[14:46] <zethero2> slow downloads for some reason
[14:46] <th0r> zethero2: the data has to get all the way across the pacific!
[14:46] <zethero2> but I mean I have never needed it before ...
[14:47] <zethero2> well usually I get about 150 kb/s ... now its 50 - 60 kb/s
[14:48] <zethero2> gonna have to wait for this to finish before doing anything else ... tsktsk
[14:49] <subtwo> zethero2: any local mirrors?
[14:49] <zethero2> yes
[14:49] <zethero2> using the one here
[14:49] <zethero2> in Australia
[14:49] <zethero2> anyhow ... I asked before about desktop effects and don't remember what the answer was .. or if there was one
[14:49] <aaqil> too bad i was very happy that xubuntu is compatible with my system but now its screen resolution problem is giving me headache :(
[14:50] <aaqil> xubuntu is only linux fast with my pc all others are slow
[14:50] <th0r> zethero2: from the printout you have libdvdnav 0.1.10 and jaunty is 4.1.3...could you have a very old version of that?
[14:50] <zethero2> uh ...
[14:50] <aaqil> like ubuntu there was launchpad for bug reports etc , is there anything to report bugs for xubuntu?
[14:50] <zethero2> whichever comes with Hardy
[14:51] <zethero2> I guess its just the Hardy version of libdvdnav ...
[14:52] <zethero2> thing is that I am running Ubuntu hardy on another laptop here and it plays DVD's just fine
[14:52] <zethero2> Ubuntu Hardy that is
[14:53] <th0r> zethero2: I just ran vlc from the terminal and started a dvd....got this...libdvdnav: Using dvdnav version 4.1.3
[14:53] <zethero2> ok
[14:53] <zethero2> and the version on my other laptop in Ubuntu Hardy is
[14:54] <subtwo> zethero2: Have you tried medibuntu repository? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Medibuntu
[14:54] <aaqil>  When xubuntu will fully upgrade to 9.04? still most of the things are of 8.10
[14:54] <zethero2> libdvdnav4 version 0.1.10-0.2
[14:54] <th0r> zethero2: did you by chance install that from source? Your printout says ....libdvdnav: Using dvdnav version 0.1.10 from http://dvd.sf.net
[14:55] <zethero2> ﻿subtwo: I have before ... on other machines and had the same issues ... sometimes it works sometimes it does not ... but really it should not be needed
[14:55] <th0r> zethero2: where does dvd.sf.net come in? (maybe a hardy thing I don't know about
[14:55] <subtwo> zothero2: ok, just checking...
[14:55] <zethero2> ﻿th0r: that is the version on the Ubuntu machine ... not the Xubuntu one ... and no not installed from source
[14:55] <zethero2> ﻿th0r: I really dunno
[14:56] <th0r> zethero2: ok...I am running xfce on an ubuntu install aslo. Just really surprised at the version difference
[14:56] <th0r> zethero2: s/aslo/also
[14:56] <zethero2> ﻿th0r: I'll see in a minute if I can upgrade libdvdnav
[14:57] <zethero2> just got to let this thing finish installing
[14:57] <th0r> zethero2: check for liba52....when your vlc crashes mine says this....[00000424] a52 decoder: A/52 channels:6 samplerate:48000 bitrate:448000
[14:58] <zethero2> msttcorefonts installing
[14:58] <zethero2> almost there
[14:59] <zethero2> ;-)
[15:00] <zethero2> ﻿msttcorefonts still installing ...
[15:00] <zethero2> :-/
[15:01] <th0r> zethero2: you should at least upgrade to a 386 <smile>
[15:01] <zethero2> ha
[15:01] <zethero2> thanks man
[15:01] <zethero2> ok
[15:01] <zethero2> done
[15:02] <zethero2> using the same libdvdnav4 version as my other Ubuntu machine
[15:02] <zethero2> so that should be fine
[15:02] <zethero2> now ...
[15:02] <th0r> zethero2: ok...check for liba52
[15:02] <zethero2> yep
[15:02] <zethero2> its installed
[15:03] <zethero2> no upgrade available
[15:03] <zethero2> so thats cool too
[15:04] <zethero2> ahhh
[15:04] <zethero2> its working
[15:04] <zethero2> !!!!
[15:04] <zethero2> so it was the restricted-extras package this time
[15:07] <zethero2> thanks for the help
[15:09] <zethero2> will compiz work in Xubuntu?
[15:09] <Slonkie> Yes
[15:11] <zethero2> so desktop effects and all as well?
[15:11] <Slonkie> Worked when i tried, yes.
[15:13] <zethero2> cool
[15:17] <zethero2> could you tell me where to enable Desktop Effects?
[15:18] <Slonkie> install the compiz settings manager
[15:48] <lsbrum> Bom dia.
