[01:07] <lex79> launchpad bug 375631
[02:13] <Hobbsee> nixternal: hrm?
[02:14] <Daskreech> Heehee
[02:16] <Hobbsee> nixternal: yeah, there were multiple bits in it that were quite illuming, wasn't there?
[02:36] <nixternal> gnomevfs -> KDE? KIO I am guessing...never messed with it really, except with KHelpCenter and help:/
[02:37] <Daskreech> Somewhat
[02:37] <Daskreech> In my experience it's somewhat like it
[02:38] <Daskreech> though since no dialogs allow entry of it I'm not sure why it's that great
[02:39] <nixternal> I will have to read up on gnomevfs and see how I can port that code
[02:42] <Daskreech> port?
[02:42] <Daskreech> huh?
[02:54] <jjesse> ?
[02:54] <Daskreech> Yeah
[02:54] <Daskreech> this
[03:44] <JontheEchidna> lulz: bug 380738
[03:46] <JontheEchidna> I feel sorta bad for the real guy...
[03:52] <Daskreech> That's a serious Bug?
[03:52] <Daskreech> posted against the software modules ?
[03:52] <Hobbsee> oh, ffs
[03:52] <Hobbsee> Unfortunately, I have found out the hard way that the magnetic field produced by strong magnets is able to wipe hard disks clean of all data. Following the advice of another computer user on an online forum, I tried it, and it turned out that he was in fact correct. In this experience, I have lost thousands of precious family pictures and other very important personal data.
[03:53] <Hobbsee> so, someone heard that they might get their hard disks wiped, if they did this
[03:53] <Hobbsee> that's fine.  so did htey backup, knowing that they might lose their very important data?
[03:54] <Hobbsee> oh dear
[03:54] <Hobbsee> the next paragraph is even better
[03:54] <Hobbsee> so ubuntu should supply hard drives that don't use magnetics, for their machines?
[03:55]  * JontheEchidna is reporting it to #launchpad and the launchpad answers tracker
[03:55] <Hobbsee> no one will be there
[03:56] <JontheEchidna> now he's assigning random people to unused upstream bug watches :/
[03:56] <Hobbsee> that wouldn't surprise me
[03:57] <JontheEchidna> Changed in suse:
[03:57] <JontheEchidna> assignee: 	nobody → steve ballmer (m-noroozi)
[03:57] <JontheEchidna> lol @ steve ballmer though
[03:58] <JontheEchidna> anyway, I think that hard drives do have a small degree of magnetic protection built in
[03:58] <Hobbsee> oh dear, even mark's subscribed
[03:58] <JontheEchidna> sticking a small fridge magnet to your computer's case shouldn't hurt it, though I personally wouldn't do it...
[03:59] <JontheEchidna> powerful electromagnet to the hard drive would probably fry it, but that'd be intentional
[04:05] <nellery> grandmother superior?
[04:05] <JontheEchidna> I lol'd
[04:07] <nellery> ehh he subscribed sabdfl
[04:07] <nellery> oh and Steve Jobs!
[04:09] <Daskreech> and $DEITY ?
[04:10] <JontheEchidna> heh
[04:10] <JontheEchidna> 'nite all
[04:17] <nellery> Oh wow he's good... Charles Darwin is assigned to Evolution
[05:42] <iivv> last text received: mekshurudocozuloozdisckstoomanytyms&udontwanttostndnlynFri.
[05:43] <iivv> wrong channel
[05:43] <iivv> scratch that from the record
[07:00] <Daskreech> Where can I follow what's going on at UDS?
[07:05] <nixternal> