[02:29] <vorian> er... alsa-base is borked
[02:30] <owen1_> is there a problem with xubuntu cd? i get segmentation fault when trying to burn it.
[03:17] <owen1_> i did a checksum and I tried burning with brasero and xfburn but get errors. any clue?
[03:58] <anilg> is there a command to list all the packages available? dpkg -l only lists installed packages
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[03:59] <vorian> display all 36085 possibilties?
[03:59] <vorian> NO!
[04:00] <anilg> wanted something I can use in a script.. so o/p of some command would be helpful
[04:02] <anilg> one workaround is 'apt-cache search a' .. since the letter a is in all the packages or it;s description
[04:02] <Rail> apt-cache pkgnames?
[04:04] <cyphermox> search a will be missing some
[04:12] <anilg> Rail: pkgnames also shows non-existant packages, (but referred to by other packages)
[04:12] <anilg> apt-cache search ""  game me what I was looking for .. all binary packages in the repo
[04:13] <anilg> Thanks for the help
[09:01]  * calc doing another build hoping that the ooo-l10n rosetta stuff is unbroken now
[09:31] <calc> TheMuso: are you aware of the alsa-base failure to install in karmic?
[09:31] <calc> TheMuso: for 1.0.20+dfsg-1ubuntu1
[10:19]  * cjwatson looks around for an MIR reviewer
[10:21] <infinity> cjwatson: I'm not an MIR reviewer, but I play one on TV.
[10:22] <cjwatson> unionfs-fuse bug 379952 kthxbye
[10:30] <infinity> cjwatson: I'm making doko do it, since he refuses to add me to the MIR team without pitti's approval. :P
[10:30] <infinity> cjwatson: (Looks good to me, though)
[10:32] <cjwatson> infinity: heh
[10:32] <cjwatson> thanks
[10:37] <joekluse> hello?
[10:38] <joekluse> Is this a good place to ask about video drivers?
[10:38] <doko> cjwatson: infinity won't have an excuse after this session anymore
[10:39] <joaopinto> joekluse, if it's a support question, the proper channel is #ubuntu
[10:39] <joekluse> thanks
[11:21] <slangasek> hmm, why does "conffile move recipe" not give any useful google results
[11:23] <infinity> slangasek: Result 1 of 1: steal from another package.
[11:24] <slangasek> infinity: which package? :)
[11:24] <infinity> slangasek: initramfs-tools might be okay.
[11:25] <infinity> slangasek: (Moved stuff from /etc/mkinitramfs to /etc/initramfs-tools)
[11:25] <seb128> slangasek: http://www.dpkg.org/dpkg/ConffileHandling
[11:25] <slangasek> infinity: given that I don't see the handling being done in the preinst, I'd go with 'no'
[11:25] <infinity> slangasek: I make no guarantees that it's correct, but I don't recall any horrible critical bugs being filed.
[11:25] <slangasek> seb128: does dpkg.org exist again?
[11:25] <seb128> slangasek: works here
[11:25] <infinity> slangasek: I see mangling in the preinst...
[11:25] <slangasek> ah, cool
[11:25] <infinity> initramfs-tools.preinst:		if [ -d /etc/mkinitramfs ]; then
[11:25] <infinity>  ....
[11:26] <slangasek> infinity: mm - but no 'mv', so that's not what I would expect for a conffile handler
[11:27] <infinity> slangasek: We move the directory, rather than the file, but after verifying files and avoiding spurious conffile prompts.
[11:27] <slangasek> anyway, the dpkg.org one looks right :)
[11:27] <slangasek> also, my use case seems to pathologically not be a conffile
[11:27] <slangasek> so nevermind
[11:27] <infinity> \o/
[11:29]  * hyperair pokes dtchen 
[11:29] <hyperair> dtchen: could you do something about alsa-base's preinst script?
[11:29] <hyperair> ah wait
[11:29] <hyperair> nevermind
[11:29] <hyperair> looks like it's done
[11:30]  * hyperair whacks his outdated mirror
[11:35] <TheMuso> hyperair: a fix was uploaded an hour or so ago
[11:35] <TheMuso> hyperair: ah you found it, ok then.