[15:48] <lsbrum> Hi..
[15:48] <SiDi> hi
[15:48] <lsbrum> How i customize Xfce main menu?
[15:49] <lsbrum> There is a mouse in bottom left, hehe
[15:50] <lsbrum> This menus is very large, with many itens, more than in Gnome.
[15:50] <lsbrum> Sorry for bad English, i am from Brasil.
[15:50] <SiDi> hm
[15:50] <SiDi> You'll have to edit the .desktop files manually. There is no menu editor in Xubuntu 9.04 :(
[15:51] <SiDi> http://wiki.xfce.org/pt-br/howto/customize-menu lsbrum ;)
[15:51] <lsbrum> Hummm...
[15:52] <lsbrum> I changed this file, but not happens..
[15:52] <lsbrum> heheh
[15:52] <lsbrum> /usr/share/applications/*.desktop and ~/.config/share/applications/*.desktop
[15:52] <lsbrum> Who is the right?
[15:53] <lsbrum> SiDi: Delete a *.desktop is not a trouble?
[15:53] <lsbrum> hehe
[15:53] <SiDi> Copy them in .config/share/applications/
[15:53] <SiDi> and then open them with the text editor
[15:53] <SiDi> and at the end, add "NoDisplay=True"
[15:53] <SiDi> and they will disappear from the menu ;)
[15:54] <lsbrum> wow!!!
[15:54] <lsbrum> SiDi: Thanks a lot man!
[15:54] <lsbrum> :D
[15:54] <lsbrum> This works for me!!
[15:54] <SiDi> you're welcome
[15:54] <lsbrum> :]
[15:54] <SiDi> ;)
[15:54] <lsbrum> im going away for a while!
[15:55] <lsbrum> Thanks again!
[15:56] <SiDi> no prob
[15:56] <SiDi> see you
[17:07] <saketh> hi
[17:07] <knome> !hi | saketh
[17:08] <saketh> how would i go about installing a HP officejet J6480 printer as a network printer through a windows XP comp
[17:08] <saketh> while accessing on xubuntu
[17:08] <saketh> ?
[17:08] <saketh> i cant seem to connect to it
[17:18] <saketh> hello?
[17:25] <_Pete_> lo
[17:25] <_Pete_> it's sunday and this is not 99$/minute helpline
[17:25] <_Pete_> dont except miracles :)
[17:27] <saketh> srry
[17:27] <saketh> i just set up the comp on xp
[17:27] <saketh> i just wanna configure on xubuntu
[17:28] <saketh> i mean connect
[17:28] <saketh> sri
[17:28] <_Pete_> I dont know nothing about the issue, hopefullu someone other does
[17:28] <saketh> ok
[17:28] <saketh> thanx
[17:28] <_Pete_> meanwhile best shot is to google
[17:28] <saketh> i did
[17:28] <saketh> no help at all
[17:29] <knome> saketh, did you search the ubuntu forums?
[17:29] <knome> saketh, the problem might be that your printer is just simply not compatible with linux.
[17:30] <saketh> yes i did
[17:30] <saketh> i couldn find any solutions
[17:30] <saketh> i just wanna send print jobs to my xp comp
[17:30] <saketh> which can sent them to the printer
[17:30] <saketh> ...
[17:31] <knome> right.
[17:31] <knome> i think you still need the drivers.
[17:31] <knome> saketh, a relatively good solution would be to print to pdf and print them from windows.
[17:32] <knome> if you don't mind doing that.
[17:32] <saketh> yea i guess
[17:33] <saketh> or is there any way that i can acess at least the windows 'shared files' folder from xubuntu?
[17:35] <saketh> howw ould i go about installing the drivers?
[18:02] <bytejumper> Hi All, How I Can have more resolutions listed in the monitor preferences dialog in XFCE4 ?
[18:02] <vidd> bytejumper, those are usually the resolutions detected by x server....
[18:03] <vidd> have you run xrandr to see what resolutions that list is missing?
[18:03] <bytejumper> vidd sure, But I have a 32" flatscreen which is not detected the correct resolutions
[18:03] <vidd> does xrandr list those "missing" resolutions?
[18:04] <bytejumper> I know the monitor should send his resolutions trough the I2C bus, but he does'nt sent it or I don't know...
[18:04] <vidd> ill ask again...
[18:04] <vidd> did you open terminal, and type "xrandr ?
[18:05] <bytejumper> I'm currently not on this screen, but I will try
[18:05] <bytejumper> What should I do if xrandr doesn't show the resolutions ?
