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JontheEchidnaOoh, kdevelop's making a production release of the kde4 kdevelop in a few weeks from may 5th00:24
JontheEchidnaAnybody have the time to look at these, what with UDS and all? https://bugs.launchpad.net/~echidnaman/+reportedbugs?field.searchtext=sync00:50
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jjessegood evening, are the packages all set to upgrade jaunty to latest kde?01:05
jjesseor will i mess things up again?01:05
vorianyo01:14
vorianyou will mess things up still01:14
lex79JontheEchidna: plasma-widgets are ready01:18
jjessevorian: cool, glad to know01:20
jjesseJontheEchidna: what is the package i need to install to get your cool weather background stuff?01:20
vorianjjesse: it's default!01:20
JontheEchidnajjesse: plasma-wallpapers-addons01:21
jjesseoh cool01:21
vorianI really think the Icy Tree is pretty cool B-)01:21
JontheEchidnahehe01:21
JontheEchidnalex79: whee!01:21
vorianJontheEchidna: I about crapped my pants when I saw that01:21
jjesseJontheEchidna: is that in kde 4.3.2?01:21
JontheEchidnalex79: 2 more than last time01:21
JontheEchidnajjesse: yeah, in 4.3 beta01:21
jjesseshould i still wait to upgrade to 4.3 or things better the nbefore?01:22
* JontheEchidna goes off to sponsor 14 plasmoid uploads01:22
JontheEchidnaThere might be one or two file conflict errors left (I just don't get that one with libkdepim4) but nothing a "sudo dpkg -i --force-overwrite /path/to/deb" can't fix01:23
lex79JontheEchidna: yeah :)01:23
jjessehrmm maybe i will still wait a bit, just reloaded a fresh jaunty 64-bit01:24
lex79plasma-widgets starts to take over ubuntu lol01:32
vorianJontheEchidna: what ever happened to 4.2.3?01:32
JontheEchidnavorian: about moving it to proposed?01:32
vorianyep01:33
vorianI was just going to get the extragear packages, and noticed it isn't anywhere01:33
JontheEchidnaoh, there was a regression in RSSNow, but it's probably a Qt 4.5.1 regression01:33
JontheEchidnaafaik nothing's stopping it now01:33
vorianok01:33
vorianso it's intrepid-proposed then?01:34
JontheEchidnawait, actually it's still up for debate where the regression lies01:34
vorianhrm01:34
JontheEchidnabug 37414301:35
ubottuLaunchpad bug 374143 in kdeplasma-addons "RSSnow don't display anything on kde 4.2.3" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/37414301:35
JontheEchidnaupstream sez it don't care, so unless we can figure it out ourselves...01:35
vorianok01:35
vorianis there anything else that needs doing then JontheEchidna?01:36
JontheEchidnathe beta packages could go through another round of "looking at the cmake output log and adding build-depends for missing features"01:37
JontheEchidnaand beta upgrade testing01:37
vorianheh, i'll look at cmake01:37
vorianspeaking of which, akonandi seems out of date01:37
JontheEchidnaeverybody's away at UDS so I can't get any cool stuff done that requires an archive admin or core-dev ;.;01:38
vorianno biggie, we have bzr for that (and nixternal)01:38
JontheEchidnaso I'll just go back to being lex's plasma-widget upload bitch01:39
vorianhaha01:39
vorianlex79: when are you applying for motu?01:39
lex79vorian: I don't know :)01:39
vorianshould be soonish, me thinks01:40
jjesseJontheEchidna: just have nixternal upload it for you, he's core-dev aint he?01:40
JontheEchidnaoh, yeah01:42
jjessewhat is the uds channel on irc again?01:47
jjesse#uds?01:47
vorianjjesse: #ubuntu-devel-summit01:49
lex79when 4.2.3 is ready to jaunty-proposed, kubuntu-dev what should they do? just copying from experimental to archive? or packaging again?01:49
lex79jjesse: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDSKarmic/RemoteParticipation01:49
vorianthey just copy it lex7901:50
lex79good ;)01:50
vorianJontheEchidna: stasks needs on k-d-s imo :)01:54
JontheEchidnamap-containments-to-virtual-desktops so needs in k-d-s01:55
voriananyone package pgame plasma yet?01:55
JontheEchidnanow that it actually works ;-)01:55
JontheEchidnaQuintasan is working on pgame01:56
vorianmeh01:56
JontheEchidnaand needs a second revu iirc01:56
* vorian looks01:56
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JontheEchidnalex79: universe is now libplasma-dev free02:15
lex79JontheEchidna: thanks for uploads02:16
JontheEchidnayou're welcome02:16
JontheEchidnalex79: you didn't drop the cmake build-dep in a few packages where you said you did, but I just fixed those and uploaded02:18
JontheEchidnajust for reference02:18
JontheEchidnaoh, and do you need that kmplayer merge reviewed?02:19
lex79Tonio has uploaded kmplayer02:20
lex79JontheEchidna:  why cmake is needs?02:21
JontheEchidnalex79: it's not, but you forgot to remove it in a few places02:21
lex79oh ok02:21
vorianohmy02:21
vorianthe restart icon is missing from the systray02:22
JontheEchidna:o02:22
vorianafter an update, it looks like a missing desktop file maybe?02:22
JontheEchidnalex79: I was talking about bug 37818502:23
ubottuLaunchpad bug 378185 in kmplayer "Merge from debian unstable kmplayer 0.11.1a" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/37818502:23
JontheEchidnaoh, debian just did a no-changes new upstream release02:24
JontheEchidnanvm02:24
lex79JontheEchidna: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kmplayer02:24
JontheEchidnatechnically we still don't have 1ubuntu1 :P02:25
lex79I will merge, Tonio has uploaded new release :(02:25
JontheEchidnaactually, he never merged so it still needs one...02:25
lex79in that bug there was merge+new release02:25
lex79so now needs merge, ok?02:26
JontheEchidnayeah02:27
JontheEchidnaKDE packages in universe are looking pretty good merge-wise02:30
JontheEchidnaexcept for the kde3 packages no one cares about :P02:30
lex79ahahah yes02:31
lex79JontheEchidna: last in changelog   1:0.11.1a-0ubuntu102:49
lex79after merge02:49
lex791:0.11.1a-1ubuntu1 ?02:49
JontheEchidnayeah02:49
lex79:)02:49
JontheEchidnaI'm going to bed in a bit, so I'll sponsor it tomorrow02:50
lex79JontheEchidna: ok, night02:50
voriandtchen: poke03:00
vorian(a gentle poke at that)03:00
voriandtchen: i'm messing with things I shouldn't be (ALSA!!!!)03:09
rompstarHi, there!  I used the kernelcheck app to download and compile a new kernel, do I need to update Grub ? or anything else, because after I re-boot, still only showing the old kernel choices in Grub Menu04:58
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Quintasanhiho06:57
Tm_Tnooooooo06:59
Mamarokone more reason to ditch Pulseaudio: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19411707:04
ubottuKDE bug 194117 in general "Crash in pulseaudio while playing last fm stream" [Crash,Unconfirmed]07:04
Mamarokthis is only causing problems, over and over again...07:05
* Quintasan had only problems with PA07:10
Quintasanapachelogger, vorian, JontheEchidna: I've updated the description again, not much I can add since it is a very simple widget :/07:10
* Quintasan is off to school07:11
Riddellsebas: got the photo from yesterday?08:11
sebasRiddell: on the camera in the hotel room, I'll get it for you later ...08:19
=== Riddell changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Qt@Olso> love coming soon | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuKarmicSpecs | Sync/Merges: http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/multidistrotools/kubuntu-desktop.html | Be careful whilst packaging | Transitions: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/rgreening/KarmicPhononPackages and https://wiki.kubuntu.org/ScottKitterman/Libplasma-Dev
nixternalwhat kind of love Riddell?08:21
Riddellhot sticky love08:21
nixternalI think I just got sick :)08:23
Mamaroknixternal!08:23
Mamaroknixternal: how is your ankle?08:23
nixternalpretty bad...that's why I am up and decided to hop online08:24
Mamaroknixternal: ice, ice, and ice again, essential for the first 3 days08:24
Riddellinjury?08:24
nixternalmy plan was to take a break from IRC as it absorbs way to much time, but since I broke my ankle, I have nothing else to do :(08:24
nixternalMamarok: ya, the polar ice cap is getting smaller because of me08:25
Mamarok:)08:25
Hobbseenixternal: oh, darn.  You're supposed to avoid doing that!08:25
Mamaroknixternal: and get a better doctor who prescibs you some decent painkillers08:25
nixternalya, my ankle isn't green :)08:25
nixternalactually it is black and blue :)08:25
Mamarokprescribes*08:25
nixternalya, ibu isn't doing its thing08:26
nixternalup to 1000mg every 4 to 6 hours08:26
nixternali know it isn't good, but the pain is damn near unbearable for me, which usually isn't the case08:26
Riddellibu?  try some irn bru08:26
nixternallol08:26
nixternalsome irn bru or the pisco I had with nxvl at the last UDS08:26
Mamaroknixternal: Ibuprofen is 1200mg/24 hours, combine it with Paracetaml, 4 g/24 hours max08:27
nixternalI got so drunk one night on Pisco at Mt. View I could have broken everything and wouldn't have noticed08:27
nixternalholy smokes, ok, need to tone down that ibu then08:27
Mamaroknixternal: take both, that really will work better than ibu alone08:27
Riddellibuprofen is only an anti inflamatory, it won't remove all pain by itself /me looks at Mamarok to confirm08:28
rgreeningScottK: I have ktorrent which is in main. can you upload 4 me? Do you want the debdiff or...08:28
Mamarokyou really took 1 g of Ibuprofen every 4-6 hours? Man, you will have no stomach left!08:28
nixternal"While generally safe for human use at recommended doses, acute overdoses of paracetamol can cause potentially fatal liver damage..."08:29
nixternalI don't need any more live damage ;p08:29
rgreeninglive=liver08:29
MamarokRiddell: if it successfully reduces an inflammation, it does actually reduce pain, but in nixternals cas that's not enough08:29
nixternalya, thanks rgreening :)08:29
Mamarokhe should have been given some codeine08:29
rgreening:P08:29
Mamaroknixternal: it's save at max 4g/24 hours over a few days08:30
* Mamarok waves her pharmacist hat08:30
nixternali tried so hard to get codeine, but they won't prescribe for anything outside of surgery now I guess...especially here in Chicago08:30
Mamaroknixternal: that's idiotic, so you just grind your theeth or what?08:30
Mamaroka broken ankle is a true indication for codeine or tramadol08:31
nixternalno, I have a rag I naw on08:31
* Mamarok thinks the US health system is a desaster, and doctors are stupid to leave patients in pain08:32
rgreeningScottK: ktorrent phonon update for karmic... http://paste.ubuntu.com/181007/08:32
nixternalthe funny thing is, if i am just resting the ankle up, it hurts more...if i put a bit of weight on it, it doesn't hurt so much08:34
nixternalthough i am walking very funny today compared to yesterday08:34
nixternaland what is keeping me awake is when i move in bed and hit it with my other foot...worse than a leg cramp in the middle of the night08:35
Mamaroknixternal: pressure can reduce an existing pain, yeah, but you really have to put it up most of the time, that will hepl reduce the swelling08:35
Mamarokhelp* even08:35
nixternalya, it was up all day...i sat in my lazy boy chair all day long...first time ever I think08:35
nixternaltypical bachelor/guy...had to get the biggest most confy chair in the world, and don't even use it08:36
Mamaroknixternal: did you apply some bandage?08:36
Mamarokbandage helps reducing the swelling too and stabilizes the ankle08:36
nixternalya, my mom stopped by and got me one, better than what i got from the hospital08:37
nixternali had ice on it quite a bit today...that always made it feel a bit better08:37
ScottKrgreening: I still don't have my keys here.08:38
Riddellnixternal: I can do it08:38
Riddellnot nixternal08:39
Riddellrgreening: I can do it08:39
rgreeningRiddell: ty. :)08:39
rgreeningOk, so aftger ktorrent, that's all packages in main requiring an update for the libqt4-phonon-dev dep change08:40
Riddellrock08:40
rgreeningThere are 5 more requiring an update from universe. See here if you can help... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/rgreening/KarmicPhononPackages08:41
rgreeningRiddell: koffice2 .. did you update if last build fro libqt4-phonon-dev?08:41
Riddellrgreening: no, it still depends on libphonon-dev08:43
rgreeningok, seeing you built it last. and prob have the src... want to update it? :)08:43
rgreeningRiddell: ^08:43
Riddelldoing08:45
Riddellthat Global issue, there is a fix for Qt, I wonder where it is08:45
rgreeningty Riddell... that leaves 4 more packages :)08:46
Riddellsomewhere in their Git tree I expect, probably impossible to find now08:46
rgreeningQuintasan: all 3 uploads for you have been completed. Thank you for yuor contribution. :)  there are 4 left if you want to take another stab :)08:46
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rgreeningbizarre and cool... my ssh session survives a suspend/resume....08:58
nixternalumm, listening in on the Kubuntu Management session and it sounds like a damn Canonical Management session09:01
nixternalsomeone get whoever is talking back on track09:01
yuriynixternal: rick spencer is talking about what his job is09:01
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ScottKnixternal: The session is how can Canonical management help us better.09:02
HobbseeScottK: gosh, don't drown in the sarcasm there :P09:02
nixternalwhen is that going to start?09:02
ScottKHobbsee: I'm actually not being sarcastic.09:02
nixternalzzzZzzZzZZzzZzZzZz09:02
HobbseeScottK: hrm.  it seems you aren't.09:03
nixternalHobbsee: ya, not used to him not being sarcastic in this type of situation :p09:03
rgreeninglol09:05
rgreeningScottK irl <> ScottK irc :)09:05
ScottKThat's sebas talking.09:11
nixternalI know that09:11
ScottKNot everyone may.09:11
nixternali can tell his quiet little voice09:11
nixternalbig guy, small voice :)09:11
nixternalcome on ScottK and sebas, give it to um :p09:12
nixternal*cough* ayatana *cough*09:12
ScottK;-)09:12
nixternalooh, yes, netbook attack :)09:12
ScottKDifferent discussion.09:12
nixternalgrrr, I want to hear fur flying09:12
nixternalso glad sebas is there09:12
ScottK+109:13
nixternalhe is good to have if you all get jumped when going out at night as well :)09:14
nixternalI so need a netbook so I can get in on a KDE netbook remix deal09:15
nixternalclose the door to that room09:16
nixternalwoo, got some stuff finished before the doc freeze in KDE09:16
Tm_Twhat deal?09:16
nixternalhacking on it upstream, creating a netbook version09:17
nixternalno deal as in a business deal09:17
nixternalYES!09:17
Tm_Tnixternal: ah, roger09:17
nixternalI tried to get on the OEM team, but the manager was very rude and didn't interview properly...ie. he never called on the date he was supposed to....interesting how it happened while OpenWeek was going on and this little joke about blue headed step child was made09:18
nixternaltis part of the reason I don't even want to work in the community anymore...still trying to stomach it a bit09:19
Tm_Terrr09:20
Tm_Tnixternal: this is in Canonical?09:20
nixternalyup09:20
Tm_Twhatta... that's not how you build community and/or work team09:20
nixternalright, but nobody cared about the whole thing, so that made me not care09:21
freeflyingnixternal: whom you wanna contact? OEM manager in us?09:21
nixternaldon't want to contact anybody09:22
nixternalthe OEM manager or his assistant were rude and didn't contact me and didn't return emails09:22
nixternalif Rick wants to work with Kubuntu, shouldn't he at least be in the IRC channel? People have said they want to work with us, and then they never stick around the IRC channel or don't even come in here09:31
Hobbseeit sounds good in theory09:32
nixternalright09:32
Hobbseebut i share nixternal's concern09:32
nixternalit has always been a theory unfortunately09:32
ScottKnixternal: He's been in the channel a fair amount.09:32
nixternalwhat is his nick?09:32
Hobbseethat also applies to xubuntu, any other flavours, and motu, bugsquad, etc, and anyone who doesn't work for canonical, too.09:32
nixternalhe was in here when some discussion went on, but I never saw him after that09:32
Hobbseenixternal: rickspencer09:32
* nixternal greps logs09:33
nixternalok, I see he has hung out in here...but that is much like me hanging out in a channel lurking09:34
ScottKnixternal: He's been active at point too.09:34
Hobbseenixternal: my gut feeling is that more needs to go to the mailing lists, and people need to respond to that, rather than hte hours on irc, tbh09:35
Hobbseewhich is somewhat agnostic, i know09:35
nixternalHobbsee: you, myself, and others have said that for years :)09:35
Hobbseenixternal: drive away.  it's no longer my baby ;)09:35
Hobbseenot that it ever really was, but...09:35
nixternalwooo, been in here for just over 4 years now...I am a luser :p09:35
Hobbseei don't want anyone to leave here thinking that i'm committing to <blank>09:38
Hobbseewhat was that?09:39
yuriyHobbsee: stopping late breaking changes09:39
Hobbseeah09:39
HobbseeThere's no public list for that at least.  i'ts been requested by various on -devel-discuss, too09:40
Hobbseeafaik09:40
nixternalWTF09:40
Hobbseehm?09:41
nixternalnobody knows what KDE is?09:41
Mamarokwho said that?09:41
nixternalI think Rick just said it09:41
Hobbseenixternal: certainly not how it works, how it builds, etc.09:41
Hobbseewhta it depends on09:41
Hobbsee"kubuntu" to outsiders is like the oem team stuff, but public., to the general perception09:42
nixternalI think with translations ScottK, you need to talk to Jono and his new guy09:42
ScottKWe need to attack from all angles.09:43
nixternalkind of like what the Tech Board used to do years back?09:43
nixternalwho is rgreening's roommate?09:43
nixternaldoesn't his snoring suck?09:43
* ScottK and yes.09:43
nixternalI am still missing a sock from the last UDS09:43
nixternalI think it got sucked off of my foot09:44
nixternalScottK: dude, on the ship, have you ever heard anything other than a gunmount being that damn loud?09:44
ScottKIt's pretty incredible.09:44
nixternalpeople thought I was overexagerating it last year09:45
nixternal:)09:45
Hobbseedefine 'they'?09:45
* Mamarok thinks they don't know what snoring is till they hear markey09:45
nixternalLOL, hillarious09:45
nixternalwe have reached out, it doesn't last long09:45
nixternalwhy can't they reach out? why can't they even try to reach out?09:46
nixternalthe TB used to reach out and we would report weekly to them09:46
Hobbseerick, how are you intending to make this stuff sustainable?09:46
rgreeningnixternal, I found your sock... want it back :)09:47
nixternalhahhaa, no, because you probably processed it before finding it :p09:47
seeleHobbsee: are you listining to room 4?09:48
rgreeningwas it white once?09:48
seeledoh, i missed it09:48
Hobbseeseele: yeah09:48
nixternalseele: ya, we are listening to it09:48
nixternaldid you just wake up for it?09:49
Hobbseenot that i'm sure anyone's actually watching irc there09:49
Hobbseefeel like i'm talking to a brick wall, this UDS09:49
seelenixternal: no, i just happened to not be able to sleep :)09:49
nixternalHobbsee: :)09:49
nixternalseele: me either, broken ankle :(09:49
seelenixternal: ow :(09:49
nixternalthough it is about time for you to wake up there anyways09:49
nixternalit is going on 4am here09:49
nixternalrock on Dirk is talking about "Making Ubuntu BetteR"....tell um "Rich/nixternal said hi" :)09:50
seele5am here09:50
* Hobbsee is wondering if we're (you're) heading about this all the wrong way.09:51
nixternalHobbsee: I always gauge interest by Riddell's enthusiasm :)09:51
Tm_THobbsee: what you mean?09:52
seeleScottK: can you make sure someone (doesnt have to be you) pays attention to IRC during this next session?09:53
freeflyingwhat's the next session09:53
* yuriy tries to pay attention as long as he doesn't get kicked off09:53
nixternalseele: what session?09:54
nixternalnm, usability I am guessing :)09:54
seelenixternal: yeah09:54
freeflyingin which room?09:56
HobbseeTm_T: well, from past experience, anything that relies on people to get up and reach out, from either side, doesn't work so well, without someone going and reminding them each time, if htey haven't done so, and taking ownership of it09:57
Hobbseeany attempt at passing the buck to the community seems to fail.09:57
Hobbseeie, it doesn't seem to work as a long-term strategy09:57
Hobbseei do like the idea of getting kubuntu attendance to the ubuntu desktop team meeting09:59
Hobbseehwoever, i suspect that people won't come, as they'll feel they're interrupting with a canonical meeting.  I"m not sure how one solves that09:59
