[00:03] <girohgir> rakista, is disabled
[00:03] <alexshenoy> anybody having problems with getting strigi to work
[00:03] <girohgir> rakista, 1st time it happened i tried enabling it, then desabling
[00:03] <girohgir> rakista, disabling the onboard nic and reenabling
[00:04] <girohgir> rakista, to no avail
[00:04] <alexshenoy> i found this howto, but it didnt work: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1071376
[00:05] <alexshenoy> i get to the part where i start nepomuk, but it changes the config from sesame2 back to redland
[00:05] <rakista> It has to be saving its bits somewhere when ubuntu shuts down
[00:05] <kaddi> good night everyone :)
[00:06] <girohgir> rakista, yes, i see that when ubuntu is shutting down, but not completely, the nic lights go off
[00:06] <Barridus> alexshenoy, i think stringi is broke atm
[00:06] <girohgir> rakista, they should never go off because the mobo is still energized
[00:06] <Shadoze> g'night kaddy
[00:07] <piyush> I just got a new laptop and install kubuntu jaunty 9.04. It ROCKS
[00:07] <girohgir> rakista, to me it seems a linux driver problem
[00:07] <piyush> plasma is just amazing
[00:07] <rakista> yeah you can try http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/ubuntu-restart-start-stop-networking-service-howto/
[00:07] <girohgir> rakista, if ubuntu "turns off" the nic, it could never use wake on lan
[00:07] <rakista> See what happens stop networking before logging off
[00:08] <girohgir> rakista, stop networking, what you mean?
[00:08] <girohgir> rakista, ifdown?
[00:08] <piyush> I have sorted out most of the problems. One still doesn't go away. I have an Acer Aspire 5738 and Brightness doesn't work
[00:08] <rakista> yeah
[00:08] <girohgir> rakista, already tried
[00:08] <girohgir> let me do it again
[00:09] <girohgir> rakista, yep, nothing happens, the lights are still up
[00:09] <rakista> Yeah Linux has a lot of drivers shame they do not all work
[00:09] <girohgir> on
[00:09] <piyush> I have searched the net and brightneess doesn't seem to work
[00:09] <rakista> Bug report it and enjoy the rest of the weekend
[00:09] <piyush> for a lot of people
[00:11] <piyush> I tried changing it by doing echo "40" >> /proc/acpi/video/brightness
[00:11] <Shadoze> piyush, glad your liking the new kde!
[00:11] <piyush> Shadoze, Thanks mate! It rocks
[00:12] <piyush> I was running <=3.5 for like forever
[00:12] <piyush> heard alot of noise about plasma so installed it on the new laptop
[00:12] <Shadoze> :) it does take a bit of confidence to hop to 4 and learn how to use it
[00:12] <piyush> it just rocks
[00:12] <Shadoze> but it's worth it
[00:12] <piyush> Definitely is
[00:12] <piyush> Hey do you by any chance know this acpi stuff ?
[00:12] <Shadoze> you might be running a odler version of kde ;)
[00:13] <Shadoze> I don't no :( i can take alook though
[00:13] <piyush> I always had a crt monitor and never needed to play with acpi
[00:13] <girohgir> rakista, removing the module make the lights go off
[00:13] <Shadoze> piyush i know this is o/t of what your asking
[00:13] <Shadoze> but can you go to dolphon
[00:13] <piyush> well the "book" suggests I do something like echo "70" > /proc/acpi/video/brightness
[00:13] <girohgir> rakista, inserting it again they light up again
[00:13] <Shadoze> click help > about
[00:13] <Shadoze> *about kde
[00:14] <rakista> Do you have access to other driver verisions ?
[00:14] <rakista> You could see if any of the older drivers work
[00:14] <piyush> Oh okie. Sorry for o/t stuff
[00:15] <rakista> If you have the source you could diff them and submit a bug report if they solve your problem
[00:15] <Shadoze> No no, it's me
[00:15] <Shadoze> just wondering what your kde version is
[00:15] <piyush> 4.2
[00:15] <Shadoze> 4.2.2?
[00:15] <Shadoze> or 4.2.3?
[00:15] <piyush> I am on Kubuntu jaunty
[00:15] <Shadoze> Fresh install?
[00:16] <piyush> 4.2.2
[00:16] <Shadoze> Would you like to upgrade to 4.2.3?
[00:16] <piyush> well I grabbed the cd iso avaiable on kubuntu site
[00:16] <piyush> yeah sure
[00:16] <Shadoze> it got realised not long ago
[00:16] <Shadoze> *released
[00:16] <Shadoze> Ok go to kpackagekit
[00:16] <Shadoze> then click the settings icon
[00:16] <piyush> yeah
[00:17] <Shadoze> edit software sources
[00:17] <wesam> hello all
[00:17] <piyush> okay so you want me to change /etc/apt/sources.lst ?
[00:17] <piyush> okie cool
[00:17] <wesam> can i join your community ??
[00:17] <piyush> yeah done
[00:17] <Shadoze> yes
[00:18] <wesam> iam wesam from cairo
[00:18] <Shadoze> go to 4rd party tab
[00:18] <wesam> iam a new user in kubuntu
[00:18] <Shadoze> *3rd party even
[00:18] <Shadoze> Welcome, wesam!
[00:18] <piyush> yeah :)
[00:18] <girohgir> wesam, make yourself at home, grab a couch
[00:18] <Shadoze> ok
[00:18] <wesam> thank you shadozi
[00:18] <Shadoze> click add software source
[00:18] <wesam> thank you
[00:18] <Shadoze> glad you could be part of the kubuntu - kde family!
[00:18] <monarch> man so many paople
[00:19] <wesam> iam asking about how to install any software
[00:19] <piyush> yeah done
[00:19] <Shadoze> @ piyush, add deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/ppa/ubuntu jaunty main
[00:19] <wesam> like firefox for example
[00:19] <Shadoze> ok wesam, see the k icon in the left hand corner?
[00:19] <wesam> yes i got it
[00:19] <Shadoze> type in kpackagekit   - then click it
[00:19] <piyush> Shadoze, done so far
[00:20] <Shadoze> did it reload the database?
[00:20] <piyush> yes it did
[00:20] <Shadoze> wicked
[00:20] <wesam> i did it
[00:20] <Shadoze> look in bottom right
[00:20] <Shadoze> you should have the updater asking you to do some things ;)
[00:20] <Shadoze> its the cog like icon
[00:20] <Shadoze> @ wesam, you in kpackagekit?
[00:21] <wesam> i got a minu
[00:21] <piyush> Shadoze, Doing update. Thank you so much
[00:21] <wesam> image wiwer
[00:21] <wesam> and software management ...
[00:21] <Shadoze> software management is what you want
[00:21] <girohgir> wesam, you can type what you want
[00:21] <monarch> yo i use mintinstall
[00:21] <monarch> eh!
[00:22] <wesam> ok iam trying now
[00:22] <Shadoze> @ piyush, np i know its not related to your acpi problem, but it keep your system up to date ;)
[00:22] <Shadoze> wicked wesam, when it loads type in firefox
[00:22] <Shadoze> @ monarch congratulations on using the mint installer lol!
[00:22] <Shadoze> hope it smells fresh
[00:23] <monarch> i8ts good
[00:23] <monarch> onli one problem a minro one
[00:23] <piyush> @Shadoze Yeah It's better to keep it updated. I hope it solves the brightness problem but plasma is so sexy that I can strain my eyes a little bit for all the eye candy :)
[00:23] <wesam> so can i ask  about the command line
[00:23] <monarch> wend i installed KVIRC i had the necessetie to run it on the terminal no icon apeared
[00:24] <girohgir> rakista, googled it seems its a buggy driver
[00:24] <wesam> how can i use the command line
[00:24] <monarch> by the way i yave tried to install mint 6 on my laptop but i couldnt get it working sup ?? not compatebel or something ??
[00:24] <Shadoze> @ piyush lol :P I am still trying to get used to the fact that i cant use my desktop to drag n drop folders and everything onto like i could in 3.5
[00:24] <Shadoze> It's proving hard to adapet
[00:25] <Shadoze> I installed mint 5 on a laptop once upon a time
[00:25] <Shadoze> All was cool :D
[00:25] <piyush> Shadoze I never used my desktop so much
[00:25] <monarch> man but it dos not works in here :S
[00:25] <piyush> I liked konqueror's ability to move folders using the right click though
[00:25] <Barridus> does kickoff crap out for anyone else?
[00:25] <monarch> it opens an huge terminal eh!
[00:25] <Shadoze> @ piyush im trying so hard to get used to it, but i just dont like my desktop being a widget
[00:26] <monarch> i have tried everithing but nope not working erm
[00:26] <Shadoze> ow so barridus?
[00:26] <Shadoze> *how
[00:26] <piyush> Is there no way to enable such a feature ?
[00:26] <Barridus> hmm how to explain
[00:26] <monarch> nope
[00:26] <Barridus> occasionally the "K" button in the lower left becomes "dead" and does not repond
[00:26] <monarch> i think not if thats for me
[00:26] <Shadoze> yes it does
[00:27] <Barridus> ok then it's not just me XD
[00:27] <Shadoze> I simply right click it > switch to classic menu > then switch back
[00:27] <Shadoze> then it's fine again
[00:27] <Barridus> yeah me too
[00:27] <Barridus> just making sure it's a known bug i guess
[00:27] <Shadoze> @ piyush, nope its totally reworked
[00:27] <Shadoze> there is a widget called folder view
[00:28] <Shadoze> which performs similarfunctions
[00:28] <Barridus> for what it's worth, i don't think it happens if you use another windows manager than kwin
[00:28] <Shadoze> but i still prefer being able to drag n drop galore without any add ons lol
[00:28] <Shadoze> @ barridus mention that in a report
[00:28] <Shadoze> im 99% it would of been reported though
[00:28] <Shadoze> As quite a few people use the kickoff button ;)
[00:29] <Barridus> yeh
[00:29] <Barridus> i don't know how to report anyways
[00:29] <Shadoze> hop over to #kubuntu-dev and see if any of them know abou tit
[00:29] <Barridus> i can't read or write, i dictate to my cat hence i can "chat"
[00:30] <Shadoze> lol :P
[00:31] <stodge> Any ideas how to fix this: NVRM: not using NVAGP, an AGPGART backend is loaded!
[00:31] <stodge> I've read numerous posts with various suggestions but nothing works
[00:31] <Barridus> Shadoze, nobody it in kubuntu-dev
[00:32] <Barridus> #kubuntu-dev i mean
[00:33] <Shadoze> oh
[00:33] <Shadoze> ;)
[00:33] <Barridus> i have no idea what the hell i am doing XD
[00:34] <Unksi> isnt it #kubuntu-devel?
[00:34] <Shadoze> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2009/05/24/
[00:34] <Shadoze> are all the channels
[00:34] <Shadoze> and yes, your right. my bad
[00:34] <Barridus> lol that's dead too
[00:35] <Unksi> :D
[00:35] <Barridus> i love kde and kubuntu, but man the community support needs a kick in the keester
[00:35] <Shadoze> quite a few devs dont use irc
[00:36] <Barridus> well i have no idea how to report this or see if it's been reported
[00:38] <Shadoze> barridus
[00:38] <Shadoze> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Bugs/Reporting
[00:48] <Barridus> i'm sure the bug is reported but i can't find it
[00:53] <Patrique> hi i'm trying to install fuppes and i think i have all the dependencies but when i run autoreconf - vfi i get this error: possibly undefined macro: AC_LIB_RPATH, AC_LIB_LINKFLAGS_BODY, AC_LIB_APPENDTOVAR what should i do?
[00:58] <wesam> am asking about can i install kubuntu beside windows vista ??
[00:59] <wesam> i have 2 partitions
[00:59] <wesam> can i use 1 for windows and the other for linux?
[01:02] <HaRDi437> Yes ypu can :)
[01:03] <wesam> a frind told me that it will crach my vista
[01:03] <wesam> iam use thee kubuntu throw vmware
[01:05] <HaRDi437> and were your friend get that?
[01:07] <wesam> he tried befor
[01:07] <wesam> he told me that the boot drive changed to the linx
[01:07] <wesam> and windows can not boot
[01:08] <HaRDi437> that not true
[01:08] <wesam> thats nice
[01:08] <wesam> so i can backup my windows and install linux
[01:09] <wesam> i like it
[01:09] <wesam> but iam still a new user
[01:09] <wesam> i think it will take some time to used to linux
[01:10] <HaRDi437> welcome  to the community :)
[01:10] <wesam> thank you
[01:11] <wesam> i feel thats iam in a wonderful community
[01:11] <Unksi> wesam: yeah it takes time to get used to it, but its worth it and will teach a lot :)
[01:11] <wesam> huh
[01:11] <HaRDi437> every change need time...
[01:11] <wesam> lol
[01:11] <wesam> yes
[01:11] <Unksi> yep
[01:12] <wesam> but i like the idea when u help someone
[01:12] <wesam> and u help others
[01:12] <Unksi> yeah thats something really great here^
[01:12] <HaRDi437> :D
[01:12] <Unksi> and no need to be guru to do that
[01:13] <wesam> so aim asking if i can use a virtual machine in kubuntu
[01:13] <Unksi> yes you can
[01:13] <wesam> to install a windows
[01:13] <wesam> vmware right?
[01:13] <Unksi> i run windows xp inside kubuntu with virtualbox sometimes
[01:13] <Unksi> vmware works too
[01:13] <wesam> wonderful
[01:13] <Unksi> virtualbox is easier to use and install though
[01:14] <wesam> how can i got the virtual box
[01:14] <wesam> ?
[01:14] <Unksi> just do sudo apt-get install virtualbox-ose
[01:14] <Unksi> or use your preferred package manager
[01:14] <Barridus> or you can install the proprietary virtualbox from sun
[01:14] <wesam> iam trying right now
[01:14] <Unksi> yep, i do that as it has usb support
[01:15] <Barridus> it has usb storage support, ose version does not
[01:16] <Barridus> you will need a windows intaller cd XD
[01:17] <HaRDi437> xD
[01:17] <wesam> i heard alot about linux stability
[01:17] <wesam> iam gonna use it for that
[01:18] <wesam> i getboored of windows failuer
[01:18] <wesam> and viruses
[01:18] <HaRDi437> and worms...
[01:18] <wesam> yes
[01:20] <wesam> iam asking how can i connect to another pc like remotdescktop
[01:21] <wesam> anotherthing guys
[01:21] <wesam> how can i install application from my root or home folder
[01:22] <Unksi> hmm, kde might have something for remote desktop, not sure though as havent had a need for it
[01:22] <wesam> and wich extentions works
[01:23] <Unksi> installing depends on the type of installer
[01:24] <Unksi> whats the file extension?
[01:27] <wesam> tar.jz
[01:27] <HaRDi437> for the remote desktop, you can use the KDE remote desktop client
[01:27] <wesam> i got it
[01:27] <Unksi> then you need to extract it, and follow instrucctions inside
[01:27] <wesam> from the applications
[01:28] <wesam> he tells that i go to root and type a command but i dont know how can i go to the root from the terminal
[01:28] <Unksi> if its graphics drivers you are installing, you should use the ones in repositories unless theres problems with them
[01:29] <rakista> sudo -s will make you root in ubuntu
[01:29] <showho> hi
[01:29] <Unksi> hi showho
[01:29] <showho> has anyone tried to get into xinit with out a window manager ?
[01:30] <showho> kubuntu 9.4
[01:32] <showho> a screw it
[01:36] <wesam> so i faild to install the application
[01:36] <Unksi> with what error?
[01:37] <wesam> i wanna install vmware tools
[01:37] <wesam> i exctracked the files in my home folder
[01:38] <Unksi> ok, you will need to install build-essential first
[01:38] <Unksi> and it might need a kernel patch as well (not sure if it needs still, it used to do so a good while ago)
[01:38] <wesam> i opend the terminal and i types sudo -s
[01:39] <wesam> how can i got the dir for my files throw terminal
[01:40] <Unksi> you mean change directory? cd where_you_want_to_go
[01:40] <wesam> and what the    ~#
[01:40] <wesam> means?
[01:41] <Unksi> ~ means your home directory, and # means you are logged in as root
[01:41] <Unksi> if you are logged in as normal user you have $ instead of #
[01:41] <wesam> yes
[01:42] <wesam> i see
[01:42] <wesam> and what can i do for now
[01:42] <wesam> after i logged on as root
[01:42] <Unksi> you can do just about anything without restrictions, so be careful not to break something
[01:43] <keven> allo
[01:43] <Unksi> hi
[01:43] <wesam> yes
[01:43] <keven> salut
[01:43] <keven> sa va
[01:43] <wesam> i hope i did not :)
[01:43] <Unksi> its recommended to use root only when necessary because of that
[01:43] <Unksi> and to be really careful with it
[01:43] <Dragnslcr> It's recommended to never be logged in as root at all
[01:44] <Dragnslcr> That's what sudo is for
[01:44] <wesam> i am still cant access my files in my home directory throw the terminal
[01:44] <Unksi> depends, i prefer to log in as root and log out when its not needed.. makes it a lot faster when you dont need to put sudo in front of everything
[01:45] <HaRDi437> there is not a .deb file for vmware?
[01:46] <wesam> i will see
[01:46] <Unksi> no idea, there wasnt last summer at least
[01:46] <wesam> just a sec
[01:46] <HaRDi437> if not
[01:46] <wesam> .rpm
[01:46] <wesam> and tar.jz
[01:46] <Unksi> you can try creating .deb with alien from the .rpm if you want, but its not guaranteed to work
[01:46] <HaRDi437> you may download the .deb from www.virtualbox.org
[01:47] <Unksi> off to sleep, good luck with the installation^
[01:48] <wesam> thats means its the extintions i iwll use for linux
[01:48] <HaRDi437> gn8 :)
[01:48] <wesam> thank you very much
[01:48] <HaRDi437> yes
[01:48] <justin_> hey stfu
[01:48] <wesam> i hope to see u soon
[01:48] <justin_> JK
[01:48] <justin_> aharrrr
[01:53] <HaRDi437> ping wesam...
[02:05] <barreto> não com sigo ver vidio na enterneto
[02:06] <Shadoze> @ barreto, #kubuntu-es
[02:06] <Droosnoo> hello all
[02:06] <Shadoze> Good Morning
[02:06] <Droosnoo> juste a question (new to KDE)
[02:06] <barreto> no saite do  saite onhar dizital
[02:07] <Droosnoo> I'm trying to install thunderbird
[02:07] <barreto> com faso
[02:07] <Droosnoo> I downloaded it directly on website (tar)
[02:07] <Droosnoo> and now I got the compressed tar.. what to do next?
[02:07] <barreto> eu não sei
[02:08] <barreto> eu sou meio burro niso
[02:08] <Pici> !br | barreto
[02:08] <HaRDi437> why not use the kpacktage manager?
[02:09] <Droosnoo> hum is it like synaptic (under gnome)?
[02:09] <HaRDi437> yes!
[02:09] <Droosnoo> ok I see
[02:10] <Droosnoo> thx... otherwise, i must unpack the tar , a,d execute a script to install the program....
[02:10] <Droosnoo> ok ok ill try that later, il use kpac... for ,now
[02:10] <Droosnoo> thx
[02:10] <HaRDi437> or in the way of the konsol: sudo apt-get install thundrebird...
[02:10] <barreto> vou vouta pro vista
[02:12] <barreto> não sei
[02:12] <Pici> barreto: This channel is english only.
[02:12] <barreto>  usa o kubuu
[02:13] <barreto> sou brasileiro
[02:13] <Pici> !br
[02:13] <Pici> /join #ubuntu-br
[02:13] <barreto> como
[02:13] <barreto> qual e o linque
[02:14] <barreto> www.barretoreformas.com
[02:15] <barreto> ies
[02:15] <barreto> valeu fui
[02:23] <darkham> hi, i've ubuntu jaunty and i would try amarok 2.1beta2, ho can i do?
[02:24] <Shadoze> darkham
[02:24] <Shadoze> Please could you get kpackagekit up
[02:27] <darkham> kpackagekit?
[02:33] <darkham> i run kpackagekit , but i can't upgrade/install amarok2.1beta2...
[02:34] <rakista> you need to add the site that has it your source list
[02:39] <darkham> can i put some karmic repos to install amarok2.1beta2?
[02:56] <derfens> Hey guys I want to delete files in a specific partition that are above a certain size. To do so I used the search function and made it look for files larger than a certain size. However I cannot delete the files be selecting them in the search box and pressing Shift + Delete. They simply go to the recycling bin. I dont want that to happen (will they be moved from the original partition to the home or root partition when they are moved to the trash?). How c
[02:56] <derfens> an I delete them directly from the search window? Thanks
[03:04] <MushroomKingdom> Hey Kubuntu, I'd like to install a Vista partition to my HD because I cant seem to use Virtual OS stuff. Anyway, I want to make sure I don't fudge something up. Do I need to use a partition making software and will Vista work with GRUB?
[03:05] <Regral> does anyone know how to unlock all owner folders im having trouble
[03:09] <xjjk> MushroomKingdom: don't know what you want out of partitioning, but yes Vista works fine with grub
[03:11] <HaRDi437> derfens: shift+del worked fine for me! (delete not trash)
[03:11] <MushroomKingdom> xjjk: I want to make a partition for Vista, can I do this without software? Like can I just toss in my vista disk and go?
[03:11] <derfens> HaRDi437, while you were looking at search results? (in that same windows, shift + delete worked?
[03:11] <xjjk> MushroomKingdom: Vista will probably make you reformat the entire disk
[03:12] <xjjk> MushroomKingdom: though, I'm not sure on that
[03:12] <xjjk> MushroomKingdom: what you could do, is boot with a LiveCD
[03:12] <MushroomKingdom> xjjk: Ok, how do I make it so that it just stays in it's own little corner like it should
[03:12] <xjjk> resize partitions under Linux
[03:12] <MushroomKingdom> LiveCD?
[03:12] <xjjk> making space for Vista
[03:12] <MushroomKingdom> Ok
[03:12] <xjjk> then install Vista to the newly made space
[03:13] <xjjk> MushroomKingdom: Vista can install to it's own partitions fine, but I don't think the installer will resize anything for you
[03:13] <MushroomKingdom> Ok, so install LiveCD and partition?
[03:13] <xjjk> yeah
[03:13] <HaRDi437> yes derfens
[03:13] <MushroomKingdom> That in the repositories?
[03:13] <xjjk> MushroomKingdom: er, is what
[03:14] <derfens> hmm maybe ill try again. im on 9.04. you?
[03:14] <HaRDi437> same :)
[03:14] <MushroomKingdom> xjjk: LiveCd
[03:14] <xjjk> MushroomKingdom: it's a version of Linux that can run off of a CD
[03:14] <xjjk> Ubuntu and Kubuntu both have them
[03:15] <xjjk> see ubuntu.com and kubuntu.com
[03:15] <xjjk> MushroomKingdom: how did you get Kubuntu installed on your machine?
[03:15] <HaRDi437> derfens: and the right click worked too :D
[03:15] <MushroomKingdom> Oh, I just installed it through a disk
[03:15] <MushroomKingdom> :/ But I don't want to reinstall Kubuntu
[03:16] <derfens> HaRDi437,  when I right click I only get the option to move to trash, not to delete..
[03:16] <xjjk> MushroomKingdom: you don't need to reinstall
[03:17] <MushroomKingdom> Ok, so how do I LiveCD for vista?
[03:17] <xjjk> MushroomKingdom: judging from the questions you're asking, what I said may not be the best thing to do
[03:17] <xjjk> if you're not careful you can easily mess up your system
[03:17] <MushroomKingdom> Yeah that's why I'm on here asking.
[03:18] <MushroomKingdom> worst comes to worst I install vista then reinstall Kubuntu
[03:18] <MushroomKingdom> :( which I don't want to do
[03:18] <xjjk> MushroomKingdom: make sure you backup everything before doing anything
[03:19] <asif> im goin back to windows guys
[03:19] <rakista> You should be backing up automatically like a sane person or have RAID
[03:19] <asif> had enough of ubuntu
[03:19] <HaRDi437> derfens :( i tried again and i have the delete option...
[03:19] <xjjk> rakista: RAID is *not* backup
[03:19] <rakista> ciao asif
[03:19] <xjjk> I've learned that the hard way
[03:19] <MushroomKingdom> I have everything backed up at all times
[03:19] <rakista> RAID 5 is
[03:19] <xjjk> rakista: *especially* RAID5
[03:19] <asif> cant be a55ed with sortin out my cpu overheating problem
[03:20] <asif> oh well
[03:20] <xjjk> asif: are you blaming Linux for bad hardware?
[03:20] <asif> easy mate
[03:20] <asif> u say it like as if u own linux or something
[03:20] <rakista> Have never heard of 2 disks failing at the same time in a RAID 5 array
[03:20] <asif> i just cant be bothered with sorting out the issue
[03:20] <xjjk> MushroomKingdom: download a Ubuntu or Kubuntu "Desktop" LiveCD from ubuntu.com or kubuntu.com
[03:21] <asif> need something that works and ive been searching on forums all day long
[03:21] <MushroomKingdom> Why do I need another Kubuntu?
[03:21] <asif> and no go
[03:21] <xjjk> MushroomKingdom: well, the issue here is that you need to resize partitions
[03:21] <xjjk> from a system that's currently running
[03:21] <Regral> I trying to unlock folder options but inable to because I don't know how to access root
[03:21] <rakista> That is not to say that some fancy NAS would be nice but RAID 5 is good enough for me
[03:21] <xjjk> you can actually do this with Linux with something called LVM (Linux Volume Management), but you probably don't have that setup
[03:22] <xjjk> asif: what's wrong?
[03:22] <asif> got my 291 exam in like 2 weeks and need to be able to use a browser as ive tried opera, firefox and konqueror
[03:22] <asif> they all make my cpu rocket
[03:22] <rakista> ASIF have you tried Linux Mint ?
[03:22] <asif> and lappy turns off
[03:22] <rakista> or mint linux ?
[03:22] <asif> no cant say i have
[03:22] <xjjk> asif: that's interesting...
[03:22] <asif> im used to ubuntu
[03:22] <asif> and i wanna stick with it
[03:22] <asif> but like i said ive got my 291 exam in 2 weeks
[03:23] <xjjk> rakista: a different distribution of Linux is not going to solve hardware problems
[03:23] <rakista> It is based on Ubuntu with a bit more drivers
[03:23] <asif> and need to be able to access my elearning content online
[03:23] <xjjk> asif: it seems as if you have a hardware issue there
[03:23] <xjjk> the computer shouldn't let itself overheat
[03:23] <MushroomKingdom> Ok, so the LiveCD will allow me to partition my current Kubuntu allowing me to toss Vista's sorry ass back onto my HD?