[18:05] <vidd> we need the answer to that question (does xrandr see the missing resolutions) before we can get your desired solution
[18:06] <vidd> if xrandr does NOT show the desired resolutions, then the issue is outside my knowledge and expereance to assist
[18:07] <vidd> (but it is usually an issue of the proper proprietary driver needing to be installed)
[18:09] <FreeFull> How do I stop xfdesktop from autostarting? There was a checkbox in 8.10 but it's no longer there in 9.04
[18:10] <vidd> FreeFull, are you looking to get a CLI-only option?
[18:11] <bytejumper> thanks
[18:11] <FreeFull> I just want to run a screensaver with -root option instead of xfdesktop
[18:14] <vidd> screensaver with -root option?
[18:15]  * vidd is not quite sure what you mean by that
[18:15] <vidd> what does that do?
[18:20] <vidd> wb dahaic
[18:21] <dahaic> thanks :) i should probably look on the issue with VPN - I dont want to have all traffic routed through it :/
[18:22] <vidd> dahaic, what ya trying to do?
[18:24] <dahaic> well, right now, I need to do something in licensed software for my studies, so I have to connect to university VPN to be able to connect via remote desktop to our terminal server
[18:24] <vidd> heh...thats insane!
[18:24] <dahaic> but as soon as I connect to VPN, all connections start to route through it, so it disconnects me :)
[18:25] <vidd> dahaic, so why not set up a VM
[18:25] <dahaic> security issue I suppose :)
[18:25] <dahaic> VM to run the soft on it, or what do you mean?
[18:25] <vidd> have the vm connect to the vpn
[18:25] <dahaic> ah
[18:26] <vidd> so that way all the traffic from the vm
[18:26] <vidd> and not the rest
[18:26] <vidd> =]
[18:26] <dahaic> heh :D
[18:26] <dahaic> and that wouldnt be insane? :D
[18:26] <vidd> where there is a will, tux has a way =]
[18:27] <vidd> well...yeah...graphically connecting to a cli machine is ludicrus
[18:27] <vidd> but ya got to do what ya got to do
[18:27] <dahaic> or maybe I will try to find routing table or how it is called and force to NOT connect to vpn unless it is rdesktop :P
[18:28] <dahaic> if possible of course :)
[18:28] <subtwo> dahaic: how do you connect to vpn? networkmanager?
[18:28] <vidd> anything is possible =]
[18:29] <dahaic> subtwo: yeah
[18:29] <subtwo> dahaic: what vpn? pptp? openvpn?
[18:29] <dahaic> pptp
[18:30] <subtwo> In ubuntu hardy I've a successful setup with VPN to remote network but only route traffic targeted to that specific network over VPN
[18:31] <dahaic> yea, i see some checkbox like that
[18:31] <subtwo> There is options in network-manager to enter routing rules
[18:31] <dahaic> use this connection onliy for resources on its network?
[18:32] <subtwo> As I said, I was running hardy and I know that network-manager has changed it's interface a bit since then so you have to try it out
[18:32] <subtwo> but, yes it sounds like it
[18:34] <dahaic> ok, lets try it :)
[18:35] <subtwo> You can easily check your routing table from the command line with: route
[18:36] <Marcurus> hmm, still the same :)
[18:36] <Marcurus> at least for the irc
[18:36] <subtwo> Also it is important that your local sub-network is different from the remote network (e.g. don't use 192.168.0.* for both networks)
[18:37] <subtwo> otherwise you can't distinguish packets to route via the VPN
[18:38] <Marcurus> well, I think I have public IP with VPN, it shouldnt interfere
[18:38] <gamepockets> vidd: are you busy??
[18:39] <Marcurus> well, thanks for the tips guys, I will try to fiddle with the routing table later, right now I am pressed hard by deadline :D
[18:40] <subtwo> Marcurus: good luck to you then! :-)
[18:41] <gamepockets> can anyone help me set up a wired network?
[18:41] <Marcurus> thanks :)
[18:43] <subtwo> gamepockets: (don't ask to ask!) what is the problem?
[18:43] <gamepockets> i have a win laptop and a mac (xubuntu) want to transfer files over a wired network.
[18:44] <subtwo> Routers? DHCP?
[18:44] <gamepockets> dlink router
[18:45] <subtwo> Both machines are connected to the network? Do you know the IP of each computer?
[18:45] <gamepockets> yes, ithink
[18:46] <gamepockets> been using gftp but the win pc rejects connection
[18:47] <subtwo> What ftpserver do you use? Have you modified the firewall in windows to accept ftp connections?
[18:47] <vidd> hello gamepockets
[18:47] <subtwo> Another maybe easier way is to create a network samba share on the windows machine and connect to it with smbfs or smbclient or something from xubuntu
[18:48] <vidd> gamepockets, which machine has the ftp server?
[18:48] <gamepockets> vidd! you crafty b#st*rd... the mac (xu)
[18:49] <vidd> gamepockets, if the linux box has the server, then the ftp client needs to be on the win machine
[18:49] <gamepockets> wait a sec, i can transfer to my xbox with the linbox though...
[18:49]  * vidd recommends filezilla (filezilla-project.org) for ftp client on windows
[18:50]  * knome recommends linux
[18:50] <Marcurus> subtwo: btw, that option worked... except that right now I dont know how to say "use the VPN" so I am deselecting it again for now :D
[18:50] <knome> ;>
[18:50] <vidd> gamepockets, does the xbox have an ftp server on it?
[18:50] <gamepockets> filezilla won't load on the win (2000 pro)
[18:50] <gamepockets> it may, wait it has to.... i never installed a server on the lin
[18:51] <vidd> gamepockets, really? i never had any issue
[18:51] <Marcurus> ahah, I am marucurs.. am so stupid :/ :D
[18:51] <gamepockets> fresh install... won;t load
[18:51] <subtwo> Marcurus: if the routing table is correctly setup you should be able to access the remote network by just accessing the remote ip
[18:51] <vidd> gamepockets, then you will want to install an FTP server on a machine (i recommend doing so on the linux box)
[18:52] <subtwo> Marcurus: you may also want to tunnel DNS requests over the VPN to be able to use remote hostnames instead of IP-numbers
[18:52] <gamepockets> ok, the research into that seems a bit over my head.
[18:52] <vidd> then in M$, open windows explorer, and type address ftp://ip.of.linux.box
[18:53] <vidd> gamepockets, to get the ftp server on linux: sudo apt-get install proftpd
[18:53] <gamepockets> but don't i need to set the M$ firewall for ftp?
[18:53] <vidd> gamepockets, nope
[18:53] <gamepockets> huh...
[18:53] <vidd> by default, win2k doesnt come with a built in firewall
[18:54] <subtwo> gamepockets: that is assuming you would run the ftp server on windows
[18:54] <gamepockets> ah..
[18:55] <gamepockets> with proftp do i want to use standalone?
[18:55]  * vidd doesnt even like to run windows on M$ machines!
[18:55] <vidd> gamepockets, stand alone
[18:56] <gamepockets> excellent...
[18:56] <gamepockets> (insert diabolical laughter)
[18:56] <vidd> oh...and gamepockets , please dont PM without asking first...its considered rude ;)
[18:57] <gamepockets> aw sorry about that.
[18:57] <vidd> np
[18:57] <gamepockets> so how do i use this proftp?
[18:58] <vidd> what do you mean?
[18:58] <gamepockets> i don't see it. no gui?
[18:58] <subtwo> gamepockets: you have to configure it. look in /etc directory for proftpd configuration files
[18:58] <vidd> on your linux machine, you make sure the files you want to be able to transfer are in the /home directory
[18:59] <vidd> gamepockets, you dont need a gui
[18:59] <gamepockets> so it just "is"
[18:59] <vidd> the gui is the ftp CLIENT
[18:59] <gamepockets> oooooh!
[18:59] <gamepockets> (lightbulb)
[19:00] <vidd> just like apache is the web server....but you see web pages in the web client program (browser)
[19:00] <gamepockets> right..
[19:00] <gamepockets> ok, think i got it.
[19:01] <gamepockets> once more, your my digital saviour...
[19:01] <vidd> older versions of M$ had ftp built into the OS
[19:02] <vidd> so if you open IE or WE and browse to ftp://[address] you can drag-and-drop like you can inside windows
[19:03] <gamepockets> nice! just make sure files to share are in home dir.
[19:03] <vidd> yes...the username and passwd are the same as your username and passwd in linux
[19:04] <gamepockets> you're the man vidd, njoy the holiday...
[19:04] <vidd> btw...there are some more advanced settings for proftp if you are interested =]
[19:04] <gamepockets> advanced??
[19:04] <vidd> yes
[19:04] <vidd> you can set up ldap support....
[19:05] <gamepockets> ?
[19:05] <vidd> multiple users having multiple access ponts....
[19:05] <gamepockets> better stick with just the one
[19:05] <vidd> yeah =]
[19:05] <vidd> check out proftp's home page some time
[19:06] <gamepockets> definately
[19:06] <vidd> you might also want to check out the free on-line linux course
[19:06] <vidd> http://www.linux.org/lessons/
[19:07] <vidd> wb Marcurus
[19:07] <gamepockets> yeah i was lookin at that, my old arch nemesis actually founded one of the ubuntu indiana teams...
[19:07] <Marcurus> :) thanks
[19:08] <gamepockets> anyway, thanks vidd!
[19:15] <vidd> wb GaeliX
[20:31] <bytejumper> Hi All, I have trouble with apt-get, I have installed 'apt-get install doxbox', but when I run it, I get a message about missing the file libpulse-simple.so.0, which should be in the libpulse0 package, the libpulse0 package is installed, but the file is not available in the system
[20:31] <bytejumper> what should I do ? Sorry for the typo, dosbox, not doxbox
[20:32] <vidd> so you installed dosbox
[20:32] <bytejumper> yes, I have
[20:32] <vidd> then you ran dosbox and are getting this error?
[20:32] <bytejumper> yes, I'm running dosbox from a terminal
[20:33] <bytejumper> the file should be /usr/lib/libpulse-simple.so.0
[20:33] <bytejumper> but the file doesn't exists
[20:33] <vidd> have you done a search of your system to make sure you have "missing" file?
[20:33] <bytejumper> yeah, find / -name "lib...." -print doesn't give any results
[20:34] <vidd> ok....one sec
[20:34] <bytejumper> ok
[20:37] <vidd> bytejumper, what version of libpulse-simple do you have?
[20:38] <vidd> if you cant tell...then do this:
[20:39] <vidd> sudo apt-get remove --purge libpulse0 && sudo apt-get install libpulse0
[20:40] <vidd> now...you will also want to view what that takes out but does not put back
[20:41] <vidd> there is a "reinstall" command but i dont know what it is off the top of my head
[20:41] <vidd> something like "sudo dpkg-reconfigure {app} "
[20:42] <vidd> anoher thing you can do is download the .deb for libpulse and dpkg -i it
[20:43] <bytejumper> when I remove the libpulse0 package, many other packages will be removed
[20:43] <bytejumper> I find it very strange because this is a fresh (today) install
[20:43] <vidd> bytejumper, but i think you will find that your version of libpulse is 0.7.1
[20:43] <FreeFull_> I never used pulseaudio, always used alsa
[20:44] <vidd> bytejumper, yes? no?
[20:45] <bytejumper> one moment, the system uninstall packages
[20:45] <bytejumper> libpulse0 (1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20)
[20:46] <vidd> so you are not looking in the /etc file to see which version of the .so file you have?
[20:47] <bytejumper> no
[20:47] <vidd> did you already uninstall?
[20:47] <bytejumper> Yes
[20:47] <bytejumper> dosbox now works
[20:47] <bytejumper> but what is the reason for this problem ?
[20:47] <vidd> (oh im so shocked)
[20:47] <bytejumper> can You explain please ?
[20:47] <vidd> yeah... libpulse sucks
[20:47] <vidd> =]
[20:48] <bytejumper> I'm new to the apt-get thing, I'm a old Slackware and ArchLinux user
[20:48] <FreeFull_> Someone didn't create the packages properly, that's the problem
[20:48] <bytejumper> hmmm, very odd, I have installed from the repo again
[20:48] <vidd> bytejumper, dosbox doesnt NEED libpulse to run....
[20:48] <bytejumper> why for the first time it hasn't worked and for the second it worked ?
[20:49] <bytejumper> I know libpulse doesn't need libpulse :)
[20:49] <vidd> but since libpulse is there (and broken() it caused issues
[20:49] <bytejumper> ok
[20:49] <bytejumper> So, a broken package causes apt-get to get dummy ?
[20:49] <vidd> no...
[20:50] <vidd> your apt-get is fine
[20:50] <vidd> but a broken file can mess up other apps that use it
[20:50] <bytejumper> ok, but dosbox doesn't use libpulse
[20:50] <vidd> that isnt what i said....
[20:50] <bytejumper> yes
[20:50] <bytejumper> so I don't understand where the problem lies
[20:51] <bytejumper> but I don't will waste Your time anymore
[20:51] <vidd> dosbox doesnt NEED it...but if its there, dosbox will use it
[20:51] <bytejumper> thank You for You help
[20:51] <vidd> does that help any?
[20:52] <bytejumper> yes :)
[20:53] <vidd> and you are NOT wasting my time....
[20:53] <vidd> you have the potential to be one of the helpers here...because you want to understand...not just get the stuff to work =]
[20:54] <bytejumper> I thought apt-get manager is a more robust system against buggy packages
[20:54] <bytejumper> I have installed apt-file
[20:54] <bytejumper> and searched for the path for the missing library
[20:54] <vidd> no...unfortunantly...buggy packages are buggy packages
[20:55] <bytejumper> and I was very confused the missing file was not there
[20:55] <vidd> they will get installed just as well as decent packages
[20:55] <vidd> well....here is the thing.....
[20:56] <vidd> that file is a symbolic link to the actual libpulse.so
[20:56] <vidd> in my case libpulse-simple.0.0.2
[21:27] <artistxe> would anyone know of a mirror for distros . I am looking for Puppy Tmxxine 3.01 Prism
[21:29] <vidd> artistxe, ???
