[00:24] <JontheEchidna> Ooh, kdevelop's making a production release of the kde4 kdevelop in a few weeks from may 5th
[00:50] <JontheEchidna> Anybody have the time to look at these, what with UDS and all? https://bugs.launchpad.net/~echidnaman/+reportedbugs?field.searchtext=sync
[01:05] <jjesse> good evening, are the packages all set to upgrade jaunty to latest kde?
[01:05] <jjesse> or will i mess things up again?
[01:14] <vorian> yo
[01:14] <vorian> you will mess things up still
[01:18] <lex79> JontheEchidna: plasma-widgets are ready
[01:20] <jjesse> vorian: cool, glad to know
[01:20] <jjesse> JontheEchidna: what is the package i need to install to get your cool weather background stuff?
[01:20] <vorian> jjesse: it's default!
[01:21] <JontheEchidna> jjesse: plasma-wallpapers-addons
[01:21] <jjesse> oh cool
[01:21] <vorian> I really think the Icy Tree is pretty cool B-)
[01:21] <JontheEchidna> hehe
[01:21] <JontheEchidna> lex79: whee!
[01:21] <vorian> JontheEchidna: I about crapped my pants when I saw that
[01:21] <jjesse> JontheEchidna: is that in kde 4.3.2?
[01:21] <JontheEchidna> lex79: 2 more than last time
[01:21] <JontheEchidna> jjesse: yeah, in 4.3 beta
[01:22] <jjesse> should i still wait to upgrade to 4.3 or things better the nbefore?
[01:22]  * JontheEchidna goes off to sponsor 14 plasmoid uploads
[01:23] <JontheEchidna> There might be one or two file conflict errors left (I just don't get that one with libkdepim4) but nothing a "sudo dpkg -i --force-overwrite /path/to/deb" can't fix
[01:23] <lex79> JontheEchidna: yeah :)
[01:24] <jjesse> hrmm maybe i will still wait a bit, just reloaded a fresh jaunty 64-bit
[01:32] <lex79> plasma-widgets starts to take over ubuntu lol
[01:32] <vorian> JontheEchidna: what ever happened to 4.2.3?
[01:32] <JontheEchidna> vorian: about moving it to proposed?
[01:33] <vorian> yep
[01:33] <vorian> I was just going to get the extragear packages, and noticed it isn't anywhere
[01:33] <JontheEchidna> oh, there was a regression in RSSNow, but it's probably a Qt 4.5.1 regression
[01:33] <JontheEchidna> afaik nothing's stopping it now
[01:33] <vorian> ok
[01:34] <vorian> so it's intrepid-proposed then?
[01:34] <JontheEchidna> wait, actually it's still up for debate where the regression lies
[01:34] <vorian> hrm
[01:35] <JontheEchidna> bug 374143
[01:35] <JontheEchidna> upstream sez it don't care, so unless we can figure it out ourselves...
[01:35] <vorian> ok
[01:36] <vorian> is there anything else that needs doing then JontheEchidna?
[01:37] <JontheEchidna> the beta packages could go through another round of "looking at the cmake output log and adding build-depends for missing features"
[01:37] <JontheEchidna> and beta upgrade testing
[01:37] <vorian> heh, i'll look at cmake
[01:37] <vorian> speaking of which, akonandi seems out of date
[01:38] <JontheEchidna> everybody's away at UDS so I can't get any cool stuff done that requires an archive admin or core-dev ;.;
[01:38] <vorian> no biggie, we have bzr for that (and nixternal)
[01:39] <JontheEchidna> so I'll just go back to being lex's plasma-widget upload bitch
[01:39] <vorian> haha
[01:39] <vorian> lex79: when are you applying for motu?
[01:39] <lex79> vorian: I don't know :)
[01:40] <vorian> should be soonish, me thinks
[01:40] <jjesse> JontheEchidna: just have nixternal upload it for you, he's core-dev aint he?
[01:42] <JontheEchidna> oh, yeah
[01:47] <jjesse> what is the uds channel on irc again?
[01:47] <jjesse> #uds?
[01:49] <vorian> jjesse: #ubuntu-devel-summit
[01:49] <lex79> when 4.2.3 is ready to jaunty-proposed, kubuntu-dev what should they do? just copying from experimental to archive? or packaging again?
[01:49] <lex79> jjesse: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDSKarmic/RemoteParticipation
[01:50] <vorian> they just copy it lex79
[01:50] <lex79> good ;)
[01:54] <vorian> JontheEchidna: stasks needs on k-d-s imo :)
[01:55] <JontheEchidna> map-containments-to-virtual-desktops so needs in k-d-s
[01:55] <vorian> anyone package pgame plasma yet?
[01:55] <JontheEchidna> now that it actually works ;-)
[01:56] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan is working on pgame
[01:56] <vorian> meh
[01:56] <JontheEchidna> and needs a second revu iirc
[01:56]  * vorian looks
[02:15] <JontheEchidna> lex79: universe is now libplasma-dev free
[02:16] <lex79> JontheEchidna: thanks for uploads
[02:16] <JontheEchidna> you're welcome
[02:18] <JontheEchidna> lex79: you didn't drop the cmake build-dep in a few packages where you said you did, but I just fixed those and uploaded
[02:18] <JontheEchidna> just for reference
[02:19] <JontheEchidna> oh, and do you need that kmplayer merge reviewed?
[02:20] <lex79> Tonio has uploaded kmplayer
[02:21] <lex79> JontheEchidna:  why cmake is needs?
[02:21] <JontheEchidna> lex79: it's not, but you forgot to remove it in a few places
[02:21] <lex79> oh ok
[02:21] <vorian> ohmy
[02:22] <vorian> the restart icon is missing from the systray
[02:22] <JontheEchidna> :o
[02:22] <vorian> after an update, it looks like a missing desktop file maybe?
[02:23] <JontheEchidna> lex79: I was talking about bug 378185
[02:24] <JontheEchidna> oh, debian just did a no-changes new upstream release
[02:24] <JontheEchidna> nvm
[02:24] <lex79> JontheEchidna: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kmplayer
[02:25] <JontheEchidna> technically we still don't have 1ubuntu1 :P
[02:25] <lex79> I will merge, Tonio has uploaded new release :(
[02:25] <JontheEchidna> actually, he never merged so it still needs one...
[02:25] <lex79> in that bug there was merge+new release
[02:26] <lex79> so now needs merge, ok?
[02:27] <JontheEchidna> yeah
[02:30] <JontheEchidna> KDE packages in universe are looking pretty good merge-wise
[02:30] <JontheEchidna> except for the kde3 packages no one cares about :P
[02:31] <lex79> ahahah yes
[02:49] <lex79> JontheEchidna: last in changelog   1:0.11.1a-0ubuntu1
[02:49] <lex79> after merge
[02:49] <lex79> 1:0.11.1a-1ubuntu1 ?
[02:49] <JontheEchidna> yeah
[02:49] <lex79> :)
[02:50] <JontheEchidna> I'm going to bed in a bit, so I'll sponsor it tomorrow
[02:50] <lex79> JontheEchidna: ok, night
[03:00] <vorian> dtchen: poke
[03:00] <vorian> (a gentle poke at that)
[03:09] <vorian> dtchen: i'm messing with things I shouldn't be (ALSA!!!!)
[04:58] <rompstar> Hi, there!  I used the kernelcheck app to download and compile a new kernel, do I need to update Grub ? or anything else, because after I re-boot, still only showing the old kernel choices in Grub Menu
[06:57] <Quintasan> hiho
[06:59] <Tm_T> nooooooo
[07:04] <Mamarok> one more reason to ditch Pulseaudio: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=194117
[07:05] <Mamarok> this is only causing problems, over and over again...
[07:10]  * Quintasan had only problems with PA
[07:10] <Quintasan> apachelogger, vorian, JontheEchidna: I've updated the description again, not much I can add since it is a very simple widget :/
[07:11]  * Quintasan is off to school
[08:11] <Riddell> sebas: got the photo from yesterday?
[08:19] <sebas> Riddell: on the camera in the hotel room, I'll get it for you later ...
[08:21] <nixternal> what kind of love Riddell?
[08:21] <Riddell> hot sticky love
[08:23] <nixternal> I think I just got sick :)
[08:23] <Mamarok> nixternal!
[08:23] <Mamarok> nixternal: how is your ankle?
[08:24] <nixternal> pretty bad...that's why I am up and decided to hop online
[08:24] <Mamarok> nixternal: ice, ice, and ice again, essential for the first 3 days
[08:24] <Riddell> injury?
[08:24] <nixternal> my plan was to take a break from IRC as it absorbs way to much time, but since I broke my ankle, I have nothing else to do :(
[08:25] <nixternal> Mamarok: ya, the polar ice cap is getting smaller because of me
[08:25] <Mamarok> :)
[08:25] <Hobbsee> nixternal: oh, darn.  You're supposed to avoid doing that!
[08:25] <Mamarok> nixternal: and get a better doctor who prescibs you some decent painkillers
[08:25] <nixternal> ya, my ankle isn't green :)
[08:25] <nixternal> actually it is black and blue :)
[08:25] <Mamarok> prescribes*
[08:26] <nixternal> ya, ibu isn't doing its thing
[08:26] <nixternal> up to 1000mg every 4 to 6 hours
[08:26] <nixternal> i know it isn't good, but the pain is damn near unbearable for me, which usually isn't the case
[08:26] <Riddell> ibu?  try some irn bru
[08:26] <nixternal> lol
[08:26] <nixternal> some irn bru or the pisco I had with nxvl at the last UDS
[08:27] <Mamarok> nixternal: Ibuprofen is 1200mg/24 hours, combine it with Paracetaml, 4 g/24 hours max
[08:27] <nixternal> I got so drunk one night on Pisco at Mt. View I could have broken everything and wouldn't have noticed
[08:27] <nixternal> holy smokes, ok, need to tone down that ibu then
[08:27] <Mamarok> nixternal: take both, that really will work better than ibu alone
[08:28] <Riddell> ibuprofen is only an anti inflamatory, it won't remove all pain by itself /me looks at Mamarok to confirm
[08:28] <rgreening> ScottK: I have ktorrent which is in main. can you upload 4 me? Do you want the debdiff or...
[08:28] <Mamarok> you really took 1 g of Ibuprofen every 4-6 hours? Man, you will have no stomach left!
[08:29] <nixternal> "While generally safe for human use at recommended doses, acute overdoses of paracetamol can cause potentially fatal liver damage..."
[08:29] <nixternal> I don't need any more live damage ;p
[08:29] <rgreening> live=liver
[08:29] <Mamarok> Riddell: if it successfully reduces an inflammation, it does actually reduce pain, but in nixternals cas that's not enough
[08:29] <nixternal> ya, thanks rgreening :)
[08:29] <Mamarok> he should have been given some codeine
[08:29] <rgreening> :P
[08:30] <Mamarok> nixternal: it's save at max 4g/24 hours over a few days
[08:30]  * Mamarok waves her pharmacist hat
[08:30] <nixternal> i tried so hard to get codeine, but they won't prescribe for anything outside of surgery now I guess...especially here in Chicago
[08:30] <Mamarok> nixternal: that's idiotic, so you just grind your theeth or what?
[08:31] <Mamarok> a broken ankle is a true indication for codeine or tramadol
[08:31] <nixternal> no, I have a rag I naw on
[08:32]  * Mamarok thinks the US health system is a desaster, and doctors are stupid to leave patients in pain
[08:32] <rgreening> ScottK: ktorrent phonon update for karmic... http://paste.ubuntu.com/181007/
[08:34] <nixternal> the funny thing is, if i am just resting the ankle up, it hurts more...if i put a bit of weight on it, it doesn't hurt so much
[08:34] <nixternal> though i am walking very funny today compared to yesterday
[08:35] <nixternal> and what is keeping me awake is when i move in bed and hit it with my other foot...worse than a leg cramp in the middle of the night
[08:35] <Mamarok> nixternal: pressure can reduce an existing pain, yeah, but you really have to put it up most of the time, that will hepl reduce the swelling
[08:35] <Mamarok> help* even
[08:35] <nixternal> ya, it was up all day...i sat in my lazy boy chair all day long...first time ever I think
[08:36] <nixternal> typical bachelor/guy...had to get the biggest most confy chair in the world, and don't even use it
[08:36] <Mamarok> nixternal: did you apply some bandage?
[08:36] <Mamarok> bandage helps reducing the swelling too and stabilizes the ankle
[08:37] <nixternal> ya, my mom stopped by and got me one, better than what i got from the hospital
[08:37] <nixternal> i had ice on it quite a bit today...that always made it feel a bit better
[08:38] <ScottK> rgreening: I still don't have my keys here.
[08:38] <Riddell> nixternal: I can do it
[08:39] <Riddell> not nixternal
[08:39] <Riddell> rgreening: I can do it
[08:39] <rgreening> Riddell: ty. :)
[08:40] <rgreening> Ok, so aftger ktorrent, that's all packages in main requiring an update for the libqt4-phonon-dev dep change
[08:40] <Riddell> rock
[08:41] <rgreening> There are 5 more requiring an update from universe. See here if you can help... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/rgreening/KarmicPhononPackages
[08:41] <rgreening> Riddell: koffice2 .. did you update if last build fro libqt4-phonon-dev?
[08:43] <Riddell> rgreening: no, it still depends on libphonon-dev
[08:43] <rgreening> ok, seeing you built it last. and prob have the src... want to update it? :)
[08:43] <rgreening> Riddell: ^
[08:45] <Riddell> doing
[08:45] <Riddell> that Global issue, there is a fix for Qt, I wonder where it is
[08:46] <rgreening> ty Riddell... that leaves 4 more packages :)
[08:46] <Riddell> somewhere in their Git tree I expect, probably impossible to find now
[08:46] <rgreening> Quintasan: all 3 uploads for you have been completed. Thank you for yuor contribution. :)  there are 4 left if you want to take another stab :)
[08:58] <rgreening> bizarre and cool... my ssh session survives a suspend/resume....
[09:01] <nixternal> umm, listening in on the Kubuntu Management session and it sounds like a damn Canonical Management session
[09:01] <nixternal> someone get whoever is talking back on track
[09:01] <yuriy> nixternal: rick spencer is talking about what his job is
[09:02] <ScottK> nixternal: The session is how can Canonical management help us better.
[09:02] <Hobbsee> ScottK: gosh, don't drown in the sarcasm there :P
[09:02] <nixternal> when is that going to start?
[09:02] <ScottK> Hobbsee: I'm actually not being sarcastic.
[09:02] <nixternal> zzzZzzZzZZzzZzZzZz
[09:03] <Hobbsee> ScottK: hrm.  it seems you aren't.
[09:03] <nixternal> Hobbsee: ya, not used to him not being sarcastic in this type of situation :p
[09:05] <rgreening> lol
[09:05] <rgreening> ScottK irl <> ScottK irc :)
[09:11] <ScottK> That's sebas talking.
[09:11] <nixternal> I know that
[09:11] <ScottK> Not everyone may.
[09:11] <nixternal> i can tell his quiet little voice
[09:11] <nixternal> big guy, small voice :)
[09:12] <nixternal> come on ScottK and sebas, give it to um :p
[09:12] <nixternal> *cough* ayatana *cough*
[09:12] <ScottK> ;-)
[09:12] <nixternal> ooh, yes, netbook attack :)
[09:12] <ScottK> Different discussion.
[09:12] <nixternal> grrr, I want to hear fur flying
[09:12] <nixternal> so glad sebas is there
[09:13] <ScottK> +1
[09:14] <nixternal> he is good to have if you all get jumped when going out at night as well :)
[09:15] <nixternal> I so need a netbook so I can get in on a KDE netbook remix deal
[09:16] <nixternal> close the door to that room
[09:16] <nixternal> woo, got some stuff finished before the doc freeze in KDE
[09:16] <Tm_T> what deal?
[09:17] <nixternal> hacking on it upstream, creating a netbook version
[09:17] <nixternal> no deal as in a business deal
[09:17] <nixternal> YES!
[09:17] <Tm_T> nixternal: ah, roger
[09:18] <nixternal> I tried to get on the OEM team, but the manager was very rude and didn't interview properly...ie. he never called on the date he was supposed to....interesting how it happened while OpenWeek was going on and this little joke about blue headed step child was made
[09:19] <nixternal> tis part of the reason I don't even want to work in the community anymore...still trying to stomach it a bit
[09:20] <Tm_T> errr
[09:20] <Tm_T> nixternal: this is in Canonical?
[09:20] <nixternal> yup
[09:20] <Tm_T> whatta... that's not how you build community and/or work team
[09:21] <nixternal> right, but nobody cared about the whole thing, so that made me not care
[09:21] <freeflying> nixternal: whom you wanna contact? OEM manager in us?
[09:22] <nixternal> don't want to contact anybody
[09:22] <nixternal> the OEM manager or his assistant were rude and didn't contact me and didn't return emails
[09:31] <nixternal> if Rick wants to work with Kubuntu, shouldn't he at least be in the IRC channel? People have said they want to work with us, and then they never stick around the IRC channel or don't even come in here
[09:32] <Hobbsee> it sounds good in theory
[09:32] <nixternal> right
[09:32] <Hobbsee> but i share nixternal's concern
[09:32] <nixternal> it has always been a theory unfortunately
[09:32] <ScottK> nixternal: He's been in the channel a fair amount.
[09:32] <nixternal> what is his nick?
[09:32] <Hobbsee> that also applies to xubuntu, any other flavours, and motu, bugsquad, etc, and anyone who doesn't work for canonical, too.
[09:32] <nixternal> he was in here when some discussion went on, but I never saw him after that
[09:32] <Hobbsee> nixternal: rickspencer
[09:33]  * nixternal greps logs
[09:34] <nixternal> ok, I see he has hung out in here...but that is much like me hanging out in a channel lurking
[09:34] <ScottK> nixternal: He's been active at point too.
[09:35] <Hobbsee> nixternal: my gut feeling is that more needs to go to the mailing lists, and people need to respond to that, rather than hte hours on irc, tbh
[09:35] <Hobbsee> which is somewhat agnostic, i know
[09:35] <nixternal> Hobbsee: you, myself, and others have said that for years :)
[09:35] <Hobbsee> nixternal: drive away.  it's no longer my baby ;)
[09:35] <Hobbsee> not that it ever really was, but...
[09:35] <nixternal> wooo, been in here for just over 4 years now...I am a luser :p
[09:38] <Hobbsee> i don't want anyone to leave here thinking that i'm committing to <blank>
[09:39] <Hobbsee> what was that?
[09:39] <yuriy> Hobbsee: stopping late breaking changes
[09:39] <Hobbsee> ah
[09:40] <Hobbsee> There's no public list for that at least.  i'ts been requested by various on -devel-discuss, too
[09:40] <Hobbsee> afaik
[09:40] <nixternal> WTF
[09:41] <Hobbsee> hm?
[09:41] <nixternal> nobody knows what KDE is?
[09:41] <Mamarok> who said that?
[09:41] <nixternal> I think Rick just said it
[09:41] <Hobbsee> nixternal: certainly not how it works, how it builds, etc.
[09:41] <Hobbsee> whta it depends on
[09:42] <Hobbsee> "kubuntu" to outsiders is like the oem team stuff, but public., to the general perception
[09:42] <nixternal> I think with translations ScottK, you need to talk to Jono and his new guy
[09:43] <ScottK> We need to attack from all angles.
[09:43] <nixternal> kind of like what the Tech Board used to do years back?
[09:43] <nixternal> who is rgreening's roommate?
[09:43] <nixternal> doesn't his snoring suck?
[09:43]  * ScottK and yes.
[09:43] <nixternal> I am still missing a sock from the last UDS
[09:44] <nixternal> I think it got sucked off of my foot
[09:44] <nixternal> ScottK: dude, on the ship, have you ever heard anything other than a gunmount being that damn loud?
[09:44] <ScottK> It's pretty incredible.
[09:45] <nixternal> people thought I was overexagerating it last year
[09:45] <nixternal> :)
[09:45] <Hobbsee> define 'they'?
[09:45]  * Mamarok thinks they don't know what snoring is till they hear markey
[09:45] <nixternal> LOL, hillarious
[09:45] <nixternal> we have reached out, it doesn't last long
[09:46] <nixternal> why can't they reach out? why can't they even try to reach out?
[09:46] <nixternal> the TB used to reach out and we would report weekly to them
[09:46] <Hobbsee> rick, how are you intending to make this stuff sustainable?
[09:47] <rgreening> nixternal, I found your sock... want it back :)
[09:47] <nixternal> hahhaa, no, because you probably processed it before finding it :p
[09:48] <seele> Hobbsee: are you listining to room 4?
[09:48] <rgreening> was it white once?
[09:48] <seele> doh, i missed it
[09:48] <Hobbsee> seele: yeah
[09:48] <nixternal> seele: ya, we are listening to it
[09:49] <nixternal> did you just wake up for it?
[09:49] <Hobbsee> not that i'm sure anyone's actually watching irc there
[09:49] <Hobbsee> feel like i'm talking to a brick wall, this UDS
[09:49] <seele> nixternal: no, i just happened to not be able to sleep :)
[09:49] <nixternal> Hobbsee: :)
[09:49] <nixternal> seele: me either, broken ankle :(
[09:49] <seele> nixternal: ow :(
[09:49] <nixternal> though it is about time for you to wake up there anyways
[09:49] <nixternal> it is going on 4am here
[09:50] <nixternal> rock on Dirk is talking about "Making Ubuntu BetteR"....tell um "Rich/nixternal said hi" :)
[09:50] <seele> 5am here
[09:51]  * Hobbsee is wondering if we're (you're) heading about this all the wrong way.
[09:51] <nixternal> Hobbsee: I always gauge interest by Riddell's enthusiasm :)
[09:52] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: what you mean?
[09:53] <seele> ScottK: can you make sure someone (doesnt have to be you) pays attention to IRC during this next session?
[09:53] <freeflying> what's the next session
[09:53]  * yuriy tries to pay attention as long as he doesn't get kicked off
[09:54] <nixternal> seele: what session?
[09:54] <nixternal> nm, usability I am guessing :)
[09:54] <seele> nixternal: yeah
[09:56] <freeflying> in which room?
[09:57] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: well, from past experience, anything that relies on people to get up and reach out, from either side, doesn't work so well, without someone going and reminding them each time, if htey haven't done so, and taking ownership of it
[09:57] <Hobbsee> any attempt at passing the buck to the community seems to fail.
[09:57] <Hobbsee> ie, it doesn't seem to work as a long-term strategy
[09:59] <Hobbsee> i do like the idea of getting kubuntu attendance to the ubuntu desktop team meeting
[09:59] <Hobbsee> hwoever, i suspect that people won't come, as they'll feel they're interrupting with a canonical meeting.  I"m not sure how one solves that
[10:00] <seele> argh, that's lame
[10:01] <Hobbsee> i'm not sure how one solves the "one side spends way more collective hours on their side than the other", either
[10:01] <seele> so there is no way to listen to the usability clinic?
[10:04] <ScottK> seele: I'll try.
[10:05] <seele> ScottK: it's not in room 4 anymore apparently? so there is no icecast?
[10:05] <ScottK> seele: Yes, I just found this out.  I'm sitting in the room where I thought it was.
[10:06] <yuriy> it's just a group around a table outside
[10:07] <ScottK> I'll try to go found find them.
[10:14] <Riddell> nixternal: rick is always on this channel (when he's on IRC)
[10:15] <Tm_T> does he follow this channel too?
[10:16] <nixternal> Riddell: ya, i grep'd it from the logs
[10:24] <seele> is anyone at the usability clinic? will the next hour be moved as well or will it be in room 8?
[10:28] <yuriy> i'm guessing they're staying at the outside table
[10:28] <yuriy> they've got signs and all
[10:34] <seele> blah, well i'm not getting up early again
[10:36] <nixternal> they did that purposely...I heard them say "Lets go outside so that crazy KDE person will leave us alone" :p
[11:51] <Tonio_> Riddell: amarok works here, appart from errors due to qtscriptgenerator
[11:52] <Tonio_> Riddell: otherwise I've been able to scan my collection, listen sound, use last.fm...
[11:54] <Riddell> Nightrose: ^^
[11:54] <Mamarok> claydoh, Riddell FYI, I put Ric Moore on moderation as his posts are almost only OT and thread hijacking
[11:56]  * Hobbsee applauds Mamarok
[11:57] <Mamarok> Hobbsee: thx :)
[11:58] <Mamarok> the same will go for all the other Yorkshire men if they continue btw
[11:58] <Riddell> Mamarok: on -user?
[11:58] <Riddell> Nightrose: I'm suspecting the crash on startup might be for users with existing amarok data, since tonio doesn't have any
[11:59] <Mamarok> Riddell: yes
[12:00] <Nightrose> Riddell: ok i'll move my settings and try
[12:01] <ryanakca> rgreening: http://ryanak.ca/~ryan/kdetoys_4.2.2-0ubuntu2.debdiff
[12:04] <Riddell> yay, ryanakca is going to be a ninja!
[12:04] <Nightrose> Riddell: you are right - it is something in share/apps/amarok - i suspect a script
[12:04] <Nightrose> investigating
[12:05] <yuriy> i had the lyrics applet causing crashes in the current version until i deleted all my amarok settings, so that might be worth a look
[12:06] <ryanakca> Riddell: :)
[12:06] <Nightrose> yea it is something in the scripts folder...
[12:06] <Nightrose> narf!
[12:06] <Nightrose> probably the same problem we had with beta 1
[12:06] <Nightrose> meh
[12:07] <ryanakca> rgreening: Updated
[12:07] <Riddell> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuKarmicPackaging  https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuKarmicDevelopment   up for comments and suggestions
[12:12] <smarter> hey
[12:13] <smarter> Riddell: doesn't s-c-p-k already has samba sharing?
[12:13] <Nightrose> Riddell: wth - now it works
[12:13]  * Nightrose doesn't get it
[12:16] <Riddell> smarter: mm, maybe, I should look at it again and remind myself what still needs to be done
[12:17]  * smarter is pretty sure he used it
[12:17] <smarter> what needs to be done however and we've been planned for Tonio_ for quiet some times now, is samba file sharing integration ("net usershare") in Dolphin and KDE in general
[12:18] <smarter> *with Tonio_
[12:18] <Tonio_> Riddell: yes this is something I'd want to talk with you this week
[12:18] <Tonio_> Riddell: the idea is basically to port nautilus-share to kde
[12:19] <smarter> Tonio_: hi :)
[12:19] <smarter> but in better :P
[12:19] <Tonio_> smarter: yop !
[12:19] <Riddell> well we've spoked about it before.  it should be done.  if you think putting it on the spec would help we can do that
[12:19] <Tonio_> smarter: well just porting would be nice to start ;)
[12:19] <Tonio_> smarter, Riddell: I'll write a spec about that
[12:20] <Tonio_> Riddell: should we handle this privately or would you like this included in one of the remaining sessions ?
[12:20] <Riddell> Tonio_: you can ask rick for a session if you want
[12:20] <smarter> on a totally unrelated note, what about including Basket back if the port gets finished?
[12:20] <Tonio_> Riddell: kk
[12:20] <Riddell> register a blueprint and e-mail that to him, he'll schedule it
[12:20]  * smarter is currently experimenting with making Basket use Plasma for its main view, à la Amarok :)
[12:20] <Tonio_> smarter: I'll write the spec today, will ask rick
[12:20] <smarter> ok
[12:21] <Tonio_> and let you know :)
[12:21] <Riddell> Tonio_: the session should be before writing the spec
[12:21] <Tonio_> Riddell: I was thinking blueprint, not spec, sorry ;)
[12:21] <Riddell> smarter: basket is interesting, it might be something ubuntu 1 people could look at for their stuff
[12:22] <smarter> that's one usecase I didn't think of, but why not :)
[12:23] <Riddell> smarter: trouble with basket is it's yet another notes app and we already have two on the CD (plasma applet and knotes) a third seems overkill
[12:23] <Riddell> it would be nice if they shared file format at least, although I don't know if that makes sense technically
[12:23] <smarter> right
[12:24]  * Riddell lunches
[12:25] <smarter> see you
[12:46] <Riddell> ddd
[12:51] <Viper550> okay...I know this may have little to do with Kubuntu, but I'm doing the UI for an installer for a future KDE 4 distro
[12:53] <Viper550> http://imagebin.ca/img/9sLtLjm.png
[13:03] <vorian> yo
[13:04] <Viper550> good UI? It might enmd up being a full-screen-er like some other distros
[13:04] <Viper550> our current installer still uses qt/embedded, lol framebuffer
[13:05] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: ping
[13:06] <apachelogger> Viper550: I, personally, do not like dialogs where you have to choose
[13:06] <apachelogger> the target audience of ark might, but I certainly do not ;-)
[13:06] <Viper550> our previous installer kinda had a "pre-Aero" like motif to that screen
[13:07] <apachelogger> Viper550: also, you might want to look into CSS theming, IMHO the suse installer looks pretty darn awesome
[13:07] <Viper550> I've noticed the new stylesheet stuff in qtdesigner, yes
[13:08] <apachelogger> hm
[13:09] <apachelogger> there he goes
[13:10] <apachelogger> and I just wanted to whine about how there should be spacers between the items to make it more obvious which description belongs to which item :D
[13:17] <claydoh> Mamarok: okey dokey, just prepare for the cranky old dudes to fam some flames :/
[13:17] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: pong
[13:18] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: Hi, dunno if you have some time, but I have some kubuntu-archive-adminy things for some lucky guy to do: https://bugs.launchpad.net/~echidnaman/+reportedbugs?field.searchtext=sync
[13:19] <Mamarok> claydoh: frankly, I don't give a ... those dudes refuse to behave, let them go elsewhere, we have enough work like that
[13:19]  * JontheEchidna has been on a little UDS sprint at home
[13:19] <Mamarok> they can do all the 4 Yorkshiremen stuff and bike shedding they want in sounder, not on -users
[13:21] <JontheEchidna> Also I think the "seperate the GTK theme module from gtk-qt-engine" is a bit more complicated than a packaging job. It has some functions tied in to gtk-qt-engine that would need to be removed
[13:25] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: are you on koffice 2.0.0?
[13:26] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: riddell uploaded that yesterday
[13:26] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: to where?
[13:26] <JontheEchidna> karmic
[13:26] <JontheEchidna> Do we want to transition koffice2 -> koffice soon?
[13:27] <apachelogger> well
[13:27] <apachelogger> no
[13:27] <apachelogger> unless we want to get more blame
[13:27] <apachelogger> as we did for KDE and Amarok so far
[13:27] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: first regression testing I would say
[13:27] <JontheEchidna> how about kdevelop? It's KDE3 version is half-broken in KDE4 as it is
[13:28] <apachelogger> so we can at least prove that core functionality is available in koffice 2 as well
[13:28] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: transition
[13:28] <apachelogger> can only become better :D
[13:28] <JontheEchidna> thought so, I have a kdevelop transition ready to upload once kdevplatform is synced
[13:28] <JontheEchidna> transition/merge/new upstream release
[13:30] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: btw, we want a backport of koffice2 I suppose
[13:31] <apachelogger> especially for regression testing
[13:31] <JontheEchidna> should be fairly easy to throw up into -experimental
[13:32] <JontheEchidna> then we can put a call out to -devel for regression testing from koffice1
[13:33] <apachelogger> also kubuntu.org
[13:33] <apachelogger> whenever we post a news of a new software we should also call for regression testing
[13:33] <apachelogger> tracking the testing should be easier if ubuntu qa comes up with sensible tech :D
[13:34] <Riddell> JontheEchidna:
[13:34] <apachelogger> after all, a lot of people use our PPAs, so it would be a perfect way to also promote regression testing a lot more than we did before
[13:35] <Riddell> apachelogger: I've done koffice2 backport in my PPA
[13:35] <JontheEchidna> oh, cool
[13:35]  * JontheEchidna tests new koffice backport then
[13:35] <Riddell> will move to backports when I get a sec
[13:35] <Riddell> thanks
[13:35] <apachelogger> Riddell: we can copy as well :)
[13:38] <apachelogger> Riddell: https://edge.launchpad.net/~jr/+archive/ppa?field.name_filter=koffice&field.status_filter=published&field.series_filter=any
[13:38]  * JontheEchidna can't find packages either
[13:38] <rgreening> o/ JontheEchidna
[13:38] <JontheEchidna> \o rgreening
[13:39]  * rgreening nthinks JontheEchidna'[s weathgerwallpaper is da'bomb by!
[13:39] <JontheEchidna> :)
[13:39] <Riddell> maybe I put koffice2 into kubuntu-ppa backports
[13:39] <Riddell> sorry network here is super slow just now can't look it up
[13:40] <JontheEchidna> rgreening: a bit too much spiked kubuntu kool aid there?
[13:40] <rgreening> no one sleeps!
[13:40] <vorian> how'd the kubuntu session go yesterday?
[13:41] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/backports
[13:41] <vorian> that good huh?
[13:41] <vorian> :P
[13:42] <apachelogger> hopefully that works :P
[13:42] <apachelogger> hrrhrr
[13:46] <Mamarok> hm, where is the lock file when one has a lock on the database for dpkg?
[13:46] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: btw, any progress on modifying the cdbs magic to use lzma by default?
[13:47] <apachelogger> kubotu: seach dpkg lock file
[13:47] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: nop
[13:47] <apachelogger> kubotu: google dpkg lock file
[13:47] <kubotu> Results for dpkg lock file: 1. How to fix lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily ...: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-fix-lock-varlibdpkglock-open-11-resource-temporarily-unavailable-error.html | 2. #240092 - dpkg: lockfile location - Debian Bug report logs: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=240092
[13:47] <kubotu> 4. Bug#240092: dpkg: lockfile location: msg#00330 linux.debian.devel ...: http://osdir.com/ml/linux.debian.devel.dpkg.general/2004-03/msg00330.html
[13:47] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: ok, I think I will add it
[13:47] <apachelogger> for all of KDE
[13:48] <apachelogger> if that causes any problems we can always restrict it to some packages
[13:55] <Mamarok> apachelogger: thx a lot :)
[13:57] <JontheEchidna> !aptfix
[13:57] <JontheEchidna> Mamarok: ^ nice macro for future use
[13:58] <Mamarok> JontheEchidna: yeah, found and used it, thx :)
[13:58]  * Mamarok goes back to some bug killing
[13:58]  * jussi01 waves
[14:00]  * Quintasan waves to jussi01 and everyone
[14:05] <Quintasan> rgreening: good to hear, I'm going to my brothers house so I think I will send you debdiffs tomorrow
[14:05] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna, apachelogger, vorian: copypasted new description. thanks vorian :)
[14:06] <vorian> \o/
[14:06] <Quintasan> you description is far more accurate than mine :D
[14:06] <vorian> Quintasan: simple programs are usually the hardest to write a description for
[14:06]  * Quintasan needs more practice :P
[14:07] <Quintasan> hmm, I think I will start working on libqt4-phonon-dev packages
[14:11] <JontheEchidna> I'm assuming that things in universe cannot build-dep on things in multiverse?
[14:11] <dtchen> vorian: yay!
[14:11] <JontheEchidna> (in ref. to the latter part of bug 379552)
[14:11] <rgreening> Quintasan: ryanakca has done kdetoys and qtscriptengine and another...  the webdev one is left
[14:11] <jussi01> argh
[14:11] <jussi01> thats annoying.
[14:12] <rgreening> Quintasan -> chat with ryanakca :)
[14:12] <Quintasan> rgreening: I just started testbuilding :3
[14:12] <Quintasan> rgreening: I should have debdiff in few minutes
[14:12] <rgreening> Quintasan: which package>
[14:12] <Quintasan> rgreening: webdev
[14:12] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: syncs done
[14:13] <rgreening> Quintasan: awesome
[14:13] <Quintasan> rgreening: I assume that the other one is kgraphviewer
[14:13] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: thanks
[14:13] <Quintasan> btw. anyone is working on kdebindings?
[14:13] <rgreening> yes. Quintasan, actually he's havoing a boost error with it. want to chat with him on it?
[14:14] <Riddell> New queue has 18020 items in it!
[14:14] <rgreening> Quintasan: bindings will have to wait...
[14:15] <Quintasan> rgreening: I want to know since building new minirok fails because pykdeuic4.py has no +x on it :S
[14:15] <jussi01> JontheEchidna: you know the new "folders" view in dolphins left sidebar? is there any way to stop it centering on the folder you are in, just so it stays left aligned?
[14:15] <Quintasan> lol @ queue
[14:15] <rgreening> Quintasan: kdebindings 4.2.85 == foo$bar and cannot currently build.
[14:15] <JontheEchidna> jussi01: in honesty I just hit "x" on that pane since I don't use it :P
[14:15] <jussi01> haha
[14:16] <jussi01> :D
[14:16] <jussi01> that "feature" is annoying as all heck...
[14:16] <Quintasan> hmm building failed
[14:17] <vorian> bump to 4.2.87 perhaps?
[14:18] <Riddell> sebas: about?
[14:19] <Riddell> or anyone seen sebas?
[14:19] <rgreening> vorian: ?
[14:19] <rgreening> was there a new snapshot/ver released vorian
[14:20] <vorian> rgreening: yeah, let's bump it all to .87 - I can whip out the quad core and get to work asap
[14:20] <Quintasan> wait, did I missed something about t-shirts?
[14:20] <Quintasan> s/missed/miss
[14:20] <rgreening> Qt t-shirts at UDS
[14:20] <vorian> :/
[14:20] <Quintasan> oh, UDS
[14:21] <rgreening> they are Qt on them
[14:21] <rgreening> haha
[14:21] <freeflying> nokia love ubuntu :)
[14:21] <rgreening> but only up to XL.. == 2 small 4 me
[14:22] <rgreening> Riddell: what do you think on KDE 4.3 bump now to 4.2.87
[14:23] <vorian> beta 2 is tagged next week
[14:23] <apachelogger> Riddell, JontheEchidna: upgrade from stock jaunty works just fine
[14:23] <rgreening> vorian: I think we need to complete the Transitions from topic above first for libqt4-phonon-dev and libplasma-dev
[14:24] <Riddell> rgreening: rationale?
[14:24] <vorian> plasma looks like it's done
[14:24]  * Quintasan wonders how ppl would react seeing him at UDS
[14:25] <vorian> phonon, not so much
[14:25] <rgreening> Riddell: vorian was asking.. but if it's being tagged next week, I assume we wait...
[14:25] <vorian> yeah, never mind
[14:29] <Quintasan> rgreening: webdev needs libxslt1-deb and libxml-dev as additional build-deps
[14:29] <Quintasan> that's what I found so far
[14:29] <rgreening> Quintasan: cool
[14:30] <seele> what is the Kubuntu QA? question and answer or quality assurance?
[14:31] <Riddell> quality assurance
[14:31] <Hobbsee> the latter, most likely
[14:31] <apachelogger> Q&A vs. QA
[14:31] <Riddell> ssues with
[14:32] <Quintasan> finally building
[14:32] <rgreening> vorian: can you get a snapshot of kdebindings and see if it builds against the existing 4.2.85 (probably wont unless you disable akonadi). Just curious...
[14:32] <seele> Riddell: is this something i should listen to or will it be all technical?
[14:32] <rgreening> it should tell us if kdebindings is in shape for next release.
[14:33] <Quintasan> that reminds me I should check on Shaman
[14:33] <rgreening> for kde > 4.2.85 we need a newer akonadi packaged, and probalby need it packaged asap (if available).
[14:34] <Riddell> seele: I don't really have an agenda but I think it'll cover stuff like wifi and translations and how to test that better.  so user testing plans, not too technical but may not be your thing
[14:45] <Quintasan> !info kdebindings
[14:45] <Quintasan> !info python-kde4-dev
[14:52] <Quintasan> rgreening: http://pastebin.com/fce26981
[14:52] <Quintasan> rgreening: that's debdiff for webdev ofc :)
[15:11] <nixternal> hey, is the Kubuntu QA stuff going to have any participants from Ubuntu QA?
[15:14] <Riddell> nixternal: ara was here a second ago
[15:14] <nixternal> ok groovy...she rocks the at-spi stuff for gnome
[15:14] <nixternal> ok, i hear her again
[15:19] <Riddell> nixternal: got stuff to bring up?
[15:23] <nixternal> just get as much info out Ara that you can :) try to get her to switch to KDE so she can do work on KDE AT-SPI stuff :)
[15:23] <nixternal> QDBusBridge isn't enough unfortunately
[15:24] <rgreening> +1 on that nixernal :)
[15:25] <nixternal> just so you all know, the auto testing stuff she is talking about we can't use because KDE doesn't have AT-SPI implementation like GNOME does
[15:25] <seele> it's pretty much impossible to stay connected to the gobby doc
[15:28] <nixternal> KDE really needs this AT-SPI framework so we can utilize automated testing tools such as dogtail or LDTP
[15:28] <nixternal> we can use them with Qt and QDBusBridge just as long the app developer exposes parts of their app for accessibility
[15:29] <nixternal> rgreening: quit whispering about me :p
[15:30] <nixternal> my dog is smart...he peed on the Ubuntu CDs and not the Kubuntu ones :)
[15:31] <JontheEchidna> lol
[15:31] <nixternal> we could probably use QA in levels. ie. a Foundations Level that would cover Bluetooth and Network, a Desktop Level that would cover the apps, and so on
[15:32] <dtchen> seele: yeah, the connectivity here sucks
[15:32] <nixternal> another thing that would be nice too, is when we QA Kubuntu, maybe we should QA KDE built from svn right along side to see if we are getting the same results. This is something the openSUSE crew is doing as well as the Fedora crew..and they are starting to produce a really stellar KDE implementation right now
[15:32] <dtchen> nixternal: yeah, i recommended that about 18 months ago
[15:33] <dtchen> (that -> track-level QA)
[15:33] <nixternal> dtchen: ok, so then I can expect this to happen in about another 6 to 12 months then :p
[15:33] <nixternal> right, track-level QA, perfect
[15:33] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Are you around?
[15:33] <seele> dtchen: wow, there are 3 people from DC there?
[15:33] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: yes
[15:34] <dtchen> seele: yeah
[15:34] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: I'm trying to rebuild kdewebdev and it FTBFS.
[15:34] <nixternal> one from Chicago!
[15:34] <nixternal> though Dirk is a Debian Developer and R Developer
[15:34] <nixternal> and he uses Kubuntu!
[15:35] <ScottK> He gave a good pitch on R after lunch
[15:35] <nixternal> ya, he is a good dude
[15:35] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: RUBY_INCLUDE_PATH (ADVANCED) was NOTFOUND
[15:35] <seele> R as in the S replacement?
[15:35] <nixternal> we (him, Christoph Lamater, and myself) are probably going to look at creating a Debian group here in chicago
[15:35] <ScottK> Yes
[15:35] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: is that during cmake?
[15:36] <ScottK> Yes.
[15:36]  * JontheEchidna glances over towards apachelogger, the ruby master
[15:36] <JontheEchidna> I think it's not finding ruby
[15:36] <ScottK> I'm trying to make a pastebin work
[15:37] <ScottK> Yes, Ruby not found.
[15:37] <ScottK> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com:80/181312/
[15:37] <nixternal> ewww ruby
[15:37] <nixternal> grrr, testcases.qa.ubuntu.com == dead
[15:38] <nixternal> Riddell: for the ISO testing, I have been automating it with scripts and vmware...want to get it working with vbox
[15:38] <nixternal> another thing I have done is put the iso on a pxe box with different kickstart scripts to test all of the general areas
[15:39] <nixternal> I can test every ISO step with every ISO (i386 and amd64) in about a day
[15:39] <nixternal> and when using verbosity with kickstart i can find out what is breaking and what isn't which is nice
[15:39] <JontheEchidna> I don't see any ruby build-deps in the current webdev upload, I wonder how it built...
[15:41] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: That's why I pinged you as it's your upload.
[15:41] <nixternal> ya, I had to do that for my last job
[15:42] <nixternal> no I won't share them, they are copyright, proprietary software, I am anti-free now!