[11:43] <slangasek> the irda-utils maintainer scripts are sapping my will to live
[12:16] <Kano> hi, does anybody like to package httpfs to allow network booting from http server
[12:17] <Kano> i already tested it, it boots even via internet
[13:39] <directhex> sigh. okay, who do i poke to access something on the ubuntu bit of google docs?
[13:39] <directhex> if i click login, it forces "@ubuntu.com"
[13:40] <Laney> sekkrit docs?
[13:42] <hyperair> directhex: but you're a motu, don't you have @ubuntu.com?
[13:43] <directhex> hyperair, it doesn't openid it, i don't have anything googly with @ubuntu.com
[13:44] <hyperair> launchpad?
[14:01] <thiebaude1> hi folks
[14:11] <dtchen> hyperair: should be fixed
[14:11] <hyperair> dtchen: yes, i realized.
[14:12] <hyperair> i'll just wait for the mirror here to update
[14:16] <ogra> slangasek, poke
[14:49] <directhex> hyperair, google docs does not authenticate using launchpad. it needs a google account with the appropriate email address/j #uds-desktop
[14:49] <directhex> gah
[14:49] <hyperair> heh
[16:12] <calc> doko: ping
[18:53] <pedahzur> Today, after resuming from a hibernate (Jaunty) I didn't have my usb devices. Upon plugging USB devices, syslog shows: vmap allocation failed: use vmalloc=<size> to increase size.  This is running the kernel in -proposed, 2.6.28-12-generic #43-Ubuntu.  The only bug I could find referencing that message had to do with ath5, so I take it this is not a known issue?
[18:56] <pedahzur> Found one post related to Jaunty, but not having to do with USB: http://blog.unitedheroes.net/archives/p/3588/got-my-nvidia-card-working-under-ubuntu/
[19:04] <pedahzur> bug filed
[19:28] <LordMetroid> Yes, sometimes the external USB HDD doesn't mount on startup...
[19:28] <LordMetroid> Easily fixed by cutting power to it and reinsterting it. Annoying though
[19:49] <LaserJock> is there any policy about using PPAs for -proposed testing?
[19:49] <hyperair> never heard of any such policy
[19:54] <LaserJock> hmm, I've some SRUs I'd like to push through but I'm not sure if I can get testers to use -proposed
[20:47] <tyvek> hey, i just upgraded to jaunty. i have a dm-crypt/luks drive on external media that gets prompted for unlocking at boot which is good, but i noticed that the boot console (ctrl-alt-f8) is echoing my password
[20:47] <tyvek> i've tried googling to see if this is a known bug, but i cant find anything
[20:48] <geofft> sounds tangentially related to bug #104602
[20:49] <tyvek> yeah, it's not getting saved anywhere, but it is momentarily exposed on the boot console
[20:51] <geofft> the bug basically being that something odd happens to stdin/stdout of things sufficiently early in the boot process
[20:51] <tyvek> #288408 looks similar
[20:51] <geofft> and therefor stty -echo or whatever doesn't work.
[20:51] <tyvek> is there a known workaround?
[20:53] <tyvek> or am i just going to have to mount these post-boot for a while?
[20:55] <Justin10ec> Hi there, this is the developer channel, right?
[20:56] <hyperair> for ubuntu development, yes
[20:57] <Justin10ec> Alright, I have an idea for ubuntu that may help in the development project but I first need to know something. Is there a feedback system in place for betas/alphas? If it's just on IRC and Forums, I have a great idea.
[21:00] <tyvek> geofft: thx for the help
[21:01] <Justin10ec> Well, I think a lot of Ubuntu users come from Windows, right?
[21:01] <Justin10ec> Those users, and apple users alike are used to sending support ticket type things.
[21:01] <Justin10ec> If we had an offical form for them to fill out, we may get more information. Most likey, people in general are not familiar with IRC or forums?
[21:01] <Justin10ec> If anyone likes the idea, I'd be more than excited to help with it?