[21:29] <vidd> have you looked on puppy'ssite?
[21:30] <artistxe> yes.
[21:30] <vidd> what exactly is it that your looking for?
[21:31] <artistxe> keeps linking me to tmxxine site which has been down for awhile ( at least for downloads)
[21:31] <vidd> so your looking for puppy linux?
[21:31] <artistxe> the puplet Tmxxine Prism 3.01 iso
[21:31] <vinnl> What is the reason you're asking in #xubuntu and not in, say, #puppy?
[21:31] <vidd> vinnl, probly cuzz we answer? =]
[21:31] <vinnl> Haha :P
[21:31] <artistxe> true that ;)
[21:32] <artistxe> in all honesty , I respect the ppl in this room much more.
[21:33] <vidd> artistxe, so you want a puplet skin for your puppy install?
[21:33] <artistxe> no.
[21:34] <artistxe> is a remastered version of Puppy . Includes Python , Blender , Gimp , Inkscape.
[21:34] <vidd> so you want a puplet FVI
[21:34] <vinnl> artistxe, you might see if there's a torrent at http://linuxtracker.org/index.php?page=torrents
[21:35] <artistxe> vinn1 . good idea . thank you.
[21:36] <artistxe> :(    nope
[21:37] <mib_rh2ecm8t> I know the xubuntu install size is around 1.5GB, can I install it to a 4GB pen drive - I am not looking for a live USB, I'd like a full install please.
[21:37] <vinnl> artistxe, the tmxxine website links to another site that I don't suppose is down
[21:37] <mib_rh2ecm8t> Can anyone help me with this?
[21:37] <vinnl> See the Google cache: http://74.125.77.132/search?q=cache:pgDJkI_rp0QJ:tmxxine.com/Wikka/wikka.php%3Fwakka%3DLinuxTmxxinePrism217+Puppy+Tmxxine+3.01+Prism+mirror&cd=4&hl=en&ct=clnk&client=googlet
[21:38] <vinnl> mib_rh2ecm8t, why do you want a full install?
[21:38] <mib_rh2ecm8t> vinnl: they just work better - I've tried a persistent install and it isn't working.
[21:39] <vinnl> What method did you use?
[21:39] <artistxe> vinn . vs number . very important
[21:39] <vinnl> Ah, sorry
[21:39] <mib_rh2ecm8t> vinnl: http://www.pendrivelinux.com/usb-xubuntu-904-persistent-install-windows/#more-1564
[21:40] <vinnl> mib_rh2ecm8t, you might try using the application included with the Xubuntu LiveCD to do it from there. Wait, I'll link you to a blog post of mine...
[21:40] <mib_rh2ecm8t> vinnl: I had a crunchbang install in this way and it worked pretty good - but there always seems to be driver issues, for example my Broadcom STA driver doesn't work so I have to stay wired for internet
[21:41] <vinnl> mib_rh2ecm8t, here: http://xubuntublog.wordpress.com/2008/11/07/ubuntu-from-your-flash-drive-easier-than-ever-before/
[21:41] <artistxe> and the pages lead me to the same dead links
[21:41] <vinnl> Hmm :S
[21:41] <mib_rh2ecm8t> vinnl: I'll take a look
[21:43] <mib_rh2ecm8t> vinnl: If I try it this way, will all my hardware drivers "stick"? So I can connect to wireless networks?
[21:44] <vinnl> mib_rh2ecm8t, I believe the drivers are supposed to be included. Do you install them afterwards?
[21:45] <mib_rh2ecm8t> vinnl: Yeah, I usually have to enable them, but when I have used the ubuntu create-usb feature - it won't locate the drivers until I have installed the distro, it was the same in CrunchBang.
[21:46] <mib_rh2ecm8t> vinnl: Is it not possible just to install it, like on a hard drive?
[21:46] <vinnl> Ah
[21:46] <vinnl> Well, I suppose it is possible, but not really recommended for the drive
[21:47] <mib_rh2ecm8t> Why not?
[21:47] <mib_rh2ecm8t> too many read/write cycles?
[21:47] <vinnl> Yeah
[21:48] <vinnl> Then again, I've written to mine so often and it still works :)
[21:48] <mib_rh2ecm8t> thought so =(
[21:48] <vinnl> And it leaves less space, I think you'll fill up 4 GB quite quickly
[21:48] <mib_rh2ecm8t> Oh well, I do have a wireless adapter that's pretty small and works in ubuntu+derivatives
[21:49] <mib_rh2ecm8t> I could just try that, with CrunchBang.