[15:42] <nixternal> I want to get them working with vbox
[15:43] <JontheEchidna> hrm
[15:43] <nixternal> hrmm, wasn't it \sh who worked on the FAI stuff for Ubuntu/Debian? That would probably be better than Kickstart with Ubuntu, since Kickstart and d-i are not friends
[15:43] <Nightrose> yes he was
[15:44]  * Nightrose guesses he is busy with the little one now though ;-)
[15:44] <nixternal> \sh: highlighting you dude, FAI or Kickstart? I have had issues with Kickstart and d-i...kickstart and anaconda is almost a dream
[15:45] <nixternal> now that i do automated testing, you need to remember that you can't always rely on that, you still need some user intervention to make sure it rocks
[15:45] <nixternal> $$$$$ for the scripts :)  starving hacker here
[15:46] <JontheEchidna> cool, KDE is building on all the port archs now
[15:47] <JontheEchidna> and the buildds are nice and free with everybody at UDS
[15:48] <nixternal> I have been working on the kde port of the usb creator
[15:48] <nixternal> it is a mess
[15:49] <nixternal> because they have tied gtk into it so much
[15:49] <nixternal> unetbootin
[15:50] <nixternal> that is what I use for the time being in KDE, and unetbootin is built on KDE
[15:50] <Riddell> what is unetbootin ?
[15:50] <nixternal> it is the same thing that the usb writer thing is, and then some
[15:52] <rgreening> nixternal, Riddell: I use it. works pretty well....
[15:52] <seele> ScottK: have you seen the newer version of dr. konqi?
[15:52] <seele> the dev has been working on it
[15:52] <nixternal> i had it patched to pull in the jaunty isos
[15:52] <ScottK> seele: I've heard about it, but haven't seen it.
[15:52] <JontheEchidna> the new dr. konqi is nice
[15:52] <JontheEchidna> it tells you if the crash info is useful or not
[15:52] <seele> yeah
[15:53] <nixternal> honestly, i would rather patch unetbootin instead of Ubuntu's usb stuff, or fork unetbootin...the codebase of unetbootin isn't the prettiest either
[15:53] <nixternal> and it lets you restart the app too :)
[15:53] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna, ScottK: take a look at how it tries to find ruby
[15:53] <apachelogger> technically it should do it the same way bindings does though
[15:53] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: for me it doesn't find ruby, but it doesn't FTBFS
[15:53] <nixternal> apport is only good if you have -dbg packages...dr. konqi actually provides better info even w/o the -dbg packages
[15:54] <ryanakca> Then in that case, why not go for dr. konqi?
[15:54] <ScottK> nixternal: No.  If it gets uploaded to LP, it'll get retraced
[15:54] <nixternal> ScottK: right, I have seen LP retrace and retrace and then go "oh shit, can't figure this out"
[15:54] <JontheEchidna> dr. konqi pretty much needs the -dbg packages or else the backtrace will be woefully incomplete
[15:55] <JontheEchidna> but I agree that apport retracing is stupid
[15:55] <nixternal> JontheEchidna: right, but you still get enough info with it, more so than you do with apport non-LP
[15:55] <nixternal> we can patch it easily to go to LP
[15:55] <rgreening> ya
[15:56] <JontheEchidna> the excuses apport gives when it can't retrace are even stupider
[15:56] <nixternal> that was the big thing with the rewrite of dr. konqi is so distros could easily set it up to work with their bug trackers
[15:58] <JontheEchidna> apport-qt also doesn't use oxygen for some reason...
[15:58] <nixternal> http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/KDE/kdebase/runtime/drkonqi/ <- bugzillalib - we could have an lplib or such
[15:59] <nixternal> hrmm, lp api for c++?
[15:59] <nixternal> c++ -> python? have't done that before
[16:00] <nixternal> though dr. konqi in 4.3 isn't going to be feature complete I don't think...we need to research that as well prior to really making any decision or if we should consider it further
[16:04] <nixternal> for the action items, I can help with use cases and automation
[16:05] <nixternal> yes, all of it is in python
[16:05] <nixternal> oh wait
[16:05] <nixternal> I have a connection with Virtual Servers
[16:05] <nixternal> I can talk to the guy because he wants me to bring Kubuntu to his business
[16:06] <nixternal> if we provide some love, ie. marketing him on the planet and what not, he will probably hook us up with everything we need for something like that
[16:12] <nixternal> Riddell: would a virtualized Kubuntu setup, with multiple systems, help us at all? I have a friend who runs a company that allows people to use Ubuntu/Kubuntu over the Internet and I am sure he would provide us with some virtualized love if we needed it
[16:12] <ScottK> So I just added ruby, ruby1.8-dev to the build dep and cmake was happy.
[16:12] <nixternal> I would barter with him of course to get it which is cool with me
[16:12] <nixternal> someone give Tonio a hug for me
[16:12] <apachelogger> mhh
[16:13] <ScottK> I'm not in a clean chroot, so it's probably something else I have installed.
[16:13] <apachelogger> ScottK: -dev only recommends ruby1.8 i think
[16:13] <ScottK> So it's building for the moment.
[16:14] <Riddell> nixternal: that's what shtylman was talking about, ask him what his ideas were
[16:14] <nixternal> yay, Feature Parity between Ubuntu/Kubuntu :)
[16:14] <nixternal> oh, so you found shtylman :)
[16:15] <Riddell> we did indeed
[16:15] <nixternal> groovy
[16:15] <nixternal> yes, mic's are on, so quit making fun of me :p
[16:17] <nixternal> how about a feature parity with other KDE distros as well?
[16:22] <nixternal> ScottK: ya, and I tested all of your damn changes in it
[16:23] <apachelogger> most of the time nixternal doesn-ät make sense, is that normal?
[16:23] <nixternal> apachelogger: I am listening in to the ice cast sessions at UDS
[16:24] <nixternal> that is what I am referring to there
[16:24] <JontheEchidna> nixternal: which room are you listening to?
[16:24] <apachelogger> clearly there should be an own channel for that :P
[16:24] <nixternal> the ubuntu/kubuntu parity one
[16:24] <nixternal> apachelogger: like anything else is going on in here
[16:25] <JontheEchidna> ah, room 8
[16:25] <apachelogger> yeah, but everything else got context one way or another :P
[16:25] <nixternal> listen in, otherwise don't hang out with the cool kids
[16:26] <apachelogger> pff
[16:26] <nixternal> hehe
[16:26] <JontheEchidna> the sound is much better than last year
[16:26]  * apachelogger goes searching for something for his sun burn
[16:26] <nixternal> ScottK: come on, it is great, who needs cruft :p
[16:26] <nixternal> the only thing it ever removed was a deb I downloaded
[16:26] <apachelogger> kruft!
[16:26] <nixternal> krap
[16:26] <JontheEchidna> people should remove kruft by hand with dpkg!
[16:27] <apachelogger> really
[16:27] <apachelogger> kruft is such an unimportant topic
[16:28] <apachelogger> seriously, the mole on nixternal's back is more important than kruft
[16:28] <nixternal> how do you know about that mole?
[16:28]  * JontheEchidna wonders who is talking now
[16:28] <JontheEchidna> needs moar video feeds
[16:28]  * apachelogger is ninja and therefore must know everything everytime
[16:28] <rgreening> apachelogger: I thought I was the only one who knew about the mole
[16:28] <nixternal> what am I doing right now?
[16:29] <rgreening> ew
[16:29] <apachelogger> scratching yer balls
[16:29] <nixternal> rgreening: damnit, what happens at UDS stays at UDS
[16:29] <nixternal> apachelogger: WRONG!
[16:29] <JontheEchidna> lol
[16:29] <apachelogger> uh
[16:29] <apachelogger> that reminds me
[16:29] <\sh> nixternal: FAI on Debian deploying ubuntu ,)
[16:29] <nixternal> hehe, I did that at cleversafe :)
[16:29] <apachelogger> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tm_xvfnNSY
[16:29] <nixternal> FAI == yes, no, yes, no, yes, yes, yes, no :)
[16:31] <JontheEchidna> I am part of the usecase where Xorg doesn't detect my monitor
[16:31] <JontheEchidna> I have a custom non-user-friendly xorg.conf
[16:31] <nixternal> we are an alien-friendly distro
[16:31] <nixternal> who cares about users
[16:31] <apachelogger> aliens!
[16:32] <JontheEchidna> which I have backups of so that I never lose
[16:32] <JontheEchidna> it
[16:32] <nixternal> yes, Kubuntu is GNU/Linux for everybody
[16:32] <nixternal> unlike Ubuntu who is Linux for humans
[16:32] <nixternal> they discriminate
[16:32] <apachelogger> hm
[16:32] <apachelogger> GNU/Linux
[16:32] <apachelogger> I don't like that
[16:32] <apachelogger> should be Linux/GNU
[16:32] <nixternal> GNU/Linux
[16:32] <nixternal> should be Hurd :p
[16:32] <apachelogger> or GNU and Linux
[16:32] <apachelogger> or Linux with GNU
[16:32] <apachelogger> something like that
[16:33] <apachelogger> new booty?
[16:33] <nixternal> GNUNIIL
[16:33] <apachelogger> that session is seriuosly weird
[16:33] <nixternal> seriously boring
[16:33]  * apachelogger switches back to depeche mode
[16:33] <nixternal> who's laptop sucks? it keeps spinning up the fan
[16:34] <JontheEchidna> kpackagekit had a "the package manager is working icon" but we disabled it due to notification system bugs
[16:34] <nixternal> sounds like a 747 moving around the tarmac
[16:34] <apachelogger> agreed
[16:36] <nixternal> GNASH installer!
[16:36] <nixternal> flash is just as broken anyways
[16:36] <JontheEchidna> The flash player installer works except when websites try to detect flash themselves
[16:36] <freeflying> nixternal: a lot of laptop do in this way
[16:36] <JontheEchidna> such as youtube and cnn
[16:36] <nixternal> not mine
[16:36] <nixternal> my fan hardly turns on until I do 'make -j3'
[16:37] <freeflying> nixternal: I'm jealous, what the brand of your laptop
[16:37] <nixternal> both my Dell and Compaq are like that
[16:37] <nixternal> Intel C2D
[16:37] <apachelogger> can reproduce on dell
[16:37] <freeflying> nixternal: my hp is really sucks
[16:38] <JontheEchidna> we have mountmanager
[16:39] <JontheEchidna> It's better than qt-parted, that's for sure
[16:42] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: nah
[16:42] <apachelogger> different uses
[16:42] <apachelogger> parted is for parting
[16:42] <apachelogger> manager is for managing mounts :P
[16:42] <apachelogger> anyway, there is a KDE parting application coming along nicely with kcm and all
[16:42] <JontheEchidna> oh, I'm thinking of another app...
[16:43] <apachelogger> yeah, I dunno what it is called either
[16:43] <apachelogger> !info partitionmanager
[16:43] <apachelogger> that one it is
[16:43] <JontheEchidna> yeah
[16:43] <nixternal> apachelogger: KDE Partition Manager
[16:45] <JontheEchidna> I don't really like mountmanager's gui
[16:45] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: lzma in the qt-kde .mk seems to be working just fine
[16:45] <apachelogger> see testbuild of kdetoys in my staging ppa
[16:45] <JontheEchidna> coolness
[16:46] <apachelogger> should I upload to karmic?