seeleargh, that's lame10:00
Hobbseei'm not sure how one solves the "one side spends way more collective hours on their side than the other", either10:01
seeleso there is no way to listen to the usability clinic?10:01
ScottKseele: I'll try.10:04
seeleScottK: it's not in room 4 anymore apparently? so there is no icecast?10:05
ScottKseele: Yes, I just found this out.  I'm sitting in the room where I thought it was.10:05
yuriyit's just a group around a table outside10:06
ScottKI'll try to go found find them.10:07
Riddellnixternal: rick is always on this channel (when he's on IRC)10:14
Tm_Tdoes he follow this channel too?10:15
nixternalRiddell: ya, i grep'd it from the logs10:16
seeleis anyone at the usability clinic? will the next hour be moved as well or will it be in room 8?10:24
yuriyi'm guessing they're staying at the outside table10:28
yuriythey've got signs and all10:28
seeleblah, well i'm not getting up early again10:34
nixternalthey did that purposely...I heard them say "Lets go outside so that crazy KDE person will leave us alone" :p10:36
Tonio_Riddell: amarok works here, appart from errors due to qtscriptgenerator11:51
Tonio_Riddell: otherwise I've been able to scan my collection, listen sound, use last.fm...11:52
RiddellNightrose: ^^11:54
Mamarokclaydoh, Riddell FYI, I put Ric Moore on moderation as his posts are almost only OT and thread hijacking11:54
* Hobbsee applauds Mamarok11:56
MamarokHobbsee: thx :)11:57
Mamarokthe same will go for all the other Yorkshire men if they continue btw11:58
RiddellMamarok: on -user?11:58
RiddellNightrose: I'm suspecting the crash on startup might be for users with existing amarok data, since tonio doesn't have any11:58
MamarokRiddell: yes11:59
NightroseRiddell: ok i'll move my settings and try12:00
ryanakcargreening: http://ryanak.ca/~ryan/kdetoys_4.2.2-0ubuntu2.debdiff12:01
Riddellyay, ryanakca is going to be a ninja!12:04
NightroseRiddell: you are right - it is something in share/apps/amarok - i suspect a script12:04
Nightroseinvestigating12:04
yuriyi had the lyrics applet causing crashes in the current version until i deleted all my amarok settings, so that might be worth a look12:05
ryanakcaRiddell: :)12:06
Nightroseyea it is something in the scripts folder...12:06
Nightrosenarf!12:06
Nightroseprobably the same problem we had with beta 112:06
Nightrosemeh12:06
ryanakcargreening: Updated12:07
Riddellhttps://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuKarmicPackaging  https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuKarmicDevelopment   up for comments and suggestions12:07
smarterhey12:12
smarterRiddell: doesn't s-c-p-k already has samba sharing?12:13
NightroseRiddell: wth - now it works12:13
* Nightrose doesn't get it12:13
Riddellsmarter: mm, maybe, I should look at it again and remind myself what still needs to be done12:16
* smarter is pretty sure he used it12:17
smarterwhat needs to be done however and we've been planned for Tonio_ for quiet some times now, is samba file sharing integration ("net usershare") in Dolphin and KDE in general12:17
smarter*with Tonio_12:18
Tonio_Riddell: yes this is something I'd want to talk with you this week12:18
Tonio_Riddell: the idea is basically to port nautilus-share to kde12:18
smarterTonio_: hi :)12:19
smarterbut in better :P12:19
Tonio_smarter: yop !12:19
Riddellwell we've spoked about it before.  it should be done.  if you think putting it on the spec would help we can do that12:19
Tonio_smarter: well just porting would be nice to start ;)12:19
Tonio_smarter, Riddell: I'll write a spec about that12:19
Tonio_Riddell: should we handle this privately or would you like this included in one of the remaining sessions ?12:20
RiddellTonio_: you can ask rick for a session if you want12:20
smarteron a totally unrelated note, what about including Basket back if the port gets finished?12:20
Tonio_Riddell: kk12:20
Riddellregister a blueprint and e-mail that to him, he'll schedule it12:20
* smarter is currently experimenting with making Basket use Plasma for its main view, à la Amarok :)12:20
Tonio_smarter: I'll write the spec today, will ask rick12:20
smarterok12:20
Tonio_and let you know :)12:21
RiddellTonio_: the session should be before writing the spec12:21
Tonio_Riddell: I was thinking blueprint, not spec, sorry ;)12:21
Riddellsmarter: basket is interesting, it might be something ubuntu 1 people could look at for their stuff12:21
smarterthat's one usecase I didn't think of, but why not :)12:22
Riddellsmarter: trouble with basket is it's yet another notes app and we already have two on the CD (plasma applet and knotes) a third seems overkill12:23
Riddellit would be nice if they shared file format at least, although I don't know if that makes sense technically12:23
smarterright12:23
* Riddell lunches12:24
smartersee you12:25
Riddellddd12:46
Viper550okay...I know this may have little to do with Kubuntu, but I'm doing the UI for an installer for a future KDE 4 distro12:51
Viper550http://imagebin.ca/img/9sLtLjm.png12:53
vorianyo13:03
Viper550good UI? It might enmd up being a full-screen-er like some other distros13:04
Viper550our current installer still uses qt/embedded, lol framebuffer13:04
JontheEchidnaRiddell: ping13:05
apacheloggerViper550: I, personally, do not like dialogs where you have to choose13:06
apacheloggerthe target audience of ark might, but I certainly do not ;-)13:06
Viper550our previous installer kinda had a "pre-Aero" like motif to that screen13:06
apacheloggerViper550: also, you might want to look into CSS theming, IMHO the suse installer looks pretty darn awesome13:07
Viper550I've noticed the new stylesheet stuff in qtdesigner, yes13:07
apacheloggerhm13:08
apacheloggerthere he goes13:09
apacheloggerand I just wanted to whine about how there should be spacers between the items to make it more obvious which description belongs to which item :D13:10
claydohMamarok: okey dokey, just prepare for the cranky old dudes to fam some flames :/13:17
RiddellJontheEchidna: pong13:17
JontheEchidnaRiddell: Hi, dunno if you have some time, but I have some kubuntu-archive-adminy things for some lucky guy to do: https://bugs.launchpad.net/~echidnaman/+reportedbugs?field.searchtext=sync13:18
Mamarokclaydoh: frankly, I don't give a ... those dudes refuse to behave, let them go elsewhere, we have enough work like that13:19
* JontheEchidna has been on a little UDS sprint at home13:19
Mamarokthey can do all the 4 Yorkshiremen stuff and bike shedding they want in sounder, not on -users13:19
JontheEchidnaAlso I think the "seperate the GTK theme module from gtk-qt-engine" is a bit more complicated than a packaging job. It has some functions tied in to gtk-qt-engine that would need to be removed13:21
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: are you on koffice 2.0.0?13:25
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: riddell uploaded that yesterday13:26
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: to where?13:26
JontheEchidnakarmic13:26
JontheEchidnaDo we want to transition koffice2 -> koffice soon?13:26
apacheloggerwell13:27
apacheloggerno13:27
apacheloggerunless we want to get more blame13:27
apacheloggeras we did for KDE and Amarok so far13:27
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: first regression testing I would say13:27
JontheEchidnahow about kdevelop? It's KDE3 version is half-broken in KDE4 as it is13:27
apacheloggerso we can at least prove that core functionality is available in koffice 2 as well13:28
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: transition13:28
apacheloggercan only become better :D13:28
JontheEchidnathought so, I have a kdevelop transition ready to upload once kdevplatform is synced13:28
JontheEchidnatransition/merge/new upstream release13:28
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apacheloggerJontheEchidna: btw, we want a backport of koffice2 I suppose13:30
apacheloggerespecially for regression testing13:31
JontheEchidnashould be fairly easy to throw up into -experimental13:31
JontheEchidnathen we can put a call out to -devel for regression testing from koffice113:32
apacheloggeralso kubuntu.org13:33
apacheloggerwhenever we post a news of a new software we should also call for regression testing13:33
apacheloggertracking the testing should be easier if ubuntu qa comes up with sensible tech :D13:33
RiddellJontheEchidna:13:34
apacheloggerafter all, a lot of people use our PPAs, so it would be a perfect way to also promote regression testing a lot more than we did before13:34
Riddellapachelogger: I've done koffice2 backport in my PPA13:35
JontheEchidnaoh, cool13:35
* JontheEchidna tests new koffice backport then13:35
Riddellwill move to backports when I get a sec13:35
Riddellthanks13:35
apacheloggerRiddell: we can copy as well :)13:35
apacheloggerRiddell: https://edge.launchpad.net/~jr/+archive/ppa?field.name_filter=koffice&field.status_filter=published&field.series_filter=any13:38
* JontheEchidna can't find packages either13:38
rgreeningo/ JontheEchidna13:38
JontheEchidna\o rgreening13:38
* rgreening nthinks JontheEchidna'[s weathgerwallpaper is da'bomb by!13:39
JontheEchidna:)13:39
Riddellmaybe I put koffice2 into kubuntu-ppa backports13:39
Riddellsorry network here is super slow just now can't look it up13:39
JontheEchidnargreening: a bit too much spiked kubuntu kool aid there?13:40
rgreeningno one sleeps!13:40
vorianhow'd the kubuntu session go yesterday?13:40
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/backports13:41
vorianthat good huh?13:41
vorian:P13:41
apacheloggerhopefully that works :P13:42
apacheloggerhrrhrr13:42
Mamarokhm, where is the lock file when one has a lock on the database for dpkg?13:46
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: btw, any progress on modifying the cdbs magic to use lzma by default?13:46
apacheloggerkubotu: seach dpkg lock file13:47
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: nop13:47
apacheloggerkubotu: google dpkg lock file13:47
kubotuResults for dpkg lock file: 1. How to fix lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily ...: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-fix-lock-varlibdpkglock-open-11-resource-temporarily-unavailable-error.html | 2. #240092 - dpkg: lockfile location - Debian Bug report logs: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=24009213:47