[21:50] <mib_rh2ecm8t> I'll try your method; thanks =)
[22:01] <owen1> what audio should i choose? intel (alsa mixer) or realtek (OSS Mixer)
[22:05] <vidd> owen1, i personally recommend the alsa
[22:05] <owen1> ok
[22:06] <vidd> owen1, but your going to want to use whatever works best for you
[22:06] <vidd> =]
[22:08] <owen1> can i remove xubuntu-desktop but keeping xfce?
[22:08] <owen1> (with a single aptitude command)
[22:10] <ochosi> owen1, xubuntu-desktop is only a meta-package
[22:10] <ochosi> owen1, meaning: yes, you can remove it without removing xfce
[22:11] <owen1> ochosi: ok. what do i have in xubuntu-desktop that is missing from xfce?
[22:11] <ochosi> owen1, the only problems that might occur are related to your next upgrade of xubuntu to karmic
[22:11] <owen1> ochosi: what can happpend?
[22:12] <ochosi> owen1, dependency problems. you can easily work around that by installing the xubuntu-desktop package again before upgrading
[22:12] <vinnl> owen1, why do you want to remove xubuntu-desktop?
[22:13] <owen1> ochosi: i though of creating cleaner desktop.
[22:13] <owen1> ochosi: but u'r right. i'll keep it.
[22:13] <ochosi> owen1, the xubuntu-desktop package is a list of the standard set of apps from xubuntu including other stuff
[22:13] <ochosi> owen1, removing it won't make your desktop "cleaner" or "slimmer", unless you decide to remove the packages the meta-package refers to
[22:14] <owen1> ochosi: got it. thanks
[22:14] <ochosi> owen1, if you want to see the list of dependencies of xubuntu-desktop (or any package for that matter), go to synaptic, rightclick the package > properties > dependencies
[22:15] <vinnl> Randomly uninstalling stuff won't make your desktop lighter
[22:15] <vinnl> There are much better ways to make it lighter
[22:16] <owen1> vinnl: yeah, ochosi convinced me not to do it.
[22:17] <vinnl> I'd guide you through making it lighter, but I really need to get to bed now, sorry :)
[22:17] <owen1> vinnl: no worries. thanks
[22:17] <vinnl> :)
[22:17] <vinnl> Bye
[22:18] <lesshaste> how do I take a screenshot in xubuntu?
[22:18] <owen1> u can use scrot
[22:18] <lesshaste> gimp seems to be missing file->acquire and alt prtsc does nothing
[22:18] <lesshaste> how can I get gimp to work?
[22:18] <owen1> just run it from terminal
[22:18] <lesshaste> is it a plugin?
[22:19] <lesshaste> I mean is there a screenshot plugin I need?
[22:19] <owen1> lesshaste: no. package
[22:19] <lesshaste> owen1, what is it?
[22:19] <owen1> lesshaste: sudo aptitude install scrot
[22:19] <lesshaste> I meant for gimp
[22:19] <lesshaste> but thanks
[22:19] <owen1> lesshaste: ahh.don't know
[22:20] <ochosi> lesshaste, what version of the gimp are you using?
[22:20] <lesshaste> 2.6.1
[22:20] <ochosi> lesshaste, and btw: there is no extra plugin. the screenshot function is included
[22:20] <lesshaste> there is no acquire menu under File
[22:20] <ochosi> lesshaste, should be in file > create > screenshot, no?
[22:21] <lesshaste> thanks!
[22:21] <lesshaste> I hate it when things move :)
[22:22] <ochosi> well, i guess they tried to make the menu easier
[22:22] <owen1> when running totem i get: Gtk-Message: failed to load module "canberra-gtk-module". any clue?
[22:23] <ochosi> owen1, does totem work though?
[22:23] <owen1> no. crashes.
[22:23] <ochosi> owen1, hmm. not really a clue, at first thought it might be related to your gtk-theme, but now i'm not so sure about that anymore
[22:30] <owen1> i'll google for it. thank
[23:01] <owen1> i want to remove some entries from the xfce menu but the 'xfce menu' option (it's the first item) is disabled. any ideas?
[23:07] <th0r> owen1: there is not a good menu editor for xfce, but you can change it by editing the .desktop files in /usr/share/...just a sec
[23:08] <owen1> th0r: i used to tweak the menu by choosing the first option on the menu. from some reason it's disabled now.
[23:08] <th0r> owen1: jeez...getting old...have to look things up. /usr/share/applications. If you want to hide an entry just add the line 'NoDisplay=true' to the end of the file. If you want to add an entry just copy one of the existing ones and edit it
[23:08] <owen1> th0r: great. i'll try it.
[23:12] <owen1> what .desktop do i need to edit? i want to tweak the menu.
[23:16] <th0r> owen1: the menu is created on the fly from the .desktop files. What do you want to do?