[16:47] <JontheEchidna> might wanna see some other opinions about it
[16:48] <JontheEchidna> but I don't forsee any problems with uploading it
[16:51] <Riddell> apachelogger: I'm curious why it isn't just default for debhelper
[16:51] <apachelogger> Riddell: requires a lot more resources at compression
[16:51] <apachelogger> compared to gzip
[16:52] <apachelogger> decompression is about the same as gzip though
[16:52] <Riddell> doesn't seem like a good excuse to me, a bit more work on the buildds isn't a major issue
[16:52] <apachelogger> well that is the only shortcoming I know of
[16:53] <apachelogger> Riddell: plus this also means more work for testbuilds etc.
[16:53] <apachelogger> that said, maybe I should check for an env variable, so one can turn off lzma compression
[16:54] <Riddell> mm, yes
[17:25] <ryanakca> rgreening: Don't bother with that kdetoys debdiff I sent you, I made the changes against the jaunty instead of the karmic version
[17:26]  * JontheEchidna decides to upgrade to karmic while it's relatively non-broken
[17:29] <nixternal> Riddell: is all the system-config-printer-kde stuff done in KDE svn now?
[17:41] <nixternal> nm, found it in kdeadmin
[17:43] <Mamarok> claydoh: you around?
[17:44] <claydoh> Mamarok: yes, just arrived :)
[17:44] <claydoh> still can't get into the admin area :(
[17:44] <Mamarok> claydoh: see my mail to -users, could you confirm that this will not be arbitrary?
[17:45] <claydoh> sure, will do so now
[17:46] <Mamarok> thx :)
[17:46] <Mamarok> the only one on moderation flag now is Ric, and of course the spammer who sends html mails and "funny" jokes
[17:47] <Mamarok> what was his name again...
[17:47] <Mamarok> claydoh: Duleep
[18:29] <claydoh> Mamarok: sent
[18:34] <Riddell> nixternal: kdeadmin s-c-p-k is up to date.  I tend to develop it in bzr if I'm doing dev during kde freezes, otherwise in SVN
[18:38] <Riddell> it's Artemis_Fowl
[18:39] <Artemis_Fowl> it's Riddell :)
[18:39] <Riddell> I saw your name on a book in an airport vending machine
[18:39] <Artemis_Fowl> Artemis Fowl? this is just a nickname
[18:40] <Riddell> oh don't go spoiling it.  admit it you're a famous author
[18:40] <Artemis_Fowl> xD
[18:40] <Artemis_Fowl> i am trying to keep a low profile
[18:40] <Artemis_Fowl> but it's not that easy
[18:42] <jjesse> Artemis_Fowl: what famous author are you?
[18:43] <Artemis_Fowl> I suppose I am Eoin Colfer, author of the Artemis Fowl novel series
[18:44] <jjesse> wow
[18:47] <ryanakca> Artemis_Fowl: Not living in Ireland anymore? How's Greece?
[18:47] <nixternal> Riddell: groovy, I went ahead and put it in a bzr branch for me...want to check out the smb stuff for it
[18:48] <Riddell> nixternal: actually I've no idea if smb is implemented or not, you just need to compare its functionality against system-config-printer-gnome and see what's missing
[18:48] <Artemis_Fowl> ryanakca: wonderful. it's getting hotter day by day
[18:48] <Riddell> I think smb works if you have the URL but the autodetection is missing
[18:49] <Mamarok> claydoh: thanks :)
[18:49] <vorian> kdelibs has a revision for core dev review please :)
[18:49] <vorian> ( a very small revision )
[18:52] <nixternal> Riddell: right, that is what I am attempting to do now, but stupid eclipse is irking me right now
[18:52] <claydoh> Mamarok: tho I still can't get in to the admin for the list :(
[18:52] <Riddell> nixternal: emacs!
[18:52] <nixternal> actually it isn't eclipse's fault, it is silly aptana and pydev
[18:52] <Riddell> well, I'd actually use kate but that's not quite as funny
[18:52] <nixternal> Riddell: text editors just don't get it for me anymore
[18:52] <claydoh> Mamarok: so I can't help admin the moderateed users
[18:52] <nixternal> I have been spoiled by IDEs
[18:55] <Riddell> claydoh: why not?
[18:59] <claydoh> Riddell: I don't know, the password is good, just won't let me in
[19:00] <claydoh> which is odd as I could get in before
[19:00] <Riddell> claydoh: then what makes you think the password is good?
[19:00] <claydoh> Mamarok is using it just fine
[19:06] <claydoh> Riddell and Mamarok: um, er, nevermind. pebkac :(
[19:14] <apachelogger> hm
[19:14] <apachelogger> ubuntu-mozilla-daily is prevent me from getting QCA running in kubuntu-kde-nightly
[19:14] <apachelogger> what a drag
[19:25] <apachelogger> and 2 people need to build the kernel
[19:25] <apachelogger> hooray
[19:25] <apachelogger> -.-
[19:29] <Artemis_Fowl> hmm
[19:29] <Artemis_Fowl> question
[19:29] <Artemis_Fowl> is it possible to invoke a shell, run a single command and then quit?
[19:29] <Artemis_Fowl> eg, something like "sh ls -l"
[19:32] <Quintasan|elsewh> argh, flash drvies me crazy, I can't get sound to work :S
[19:32] <Quintasan|elsewh> drives*
[19:32] <apachelogger> Artemis_Fowl: sh -c "ls -l"
[19:32] <apachelogger> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hau-7GYt3_k&feature=related
[19:33] <Artemis_Fowl> oh good
[19:33] <Artemis_Fowl> let's see if this is gonna work
[19:40] <JontheEchidna> why is prt scr right next to backspace? :(
[19:43] <Artemis_Fowl> got it working
[19:43] <Artemis_Fowl> at last
[19:44] <Artemis_Fowl> ladies and gentlemen Automagic Support is almost finished in KGRUBEditor
[19:44] <JontheEchidna> \o/
[19:44] <Artemis_Fowl> (although a little bit bugged :)
[19:55] <JontheEchidna> Any core-dev around to sponsor bug 380708?
[20:14] <Viper550> okay, this new 'stylesheet" stuff in qt4, how do I use it?
[20:30] <Riddell> Viper550: you need to download the version of qt with the QtDeclarative library, compile that, then run it
[20:31] <Viper550> Noughmad, in qt-desginer. I see the options, and applying stylesheets to stuff in it works
[20:34] <Riddell> Viper550: oh right, I misunderstood
[20:35] <Riddell> I've not used the stylesheet stuff but there should be docs on doc.qtsoftware.com
[20:35] <apachelogger> I would just take a look at the suse installer :P
[20:36] <Viper550> apachelogger, that's exactly what I wanted to do something like
[20:39] <Riddell> http://doc.qtsoftware.com/4.5/stylesheet.html
[20:42] <lex79> launchpad bug 380717
[20:43] <Riddell> lex79: is this a hint that it's my archive day? :)
[20:44] <lex79> yeah :) ahahah
[20:45] <lex79> launchpad bug 375786
[20:45] <apachelogger> yay
[20:45] <apachelogger> fakeroot messes with env vars
[20:45] <apachelogger> \o/
[20:48] <Riddell> too many geeks, kmess is taking ages to download
[20:49] <jussi01> Riddell: *g*
[20:49] <ray_seattle> hi there
[20:49] <ray_seattle> I re-cimpled a new kernel and updated by Grub file, after reboot I still see only the old kernel, what is going on ? 9.04
[20:50] <apachelogger> hm
[20:50] <Riddell> lex79: -include /usr/share/pkg-kde-tools/makefiles/1/cdbs/kde.mk
[20:50] <Riddell> +include /usr/share/pkg-kde-tools/qt-kde-team/1/debian-qt-kde.mk
[20:50] <Riddell> lex79: is there a reason for that?
[20:50] <apachelogger> Riddell: I don't think the lzmaification can be deactivated via an env var
[20:51] <apachelogger> somehow at least debuild messes with the vars in a way that nothing but a very small amount get sleft
[20:51] <Riddell> apachelogger: surely it can, it's activated by one is it no?
[20:51] <apachelogger> no, it should be on by default
[20:51] <Riddell> apachelogger: tried export FOO ?
[20:51] <lex79> Riddell: pkg-kde-tools transition
[20:51] <apachelogger> Riddell: yes
[20:52]  * jussi01 sighs... wasnt gcal integration into kontact done?
[20:52] <apachelogger> if I try to get the output manually via fakeroot make debian/rules blah  it works
[20:52] <apachelogger> uh
[20:52] <apachelogger> funs
[20:52] <apachelogger> Riddell: it also appears to be working with dpkg-buildpackage
[20:53] <apachelogger> As environment variables can affect the building of a package, often unintentionally, debuild sanitises the environment by removing all environment variables except for TERM, HOME, LOGNAME, GNUPGHOME, PGPPATH, GPG_AGENT_INFO, FAKEROOTKEY, DEB_*, the (C, CPP, CXX, LD and F)FLAGS variables and their _APPEND counterparts and the locale variables LANG and LC_*. TERM is set to `dumb' if it is unset, and PATH is set to
[20:53] <apachelogger>  "/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11".
[20:54] <apachelogger> one could do ... export NO_LZMA=1; debuild -e NO_LZMA
[20:54] <apachelogger> or
[20:54] <apachelogger> maybe
[20:54] <apachelogger> ...
[20:55] <Riddell> ray_seattle: we're not kernel people, try #ubuntu
[20:55] <apachelogger> yehha
[20:55] <apachelogger> DEB_NO_LZMA to the rescue
[20:55] <apachelogger> \o/
[20:59] <claydoh> yay kmymoney kde4 started: http://soliverez.com.ar/drupal/node/58
[20:59] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: could you sponsor bug 380708 and bug 380601 please?
[21:00] <yuriy_> nixternal, JontheEchidna: wow you're right, dr konqi is much improved in 4.3
[21:00] <apachelogger> of course it is
[21:00] <yuriy_> I can't install -dbg packages to really test though
[21:01] <yuriy_> do you know what information it submits in addition to the backtrace?
[21:01] <apachelogger> kde version, app version, gcc etc. I suppose
[21:01] <apachelogger> everything you would usually get asked by bko anyway
[21:01] <JontheEchidna> yeah
[21:01] <Riddell> lex79: uploaded
[21:01] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: let's see how the bandwidth holds up
[21:01]  * apachelogger thinks dr. konqi should really be able to retrace with dbg packages
[21:02] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: hehe, is barcelona's internets that bad?
[21:02] <yuriy_> apachelogger: doesn't it?
[21:02] <apachelogger> not retrace
[21:02] <apachelogger> it just whines at you if the bt is crap
[21:02] <yuriy_> apachelogger: that's the impression i got from the interface, I just can't test because there's not enough bandwidtth here to fetch dbg packages
[21:02] <lex79> Riddell: thanks
[21:02] <apachelogger> what it should do is tell you that you are missing packages and if you want to download it and if you want to it should do so and then retrace
[21:03] <yuriy_> apachelogger: that's almost exactly what the dialog says. what actually happens if you tell it to reload the trace after installing the packages?
