[00:24] Ooh, kdevelop's making a production release of the kde4 kdevelop in a few weeks from may 5th [00:50] Anybody have the time to look at these, what with UDS and all? https://bugs.launchpad.net/~echidnaman/+reportedbugs?field.searchtext=sync === yuriy_ is now known as yuriy [01:05] good evening, are the packages all set to upgrade jaunty to latest kde? [01:05] or will i mess things up again? [01:14] yo [01:14] you will mess things up still [01:18] JontheEchidna: plasma-widgets are ready [01:20] vorian: cool, glad to know [01:20] JontheEchidna: what is the package i need to install to get your cool weather background stuff? [01:20] jjesse: it's default! [01:21] jjesse: plasma-wallpapers-addons [01:21] oh cool [01:21] I really think the Icy Tree is pretty cool B-) [01:21] hehe [01:21] lex79: whee! [01:21] JontheEchidna: I about crapped my pants when I saw that [01:21] JontheEchidna: is that in kde 4.3.2? [01:21] lex79: 2 more than last time [01:21] jjesse: yeah, in 4.3 beta [01:22] should i still wait to upgrade to 4.3 or things better the nbefore? [01:22] * JontheEchidna goes off to sponsor 14 plasmoid uploads [01:23] There might be one or two file conflict errors left (I just don't get that one with libkdepim4) but nothing a "sudo dpkg -i --force-overwrite /path/to/deb" can't fix [01:23] JontheEchidna: yeah :) [01:24] hrmm maybe i will still wait a bit, just reloaded a fresh jaunty 64-bit [01:32] plasma-widgets starts to take over ubuntu lol [01:32] JontheEchidna: what ever happened to 4.2.3? [01:32] vorian: about moving it to proposed? [01:33] yep [01:33] I was just going to get the extragear packages, and noticed it isn't anywhere [01:33] oh, there was a regression in RSSNow, but it's probably a Qt 4.5.1 regression [01:33] afaik nothing's stopping it now [01:33] ok [01:34] so it's intrepid-proposed then? [01:34] wait, actually it's still up for debate where the regression lies [01:34] hrm [01:35] bug 374143 [01:35] Launchpad bug 374143 in kdeplasma-addons "RSSnow don't display anything on kde 4.2.3" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/374143 [01:35] upstream sez it don't care, so unless we can figure it out ourselves... [01:35] ok [01:36] is there anything else that needs doing then JontheEchidna? [01:37] the beta packages could go through another round of "looking at the cmake output log and adding build-depends for missing features" [01:37] and beta upgrade testing [01:37] heh, i'll look at cmake [01:37] speaking of which, akonandi seems out of date [01:38] everybody's away at UDS so I can't get any cool stuff done that requires an archive admin or core-dev ;.; [01:38] no biggie, we have bzr for that (and nixternal) [01:39] so I'll just go back to being lex's plasma-widget upload bitch [01:39] haha [01:39] lex79: when are you applying for motu? [01:39] vorian: I don't know :) [01:40] should be soonish, me thinks [01:40] JontheEchidna: just have nixternal upload it for you, he's core-dev aint he? [01:42] oh, yeah [01:47] what is the uds channel on irc again? [01:47] #uds? [01:49] jjesse: #ubuntu-devel-summit [01:49] when 4.2.3 is ready to jaunty-proposed, kubuntu-dev what should they do? just copying from experimental to archive? or packaging again? [01:49] jjesse: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDSKarmic/RemoteParticipation [01:50] they just copy it lex79 [01:50] good ;) [01:54] JontheEchidna: stasks needs on k-d-s imo :) [01:55] map-containments-to-virtual-desktops so needs in k-d-s [01:55] anyone package pgame plasma yet? [01:55] now that it actually works ;-) [01:56] Quintasan is working on pgame [01:56] meh [01:56] and needs a second revu iirc [01:56] * vorian looks === jjesse_ is now known as jjesse [02:15] lex79: universe is now libplasma-dev free [02:16] JontheEchidna: thanks for uploads [02:16] you're welcome [02:18] lex79: you didn't drop the cmake build-dep in a few packages where you said you did, but I just fixed those and uploaded [02:18] just for reference [02:19] oh, and do you need that kmplayer merge reviewed? [02:20] Tonio has uploaded kmplayer [02:21] JontheEchidna: why cmake is needs? [02:21] lex79: it's not, but you forgot to remove it in a few places [02:21] oh ok [02:21] ohmy [02:22] the restart icon is missing from the systray [02:22] :o [02:22] after an update, it looks like a missing desktop file maybe? [02:23] lex79: I was talking about bug 378185 [02:23] Launchpad bug 378185 in kmplayer "Merge from debian unstable kmplayer 0.11.1a" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/378185 [02:24] oh, debian just did a no-changes new upstream release [02:24] nvm [02:24] JontheEchidna: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kmplayer [02:25] technically we still don't have 1ubuntu1 :P [02:25] I will merge, Tonio has uploaded new release :( [02:25] actually, he never merged so it still needs one... [02:25] in that bug there was merge+new release [02:26] so now needs merge, ok? [02:27] yeah [02:30] KDE packages in universe are looking pretty good merge-wise [02:30] except for the kde3 packages no one cares about :P [02:31] ahahah yes [02:49] JontheEchidna: last in changelog 1:0.11.1a-0ubuntu1 [02:49] after merge [02:49] 1:0.11.1a-1ubuntu1 ? [02:49] yeah [02:49] :) [02:50] I'm going to bed in a bit, so I'll sponsor it tomorrow [02:50] JontheEchidna: ok, night [03:00] dtchen: poke [03:00] (a gentle poke at that) [03:09] dtchen: i'm messing with things I shouldn't be (ALSA!!!!) [04:58] Hi, there! I used the kernelcheck app to download and compile a new kernel, do I need to update Grub ? or anything else, because after I re-boot, still only showing the old kernel choices in Grub Menu === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan [06:57] hiho [06:59] nooooooo [07:04] one more reason to ditch Pulseaudio: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=194117 [07:04] KDE bug 194117 in general "Crash in pulseaudio while playing last fm stream" [Crash,Unconfirmed] [07:05] this is only causing problems, over and over again... [07:10] * Quintasan had only problems with PA [07:10] apachelogger, vorian, JontheEchidna: I've updated the description again, not much I can add since it is a very simple widget :/ [07:11] * Quintasan is off to school [08:11] sebas: got the photo from yesterday? [08:19] Riddell: on the camera in the hotel room, I'll get it for you later ... === Riddell changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Qt@Olso> love coming soon | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuKarmicSpecs | Sync/Merges: http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/multidistrotools/kubuntu-desktop.html | Be careful whilst packaging | Transitions: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/rgreening/KarmicPhononPackages and https://wiki.kubuntu.org/ScottKitterman/Libplasma-Dev [08:21] what kind of love Riddell? [08:21] hot sticky love [08:23] I think I just got sick :) [08:23] nixternal! [08:23] nixternal: how is your ankle? [08:24] pretty bad...that's why I am up and decided to hop online [08:24] nixternal: ice, ice, and ice again, essential for the first 3 days [08:24] injury? [08:24] my plan was to take a break from IRC as it absorbs way to much time, but since I broke my ankle, I have nothing else to do :( [08:25] Mamarok: ya, the polar ice cap is getting smaller because of me [08:25] :) [08:25] nixternal: oh, darn. You're supposed to avoid doing that! [08:25] nixternal: and get a better doctor who prescibs you some decent painkillers [08:25] ya, my ankle isn't green :) [08:25] actually it is black and blue :) [08:25] prescribes* [08:26] ya, ibu isn't doing its thing [08:26] up to 1000mg every 4 to 6 hours [08:26] i know it isn't good, but the pain is damn near unbearable for me, which usually isn't the case [08:26] ibu? try some irn bru [08:26] lol [08:26] some irn bru or the pisco I had with nxvl at the last UDS [08:27] nixternal: Ibuprofen is 1200mg/24 hours, combine it with Paracetaml, 4 g/24 hours max [08:27] I got so drunk one night on Pisco at Mt. View I could have broken everything and wouldn't have noticed [08:27] holy smokes, ok, need to tone down that ibu then [08:27] nixternal: take both, that really will work better than ibu alone [08:28] ibuprofen is only an anti inflamatory, it won't remove all pain by itself /me looks at Mamarok to confirm [08:28] ScottK: I have ktorrent which is in main. can you upload 4 me? Do you want the debdiff