[03:23] <xjjk> MushroomKingdom: yes
[03:23] <rakista> Depends on the CPU drivers
[03:23] <MushroomKingdom> Kay.
[03:23] <xjjk> MushroomKingdom: the LiveCD lets you do lots of things, including reinstall Kubuntu (which you're not doing), browse the web, play solitaire, etc
[03:23] <xjjk> and partition your disk
[03:23] <asif> yeh well unless anyone can provide me with some help im about to whack windows 7 on here just so i can et my work done
[03:24] <xjjk> rakista: CPUs don't really have drivers...
[03:24] <xjjk> asif: your hardware has issues
[03:24] <xjjk> asif: no one can really fix that
[03:24] <asif> well it works fine in windows
[03:24] <xjjk> asif: if you're on a laptop, permanently throttle your processor down
[03:24] <MushroomKingdom> Ok.
[03:24] <asif> had media centre edition on here before
[03:24] <xjjk> so that it runs so slow it doesn't overheat
[03:24] <xjjk> asif: that's probably luck
[03:24] <rakista> Well the kernel
[03:24] <asif> luck
[03:25] <asif> whats luck goto do with it
[03:25] <asif> no offense
[03:25] <xjjk> asif: bad hardware is bad hardware...
[03:25] <asif> got to*
[03:25] <xjjk> asif: your computer shouldn't overheat regardless the OS
[03:25] <xjjk> asif: regardless, install what you need to get your stuff done
[03:25] <rakista> But if your CPU is overheating in Linux and not in Windows the _HALT instruction is not being called or whatever its equivleent is in hardware
[03:25] <xjjk> apparently you've other priorities
[03:25] <asif> u sound like an ex girlfrien xjjk
[03:25] <asif> lol
[03:26] <rakista> This does happen on certain setups
[03:26] <xjjk> rakista: Linux has had that for a decade
[03:26] <xjjk> the HALT instruction, that is
[03:26] <asif> thanks for all your help guys
[03:26] <asif> i think ill dual boot
[03:26] <xjjk> asif: if you find out the reason for overheating, try Linux again
[03:26] <asif> i will try it again
[03:26] <asif> i prefer it to windows
[03:26] <asif> i use it all day at work
[03:26] <MushroomKingdom> I cant find this LiveCD, can I just run my own CD?
[03:27] <asif> which is why i prefer ubuntu
[03:27] <xjjk> MushroomKingdom: what CD do you have
[03:27] <xjjk> MushroomKingdom: the desktop install disc?
[03:27] <rakista> Well here is the answer for AMD http://kerneltrap.org/node/2894
[03:28] <xjjk> rakista: that information is from 2004
[03:28] <MushroomKingdom> xjjk:yes
[03:28] <rakista> Yeah so, check the kernel for it
[03:28] <asif> toshiba p100-429 is the laptop
[03:28] <asif> anyone come across same issues
[03:28] <asif> ?
[03:28] <MushroomKingdom> xjjk: Though I just found the 64bit version so I might reinstall.
[03:28] <cjae> Hi does anyone know how  to  make openoffice play an mp3 on loop during a presentation (IMPRESS)?
[03:28] <xjjk> MushroomKingdom: OK
[03:28] <xjjk> MushroomKingdom: er, you're running the 32-bit version now, and think you want the 64-bit version?
[03:29] <rakista> Does your bios allow you to turn on Cool n Quiet asif ?
[03:29] <asif> yup
[03:29] <asif> ive got it set to performance cooling
[03:29] <rakista> I would fiddle with that a bit
[03:29] <MushroomKingdom> I know I want the 64 bit. I use a 64bit AMD laptop and it runs like shit in 32
[03:29] <asif> the only other option i have is silent which i dnt want as it will shut down a whole lot faster as fas wont be running as often
[03:30] <xjjk> MushroomKingdom: there are a *lot* of issues with 64-bit Linux for most people
[03:30] <rakista> Can you just turn it off ?
[03:30] <xjjk> MushroomKingdom: that said, it's noticably faster
[03:30] <asif> nah
[03:30] <MushroomKingdom> I'm having a lot of problems with 32 bit, as I did with Vista
[03:30] <asif> why would i want to turn off coolung
[03:30] <asif> cooling*
[03:31] <xjjk> asif: http://forums.computers.toshiba-europe.com/forums/thread.jspa?threadID=30006
[03:31] <xjjk> apparently the same happens with Windows
[03:31] <rakista> Turn off cool and queit
[03:31] <xjjk> asif: I'll say again, you're probably just lucky
[03:31] <rakista> That way the fan should run all the time
[03:31] <xjjk> rakista: mmm, that's not right...
[03:31] <MushroomKingdom> Wait. If I downloaded the AMD64 desktop version origionally would that mean I'm running 64bit, or could I be in 32?
[03:32] <xjjk> Cool n Quiet has *nothing* to do with the fans
[03:32] <asif> bios issue eh
[03:32] <asif> ok
[03:32] <xjjk> asif: yeah
[03:32] <xjjk> asif: maybe try playing with the BIOSes
[03:32] <xjjk> to see there is one that doesn't cause your system to overheat
[03:32] <asif> yeh
[03:32] <asif> its got the same BIOS since i bough it
[03:32] <asif> bought it
[03:32] <asif> ill try an update
[03:32] <asif> see what happens
[03:32] <xjjk> asif: so, it's an issue outside of Linux.. the only thing you can really do is permanently throttle the processor down in software
[03:32] <rakista> yes it does
[03:33] <rakista> Cool part is halt instructions and Queit part is fan control
[03:33] <xjjk> rakista: Cool'n'Quet is the AMD trademark for speed-step functionality on their CPUs
[03:33] <xjjk> it changes processor frequency
[03:33] <rakista> It controls fans too
[03:33] <xjjk> no, that's separate
[03:33] <xjjk> that's usually some other motherboard logic
[03:33] <tomsdale> audacious causes kwin to use 50% CPU even when stopped - does anyone have a tip how to get rid of this - it's very tiring.
[03:34] <xjjk> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cool'n'Quiet
[03:34] <rakista> http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/ComputingSolutions/0,,30_288_13265_13295%5E13339,00.html
[03:34] <rakista> Variable Fan Speed
[03:34] <rakista> if you turn it off the fan should run 100%
[03:34] <MushroomKingdom> xjjk:  If I downloaded the AMD64 desktop version origionally would that mean I'm running 64bit, or could I be in 32?
[03:35] <xjjk> MushroomKingdom: er, sorry
[03:35] <xjjk> MushroomKingdom: you may be using 64-bit already
[03:35] <xjjk> MushroomKingdom: open a terminal, and run uname -a
[03:35] <xjjk> rakista: you can do more reading on it...
[03:35] <xjjk> I know what it is
[03:36] <xjjk> and in asif's case, will probably make his CPU overheat more quickly
[03:36] <xjjk> by disabling it
[03:36] <MushroomKingdom> xjjk: Linux Katana 2.6.28-11-generic #42-Ubuntu SMP Fri Apr 17 01:58:03 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[03:36] <xjjk> MushroomKingdom: apparently you've the 64-bit version already
[03:36] <xjjk> see the second to last word, x86_64
[03:36] <MushroomKingdom> Ah, ok.
[03:36] <MushroomKingdom> Yeah
[03:36] <MushroomKingdom> Ok, so my install disk should have liveCD
[03:36] <MushroomKingdom> I hope
[03:37] <xjjk> MushroomKingdom: does your install disc load up a GUI environment?
[03:37] <MushroomKingdom> xjjk: A what?
[03:37] <xjjk> MushroomKingdom: can you use the mouse
[03:37] <xjjk> and is it a GUI
[03:37] <MushroomKingdom> If I reboot it allows me to test Kubuntu
[03:37] <xjjk> MushroomKingdom: alright, it's a LiveCED
[03:37] <xjjk> LiveCD*
[03:38] <xjjk> MushroomKingdom: FYI, that's called the "LiveCD" or "desktop install disc"
[03:38] <MushroomKingdom> Ah
[03:38] <MushroomKingdom> xjjk: So I have to reboot to repartition?
[03:38] <xjjk> MushroomKingdom: yes
[03:38] <xjjk> MushroomKingdom: you should do some reading on this...
[03:38] <Barridus> anybody that's good with cron have a moment to help me troubleshoot my overnight script that seems to run but nothing is backed up?
[03:39] <MushroomKingdom> Eh. If I fuck up I just have to reinstall something.
[03:39] <genii> !language
[03:39] <MushroomKingdom> pardon me
[03:39] <xjjk> MushroomKingdom: when you reboot into the LiveCD, you'll need to look for a partition management application
[03:40] <xjjk> I think it's called Partition Editor?
[03:40] <xjjk> MushroomKingdom: I rarely do this, so I can't recall what everthing is called exactly
[03:40] <xjjk> MushroomKingdom: if you can't find it in the menus, open a terminal and run sudo partitionmanager
[03:40] <MushroomKingdom> Ah, ok. I'll take a look around
[04:04] <bart_> guys whats the command for installing all the restricted extras
[04:04] <prefrontal> bart_, i typed your question into google and got an answer in the first result
[04:05] <bart_> well since you already have it maybe you could share it
[04:05] <phoole> hello all
[04:06] <prefrontal> i have another idea! you could highlight your question and paste it into google like i did
[04:06] <xjjk> prefrontal: seriously, you've wasted more time typing those sentences out
[04:06] <xjjk> and you've said nothing useful
[04:07] <prefrontal> and what do you have to say to yourself xjjk?
[04:07] <xjjk> prefrontal: just ranting
[04:07] <prefrontal> as was I.
[04:07] <xjjk> fair enough
[04:07] <xjjk> if you don't anything nice to say, don't say anything
[04:07] <xjjk> prefrontal: this was bothering me yesterday
[04:07] <xjjk> I wanted to lookup the compatibility for a WiFi adaptor
[04:08] <prefrontal> you have to read into my first reply to see anything not nice about it
[04:08] <xjjk> all I kept finding were forum posts
[04:08] <prefrontal> seriously, he should have asked google. it was in the result snippet.
[04:08] <xjjk> and the reply was, "search the forum"
[04:08] <xjjk> exceptl, when I searched the forum
[04:08] <xjjk> I kept getting similar threads
[04:08] <prefrontal> people don't know how to use google. irc is not a good replacement for that.
[04:08] <xjjk> where people just said "search the forum"
[04:08] <xjjk> install of the actual answer
[04:08] <xjjk> *none* of which has to do with whether you know how to use google or not
[04:09] <xjjk> replying "use a search engine" is just spam
[04:09] <prefrontal> i'm just not agreeing with you sorry. as someone who is quite good at using google i see no issue with showing someone else how to adapt what they've already written into a search query
[04:09] <prefrontal> if that offends them then they don't belong here
[04:09] <prefrontal> this case is entirely different than your case.
[04:10] <prefrontal> they didn't give you the proper query.
[04:10] <xjjk> well, it doesn't matter
[04:10] <xjjk> it's best to say nothing
[04:10] <xjjk> he'll figure out how to use a search engine himself
[04:10] <prefrontal> thats not how reinforcement learning works.
[04:11] <prefrontal> if he comes in here and asks a question that google provides an answer to in the result snippet of the first result and nobody ever points that out to him then he will never learn.
[04:11] <Gamarok__> hey guys
[04:11] <xjjk> prefrontal: here's the problem with that... you likely didn't teach him anything at all
[04:12] <prefrontal> not only did I show him how to use google to find an answer to his question, i answered his question directly in doing so.
[04:12] <xjjk> and since you didn't provide an answer, you yourself didn't provide anything useful either
[04:12] <prefrontal> he is using the solution i gave him to upgrade his computer right now.
[04:12] <prefrontal> go away.
[04:12] <xjjk> yeh yeh
[04:13] <Gamarok__> hey jonie , bart_
[04:14] <Jonie> Gamarok__:  :)
[04:15] <MushroomKingdom> Uh.. So I couldn't find anything to make a partition on the liveCD
[04:16] <bart_> people here are rude i wanted to know how i can intall the restricted extras and some guy try lecturing me instead
[04:16] <Gamarok__> bart_: in a terminal type  sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras
[04:16] <xjjk> MushroomKingdom: mmm
[04:16] <bart_> gee thanks man
[04:16] <prefrontal> bart_, lets be very clear about what happened: you asked a question and i told you that if you entered the question into google the answer would be in the snippet of the first result.
[04:16] <xjjk> MushroomKingdom: did you try running sudo partitionmanager in a terminal
[04:17] <xjjk> when the LiveCD started?
[04:17] <prefrontal> there is nothing rude about that.
[04:17] <MushroomKingdom> Could I try it right now?
[04:18] <xjjk> MushroomKingdom: sure, but you won't be able to really use it...
[04:18] <xjjk> MushroomKingdom: I'm assuming you're using the partition you want to resize
[04:18] <xjjk> you can't really do that
[04:18] <MushroomKingdom> Ah, yeah of course.
[04:18] <xjjk> if you think you'll do that kind of thing often, you may want to setup LVM
[04:18] <xjjk> which lets you
[04:19] <genii> prefrontal: People tend to want the pre-digested synopsis of the google result.
[04:19] <genii> (sad but true)
[04:20] <MushroomKingdom> Ok, if I install this from the repositories can I use it from my LiveCD or do I have to install it within the LiveCD?
[04:21] <xjjk> MushroomKingdom: short answer, you have to install it within the LiveCD (which you can do easily)
[04:21] <MushroomKingdom> Ah, kay. Thanks
[04:21] <genii> MushroomKingdom: You can install any apps to a livecd which you could also install to a regular system... up to RAM size.
[04:22] <MushroomKingdom> Ooo. Ok
[04:23] <long> ping localhost
[04:24] <long> whoami
[04:24] <genii> long: Those shell commands are not valid for IRC
[04:41] <nanolion> Anyone there?
[04:41] <genii> Yup.
[04:41] <nanolion> hello
[04:42] <genii> nanolion: Hello. If you have some support question, best to just openly state the problem for the channel, and see if any takers.
[04:42] <nanolion> ok
[04:43] <nanolion> one problem, no one's question are showing up
[04:50] <genii> nanolion: It's just quiet right now.
[04:51]  * Level15 looks around...
[04:51]  * Level15 thinks everybody is sleeping
[04:52]  * genii feeds Level15 more coffee
[04:52]  * Level15 drinks genii's coffe avidly and thanks him while asking for some more
[04:53] <genii> I'll brew an urn of it, help yourself  :)
[04:53] <Level15> lol, great
[04:53] <nanolion> genii,Level15, so how long have you's been using Ubuntu(linux)?
[04:54] <genii> nanolion:  Late 2004
[04:54] <Level15> 2 years now... before that I was a devoted slackware fan...
[04:54] <nanolion> genii, long time then
[04:55] <Level15> how abt you?
[04:55] <genii> nanolion: Relatively, yes. Before that I used for Linux the RedHat distribution.
[04:56] <Level15> genii: how did u like RH? I personally didn't have such a great experience with it
[04:56] <nanolion> Level15, i always knew it was out there, but was just a bit wary about it til a few weeks ago, just got tired of windows
[04:57] <Level15> nanolion: well, then. Welcome.
[04:57] <genii> Level15: 5.2, 6.3, 7.2, and 9.2 weren't bad, with Enlightenment desktop. After that I stopped using it.
[04:58] <nanolion> genii,Level15, what made you's become linux users?
[04:58] <nanolion> thanks
[04:59] <genii> Since it's currently quiet otherwise in here a bit of chit-chat is OK. But if some support questions come in the other talk should go to #kubuntu-offtopic
[04:59] <genii> nanolion: I've always been interested in all operating systems.
[05:00] <Level15> nanolion: good friend's advice, initially. At first it was hard on me, but things were harder to get working back then. THen I just got used to it and now when I am forced to work on windows i feel kind of frustrated
[05:00] <nanolion> how long did it take both of you to get used to linux
[05:01] <Level15> nanolion: dont' recall exactly... some 6 months, i think
[05:01] <nanolion> level15, thats not so bad
[05:02] <genii> About the same here, perhaps longer. There is of course much adjustment if you come from a predominantly Windows/DOS type background. In any linux you must come to embrace the command-line which is not always easy
[05:02] <Level15> maybe I got it wrong, perhaps it was more, too
[05:03] <nanolion> so if you really want to take advantage of what ubuntu, you would have to know the ins and outs of the command-line?
[05:04] <Level15> nanolion: well, IMHO, that depends... what do you expect your computer to allow you to do? what are your needs?
[05:04] <genii> The appeal of linux is it's potential power. It's like a car. You can just drive the car back and forth,get it serviced regularly, etc and then eventually buy a new one (WIndows). Or you can weld the pieces together for the frame, assemble an engine from parts, put it all together and it behaves just as you designed to (Linux)
[05:06] <genii> In the first car example you don't need to know how things work. If the car was Windows it would not come with instructions of how the insides work. It would just tell you something like "Consult the Dealer"
[05:06] <nanolion> have any of you made any so to speak software?
[05:07] <nanolion> for the commuinity i mean
[05:07] <genii> nanolion: Yes.
[05:07] <nanolion> cool, you must be very good at it then
[05:09] <genii> nanolion: There are many others who understand better than me how things work and could probably do a much better job. But I enjoy experimenting, etc and don't mind reading books/manuals which helps.
[05:09] <nanolion> im good at computers and electronics but would love to know, at some stage, how to give back to the commuinity
[05:10] <nanolion> i wouldn't mind either(reading books) but have you ever made something and then crash?
[05:10] <genii> nanolion: Hehe, yes. This is a constant thing of wondering "why the heck doesn't it work?"
[05:11] <genii> Then re-working, asking others to review and so on
[05:12] <nanolion> i say you must get very frustated at time's and feel like throwing your system across the room
[05:12] <nanolion> ;-)
[05:12] <genii> nanolion: I have actually thrown computers out of my window before, yes.
[05:12] <Gamarok__> is that the coffee talking genii
[05:12] <nanolion> so did i a few days ago
[05:12] <genii> But the harder something is to do, the more accomplishment you feel when it is over.
[05:13] <genii> Gamarok__: I haven't tossed any out lately :)
[05:13] <nanolion> mmm, your right
[05:13] <nanolion> ;-)
[05:14] <nanolion> i have or had a problem, i wont know til i shutdown
[05:14] <nanolion> its driving me mental/up the wall
[05:15] <nanolion> unlike windows(cause it doesn't have any walls)
[05:15] <nanolion> lol
[05:15] <genii> nanolion: Can you give a more detailed explanation of the problem?
[05:15] <genii> After all, this IS a support channel...
[05:19] <genii-2> My other IRC client is having issues. Apologies.
[05:20]  * genii-around sips
[05:24] <genii-around> My other client appears working again.
[05:27] <nanolion> right, last week i had windows, then i decided to have ago of linux, so installed Ubuntu, after 3 days installed mint 7 for multi-media and 2-3 days ago i went to turn on my system and chose ubuntu to use at the duel boot screen, the Ubuntu load screen came up,it fully loaded and then froze,so loaded mint and that did the same, then went to windows and that did the same, so have been trying for 3 days to get a
[05:27] <nanolion> working linux back on my system and every time i installed one i would explore it go to shutdown after iv'e had enough, then when i want to go use it again that would do the same as the others did?
[05:27] <nanolion> sorry its so long
[05:29] <genii> It sounds suspiciously like a hardware issue, hard disk in particular. Have you booted to a livecd and tried to check the disk with fsck ?
[05:29] <genii> (or at least the Linux partitions)
[05:30] <sithlord48> ello all
[05:30]  * genii hands sithlord48 a coffee
[05:30] <nanolion> yeah my hdd broke so had to get a new today, and checked the disk before i installed
[05:30] <tomsdale> is there an audioplayer like audacious (winamp style) which however WORKS!
[05:30] <sithlord48> genii, thanks just about that time too :)
[05:31] <genii> sithlord48: Anytime
[05:32] <sithlord48> idk is xmms still being worked on , or? i used to use it for mandrake, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XMMS
[05:34] <tomsdale> actually xmms is still in the repo sithlord48
[05:34] <sithlord48> tomsdale, well its don't get much more winamp like then that..
[05:35] <sithlord48> tomdale,must admit nowadays amarok has grown on me
[05:35] <tomsdale> oh - I think it's xmms2 which is totally different. xmms it says no install candidate
[05:35] <nanolion> genii i bet you anything, that when i shutdown and startup, it will most likely crash or stop working out of the blue AGAIN
[05:35] <hermanChess> amarok is fugly
[05:35] <genii> nanolion: Might be some motherboard/chipset issue
[05:36] <tomsdale> sithlord48: yes - for background music listening yes. But I'm just working through guitar riffs and winamp with the shortcuts was just the perfect tool
[05:36] <genii> hermanChess: Yes, yes it is.
[05:36] <sithlord48> tomsdale, how do u do those messages like that last one..?
[05:36] <hermanChess> how come there can't be a player that has a global shortcut to search for a song, even better, search within the tray icon, i don't want to open the app to search for a song
[05:36] <tomsdale> sithlord48: ??? did I do anything special
[05:37] <sithlord48> tomsdale, they show red , even the fist one w/ my name at the end idk long time no use irc lol
[05:37] <tomsdale> I'm using quassel - maybe it does something special - it better does for the 200MB of RAM it consumes.
[05:38] <p_quarles> sithlord48: your irc client is highlighting your nick; nothing to do with anything tomsdale did (except type your name)
[05:38] <nanolion> genii yeah but does it matter even if the system is only 2yrs old?
[05:38] <sithlord48> i also am using quassel and the messages are red  tomsdale  i it must be because of my nick as p_quarles says...
[05:38] <tomsdale> yes - that
[05:38] <genii> nanolion: There are a lot of newer chipsets like NForce for instance which give weird issues
[05:39] <tomsdale> is default in quassel. how much ram is yours using - I have 540MB Reserved RAM for an IRC client. what a joke.
[05:39] <sithlord48> such a noob question too lol geeze making my self look bad,
[05:39] <sithlord48> but ne who tomsdale have you tried perhaps winamp 2.x w/ wine? i only say 2.x cause it don't have all the 5.x extra junk...
[05:40] <nanolion> genii have you ever had problems likes this?
[05:40] <tomsdale> yes - that might be an idea. I think xmms is orphaned and not being continued anymore.
[05:41] <genii> nanolion: Not exact symptoms. But similar.
[05:41] <sithlord48> kinda a shame , i like the layout of it .. and how i could use winamp's skins , really winamp ported to linux would prolly be the best (at least for me i would use it )
[05:41] <tomsdale> audacious is too buggy and most of the rest of the audio clients follow the iTunes principle which I don't need
[05:42] <genii> sithlord48: Bug the Winamp ppl for a port... ;)
[05:42] <tomsdale> I think there was a linux version on the way years ago - never left alpha state though.
[05:42] <sithlord48> genii you know your right i should...
[05:42] <sithlord48> tomsdale i also seam to remember such a thing along w/ a macamp as well that was a mac os 9 port... (used to work on a lot of them)
[05:43] <nanolion> genii, really i thought i was doing somthing wrong, anyway maybe its time i bought a new system or build one from scratch
[05:43] <tomsdale> from what I heard though the linux version was a joke .. never put really work into it.
[05:44] <tomsdale> audacious is actually not that bad but it consumes >50% CPU + sometimes skipps tracks.
[05:44] <genii> nanolion: Probably some research is needed first to determine if possible the actual issue. This is the tedious but neccesary reading/googling/evaluating/testing thing which is very annoying but neccesary sometimes.
[05:45] <sithlord48> yea a lot of people seam to think linux is a joke ,,, idk works fine for me and w/ a lot less set up then the days when i had mandrake 7 or redhat w/ kde 2 on it ...
[05:45] <sithlord48> audacity works good on my machine..
[05:46] <nanolion> genii, is there any good books you know of so i could get one
[05:47] <genii> nanolion: On linux? Or other subjects like programming etc
[05:47] <tomsdale> audacity would be the cooledit drop in replacement. But just for listening to guitar tracks winamp always was perfect with 5 sec skipping and the shortcuts.
[05:48] <sithlord48> are you just trying to get that seeking behavior ?
[05:49] <genii> nanolion: For *buntu the best reading is actually online at the  ubuntuforums, at the wiki and so on.
[05:51] <genii> nanolion: http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu:Jaunty is a good starting point
[05:51] <sithlord48> if thats all your after tomsdale then you should try vlc if you go to prefs->Interface->hotkey setup you can config the keys as well as the seek time in ms. (be sure you put it in advance mode)
[05:51] <tomsdale> I'd say easy panning and EQ plus seeking is a must plus next previous shortcuts.
[05:51] <nanolion> genii cool thanks, and is programing there aswell or is a book a better choice?
[05:51] <tomsdale> ah - that's actually an idea. I think I saw a EQ too.
[05:51] <sithlord48> tomsdale, vlc will do that too. it you extend the gui, and the eq is not bad...
[05:55] <genii> nanolion: For programming much depends on what level and language. For beginners and Python something like http://wiki.python.org/moin/BeginnersGuide is a good introduction. For people already familiar with some programming and want more hard-core stuff a book like this one is the standard reading http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_C_Programming_Language_(book)
[05:56] <nanolion> thanks for the links, will have look at them now
[05:56] <nanolion> genii ;-)
[05:56] <genii> nanolion: You're welcome.
[06:00] <raymond> hi
[06:00] <raymond> anyone here ?
[06:01] <genii> raymond: Some are awake, yes.
[06:01] <nanolion> raymond hello
[06:01] <nanolion> raymond coffee?
[06:01] <rompstar> i have a problem with ubuntu 9.04 :- )
[06:01] <nanolion> genii ;-)
[06:01] <rompstar> when I turn it on, network don't work, it's setup for DHCP, but when I type sudo dhclient, then it gets its IP and works, what could be worng ?
[06:02] <sithlord48> have you manually configed it at some point ?
[06:02] <rompstar> at one point I had it as a static IP, but then I changed it back to DHCP
[06:02] <rompstar> not sure
[06:03] <rompstar> where I can check ?
[06:03] <sithlord48> /etc/network/interfaces
[06:03] <rompstar> here is what I have
[06:04] <rompstar> # The loopback network interface
[06:04] <rompstar> auto lo
[06:04] <rompstar> iface lo inet loopback
[06:04] <rompstar> # The primary network interface
[06:04] <rompstar> auto eth2
[06:04] <rompstar> iface eth2 inet dhcp
[06:04] <sithlord48> thats your whole file?
[06:04] <sithlord48> eth2 really ?
[06:04] <rompstar> the reason what I have eth2, is that is what the network is chosen by dhclient, i had eth0 and it didn't work
[06:04] <rompstar> not sure
[06:05] <rompstar> i tried eth0 and it didn't work
[06:05] <p_quarles> rompstar: pastebin the output of ifconfig -a
[06:05] <rompstar> then I noticed that dhclient was choosing eth2, let me try that commend
[06:06] <rompstar> what should I paste from that command ?