[21:03] <apachelogger> I dunno
[21:03] <apachelogger> should be automated anyway
[21:03] <apachelogger> I don't see why $distro can't deploy a destkop file stating that $app needs $dbgpackage for debugging
[21:04] <yuriy> apachelogger: we can probably patch dr konqi to do that if we want to use it
[21:04] <apachelogger> and another one to state that $app $args $package is used to install said package
[21:04] <apachelogger> yuriy: nah, we can do that upstream
[21:04] <apachelogger> patching it would be the suse way of doing things :P
[21:04] <yuriy> but upstream there is no standard for installing a package
[21:04] <apachelogger> there doesn't need to be
[21:04] <apachelogger> desktop file
[21:05] <apachelogger> $distro deploys desktop file to inform KDE apps about how to install packages
[21:05]  * yuriy needs to crash something smaller than plasma and check this out
[21:05] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: it is with all the geeks gone back to their rooms.  who knows what they're doing to take up so much bandewidth
[21:05] <apachelogger> the very same can be done for khelpcenter
[21:05] <nixternal> lol
[21:05] <JontheEchidna> heh
[21:05] <apachelogger> essentially they could really use the same lib for the better part of work
[21:06] <nixternal> Riddell: its official, system-config-printer code base is scary :)
[21:06] <Riddell> nixternal: it is?
[21:08] <nixternal> yes it is
[21:08] <Riddell> nixternal: mostly it's copy and paste and adapt from the gnome version
[21:08] <nixternal> actually not scary, just a mess
[21:08] <apachelogger> hm
[21:08] <Riddell> although we can't use threads in system settings
[21:08] <apachelogger> it is a mess because it is python
[21:08] <apachelogger> just like it would be bloated if it was c++ :P
[21:08] <nixternal> apachelogger: I would have to agree on that part
[21:08] <nixternal> and that part as well :)
[21:08] <seele> nixternal: are you a red wings fan?
[21:08]  * apachelogger waits for working pkg-kde-tools to publish
[21:08]  * Riddell gags apachelogger before he gets a chance to say how ruby would solve every problem :)
[21:08] <nixternal> seele: ummm, did you just disrespect me?
[21:08] <nixternal> ;p
[21:08] <nixternal> GO HAWKS!
[21:08] <apachelogger> soyuz is way too slow for that name
[21:08] <yuriy>  can't use threads in system settings?
[21:08] <apachelogger> Riddell: ah, well, since python is messy and c++ is bloated there is only one real option anyway :P
[21:08] <apachelogger> javascript!
[21:08] <apachelogger> oh dear
[21:10] <seele> nixternal: lol
[21:10]  * seele needs to find jorge
[21:10] <seele> it is very likely the pens will play the redwings again for the stanley cup finals
[21:10] <apachelogger> hm
[21:10] <apachelogger> is it just me or is the PPA interface at times confusing?
[21:10] <apachelogger> in one column it says "Published" ... "8 minutes ago"
[21:10] <Mamarok> apachelogger: you should check the meaning of the word then...
[21:10] <Mamarok> soyuz just means "union"
[21:10] <Mamarok> nothing to do with speed
[21:10] <apachelogger> and it the build status it says that the binary is not yet published
[21:10]  * yuriy decides to bite the bullet and download kdebase-workspace-dbg and tries to crash plasma again
[21:11] <apachelogger> so clearly soyuz should either make it more visible what is source and what is binary or it should apply the published column to both
[21:11] <apachelogger> one way or another it is still too slow
[21:11] <apachelogger> must be because of the python mess :P
[21:12] <neversfelde> if I am requesting a sync, should I subscribe Ubuntu Package Archive directly before import freeze and not ask MOTUs?
[21:12] <apachelogger> Mamarok: like rosetta is called rosetta because the word rosetta means ehm well, it is a female name :P
[21:12] <apachelogger> neversfelde: a MOTU needs to ack
[21:13] <apachelogger> also you don't need to file sync requests unless there is need for a manual sync
[21:13] <neversfelde> then I do not understand the comment for bug 380423
[21:14] <Mamarok> apachelogger: nope, Rosetta, like the RRosetta stone :)
[21:14] <apachelogger> neversfelde: 2) is weird
[21:14] <apachelogger> 1) is what I said :P
[21:14] <neversfelde> and what should I do if there is no need for a manual sync?
[21:14] <apachelogger> 1 actually makes 2 invalid
[21:14] <lex79> Riddell: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/ScottKitterman/Libplasma-Dev
[21:14] <lex79> plasma-widget-quickaccess
[21:14] <yuriy> apachelogger: if the retracing does work and it can be changed to submit to LP, would you prefer dr konqi over apport crash handling?
[21:14] <yuriy> and nixternal ^
[21:15] <apachelogger> yes
[21:15] <apachelogger> neversfelde: because if you request a sync for a package that got an ubuntu change you need to justify why sync and not merge and the archive admins shouldn't really have to mess with finding out if it really should be a sync instead of a merge
[21:16] <apachelogger> that is why a MOTU should ack the request, to ensure that we indeed can sync and thus get rid of all ubuntu changes
[21:17] <apachelogger> Mamarok: so for soyuz you justify the slowness with the meaning of the word but for rosetta with the thing it is named after?
[21:17] <apachelogger> seriously
[21:17] <neversfelde> apachelogger: so it was the right way to file a sync bug?
[21:17] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: what's the status of kdevelop?
[21:17] <apachelogger> switching the view by 180 degrees we get: soyuz - space craft - should be fast - isn't ... rosetta - name - really a shame for everyone named rosetta :P
[21:18] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: kdevelop is at its kde4 version and built on all archs for karmic
[21:18] <apachelogger> so I personally would go with: soyuz - spacecraft - should be fast isn't ... rosetta - stone - not moving in any case anywhere :P
[21:18] <JontheEchidna> except for armel
[21:18] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: do you think upstream are ok with us getting rid of kde 3 version?
[21:19] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: it's half-broken anyways due to the lack of kde3 kio slaves and konsole kpart
[21:19]  * rgreening loves JontheEchidna FOR packaging kmediafactory :)
[21:19] <Mamarok> apachelogger: ask sabdfl, he will confirm both the meaning of the russian word "soyuz" and why he choose Rosetta
[21:19] <apachelogger> neversfelde: yes, but now ... check the version in karmic it is a debian version that was synced at some point (there aint is no ubuntuX), so until debian import freeze arora will be auto-synced once a week
[21:19] <apachelogger> Mamarok: ok, so soyuz fails the unity use case
[21:20] <jussi01> rgreening: Ill love someone if they package this :D http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/extragear/pim/googledata
[21:20] <apachelogger> I can't copy packages from ubuntu karmic to my ppa
[21:20] <JontheEchidna> rgreening: lex did the kde4 porting for the packaging
[21:20] <JontheEchidna> all I did was upload a bugfix release
[21:20] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: ok, gone
[21:20] <apachelogger> that ain't much unified really. ... that said that I have to copy where indeed a link would be much more appropriate is less unifiying than the issue above :P
[21:20]  * rgreening hugs lex too
[21:20] <neversfelde> apachelogger: ah ok, I did not know about automatic syncs :)
[21:20] <apachelogger> neversfelde: righto
[21:21] <lex79> rgreening:  :)
[21:21] <neversfelde> thank you
[21:21] <JontheEchidna> do versions like 4.0-1build1 get auto-synced?
[21:21] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[21:21] <apachelogger> Riddell: do they?
[21:21] <JontheEchidna> (e.g. fakesyncs or rebuilds)
[21:21] <yuriy> looks like the report a bug function got a bit better in 4.3 as well
[21:21] <Riddell> apachelogger: do who what?
[21:21] <apachelogger> neversfelde: if you need a quick sync, because for example you want to backport it, you can also ask an archive admin to do that real quick
[21:22] <apachelogger> Riddell: does *buildX get auto-synced
[21:22] <Riddell> yes
[21:22] <Riddell> only *ubuntu* isn't autosynced
[21:22] <apachelogger> neato, thx
[21:22] <Riddell> that's the whole point of using buildX
[21:22] <neversfelde> apachelogger: I wanted to file a backport request for aurora, so seems to be a good mistake to file a sync request ;)
[21:23] <apachelogger> well, still an archive admin needs to process the bug
[21:23] <apachelogger> so you might want to boke Riddell anyway :P
[21:23] <apachelogger> so, the bug really slowed you down in the backport process :P
[21:23] <neversfelde> hum ok
[21:23] <apachelogger> jussi01_ wrote something and I am too lazy to scroll
[21:24] <apachelogger> what to do, oh what to do
[21:24] <Riddell> neversfelde: arora should get autosynced as he says, but autosync won't be run this week since we're all at UDS
[21:25] <JontheEchidna> ah, I was wondering why autosyncing was taking so long
[21:26] <apachelogger> Riddell: why does that need to be run manually anyway?
[21:26] <neversfelde> Riddell: ok, have fun in spain :)
[21:26] <apachelogger> i.e. why isn't it cron'ed?
[21:27]  * JontheEchidna reboots into karmic
[21:27] <apachelogger> mhhh kexec
[21:27] <Riddell> neversfelde: synced
[21:27] <neversfelde> Riddell: and thank you for accepting it
[21:27] <neversfelde> :)
[21:28] <Riddell> apachelogger: I've never worked that out, it's always been run manually
[21:28] <rgreening> halllllllllllllllllllllppppppppppppppp!
[21:28] <apachelogger> hehe
[21:28] <Riddell> if we don't hear from JontheEchidna within 10 minutes, panic
[21:28] <apachelogger> it makes it a manual autosync :D
[21:29] <apachelogger> rgreening: what do you need halp with?
[21:29] <apachelogger> ah, my makefile magic in project-neon is flawed
[21:30] <apachelogger> and I am lagging for some unkown reason
[21:30] <rgreening> apachelogger: Tonio_ :P
[21:31] <apachelogger> what you are doing to him?
[21:31] <apachelogger> ah hold on, I don't wanna know
[21:31] <daskreech1> apachelogger: Your awesomeness slightly exceeds the speed of the universe. It'll catch up
[21:31] <apachelogger> uhh
[21:32]  * apachelogger hands daskreech1 a cookie
[21:32] <Tonio_> rgreening: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~david.edmundson/usb-creator/kde-frontend
[21:32] <Tonio_> rgreening: you need a web browser to open this fyi
[21:32] <Daskreech> numnumnumnumnum
[21:33] <jussi01> Tonio_: hey!
[21:33] <apachelogger> web browsers are so 90's
[21:33] <rgreening> Tonio_: smb
[21:33] <Tonio_> jussi01 hey ;)
[21:33] <Tonio_> rgreening: almost :)
[21:33] <rgreening> :P
[21:34] <jussi01> Tonio_: did you have any time to look at the mobile broadband thing for the nm plasmoid?
[21:34] <Tonio_> rgreening: it's a concept like smb, but links are opened with one clik :)
[21:34] <Tonio_> with smb it's generally two
[21:34] <Tonio_> the only difference I can see so far ;)
[21:34] <Daskreech> What's the FOSS version of SMB ?
[21:34] <apachelogger> SMB
[21:34] <yuriy> tomsdale: damn plasma in 4.3 crashed once and now I can't get it to happen again, and I've been trying
[21:34] <yuriy> oops
[21:34] <Daskreech> That sucks
[21:34] <yuriy> Tonio_:
[21:35] <apachelogger> yuriy: lul
[21:35] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna made it!