[23:17] <owen1> th0r: remove those entries: help, Abount Xfce and Log Out.
[23:17] <th0r> owen1: ok....just a sec
[23:17] <owen1> th0r: those are the last 3 entries on the xfce menu
[23:18] <owen1> th0r: i see xfce4-help-desktop. maybe i can delete it?
[23:19] <th0r> owen1: don't delete it....add that line I mentioned to the bottom. That will hide it in case you ever need it.
[23:19] <owen1> th0r: ok.
[23:19] <th0r> owen1: no reboot necessary....it should immediately take effect in the menu
[23:21] <owen1> th0r: i added NoDisplay=true at the end of xfce4-help.desktop but i still see the 'help' entry .
[23:21] <th0r> owen1: did you edit it using sudo...you can't save it as yourself....need root access
[23:22] <th0r> owen1: do 'sudo mousepad <filename.desktop>
[23:22] <owen1> th0r: sudo vim (-:
[23:22] <th0r> owen1: I just hid both help and about that way
[23:22] <th0r> owen1: showoff
[23:22] <owen1> th0r: let me try the about
[23:23] <th0r> owen1: if you look over the contents of a couple of those you will see why they sometimes appear in the menu with different names, and sometimes in two or more submenus
[23:24] <owen1> th0r: it works for the about file.
[23:24] <th0r> owen1: have you ever used 'mc'?
[23:24] <owen1> no. what's that?
[23:25] <th0r> owen1: it is a console file manager. You can invoke it with 'sudo mc' and it is terrific for doing simple editing of several files like you are doing now
[23:25] <owen1> th0r: is it like norton commander ?
[23:25] <th0r> owen1: right...two panes much like nc
[23:25] <th0r> owen1: got the name there...midnight commander
[23:26] <owen1> th0r: interesting. there is also a textbased file manager with vim-like keys.
[23:26] <owen1> th0r: don't remember the name. vimfm or something.
[23:27] <th0r> owen1: well...I always had to struggle with vi so I am glad to find any alternatives <smile>
[23:28] <owen1> th0r: print the vim's key mapping or set it as your background for a month.
[23:28] <th0r> owen1: nano works just as well for simple files when I don't want mc
[23:29] <owen1> th0r: i learend vim and dvorak at the same time. fun!
[23:29] <th0r> owen1: never tried dvorak...but those who use it seem to swear by it
[23:29] <owen1> th0r: what do u think of the help menu? it's still there..
[23:30] <th0r> owen1: mine isn;t....check for a typo
[23:36] <owen1> th0r: nevermind. it's not a big deal.
[23:36] <th0r> owen1: check for a duplicate. Do you have findutils installed?
[23:37] <owen1> th0r: yes
[23:38] <th0r> owen1: locate xfce4-help.desktop
[23:38] <th0r> owen1: I added NoDisplay=true to the bottom of that file and the menu item disappeared.
[23:38] <owen1> th0r: me too but it didn't..
[23:39] <owen1> th0r: nevermind. i have bigger issue. totem crashes with gtk-messege error.
[23:39] <th0r> owen1: dump it for vlc or mplayer
[23:40] <owen1> mplayer works but when i open some files with it i get wierd error messege. (but it plays the file)
[23:40] <th0r> owen1: yeah...that is why my first default is vlc. Some of my files do give mplayer fits
[23:43] <owen1> th0r: i am trying to restore some files from the Trash using thunar and get permission denied.
[23:43] <owen1> th0r: any clue?
[23:43] <th0r> owen1: did you delete them using sudo?
[23:44] <owen1> th0r: no. just drag and drop from thunar.
[23:44] <th0r> owen1: let me take a look at something
[23:46] <owen1> i did it from terminal, but it's weird.
[23:46] <th0r> owen1: ok...~/.local/share/Trash
[23:46] <owen1> yead.
[23:46] <owen1> yeah
[23:46] <th0r> owen1: strange. I haven't tried drag and drop yet....let me give it a go and see....
[23:47] <th0r> nope...works as advertised
[23:47] <owen1> th0r: now it's working. not sure what happened.
[23:52] <owen1> th0r: there is a wm based on openbox. i don't remember the name. something like xlce. have u heard of it?
[23:53] <th0r> owen1: doesn't ring a bell.
[23:54] <owen1> th0r: http://www.lxde.org/
[23:56] <owen1> if anyone tried it and can compare to xubuntu, please share.
[23:58] <Aqa> hello so no solution for me screen resolution problem? any website to report this problem?
[23:58] <owen1> also, if anyone is using xubuntu with awesome, i'll happy to hear about the experience.
[23:58] <Aqa> owen1, u xubuntu programmer?
[23:59] <owen1> Aqa: no. ruby guy.
[23:59] <Aqa> ruby is girls name