kubotu4. Bug#240092: dpkg: lockfile location: msg#00330 linux.debian.devel ...: http://osdir.com/ml/linux.debian.devel.dpkg.general/2004-03/msg00330.html13:47
ubottuDebian bug 240092 in dpkg "dpkg: lockfile location" [Wishlist,Open]13:47
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: ok, I think I will add it13:47
apacheloggerfor all of KDE13:47
apacheloggerif that causes any problems we can always restrict it to some packages13:48
Mamarokapachelogger: thx a lot :)13:55
JontheEchidna!aptfix13:57
ubottuIf an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »13:57
JontheEchidnaMamarok: ^ nice macro for future use13:57
MamarokJontheEchidna: yeah, found and used it, thx :)13:58
* Mamarok goes back to some bug killing13:58
* jussi01 waves13:58
* Quintasan waves to jussi01 and everyone14:00
Quintasanrgreening: good to hear, I'm going to my brothers house so I think I will send you debdiffs tomorrow14:05
QuintasanJontheEchidna, apachelogger, vorian: copypasted new description. thanks vorian :)14:05
vorian\o/14:06
Quintasanyou description is far more accurate than mine :D14:06
vorianQuintasan: simple programs are usually the hardest to write a description for14:06
* Quintasan needs more practice :P14:06
Quintasanhmm, I think I will start working on libqt4-phonon-dev packages14:07
JontheEchidnaI'm assuming that things in universe cannot build-dep on things in multiverse?14:11
dtchenvorian: yay!14:11
JontheEchidna(in ref. to the latter part of bug 379552)14:11
rgreeningQuintasan: ryanakca has done kdetoys and qtscriptengine and another...  the webdev one is left14:11
ubottuLaunchpad bug 379552 in kid3 "Sync kid3 1.2-1 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)." [Wishlist,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/37955214:11
jussi01argh14:11
jussi01thats annoying.14:11
rgreeningQuintasan -> chat with ryanakca :)14:12
Quintasanrgreening: I just started testbuilding :314:12
Quintasanrgreening: I should have debdiff in few minutes14:12
rgreeningQuintasan: which package>14:12
Quintasanrgreening: webdev14:12
RiddellJontheEchidna: syncs done14:12
rgreeningQuintasan: awesome14:13
Quintasanrgreening: I assume that the other one is kgraphviewer14:13
JontheEchidnaRiddell: thanks14:13
Quintasanbtw. anyone is working on kdebindings?14:13
rgreeningyes. Quintasan, actually he's havoing a boost error with it. want to chat with him on it?14:13
RiddellNew queue has 18020 items in it!14:14
rgreeningQuintasan: bindings will have to wait...14:14
Quintasanrgreening: I want to know since building new minirok fails because pykdeuic4.py has no +x on it :S14:15
jussi01JontheEchidna: you know the new "folders" view in dolphins left sidebar? is there any way to stop it centering on the folder you are in, just so it stays left aligned?14:15
Quintasanlol @ queue14:15
rgreeningQuintasan: kdebindings 4.2.85 == foo$bar and cannot currently build.14:15
JontheEchidnajussi01: in honesty I just hit "x" on that pane since I don't use it :P14:15
jussi01haha14:15
jussi01:D14:16
jussi01that "feature" is annoying as all heck...14:16
Quintasanhmm building failed14:16
vorianbump to 4.2.87 perhaps?14:17
Riddellsebas: about?14:18
Riddellor anyone seen sebas?14:19
rgreeningvorian: ?14:19
=== Riddell changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Qt love t-shirts are go | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuKarmicSpecs | Sync/Merges: http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/multidistrotools/kubuntu-desktop.html | Be careful whilst packaging | Transitions: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/rgreening/KarmicPhononPackages and https://wiki.kubuntu.org/ScottKitterman/Libplasma-Dev
rgreeningwas there a new snapshot/ver released vorian14:19
vorianrgreening: yeah, let's bump it all to .87 - I can whip out the quad core and get to work asap14:20
Quintasanwait, did I missed something about t-shirts?14:20
Quintasans/missed/miss14:20
rgreeningQt t-shirts at UDS14:20
vorian:/14:20
Quintasanoh, UDS14:20
rgreeningthey are Qt on them14:21
rgreeninghaha14:21
freeflyingnokia love ubuntu :)14:21
rgreeningbut only up to XL.. == 2 small 4 me14:21
rgreeningRiddell: what do you think on KDE 4.3 bump now to 4.2.8714:22
vorianbeta 2 is tagged next week14:23
apacheloggerRiddell, JontheEchidna: upgrade from stock jaunty works just fine14:23
rgreeningvorian: I think we need to complete the Transitions from topic above first for libqt4-phonon-dev and libplasma-dev14:23
Riddellrgreening: rationale?14:24
vorianplasma looks like it's done14:24
* Quintasan wonders how ppl would react seeing him at UDS14:24
vorianphonon, not so much14:25
rgreeningRiddell: vorian was asking.. but if it's being tagged next week, I assume we wait...14:25
vorianyeah, never mind14:25
Quintasanrgreening: webdev needs libxslt1-deb and libxml-dev as additional build-deps14:29
Quintasanthat's what I found so far14:29
rgreeningQuintasan: cool14:29
seelewhat is the Kubuntu QA? question and answer or quality assurance?14:30
Riddellquality assurance14:31
Hobbseethe latter, most likely14:31
apacheloggerQ&A vs. QA14:31
Riddellssues with14:31
Quintasanfinally building14:32
rgreeningvorian: can you get a snapshot of kdebindings and see if it builds against the existing 4.2.85 (probably wont unless you disable akonadi). Just curious...14:32
seeleRiddell: is this something i should listen to or will it be all technical?14:32
rgreeningit should tell us if kdebindings is in shape for next release.14:32
Quintasanthat reminds me I should check on Shaman14:33
rgreeningfor kde > 4.2.85 we need a newer akonadi packaged, and probalby need it packaged asap (if available).14:33
Riddellseele: I don't really have an agenda but I think it'll cover stuff like wifi and translations and how to test that better.  so user testing plans, not too technical but may not be your thing14:34
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Quintasan!info kdebindings14:45
ubottuPackage kdebindings does not exist in jaunty14:45
Quintasan!info python-kde4-dev14:45
ubottupython-kde4-dev (source: kdebindings): UIC compiler and SIP files for PyKDE4. In component main, is optional. Version 4:4.2.2-0ubuntu2 (jaunty), package size 280 kB, installed size 3640 kB14:45
Quintasanrgreening: http://pastebin.com/fce2698114:52
Quintasanrgreening: that's debdiff for webdev ofc :)14:52
nixternalhey, is the Kubuntu QA stuff going to have any participants from Ubuntu QA?15:11
Riddellnixternal: ara was here a second ago15:14
nixternalok groovy...she rocks the at-spi stuff for gnome15:14
nixternalok, i hear her again15:14
Riddellnixternal: got stuff to bring up?15:19
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nixternaljust get as much info out Ara that you can :) try to get her to switch to KDE so she can do work on KDE AT-SPI stuff :)15:23
nixternalQDBusBridge isn't enough unfortunately15:23
rgreening+1 on that nixernal :)15:24
nixternaljust so you all know, the auto testing stuff she is talking about we can't use because KDE doesn't have AT-SPI implementation like GNOME does15:25
seeleit's pretty much impossible to stay connected to the gobby doc15:25
nixternalKDE really needs this AT-SPI framework so we can utilize automated testing tools such as dogtail or LDTP15:28
nixternalwe can use them with Qt and QDBusBridge just as long the app developer exposes parts of their app for accessibility15:28
nixternalrgreening: quit whispering about me :p15:29
nixternalmy dog is smart...he peed on the Ubuntu CDs and not the Kubuntu ones :)15:30
JontheEchidnalol15:31
nixternalwe could probably use QA in levels. ie. a Foundations Level that would cover Bluetooth and Network, a Desktop Level that would cover the apps, and so on15:31
dtchenseele: yeah, the connectivity here sucks15:32
nixternalanother thing that would be nice too, is when we QA Kubuntu, maybe we should QA KDE built from svn right along side to see if we are getting the same results. This is something the openSUSE crew is doing as well as the Fedora crew..and they are starting to produce a really stellar KDE implementation right now15:32
dtchennixternal: yeah, i recommended that about 18 months ago15:32
dtchen(that -> track-level QA)15:33
nixternaldtchen: ok, so then I can expect this to happen in about another 6 to 12 months then :p15:33
nixternalright, track-level QA, perfect15:33
ScottKJontheEchidna: Are you around?15:33
seeledtchen: wow, there are 3 people from DC there?15:33
JontheEchidnaScottK: yes15:33
dtchenseele: yeah15:34
ScottKJontheEchidna: I'm trying to rebuild kdewebdev and it FTBFS.15:34
nixternalone from Chicago!15:34
nixternalthough Dirk is a Debian Developer and R Developer15:34
nixternaland he uses Kubuntu!15:34
ScottKHe gave a good pitch on R after lunch15:35
nixternalya, he is a good dude15:35
ScottKJontheEchidna: RUBY_INCLUDE_PATH (ADVANCED) was NOTFOUND15:35
seeleR as in the S replacement?15:35
nixternalwe (him, Christoph Lamater, and myself) are probably going to look at creating a Debian group here in chicago15:35
ScottKYes15:35
JontheEchidnaScottK: is that during cmake?15:35
ScottKYes.15:36
* JontheEchidna glances over towards apachelogger, the ruby master15:36
JontheEchidnaI think it's not finding ruby15:36
ScottKI'm trying to make a pastebin work15:36
ScottKYes, Ruby not found.15:37
ScottKhttp://pastebin.ubuntu.com:80/181312/15:37
nixternalewww ruby15:37
nixternalgrrr, testcases.qa.ubuntu.com == dead15:37
nixternalRiddell: for the ISO testing, I have been automating it with scripts and vmware...want to get it working with vbox15:38
nixternalanother thing I have done is put the iso on a pxe box with different kickstart scripts to test all of the general areas15:38
nixternalI can test every ISO step with every ISO (i386 and amd64) in about a day15:39
nixternaland when using verbosity with kickstart i can find out what is breaking and what isn't which is nice15:39
JontheEchidnaI don't see any ruby build-deps in the current webdev upload, I wonder how it built...15:39
ScottKJontheEchidna: That's why I pinged you as it's your upload.15:41
nixternalya, I had to do that for my last job15:41
nixternalno I won't share them, they are copyright, proprietary software, I am anti-free now!15:42
nixternalI want to get them working with vbox15:42
JontheEchidnahrm15:43
nixternalhrmm, wasn't it \sh who worked on the FAI stuff for Ubuntu/Debian? That would probably be better than Kickstart with Ubuntu, since Kickstart and d-i are not friends15:43
Nightroseyes he was15:43
* Nightrose guesses he is busy with the little one now though ;-)15:44
nixternal\sh: highlighting you dude, FAI or Kickstart? I have had issues with Kickstart and d-i...kickstart and anaconda is almost a dream15:44
nixternalnow that i do automated testing, you need to remember that you can't always rely on that, you still need some user intervention to make sure it rocks15:45
nixternal$$$$$ for the scripts :)  starving hacker here15:45
JontheEchidnacool, KDE is building on all the port archs now15:46
JontheEchidnaand the buildds are nice and free with everybody at UDS15:47
nixternalI have been working on the kde port of the usb creator15:48
nixternalit is a mess15:48
nixternalbecause they have tied gtk into it so much15:49
nixternalunetbootin15:49
nixternalthat is what I use for the time being in KDE, and unetbootin is built on KDE15:50
Riddellwhat is unetbootin ?15:50
nixternalit is the same thing that the usb writer thing is, and then some15:50
rgreeningnixternal, Riddell: I use it. works pretty well....15:52
seeleScottK: have you seen the newer version of dr. konqi?15:52
seelethe dev has been working on it15:52
nixternali had it patched to pull in the jaunty isos15:52
ScottKseele: I've heard about it, but haven't seen it.15:52
JontheEchidnathe new dr. konqi is nice15:52
JontheEchidnait tells you if the crash info is useful or not15:52
seeleyeah15:52
nixternalhonestly, i would rather patch unetbootin instead of Ubuntu's usb stuff, or fork unetbootin...the codebase of unetbootin isn't the prettiest either15:53
nixternaland it lets you restart the app too :)15:53
apacheloggerJontheEchidna, ScottK: take a look at how it tries to find ruby15:53
apacheloggertechnically it should do it the same way bindings does though15:53
JontheEchidnaScottK: for me it doesn't find ruby, but it doesn't FTBFS15:53
nixternalapport is only good if you have -dbg packages...dr. konqi actually provides better info even w/o the -dbg packages15:53
ryanakcaThen in that case, why not go for dr. konqi?15:54
ScottKnixternal: No.  If it gets uploaded to LP, it'll get retraced15:54
nixternalScottK: right, I have seen LP retrace and retrace and then go "oh shit, can't figure this out"15:54
JontheEchidnadr. konqi pretty much needs the -dbg packages or else the backtrace will be woefully incomplete15:54
JontheEchidnabut I agree that apport retracing is stupid15:55
nixternalJontheEchidna: right, but you still get enough info with it, more so than you do with apport non-LP15:55
nixternalwe can patch it easily to go to LP15:55
rgreeningya15:55
JontheEchidnathe excuses apport gives when it can't retrace are even stupider15:56
nixternalthat was the big thing with the rewrite of dr. konqi is so distros could easily set it up to work with their bug trackers15:56
JontheEchidnaapport-qt also doesn't use oxygen for some reason...15:58
nixternalhttp://websvn.kde.org/trunk/KDE/kdebase/runtime/drkonqi/ <- bugzillalib - we could have an lplib or such15:58
nixternalhrmm, lp api for c++?15:59
nixternalc++ -> python? have't done that before15:59
nixternalthough dr. konqi in 4.3 isn't going to be feature complete I don't think...we need to research that as well prior to really making any decision or if we should consider it further16:00
nixternalfor the action items, I can help with use cases and automation16:04
nixternalyes, all of it is in python16:05
nixternaloh wait16:05
nixternalI have a connection with Virtual Servers16:05
nixternalI can talk to the guy because he wants me to bring Kubuntu to his business16:05
nixternalif we provide some love, ie. marketing him on the planet and what not, he will probably hook us up with everything we need for something like that16:06
nixternalRiddell: would a virtualized Kubuntu setup, with multiple systems, help us at all? I have a friend who runs a company that allows people to use Ubuntu/Kubuntu over the Internet and I am sure he would provide us with some virtualized love if we needed it16:12
ScottKSo I just added ruby, ruby1.8-dev to the build dep and cmake was happy.16:12
nixternalI would barter with him of course to get it which is cool with me16:12
nixternalsomeone give Tonio a hug for me16:12
apacheloggermhh16:12
ScottKI'm not in a clean chroot, so it's probably something else I have installed.16:13
apacheloggerScottK: -dev only recommends ruby1.8 i think16:13
ScottKSo it's building for the moment.16:13
Riddellnixternal: that's what shtylman was talking about, ask him what his ideas were16:14
nixternalyay, Feature Parity between Ubuntu/Kubuntu :)16:14
nixternaloh, so you found shtylman :)16:14
Riddellwe did indeed16:15
nixternalgroovy16:15
nixternalyes, mic's are on, so quit making fun of me :p16:15
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nixternalhow about a feature parity with other KDE distros as well?16:17
nixternalScottK: ya, and I tested all of your damn changes in it16:22
apacheloggermost of the time nixternal doesn-ät make sense, is that normal?16:23
nixternalapachelogger: I am listening in to the ice cast sessions at UDS16:23
nixternalthat is what I am referring to there16:24
JontheEchidnanixternal: which room are you listening to?16:24
apacheloggerclearly there should be an own channel for that :P16:24
nixternalthe ubuntu/kubuntu parity one16:24
nixternalapachelogger: like anything else is going on in here16:24
JontheEchidnaah, room 816:25
apacheloggeryeah, but everything else got context one way or another :P16:25
nixternallisten in, otherwise don't hang out with the cool kids16:25
apacheloggerpff16:26
nixternalhehe16:26
JontheEchidnathe sound is much better than last year16:26
* apachelogger goes searching for something for his sun burn16:26
nixternalScottK: come on, it is great, who needs cruft :p16:26
nixternalthe only thing it ever removed was a deb I downloaded16:26
apacheloggerkruft!16:26
nixternalkrap16:26
JontheEchidnapeople should remove kruft by hand with dpkg!16:26
apacheloggerreally16:27
apacheloggerkruft is such an unimportant topic16:27
apacheloggerseriously, the mole on nixternal's back is more important than kruft16:28
nixternalhow do you know about that mole?16:28
* JontheEchidna wonders who is talking now16:28
JontheEchidnaneeds moar video feeds16:28
* apachelogger is ninja and therefore must know everything everytime16:28
rgreeningapachelogger: I thought I was the only one who knew about the mole16:28
nixternalwhat am I doing right now?16:28
rgreeningew16:29
apacheloggerscratching yer balls16:29
nixternalrgreening: damnit, what happens at UDS stays at UDS16:29
nixternalapachelogger: WRONG!16:29
JontheEchidnalol16:29
apacheloggeruh16:29
apacheloggerthat reminds me16:29
\shnixternal: FAI on Debian deploying ubuntu ,)16:29
nixternalhehe, I did that at cleversafe :)16:29
apacheloggerhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tm_xvfnNSY16:29
nixternalFAI == yes, no, yes, no, yes, yes, yes, no :)16:29
JontheEchidnaI am part of the usecase where Xorg doesn't detect my monitor16:31
JontheEchidnaI have a custom non-user-friendly xorg.conf16:31
nixternalwe are an alien-friendly distro16:31
nixternalwho cares about users16:31
apacheloggeraliens!16:31
JontheEchidnawhich I have backups of so that I never lose16:32
JontheEchidnait16:32
nixternalyes, Kubuntu is GNU/Linux for everybody16:32
nixternalunlike Ubuntu who is Linux for humans16:32
nixternalthey discriminate16:32
apacheloggerhm16:32
apacheloggerGNU/Linux16:32
apacheloggerI don't like that16:32
apacheloggershould be Linux/GNU16:32
nixternalGNU/Linux16:32
nixternalshould be Hurd :p16:32
apacheloggeror GNU and Linux16:32
apacheloggeror Linux with GNU16:32
apacheloggersomething like that16:32
apacheloggernew booty?16:33
nixternalGNUNIIL16:33
apacheloggerthat session is seriuosly weird16:33
nixternalseriously boring16:33
* apachelogger switches back to depeche mode16:33
nixternalwho's laptop sucks? it keeps spinning up the fan16:33
JontheEchidnakpackagekit had a "the package manager is working icon" but we disabled it due to notification system bugs16:34
nixternalsounds like a 747 moving around the tarmac16:34
apacheloggeragreed16:34
nixternalGNASH installer!16:36
nixternalflash is just as broken anyways16:36
JontheEchidnaThe flash player installer works except when websites try to detect flash themselves16:36
freeflyingnixternal: a lot of laptop do in this way16:36
JontheEchidnasuch as youtube and cnn16:36
nixternalnot mine16:36
nixternalmy fan hardly turns on until I do 'make -j3'16:36
freeflyingnixternal: I'm jealous, what the brand of your laptop16:37
nixternalboth my Dell and Compaq are like that16:37
nixternalIntel C2D16:37
apacheloggercan reproduce on dell16:37
freeflyingnixternal: my hp is really sucks16:37
JontheEchidnawe have mountmanager16:38
JontheEchidnaIt's better than qt-parted, that's for sure16:39
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: nah16:42
apacheloggerdifferent uses16:42
apacheloggerparted is for parting16:42
apacheloggermanager is for managing mounts :P16:42
apacheloggeranyway, there is a KDE parting application coming along nicely with kcm and all16:42
JontheEchidnaoh, I'm thinking of another app...16:42
apacheloggeryeah, I dunno what it is called either16:43
apachelogger!info partitionmanager16:43
ubottupartitionmanager (source: partitionmanager): partition manager for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.0~beta1a-0ubuntu2 (jaunty), package size 527 kB, installed size 1968 kB16:43
apacheloggerthat one it is16:43
JontheEchidnayeah16:43
nixternalapachelogger: KDE Partition Manager16:43
JontheEchidnaI don't really like mountmanager's gui16:45
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: lzma in the qt-kde .mk seems to be working just fine16:45
apacheloggersee testbuild of kdetoys in my staging ppa16:45
JontheEchidnacoolness16:45
apacheloggershould I upload to karmic?16:46
JontheEchidnamight wanna see some other opinions about it16:47
JontheEchidnabut I don't forsee any problems with uploading it16:48
Riddellapachelogger: I'm curious why it isn't just default for debhelper16:51
apacheloggerRiddell: requires a lot more resources at compression16:51
apacheloggercompared to gzip16:51
apacheloggerdecompression is about the same as gzip though16:52
Riddelldoesn't seem like a good excuse to me, a bit more work on the buildds isn't a major issue16:52
apacheloggerwell that is the only shortcoming I know of16:52
apacheloggerRiddell: plus this also means more work for testbuilds etc.16:53
apacheloggerthat said, maybe I should check for an env variable, so one can turn off lzma compression16:53
Riddellmm, yes16:54
ryanakcargreening: Don't bother with that kdetoys debdiff I sent you, I made the changes against the jaunty instead of the karmic version17:25
* JontheEchidna decides to upgrade to karmic while it's relatively non-broken17:26
nixternalRiddell: is all the system-config-printer-kde stuff done in KDE svn now?17:29
=== santiago-pgsql is now known as santiago-ve
nixternalnm, found it in kdeadmin17:41
Mamarokclaydoh: you around?17:43
claydohMamarok: yes, just arrived :)17:44
claydohstill can't get into the admin area :(17:44
Mamarokclaydoh: see my mail to -users, could you confirm that this will not be arbitrary?17:44
claydohsure, will do so now17:45
Mamarokthx :)17:46
Mamarokthe only one on moderation flag now is Ric, and of course the spammer who sends html mails and "funny" jokes17:46
Mamarokwhat was his name again...17:47
Mamarokclaydoh: Duleep17:47
claydohMamarok: sent18:29
Riddellnixternal: kdeadmin s-c-p-k is up to date.  I tend to develop it in bzr if I'm doing dev during kde freezes, otherwise in SVN18:34
Riddellit's Artemis_Fowl18:38
Artemis_Fowlit's Riddell :)18:39
RiddellI saw your name on a book in an airport vending machine18:39
Artemis_FowlArtemis Fowl? this is just a nickname18:39
Riddelloh don't go spoiling it.  admit it you're a famous author18:40
Artemis_FowlxD18:40
Artemis_Fowli am trying to keep a low profile18:40
Artemis_Fowlbut it's not that easy18:40
jjesseArtemis_Fowl: what famous author are you?18:42
Artemis_FowlI suppose I am Eoin Colfer, author of the Artemis Fowl novel series18:43
jjessewow18:44
ryanakcaArtemis_Fowl: Not living in Ireland anymore? How's Greece?18:47
nixternalRiddell: groovy, I went ahead and put it in a bzr branch for me...want to check out the smb stuff for it18:47
Riddellnixternal: actually I've no idea if smb is implemented or not, you just need to compare its functionality against system-config-printer-gnome and see what's missing18:48
Artemis_Fowlryanakca: wonderful. it's getting hotter day by day18:48
RiddellI think smb works if you have the URL but the autodetection is missing18:48
Mamarokclaydoh: thanks :)18:49
voriankdelibs has a revision for core dev review please :)18:49
vorian( a very small revision )18:49
nixternalRiddell: right, that is what I am attempting to do now, but stupid eclipse is irking me right now18:52
claydohMamarok: tho I still can't get in to the admin for the list :(18:52
Riddellnixternal: emacs!18:52
nixternalactually it isn't eclipse's fault, it is silly aptana and pydev18:52
Riddellwell, I'd actually use kate but that's not quite as funny18:52
nixternalRiddell: text editors just don't get it for me anymore18:52
claydohMamarok: so I can't help admin the moderateed users18:52
nixternalI have been spoiled by IDEs18:52
Riddellclaydoh: why not?18:55
claydohRiddell: I don't know, the password is good, just won't let me in18:59
claydohwhich is odd as I could get in before19:00
Riddellclaydoh: then what makes you think the password is good?19:00
claydohMamarok is using it just fine19:00
claydohRiddell and Mamarok: um, er, nevermind. pebkac :(19:06
apacheloggerhm19:14
apacheloggerubuntu-mozilla-daily is prevent me from getting QCA running in kubuntu-kde-nightly19:14
apacheloggerwhat a drag19:14
apacheloggerand 2 people need to build the kernel19:25
apacheloggerhooray19:25
apachelogger-.-19:25
Artemis_Fowlhmm19:29
Artemis_Fowlquestion19:29
Artemis_Fowlis it possible to invoke a shell, run a single command and then quit?19:29
Artemis_Fowleg, something like "sh ls -l"19:29
Quintasan|elsewhargh, flash drvies me crazy, I can't get sound to work :S19:32
Quintasan|elsewhdrives*19:32
apacheloggerArtemis_Fowl: sh -c "ls -l"19:32
apacheloggerhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hau-7GYt3_k&feature=related19:32
Artemis_Fowloh good19:33
Artemis_Fowllet's see if this is gonna work19:33
JontheEchidnawhy is prt scr right next to backspace? :(19:40
Artemis_Fowlgot it working19:43
Artemis_Fowlat last19:43
Artemis_Fowlladies and gentlemen Automagic Support is almost finished in KGRUBEditor19:44
JontheEchidna\o/19:44
Artemis_Fowl(although a little bit bugged :)19:44
JontheEchidnaAny core-dev around to sponsor bug 380708?19:55
ubottuLaunchpad bug 380708 in konversation "New upstream release (Konversation 1.2 alpha2)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/38070819:55
Viper550okay, this new 'stylesheet" stuff in qt4, how do I use it?20:14
RiddellViper550: you need to download the version of qt with the QtDeclarative library, compile that, then run it20:30
Viper550Noughmad, in qt-desginer. I see the options, and applying stylesheets to stuff in it works20:31
RiddellViper550: oh right, I misunderstood20:34
RiddellI've not used the stylesheet stuff but there should be docs on doc.qtsoftware.com20:35
apacheloggerI would just take a look at the suse installer :P20:35
Viper550apachelogger, that's exactly what I wanted to do something like20:36
Riddellhttp://doc.qtsoftware.com/4.5/stylesheet.html20:39
lex79launchpad bug 38071720:42
ubottuLaunchpad bug 380717 in kmess "Merge kmess 2.0~beta2-1 from debian unstable" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/38071720:42
Riddelllex79: is this a hint that it's my archive day? :)20:43
lex79yeah :) ahahah20:44
lex79launchpad bug 37578620:45
ubottuLaunchpad bug 375786 in kde-style-qtcurve "New upstream release kde-style-qtcurve 0.62.9" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/37578620:45
apacheloggeryay20:45
apacheloggerfakeroot messes with env vars20:45
apachelogger\o/20:45
Riddelltoo many geeks, kmess is taking ages to download20:48
jussi01Riddell: *g*20:49
=== raymond is now known as ray_seattle
ray_seattlehi there20:49
ray_seattleI re-cimpled a new kernel and updated by Grub file, after reboot I still see only the old kernel, what is going on ? 9.0420:49
apacheloggerhm20:50
Riddelllex79: -include /usr/share/pkg-kde-tools/makefiles/1/cdbs/kde.mk20:50
Riddell+include /usr/share/pkg-kde-tools/qt-kde-team/1/debian-qt-kde.mk20:50
Riddelllex79: is there a reason for that?20:50
apacheloggerRiddell: I don't think the lzmaification can be deactivated via an env var20:50
apacheloggersomehow at least debuild messes with the vars in a way that nothing but a very small amount get sleft20:51
Riddellapachelogger: surely it can, it's activated by one is it no?20:51
apacheloggerno, it should be on by default20:51
Riddellapachelogger: tried export FOO ?20:51
lex79Riddell: pkg-kde-tools transition20:51
apacheloggerRiddell: yes20:51
* jussi01 sighs... wasnt gcal integration into kontact done?20:52
apacheloggerif I try to get the output manually via fakeroot make debian/rules blah  it works20:52
apacheloggeruh20:52
apacheloggerfuns20:52
apacheloggerRiddell: it also appears to be working with dpkg-buildpackage20:52
apacheloggerAs environment variables can affect the building of a package, often unintentionally, debuild sanitises the environment by removing all environment variables except for TERM, HOME, LOGNAME, GNUPGHOME, PGPPATH, GPG_AGENT_INFO, FAKEROOTKEY, DEB_*, the (C, CPP, CXX, LD and F)FLAGS variables and their _APPEND counterparts and the locale variables LANG and LC_*. TERM is set to `dumb' if it is unset, and PATH is set to20:53
apachelogger "/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11".20:53
apacheloggerone could do ... export NO_LZMA=1; debuild -e NO_LZMA20:54
apacheloggeror20:54
apacheloggermaybe20:54
apachelogger...20:54
Riddellray_seattle: we're not kernel people, try #ubuntu20:55
apacheloggeryehha20:55
apacheloggerDEB_NO_LZMA to the rescue20:55
apachelogger\o/20:55
claydohyay kmymoney kde4 started: http://soliverez.com.ar/drupal/node/5820:59
JontheEchidnaRiddell: could you sponsor bug 380708 and bug 380601 please?20:59
ubottuLaunchpad bug 380708 in konversation "New upstream release (Konversation 1.2 alpha2)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/38070820:59
ubottuLaunchpad bug 380601 in kdevelop-kde4 "Request for removal (source only)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/38060120:59
yuriy_nixternal, JontheEchidna: wow you're right, dr konqi is much improved in 4.321:00
apacheloggerof course it is21:00
yuriy_I can't install -dbg packages to really test though21:00
yuriy_do you know what information it submits in addition to the backtrace?21:01
apacheloggerkde version, app version, gcc etc. I suppose21:01
apacheloggereverything you would usually get asked by bko anyway21:01
JontheEchidnayeah21:01
Riddelllex79: uploaded21:01
RiddellJontheEchidna: let's see how the bandwidth holds up21:01
* apachelogger thinks dr. konqi should really be able to retrace with dbg packages21:01
JontheEchidnaRiddell: hehe, is barcelona's internets that bad?21:02
yuriy_apachelogger: doesn't it?21:02
apacheloggernot retrace21:02
apacheloggerit just whines at you if the bt is crap21:02
yuriy_apachelogger: that's the impression i got from the interface, I just can't test because there's not enough bandwidtth here to fetch dbg packages21:02
lex79Riddell: thanks21:02
apacheloggerwhat it should do is tell you that you are missing packages and if you want to download it and if you want to it should do so and then retrace21:02
yuriy_apachelogger: that's almost exactly what the dialog says. what actually happens if you tell it to reload the trace after installing the packages?21:03
apacheloggerI dunno21:03
apacheloggershould be automated anyway21:03
=== yuriy_ is now known as yuriy
apacheloggerI don't see why $distro can't deploy a destkop file stating that $app needs $dbgpackage for debugging21:03
yuriyapachelogger: we can probably patch dr konqi to do that if we want to use it21:04