[21:02] <Laney> are people coming straight from windows the best people to be running alphas and betas?
[21:03] <Justin10ec> No, and it wouldn't have to just be for the betas, just for general suggestions / questions?
[21:03] <Laney> we have lots of support avenues already
[21:03] <Laney> perhaps you would want to make a better interface to one of those?
[21:04] <Justin10ec> Could you direct me to one of these? I'd like to see what could be improved?
[21:04] <geofft> Justin10ec: there's Launchpad, and some interface for questions as opposed to bugs
[21:05] <Justin10ec> I totally forgot about Launchpad!
[21:05] <Laney> Launchpad Answers, forums, Brainstorm (for suggestions), IRC, ubuntu-users mailing list
[21:06] <Justin10ec> Other than helping with problems with software and hardware, what could I do to help Ubuntu? I'm great with software, yes, but I much rather enjoy other things like forum management or something like that.
[21:08] <Laney> http://www.ubuntu.com/community/
[21:08] <Laney> see what takes your fancy
[21:10] <Justin10ec> Documentation Team... Would this include rewritting things so that they make better since? Proofreading, grammar, spelling, etc?
[21:10] <Justin10ec> sense*
[21:10] <Laney> I guess so
[21:10] <Laney> they probably have an IRC channel
[21:10] <Pici> #ubuntu-doc
[21:12] <Justin10ec> Thanks :)
[22:14] <NCommander> calc, ping, where is this KDE4 patch for OOo
[22:14] <Riddell> NCommander: it's in the source package (which is a tar within a tar or something)
[22:14] <Riddell> NCommander: shtylman is looking at it too
[22:15] <NCommander> Ah
[22:16] <NCommander> Riddell, I'd like to do something to help improve KDE this cycle :-/
[22:17] <calc> NCommander: look in the source
[22:17] <Riddell> NCommander: he may well not succeed, it's an elite task
[22:17] <calc> NCommander: specifically under
[22:17] <Riddell> NCommander: KDM guest session patch! :)
[22:18] <calc> NCommander: ooo-build/patches/ooo300/apply (there is several KDE 4 patches in a KDE 4 target)
[22:18] <calc> NCommander: its currently not set to be used but the patches are there
[22:29] <TheMuso> dtchen: your alsa-driver changes uploaded.
[22:36] <cellofellow> quick Q, not sure if it's the right place but figured I'd try. How do I enable the Bazaar Nautilus plugin? I installed bzr-gtk and nautilus-python, but nothing.
[22:39]  * calc thinks the alsa guys broke it on purpose because karmic was too stable ;-)
[22:41] <ScottK> cellofellow: #ubuntu for support or maybe #bzr.
[22:45] <cellofellow> ScottK: yeah, just found #bzr, thanks
[22:59]  * calc hates Sun
[22:59] <calc> closed bug won't fix for conflicting shortcuts with gtk
[23:00]  * calc will be glad once OOo is wringed from their control and is taken over by sane community people
[23:03] <directhex> calc, careful, that kind of talk gets you tarred & feathered by boycottnovell
[23:03] <calc> hehe
[23:04]  * calc should keep a list of braindead bug closings for the next time Sun asks me what they should be doing to help out Ubuntu
[23:04] <calc> they basically told me to fork OOo to make it work correctly, yet also want me to run vanilla OOo in Ubuntu
[23:04] <calc> they are insane
[23:06] <directhex> evand1, non-a11y banshee widget 1 of 5 is now patched (but untested) by upstream
[23:06] <ajmitch> directhex: but boycottnovell always have responsible, accurate reporting
[23:06] <directhex> ajmitch, and soft, soft t-shirts
[23:09] <calc> my anti-redhat shirt violates the CoC so i can't wear it :\
[23:10] <ajmitch> that's hardly fun
[23:27] <evand1> directhex: AWESOME!
[23:30] <ion_> calc: :-D
[23:35] <Viper550> whoa whoa whoa...no english language support.
[23:52] <Viper550> soren, kernel mode switching