[06:06] <rompstar> there is a lot of output
[06:06] <peabody> I deleted my /tmp mount and created a new one, and it mounts fine but since I've done that when I boot up into my kde login screen, it gives me the opportunity to login in, and then once I login successfully the creen goes black for a second, and then back to the login screen
[06:06] <genii> rompstar: I suggest to open up /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules      and remove references to any prior adapters you had in the box. You can also rename the current one which mac address in the file corresponds currently to eth2. Next reboot the eth2 will become again eth0
[06:07] <peabody> my kde log shows two entries: XKB: No components provided for device Virtual core keyboard
[06:07] <peabody> and [config/dbus] couldn't register object path
[06:07] <peabody> which I think is the issue
[06:07] <sithlord48> peabody , are your permissions on /tmp correct ?
[06:08] <rompstar> genii: thanks, will try that
[06:08] <peabody> /tmp/kde-root is drwx-------
[06:08] <peabody> and /tmp/X11-unix is drwxrwxrwxt
[06:09] <peabody> .X0-lock is -r--r--r--
[06:09] <peabody> so it seems everything is setting their permissions fine
[06:09] <sithlord48> you login in to a root session ? cause my kde-chris is owned my by me w/ r/w do you have one of them ?
[06:09] <peabody> I'm not logged in apparently
[06:10] <sithlord48> i guess not lol...
[06:10] <peabody> ahh that might be it
[06:11] <peabody> ok so I changed /tmp permissions and I not get an Xsession error
[06:11] <peabody> let me restart x
[06:11] <sithlord48> my /tmp is owned by root... just my folder w/ my name is owned by me
[06:12] <peabody> unable to launch failsafe X session --- x-terminal-emulator not found; aboprting
[06:12] <peabody> sithlord48: yes, that is correct, but your /tmp should be drwxrwxrwx
[06:12] <peabody> mine was 755
[06:13] <sithlord48> yea it is ... i don't know the chmod #'s sorry ... but 755 is owner r/w only right
[06:13] <peabody> yes
[06:13] <sithlord48> ok so i know just that one then lol
[06:13] <peabody> drwxr-xr-x
[06:13] <rompstar> thanks for helping, be back later, great!!!
[06:13] <sithlord48> no problem ..
[06:13] <badapple> hello, does anyone know why i am forced down to 640x480 resolution after activating opengl accel. on an nvidia onboard video card?
[06:14] <sithlord48> do you have any other display options in system settings -> display
[06:14] <peabody> ok well I got logged back in, I had moved my .kde prefences to .kde_old to see if that was an issue
[06:15] <peabody> and apparently I have no failsafe mode in kde
[06:15] <peabody> but at least I have a login :p
[06:15] <sithlord48> peabody, very good. nice to see you loged back in...
[06:15] <badapple> yes but nothing larger. one smaller i believe. any attemots to edit my xorg.conf have not worked. im kinda noob.
[06:15] <sithlord48> badapple, how did you go about installing your nvidia driver ?
[06:16] <badapple> i used the "hardware drivers" activate button.
[06:16] <sithlord48> ok
[06:17] <sithlord48> did you turn on opengl w/ nvidia-settings?
[06:17] <peabody> sithlord48: yeah thanks for the tip
[06:18] <sithlord48> peabody , no problem happy to help
[06:19] <badapple> yea ive tried changing the resloution through the nvidia xserver app but that doesnt let me either, but everything else in nvidia xserver looks correct
[06:19] <sithlord48> idk any other way to fix it then to add the mode line to your xorg....
[06:20] <sithlord48> and i don't have an nvidia card in this computer to look around w/ relivent results....
[06:20] <badapple> i have tried forcing it into krandr and gotten it to show up as an option but it does not actually change the resolution..
[06:21] <sithlord48> bummer...
[06:21] <badapple> but will say it has.  yea..  i have an ati card but didnt have much luck with that either.
[06:22] <sithlord48> perhaps you should uninstall your driver and see if installing it w/ envy or nvidia shell script yealds a better install..
[06:22] <badapple> can i just get envy in the usual way?
[06:22] <sithlord48> yea my ati card is whipped in to shape now.. but its proformance is nothing compared to when i had winxp on this same computer...
[06:22] <sithlord48> i think so ..
[06:23] <badapple> ok. thank you. i will try that. youve been helpful
[06:27] <sithlord48> badapple, no problem hopefully you can get you issue resolved. video @ 640*480 is just no good today....
[06:30] <badapple> sithlord, i think that was a pm? im using quassel, not sure how it works really just jumped on it. yea, it wouldnt bother me im using as a tv replacement mostly with boxee, but it cuts alot of setting pages off so i cant click "ok". tabbing blindl is not fun..
[06:31] <sithlord48> yea thats no fun at all now i know my tv is stuck at 640*480 (its an old pos)
[06:33] <sithlord48> well all, its about time for me to get off , its already after 1:30 am and i got to be up for work by 7am so night all
[06:33] <badapple> im sorta suspecting that is part of my problem too, but it does do 800x600 untill i activate opengl.
[06:33] <badapple> goodnight
[06:33] <badapple> lanks again for the help. im trying envy now..
[06:33] <rompstar> still having issues with network, when I boot there is no network, after I type: sudo dhclient network is assigned to eth0    my sudo pico /etc/network/interfaces
[06:33] <rompstar>  
[06:33] <rompstar> has
[06:33] <badapple> *thanks
[06:33] <sithlord48> well 800*600 is much better. i guess , hopefull you get ur driver working right...
[06:34] <rompstar> sorry
[06:34] <rompstar> disconnected
[06:34] <rompstar> any ideas with my problem ?
[06:34] <rompstar> my file has: # The loopback network interface
[06:34] <rompstar> auto lo
[06:34] <rompstar> iface lo inet loopback
[06:34] <rompstar> # The primary network interface
[06:34] <rompstar> auto eth0
[06:34] <rompstar> iface eth0 inet dhcp
[06:40] <wff> Sorry, but is it just me or is video playback horrible with Jaunty?
[07:29] <tron2000> hey everyone
[07:53] <rakista__> hmmm
[07:54] <Mamarok> hi rakista__, do you have a question?
[07:55] <rakista__> no jjust trying to figure out this damn comcast connection
[07:55] <Mamarok> watch your language, please
[07:56] <Mamarok> but yeah, I heard that comcast is a pain
[07:56] <rakista__> what language damn >?
[07:56] <Mamarok> exactly
[07:56] <rakista__> lol
[08:01] <robinp> i am having trouble installing 9.04 from the CD - for some reason it can't see the partitions on my /dev/sda (there is an existing ntfs, ext3 and swap partition). The 8.04 cd can read the table fine ? is this a known issue ? is there a workoaround ?
[08:02] <Mamarok> robinp: it should work fine, yes
[08:02] <Mamarok> robinp: what option did you choose, manual?
[08:02] <robinp> yes
[08:02] <robinp> the auto just wanted to format the whole disk
[08:03] <Mamarok> ocuh, that should not happen
[08:03] <robinp> i have the 9.04b cd - i might give that a go and see if there is an issue with that one
[08:03] <Mamarok> robinp: you can try setting mountpoints from the command line first
[08:04] <robinp> i know of at least one regression with the installer between 9.04b and 9.04 RC
[08:04] <Mamarok> booting with a live CD in command line mode
[08:04] <Mamarok> why don't you use a final release?
[08:04] <Mamarok> and what is 9.04b?
[08:04] <robinp> sorry - when i say RC - i mean final
[08:05] <Mamarok> you definitely shoudl use a final release CD
[08:05] <robinp> (were there any changes between the RC and final? )
[08:05] <Mamarok> should even
[08:05] <Mamarok> I don't know, never used the RC for installation, I only did upgrade in between
[08:05] <Mamarok> but I did a fresh isntall with final, so I know that works
[08:07] <robinp> now it is the desktop amd64 9.04 final cd im trying with just for complete clarification
[08:07] <Mamarok> that's exactly the one I used, and it works in manual mode
[08:08] <philsf> how can I backup and restore my podcast subscriptions in 1.4.10?
[08:08] <philsf> or maybe export/import?
[08:09] <philsf> preferrably export/j #ubuntu
[08:09] <Mamarok> philsf: check if these settings are in teh config file and save that
[08:09] <Mamarok> philsf: .kde/share/config/amarok*
[08:10] <philsf> Mamarok: I have grepped a bit, but only found a binary file
[08:10] <Mamarok> philsf: I can't remember where those were, maybe in the database
[08:10] <philsf> and I can't confirm
[08:10] <Mamarok> philsf: the config files are definitely not binary :)
[08:10] <philsf> "Binary file collection.db matches"
[08:11] <philsf> this is the only grep result, besides the log
[08:11] <Mamarok> philsf: the config files are always text files
[08:11] <Mamarok> philsf: care asking in #amarok?
[08:11] <philsf> Mamarok: oh, I was looking in apps/amarok, instead of config
[08:11] <Mamarok> somebody might know
[08:11] <philsf> sorry
[08:12] <Mamarok> philsf: just for security, save the apps/amarok/ folder too, so at least you have your database
[08:12] <philsf> I'm probably asking at the wrong time
[08:12] <philsf> no activity there, for a while now
[08:12] <philsf> wrong timezone
[08:13] <Mamarok> philsf: if you do not ask, nobody will answer you, just ask your question
[08:13] <philsf> Mamarok: I did
[08:13] <Mamarok> philsf: when? I'm there and haven seen anything since quite some time
[08:13] <philsf> about 15 minutes ago
[08:13] <Mamarok> oh, right, now I see it,
[08:14] <Mamarok> philsf: just be patient then, the timezone is right, most are in Europe and the aussies are still up
[08:14] <robinp> Mamarok: ok im getting error messages in the console as to why its not working...
[08:14] <Mamarok> robinp: could you pastebin those, please?
[08:15] <Mamarok> if it's above 3 lines that is
[08:15] <robinp> ill manually copy them to a pastebin
[08:17] <mickru> I have a problem with OpenOffice Impress under Jaunty. I can open a presentation from dolphin, but I cannot launch impress via kicker ...
[08:17] <Mamarok> kicker?
[08:17] <mickru> it does fail with some dialog saying it cannot access some files
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[08:17] <Mamarok> mickru: you mean krunner?
[08:18] <mickru> ok, if that's what its called :-)
[08:18] <mickru> jep
[08:18] <mickru> krunner
[08:18] <mickru> If I want to start an empty presentation starting impress via krunner it fails
[08:18] <Mamarok> mickru: then you need to type openoffice there
[08:18] <Mamarok> not impress
[08:19] <mickru> I type presentation, and get the offering of the Impress application. I click on that icon offering
[08:19] <mickru> I suppose that this will launch openoffice the right way with the impress module
[08:19] <Mamarok> mickru: works here, but I'm in 4.3
[08:19] <mickru> hmm
[08:20] <Mamarok> mickru: works in 4.2.2 too, just tested on another PC
[08:21] <mickru> The error dialog poping up it saying: No acces to object. Because of lack of permission it's not possible to access the object
[08:21] <mickru> I'm using 4.2.3
[08:21] <mickru> Usually I open an existing presentation and then this issue doesn't show
[08:22] <uberadm> how do i disable kwalletmanager
[08:22] <mickru> I just recently discovered it, when I tried to start the presentation module empty
[08:22] <Mamarok> uberadm: right click on the icon
[08:24] <robinp> Mamarok: http://paste.ubuntu.com/180118/
[08:24] <robinp> Mamarok: thats what I caught at least
[08:24] <mickru> starting OpenOffice with the writer module, then doing file->new presention does work if I select one of my own templates, but not with the default presentation
[08:24] <mickru> can it be that the default presentation is missing?
[08:25] <mickru> where would I find that?
[08:25] <Mamarok> mickru: you mean you didn't install OpenOffice on Jaunty yet?
[08:26] <Mamarok> if you installed it, impress should work out of the box, and with te wizard coming up
[08:26] <mickru> yes I did. Was part of the update when I upgraded to Jaunty from 8.10
[08:26] <uberadm> thanks Mamarok
[08:27] <robinp> Mamarok: im reading https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/220706 sounds like it could well be a motherboard related problem (Im using a Asus p5q)
[08:28] <mickru> for sure seems to be  a problem with the presentation wizard. Any idea how to get that working again?
[08:29] <mickru> How can I check if it's there?
[08:29] <Mamarok> robinp: more a harddisk problem from the error messages, or the SATA controller
[08:29] <Mamarok> mickru: force reinstall for OpenOffice
[08:29] <mickru> ok.. will try that
[08:30] <robinp> Mamarok: yeah - from the gist of what im reading its from the sata_nv.c file that changed ...
[08:30] <serocult> hola
[08:30] <serocult> buenos dias
[08:30] <Mamarok> !es | serocult
[08:31] <mickru> hmm can you give me a hint how to manage that? Is there a meta-package name for it?
[08:34] <Mamarok> mickru: openoffice.org is a metapackage that should get you everything
[08:34] <mickru> ok
[08:37] <mickru> sudo apt-get install --reinstall  openoffice.org
[08:37] <mickru> doesn't do the trick - no change
[08:38] <Mamarok> mickru: what does it open when you start with the krunner?
[08:39] <mickru> OpenOffice does start in the background. But when you expect the main window you get an error dialog that it has no rights to access an object. Which object isn't further specified. But I assume its the presentation wizard
[08:40] <Mamarok> could be the metapackage that is not working right
[08:41] <Mamarok> mickru: purge openoffice and install again would be my last proposition
[08:41] <mickru> :-)
[08:41] <mickru> ok ...
[08:49] <mickru> no change after reinstall... but now the UI is english, not german
[08:49] <mickru> the language I can fix, but it seems that the meta package has a problem
[08:56] <mickru> impress still with the same issue than before - no change
[08:56] <mickru> presentation wizard isn't working for me
[09:04] <xp-killer> i just update to kubuntu 9.04 now it saying dont have suport for my output vga
[09:05] <xp-killer> so i put it on my old screen 4:3 to change the resolution then reconect it to my HDtv the size is not the same plus when i restart it looses the resolution
[09:05] <xp-killer> and i have to reconect to my 4:3 screen
[09:07] <Mamarok> xp-killer: check the display settings in the systemsettings
[09:07] <Mamarok> hdmi is definitely supported
[09:08] <xp-killer> i change the resolution but when i restart the pc it saying not suported so i had to go back on my 4:3 screen
[09:09] <xp-killer> im conected with vga not hdmi
[09:09] <xp-killer> and it's not taken the hold screen anymore
[09:09] <xp-killer> Mamarok:
[09:10] <Mamarok> hm, having a HDTV and not connection it through that is...
[09:11] <Mamarok> investing in a hdmi cable for that TV is definitely worth a try, doesn't it come with one?
[09:12] <xp-killer> Mamarok: the tv have hdmi input but the pc dont have a hdmi output
[09:13] <Mamarok> xp-killer: there are adapters AFAIK
[09:13] <xp-killer> Mamarok: ok i put the resolution on 720x400 it take the hold scren i dont have the black ends anymore
[09:13] <Mamarok> because using it through a VGA cable doesn't give you HD at all
[09:13] <xp-killer> Mamarok: but everything IS HUGE BIG
[09:14] <Mamarok> xp-killer: as I said, check the systemsettings->Display part and tewak there, but my neighbor has a HDTV and it works fine with 16:9
[09:15] <Mamarok> and you should be able to do 1440x800
[09:15] <xp-killer> yeah it was working fine untill i upgrade to 9.04
[09:16] <Mamarok> xp-killer: works here, with 9.04
[09:17] <xp-killer> Mamarok: in the display i dont see 1440x800 option your friend must of have a realy BIG hdtv
[09:19] <Mamarok> xp-killer: nope, 17"
[09:19] <Mamarok> which is even very small for a hdtv :)
[09:20] <xp-killer> Mamarok: oh thats small so why dont i have that option in my display "1440x800"
[09:20] <Mamarok> wait, no, it's 212, still small though
[09:20] <Mamarok> xp-killer: did you change settings on the screen itself?
[09:21] <xp-killer> no it restart after the upgrade then told me display not suportive
[09:21] <Mamarok> xp-killer: try settings on the screen itself, might be disabled there
[09:22] <xp-killer> Mamarok: so i put it on my 4:3 change display and put it back on my 16:9 and it work but when i restarts it keep saying not suportive
[09:23] <Mamarok> xp-killer: well, I would invest in a cable adapter
[09:25] <xp-killer> Mamarok: my pc dont have hdmi
[09:25] <xp-killer> Mamarok: why should i buy anything when the resolution was fine untill i upgrade?
[09:25] <carolija> hi all
[09:26] <xp-killer> Mamarok: im gona restart to see if it tells me not surpotive again
[09:26] <carolija> how to see via konzola my computer performance ?
[09:26] <Mamarok> carolija: top or htop
[09:26] <Mamarok> htop you will have to install
[09:26] <Mamarok> but it's much nicer than top
[09:26] <carolija> tnx Mamarok
[09:27] <carolija> ill try it now :)
[09:27] <xp-killer> Mamarok: maybe it's the xorg config i have to play with or something
[09:28] <xp-killer> Mamarok: how do i get to the config for xorg or what ever u does call it
[09:28] <Mamarok> xp-killer: it's in /etc/X11/xorg.conf, but you will not find much there
[09:28] <Mamarok> you can add settings though, like the screen resolution
[09:30] <xp-killer> Mamarok: im not seing no resolution in it
[09:31] <xp-killer> Mamarok: maybe thats why it keep resettting it self when i restart
[09:31] <Mamarok> xp-killer: I told you, you will not find anything, but you can add your settings
[09:37] <Rojwan> Hi, I'm looking for a Kubuntu user manual. Will a Ubuntu user manual be helpful?
[09:39] <ubuntu> Hey can someone help me out?
[09:39] <Mamarok> !ask | ubuntu
[09:40] <Mamarok> Rojwan: for general Linux stuff yes, else check the userbase.kde.org website
[09:40] <carolija> Mamarok i want to see if is my PC okey for Compiz
[09:40] <Rojwan> I'll do that, thanks Mamarok.
[09:40] <ubuntu> I just installed kubuntu and Want to get wine working but dont remember anything from last time i used linux
[09:40] <Mamarok> carolija: you don't use compiz in KDE 4, use the desktop effects
[09:41] <carolija> yea ?
[09:41] <carolija> I used the Desktop effects
[09:41] <carolija> so to not install compiz ?
[09:41] <Mamarok> carolija: then it works
[09:42] <ubuntu> I believe I used to use the sudo apt get command in terminal but now it does not seem to work
[09:42] <Mamarok> carolija: look at the systemsettings -> desktop -> all effects and change what you want
[09:42] <carolija> I have option to install it, just i don want untill i am not sure if he can handle it
[09:42] <carolija> ok, tnx
[09:42] <Mamarok> ubuntu: you need to put the option install
[09:42] <Mamarok> ubuntu: sudo apt-get install wine
[09:42] <ubuntu> ahh thank you Mamarok
[09:43] <Mamarok> carolija: what graphic card?
[09:46] <carolija> Mamarok: ATI Technologies Inc RV350 AP [Radeon 9600] [1002:4150
[09:48] <carolija> arolija@s024:~$ free -m
[09:48] <carolija>              total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached
[09:48] <carolija> Mem:          1002        958         43          0         25        418
[09:48] <carolija> -/+ buffers/cache:        515        486
[09:48] <carolija> Swap:         2925          0       2925
[09:48] <carolija> carolija@s024:~$
[09:48] <jussi01> !paste | carolija
[09:49] <Mamarok> carolija: if your graphic card supports 3D with the radeon driver, then it's ok, but the fglrx driver in Jaunty is broken, so it won't work with that one
[09:50] <carolija> !paste
[09:50] <carolija> sorry, and tnx
[09:51] <Mamarok> carolija: do you really have 3 GB of RAM?
[09:52] <carolija> No i dont have on this old PC 3GB of RAM Mamarok
[09:52] <carolija> i have 1 GB on that PC where I use kubuntu
[09:52] <Mamarok> carolija: right, misread, the swap
[09:52] <carolija> where did u sow 3GB ?
[09:53] <carolija> right, misread, the swap = what this mean ?
[09:53] <Mamarok> carolija: you might try glxgears to check the 3D ability
[09:53] <Mamarok> carolija: I read the wrong line
[09:53] <carolija> Mamarok:  if your graphic card supports 3D with the radeon driver, then it's ok, but the fglrx driver in Jaunty is broken, so it won't work with that one - That is the point I whan to know before i try can support it or not
[09:54] <Mamarok> carolija: run glxgears from a command line
[09:54] <carolija> ok, sec
[09:55] <carolija> Mamaork, now i see some 3 thing made a cycle lol
[09:55] <carolija> what is this ? :)
[09:56] <Mamarok> carolija: does it run fast?
[09:56] <carolija> in clolors
[09:56] <carolija> yes, it's run fast i think
[09:57] <carolija> I mean its not slow anyway
[09:57] <Mamarok> then your card is 3D capable, but now we have to check if it runs with the Radeon driver too
[09:58] <carolija> how to check that one ?
[09:58] <carolija> via googl ot there is command
[09:58] <jussi01> Does anyone know if its possible to ge google calendar working with kontact?
[09:58] <Mamarok> carolija: you need to install the radeon driver and remove the fglrx driver, but it should work well with your card
[09:59] <carolija> Mamaro, hmm, is there some easy why via konzola to do that or ?
[09:59] <jussi01> !tab | carolija
[10:00] <Mamarok> carolija: apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-radeon
[10:00] <carolija> yes i know jussi01
[10:00] <Mamarok> with sudo
[10:00] <carolija> i was wondering are u playing with me or what:)
[10:01] <Mamarok> carolija: he said that because you mistyped my nick
[10:01] <carolija> I know, i am sorry, i like to type
[10:01] <carolija> thats all
[10:01] <Mamarok> carolija: remember, this is a support channel, so no chit chat :)
[10:02] <carolija> Mamarok, yea, thats why im here...
[10:02] <carolija> and btw my TAB wont work, don't know why on xchat
[10:02] <Mamarok> carolija: install that server, then remove the fglrx server, all from the command line, without KDE running of course
[10:02] <Mamarok> carolija: you can set this in the xchat settings
[10:02] <carolija> ill do that right now
[10:03] <Mamarok> carolija: then you need to reconfigure the X settings:
[10:03] <Mamarok> carolija: sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[10:04] <Mamarok> carolija: then you should be able to restart KDE and enable the desktop effects
[10:04] <carolija> ok, thank you, ill let you know
[10:04] <Mamarok> yes, would be nice
[10:05] <Mamarok> carolija: you are welcome :)
[10:05] <carolija> Mamarok, Thank you for your time :)
[10:06] <Mamarok> carolija: taht's what I'm here for :)
[10:06] <hjb> Hi. I'm using kubuntu 9.04
[10:07] <Mamarok> afk, bbl
[10:07] <hjb> After copying over some directories from an older machine, there's a strange thing in dolphin
[10:07] <hjb> some directories are displayed with a directory icon, but afex are displayed with a ? icon
[10:08] <hjb> i've checked permissions etc. all the same
[10:08] <hjb> how can i get rid of those ? icons?
[10:11] <jussi01> hjb: tried right clicking, - properties, then click the icon and change it?
[10:12] <hjb> jussi01: doh ;) great
[10:13] <hjb> jussi01: sometimes i'm not thinking gui :)
[10:13] <hjb> jussi01: just strange why it hadn't choosen the standard folder icon automatically
[10:18] <jussi01> hjb: curious, but I have no idea. glad it worked for you :)
[10:19] <hjb> jussi01: yeah, thanks :)
[10:22] <xp-killer> my resolution doesnt save for the vga output,can someone help me?
[10:28] <carolija> Something is really bad in here , so like I sad this is old PC what I use for kubuntu he have 1 GB RAM , and now i can't start it , like something is using all his CPU or don't know what
[10:28] <carolija> it's in here : http://paste.ubuntu.com/180195/
[10:28] <carolija> I can get in via ssh from laptop but he is blickd
[10:28] <carolija> and idea ?
[10:29] <carolija> jussi01, i hope this is correct :)
[10:29] <carolija> how i did it now with c/p
[10:33] <carolija> So ppl with spoof/whost ubuntu/mebmer/..  ; freenode/staff/...   are @ in here ? Because i don't see any @ in this channel, just curiose.
[10:39] <carolija> OMG again , the pc just boot up i see the Desktop and he just freez
[10:39] <carolija> :(
[10:40] <carolija> I formated this 9.04 Kubuntu 5 times in 3 days, something is really wrong ... just can't figure out what!
[10:41] <carolija> And that is not the point if its something wrong go and format it ....
[10:43] <carolija> And what is strange I can go in from other PC via ssh : uptime ---  11:42:26 up 12 min,  2 users,  load average: 0.06, 0.32, 0.19
[10:43] <carolija> is  there any way to switch of Desktop effects from Konzola ?
[10:44] <carolija> Maybe there is the problem ....
[10:44] <carolija> From that time i have play with Desktop effects and restart it I can't go back ...
[11:05] <katoda> hi, does anybody know how to get simultanous sound by amarok & flash in jaunty?
[11:15] <Leblond> Bonjour
[11:16] <carolija> i made it!!!
[11:16] <carolija> Bonjour
[11:16] <Leblond> j'ai un probleme :
[11:16] <Leblond> je me demandais si avec kino on pouvais flouter certaines parties d'une video
[11:16] <Leblond> sinon quel logiciel utiliser
[11:16] <Leblond> :S
[11:17] <carolija> Leblond
[11:17] <carolija> tu a Français #
[11:17] <Leblond> ?
[11:17] <carolija> tu vais la : #ubuntu-fr
[11:17] <carolija> ici est pour Anglais
[11:17] <Leblond> ah pardon
[11:17] <carolija> Or if u speak English
[11:17] <Leblond> desole
[11:17] <carolija> u can say it on english
[11:18] <carolija> de rian
[11:18] <Leblond> sorry but i'm not very good inenglish
[11:18] <eagles0513875> !fr | leb
[11:18] <eagles0513875> whoops he left
[11:21] <carolija> :)
[11:23] <carolija> I told him already ...
[11:42] <Gamarok__> howdy guys
[11:48] <blubbar> hi, I can start KDE but I can't click on the Desktop and have no taskbar anymore. any ideas how I can get my Desktop? :)
[11:50] <carolija> blubbar,
[11:50] <carolija>   did u change something before that ?