apacheloggerand another one to state that $app $args $package is used to install said package21:04
apacheloggeryuriy: nah, we can do that upstream21:04
apacheloggerpatching it would be the suse way of doing things :P21:04
yuriybut upstream there is no standard for installing a package21:04
apacheloggerthere doesn't need to be21:04
apacheloggerdesktop file21:04
apachelogger$distro deploys desktop file to inform KDE apps about how to install packages21:05
* yuriy needs to crash something smaller than plasma and check this out21:05
RiddellJontheEchidna: it is with all the geeks gone back to their rooms.  who knows what they're doing to take up so much bandewidth21:05
apacheloggerthe very same can be done for khelpcenter21:05
nixternallol21:05
JontheEchidnaheh21:05
apacheloggeressentially they could really use the same lib for the better part of work21:05
nixternalRiddell: its official, system-config-printer code base is scary :)21:06
Riddellnixternal: it is?21:06
nixternalyes it is21:08
Riddellnixternal: mostly it's copy and paste and adapt from the gnome version21:08
nixternalactually not scary, just a mess21:08
apacheloggerhm21:08
Riddellalthough we can't use threads in system settings21:08
apacheloggerit is a mess because it is python21:08
apacheloggerjust like it would be bloated if it was c++ :P21:08
nixternalapachelogger: I would have to agree on that part21:08
nixternaland that part as well :)21:08
seelenixternal: are you a red wings fan?21:08
* apachelogger waits for working pkg-kde-tools to publish21:08
* Riddell gags apachelogger before he gets a chance to say how ruby would solve every problem :)21:08
nixternalseele: ummm, did you just disrespect me?21:08
nixternal;p21:08
nixternalGO HAWKS!21:08
apacheloggersoyuz is way too slow for that name21:08
yuriy can't use threads in system settings?21:08
apacheloggerRiddell: ah, well, since python is messy and c++ is bloated there is only one real option anyway :P21:08
apacheloggerjavascript!21:08
apacheloggeroh dear21:08
seelenixternal: lol21:10
* seele needs to find jorge21:10
seeleit is very likely the pens will play the redwings again for the stanley cup finals21:10
apacheloggerhm21:10
apacheloggeris it just me or is the PPA interface at times confusing?21:10
apacheloggerin one column it says "Published" ... "8 minutes ago"21:10
Mamarokapachelogger: you should check the meaning of the word then...21:10
Mamaroksoyuz just means "union"21:10
Mamaroknothing to do with speed21:10
apacheloggerand it the build status it says that the binary is not yet published21:10
* yuriy decides to bite the bullet and download kdebase-workspace-dbg and tries to crash plasma again21:10
apacheloggerso clearly soyuz should either make it more visible what is source and what is binary or it should apply the published column to both21:11
apacheloggerone way or another it is still too slow21:11
apacheloggermust be because of the python mess :P21:11
neversfeldeif I am requesting a sync, should I subscribe Ubuntu Package Archive directly before import freeze and not ask MOTUs?21:12
apacheloggerMamarok: like rosetta is called rosetta because the word rosetta means ehm well, it is a female name :P21:12
apacheloggerneversfelde: a MOTU needs to ack21:12
apacheloggeralso you don't need to file sync requests unless there is need for a manual sync21:13
neversfeldethen I do not understand the comment for bug 38042321:13
ubottuLaunchpad bug 380423 in arora "Please sync arora 0.7.0 (universe) from debian unstable" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/38042321:13
Mamarokapachelogger: nope, Rosetta, like the RRosetta stone :)21:14
apacheloggerneversfelde: 2) is weird21:14
apachelogger1) is what I said :P21:14
neversfeldeand what should I do if there is no need for a manual sync?21:14
apachelogger1 actually makes 2 invalid21:14
lex79Riddell: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/ScottKitterman/Libplasma-Dev21:14
lex79plasma-widget-quickaccess21:14
yuriyapachelogger: if the retracing does work and it can be changed to submit to LP, would you prefer dr konqi over apport crash handling?21:14
yuriyand nixternal ^21:14
apacheloggeryes21:15
apacheloggerneversfelde: because if you request a sync for a package that got an ubuntu change you need to justify why sync and not merge and the archive admins shouldn't really have to mess with finding out if it really should be a sync instead of a merge21:15
apacheloggerthat is why a MOTU should ack the request, to ensure that we indeed can sync and thus get rid of all ubuntu changes21:16
apacheloggerMamarok: so for soyuz you justify the slowness with the meaning of the word but for rosetta with the thing it is named after?21:17
apacheloggerseriously21:17
neversfeldeapachelogger: so it was the right way to file a sync bug?21:17
RiddellJontheEchidna: what's the status of kdevelop?21:17
apacheloggerswitching the view by 180 degrees we get: soyuz - space craft - should be fast - isn't ... rosetta - name - really a shame for everyone named rosetta :P21:17
JontheEchidnaRiddell: kdevelop is at its kde4 version and built on all archs for karmic21:18
apacheloggerso I personally would go with: soyuz - spacecraft - should be fast isn't ... rosetta - stone - not moving in any case anywhere :P21:18
JontheEchidnaexcept for armel21:18
RiddellJontheEchidna: do you think upstream are ok with us getting rid of kde 3 version?21:18
JontheEchidnaRiddell: it's half-broken anyways due to the lack of kde3 kio slaves and konsole kpart21:19
* rgreening loves JontheEchidna FOR packaging kmediafactory :)21:19
Mamarokapachelogger: ask sabdfl, he will confirm both the meaning of the russian word "soyuz" and why he choose Rosetta21:19
apacheloggerneversfelde: yes, but now ... check the version in karmic it is a debian version that was synced at some point (there aint is no ubuntuX), so until debian import freeze arora will be auto-synced once a week21:19
apacheloggerMamarok: ok, so soyuz fails the unity use case21:19
jussi01rgreening: Ill love someone if they package this :D http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/extragear/pim/googledata21:20
apacheloggerI can't copy packages from ubuntu karmic to my ppa21:20
JontheEchidnargreening: lex did the kde4 porting for the packaging21:20
JontheEchidnaall I did was upload a bugfix release21:20
RiddellJontheEchidna: ok, gone21:20
apacheloggerthat ain't much unified really. ... that said that I have to copy where indeed a link would be much more appropriate is less unifiying than the issue above :P21:20
* rgreening hugs lex too21:20
neversfeldeapachelogger: ah ok, I did not know about automatic syncs :)21:20
apacheloggerneversfelde: righto21:20
lex79rgreening:  :)21:21
neversfeldethank you21:21
JontheEchidnado versions like 4.0-1build1 get auto-synced?21:21
apachelogger*shrug*21:21
apacheloggerRiddell: do they?21:21
JontheEchidna(e.g. fakesyncs or rebuilds)21:21
yuriylooks like the report a bug function got a bit better in 4.3 as well21:21
Riddellapachelogger: do who what?21:21
apacheloggerneversfelde: if you need a quick sync, because for example you want to backport it, you can also ask an archive admin to do that real quick21:21
apacheloggerRiddell: does *buildX get auto-synced21:22
Riddellyes21:22
Riddellonly *ubuntu* isn't autosynced21:22
apacheloggerneato, thx21:22
Riddellthat's the whole point of using buildX21:22
neversfeldeapachelogger: I wanted to file a backport request for aurora, so seems to be a good mistake to file a sync request ;)21:22
apacheloggerwell, still an archive admin needs to process the bug21:23
apacheloggerso you might want to boke Riddell anyway :P21:23
apacheloggerso, the bug really slowed you down in the backport process :P21:23
neversfeldehum ok21:23
apacheloggerjussi01_ wrote something and I am too lazy to scroll21:23
apacheloggerwhat to do, oh what to do21:24
Riddellneversfelde: arora should get autosynced as he says, but autosync won't be run this week since we're all at UDS21:24
JontheEchidnaah, I was wondering why autosyncing was taking so long21:25
apacheloggerRiddell: why does that need to be run manually anyway?21:26
neversfeldeRiddell: ok, have fun in spain :)21:26
apacheloggeri.e. why isn't it cron'ed?21:26
* JontheEchidna reboots into karmic21:27
apacheloggermhhh kexec21:27
Riddellneversfelde: synced21:27
neversfeldeRiddell: and thank you for accepting it21:27
neversfelde:)21:27
Riddellapachelogger: I've never worked that out, it's always been run manually21:28
rgreeninghalllllllllllllllllllllppppppppppppppp!21:28
apacheloggerhehe21:28
Riddellif we don't hear from JontheEchidna within 10 minutes, panic21:28
apacheloggerit makes it a manual autosync :D21:28
apacheloggerrgreening: what do you need halp with?21:29
apacheloggerah, my makefile magic in project-neon is flawed21:29
apacheloggerand I am lagging for some unkown reason21:30
rgreeningapachelogger: Tonio_ :P21:30
apacheloggerwhat you are doing to him?21:31
apacheloggerah hold on, I don't wanna know21:31
daskreech1apachelogger: Your awesomeness slightly exceeds the speed of the universe. It'll catch up21:31
apacheloggeruhh21:31
* apachelogger hands daskreech1 a cookie21:32
=== daskreech1 is now known as Daskreech
Tonio_rgreening: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~david.edmundson/usb-creator/kde-frontend21:32
Tonio_rgreening: you need a web browser to open this fyi21:32
Daskreechnumnumnumnumnum21:32
jussi01Tonio_: hey!21:33
apacheloggerweb browsers are so 90's21:33
rgreeningTonio_: smb21:33
Tonio_jussi01 hey ;)21:33
Tonio_rgreening: almost :)21:33
rgreening:P21:33
jussi01Tonio_: did you have any time to look at the mobile broadband thing for the nm plasmoid?21:34
Tonio_rgreening: it's a concept like smb, but links are opened with one clik :)21:34
Tonio_with smb it's generally two21:34
Tonio_the only difference I can see so far ;)21:34
DaskreechWhat's the FOSS version of SMB ?21:34
apacheloggerSMB21:34
yuriytomsdale: damn plasma in 4.3 crashed once and now I can't get it to happen again, and I've been trying21:34
yuriyoops21:34
DaskreechThat sucks21:34
yuriyTonio_:21:34
apacheloggeryuriy: lul21:35
apacheloggerJontheEchidna made it!21:35
JontheEchidnayup!21:35
JontheEchidnafeels pretty much like jaunty + kde 4.321:35
apacheloggernot worth the fuzz, huh?21:35