or... [08:28] you really took 1 g of Ibuprofen every 4-6 hours? Man, you will have no stomach left! [08:29] "While generally safe for human use at recommended doses, acute overdoses of paracetamol can cause potentially fatal liver damage..." [08:29] I don't need any more live damage ;p [08:29] live=liver [08:29] Riddell: if it successfully reduces an inflammation, it does actually reduce pain, but in nixternals cas that's not enough [08:29] ya, thanks rgreening :) [08:29] he should have been given some codeine [08:29] :P [08:30] nixternal: it's save at max 4g/24 hours over a few days [08:30] * Mamarok waves her pharmacist hat [08:30] i tried so hard to get codeine, but they won't prescribe for anything outside of surgery now I guess...especially here in Chicago [08:30] nixternal: that's idiotic, so you just grind your theeth or what? [08:31] a broken ankle is a true indication for codeine or tramadol [08:31] no, I have a rag I naw on [08:32] * Mamarok thinks the US health system is a desaster, and doctors are stupid to leave patients in pain [08:32] ScottK: ktorrent phonon update for karmic... http://paste.ubuntu.com/181007/ [08:34] the funny thing is, if i am just resting the ankle up, it hurts more...if i put a bit of weight on it, it doesn't hurt so much [08:34] though i am walking very funny today compared to yesterday [08:35] and what is keeping me awake is when i move in bed and hit it with my other foot...worse than a leg cramp in the middle of the night [08:35] nixternal: pressure can reduce an existing pain, yeah, but you really have to put it up most of the time, that will hepl reduce the swelling [08:35] help* even [08:35] ya, it was up all day...i sat in my lazy boy chair all day long...first time ever I think [08:36] typical bachelor/guy...had to get the biggest most confy chair in the world, and don't even use it [08:36] nixternal: did you apply some bandage? [08:36] bandage helps reducing the swelling too and stabilizes the ankle [08:37] ya, my mom stopped by and got me one, better than what i got from the hospital [08:37] i had ice on it quite a bit today...that always made it feel a bit better [08:38] rgreening: I still don't have my keys here. [08:38] nixternal: I can do it [08:39] not nixternal [08:39] rgreening: I can do it [08:39] Riddell: ty. :) [08:40] Ok, so aftger ktorrent, that's all packages in main requiring an update for the libqt4-phonon-dev dep change [08:40] rock [08:41] There are 5 more requiring an update from universe. See here if you can help... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/rgreening/KarmicPhononPackages [08:41] Riddell: koffice2 .. did you update if last build fro libqt4-phonon-dev? [08:43] rgreening: no, it still depends on libphonon-dev [08:43] ok, seeing you built it last. and prob have the src... want to update it? :) [08:43] Riddell: ^ [08:45] doing [08:45] that Global issue, there is a fix for Qt, I wonder where it is [08:46] ty Riddell... that leaves 4 more packages :) [08:46] somewhere in their Git tree I expect, probably impossible to find now [08:46] Quintasan: all 3 uploads for you have been completed. Thank you for yuor contribution. :) there are 4 left if you want to take another stab :) === yuriy_ is now known as yuriy [08:58] bizarre and cool... my ssh session survives a suspend/resume.... [09:01] umm, listening in on the Kubuntu Management session and it sounds like a damn Canonical Management session [09:01] someone get whoever is talking back on track [09:01] nixternal: rick spencer is talking about what his job is === santiago-pgsql is now known as santiago-ve [09:02] nixternal: The session is how can Canonical management help us better. [09:02] ScottK: gosh, don't drown in the sarcasm there :P [09:02] when is that going to start? [09:02] Hobbsee: I'm actually not being sarcastic. [09:02] zzzZzzZzZZzzZzZzZz [09:03] ScottK: hrm. it seems you aren't. [09:03] Hobbsee: ya, not used to him not being sarcastic in this type of situation :p [09:05] lol [09:05] ScottK irl <> ScottK irc :) [09:11] That's sebas talking. [09:11] I know that [09:11] Not everyone may. [09:11] i can tell his quiet little voice [09:11] big guy, small voice :) [09:12] come on ScottK and sebas, give