[11:51] <blubbar> carolija: nothing only the xorg.conf. switching from one monitor to two
[11:52] <Mamarok> blubbar: set the displays right in the system settings then
[11:52] <blubbar> i remember there was a command to restart the kde elements, but I wasn't using KDE long time ago
[11:53] <Mamarok> blubbar: read what I just told you
[11:53] <blubbar> yeap
[11:55] <carolija> Mamarok,
[11:55] <carolija>   now is all fine , I guess this PC is not good for desktop effects
[11:55] <carolija> I had to swich it off, because my PC was frezz
[11:55] <carolija> but I can go in  via ssh from his PC , strange ..
[11:56] <Mamarok> carolija: because you tried the fglrx driver I guess
[11:56] <carolija> maybe, don't know ;/
[11:56] <Mamarok> carolija: you absolutely have to remove that, else it will not work
[11:56] <Mamarok> carolija: remember the instructions I gave you earlier?
[11:57] <Mamarok> carolija: your graphic card is reproted to do great with the free radeon driver, also 3D
[11:57] <Mamarok> reported even
[11:57] <carolija> u mean like u sad :
[11:57] <carolija> apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-radeon
[11:57] <carolija> sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[11:57] <carolija> ?
[11:57] <Mamarok> no, remove the fglrx driver, else it's still default
[11:57] <Mamarok> then reconfigure the xserver
[11:58] <achilleas> how do i switch all sound output to just one device in ubuntu ffs
[11:58] <Mamarok> carolija: sudo apt-get purge fglrx*
[11:58] <carolija> sudo apt-get remove fglrx ?
[11:58] <willsazon> ola, ola, ola
[11:58] <carolija> ah purge
[11:58] <carolija> ok, sec
[11:58] <Mamarok> then you do the dpkg-reconfigure again
[11:58] <Mamarok> !es | willsazon
[11:58] <willsazon> alguem teria uma soluçao para eu ligar e desligar um pc pela rede?
[11:58] <willsazon> rsrsrsrssrsrsrsrsrsrsrsrsrsrsrsrsr
[11:59] <Mamarok> willsazon: Enlgish only here, please!
[12:00] <carolija> Mamarok,
[12:00] <carolija>   The pc is frozen again but i can use the ssh from this PC
[12:00] <carolija> i do this roght now : sudo apt-get purge fglrx*
[12:00] <carolija> right*
[12:00] <Mamarok> carolija: you have to do these settings without being logged into KDE
[12:00] <carolija> ah  , okk
[12:01] <willsazon> it forgives
[12:01] <carolija> so reboor
[12:01] <carolija> reboot*
[12:01] <Mamarok> carolija: no, why?
[12:01] <willsazon> somebody to say knows me as to bind and disconnect a PC for the net
[12:01] <carolija> to logout from KDE , no ?
[12:02] <carolija> i will leave it just to boot up and than sudo apt-get purge fglrx
[12:02] <Mamarok> willsazon: you should ask in #kubuntu-es
[12:02] <carolija> !es | willsazon
[12:03] <carolija> ha! i learn
[12:03] <willsazon> not, for it disconnect it exactly.
[12:03] <Mamarok> carolija: please, I already told him, do not abuse the bot!
[12:03] <carolija> Mamarok,
[12:03] <carolija>   ok
[12:03] <willsazon> ok
[12:03] <Mamarok> carolija: boot in maintainance mode, so you are logged in as sudo by default
[12:04] <Mamarok> then purge the fglrx driver, and reconfigure the xserver again with dpkg-reconfigure as I told you
[12:05] <Mamarok> carolija: and of course you will have to install the radeon driver, or have you already done that?
[12:05] <carolija> Mamarok,
[12:05] <carolija>   No i didn't install it yet
[12:05] <Mamarok> carolija: well, it can't work then, can't it?
[12:06] <Mamarok> carolija: 1. install the radeon driver
[12:06] <Mamarok> carolija: 2. purge the fglrx driver
[12:06] <Mamarok> caro3. reconfigure the X server3.
[12:06] <Mamarok> oops
[12:06] <Mamarok> carolija: 3. reconfigure the X server
[12:07] <carolija> Mamarok,
[12:07] <carolija>   So not first tu purge the fglrk driver ?
[12:07] <carolija> because i already do that :/
[12:08] <carolija> But h wait in here: Do you want to continue [Y/n]? y
[12:08] <carolija> (Reading database ...
[12:08] <Mamarok> carolija: install the radeon driver
[12:08] <carolija> okey
[12:08] <carolija> So i will cancel this
[12:08] <carolija> and install the driver how u sad
[12:08] <Mamarok> carolija: just follow the steps I gave you and report back then
[12:09] <Mamarok> no need to comment every step if there are no errors
[12:09] <carolija> Mamarok,
[12:09] <carolija>   ok, tnx
[12:16] <mamr> is there a package including the original kde 4 wallpapers?
[12:17] <mamr> cause I only got the "Air" wallpaper, but not the other ones
[12:17] <mamr> oh
[12:17] <mamr> sorry, think I found them
[12:17] <mamr> :)
[12:28] <sandy_> my jaunty networkmanager seems to recognize my default wireless network connection as if it was a new one -> and therefore always asks for the password again -> how can i solve that?
[12:31] <Spezl> hi, does anyone know how to find out which version of the ati proprietary graphics driver i am using?
[12:33] <Mamarok> Spezl: aptitude show xorg-driver-fglrx
[12:40] <Spezl> Mamarok: "Version: 2:8.600-0ubuntu2" now what catalyst version does that mean? can'/t be 8.6 since that would not support xserver version 1.6?
[12:56] <Mist_> hmm.. from where is the ntfs, fat partitions handled in kubuntu 9.04? I have 3 of them, but they are not entered in fstab like I am used to from earlier ^^
[13:00] <LadyNikon> Mist_: if you run the command mount what do you see?
[13:02] <Mist_> I see a list starting with /dev/sda1 on type ... etc and so on.. ending with securityfs on /sys ...
[13:04] <Mist_> I have the mount points specified in dolphin and so on but using them ask me for root passw of course. Just felt a bit odd they were not in fstab if they where listed in dolphin :)
[13:04] <Mist_> guess it might be a kde4 feature..
[13:04] <Mist_> it scanned the disks and found partition and listing the names related to those partitions I would guess?
[13:07] <Mist_> LadyNikon: feels like a search of the ubuntu forums is suited here how others worked it out. have a feeling ntfs tools form kde 3.x etc. should not be used. edit fstab at highest it feels.. :)
[13:07] <Mamarok> Spezl: that is the current fglrx driver, don't use it, it's buggy
[13:07] <LadyNikon> oh i useed that part
[13:08] <LadyNikon> i thought you were just trying to add the location of your ntfs partitions
[13:08] <LadyNikon> Mist_: good luck!
[13:08] <dROg> heya guys
[13:08] <dROg> i have a bit of a question
[13:08] <dROg> does anybody have problems with kwin ?
[13:08] <dROg> on amd64
[13:09] <Mist_> LadyNikon: he he. Those things should be the easy part. Always been a bit confused adding them to fstab and have them mounted with correct permissions dynamicaly for users :P
[13:10] <LadyNikon> dROg: ask what your problem is.. instead of if people use it
[13:10] <LadyNikon> it makes the day alot faster
[13:10] <Mist_> LadyNikon: the mystery atm is.. how does kde4 know about them through which procedure and tech and is there a way to just add my user to a group so that they are mounted without asking me for password :)
[13:10] <dROg> LadyNikon: kwin crashes sometimes
[13:11] <dROg> but doesn't say why or where the source came
[13:11] <LadyNikon> hmm i have always used ubuntu up until no.w.. i didnt know kde4 used fstab differently
[13:11] <LadyNikon> dROg: have you checked your logs?
[13:11] <dROg> yes :) quite often actually....i even keep pidgin in debugging mode
[13:12] <dROg> but i can't see why it crashes, and when i try to shut it down and then start it again....it says something bout xsmserver or something like that, dunno if it's quite xsm.....but it says something about a server or something failed to start
[13:12] <Mist_> LadyNikon: seems it checking up devices for itself and their partitions and mountpoints since they are not in fstab at all.. ^^ Would be sweet to not have to fiddle around with fstab actually and they are added on the fly.. hmm
[13:14] <dROg> no idaes ?
[13:14] <dROg> ideas*
[13:15] <Mamarok> dROg: what version of KDE are you using?
[13:15] <dROg> 4.2
[13:15] <Mamarok> 4.2.0?
[13:16] <Mamarok> dROg: if you are on Jaunty, it's either 4.2.2 or 4.2.3
[13:16] <dROg> 4.2.3
[13:16] <dROg> sorry for that :)
[13:16] <Mamarok> dROg: no problem :)
[13:16] <Mamarok> dROg: could it be that something is not installed?
[13:17] <dROg> can't be that, all kwin utilities are in :)
[13:17] <Hetor> is there any way to make GTK+ applications look like KDE ones?
[13:17] <Mamarok> hm, xcmserver not loaded?
[13:17] <LadyNikon> dROg: i never used it sorry.
[13:17] <dROg> yeah....think that's it
[13:17] <dROg> but that's happening
[13:17] <dROg> after i try to start it again
[13:18] <dROg> after it crashes
[13:18] <Mamarok> Hetor: systemsettings -> Appearance - GTK style
[13:18] <Mist_> oh look at that.. a  webpage by name linux-ntfs.org.. :)
[13:18] <Mist_> sounds like epic win for me :P
[13:18] <Mamarok> dROg: that could very well be a missing dependency, as xchat is not a KDE application something couls be missing for it to work correctly
[13:19] <Mamarok> could*
[13:19] <dROg> hm
[13:19] <dROg> isnt' quassel a kde application ?
[13:19] <kubu> Hello where are the files to edit the kmenucategories in kubuntu 9.04
[13:20] <Hetor> Mamarok: I don't want KDE to look like GTK+, I want GTK+ to look like KDE :P
[13:20] <Mamarok> Hetor: go there and have a look :)
[13:20] <Hetor> I did
[13:20] <Mamarok> kubu: right click on the menu icon, edit kmenu
[13:20] <Mamarok> Hetor: Qtcurve?
[13:21] <Mamarok> dROg: yes, it is
[13:21] <dROg> then ... i can quite say i don't really have other apps installed.....
[13:21] <dROg> i think
[13:21] <dROg> :>
[13:22] <Mamarok> dROg: you talked abour xchat earlier, didn't you?
[13:22] <dROg> uhm...no....i don't even use that..
[13:24] <kubu> for example to create shortcuts you can create applicatio_name.desktop where is the file to edit things such as Internet, mutimedia etc without using the menu editor
[13:25] <Mamarok> dROg: sry, misread, you talked about pidgin
[13:25] <dROg> brb a while, gotta do some homework now :) anyhow thanks for trying Mamarok, i think i'm kinda tired and i can't explain it quite well :) but when it'l crash again i'll make a note on exactly what is says
[13:25] <dROg> i was askin about quassel if that's a kde app dude :)
[13:25] <Mamarok> dROg: likely xsmserver
[13:25] <dROg> xsmserver's from pidgin ?
[13:28] <kubu> anyone knows how to edit the kmenu entries without using the KDE menu editor?
[13:30] <Mamarok> kubu: that's how it works
[13:30] <Mamarok> kubu: why don't you want that method?
[13:31] <kubu> there should be a file like name.desktop that you can open in kate right?
[13:31] <Mamarok> kubu: what do you want to do exactly?
[13:32] <kubu> I want to add sub-menus and move some applications to the sub-menus
[13:32] <Mamarok> kubu: well, that's what the menu editor is for, easiest way :)
[13:33] <kubu> ok where does thos setting are store?
[13:33] <Mamarok> kubu: wait, I'll get it for you
[13:34] <kubu> I'm not familiar yet with kube since I am trying to move from pclos to kubuntu
[13:35] <Mamarok> kubu: ~/.config/menus/
[13:35] <Mamarok> there should be a .menu entry
[13:35] <kubu> Mamarok thanks very much
[13:35] <Mamarok> kubu: still, the menu editor is easier and avoids breaking things
[13:37] <kubu> Actually my question should if I create a name.desktop file how do I make thet application for example apper under Internet menu?
[13:38] <Mamarok> kubu: look ath that file, it lists stuff by categories
[13:38] <kubu> Mamarok thanks
[13:50] <Allah_kegyeltje> Sziasztok dicsoseges testverek
[13:52] <carolija> Mamarok,
[13:52] <carolija>   can u please tell me where im wrong ? --> http://paste.ubuntu.com/180335/
[13:52] <carolija> i downloaded ati-driver-installer-9-3-x86.x86_64.run but something i doing wrong ;/
[13:54] <carolija> !hu | Allah_kegyeltje
[13:54] <leleobhz> someone can help-me to find a problem on kubuntu that occours since kde3?
[13:55] <leleobhz> (and i think its only with kubuntu)
[13:55] <leleobhz> i have BIG troubles about amsn focus
[13:57] <Allah_kegyeltje> ubottu brotha' danke schone
[13:57] <Shadoze> Lol
[13:57] <Allah_kegyeltje> carolija brotha DA
[13:58] <Allah_kegyeltje> I am hungarian, not a tourist!
[13:59] <Allah_kegyeltje> I am hungarian, not a tourist!
[13:59] <Shadoze> ...?
[14:00] <ahox> Hi, I have problem with KDE4.2 that I can not access any ftp site
[14:00] <ahox> I always get an errorpage with URL: ftp://ftp.ngdc.noaa.gov,...,Additional Information: smb://ftp.ngdc.noaa.gov
[14:00] <ahox> note the smb in the protocal part, does anyone know where this comes from?
[14:02] <linuxerson> TecR0c : scared of north korea's missile. T.T
[14:02] <linuxerson> ;;
[14:03] <carolija> Allah_kegyeltje:  If you whant to play find other plac for that , if you whant to ask help on Hungarian go to #ubuntu-hu
[14:03] <carolija> place*
[14:04] <Allah_kegyeltje> Ah, so nice. Really?
[14:05] <Allah_kegyeltje> Why brotha?
[14:05] <linuxerson> want to help the korean people go to ubuntu-kr
[14:05] <linuxerson> want to help the korean people go to #ubuntu-kr
[14:06] <Shadoze> We know.
[14:06] <carolija> Allah_kegyeltje:  because this is a support channel.
[14:08] <Shadoze> Please go to #ubuntu-offtopic or #ubuntu=hu
[14:08] <Shadoze> *-hu
[14:08] <carolija> hello Shadoze :)
[14:09] <Allah_kegyeltje> Ohh, no. I can not going to #ubuntu-hu
[14:09] <Shadoze> Why not?
[14:09] <Shadoze> Hello carolija, did you get it working in the end?
[14:10] <Allah_kegyeltje> Just because our companies under attack and heavy trollz warning in #ubuntu-hu
[14:10] <carolija> Yea, but I have some problem with ATI graphick card
[14:10] <fei_> hah .
[14:11] <carolija> is u know where im wrong ? --> http://paste.ubuntu.com/180335/
[14:11] <carolija> if*
[14:11] <Allah_kegyeltje> and I hates all peoples, who has an operator commands in #ubuntu-hu
[14:12] <carolija> You have kubuntu-offtopic too
[14:12] <carolija> and  u can speak about who u hate etc ...
[14:12] <Shadoze> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat
[14:12] <Shadoze> That's a list of channels availible
[14:13] <Shadoze> @ carolija well according to that log, kubuntu is not supported with that driver
[14:13] <Shadoze> Erm
[14:13] <Shadoze> What is the make/model of your card?
[14:13] <Allah_kegyeltje> anybody heard about mr. gsuveg from hungarian developers team?
[14:14] <carolija> or im doing something wrong
[14:14] <ahox> carolija: whats the make of your card?
[14:15] <Shadoze> And also, do you know if you can install it via hardware-drivers
[14:15] <carolija> Shadoze:  I download it in hre, maybe is wrong ?  http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/linux/legacy/Pages/radeon_linux.aspx?type=2.4.1&product=2.4.1.3.24&lang=English
[14:16] <carolija> ahox:  Radeon 9600
[14:16] <ahox> carolija: try  --buildpk Ubuntu/jaunty
[14:16] <ahox> carolija: *--buildpkg Ubuntu/jaunty
[14:17] <Shadoze> That does look like the correct driver for your card
[14:17] <carolija> huh
[14:17] <ahox> carolija: with a small j
[14:18] <Allah_kegyeltje> Yesm I can fight for freedom
[14:18] <ahox> I remember I managed to compile it for ubuntu for my radeon3600, however the driver never worked for me anyway...
[14:18] <eagles0513875> j kubuntu-offtopic
[14:18] <carolija> ahox:  carolija@s024:~$ --buildpkg Ubuntu/jaunty
[14:18] <carolija> -bash: --buildpkg: command not found
[14:19] <ahox> sry, thats just the parameter for the driver installer
[14:19] <ahox> also, there is a newer driver available, why don't you first download the 9.5
[14:19] <ahox> It seems to me that you currently use the 9.3
[14:20] <carolija> I heard somwhere that is Radeon comatibile with kubuntu, just cant find right driver
[14:20] <Shadoze> sudo sh ati-driver-installer-9-3-x86.x86_64.run --buildpkg Ubuntu/hardy
[14:20] <Shadoze> replace the end with jaunty
[14:20] <carolija> with kubuntu before this i hade no update any driver
[14:21] <ahox> carolija: some are - and I understood that the 9.5 fixed some of the issues, but not all of them
[14:21] <Shadoze> so try
[14:21] <Allah_kegyeltje> jaunty_? brrr..big holy shit:(
[14:21] <ahox> otherwise you can use the radeon opensource driver
[14:21] <genii> !language
[14:21] <Allah_kegyeltje> a few dozens of bugs
[14:21] <Shadoze> sudo sh ati-driver-installer-9-3-x86.x86_64.run --buildpkg Ubuntu/jaunty
[14:21] <Allah_kegyeltje> IN EBGLISH: Jaunty not too god
[14:22] <Allah_kegyeltje> Just because contains a few dozens of bigs
[14:22] <Allah_kegyeltje> bugs
[14:22] <Shadoze> Allah. instead of mouthing off, why don't you contribute with something usefull
[14:22] <genii> Allah_kegyeltje: The swearing is more the kind of language that was not family-friendly
[14:22] <ahox> I know this is offtopic, but because of recent events, is there some way to ignore someone on irc?
[14:23] <genii> ahox: /ignore their-name
[14:23] <ahox> thnx
[14:23] <carolija> brb 10 min - Shadoze  i think this one will work will see , just to brb
[14:23] <genii> ahox: np
[14:23] <Allah_kegyeltje> brb wtfm omg?
[14:23] <Shadoze> type /ignore Allah_kegyeltje 3,
[14:24] <Shadoze> Ok carolija, hopefully
[14:24]  * genii feeds tsimpson coffee
[14:24]  * tsimpson runs and hides in the corner to drink it
[14:28] <Shadoze> Allahs giving abuse via pm >.<
[14:28] <Shadoze> Deleted the buffers ;)
[14:29] <tsimpson> you should just /ignore them, nothing we can do here when they aren't in the channel
[14:29] <tsimpson> (there's also #freenode if you want to complain)
[14:29] <Shadoze> Cheers ignoring is easier than igniting there fire
[14:30] <Allah_kegyeltje> Willkomt again brotha'z
[14:30] <Allah_kegyeltje> Heavy TroLLz attak warnin'
[14:30] <Allah_kegyeltje> I am da TUKSKILLAH
[14:30]  * tsimpson gets bored of trolls quickly
[14:31] <Shadoze> Dw, he was just after attention
[14:31] <Mamarok> carolija: why did you install a ATI driver from elsewhere?
[14:31] <Mamarok> carolija: I told you that this driver would not work
[14:32] <koutrouvala> hi guys, how can i setup my network settings in kubuntu 9,04?? i must give manually ip, gateway, dns and network mask in order to connect. i know the values, i don't know where to enter them. can someone help me out with that plz?
[14:33] <Mamarok> Shadoze: that was definitely not the correct driver for his card I fear...
[14:33] <Mamarok> carolija: I gave you precise instructions, why didn't you follow those?
[14:34] <Shadoze> Shoot
[14:34] <Shadoze> The following products have been moved to the legacy software support structure (including Mobile and All-in-Wonder Variants)
[14:34] <tsimpson> koutrouvala: System Settings -> Network Settings -> Network Management
[14:34] <Shadoze> They had a ATI Radeon 9600 Series card
[14:35] <Mamarok> Shadoze: I spent hal of my morning with that, please...
[14:35] <koutrouvala> tsimpson, and there, where do i input each value??where i put the ip address, the dns etc?
[14:35] <Shadoze> Sure thing *good luck*
[14:35] <Mamarok> Shadoze: alos, the fglry drivers do *not* work in Jaunty, for no one, wether those are taken from the Ubuntu repos or from the ATI wbsite, those do not work
[14:35] <tsimpson> koutrouvala: click the "New" button to create a new entry
[14:35] <ahox> koutrouvala: What kind of connection do you have?
[14:36] <Shadoze> I had my laptop running in jaunty the other day
[14:36] <Shadoze> and that using a notorious ati radeon xpress 1100 card
[14:37] <Mamarok> Shadoze: believe me, I spent dozens of hours on that stuff, if it worked for yu, you are a lucky sxception with a supported card
[14:37] <Mamarok> the last two drivers where just a mess with half of the cards not supported at all
[14:37] <ahox> Mamarok: I understood that it only works for some cards
[14:38] <koutrouvala> tsimpson, what do you mean? this computer connects through the usiversity's network and must manually input the values. the values i must give are ip address, dns, 2ndary dns, network mask default gateway
[14:38] <Mamarok> and the Radeon 9600 *never* worked well with any fglrx driver, in any distribution or version
[14:38] <Shadoze> IMO i was probably using the open source version for mine
[14:38] <ahox> koutrouvala: So do you have a wired connection?
[14:38] <koutrouvala> tsimpson, yes
[14:38] <Mamarok> ahox: well, what happened is that first AMD fired half of the driver staff for economic reasons
[14:38] <Shadoze> last time i was using fglrx for sure was 8.10
[14:39] <Mamarok> then they had to cope with a new xorg version and just removed most of the cards that were older than 1 year
[14:39] <ahox> Mamarok: let me guess - and the whole qual/testing dep...?
[14:39] <Mamarok> ahox: I guess so :(
[14:39] <Shadoze> I thought amd only had like two workers working of there linux drivers anyway
[14:39] <ahox> Mamarok: well, I currently use the radeon card, carolija, you may want to dry that, too
[14:40] <ahox> koutrouvala: Press the Add button
[14:40] <Mamarok> Shadoze: it's worse, they never worked on any open source driver, everything coming from ATI/AMD is closed source
[14:40] <Shadoze> *These sites are community resources, and are not supported by, or affiliated with AMD in any way.  < Shows how much they care
[14:40] <tsimpson> koutrouvala: from Network Management click "Add", then you can create an entry with IP address, gateway, DNS servers and the like
[14:40] <ahox> sry, radeon driver, of course
[14:41] <Mamarok> ahox: I gave him detailed instructions how to proceed, a mystery for me how he ended up with a ati driver downloaded from the website :(
[14:41] <ahox> Mamarok: google is your fiend?
[14:41] <Shadoze> Probably because it had ATI Radeon 9600 Series
[14:41] <Shadoze> And google would have picked that up
[14:42] <Shadoze> Unfortunatly at the top it stats all those cards listed below have been moved to legacy
[14:42] <Mamarok> Shadoze: the 9600 omly wors well with the free radeon driver anyway, I had that for over 4 years :)
[14:42] <koutrouvala> tsimpson, what method do i use? dhcp...auto....?? which one? because i ve been trying for a while and getting stuck
[14:43] <tsimpson> koutrouvala: manual
[14:43] <Mamarok> Shadoze: and the rule is easy: do not use the current fglrx drivers, they are crap
[14:43] <ahox> koutrouvala: Manual...
[14:43] <Mamarok> ahox: fiend? no, friend you mean?
[14:43] <ahox> Mamarok: nope, in this case fiend
[14:43] <koutrouvala> tsimpson, ok and then in search domains?? what do i put there?
[14:43] <Shadoze> mamarok by any chance did you link them too
[14:43] <Shadoze> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RadeonDriver
[14:43] <tzanger> Good morning
[14:43] <tzanger> I have noticed one really annoying thing with 9.04 and the screensave
[14:43] <tzanger> er screensaver
[14:44] <Shadoze> which has information on the open source driver and how to remove the propierity one
[14:44] <Mamarok> Shadoze, ahox seriousley, I know what I am doing here, no help needed, but thanks :)
[14:44] <Shadoze> Mamarok, i learnt the rule, not to buy from ati
[14:44] <tzanger> when I unlock (I use a blank screensaver, but have tried with several), the dialog box comes up right away but if I start typing my password, it will "hang" for several seconds before printing *** for every character in the password, and then finally unlocking
[14:44] <tzanger> does anyone know what causes this?
[14:44] <Mamarok> Shadoze: it was better than nvidia driver-wise for a long time
[14:45] <tsimpson> koutrouvala: you normally leave it blank
[14:45] <Mamarok> tzanger: do you have desktop effects enabled or something else using your CPU?
[14:45] <tzanger> Mamarok: I have a VERY minimal set of effects enabled, but when I turn them off completely, the same still happens
[14:45] <tzanger> I thought the same thing :-)
[14:46] <tzanger> it's a consistent thing
[14:46] <Mamarok> tzanger: what does top tell you?
[14:46] <tzanger> EVERY unlock does this, usually about 2-3 characters in to my password
[14:46] <tzanger> Mamarok: I can't tell, I have to enter my password in order to get to a shell to see top
[14:46] <Mamarok> tzanger: you do not need a root shell, just open konsole as a user
[14:46] <tzanger> Mamarok: it has nothing to do with root
[14:46] <tzanger> it's the screen saver unlock
[14:46] <koutrouvala> tsimpson, and wher do i put the secindary dns?
[14:47] <tzanger> it's my own (non-root) password
[14:47] <tzanger> but I'll open up a shell with top running, let the screensaver kick in and see if I can catch the culprit
[14:47] <Mamarok> tzanger: well, maybe you choose a 3D screensaver hugging your CPU
[14:47] <tzanger> Mamarok: as I said, I use the "blank screen" screensaver
[14:47] <Mamarok> tzanger: hm, you will have to do this from a terminal outside KDE then
[14:47] <tsimpson> koutrouvala: separate by spaces
[14:48] <Mamarok> oh, right, didn't see you specified blank screen
[14:48] <tzanger> Mamarok: actually that's a great idea
[14:48] <tzanger> ssh in
[14:48] <tzanger> I didn't think of that
[14:48] <tzanger> thank you
[14:48] <ahox> tzanger, you can also switch to the console via ctr+alt+Fn
[14:48] <Mamarok> tzanger: no need, just switch to tty1 with Ctrl+Alt+F1
[14:48] <ahox> F7 is KDE, btw ;-)
[14:49] <koutrouvala> tsimpson, the network mask prefix is 255.255.0.0. when i enter it it changes to 0. is this normal?
[14:50] <ahox> ok, does anyone here knows where konqueror/dolphin check for the protocols to use? Mine always want to use the smb:// to open any ftp link
[14:51] <tsimpson> koutrouvala: the prefix would be 16
[14:51] <koutrouvala> tsimpson, the network mask it uses from windows is 255.255.0.0 .where do i enter that?\
[14:52] <tsimpson> koutrouvala: a prefix of 16 is the same as a netmask of 255.255.0.0
[14:52] <Mamarok> carolija: ping me when you are back
[14:53] <koutrouvala> tsimpson, thnx man!! it worked! you saved the day guys, once again!
[14:53] <koutrouvala> :)
[14:53] <tsimpson> no problem :)
[14:59] <linex> hello
[15:00] <linex> Where can I read the difference between the desktop and server version ?
[15:00] <ActionParsnip> linex: i can tell you if you like
[15:00] <linex> I want to run kubuntu as desktop but also as a server.
[15:01] <ActionParsnip> linex: then install desktop
[15:01] <linex> ActionParsnip: If I installed the desktop version, will it not be able to do stuff that a server version can do ?
[15:01] <ActionParsnip> linex: absolutely
[15:02] <ActionParsnip> linex: the server install doesnt come with an x server or all the other stuff that a server system will not use. If you need a desktop system, install desktop. If the system is a  true server then running an x server is not only a waste, its also an extra process which can be captured
[15:02] <linex> ActionParsnip: hmm, I asked a confuding question , now I get a simple answer, I'm confused.
[15:03] <linex> ActionParsnip: ok. I get it. Both version are using exactly the build of packages, right ?
[15:03] <ActionParsnip> linex: if you are going to put an x server on your system, install desktop and you will be fine
[15:04] <ActionParsnip> linex: they use the same repos, its just the default apps that differ
[15:04] <linex> ActionParsnip: Thanks. Understood now.
[15:04] <genii> linex: In a typical real server setup, the box does not have a keyboard/mouse/monitor since it sits usually somewhere in a large cabinet. So the admin will instead use a desktop system from another location to administer this server, by either ssh into it, or installing onto the server web-based control applications for the things on that server.
[15:05] <linex> I understand. I'm not a newbie. Though I did sound like one.
[15:05] <linex> Thanks guys.
[15:08] <carolija> Yea! Shadoze  that was right  command : http://paste.ubuntu.com/180392/
[15:09] <carolija> So what is next now
[15:10] <Mamarok> carolija: you didn't answer my question...
[15:10] <carolija> just a sc to find it
[15:10] <carolija> sec*
[15:11] <Mamarok> carolija: I told you this morning *not* to use the proprietary driver, but use the free radeon one, why do you install the proprietary one then?
[15:12] <carolija> hmm i im confused now, u told me that i need driver for my Radeon if i understood well ?
[15:12] <carolija> or else want work
[15:12] <Mamarok> carolija: I told you the following:
[15:12] <Shadoze> There are two radeon drivers, an open source one, and the propierity ati one
[15:13] <Mamarok> 1. sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-radeon
[15:13] <Mamarok> 2. purge the fglrx driver
[15:13] <Mamarok> 3. reconfigure the xserver
[15:13] <Mamarok> carolija: I don't know why you are doing something completely different now
[15:14] <Mamarok> Shadoze: well, you handle that then, I have work here...
[15:14]  * Mamarok gives up
[15:14] <Mamarok> Shadoze: I gave even the line to type, so where is it difficult to understand?
[15:15] <Shadoze> ?
[15:15] <carolija> I did not understand this one well : <Mamarok> carolija: you need to install the radeon driver and remove the fglrx driver, but it should work well with your card
[15:15] <Mamarok> carolija: I gave you precise instructions what to do
[15:16] <Mamarok> I even numbered those, so I don't understand why you are doing something else...
[15:16] <carolija> I typed that line Mamarok
[15:16] <Mamarok> carolija: there were 3 lines
[15:17] <Mamarok> carolija: but as others seem so keen on giving advice, check with them, I have work waiting here
[15:17] <carolija> omg, wait to see now what i have to made it right
[15:20] <Shadoze> @ carolija you will need to purge the fglrx driver and install open source one instead
[15:21] <carolija> sudo apt-get purge fglrx*  ?
[15:21] <Shadoze> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Troubleshooting/FglrxInteferesWithRadeonDriver
[15:22] <Shadoze> Those are the instructions to remove fglrx depending on your situation
[15:22] <carolija> Now i have this problem : E: Couldn't find package fglrx-amdcccle_8.593-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
[15:22] <carolija> wan i try to purge fglrx
[15:22] <Shadoze>  locate fglrx
[15:22] <Shadoze> will track down all the fglrx blobs
[15:23] <ActionParsnip> sudo dpkg -P fglrx*    if you want to keep the package but remove config. sudo apt-get --purge remove fglrx*  to remove package and config
[15:23] <carolija> they are here http://paste.ubuntu.com/180402/
[15:24] <Shadoze> $ sudo apt-get remove --purge xorg-driver-fglrx
[15:24] <ahox> Hi, is there some way of tracking all files that are beeing opened/read by a specific application? Like lsof, but continous
[15:24] <Shadoze> is the more aggressive wayt
[15:25] <carolija> yes this one sudo apt-get remove --purge xorg-driver-fglrx is working
[15:25] <Shadoze> @ carolija
[15:25] <Shadoze> I am meerly reading this article
[15:25] <Shadoze> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RadeonDriver
[15:25] <Zorael> "Couldn't find package fglrx-amdcccle_8.593-0ubuntu1_i386.deb" happens if you perform something on fglrx* when there are files in your current directory matching that
[15:25] <Shadoze> you may want to read along with me
[15:25] <carolija> yea, i read it too
[15:26] <carolija> open it
[15:26] <Zorael> sudo aptitude purge ~nfglrx is the aptitude alternative.
[15:26] <Shadoze> Thanks, Zorael
[15:27] <carolija> so this one $ glxinfo |grep vendor
[15:28] <Shadoze> Effectivally fglrx must be removed before we install the open source eq
[15:28] <ahox> Can someone with a proxy please check for me if their ftp is working?
[15:28] <Shadoze> Otherwise theres conflicts
[15:28] <Zorael> Does anyone have a sound theme they recommend?
[15:29] <ahox> in konqueror
[15:29] <Shadoze> @ ahox, must be via a proxy?
[15:29] <ahox> Shadoze: yes, but only the http proxy
[15:30] <ahox> I have some very odd ftp error with http proxy enabled
[15:30] <blackflag> hot to change grfic driver on 9.04? Can someone help?
[15:30] <genii> ahox: You should instead just tell us the error instead .
[15:31] <ahox> Access denied to smb://ftp. (I did some time ago)
[15:31] <ahox> notice the smb
[15:31] <ahox> and the url is ftp://ftp
[15:31] <genii> ahox: You put for the proxy an URL beginning with smb://   ?
[15:32] <ahox> no, I only use a proxy for the http
[15:32] <ahox> my kioslaverc looks good, too
[15:33] <carolija> first i need to reboot comp
[15:34] <carolija> after purge  fglrx
[15:34] <Shadoze> yup
[15:34] <carolija> thats how say u r link
[15:34] <ahox> genii: no, the url i type is ftp://ftp
[15:34] <Shadoze> You do need to reboot, it's cool :)
[15:35] <carolija> Zorael:  is it also to remove fglrx   ? <Zorael> sudo aptitude purge ~nfglrx is the aptitude alternative.
[15:36] <Zorael> carolija: that will remove all installed packages containing "fglrx" in the package name
[15:36] <Shadoze> @ ahox i have a ftp directory but no proxy at hand :(
[15:36] <ahox> or rather ftp://ftp.ngdc.noaa.gov/
[15:36] <Zorael> carolija: It won't remove it from your xorg.conf though, just uninstall the packages
[15:36] <carolija> Zorael:  thank you
[15:36] <carolija> i did that one too
[15:37] <ahox> Shadoze: actually, try anything in the http proxy field
[15:37] <ahox> I still get the same error, even with an non-existent proxy
[15:37] <Shadoze> im connected and anon logged in fine
[15:38] <Shadoze> it did it via dolphin for me
[15:38] <Shadoze> @ carolija when you reboot fglrx *should* be gone
[15:38] <wee> hi All
[15:38] <ahox> Shadoze: mhm odd, it just doesn't work for me
[15:39] <carolija> Shadoze:  We will se now, i HOPE ! :)
[15:39] <ahox> Shadoze: Do you also have kde4.2.3?
[15:39] <Shadoze> @ carolija, hopefully! @ ahox erm sec
[15:39] <Shadoze> try accessing my ftp directory
[15:39] <Shadoze> ftp://91.121.87.12/
[15:39] <carolija> "Make sure "fglrx" is not listed in /etc/modules file. "
[15:40] <Shadoze> Yes. 4.2.3
[15:40] <carolija> pub ;p
[15:41] <EckiD> hey there, got a minor gui problem... does anybody know a way to remove the menu drop shadows in kde3 apps
[15:41] <Parrot> hey there, got a minor gui problem... does anybody know a way to remove the menu drop shadows in kde3 apps
[15:41] <Shadoze> yup :) though theres nothing in it :P
[15:41] <ahox> ok, now I am completly lost. I have a new kubuntu + update to 4.2.3 and I just created a new user - same problem,
[15:41] <Parrot> yup :) though theres nothing in it :P
[15:41] <Parrot> ok, now I am completly lost. I have a new kubuntu + update to 4.2.3 and I just created a new user - same problem,
[15:41] <Shadoze> Parrot is now leaving
[15:41] <carolija> I can open desktop now !
[15:42] <carolija> cant*
[15:42] <Parrot> Parrot is now leaving
[15:42] <Parrot> I can open desktop now !
[15:42] <Parrot> cant*
[15:42] <carolija> Shadoze:  should i go to root shell prompt ?
[15:42] <Parrot> Shadoze:  should i go to root shell prompt ?
[15:43] <carolija> Parrot:
[15:43] <Parrot> Parrot:
[15:43] <Shadoze> Yes carolija
[15:43] <Mamarok> Parrot: stop that!
[15:43] <Shadoze> Look at his hostname, clearly here to spam
[15:43] <Zorael> ./ignore Parrot :3
[15:44] <astromme> yep :)
[15:44] <astromme> same Zorael
[15:44] <Zorael> Is there a keybind to "show desktop"/hide all windows?
[15:44] <Parrot> Yes carolija
[15:44] <Parrot>  Parrot: stop that!
[15:44] <Zxcvb> I am trying to boot the kubuntu installer via loadlin, but the initrd.gz on the kubuntu CD gives up waiting for the root device
[15:45] <EckiD> i know of ctrl+12 to show the plasma widget dashboard
[15:45] <Zxcvb> the files at http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/jaunty/main/installer-i386/current/images/hd-media/ work, but are for ubuntu
[15:45] <Zorael> EckiD: Yeah, but I just want it to minimize all windows
[15:46] <Zorael> equavilent to meta/win+D in Windows
[15:46] <Shadoze> carolija, have you made sure fglrx is gone, or need help doing so?>
[15:46] <EckiD> also you may try to add the "Show the Desktop" widget and assign a shortcut by yourself
[15:47] <slow-motion> hi
[15:47] <EckiD> haven't tried though
[15:48] <carolija> Shadoze:  its in /usr/share and /var/lib/
[15:48] <Mamarok> Shadoze: I think he installed that driver twice from different sources
[15:48] <EckiD> Zorael: yeah, works on my machine
[15:49] <EckiD> slow-motion: hi
[15:49] <Shadoze> Oh dear
[15:49] <Shadoze> Hold up
[15:49] <slow-motion> hi EckiD
[15:49] <Zorael> EckiD: Exactly what I was looking for, forgot about the widget, thanks
[15:50] <Shadoze> @ carolija, what is in usr/share
[15:50] <EckiD> you're welcome
[15:50] <Shadoze> it isn't fglrx's documentation is it?
[15:50] <carolija> ys
[15:50] <carolija> yes Shadoze
[15:50] <Shadoze> /usr/share/doc/fglrx
[15:50] <carolija> ill show u
[15:50] <carolija> just  a sec
[15:50] <Shadoze> ok
[15:50] <Shadoze> i thought so
[15:51] <EckiD> does anyone know how to remove the 2d menu drop shadows of kde3 apps, using jaunty
[15:52] <carolija> Shadoze:   take a look http://paste.ubuntu.com/180424/
[15:53] <carolija> and  /usr/share/jockey/
[15:53] <Mamarok> that's normal
[15:53] <Mamarok> did you purge?
[15:53] <Mamarok> doc should have gone too then
[15:53] <carolija> yes i did Mamarok
[15:54] <carolija> now the link show next:  Make sure libgl1-mesa-glx and libgl1-mesa-dri are properly installed:
[15:54] <carolija> $ sudo apt-get install --reinstall libgl1-mesa-glx libgl1-mesa-dri
[15:54] <Shadoze> fglrx has to be gone before installing the free driver
[15:55] <Shadoze> or  you will run into trouble later on it the line
[15:55] <Shadoze> brb, grabbing a drink
[15:55] <carolija> ok
[15:57] <carolija> Mamarok:  can u tell me witch package to specify here please ?  carolija@s024:~$ sudo dpkg-reconfigure
[15:57] <carolija> [sudo] password for carolija:
[15:57] <carolija> /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: please specify a package to reconfigure
[15:58] <Mamarok> carolija: moment...
[15:58] <carolija> np
[15:58] <Mamarok> carolija: so fglrx is definitely gone?
[15:58] <Mamarok> and you installed the readeon driver?
[15:59] <Mamarok> carolija: else it makes not much sense to reconfigure the x server
[16:00] <Mamarok> carolija: ?
[16:02] <carolija> back, went for drink too
[16:02] <carolija> Mamarok:  listen now
[16:02] <Mamarok> carolija: answer my qestions above and focus
[16:02] <carolija> i mean look at this  http://paste.ubuntu.com/180424/
[16:02] <carolija> so i did locate  fglrx
[16:02] <carolija> and he find it on some places
[16:03] <carolija> so I cant tell 100% if it's gon
[16:03] <Mamarok> carolija: that's not a problem, these files should not disturb then
[16:03] <carolija> thats a problem
[16:03] <Mamarok> no it is not *Sigh*
[16:03] <carolija> ah, so than it's gone 100%
[16:03] <Shadoze> Nope, if i do locate fglrx, i get exactly the same result
[16:03] <Shadoze> Don't worry about them carol
[16:03] <Mamarok> carolija: and you have the correct driver installed now?
[16:04] <carolija> yes Mamarok
[16:04] <Mamarok> carolija: ok, the type the following:
[16:04] <Mamarok> sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[16:04] <Mamarok> then* even
[16:04] <shadeslayer> how do i install kde 4.3??
[16:04] <psi_> Hi, ive upgraded from Intrepid and i only have the shutdown-button - no restart?? Can i get it back anywhere?
[16:05] <carolija> Mamarok:  ok i got some warning now
[16:05] <shadeslayer> im on jaunty jackalope
[16:05] <Mamarok> carolija: what warning?
[16:05] <carolija> sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[16:05] <carolija> ups
[16:05] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: are you an experienced user? KDE 4.3 is still beta
[16:05] <carolija> carolija@s024:~$ sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[16:05] <carolija> xserver-xorg postinst warning: overwriting possibly-customised configuration
[16:05] <carolija>    file; backup in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.20090525170434
[16:05] <Mamarok> carolija: paste...
[16:06] <carolija> ah, also if it's 3 line, ok .. sorry
[16:06] <Mamarok> carolija: that is a normal warning, confirm
[16:06] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: using ubuntu for 5 months...i can handle smal problems...i like bleeding edge developments :)
[16:06] <carolija> ok, than
[16:06] <shadeslayer> *small
[16:06] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: there is not much support for it, so I warned you :)
[16:07] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: still want to go along?
[16:07] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: no problems...im thinking of shifting to karmic when alpha 2 is out :P
[16:07] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: definitels
[16:07] <carolija> :)
[16:07] <shadeslayer> *definitely
[16:07] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: ouch, that is not advisable on a productive system, alpha 2 will certainly break a lot of things
[16:08] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: also, there is not support for karmic here at all, advice given!
[16:08] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: this is not a production machine :P personal notebook :)
[16:08] <carolija> that is a chalange
[16:08] <Mamarok> carolija: did you configure then?
[16:08] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: #ubuntu+1 :)
[16:08] <carolija> yes Mamarok , i did it
[16:08] <Mamarok> ok, shadeslayer, let me get the repo for you
[16:08] <carolija> wait for nxt one
[16:08] <Shadoze> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1157594&page=2
[16:08] <carolija> next*
[16:08] <Shadoze> @ shade
[16:09] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: thanks :)
[16:09] <Chr|s> how do i get the LCD Weather widget to work? It wont find my city
[16:09] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: do you mind?
[16:09] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: sorry?
[16:09] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: sorry, wrong nick
[16:09] <Mamarok> Shadoze: do you mind?
[16:10] <Shadoze> I've had that up for ages, interested in doing it myself
[16:10] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: should i use Shadoze link??
[16:10] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: follow that link Shadoze has just given
[16:11] <Shadoze> @ Mamarok, sorry if it interupted you
[16:11] <Mamarok> Shadoze: ok, just don't do it, I can handle it alone
[16:11] <carolija> Mamarok:  what is next after sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg ? I wait to don't do again something stupid
[16:12] <Shadoze> ^^
[16:12] <carolija> I mean wait for advice
[16:12] <Mamarok> carolija: told you, restart your system :)
[16:12] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: um..how do i install that ppa?
[16:12] <Mamarok> oh, actually I didn't, done now :)
[16:12] <psi_> Hi, ive upgraded from Intrepid and i only have the shutdown-button - no restart?? Can i get it back anywhere?
[16:12] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: didn't you say you were experienced enough? *cough*
[16:13] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: yes but ppa's give out two links...no link for jaunty jackalope...
[16:13] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: http://ppa.launchpad.net/project-neon/ubuntu/dists/jaunty/
[16:13] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: the one of your distro, of course
[16:14] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: actually, that is not the correct ppa, was that in that link?
[16:14] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: let me get the right one, second
[16:14] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: i mean like...deb http ://...... and deb-src http://
[16:14] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: moment :)
[16:15] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: no problems
[16:15] <carolija> Mamarok:  reboot is done
[16:15]  * shadeslayer googles
[16:16] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: add the following to your /etc/apt/sources.list:
[16:16] <Mamarok> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/experimental/ubuntu jaunty main
[16:16] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: also, you will have to add the following key:
[16:16] <Mamarok> 8AC93F7A
[16:17] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: do you know how to add PPA keys?
[16:17] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: yes :P
[16:18] <Polyculture> does anybody have an idea how to remove the menu drop shadows of kde3 apps?
[16:18] <Mamarok> Polyculture: no, sry, I didn't use KDE3 in ages
[16:18] <Mamarok> Polyculture: but it's likely in the settings -> Appearance somewhere
[16:19] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: this is the key right?? http://ppa.launchpad.net/project-neon/ubuntu/dists/jaunty/Release.gpg
[16:19] <Shadoze> Poly
[16:19] <Shadoze> Are using kde 4 and want to remove drop shadows from kde3 apps?
[16:19] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: no, the one I gave you
[16:19] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: 2836cb0a8ac93f7a
[16:19] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: ok
[16:19] <Mamarok> see above
[16:20] <shadeslayer> 8AC93F7A
[16:20] <shadeslayer> got it
[16:20] <Polyculture> Mamarok: Seems there's no way to influence kde3 apps with the kde4 systemsettings
[16:20] <Mamarok> !nick | Shadoze
[16:20] <Mamarok> oops, wrong factoid
[16:20] <Polyculture> Shadoze: exactly
[16:20] <Shadoze> This may be of use
[16:20] <Shadoze> http://forum.kde.org/remove-menu-drop-shadow-from-kde3-apps-t-27830.html
[16:20] <Mamarok> Shadoze: use tab completion for nick names, half a nick will not highlight the person
[16:20] <Shadoze> It's marked as solved and they were having the same problem as you
[16:21] <shadeslayer> !tab
[16:21] <shadeslayer> ;)
[16:21] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: thx :)
[16:22] <Mamarok> carolija: how did it go?
[16:22] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: is the key 2836cb0a8ac93f7a or the 8AC one??
[16:22] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: that's the same :)
[16:22] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: ah..
[16:22] <Mamarok> read the end of the number :)
[16:23] <carolija> Mamarok:  I wait for the command because I am not sure wat I have to do after  sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg and reboot ?
[16:23] <shadeslayer> added
[16:23] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: kde-neon right??
[16:23] <carolija> that is done, now i have to confogur /etc/X11/xorg.conf ?
[16:23] <Mamarok> carolija: that was it, just start your system normally
[16:23] <carolija> ah so :)
[16:24] <Mamarok> carolija: no, the line I gave you did handle that
[16:24] <carolija> Mamarok: , thank you for your time man, and u to Shadoze :)
[16:24] <carolija> i will try the system now and let u know
[16:24] <Shadoze> If my tab key worked i would do that, but thanks for reinforming me
[16:25] <Mamarok> carolija: ok, give us feedback
[16:25] <Shadoze> gl carolija
[16:25] <carolija> yup i will
[16:25] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: uh caant find the package name
[16:26] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: what package name?
[16:26] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: kde4.3?? or will kde 4.2 be replaced ny 4.3??
[16:26] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: of course it will replace your current 4.2.2, what did you expect?
[16:26] <shadeslayer> ok got it nm
[16:26] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: seprate 4.3 install
[16:27] <Shadoze> Polyculture, was that person having the same problem as you then?
[16:27] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: no, that would indeed be Neon then which installs in a sandbox and doesn't touch your system
[16:27] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: just remove the PPA line I gave you and add the PPA from the wiki link then
[16:27] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: ok..no worries wit this too..as i have gnome+openbox+fluxbox ;)
[16:27] <shadeslayer> *with
[16:28] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: its fine
[16:28] <Polyculture> shadeslayer: thanks, found and tried before, but i made a crucial mistake...
[16:29] <carolija> Mamarok:  I have no desktop now
[16:29] <Mamarok> carolija: how that, no desktop?
[16:29] <carolija> its opend Xchat and Valknut but i see little icon of them
[16:29] <Polyculture> Shadoze: what prob?
[16:29] <carolija> nothing on the desktop, if i try right click nothing
[16:30] <carolija>  have just a default pic and those two little icon
[16:30] <Mamarok> what is Valknut?
[16:30] <carolija> that is like DC++
[16:30] <carolija> just for linux
[16:30] <carolija> and xchat the same
[16:31] <Shadoze> Polyculture, your window shadoz problem?
[16:31] <Shadoze> *w
[16:31] <carolija> Dubble click on that small icon and he open the program
[16:31] <Polyculture> yeah, right, got confused with nick names
[16:31] <Mamarok> carolija: and you did start KDE?
[16:32] <Polyculture> Shadoze: found the thread before, but had two lines starting with spaces in the config file
[16:32] <carolija> yes he start with KDE and now he is gone
[16:32] <carolija> ill try reboot
[16:32] <Polyculture> Shadoze:just removed them, now the kde3 shadows are gone
[16:33] <Shadoze> That's great news!
[16:33] <Mamarok> carolija: wait, try moving your current ~/.kde/ to .kde_old/ in your home folder, then start again
[16:33] <carolija> Mamarok:  ok ill try
[16:34] <Polyculture> Shadoz:yap, thanks for making me look over it again ;-)
[16:35] <Shadoze> Heh, you would have found it again anyway :P
[16:35] <Shadoze> Does anyone know if Quanta Plus is going to be ported to Kde 4
[16:35] <Shadoze> Well, it works fine in four but it had the kde3 style, ect..
[16:35] <Mamarok> Shadoze: they say so since quite some time, but as it is not even far from ready...
[16:37] <Shadoze> Damn, i've been using it for a while and it seems to be working ok for what i'm doind
[16:37] <Shadoze> Which is good atleast
[16:39] <carolija> Mamarok:  all is fine !
[16:39] <Mamarok> Shadoze: it will be gone in KDE 4.3 though
[16:39] <Mamarok> carolija: oh, great to hear that!!!
[16:39] <carolija> thank you Mamarok  again :)
[16:39] <Steve^> Hi, can we Print to Pdf?
[16:40] <Mamarok> carolija: you are welcome :)
[16:40] <Shadoze> Shoot, is there any alternatives that focus in docbook quite alot
[16:40] <Mamarok> carolija: just ry to fucous a bit more next time :)
[16:40] <Mamarok> focus* even
[16:40] <Shadoze> That's all im using quanta for, writing docbooks
[16:40] <Mamarok> Steve^: yes, of course
[16:40] <Polyculture> Steve^:sure
[16:41] <Steve^> How do I set it up?
[16:41] <Steve^> Its not a printer option like I've seen for Ubuntu
[16:41] <Polyculture> Steve^: in jaunty you should be able to select "print to file (pdf)" in the print dialog
[16:41] <Steve^> and the print to file options I find in Konqueror, Firefox or Opera are all a bit flaky
[16:42] <Mamarok> Steve^: depends from what application, open the print dialog and select printo to *.ps or *.pdf
[16:42] <Steve^> the printer list is empty
[16:42] <Mamarok> Steve^: well, you do not need a printer configured, as you will print to a file
[16:43] <Steve^> OpenOffice is so dreadful, I'm hoping to make files as HTML and print from there instead!
[16:44] <Mamarok> Steve^: html is not exactly a printer friendly format
[16:45] <Mamarok> Steve^: in OpenOffice you can export to PDF directly
[16:45] <Steve^> but I can't make the document look right
[16:45] <Mamarok> but you were asking if you could print to pdf
[16:45] <Steve^> its a terrible program
[16:45] <Mamarok> Steve^: works fine for me here
[16:45] <Mamarok> Steve^: what version of Kubuntu?
[16:45] <Steve^> The Opera print to file at least makes a text PDF, firefox makes an image
[16:46] <Steve^> but half of it is missing :*
[16:46] <Steve^> :(
[16:46] <Steve^> 9.04
[16:46] <Steve^> I'm making my CV, the layout needs to be compact and precise, OpenOffice cannot provide me with the flexibility that HTML does
[16:47] <Mamarok> Steve^: your choice, it still is not a printer friendly format
[16:47] <Mamarok> and don't judge from the printer preview, that doesn't give you WYSIWYG
[16:47] <Mamarok> only if you are in 100%
[16:47] <Steve^> true, which is why I'm hoping to PDF it
[16:48] <Shadoze> Anyone know why amarok might not be adding to my collection
[16:48] <Mamarok> Steve^: zoom in the print preview to 100% should show you the document correctly, I have no problems here to export to PDF
[16:48] <Steve^> Mamarok, in OpenOffice?
[16:48] <Mamarok> Shadoze: what version, what did you do to add?
[16:48] <Steve^> Shadoze, bad file format?
[16:49] <Shadoze> For example, i am playing an album and add another album by the same artist into the music folder, yet amarok will not pick it up, even if i rescan
[16:49] <Shadoze> Amarok 2.0.2
[16:49] <Shadoze> Hold up about th eformat
[16:49] <Mamarok> Steve^: yes, I always use the PDF export function for my invoices, as I have some graphics in it that print better on an external printer that can handle printing PDF directly
[16:49] <d3m3r5u5> Where is the playlist view in amarok 2?
[16:50] <Shadoze> Oh dear
[16:50] <Mamarok> Shadoze: all your tags set correctly?
[16:50] <Steve^> Mamarok, ok, I have no problems with that. But for example, I cannot set a different margin between list items than around the list itself
[16:50] <Shadoze> Something happened to the files inside that album
[16:50] <Shadoze> No wonder, there corrupted :S
[16:50] <Mamarok> Steve^: of course you can
[16:50] <Mamarok> d3m3r5u5: on the right
[16:51] <Steve^> Mamarok, yea?
[16:51] <carolija> Mamarok:  Ill take that advice  for sure :)
[16:51] <Mamarok> Steve^: yes, but not if you use the html format
[16:51] <Mamarok> carolija: what advice?
 carolija: just ry to fucous a bit more next time :)
[16:52] <carolija> that one:)
[16:52] <Mamarok> carolija: yeah, would spare us all a lot of time I guess :)
[16:52] <Steve^> I can make HTML pixel perfect - but I'd like to use OpenOffice if I could bend it to my will
[16:52] <carolija> Yea u r right...
[16:52] <Mamarok> Steve^: in OpenOffice you should do this in the writer, not in the html editor
[16:53] <Steve^> (OpenOffice has a HTML editor??)
[16:53] <Mamarok> Steve^: if you want professional layout though you should use scribus-ng
[16:53] <Barridus> uhhh, how do you search for files in kubuntu
[16:53] <Mamarok> Steve^: of course it has
[16:53] <Mamarok> Barridus: find in the command line or find in Dolphin
[16:54] <Barridus> oh it's in dolphin.  duh, thanks XD
[16:56] <Steve^> Mamarok, scribus is the equivalent to MS Publisher?
[16:56] <Mamarok> Steve^: yes, but the new one is called Scribus-ng
[16:58] <carolija> Why whan I open dolphin and i click on the Volume xt4 othr HDD I hav to give him root password ?
[16:58] <Shadoze> Secuirty reasons
[16:58] <carolija> he ask me for passwprd to use tha device
[16:58] <carolija> is there is som way to he dont ask me ?
[16:58] <Shadoze> Security, it will only ask once per session
[16:58] <carolija> some*
[16:58] <ActionParsnip> carolija: its mounted as root read/write only
[16:59] <Shadoze> I'm sure you can turn it off, but i wouldent recommend it ;)
[16:59] <carolija> yea mayb is beter like this
[16:59] <carolija> who know ...
[17:00] <ActionParsnip> just mount it properly and you'll be fine
[17:00] <carolija> KdeSudo
[17:00] <Shadoze> There is kde-sudo and normal sudo yes
[17:01] <Mamarok> carolija: kdesudo is only to start GUI apllications as root
[17:01]  * Mamarok needs a coffee now
[17:01] <Barridus> is there a way to get kde to automount usb drives on insertion?  it doesn't appear as though it does until you browse them
[17:01] <carolija> and what if i click on UNMOUNT ?
[17:02] <carolija> i mean on that HDD there is right click option "unmount"
[17:02] <ActionParsnip> Barridus: you can create an entry in fstab
[17:02] <dsmith_> why is /home/dsmith/Desktop not shown as THE desktop when one logs on on Kubuntu 9,04?
[17:03] <Barridus> ActionParsnip, that's the only way?
[17:03] <jussi01> dsmith_: it is on there as a folderview, no?
[17:03] <dsmith_> no
[17:03] <ActionParsnip> Barridus: its one way
[17:04] <Mamarok> Barridus: KDE 4.2.2. does so, but in Jaunty no more :(
[17:04] <jussi01> dsmith_: right click the desktop, click add widgets, drag folderview to the desktop
[17:04] <dsmith_> i downloaded a few files and they did not appear on the main desktop, they are buried on /home/dsmith/Desktop
[17:05] <jussi01> dsmith_: you may need to click on the wrench to set it to your desktop folder
[17:05] <BluesKaj> dsmith_, buried ? , whynot use folder or quickaccess view ?
[17:06] <dsmith_> yea buried, this double desktop thing doesn't make any sense
[17:06] <dsmith_> if I deploy this to windows converts they would be confused. heh
[17:06] <BluesKaj> ya don't need desktop
[17:06] <Barridus> Mamarok, ActionParsnip, that sucks.  thanks for the info though
[17:06] <dsmith_> ok jussi01 that worked
[17:07] <jussi01> dsmith_: excellent! :)
[17:07] <BluesKaj> i use both and desktop is last place to store stuff IMO , becomes much too cluttered after a while
[17:07] <dsmith_> but why do I need an extra folder thingy on my desktop already to show my desktop
[17:07] <tzanger> haha... now that I'm watching in top, it doesn't pause when unlocking
[17:08] <dsmith_> can this folder view be min?
[17:08] <tzanger> but Xorg and kscreensaver or something like that (kssaver_lock?) was the top CPU user processes
[17:08] <jussi01> dsmith_: its a new way of doing it. if you prefer, you can have the traditional desktop back
[17:08] <Oceanwatcher> I am looking for a plugin or tool that can find, let me compare and merge duplicates in the addressbook. Any ideas?
[17:08] <dsmith_> jussi01: ok, but could I minimize this folder view?
[17:08] <jussi01> dsmith_: with folderview,you can add several different folders to the desktop to be displayed
[17:08] <dsmith_> down to say an icon?
[17:09] <jussi01> dsmith_: no, its part of the desktop
[17:09] <Shadoze> jussi, how do you go abuo tgetting traditional desktop
[17:09] <dsmith_> ok... well I can resize it
[17:09] <Shadoze> you mentioned it not long ago ;)
[17:09] <jussi01> dsmith_: just repeat the proceedure to add another folder view if you want 2.
[17:10] <matty_> How can i set a default Look-Profile in Konqueror3?
[17:10] <dsmith_> and I can scroll with it
[17:10] <jussi01> Shadoze: right click the desktop, desktop settings, type: folder view
[17:10] <dsmith_> hmmmmmmmmmm
[17:11] <jussi01> dsmith_: when you have it looking how you want, you can lock it down with right click desktop, lock widgets
[17:11] <Shadoze> Oh i knew about folder view, i thought you were going to tell me like kde3 lol
[17:11] <jussi01> Shadoze: no... try it out - it makes the desktop like kde3
[17:11] <Steve^> Mamarok, I find it a bad start when I can't figure out how to add text to a table (Scribus-ng) :(
[17:11] <matty_> I want to load the Profile "Data" on every Konqueror Startup, how can i do that? Konqueror3
[17:12] <Shadoze> Aye jussi, but the rest if my desktop is just bare and empty
[17:12] <Shadoze> *of my even
[17:14] <jussi01> Shadoze: just like in kde3...
[17:16] <Shadoze> any idea how to strech it to be the whole desktop big
[17:16] <Shadoze> Just i cant seem to stretch it downwards
[17:18] <jussi01> Shadoze: move it to the bottom and strech upwards??
[17:18] <Mamarok> Steve^: it's professional publishing software, not an Office Suite
[17:18] <Shadoze> Nvm got it, you have to drag it right dwon to the botton, then stretch it up from there
[17:19] <tsimpson> Shadoze: you can set the entire desktop to folderview
[17:20] <Shadoze> Cheers for the help jussi01 , how to tsimpson?
[17:20] <Shadoze> At the moment its streched to take up the whole desktop
[17:21] <Steve^> Mamarok, so it shouldn't be user friendly?
[17:21] <Shadoze> Don't get me wrong i love the new widget idea, just eye candy on the desktop dosn't really have much appeal to me
[17:21] <Mamarok> Steve^: well, it's aimed at publishers who know their stuff
[17:23] <Mamarok> Steve^: usually, the text is added copy+paste from a text editor in publishing
[17:23] <tsimpson> something just killed X :s
[17:23] <draik> Hello everyone. I'm not sure what is happening, but my USB, much like my ethernet, times out and disconnects entirely. No warning or anything 'polite', just suddenly dies and I have to restart my computer.
[17:24] <p_quarles> draik: both events should leave some kind of record in dmesg, I would hope
[17:25] <draik> p_quarles: I'll plug in something to USB and see what happens. Doesn't seem like there is, but I'll double-check.
[17:26] <p_quarles> draik: you'll probably want to look back in the logs to the timeframe of the last problem you experienced
[17:28] <draik> p_quarles: I'm tailing 'dmesg' in hopes for something. I'll check back on it when it fails
[17:32] <Barridus> Shadoze, can't you downgrade to kde3?
[17:33] <Shadoze> I could just use Kubuntu 9.04 3.5 remix yes, but i want kde 4 to move forward
[17:33] <bartskde2> when I reboot into my kde desktop I lose sound until I log out, then into gnome, then back out and back into kde 4.2 any idea what happened?
[17:33] <Mamarok> Barridus: "downgrade" is not officially supported, there are instructions around to change though
[17:34] <Mamarok> Shadoze: you will get used to it very fast, I wouldn't miss it anymore
[17:34] <Shadoze> I mean whilst i really do miss the desktop style of 3.5 i may have to get used to it first
[17:35] <Shadoze> yeah, the only thing is that i'm not really interested in eye candy on my desktop
[17:35] <Shadoze> I mean i scroll through the widgets, alot of them are eye candy
[17:35] <Mamarok> Shadoze: then don't use it
[17:36] <Mamarok> Shadoze: I don't have much eyecandy here neither
[17:36] <Mamarok> I don't even use many Desktop Effects
[17:36] <draik> Does someone here know about the 'find' command? I keep getting an error about my '-exec' entry.
[17:37] <Barridus> Shadoze, yeah i'm with you.  a lot of the widgets take up more space than they need to as well
[17:37] <Mamarok> draik: what are you trying to do?
[17:37] <Mamarok> Barridus: come on, you can resize all the widgets
[17:37] <Barridus> i know that
[17:37] <Shadoze> One thing i never understood
[17:37] <Barridus> you're missing the point tho
[17:37] <Shadoze> Was the clock widget
[17:37] <Shadoze> Why?
[17:38] <Shadoze> I can look in the right hand corner, thanks
[17:38] <Barridus> they still have 14% "dead" space on the edges etc
[17:38] <draik> Mamarok: Trying to find large files. Gimme a sec to get the full string.
[17:38] <Mamarok> Shadoze: because I can add it to the screensaver and see the time even with everything else blanked out
[17:38] <Barridus> or fonts that become unreadable at small size and you can't change it to a more clear small font
[17:39] <Mamarok> Barridus: read planetkde.org?
[17:39] <Mamarok> Barridus: Nuno has given some great advice about fonts, no problems here at all :)
[17:39] <draik> Mamarok:      cd ~ ; find . -size '+10000k' -exec ls -alh {} \
[17:39] <erik_> Hi, does anybody know about issues with X-forwarding and qt designer in kubuntu 8.10?
[17:39] <Mamarok> draik: oops, never used that on command line
[17:39] <Shadoze> I didn;t know that screensaver way
[17:40] <draik> Mamarok: Where have you used it?
[17:40] <Mamarok> draik: I use find in Dolphin :)
[17:40] <Mamarok> draik: or just for one or two files, not many
[17:41] <draik> Mamarok: Oh. OK. Thanks.
[17:41] <slow-motion> bye
[17:41] <Shadoze> Lol
[17:41] <Shadoze> http://i41.tinypic.com/14klmib.jpg
[17:41] <Shadoze> Silly, eh?
[17:41] <Mamarok> draik: but man find might give you more input about that
[17:41] <draik> Well, I have to get ready for work. Have a great day/night everyone.
[17:42] <draik> Mamarok: Tried that. Not much use with their example either.
[17:42] <Mamarok> Shadoze: that really looks silly and windows-like
[17:42] <Mamarok> draik: why not use the gui part in Dolphin then? It can more than just search for a file :)
[17:43] <Shadoze> I know it looks silly but i can't see an alternate
[17:44] <Shadoze> Im always using my desktop as a drag, drop, copy, cut, paste ect.. centre
[17:44] <tsimpson> Shadoze: you can set the entire desktop to folderview from Right-Click -> Appearance Settings
[17:45] <Shadoze> Wow, tsimpson, so you can thanks!
[17:45] <Shadoze> I didn't know of this feature
[17:45] <tsimpson> it's been there since 4.2.0
[17:46] <Shadoze> Was it beacuse of people asking about if previously?
[17:47] <erik_> I don't get window decorations for qt designer via ssh -X, while it works for other applications and also works for qt designer in local mode
[17:47] <tsimpson> it was always going to be an option, just wasn't ready until 4.2
[17:48] <Barridus> Shadoze, i do the same, i just use/need less real estate for it
[17:50] <Barridus> besides, it seems like the add new widgets feature is partially broken :p
[17:51] <Mamarok> Shadoze: look at that one: http://myriam.kollide.net/mydesktop.png
[17:51] <Shadoze> http://i44.tinypic.com/28qx3c8.jpg
[17:52] <Shadoze> I know, the icons are a little wonky, but working on it ;)
[17:52] <Shadoze> Alright ill take a look
[17:52] <Shadoze> Heh mamarok , your screen resolution is alot bigger than mine
[17:52] <Shadoze> Don't think that would work on a 1024 x 768 monitor ;)
[17:52] <Barridus> hmm is that just an oversized show folder widget?  or did you do something i am not aware of Shadoze
[17:53] <Barridus> hell of a lot bigger than my resolution too XD  *pats netbook*
[17:53] <Mamarok> Shadoze: well, yes, but besides that, it looks like a vanilla KDE 4.3 should look like, plus 2
[17:53] <Mamarok> widgets
[17:54] <Mamarok> it's a Lenovo W500...
[17:54] <Shadoze> Barridus what do you mean by my icons?
[17:54] <Shadoze> Heh i've been meaning to get a new monitor for a long time
[17:54] <Shadoze> Just havn't eve got round to it
[17:54] <Barridus> Shadoze, i don't see the usual border around the "desktop space"
[17:54] <Barridus> like you can see in mine http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i44/solidus0079/snapshot3.png
[17:55] <Barridus> ahhh what the heck i just realized looking at the screen shot my calculator widget poofed.  XD
[17:55]  * Mamarok likes the vanilla look best
[17:56] <Mamarok> but I have other stuff on the other activity
[17:56] <Shadoze> Ahh barridus do you mean the border of folder view?
[17:56] <erik_> anyone?
[17:56] <Barridus> Shadoze, yeah
[17:56] <Shadoze> Well, i like the default look too, just i'm getting a little sick of blue blue blue ;)
[17:56] <Shadoze> Oh, tsimpson guided me earlier into turning folder view into your desktop
[17:56] <Barridus> Shadoze, better than orange orange orange brown :p
[17:57] <Shadoze> if you right click your desktop and go to appearance settings
[17:57] <Shadoze> desktop activity > type > folder view
[17:57] <Shadoze> barridus, there giving more themes in karmic koala anyhow
[17:58] <Shadoze> They said whilst brown has served them well, the koala likes other colours too :P
[17:58] <Barridus> yeah i saw that heh
[17:58] <Shadoze> And if you've ever held a koala in real life too, you'll realise just how much they stink too
[17:59] <Barridus> Shadoze, so maybe brown is appropriate
[17:59] <Shadoze> Yes, to put it midley, when holding them you soon realise there bathroom is there body
[17:59] <Shadoze> But enough of that, it;s been delightfull enough as it is >.<
[18:00] <Barridus> ugh heh
[18:01] <Shadoze> Hehe :P
[18:01] <Shadoze> The new kde theme looks pretty swish
[18:02] <Mamarok> Shadoze: I use other wallpapers in the other activities
[18:02] <Shadoze> This theme, looks nice
[18:02] <Shadoze> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/54/KDE_4.png/800px-KDE_4.png
[18:02] <Mamarok> Shadoze: try setting another activity and add the activity bar widget on both to switch
[18:03] <Shadoze> I set wallpapers based on my mood
[18:03] <Barridus> looks sorta like glassified theme
[18:03] <Mamarok> Shadoze: well, that's what activities are for, switch when your mood changes :)
[18:04] <Mamarok> erik_: sorry, we overread you, car asking your question again?
[18:04] <Mamarok> about windows decorations for Qtdesigner?
[18:05] <Barridus> i'm pretty boring i guess, i'm using oxygen theme, no desktop effects, openbox windows manager, and only 1 desktop workspace
[18:05] <Shadoze> Ooh, that activity switcher is pretty switch ;)
[18:05] <Mamarok> Shadoze, Barridus we should take this discussion to -offtopic I'd say
[18:05] <Mamarok> !ot
[18:05] <Barridus> what do you mean by activity?
[18:06] <Shadoze> very true ther
[18:06] <Shadoze> *there
[18:06] <Mamarok> Barridus: click on the cashew shaped icon on the upper right and zoom out
[18:06] <Mamarok> then you can add an activity
[18:06] <Barridus> zoom out?
[18:06] <Barridus> i don't have that option
[18:07] <Barridus> i have deskop effects off and i'm not using kwin, maybe that's why
[18:08] <Shadoze> Possible, for me it's at the very bottom of widget selector
[18:09] <Barridus> ok nevermind, it's there now.   odd.
[18:09] <erik_> any idea on where I should post my question if not to this channel?
[18:11] <Barridus> not sure, erik_.  but then it's community support sometimes you get different people with different knowledge at different times of the day
[18:11] <Mamarok> erik_: ask in #kde-devel
[18:11] <Mamarok> erik_: that's the most likely place to get hold of some Qt guys
[18:19] <cumulus007> Are the KDE 4.3 packages already in the kubuntu-experimental for jaunty?
[18:20] <Unksi> yep
[18:20] <cumulus007> great :)
[18:20] <Unksi> there are some problems with them, though
[18:20] <Unksi> like flash not having any sound
[18:20] <Polyculture_> cumulus007:I'd recommend project neon
[18:21] <cumulus007> Well, I just wanted to ask about those problems...
[18:21] <cumulus007> I did an upgrade on my testing system and now my whole desktop is messed up
[18:21] <cumulus007> my desktop is coevered with a black board
[18:21] <cumulus007> widgets act weird
[18:21] <Polyculture_> cumulus007: you get a seperated install and can use the stable packages from the standrard repo parallely
[18:21] <Unksi> nothing like that here though^
[18:22] <cumulus007> has neon jaunty repos? The last time I checked it, they were not available
[18:23] <Polyculture_> cumulus007: check out https://launchpad.net/~project-neon/+archive/ppa for instance
[18:23] <cumulus007> cool, jaunty is available.. thanks :)
[18:24] <Polyculture_> cumulus007: got to install "kde-nightly", but it sounds like you know
[18:24] <cumulus007> I do, I've done this before
[18:24] <Polyculture_> cumulus007: enjoy
[18:24] <cumulus007> thanks :)
[18:36] <darkham> help with anyremote, please!!!!!
[18:38] <Mamarok> darkham: patience!
[18:38] <Mamarok> !ask | darkham
[18:39] <darkham> Mamarok: ok, i only need help, and anyremote is a software not so popular....
[18:39] <darkham> Mamarok: i've fear of indifference by users!
[18:40] <ghizzle> whats goin on pplz?
[18:40] <Mamarok> darkham: calm down, and be patient
[18:40] <Mamarok> !puctuation | darkham
[18:41] <Mamarok> !punctuation | darkham
[18:41] <Mamarok> ghido yu need help?
[18:41] <Mamarok> arghs, bad day...
[18:42] <ubuntu_> BOAS
[18:43] <genii> !pt | ubuntu_
[18:45] <Mamarok> darkham: you still haven't told us the problem you have
[18:47] <lovre> any1 here?
[18:47] <lovre> i need help, quick
[18:47] <lovre> who has kword?
[18:47] <genii> !enter
[18:47] <Mamarok> lovre: !ask
[18:47] <Mamarok> lovre: pateince is a virtue :)
[18:48] <lovre> Mamarok: i need a file to be converted to PDF, quickly, please, it needs to be open from KWord
[18:48] <darkham> Mamarok: ok, my bluetooth installation are ok, i can receive and send file to my nokia N70, i installed anyremote, i set .cfg files in server mode (is the only way of N70 for work with anyremote) i installed the cliend java on the phone, but when i search the pc froma the client, i find 1 something, but i dont' display anything. i tried inserting in the client the bt address but dont' works
[18:48] <darkham> what can i do?
[18:48] <lovre> http://www.sendspace.com/file/mqodxo
[18:48] <Mamarok> lovre: stop saying quick, that will not speed up things
[18:48] <lovre> Mamarok: http://www.sendspace.com/file/mqodxo
[18:48] <genii> !info anyremote
[18:48] <genii> Hm.
[18:48] <lovre> Mamarok: please convert that to PDF and upload back
[18:49] <Mamarok> lovre: no, you can do that yourself, just use openoffice for it, that works fine
[18:49] <lovre> Mamarok: please do it, something is wrong with mine, it just wont, i have to send it in 10 minutes
[18:49] <lovre> Mamarok: just do it
[18:50] <genii> darkham: There seems omething on the subject here: http://start.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=7026399
[18:50] <Zxcvb_lap> how long should it take to install 9.04 off of a usb 1.1 drive?
[18:51] <Mamarok> lovre: I simply can't, this is my work PC, I will not download any stuff on it
[18:51] <darkham> genii: thanx, but bluetooth is the only way i can use it
[18:54] <Shadoze> Lovre, rudeness dosn't get you anywhere
[18:54] <Shadoze> but here
[18:54] <Shadoze> http://www.2shared.com/file/5949979/ef1bbdee/2dz.html
[18:54] <Mamarok> Shadoze: I will certianly not do that, I'm not his secretary
[18:55] <Mamarok> Shadoze: he is gone anyway
[18:56] <Shadoze> Exactly :( Addressing people nicely certainly gets you very far here, and in rea life too
[18:57] <Shadoze> Brb, getting a drink :)
[19:00] <afeijo> how can I share some folders to windows stations?
[19:02] <BluesKaj> !samba | afeijo
[19:03] <afeijo> BluesKaj: I want to share my files, not mount a windows shared. Samba do both ways?
[19:03] <BluesKaj> afeijo, yes
[19:04] <BluesKaj> read futher afeijo...you'll see what it does
[19:12] <Zxcvb_lap> if you have both kde and gnome installed, how do you select which one to run by default?
[19:14] <Mamarok> Zxcvb: on startup in kdm/gdm, select the session from the menu
[19:14] <Barridus> what version of 'buntu are you running?  jaunty?
[19:16] <rompstar> hi there, when I log into Gnome X, I wanted to start Service to see what is running and that gives me an error "You are not allowed to access the system configuration".  I tried running as root and normal user, same error, 9.04
[19:17] <rompstar> So I can't see Services, I need to turn on Apache to run at boot
[19:17] <rompstar> anyone here ?
[19:18] <tdn> When I use my laptop with kubuntu 9.04 running on battery, I get a notice box saying something along the lines of: "Composite was too slow, so it is disabled..." I cannot read it all, because it disappears too quickly. Why is this? How do I enable composite again? How do I prevent it from being disabled like this?
[19:21] <Mamarok> tdn: you can still click on the notification icon (blu with the white i) to get it back
[19:21] <Mamarok> blue*
[19:21] <tdn> Mamarok, as I wrote, the notification disappears before I can read it.
[19:21] <Mamarok> tdn: running on battery with compositing is not a good idea, as the battery profile runs a slower CPU speed
[19:22] <tdn> Mamarok, Alt+Shift+F12 enables it again.
[19:22] <Mamarok> tdn: it remains in the panel notification
[19:22] <Mamarok> tdn: that I know, but the notification should still be there unless you remove it
[19:22] <tdn> Mamarok, I know, but *I* want to decide if I need it. *I* want to be able to configure if I want it to be disabled on battery.
[19:22] <tdn> Mamarok, I did not remove anything.
[19:22] <tdn> I don't know where to see panel notifications.
[19:23] <Mamarok> tdn: then change the CPU speed when on battery
[19:23] <Mamarok> tdn: there is an icon next to the panel
[19:24] <zer0o> hi guys do u know any mame emulator for kubuntu? an easily installable one with lots of games included? thanks
[19:31] <ubuntu> Buenas
[19:32] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: you there??
[19:33] <ubuntu> ophwesiphw
[19:33] <ubuntu> pim pam pim pam
[19:33] <genii> !es | ubuntu
[19:37] <christian_> any1 knows, how to reset kickoff's entries / rollback deleted submenus? would be pleased :)
[19:39] <hitmouse> Hi, I've installed Jaunty but I'm having Font problems. Does anyone know if BCI is enabled or disabled in 9.04? thanks
[19:45] <christian_> Hi, anyone knows, how rollback kickoff's submenu(s), becaus i deleted one, i think, and don't know how to recreate it correctly with menu editor
[19:45] <slowhoe> hi
[19:45] <slowhoe> why doesent xinit work?
[19:45] <slowhoe> after ctrl alt F2
[19:45] <slowhoe> i dont want a window manager.
[19:46] <slowhoe> just xinit
[19:50] <CoJaBo-Aztec> Is there a program to use for printing multiple photos?
[19:50] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: here!
[19:53] <drbobb> hello, I'm having some slight issues with wireless: overall it works, but there seems to be a problem at wakeup from suspend
[19:54] <drbobb> the busy indicator on the nm-applet spins for a couple of minutes, then it asks me for the wpa password. It looks as if the password storage facility wasn't working?
[19:55] <drbobb> When I type in the password (once again), it connects and continues to work rather reliably
[19:55] <agor> hey, im having a problem with rubygems, I have tried installing rubygems, rubygems1.8 and rubygems1.9 - but when I type 'gem' in the terminal it just tells me that I can get 'gem' from rubygems1.8 or rubygems1.9... How can I solve this?
[19:56] <slowhoe> xinit doesent work.
[19:58] <Rojwan> Hello, is there a tutorial for setting up new hardware on Kubuntu (namely, a Wifi card)?