rgreeningTonio_: how do i open a web browser?21:36
JontheEchidnathe pager applet lost my number of rows setting, as usual on upgrades, but otherwise it went well21:36
rgreeningNOT!21:36
Riddellrgreening: family project!21:36
* apachelogger falls of chair21:37
* Daskreech puts another chair under apachelogger21:37
apacheloggeruh21:37
* apachelogger hands Daskreech another cookie21:37
tomsdale yuriy, I still feel with you :-)21:39
apacheloggeryeah, I also get said when plasma stops crashing21:40
apacheloggers/said/sad21:40
Tonio_smarter: talking about smb, we'll have a discussion and a spec for the nautilus share port21:41
smarterokay21:41
rgreeninghave you seen the family stone?21:41
rgreeningwe are tame21:41
JontheEchidnaeeeew: http://imagebin.ca/view/sNsH79B.html21:41
rgreeningRiddell: ^21:41
Riddellhttps://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuKarmicQA  comments and fixes welcome22:00
DaskreechRiddell: Looks standard22:03
* Riddell wonders if that's good22:03
DaskreechMe too22:04
neversfeldethere are other network backends?22:05
DaskreechWhat are out beta installs?22:07
Viper550 okay arrgh I set a background image to a frame, and now everything inside that frame has that background. Don't want that22:08
DaskreechRiddell: I think a feedback plasmoid is a troke of brilliance22:12
JontheEchidnaThe Amarok beta2 packages in karmic work fine22:12
JontheEchidnaNightrose: ^22:12
Daskreech++s22:12
MamarokJontheEchidna: not usable in Jaunty AFAIK22:12
RiddellViper550: widgets are transparent in qt these days22:12
Viper550nm... needed to add  background: url() to the stylesheet22:13
JontheEchidnathe collection scanner is nice and snappy in 2.122:13
DaskreechWith compositing on?22:13
Viper550no. I'm in qt-designer22:14
apacheloggerRiddell: on out beta22:14
apacheloggertypo22:14
JontheEchidnaok, so the karmic packages work just fine, but not the jaunty backports?22:14
MamarokJontheEchidna: it seems not, Nightrose talked about earlier today22:14
apacheloggerRiddell: I would actually think that it makes more sense to send the data to a server that stores it in a db and spits it out in sensible html22:15
Daskreech*koffkoff* Knowhere *koff*22:15
Riddellapachelogger: that's another possibility, I think I'm leaning towards that now22:15
DaskreechI wish someone would pic Knowhere back up :(22:16
Daskreechpick22:16
apacheloggerRiddell: it would certainly be easier to parse it that way22:16
MamarokJontheEchidna: there were backported? then it might work, as the Karmic packages did not work in Jaunty (KDE version mismatch IIRC)22:16
Daskreechwe could easily count the terms bucking fastards22:17
JontheEchidnaMamarok: oh, they probably weren't22:17
* JontheEchidna is confusing issues it seems22:17
JontheEchidnaI could probably backport the ones from karmic22:18
JontheEchidnabut I won't be able to test them since I just upgraded to karmic22:18
apacheloggervm22:22
ScottKapachelogger: What's the url to your translations rant?22:31
apacheloggerwhich one? :D22:31
apacheloggerScottK: that one? http://apachelog.blogspot.com/2009/04/facts-about-rosetta-and-kubuntu-l10n.html22:32
ScottKapachelogger: Yes.  That one.  Thanks.22:36
Viper550Riddell, http://imagebin.ca/img/RszzV1Ef.png ahh22:47
nixternalthat's just a bit much text for such a small dialog isn't it?22:49
Viper550nixternal, well, I've been assuming it might get full-screened22:50
nixternaleven for full screen, that would be like reading a EULA there is so much text22:50
nixternalI would try to split that up if possible22:51
nixternalif you can't make the UI intuitive enough that you need that much write up, then I would suggest a [ Help ] button maybe?22:51
nixternaland just have the help button popup a dialog that will contain the necessary help info22:52
Viper550nixternal, our old installer kinda had the same thing22:54
nixternalout with the old and in with the new then :)22:54
Viper550http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/50/Arklinux_installer.png though we assume that there may be users who are noobs here...but thenagain what noobs nowadays even making it THIS far with Linux would need to know how to operate a keyboard/mouse22:55
DaskreechViper550: A button or label marked help navigating would be good but assuming that they had ever installed anything on Windows I think they should get the idea22:59
Viper550hmm...but does Kubuntu's installer have "that" much help?23:00
DaskreechAs in does it help you to figure out how to navigate ?23:01
Viper550yea23:01
DaskreechI honestly don't remember23:02
* ScottK wonders what channel he is in?23:02
nixternalthe Kubuntu one is simple enough that it doesn't need that much text23:02
nixternalScottK: ditto23:02
Daskreechnixternal: I'd guess that is as well23:03
Viper550I'll remove it, but is the disclamier about backing up your data helpful too?23:03
Daskreechspeaking of installing will kpackagekit have an add/remove view ?23:03
DaskreechViper550: Always23:03
apacheloggerwell23:03
apacheloggerthat requires $user to know what a backup is23:03
apacheloggerand how to do it23:03
DaskreechStill a good note to have23:03
apacheloggernah, might confuse users23:04
DaskreechSomeone may not know this is going to do destructive thigns to the hard drive23:04
apacheloggerthose that know what a backup is will know to do one23:04
apacheloggerDaskreech: if it does it is a bug anyway23:04
DaskreechYes but those that don't know what the installer is should be informed23:04
Daskreechapachelogger: partitioning is a foreign idea to most people23:04
apacheloggeryes, so is backup23:05
DaskreechInstalling something is at worse some spyware app that is annoying not something that erases your 35 year family photo collection with the rest of your data if you put in the wrong "folder"23:05
apacheloggerDaskreech: you can't write "yer might lose all yer data"23:06
Daskreechwhy not?23:06
apacheloggerbecause that will lead the target audience to not proceed23:06
apacheloggersince they don't know how to prevent this, nor bother23:06
DaskreechTell them to accept the defaults in the same write up and make the defaults not screw up the current data23:07
Viper550but we've kinda always had several install options,23:07
apacheloggeroptions are not bad, making the user choose is ;-)23:08
DaskreechWell in that case label the potentially destrucive ones with a warning will remove current data not reversible23:08
Daskreechapachelogger: true23:08
DaskreechWelcome to the Microsoft WIzard23:08
Viper550such as the usual "erase a hard drive", "expert mode" (with qtparted), and a "parallel" mode23:08
apacheloggerthe defaults should be sane enough to not break anything and make the user end up with a fancy system23:09
Viper550which is basically a "resize your existing partitions" thing23:09
apacheloggerhow is the user supposed to know that if it looks like all the other options? ;-)23:09
DaskreechIt has a good looking girl standing next to it?23:10
Viper550http://common.ziffdavisinternet.com/util_get_image/13/0,1425,sz=1&i=136878,00.jpg23:10
apacheloggerthat might not work for every part of the target audience though :P23:11
Viper550though I think for the new installer we will tone down the "system install" option to be a "pick a drive, any drive" affair23:11
apacheloggerhm23:11
Viper550http://imagebin.ca/view/9sLtLjm.html I had this earlier23:12
apacheloggerway too much information IMHO23:13
Riddellkde commit 97334923:13
Riddellhmm23:13
Riddell!commit 97334923:13
ubottuSorry, I don't know anything about commit 97334923:13
apacheloggerkde svn23:13
Riddell!kde commit 97334923:13
ubottuError: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)23:13
Riddell!kde svn 97334923:13
Viper550yeah, our old installer kinda reminded me of a failed attempt at a Vista-style wizard UI23:13
ubottuhttp://websvn.kde.org/trunk/?rev=973349&view=rev | svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk -r 973349 | Account for Michael Andrew Casadevall (macasadevall) created.23:13
ubottuSorry, I don't know anything about kde svn 97334923:13
Riddellyay for nixternal23:13
Riddellno23:13
Riddellyay for NCommander23:13
Riddellbut yay for nixternal too just for luck23:13
* apachelogger finds nixternal the hotter kubuntu dev of those two23:14
NCommanderRiddell, I didn't know upstream KDE called me "ARM king" which is what toma said on IRC23:14
NCommanderapachelogger, didn't realize you were into older men.23:14
apacheloggerdepends really23:14
apacheloggerthough generally I am more attracted to older, which is not too difficult considering I am so young :P23:14
apacheloggerNCommander: btw, if you get project-neon ppa non-virtual you could even get status reports on KDE's status on armel etc ;-)23:15
NCommanderapachelogger, I tried barking up that tree, and was attacked by elmo23:16
NCommander(basically its got to be a Canonical-only PPA)23:16
apacheloggerin that case they might wanna get virtual armel buildds :P23:17
DaskreechDoes Kpackagekit use a GTK password dialog?23:18
apacheloggernot if you don't have it installed23:18
nixternalRiddell: adding an svn account during freeze? :p23:18
NCommanderBut if you do, it defaults to it over the KDE one23:18
NCommandernixternal, I just got mine during a freeze23:19
apacheloggerso I have been told23:19
apacheloggerwhich is weird23:19
nixternaldang, toma isn't around for me to threaten removal of mailody :p23:19
Daskreechhmm ok23:20
apacheloggerlol23:20
nixternalok, I have the usb-creator stuff pimping out pyqt style23:21
nixternalonly question I have is how to properly import either DBusGMainLoop or DBusQtMainLoop23:21
nixternalcould do it in a try, but if someone has both installed, could be funky, as it may import the GMain over the QtMain when needing the QtMain23:22
nixternalmust say usb-creator is much simpler than unetbootin23:23
NCommandernixternal, yay for ports :-)23:39
=== blizzzek is now known as blizzz
nixternal[05/26/09][07:59:30][    sabdfl] but yes, Canonical has a privileged position, and if that makes people uncomfortable they will find other projects to participate in23:53
nixternalwth? Hobbsee what did you start?23:53
nixternalanother moment in "Keeping our community"23:53
apacheloggercommunity is overrated anyway23:53
nixternalobviously23:53

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