it to um :p [09:12] *cough* ayatana *cough* [09:12] ;-) [09:12] ooh, yes, netbook attack :) [09:12] Different discussion. [09:12] grrr, I want to hear fur flying [09:12] so glad sebas is there [09:13] +1 [09:14] he is good to have if you all get jumped when going out at night as well :) [09:15] I so need a netbook so I can get in on a KDE netbook remix deal [09:16] close the door to that room [09:16] woo, got some stuff finished before the doc freeze in KDE [09:16] what deal? [09:17] hacking on it upstream, creating a netbook version [09:17] no deal as in a business deal [09:17] YES! [09:17] nixternal: ah, roger [09:18] I tried to get on the OEM team, but the manager was very rude and didn't interview properly...ie. he never called on the date he was supposed to....interesting how it happened while OpenWeek was going on and this little joke about blue headed step child was made [09:19] tis part of the reason I don't even want to work in the community anymore...still trying to stomach it a bit [09:20] errr [09:20] nixternal: this is in Canonical? [09:20] yup [09:20] whatta... that's not how you build community and/or work team [09:21] right, but nobody cared about the whole thing, so that made me not care [09:21] nixternal: whom you wanna contact? OEM manager in us? [09:22] don't want to contact anybody [09:22] the OEM manager or his assistant were rude and didn't contact me and didn't return emails [09:31] if Rick wants to work with Kubuntu, shouldn't he at least be in the IRC channel? People have said they want to work with us, and then they never stick around the IRC channel or don't even come in here [09:32] it sounds good in theory [09:32] right [09:32] but i share nixternal's concern [09:32] it has always been a theory unfortunately [09:32] nixternal: He's been in the channel a fair amount. [09:32] what is his nick? [09:32] that also applies to xubuntu, any other flavours, and motu, bugsquad, etc, and anyone who doesn't work for canonical, too. [09:32] he was in here when some discussion went on, but I never saw him after that [09:32] nixternal: rickspencer [09:33] * nixternal greps logs [09:34] ok, I see he has hung out in here...but that is much like me hanging out in a channel lurking [09:34] nixternal: He's been active at point too. [09:35] nixternal: my gut feeling is that more needs to go to the mailing lists, and people need to respond to that, rather than hte hours on irc, tbh [09:35] which is somewhat agnostic, i know [09:35] Hobbsee: you, myself, and others have said that for years :) [09:35] nixternal: drive away. it's no longer my baby ;) [09:35] not that it ever really was, but... [09:35] wooo, been in here for just over 4 years now...I am a luser :p [09:38] i don't want anyone to leave here thinking that i'm committing to [09:39] what was that? [09:39] Hobbsee: stopping late breaking changes [09:39] ah [09:40] There's no public list for that at least. i'ts been requested by various on -devel-discuss, too [09:40] afaik [09:40] WTF [09:41] hm? [09:41] nobody knows what KDE is? [09:41] who said that? [09:41] I think Rick just said it [09:41] nixternal: certainly not how it works, how it builds, etc. [09:41] whta it depends on [09:42] "kubuntu" to outsiders is like the oem team stuff, but public., to the general perception [09:42] I think with translations ScottK, you need to talk to Jono and his new guy [09:43] We need to attack from all angles. [09:43] kind of like what the Tech Board used to do years back? [09:43] who is rgreening's roommate? [09:43] doesn't his snoring suck? [09:43] * ScottK and yes. [09:43] I am still missing a sock from the last UDS [09:44] I think it got sucked off of my foot [09:44] ScottK: dude, on the ship, have you ever heard anything other than a gunmount being that damn loud? [09:44] It's pretty incredible. [09:45] people thought I was overexagerating it last year [09:45] :) [09:45] define 'they'? [09:45] * Mamarok thinks they don't know what snoring is till they hear markey [09:45] LOL, hillarious [09:45] we have reached out, it doesn't last long [09:46] why can't they reach out? why can't they even try to reach out? [09:46] the TB used to reach out and we would report weekly to them [09:46] rick, how