[19:58] <slowhoe> Rojwan: wifi sucks on linux.
[19:59] <Rojwan> Ah, I absolutely need it to work for the OS to be any good whatsoever...
[19:59] <Rojwan> Is it really difficult?
[20:00] <Mamarok> Rojwan: did you chek if the card is supported on Linux?
[20:00] <christian_> Hi, anyone knows, how rollback kickoff's submenu(s), becaus i deleted one, i think, and don't know how to recreate it correctly with menu editor
[20:00] <Mamarok> christian_: right click on the menu icon -> open the menu editor
[20:01] <Rojwan> I haven't checked. Where can I find a list of supported devices?
[20:01] <christian_> Mamarok: okay and then =)
[20:01] <endial> Ok this is my first day on Linux and I have no idea what to do, Anyone feel like taking a Full blown Windows guy under thier wing and converting me?  I just need to know the basics just enough to get me to where I know what I need to look up to figure out things on my own.
[20:01] <Mamarok> Rojwan: google for your card with the name and Linux or Kubuntu as option
[20:01] <rompstar> hi there
[20:01] <Rojwan> Okay.
[20:02] <Mamarok> endial: we do support for specific questions here
[20:02] <rompstar> my external USB drive is very slow
[20:02] <rompstar> raymond@dragonfly:~$ sudo hdparm -tT /dev/sdb1
[20:02] <rompstar> /dev/sdb1:
[20:02] <rompstar>  Timing cached reads:     2 MB in  2.03 seconds = 1008.30 kB/sec
[20:02] <rompstar>  Timing buffered disk reads:    4 MB in  4.12 seconds = 993.39 kB/sec
[20:02] <Mamarok> christian_: add a submenu
[20:02] <rompstar> was thinking to check driver, I get this message
[20:02] <rompstar> modprobe ehci_hcd
[20:02] <Mamarok> then drag that submenu into the menu you want it in
[20:02] <rompstar> raymond@dragonfly:~$ modprobe ehci_hcd
[20:02] <rompstar> FATAL: Module ehci_hcd not found
[20:03] <rompstar> not sure what to do, help.
[20:03] <Mamarok> !paste | rompstar
[20:03] <rompstar> cool
[20:03] <rompstar> I'll check it ot
[20:03] <rompstar> out
[20:03] <Mamarok> rompstar: that was an advice on how to past things in the channel...
[20:03] <christian_> Mamarok: na i found a submenu point "reset system preconf" (in german "systemvoreinstellungen wiederherstellen")
[20:04] <slowhoe> why isn't the madwifi driver in the repos ?
[20:04] <Mamarok> christian_: well, use that then :)
[20:04] <endial> How can I get an application that used to work in Windows to work in Kubuntu?  Mainly World of Warcraft
[20:04] <rompstar> any idea on my slow USB hard drive problem ?
[20:04] <christian_> Mamarok: you know where i can find the kpackagekit icon? =)
[20:04] <Rojwan> Okay, the driver for my Wifi card is well-known and supported. But I'm not sure I understand the note on the site. It reads: Note: The iwlwifi driver has been merged into mainline kernel since 2.6.24. If you are using kernels after this release, please use the intree (drivers/net/wireless/iwlwifi) driver directly. After 2.6.26 the intree driver iwlagn also supports the new 5100BG, 5100ABG,...
[20:04] <Rojwan> ...5100AGN, 5300AGN and 5350AGN series hardwares.
[20:05] <Rojwan> from: http://intellinuxwireless.org/
[20:05] <Mamarok> christian_: right click on the app, properties, icon then you can choose it from the applications part
[20:05] <slowhoe> i did all this. and it doesent even work. http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-get-atheros-ar5007eg-or-ar242x-wireless-cards-may-be-other-models-working-in-ubuntu-810-intrepid-ibex.html
[20:06] <Mamarok> Rojwan: did you just try to plugin your card to see if it's seen?
[20:06] <christian_> Mamrok: ah ty :) bb
[20:07] <Mamarok> ok, who is next?
[20:07] <rompstar> me
[20:07] <rompstar> !
[20:07] <rompstar> :-)
[20:07] <Rojwan> It was plugged in since before I installed Kubuntu, and still is. But I didn't spot it anywhere. I'll reboot under Linux and double-check.
[20:07] <Mamarok> endial: what was your first question again?
[20:07] <Mamarok> rompstar: no, you cam later :)
[20:07] <ikonia> rompstar: what's up
[20:07] <rompstar> how do I install a drive ? modprobe ehci_hcd
[20:07] <rompstar> my usb drive is very slow
[20:07] <ikonia> rompstar: as in a disk drive ? or a kernel module "driver"
[20:08] <rompstar> my external USB  hard drive is very slow and wanted to speed it up I think I need that ehci_hcd driver installed, moudle
[20:08] <rompstar> not expert
[20:08] <endial> I would like to get some type of Apt to let me install World of warcraft Pretty much thats the only thing I can't do on linux as of right now
[20:08] <endial> That I need to do that is...
[20:09] <slowhoe> how do i install linux-backports-modules-jaunty
[20:09] <ikonia> rompstar: ok, so if you do an "lsmod" do you see any other ehci drivers ?
[20:09] <Mamarok> endial: I never installed WoW on Linux, you will either have to goolge or check the forums, as this is not a regular app supported here
[20:09] <Mamarok> endial: unless somebody knows how to guide you
[20:09] <endial> ok thank
[20:09] <rompstar> ikonia: see: http://paste.ubuntu.com/180607/
[20:09] <Mamarok> endial: yaw :)
[20:10] <rompstar> i don't see it
[20:10] <Mamarok> who is next?
[20:10] <ikonia> rompstar: can you modprobe it ?
[20:10] <rompstar> no I get error
[20:10] <rompstar> modprobe ehci_hcd
[20:10] <rompstar> FATAL: Module ehci_hcd not found.
[20:11] <rompstar> my backs up painfully slow
[20:11] <rompstar> that's why I am trying to figure this ouyt
[20:13] <rompstar> ikonia: was trying to follow instructions from this web site, to fix it, but don't work http://ocaoimh.ie/2009/05/07/ubuntu-linux-slow-external-usb-drive/
[20:13] <ikonia> rompstar: ooh, is that module no longer available in ubuntu, hang on
[20:13] <rompstar> I am not sure
[20:13] <rompstar> I am running 9.04
[20:14] <slowhoe> how do i make madwifi work
[20:14] <slowhoe> why does my wifi card work on backtrack but not kubuntu
[20:16] <ikonia> rompstar: be with you in 2 seconds
[20:16] <ikonia> rompstar: modprobe uhci_hcd have you tried that ?
[20:16] <ikonia> and I of course assume you're using sudo
[20:16] <murry> has any one played 'cultivation'?
[20:16] <Mamarok> slowhoe: what is your wifi card?
[20:17] <Mamarok> murry: no, sorry
[20:17] <rompstar> ikonia: yes I get an error
[20:17] <ikonia> rompstar: module not found ?
[20:17] <rompstar> yes using sudo
[20:17] <rompstar> sudo modprobe uhci_hcd
[20:17] <rompstar> FATAL: Module uhci_hcd not found.
[20:18] <ikonia> I wonder if that modules been removed, I don't think so, but it seems odd that you can't find it
[20:18] <rompstar> maybe, it's from a backup restore, I am still leanring, so maybe I didn't copy something, how do I install the driver ?
[20:19] <rompstar> where is the driver, location ?
[20:19] <rompstar> normally?
[20:19] <ikonia> rompstar: /lib/$kernel
[20:19] <ikonia> rompstar: thats the base
[20:19] <rompstar> so when I backup, should I backup /lib too ?
[20:19] <ikonia> rompstar: give me 5 minutes got to pop away from desk, I'll look on my laptop while I'm away
[20:20] <rompstar> thanks!, going to heat up some food
[20:20] <rompstar> brb
[20:21] <slowhoe> Mamarok: Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR242x 802.11abg Wireless PCI Express Adapter
[20:22] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: im getting problems with kbuildsycoca4
[20:23] <tzanger> interesting
[20:23] <tzanger> with top running my screen saver unlock never "hangs" for a few seconds
[20:24] <tzanger> I wonder if something's going into deep power savings and thus causing the lag, but *seconds* ? that is highly weird
[20:24] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: explain
[20:24] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: i log in and wham it shows a debug error...il paste the output
[20:25] <Mamarok> shadeyes, please -> pastebin
[20:25] <agor> Hey! I've been wanting to learn ruby for a while now, can anyone recommend a book or online resource? :)
[20:25] <agor> woops
[20:25] <agor> hey, im having a problem with rubygems, I have tried installing rubygems, rubygems1.8 and rubygems1.9 - but when I type 'gem' in the terminal it just tells me that I can get 'gem' from rubygems1.8 or rubygems1.9... How can I solve this?
[20:26] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: i know :)
[20:26] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: http://paste.ubuntu.com/180620/
[20:27] <Mamarok> slowhoe: did you check these instructions here: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-get-atheros-ar5007eg-or-ar242x-wireless-cards-may-be-other-models-working-in-ubuntu-810-intrepid-ibex.html
[20:27] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: from a terminal http://paste.ubuntu.com/180621/
[20:28] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: you are running what now? still KDE 4.2.2?
[20:28] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: no..i cant even start KDE :P im in GNOME right now
[20:28] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: why do you get these errors in Gnome? what application do you try to run?
[20:29] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: no the first paste is exactly the one when i log in KDE, the secnd one is one when i run $ kbuildsycoca4
[20:29] <Mamarok> agor: care asking in #kde-ruby?
[20:29] <shadeslayer> in terminal in gnome
[20:29] <agor> Mamarok: sure
[20:30] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: you can not run kbuildsycoca4 in Gnome :)
[20:30] <ilkin> hi
[20:30] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: why can't you log into KDE anymore, what did you do?
[20:30] <ilkin> how to delete all .bak files in the system?
[20:30] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: i know .... just thought it would help since the backtrace seemed useless
[20:31] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: i updated and upgraded....logged out...restarted X...selected KDE and then that error
[20:31] <Mamarok> ilkin: open Dolphin, then 'Find file' in the Dolphin Edit Menu and check for *.bak in your folder, you can then remove all the shown files
[20:31] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: http://anotherubuntu.blogspot.com/2009/02/air-and-kde-43.html this blog teases me :)
[20:32] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: updated to KDE 4.3 beta or did you just install Neon?
[20:32] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: 4.3 beta
[20:32] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: now i think ill install neon too :P
[20:32] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: and you have finished all the installation, nothing went wrong, no files missing?
[20:33] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: yes...nothing missisng...although there was one error about kdepim not being setup i ran the update again and it installed
[20:33] <ilkin> Mamarok: if they are readonly? is it possible to do this from terminal?
[20:34] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: ok, now, before logging into KDE, try moving your ~/.kde/ to ~/.kde_old/
[20:34] <Mamarok> restart KDE then
[20:34] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: done...
[20:34] <shadeslayer> Mamarok:should i be deleting .kde??
[20:35] <shadeslayer> then logging a=in again
[20:35] <Mamarok> ilkin: yes, but you should not touch *.bak files in system folders!
[20:35] <evlgamer> i just got done with a fresh install of kubuntu 9.10, how do i install firefox?
[20:35] <Mamarok> ilkin: only remove those in your home folder and subfolders
[20:35] <shadeslayer> evlgamer: #ubuntu+1 for karmic
[20:35] <evlgamer> shadeslayer: ?
[20:35] <ilkin> upss...you are late) I already deleted all bak files)
[20:35] <shadeslayer> evlgamer: 9.10 is karmic koala...next version
[20:36] <shadeslayer> !ubuntu+1
[20:36] <Mamarok> elvthere is no support for karmic here, go to #ubuntu+1
[20:36] <Rojwan> Hi Mamarok, it's about the Wifi install issue. It seems the drivers have been 'merged into mainline kernel', but I can't see where to begin, to get it recognised and working.
[20:36] <shadeslayer> hmm that needs updating
[20:36] <jussi01> Rojwan: which card?
[20:36] <Mamarok> Rojwan: I think they explain how to do so in that article, no?
[20:36] <Rojwan> It's Intel® PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection adapter
[20:37] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: brb hopefully  :)
[20:37] <Mamarok> !karmic
[20:37] <Rojwan> Mamarok: It doesn't seem so. Maybe I'm not looking at the right place.
[20:38] <ilkin> one thing else.... i have tried to upgrade system however during installation I cancelled process...so now my hard drive is full)
[20:38] <evlgamer> sorry i meant kubuntu 9.04
[20:38] <Mamarok> Rojwan: moved to the kernel means it's supported b default, you might have to activate a kernel module then
[20:38] <ilkin> How to return it to initial state
[20:38] <ilkin> ?
[20:38] <Mamarok> evlgamer: sudo apt-get install firefox
[20:38] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: nope...error
[20:38] <Rojwan> Mamarok: So I assume there is no equivalent of Window's 'Device Manager'?
[20:39] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: should i PM the backtrace since im in a tty
[20:39] <Mamarok> ilkin: first you delete stuff without thinking then you want it restored?
[20:40] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: you can direct the output into a text file and pastebin it later
[20:40] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: ok...i didnt want to logout and relogin
[20:41] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: gah...it hung up :(
[20:41] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: just start Gnome in tty7, then go back to the other tty
[20:41] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: what error do you get? Give me the last two lines
[20:42] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: i have X in tty7 and i have only 3 tty's
[20:42] <shadeslayer> ok
[20:42] <Rojwan> Is there any place I can go to 'see' the Wifi card? Anything like a device manager?
[20:42] <ilkin> Mamarok, if you are about bak files-they were not deleted,,,when it comes to upgrade there 760 M to be downloaded from internet to accomplish upgradem, that is why I cancelled process
[20:42] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: its hung up :P , i can only paste the whole error now :) ill paste it in #paste ok??
[20:43] <Mamarok> ilkin: what upgrade are you talking about?
[20:43] <shadeslayer> Rojwan: lspci
[20:43] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: yes please
[20:43] <ilkin> Kubuntu version update
[20:43] <ilkin> from Adept
[20:43] <Rojwan> shadeslayer: Where do I find that in Kubuntu?
[20:44] <jussi01> Rojwan: just type it into terminal....
[20:44] <Rojwan> Okay thanks
[20:45] <Mamarok> ilkin: what version update, to 9.04?
[20:46] <ilkin> I have determined thaT size of home folder is 6.5 G while sum of its constituent folder and files is just 1.5 G
[20:46] <ilkin> from 8.04 to 8.10
[20:46] <rg__> anyone know how to increase the verbosity for the xorg log file? i'm trying to understand why my custom modeline doesn't work
[20:46] <Mamarok> ilkin: and what is the problem now?
[20:47] <Mamarok> rg__: there's nothing in there anymore, check the xorg.log in /var/log/
[20:48] <rg__> Mamarok: that's the one i'm talking about. there has to be some way to make it more verbose
[20:48] <Mamarok> rg__: that is verbose :)
[20:49] <ilkin> I found))) everything was due to Strigi caching
[20:49] <ilkin> it took all drive memory
[20:49] <endial> Well I have hit a road block I cant find a way to install wine on here
[20:51] <rg__> Mamarok: it's not explaining why my VGA connector isn't displaying the resolutions. there's a -logverbose parameter with startx but i can't kill the xserver to run startx
[20:51] <rg__> Mamarok: when i sudo kill the xserver, it just starts another one
[20:52] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: what next???
[20:52] <endial> sudo apt get install wine is the correct terminal code right?
[20:52] <Mamarok> rg__: why not logging out?
[20:52] <Mamarok> rg__: then kill it with Ctrl+SysRq +k
[20:53] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: how about reinstalling that package?? or rechecking apt for any other errors??
[20:53] <rg__> Mamarok: i don't see a SysRq key on my keyboard
[20:53] <rg__> Mamarok: i found it
[20:53] <Mamarok> rg__: usually where the PrintScreen one is
[20:54] <ilkin> how to free space taken by strigi? just delete that files?
[20:55] <Mamarok> ilkin: but then you shouldn run nepomuk if you do not have enough space
[20:56] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: any ideas??
[20:57] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: well, what I don't get is why you can't start KDE anymore, if everything went well it should start
[20:57] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: I run 4.3 here on Jaunty and it works well
[20:57] <Mamarok> brb, have to get the laundry
[20:57] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: no idea mate....maybe you could give me a command that checks what i installed?
[20:59] <rg_> Mamarok: ctrl + SysRq + k restarted the login prompt. it didn't get me to a point where i could run startx
[20:59] <go7hic> somebody uses skype here?
[20:59] <go7hic> I can't find an option of adding buddies
[21:00] <go7hic> this is weird
[21:00] <shadeslayer> go7hic: me..
[21:00] <shadeslayer> go7hic: i think its a green + icon at the bottom
[21:00] <phoenixz> How can I play a CD in kubuntu?
[21:01] <shadeslayer> phoenixz: insert it and open amarok
[21:01] <phoenixz> as in, amarok does not seem to be able to do it
[21:01] <phoenixz> shadeslayer: Nope.. amarok channel told me amarok2 can NOT play CD
[21:01] <phoenixz> shadeslayer: if you can believe that
[21:02] <shadeslayer> phoenixz: vlc
[21:03] <shadeslayer> phoenixz: heard of it?? sudo apt-get install vlc
[21:03] <phoenixz> shadeslayer: yeah, I have vlc installed.. thanks for the tip
[21:04] <shadeslayer> phoenixz: there are other players like banshee and rhythmboc if you like a nice GUI
[21:04] <shadeslayer> *box
[21:05] <phoenixz> shadeslayer: yaeh, I know. its just that I want this in a KDE program, thats why I have KDE, not? :)
[21:05] <go7hic> yea... thx'
[21:05] <go7hic> found it
[21:05] <shadeslayer> phoenixz: hehehe.....well i thought amarok could play Cd's
[21:05] <shadeslayer> anyone with kde 4.3??
[21:05] <phoenixz> shadeslayer: Amarok 1 could.. 2 can't, still not.. on the amarok channel they told me its because nobody plays CD's anymore.. I don't really agree
[21:06] <phoenixz> shadeslayer: I do
[21:06] <phoenixz> shadeslayer: kde4.3 is sweeeet
[21:06]  * shadeslayer cries :'(
[21:06] <phoenixz> shadeslayer: installed a PPA repo, upgraded and it works really nice
[21:06] <shadeslayer> phoenixz: i installed but it has errors
[21:06] <phoenixz> shadeslayer: I still have to encounter big problems with KDE4.3
[21:06] <phoenixz> kubuntu 9.04 was much more problematic than KDE4.3 :)
[21:07] <shadeslayer> ok anybody who can gimme a command that can check whatever i downloaded against the ppa and reinstall the probelmatic package??
[21:07] <shadeslayer> phoenixz: such as??
[21:08] <astromme> phoenixz: I just use juk or kscd for cds
[21:08] <gwhip> whats the repo to add to update to 4.3
[21:08] <shadeslayer> gwhip: its a PPA...not a repo :)....
[21:08] <gwhip> in jaunty
[21:08] <shadeslayer> gwhip: one sec
[21:08]  * astromme reminds people that 4.3 is in beta, beta1 at that
[21:08] <phoenixz> shadeslayer: such as what? sorry, I missed something :)
[21:08] <phoenixz> gwhip: one sec
[21:08] <astromme> shadeslayer: a ppa is a repo
[21:08] <phoenixz> gwhip: deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/experimental/ubuntu jaunty main
[21:09] <gwhip> ok ... the ppa to add
[21:09] <Mamarok> back
[21:09] <shadeslayer> gwhip: then update and upgrade
[21:09] <phoenixz> shadeslayer: add the link above to your /etc/apt/sources.list file, do an apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade and you should have 4.3 running quite nicely
[21:09] <phoenixz> shadeslayer: and yes, that IS a repo :)
[21:10] <rg_> Mamarok: ctrl + SysRq + k restarted the login prompt. it didn't get me to a point where i could run startx
[21:10] <gwhip> phoenixz: thanks! is there just the one line or is there a sources line too
[21:10] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: Amarok will fature CD playing, we are in feature freeze now
[21:10] <phoenixz> gwhip: got the repo link?
[21:10] <phoenixz> gwhip: I suppose there is a sources too, but why would you want those, unlessy ou are going to do development?
[21:10] <Mamarok> phoenixz: and if it's not fast enough for you, care hiring some developers? We lack manpower to do things as fast as our (non paying) users want it
[21:10] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: ah.....any lead on my problem ?? :)
[21:10] <astromme> rg_: if you really want to run startx.... ctrl + shift+f1, sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop, then you can run it.
[21:10] <phoenixz> Mamarok: is there a repo (PPA even) available of amarok with CD playing support?
[21:11] <Mamarok> phoenixz: no, as I told you, not in 2.1, we are in feature freeze
[21:11] <magicmanstl> does anyone know how I might start kgrubeditor via the command line
[21:11] <Mamarok> and there is no 2.2 yet
[21:11] <phoenixz> Mamarok: if I'd had the money or time, I would do it.. Unfortunately I don't..
[21:11] <gwhip> i guess don't really need it ... thanks
[21:11] <shadeslayer> magicmanstl: you cant...kgrubeditor needs X
[21:11] <Mamarok> phoenixz: then you will just have to be patient and polite :)
[21:12] <phoenixz> Mamarok: NOFI, its just frustrating that Amarok 1 got changed out for 2 while 2 does not have all functions of 1.. I suppose thats a kubuntu decision more than amarok anyway
[21:12] <Mamarok> rg_: you will have to start in recovery mode then to run startx
[21:12] <Mamarok> phoenixz: exactly
[21:12] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: back to you
[21:12] <phoenixz> Mamarok: as I also mentioned on the amarok channel, I think amarok is the best player out there, which in turn made me like.. whah!?? when I saw there was no CD support. :)
[21:12]  * phoenixz bows to the amarok gods
[21:12] <phoenixz> humbly...
[21:13] <Mamarok> phoenixz: please do so in #amarok then :)
[21:13]  * shadeslayer wonders why everyone PM's him their question??
[21:13] <phoenixz> Mamarok: better? :)
[21:13] <rg_> astromme: i tried that but xwindows kept running. then i tried killing the X server process with sudo and ps aux showed a new X server process
[21:14] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: ok,i have the time..how do i reinstall 4.3??
[21:14] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: just do not accept those, it's a policy not to do support in PM
[21:14] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: i know i just /q
[21:14] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: reinstall?
[21:14] <tzanger> shadeslayer: I ignore PMs for the most part
[21:14] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: yes, or like re configure or whatever :)
[21:15] <shadeslayer> tzanger: i dont notice them too often but...when i do.../q right away
[21:15] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: you might have some missing packages, what does aptitude search kdebase* tell you?
[21:16] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: you should have everything except the -dev and -dbg packages
[21:16] <BluesKaj> I'd love to get amarok on W7 partition but kde for windows no longer includes it by default :(
[21:16] <phoenixz> shadeslayer: you have added the repo link I just sent?
[21:16] <shadeslayer_> Mamarok: ok pasting
[21:17] <Mamarok> shadeslayer_: where, pastebin?
[21:17] <shadeslayer_> Mamarok: yes...http://paste.ubuntu.com/180652/
[21:17]  * shadeslayer_ is in X
[21:17] <rg_> what is required to disable X and kdm from starting up, i'd like to bootup to the console instead?
[21:18] <shadeslayer_> rg_: why not the recovery konsole ;)
[21:18] <Mamarok> rg_: told you, start in recovery mode, second line in grub
[21:19] <shadeslayer_> Mamarok: can i see some apt logs where errors are stored??
[21:20] <Mamarok> shadeslayer_: everything is in /var/log/
[21:20] <magicmanstl> does anyone know how to start up kgrubeditor? I have installed it but there is no menu entry and I can find man pages or any documentation for it...
[21:20] <shadeslayer_> Mamarok: yeah checking in /apt
[21:20] <Walzmyn> how much difference is there between making a straight ubuntu install and installing gnome-desktop on KDE?
[21:21] <Mamarok> shadeslayer_: you have no kdebase installed as it seems...
[21:21] <tzanger> shadeslayer: did you upgrade to kubuntu from an ubuntu cd?
[21:21] <Mamarok> Walzmyn: you end up with two desktop environements
[21:21] <Mamarok> tzanger: no, he installed KDE 4.2
[21:21] <Walzmyn> magicmanstl: alt+F2 then type grub editor
[21:22] <Mamarok> args, 4.3
[21:22] <shadeslayer_> Mamarok: really?? ok how do i install then??
[21:22] <Mamarok> tzanger: thanks, I think, I can handle it...
[21:22] <BluesKaj> used to boot into the konsole by alt+ctrl+F2 after selecting the kernel in the grub menu .Havent trired that lately altho it still works from the desktop
[21:22] <Mamarok> shadeslayer_: sudo atp-get install kdebase
[21:22] <shadeslayer_> ok
[21:22] <Walzmyn> Mamarok: yes, but will the gnome that's installed be just the same as you get with a default ubuntu install, or will it be weird?
[21:23] <Mamarok> magicmanstl: you will have to type kdesudo kgrubeditor
[21:23] <shadeslayer_> Mamarok: you were right :P...installing
[21:23] <Mamarok> Walzmyn: that's still the same, both desktop Environments can live together :)
[21:23] <Mamarok> shadeslayer_: you still have Gnome, don't you
[21:23] <Mamarok> ?
[21:24] <Walzmyn> Mamarok: ok, and will installing gnome do anythign weird with my KDE menus and such?
[21:24] <shadeslayer_> Mamarok: yes...im in gnome :) logging out now
[21:24] <Mamarok> sahdwait!
[21:24] <shadeslayer_> Walzmyn: noooo :)
[21:24] <Mamarok> shadeslayer_: wait!
[21:24] <shadeslayer_> sure
[21:24] <Mamarok> shadeslayer_: fire up synaptic please
[21:24] <Walzmyn> I'm in the process of converting a friend over to Linux, and I wanted him to see both desktops to choose which was best for him
[21:24] <tzanger> Mamarok: no worries; I did it and there were some odd things... some of the dependencies were not there when I installed kde-desktop and it caused me some pain
[21:24] <shadeslayer_> Walzmyn: everything has different configs in /home so everything works like a charm
[21:24] <Mamarok> Walzmyn: told you, there will be no problem, both can live on the same disk
[21:25] <shadeslayer_> Mamarok: done
[21:25] <Mamarok> tzanger: I went through that too
[21:25] <Walzmyn> long time ago, I tried installed KDE on a gnome distro and it horrible, that's why I was asking
[21:25] <tzanger> Mamarok: :-)
[21:25] <shadeslayer_> Walzmyn: i have XFCE+lxde+openbox+fluxbox+pekwm as well
[21:25] <shadeslayer_> Mamarok: now what??