[21:35] <JontheEchidna> yup!
[21:35] <JontheEchidna> feels pretty much like jaunty + kde 4.3
[21:35] <apachelogger> not worth the fuzz, huh?
[21:36] <rgreening> Tonio_: how do i open a web browser?
[21:36] <JontheEchidna> the pager applet lost my number of rows setting, as usual on upgrades, but otherwise it went well
[21:36] <rgreening> NOT!
[21:36] <Riddell> rgreening: family project!
[21:37]  * apachelogger falls of chair
[21:37]  * Daskreech puts another chair under apachelogger
[21:37] <apachelogger> uh
[21:37]  * apachelogger hands Daskreech another cookie
[21:39] <tomsdale>  yuriy, I still feel with you :-)
[21:40] <apachelogger> yeah, I also get said when plasma stops crashing
[21:40] <apachelogger> s/said/sad
[21:41] <Tonio_> smarter: talking about smb, we'll have a discussion and a spec for the nautilus share port
[21:41] <smarter> okay
[21:41] <rgreening> have you seen the family stone?
[21:41] <rgreening> we are tame
[21:41] <JontheEchidna> eeeew: http://imagebin.ca/view/sNsH79B.html
[21:41] <rgreening> Riddell: ^
[22:00] <Riddell> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuKarmicQA  comments and fixes welcome
[22:03] <Daskreech> Riddell: Looks standard
[22:03]  * Riddell wonders if that's good
[22:04] <Daskreech> Me too
[22:05] <neversfelde> there are other network backends?
[22:07] <Daskreech> What are out beta installs?
[22:08] <Viper550>  okay arrgh I set a background image to a frame, and now everything inside that frame has that background. Don't want that
[22:12] <Daskreech> Riddell: I think a feedback plasmoid is a troke of brilliance
[22:12] <JontheEchidna> The Amarok beta2 packages in karmic work fine
[22:12] <JontheEchidna> Nightrose: ^
[22:12] <Daskreech> ++s
[22:12] <Mamarok> JontheEchidna: not usable in Jaunty AFAIK
[22:12] <Riddell> Viper550: widgets are transparent in qt these days
[22:13] <Viper550> nm... needed to add  background: url() to the stylesheet
[22:13] <JontheEchidna> the collection scanner is nice and snappy in 2.1
[22:13] <Daskreech> With compositing on?
[22:14] <Viper550> no. I'm in qt-designer
[22:14] <apachelogger> Riddell: on out beta
[22:14] <apachelogger> typo
[22:14] <JontheEchidna> ok, so the karmic packages work just fine, but not the jaunty backports?
[22:14] <Mamarok> JontheEchidna: it seems not, Nightrose talked about earlier today
[22:15] <apachelogger> Riddell: I would actually think that it makes more sense to send the data to a server that stores it in a db and spits it out in sensible html
[22:15] <Daskreech> *koffkoff* Knowhere *koff*
[22:15] <Riddell> apachelogger: that's another possibility, I think I'm leaning towards that now
[22:16] <Daskreech> I wish someone would pic Knowhere back up :(
[22:16] <Daskreech> pick
[22:16] <apachelogger> Riddell: it would certainly be easier to parse it that way
[22:16] <Mamarok> JontheEchidna: there were backported? then it might work, as the Karmic packages did not work in Jaunty (KDE version mismatch IIRC)
[22:17] <Daskreech> we could easily count the terms bucking fastards
[22:17] <JontheEchidna> Mamarok: oh, they probably weren't
[22:17]  * JontheEchidna is confusing issues it seems
[22:18] <JontheEchidna> I could probably backport the ones from karmic
[22:18] <JontheEchidna> but I won't be able to test them since I just upgraded to karmic
[22:22] <apachelogger> vm
[22:31] <ScottK> apachelogger: What's the url to your translations rant?
[22:31] <apachelogger> which one? :D
[22:32] <apachelogger> ScottK: that one? http://apachelog.blogspot.com/2009/04/facts-about-rosetta-and-kubuntu-l10n.html
[22:36] <ScottK> apachelogger: Yes.  That one.  Thanks.
[22:47] <Viper550> Riddell, http://imagebin.ca/img/RszzV1Ef.png ahh
[22:49] <nixternal> that's just a bit much text for such a small dialog isn't it?
[22:50] <Viper550> nixternal, well, I've been assuming it might get full-screened
[22:50] <nixternal> even for full screen, that would be like reading a EULA there is so much text
[22:51] <nixternal> I would try to split that up if possible
[22:51] <nixternal> if you can't make the UI intuitive enough that you need that much write up, then I would suggest a [ Help ] button maybe?
[22:52] <nixternal> and just have the help button popup a dialog that will contain the necessary help info
[22:54] <Viper550> nixternal, our old installer kinda had the same thing
[22:54] <nixternal> out with the old and in with the new then :)
[22:55] <Viper550> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/50/Arklinux_installer.png though we assume that there may be users who are noobs here...but thenagain what noobs nowadays even making it THIS far with Linux would need to know how to operate a keyboard/mouse
[22:59] <Daskreech> Viper550: A button or label marked help navigating would be good but assuming that they had ever installed anything on Windows I think they should get the idea
[23:00] <Viper550> hmm...but does Kubuntu's installer have "that" much help?
[23:01] <Daskreech> As in does it help you to figure out how to navigate ?
[23:01] <Viper550> yea
[23:02] <Daskreech> I honestly don't remember
[23:02]  * ScottK wonders what channel he is in?
[23:02] <nixternal> the Kubuntu one is simple enough that it doesn't need that much text
[23:02] <nixternal> ScottK: ditto
[23:03] <Daskreech> nixternal: I'd guess that is as well
[23:03] <Viper550> I'll remove it, but is the disclamier about backing up your data helpful too?
[23:03] <Daskreech> speaking of installing will kpackagekit have an add/remove view ?
[23:03] <Daskreech> Viper550: Always
[23:03] <apachelogger> well
[23:03] <apachelogger> that requires $user to know what a backup is
[23:03] <apachelogger> and how to do it
[23:03] <Daskreech> Still a good note to have
[23:04] <apachelogger> nah, might confuse users
[23:04] <Daskreech> Someone may not know this is going to do destructive thigns to the hard drive
[23:04] <apachelogger> those that know what a backup is will know to do one
[23:04] <apachelogger> Daskreech: if it does it is a bug anyway
[23:04] <Daskreech> Yes but those that don't know what the installer is should be informed
[23:04] <Daskreech> apachelogger: partitioning is a foreign idea to most people
[23:05] <apachelogger> yes, so is backup
[23:05] <Daskreech> Installing something is at worse some spyware app that is annoying not something that erases your 35 year family photo collection with the rest of your data if you put in the wrong "folder"
[23:06] <apachelogger> Daskreech: you can't write "yer might lose all yer data"
[23:06] <Daskreech> why not?
[23:06] <apachelogger> because that will lead the target audience to not proceed
[23:06] <apachelogger> since they don't know how to prevent this, nor bother
[23:07] <Daskreech> Tell them to accept the defaults in the same write up and make the defaults not screw up the current data
[23:07] <Viper550> but we've kinda always had several install options,
[23:08] <apachelogger> options are not bad, making the user choose is ;-)
[23:08] <Daskreech> Well in that case label the potentially destrucive ones with a warning will remove current data not reversible
[23:08] <Daskreech> apachelogger: true
[23:08] <Daskreech> Welcome to the Microsoft WIzard
[23:08] <Viper550> such as the usual "erase a hard drive", "expert mode" (with qtparted), and a "parallel" mode
[23:09] <apachelogger> the defaults should be sane enough to not break anything and make the user end up with a fancy system
[23:09] <Viper550> which is basically a "resize your existing partitions" thing
[23:09] <apachelogger> how is the user supposed to know that if it looks like all the other options? ;-)
[23:10] <Daskreech> It has a good looking girl standing next to it?
[23:10] <Viper550> http://common.ziffdavisinternet.com/util_get_image/13/0,1425,sz=1&i=136878,00.jpg
[23:11] <apachelogger> that might not work for every part of the target audience though :P
[23:11] <Viper550> though I think for the new installer we will tone down the "system install" option to be a "pick a drive, any drive" affair
[23:11] <apachelogger> hm
[23:12] <Viper550> http://imagebin.ca/view/9sLtLjm.html I had this earlier
[23:13] <apachelogger> way too much information IMHO
[23:13] <Riddell> kde commit 973349
[23:13] <Riddell> hmm
[23:13] <Riddell> !commit 973349
[23:13] <apachelogger> kde svn
[23:13] <Riddell> !kde commit 973349
[23:13] <Riddell> !kde svn 973349
[23:13] <Viper550> yeah, our old installer kinda reminded me of a failed attempt at a Vista-style wizard UI
[23:13] <Riddell> yay for nixternal
[23:13] <Riddell> no
[23:13] <Riddell> yay for NCommander
[23:13] <Riddell> but yay for nixternal too just for luck
[23:14]  * apachelogger finds nixternal the hotter kubuntu dev of those two
[23:14] <NCommander> Riddell, I didn't know upstream KDE called me "ARM king" which is what toma said on IRC
[23:14] <NCommander> apachelogger, didn't realize you were into older men.
[23:14] <apachelogger> depends really
[23:14] <apachelogger> though generally I am more attracted to older, which is not too difficult considering I am so young :P
[23:15] <apachelogger> NCommander: btw, if you get project-neon ppa non-virtual you could even get status reports on KDE's status on armel etc ;-)
[23:16] <NCommander> apachelogger, I tried barking up that tree, and was attacked by elmo
[23:16] <NCommander> (basically its got to be a Canonical-only PPA)
[23:17] <apachelogger> in that case they might wanna get virtual armel buildds :P
[23:18] <Daskreech> Does Kpackagekit use a GTK password dialog?
[23:18] <apachelogger> not if you don't have it installed
[23:18] <nixternal> Riddell: adding an svn account during freeze? :p
[23:18] <NCommander> But if you do, it defaults to it over the KDE one
[23:19] <NCommander> nixternal, I just got mine during a freeze
[23:19] <apachelogger> so I have been told
[23:19] <apachelogger> which is weird
[23:19] <nixternal> dang, toma isn't around for me to threaten removal of mailody :p
[23:20] <Daskreech> hmm ok
[23:20] <apachelogger> lol
[23:21] <nixternal> ok, I have the usb-creator stuff pimping out pyqt style
[23:21] <nixternal> only question I have is how to properly import either DBusGMainLoop or DBusQtMainLoop
[23:22] <nixternal> could do it in a try, but if someone has both installed, could be funky, as it may import the GMain over the QtMain when needing the QtMain
[23:23] <nixternal> must say usb-creator is much simpler than unetbootin
[23:39] <NCommander> nixternal, yay for ports :-)
[23:53] <nixternal> [05/26/09][07:59:30][    sabdfl] but yes, Canonical has a privileged position, and if that makes people uncomfortable they will find other projects to participate in
[23:53] <nixternal> wth? Hobbsee what did you start?
[23:53] <nixternal> another moment in "Keeping our community"
[23:53] <apachelogger> community is overrated anyway
[23:53] <nixternal> obviously