are you intending to make this stuff sustainable? [09:47] nixternal, I found your sock... want it back :) [09:47] hahhaa, no, because you probably processed it before finding it :p [09:48] Hobbsee: are you listining to room 4? [09:48] was it white once? [09:48] doh, i missed it [09:48] seele: yeah [09:48] seele: ya, we are listening to it [09:49] did you just wake up for it? [09:49] not that i'm sure anyone's actually watching irc there [09:49] feel like i'm talking to a brick wall, this UDS [09:49] nixternal: no, i just happened to not be able to sleep :) [09:49] Hobbsee: :) [09:49] seele: me either, broken ankle :( [09:49] nixternal: ow :( [09:49] though it is about time for you to wake up there anyways [09:49] it is going on 4am here [09:50] rock on Dirk is talking about "Making Ubuntu BetteR"....tell um "Rich/nixternal said hi" :) [09:50] 5am here [09:51] * Hobbsee is wondering if we're (you're) heading about this all the wrong way. [09:51] Hobbsee: I always gauge interest by Riddell's enthusiasm :) [09:52] Hobbsee: what you mean? [09:53] ScottK: can you make sure someone (doesnt have to be you) pays attention to IRC during this next session? [09:53] what's the next session [09:53] * yuriy tries to pay attention as long as he doesn't get kicked off [09:54] seele: what session? [09:54] nm, usability I am guessing :) [09:54] nixternal: yeah [09:56] in which room? [09:57] Tm_T: well, from past experience, anything that relies on people to get up and reach out, from either side, doesn't work so well, without someone going and reminding them each time, if htey haven't done so, and taking ownership of it [09:57] any attempt at passing the buck to the community seems to fail. [09:57] ie, it doesn't seem to work as a long-term strategy [09:59] i do like the idea of getting kubuntu attendance to the ubuntu desktop team meeting [09:59] hwoever, i suspect that people won't come, as they'll feel they're interrupting with a canonical meeting. I"m not sure how one solves that [10:00] argh, that's lame [10:01] i'm not sure how one solves the "one side spends way more collective hours on their side than the other", either [10:01] so there is no way to listen to the usability clinic? [10:04] seele: I'll try. [10:05] ScottK: it's not in room 4 anymore apparently? so there is no icecast? [10:05] seele: Yes, I just found this out. I'm sitting in the room where I thought it was. [10:06] it's just a group around a table outside [10:07] I'll try to go found find them. [10:14] nixternal: rick is always on this channel (when he's on IRC) [10:15] does he follow this channel too? [10:16] Riddell: ya, i grep'd it from the logs [10:24] is anyone at the usability clinic? will the next hour be moved as well or will it be in room 8? [10:28] i'm guessing they're staying at the outside table [10:28] they've got signs and all [10:34] blah, well i'm not getting up early again [10:36] they did that purposely...I heard them say "Lets go outside so that crazy KDE person will leave us alone" :p [11:51] Riddell: amarok works here, appart from errors due to qtscriptgenerator [11:52] Riddell: otherwise I've been able to scan my collection, listen sound, use last.fm... [11:54] Nightrose: ^^ [11:54] claydoh, Riddell FYI, I put Ric Moore on moderation as his posts are almost only OT and thread hijacking [11:56] * Hobbsee applauds Mamarok [11:57] Hobbsee: thx :) [11:58] the same will go for all the other Yorkshire men if they continue btw [11:58] Mamarok: on -user? [11:58] Nightrose: I'm suspecting the crash on startup might be for users with existing amarok data, since tonio doesn't have any [11:59] Riddell: yes [12:00] Riddell: ok i'll move my settings and try [12:01] rgreening: http://ryanak.ca/~ryan/kdetoys_4.2.2-0ubuntu2.debdiff [12:04] yay, ryanakca is going to be a ninja! [12:04] Riddell: you are right - it is something in share/apps/amarok - i suspect a script [12:04] investigating [12:05] i had the lyrics applet causing crashes in the current version until i deleted all my amarok settings, so that might be worth a look [12:06] Riddell: :) [12:06] yea it is something in the scripts folder... [12:06] narf! [12:06] probably the same problem we had with beta 1 [12:06] meh [12:07] rgreening: Updated [12:07] https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuKarmicPackaging https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuKarmicDevelopment up for comments and suggestions [12:12] hey [12:13] Riddell: doesn't s-c-p-k already has samba sharing? [12:13] Riddell: wth - now it works [12:13] * Nightrose doesn't get it [12:16] smarter: mm, maybe, I should look at it again and remind myself what still needs to be done [12:17] * smarter is pretty sure he used it [12:17] what needs to be done however and we've been planned for Tonio_ for quiet some times now, is samba file sharing integration ("net usershare") in Dolphin and KDE in general [12:18] *with Tonio_ [12:18] Riddell: yes this is something I'd want to talk with you this week [12:18] Riddell: the idea is basically to port nautilus-share to kde [12:19] Tonio_: hi :) [12:19] but in better :P [12:19] smarter: yop ! [12:19] well we've spoked about it before. it should be done. if you think putting it on the spec would help we can do that [12:19] smarter: well just porting would be nice to start ;) [12:19] smarter, Riddell: I'll write a spec about that [12:20] Riddell: should we handle this privately or would you like this included in one of the remaining sessions ? [12:20] Tonio_: you can ask rick for a session if you want [12:20] on a totally unrelated note, what about including Basket back if the port gets finished? [12:20] Riddell: kk [12:20] register a blueprint and e-mail that to him, he'll schedule it [12:20] * smarter is currently experimenting with making Basket use Plasma for its main view, à la Amarok :) [12:20] smarter: I'll write the spec today, will ask rick [12:20] ok [12:21] and let you know :) [12:21] Tonio_: the session should be before writing the spec [12:21] Riddell: I was thinking blueprint, not spec, sorry ;) [12:21] smarter: basket is interesting, it might be something ubuntu 1 people could look at for their stuff [12:22] that's one usecase I didn't think of, but why not :) [12:23] smarter: trouble with basket is it's yet another notes app and we already have two on the CD (plasma applet and knotes) a third seems overkill [12:23] it would be nice if they shared file format at least, although I don't know if that makes sense technically [12:23] right [12:24] * Riddell lunches [12:25] see you [12:46] ddd [12:51] okay...I know this may have little to do with Kubuntu, but I'm doing the UI for an installer for a future KDE 4 distro [12:53] http://imagebin.ca/img/9sLtLjm.png [13:03] yo [13:04] good UI? It might enmd up being a full-screen-er like some other distros [13:04] our current installer still uses qt/embedded, lol framebuffer [13:05] Riddell: ping [13:06] Viper550: I, personally, do not like dialogs where you have to choose [13:06] the target audience of ark might, but I certainly do not ;-) [13:06] our previous installer kinda had a "pre-Aero" like motif to that screen [13:07] Viper550: also, you might want to look into CSS theming, IMHO the suse installer looks pretty darn awesome [13:07] I've noticed the new stylesheet stuff in qtdesigner, yes [13:08] hm [13:09] there he goes [13:10] and I just wanted to whine about how there should be spacers between the items to make it more obvious which description belongs to which item :D [13:17] Mamarok: okey dokey, just prepare for the cranky old dudes to fam some flames :/ [13:17] JontheEchidna: pong [13:18] Riddell: Hi, dunno if you have some time, but I have some kubuntu-archive-adminy things for some lucky guy to do: https://bugs.launchpad.net/~echidnaman/+reportedbugs?field.searchtext=sync [13:19] claydoh: frankly, I don't give a ... those dudes refuse to behave, let them go elsewhere, we have enough work like that [13:19] * JontheEchidna has been on a little UDS sprint at home [13:19] they can do all the 4 Yorkshiremen stuff and bike shedding they want in sounder, not on -users [13:21] Also I think the "seperate the GTK theme module from gtk-qt-engine" is a bit more complicated than a packaging job. It has some functions tied in to gtk-qt-engine that would need to be removed [13:25] JontheEchidna: are you on koffice 2.0.0? [13:26] apachelogger: riddell uploaded that yesterday [13:26]