[21:25] <Mamarok> shadeslayer_: shadeslayer_ go to the origin part
[21:25] <shadeslayer_> Mamarok: origin??
[21:26] <Mamarok> shadeslayer_: on the bottom left you have buttons
[21:26] <Mamarok> one is named origin
[21:26] <shadeslayer_> Mamarok: oh ok ..now??
[21:27] <Mamarok> shadeslayer_: the go to ppa.launchpad.net/main
[21:27] <Mamarok> then on the right side you will see all packages in the ppa reositories
[21:27] <shadeslayer_> yeah was there before already
[21:27] <shadeslayer_> Mamarok: ok...then??
[21:27] <Mamarok> shadeslayer_: click on the version header to sort by number
[21:27] <Mamarok> then check for 4:4.2.85 packages
[21:28] <shadeslayer_> Mamarok: ok what do i check in them ?? installed packages??
[21:28] <Walzmyn> how come if i use alt+f2 to open synaptic, it first opens it without admin privelages, then when I do it again, it prompts for password?
[21:28] <shadeslayer_> Mamarok: kwin not installed :P
[21:29] <Mamarok> shadeslayer_: you will have to install every package that hsa this number, except for the packages ending in -dbg or -dev
[21:29] <Mamarok> has*
[21:29] <shadeslayer_> ok
[21:29] <Mamarok> shadeslayer_: well, that could not go well without :/
[21:30] <shadeslayer_> what about kruler etc
[21:31] <Mamarok> kruler is a nice tool to measure stuff on your desktop :)
[21:31] <shadeslayer_> Mamarok: hahaha
[21:31] <Mamarok> shadeslayer_: just ask me when you are not sure :)
[21:32] <Mamarok> shadeslayer_: seriously, I use it to check distances for letters and such
[21:32] <ubuntu> boas
[21:32] <shadeslayer_> Mamarok: kdeutils??
[21:32] <Mamarok> !pt | ubuntu:
[21:32] <Mamarok> shadeslayer_: absolutely!
[21:33] <shadeslayer_> Mamarok: kdesk-kio
[21:34] <Mamarok> shadeslayer_: no, that's the development kit
[21:34] <Mamarok> shadeslayer_: oh, wait
[21:34] <vbgunz> anyone know why saving a file in vim now in 9.04 has a habit of turning vim unresponsive for about perhaps 5 seconds? it doesn't happen all the time but happens frequently enough to be a bother :(
[21:34] <Mamarok> you mean kdesdk, right?
[21:34] <shadeslayer_> Mamarok: yes
[21:34] <Mamarok> shadeslayer_: yes, develop ment kit
[21:35] <Mamarok> shadeslayer_: you should have descriptions on the far right, don't you?
[21:35] <shadeslayer_> Mamarok: wow kde-core not installed
[21:35] <shadeslayer_> Mamarok: yes
[21:35] <Mamarok> vbgunz: probably not related to vim but to nepomuk/strigi running
[21:36] <Mamarok> shadeslayer_: I think it didn't install most of the essentials :(
[21:36] <shadeslayer_> Mamarok: i guess that would be it..updating :)
[21:36] <Mamarok> shadeslayer_: somehow, an important dependency is missing and everything got borked
[21:36] <Mamarok> shadeslayer_: fingers crossed :)
[21:36] <shadeslayer_> Mamarok: bleh....maybe....yeah
[21:37]  * shadeslayer_ crosses all his fingers :)
[21:37] <Mamarok> shadeslayer_: my problem was different when I upgraded, too many conflicting dependencies, spent half my day correcting and overwriting stuff
[21:37] <shadeslayer_> Mamarok: i hate net installs....i dont recommend net upgrades _at all_
[21:38] <Mamarok> shadeslayer_: I always do a fresh install on every release
[21:38] <shadeslayer_> Mamarok: me too :)
[21:38] <Mamarok> shadeslayer_: moving the .kde/ folder of course
[21:38] <shadeslayer_> seprate data partition here :)
[21:39] <Mamarok> at the same time I get rid of a lot of leftovers and borked configs :)
[21:39] <Mamarok> ditto, of course
[21:39] <Mamarok> that should be the default choice IMHO
[21:39] <shadeslayer_> Mamarok: i would format my windows partition if i didnt game or wine released a version that supported every game :)
[21:40] <Mamarok> shadeslayer_: I only kept it to test KDE on WIndows :)
[21:40] <shadeslayer_> Mamarok: hehehe...
[21:41] <shadeslayer_> wow synaptic downloads two files at once....i only use apt-get :P
[21:41] <Mamarok> shadeslayer_: which works quite fine, only lacking developers to work on it so it advances slowlier than on Linux
[21:41] <Mamarok> shadeslayer_: synaptic is just a fromtend to apt-get
[21:42] <Mamarok> it's apt-get that does that in the background
[21:42] <shadeslayer_> Mamarok: i wish it would show the size in MB's and not Kb's
[21:42] <shadeslayer_> Mamarok: i know :)...ive been here 6 months :P
[21:43] <Mamarok> shadeslayer_: :)
[21:43] <shadeslayer_> oh i forgot to quit the tty nick
[21:43] <Mamarok> shadeslayer_: wile you are at it, install the plsma widgets too, just look after plasma in synaptic
[21:43] <Mamarok> while*
[21:44] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: synaptic is locked ;)
[21:44] <Walzmyn> what is abiword?
[21:44] <shadeslayer> Walzmyn: word processor
[21:44] <Walzmyn> ah
[21:44] <shadeslayer> Walzmyn: make that a very lite word processor
[21:44] <Walzmyn> gnome version of kate?
[21:45] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: locked?
[21:45] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: locked as in its all grey...get what i mean??
[21:45] <Mamarok> !abiword | Walzmyn
[21:45] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: well, it's installing now
[21:45] <shadeslayer> !info abiword | Walzmyn
[21:45] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: yeah..i have a 128kbps connection
[21:45] <Walzmyn> thanks. whenever apt gets done, i'll just fire it up
[21:46] <Mamarok> arghs, I'm getting tired...
[21:46]  * Walzmyn shudders at shadeslayer
[21:46] <shadeslayer> Walzmyn: dont worry dude youll get all the commands after a month or after fishing in ubottu
[21:47] <Walzmyn> i didn't think about using the bot. I was just currious, 'cause I saw abiword go by a few times while this was installing
[21:47] <Walzmyn> personally, I can't stand gnome, but I
[21:47]  * shadeslayer eyes ubottu...he knows more than me :)
[21:47] <Walzmyn> 'm thinking my friend will like it better
[21:47]  * Walzmyn eyeballs his 'enter' key
[21:48] <shadeslayer> Walzmyn: how long have you been using *buntu ??
[21:48] <Guest99008> hello
[21:48] <Mamarok> Walzmyn: just do not abuse the bot :)
[21:48] <Walzmyn> shadeslayer: been using kubuntu for i guess a little over a year now.
[21:48]  * shadeslayer feeds the bot
[21:48] <shadeslayer> !botsnack
[21:49] <shadeslayer> Walzmyn: ah...i was fed up of KDE after 3 months...now im fed up of gnome...so back to kde
[21:49] <Walzmyn> shadeslayer: no, i've been solid kde for errr, gosh, over 6 years now
[21:49] <shadeslayer> Walzmyn: :O
[21:50] <Walzmyn> shadeslayer: i gave XFCE a fair trial one time.  but Gnome has never lasted more than 15 min with me
[21:51] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: I use KDE since...version 1.1, rarely changing to the occasional fwm or what was around back then
[21:51] <shadeslayer> Walzmyn: not even with compiz+4 wallpaper or more+conky
[21:51] <shadeslayer> or screenlets
[21:52] <Walzmyn> not the biggest fan of compiz either. Since it's not built in it always felt really clunky
[21:52] <patrick_> hello
[21:52] <Walzmyn> hi, patrick_
[21:52] <shadeslayer> ok..im going away for a while :)....
[21:52] <Walzmyn> but I could never find anything in gnome. KDE, everything was just where it shoulda been
[21:52] <Mamarok> Walzmyn: Desktop Effects run smmother on KDE 4
[21:52] <shadeslayer> Walzmyn: the top thing i currently hate in KDE are those window borders :)
[21:53] <Walzmyn> Mamarok: i think so as well
[21:53] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: definitely
[21:53] <Walzmyn> shadeslayer: see, i'd never even notice things like that
[21:53] <shadeslayer> hahaha
[21:53] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: are you a devel with KDE??
[21:55] <shadeslayer> Walzmyn: when i switched to ubuntu i always thought why didnt the scroll lock key work :P
[21:55] <Walzmyn> shadeslayer: to do what?
[21:56] <shadeslayer> Walzmyn: nothing...just wondered why windows had it working wjile linux didnt :)
[21:56] <shadeslayer> *while
[21:56]  * Walzmyn dosen't know what the key is for
[21:57] <shadeslayer> Walzmyn: also just wanted to point out that emerald has that cool rolling up of windows while KDE doesnt
[21:57] <Walzmyn> shadeslayer: yawn   :)
[21:58] <shadeslayer> quite handy sometimes actually....
[21:58] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: not exactly, but I do everything else: translations, support, bug triaging, etc.
[21:58] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: ah..
[21:58] <Walzmyn> Mamarok: you work for canical?
[21:59] <Mamarok> Walzmyn: nope, self employed
[21:59] <Walzmyn> Mamarok: ok
[21:59] <shadeslayer> there is one devel i know about who comes on this channel
[22:00] <shadeslayer> apachelogger
[22:00] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: there are more though :)
[22:00] <Mamarok> when they find time to do so...
[22:00] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: i know...but i dont know all of them :)
[22:01] <mngrif> is flash under 64bit 9.04 any less broke as opposed to under 8.04? (as in, should i run 32 bit or 64 bit?)
[22:01] <shadeslayer> ive talked to him in my early days of kubuntu 8.10 :)
[22:01] <shadeslayer> mngrif: works fine for me
[22:01] <Mamarok> mngrif: that's not exactly a problem of the Kubunut version but the Flash version
[22:01] <Mamarok> Kubuntu*
[22:01] <Mamarok> mngrif: but the new driver works fine now
[22:02] <mngrif> Mamarok: i know, but 8.04 versions are totally different than the 9.04 versions. which "new driver"?
[22:02] <mngrif> nspluginwrapper?
[22:02] <shadeslayer> mngrif: lets see
[22:02] <Mamarok> mngrif: no, the new flash driver aka plugin
[22:02] <shadeslayer> !info flash
[22:02] <Walzmyn> mngrif: i'm running 8.10 64bit with no flash problems. I would assumn 9.04 would have none either
[22:03] <mngrif> thanks Walzmyn
[22:03] <Mamarok> Walzmyn: yes, it works fine now, since the new 64 bit driver is around
[22:03] <shadeslayer> mngrif: heck im running 9.04 64 bit...i have no problem either
[22:03] <mngrif> shadeslayer: thanks :)
[22:03] <Mamarok> !flash
[22:03] <mngrif> that's all i needed to know, i appreciate it
[22:04] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: bet he knew that was coming
[22:04] <mngrif> yup.
[22:04] <Mamarok> :)
[22:04] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: installing :)
[22:04] <mngrif> [21:04:27] [NickServ] Registered : Mar 02 06:32:33 2005 (4 years, 12 weeks, 1 day, 14:31:54 ago)
[22:04] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: good!
[22:05] <shadeslayer> so far so good :)
[22:05] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: what was that you were asking me to install ??
[22:05] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: plasma-widgets
[22:06] <Mamarok> search for plsama with the search button while you are in synaptic, just do it in "All packages"
[22:06] <Mamarok> instead of the Launchpad origin main only
[22:06] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: installed already
[22:06] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: all of them?
[22:07] <Mamarok> there's a kdebase-plasma something you will need
[22:07] <mngrif> oooh, i love the new networkmanager
[22:08] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: not in all the repos
[22:08] <shadeslayer> checking all of them
[22:08] <shadeslayer> haha synaptic crashed
[22:08] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: there is plasma-widgets-workspace for example
[22:08] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: is that a meta package??
[22:08] <Mamarok> crashed? in Gnome?
[22:08] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: yes
[22:08] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: that's the base package
[22:09] <shadeslayer> ok
[22:09] <Mamarok> wow...
[22:09] <shadeslayer> i cant see it
[22:09] <Mamarok> you also need plasma-dataengines-workspace
[22:10] <shadeslayer> ok i found it in apt-cache search
[22:10] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: not in the quick search space, the search button only
[22:10] <Mamarok> quick search is to narrow a search
[22:10] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: ah...
[22:11] <endial_> Is there place I can go to start learning the basics of Kubuntu?  I don't really know what all I can do and the stuff I used to be able to do in different OS's I cant do now.
[22:11] <shadeslayer> !new
[22:11] <Mamarok> endial_: have a look at userbase.kde.org
[22:12] <Mamarok> endial_: also, browse the menu for applications and have a look at the ones you might need
[22:12] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: ok so plasma-widget-workspace and plasma-dataengines-workspace right?? what else??
[22:12] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: I installed everything with plasma-widget ...
[22:12] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: ok
[22:13] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: no meta package i guess then
[22:14] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: well, no, not so far
[22:15] <danielane> alguem pode me da uma ajuda
[22:16] <desaparecido> danielane: hola
[22:16] <danielane> kde
[22:16] <desaparecido> en español es posible, no en portuges...
[22:16] <Mamarok> !es | danielane, desaparecido
[22:17] <Mamarok> !pt | danielane
[22:17] <vegard_> hi, im new with kubuntu, can somone plz tell me where i can install my graphic drivers, i have a nvidia card
[22:17] <desaparecido> gracias por el tip obottu
[22:18] <vegard_> sorry, i don't speak spanish
[22:18] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: downloading :)
[22:18] <Mamarok> vegard_: that was not an answer to you
[22:18] <vegard_> ok
[22:18] <vegard_> :P
[22:19] <shadeslayer> vegard_: in the system tray there should be a notification
[22:19] <vegard_> it's gone.. :S
[22:19] <shadeslayer> vegard_: then you probably installed it
[22:20]  * shadeslayer wonders if he should introduce vegard_ to the terminal and apt-get
[22:20] <vegard_> ok, thx :)
[22:20] <shadeslayer> vegard_: wait
[22:21] <shadeslayer> vegard_: what card??
[22:21] <vegard_> nvidia 9800 GT
[22:21] <shadeslayer> vegard_: if you have nvidia sudo apt-get install nvidia-180-modaliases
[22:21] <shadeslayer> in a terminal
[22:22] <vegard_> ok, i think it's installed now, thank you very much
[22:23] <shadeslayer> vegard_: check if you can enable desktop effects
[22:24] <vegard_> whare do i find the desktop effects? xD
[22:24] <vegard_> hehe
[22:24] <shadeslayer> vegard_: K > system settings > display >
[22:25] <shadeslayer> vegard_: wait..its in system settings but under a different name...just look around youll find it
[22:25] <vegard_> ok
[22:25] <Mamarok> ok folks, I'm off for tonight, 10+ hours of support is enough :)
[22:25] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: bye , good night and thanks
[22:25] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: just tell me how it went, I will read the message tomorrow :)
[22:25] <Polyculture> vegard_: appearance
[22:25] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: ok
[22:26] <Mamarok> gn8 all, have fun with Kubuntu :)
[22:26] <bob000> Help! I'm new to kubuntu.
[22:26] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: youll sleep on the IRC :P
[22:26] <Polyculture> Mamarok: good night
[22:26] <bob000> anyone there?
[22:26] <shadeslayer> !new | bob000
[22:26] <Walzmyn> my default window manager is set to /usr/sbin/gdm - but there's no /usr/sbin/kdm - how do i get it back to KDE?
[22:26] <vegard_> yes, i found it, but how do i enable the desktop effects in there?
[22:26] <Walzmyn> bob000: just ask any question you have
[22:27] <shadeslayer> Walzmyn: simple run sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm
[22:27] <vegard_> sorry all my stupid questions xD
[22:27] <shadeslayer> vegard_: no problems at all
[22:27] <Polyculture> vegard_: aah, its under "Desktop"
[22:27] <bob000> thank you, but i know how it works being a linux geek wannabe. does kubuntu have an equivilant to "add/remove programs?"
[22:27] <shadeslayer> vegard_: check the box named desktop effects
[22:28] <vegard_> yes it's enabled... :P
[22:28] <shadeslayer> bob000: yes..kpackagekit
[22:28] <Polyculture> vegard_:the quick way though would be to right click on the window deco and choose "configure window behaviour"
[22:28] <Walzmyn> thanks shadeslayer
[22:28] <shadeslayer> !apt > bob000
[22:28] <bob000> erm...how do you
[22:28] <shadeslayer> Walzmyn: np
[22:28] <bob000> "PM"?
[22:28] <vegard_> ok
[22:28] <shadeslayer> okk hopefully ill be back in kde 4.3
[22:28] <vegard_> ty for the help
[22:29] <bob000> thank you
[22:29]  * Walzmyn wonders if he should confuse bob000 by telling him that synaptic is easier to use
[22:29] <bob000> AUGH! no
[22:29] <bob000> I don't know how to use the IRC client
[22:29] <bob000> I used Debian for a while and I dislike the syneptic
[22:30] <Polyculture> bob000: although its not a kde app i recommend synaptic as graphical frontend for package handling
[22:30] <Walzmyn> really? I'm a kde guy, but i like it better than kpackage
[22:31] <Mamarok> Walzmyn: so do I...
[22:31]  * Mamarok definitely hides now
[22:31] <bob000> I like user friendly things...heh
[22:31] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: there??
[22:31] <bob000> this is a first, KDE
[22:31] <Walzmyn> i think synaptic is more user friendly, but each to his own
[22:31] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: it didnt work
[22:31] <Walzmyn> what are you looking to install bob000?
[22:32] <Polyculture> bob000:you might also wanna give adept a try
[22:32] <bob000> how do I pm?
[22:32] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: did you move .kde/?
[22:32] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: no
[22:32] <Mamarok> try again
[22:32] <shadeslayer> ok
[22:33] <bob000> I want firefox, the default browser isn't compatible with some things
[22:33] <bob000> and I want the GIMP
[22:33] <Polyculture> bob000: are you familiar wit h the terminal?
[22:33] <bob000> not really
[22:33] <bob000> but i can manage
[22:33] <Walzmyn> bob000: yeah, that's always one of my first installs
[22:34] <bob000> kk
[22:34] <Walzmyn> sudo apt-get install firefox gimp
[22:34] <bob000> how do i do it?
[22:34] <Polyculture> just give it a try, as it's really easy to install packages provided you know their name
[22:34] <bob000> thankee
[22:34] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: nope
[22:34] <shadeslayer> Exact same error
[22:34] <bob000> do you have to install stuff using the terminal?
[22:34] <Polyculture> bob000: hit alt+f2
[22:34] <Walzmyn> bob000: no, but it's faster if you know what you're doing
[22:35] <bob000> okay
[22:35] <Polyculture> bob000: and type "konsole"
[22:35] <bob000> is there something with an interface?
[22:35] <bob000> oh okay
[22:35] <bob000> you're all awesome
[22:35] <bob000> thnx
[22:35] <Polyculture> bob000: when you have it running just type: "sudo apt-get install firefox gimp"
[22:36] <bob000> thanks i've got 2 people telling me the same thing
[22:36] <bob000> xD
[22:36] <Walzmyn> bob000: yeah, sorry, i let Polyculturehav eit
[22:36] <bob000> is there something with an interface that a nebie like me can use?
[22:36] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: ??
[22:36] <bob000> *newbie
[22:36] <Polyculture> Walzmyn: alright
[22:36] <vegard_> hm.. why doesn't the desktop effects work now? I have clicked the apply button...
[22:37] <Polyculture> vegard_: you probably have to restart your x-server
[22:37] <shadeslayer> vegard_: restart X or reboot to get drivers working
[22:37] <Polyculture> bob000:yep
[22:37] <bob000> Polyculture: where?
[22:38] <bob000> is that how you PM?
[22:38] <vegard_> ok, is that any shortcuts to restart the x server?
[22:38] <bob000> how do you PM?
[22:38] <shadeslayer> !pm
[22:38] <shadeslayer> hmm...not quite right
[22:38] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: ok ill talk later then if youre gone
[22:39] <shadeslayer> anyone with experience of KDE 4.3 beta??
[22:40] <desaparecido> yes, i am with 4.3
[22:40] <desaparecido> a lot of bugs even now,
[22:40] <shadeslayer> desaparecido: hey..i cant get it to work
[22:40] <shadeslayer> i cant even log ing
[22:41] <desaparecido> but KDE 4.3 beta 1 is beautiful,
[22:41] <shadeslayer> ive heard that already...dont tease ne
[22:41] <shadeslayer> *me
[22:41] <shadeslayer> oh wait i didnt restart X maybe that helps
[22:41] <desaparecido> to work is better KDE 4.2.3
[22:41] <shadeslayer> desaparecido: brb.
[22:41] <desaparecido> is more stable,
[22:42] <FernandoLB> desaparecido: Where are you from ?
[22:42] <desaparecido> plasma and a lot off application bugs, even if restarts quickly is no so cool
[22:43] <desaparecido> i am from guatemala but i live in belgium
[22:43] <FernandoLB> Hmm. desaparecido is a Portuguese word.
[22:43] <desaparecido> and spanish too
[22:44] <FernandoLB> And in Spanish does it mean 'vanishe', as it does in portuguese ?
[22:44] <desaparecido> shadeslayer:  you need a stable desktop to work?
[22:44] <FernandoLB> I'm giving kde a try, but I'm not able to get used to it...
[22:45] <desaparecido> desaparecido=vanished
[22:45] <FernandoLB> Yes. My keyboard trapped me :D
[22:45] <FernandoLB> disappeared
[22:47] <desaparecido> fernandoLB: yes, sorry
[22:47] <innovate2000> any mdadm guru's here?
[22:47] <shadeslayer> ok now it loads up the drive icon but gives me a segmentation fault
[22:47] <FernandoLB> desaparecido: Sorry of what?
[22:48] <shadeslayer> what the hell do i do?? im stuck at this problem for 2 hours :(
[22:49] <desaparecido> fernandoLB, i read "disapeared", almost "desaparecido", only that :P
[22:49] <bob000> someday I'll be geeks like all of you, but for now...ttyl
[22:49] <shadeslayer> desaparecido: any advice??
[22:50] <FernandoLB> desaparecido: OK.
[22:50] <shadeslayer> anyone here who can help me with kde 4.3???
[22:51] <desaparecido> i had this segmentation fault with gwenview and amarok, and you?
[22:51] <desaparecido> shadeslayer: which application
[22:51] <shadeslayer> kbuildsycoca4
[22:53] <desaparecido> with gwenview the problem was solved after a upgrade this week-end, and with that (kbuildsycoca) did(n have probleme
[22:53] <shadeslayer> desaparecido: could you join #kde
[22:54] <shadeslayer> im having a discussion there
[22:54] <desaparecido> shadeslayer
[22:54] <desaparecido> shadeslayer: ok
[22:55] <innovate2000> is there a way to set a md device to clean (from active)? I've tried mdadm --assemble --assume-clean but only 4 of 6 devices are found - examine shows 2 devices as state=active
[23:02] <vegard_> hm, i don't understand anything about the KDE menus :'(
[23:04] <vegard_> i think im installing ubuntu instead
[23:11] <shadeslayer> anyone who can help me get to kde 4.3 beta??? please??
[23:16] <W4gn3r_> anyone here know how can I change a file type icon?
[23:16] <W4gn3r_> like
[23:16] <W4gn3r_> .w4g have my own image
[23:22] <cherry2000> hi..i am installing a new 904 kubuntu in a macbook.and there is a problem with the wifi...
[23:27] <kaddi> hello :)
[23:28] <slowhoe> wlan0     No scan results
[23:28] <slowhoe> trash
[23:35] <sysop> hi
[23:37] <sysop> I have a emac with a busted dvd rom I want to install kubuntu on. any ideas on how I can get it to boot? I tried using firewire dvd burner and bootable usb key and I see them in the boot menu but when I choose them neither one boots.
[23:37] <jairo> http://mua-z.elbruto.es/cellule
[23:39] <sysop> el bruto that is what your mom calls me but that doesnt answer my question.
[23:40] <jairo> http://mua-z.elbruto.es/cellule
[23:47] <alesan> how do I upgrade to 9.04?
[23:47] <Dragnslcr> From what version?
[23:47] <alesan> 8.10
[23:48] <alesan> adept-updater informs me there is a new version I click to upgrade to it but nothing happens
[23:48] <alesan> (I'm using KDE3)
[23:48] <W4gn3r_> did you tried "sudo apt-get upgrade"?
[23:50] <alesan> well no, should I do that?
[23:50] <alesan> anyway
[23:50] <alesan> it tells me there is nothing to upgrade
[23:51] <alesan> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[23:51] <BluesKaj> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[23:51] <W4gn3r_> dist-upgrade
[23:51] <W4gn3r_> forgot that
[23:51] <W4gn3r_> =D
[23:52] <alesan> mh
[23:52] <alesan> the result of dist-upgrade is the same...
[23:53] <BluesKaj> maybe just open a package manager and install kde4
[23:54] <alesan> I do not want KDE4, just to upgrade to 9.04
[23:54] <ubuntu> too bad
[23:55] <ubuntu> it isn't posible
[23:55] <alesan> ???
[23:55] <alesan> what are you saying
[23:55] <W4gn3r_> he means he doens't want just a KDE3 - KDE4 upgrade
[23:55] <alesan> no wait
[23:56] <ubuntu> Oh sorry lol wrong convo
[23:56] <alesan> I do not want KDE4 at all with 9.04, but this is independent to the upgrade to 9.04
[23:56] <W4gn3r_> ok now I'm confused
[23:56] <W4gn3r_> jaunty = KDE4
[23:56] <W4gn3r_> afaik
[23:56] <alesan> no
[23:56] <alesan> there are KDE3.5 repositories
[23:57] <alesan> in particular: http://ppa.launchpad.net/kb9vqf/ubuntu
[23:57] <alesan> http://apt.pearsoncomputing.net/
[23:57] <alesan> it's very well maintained and such
[23:57] <alesan> and it supports jaunty
[23:58] <W4gn3r_> interesting
[23:58] <alesan> only I would like to upgrade to jaunty, forget the KDE version I use, that is a matter of repositories
[23:58] <alesan> W4gn3r_, I was told about those repos here on this channel
[23:58] <alesan> :)
[23:58] <W4gn3r_> =D
[23:59] <W4gn3r_> I'm scared bout adding a ppa repo
[23:59] <W4gn3r_> I've done it a while ago, apt-get upgrade, then....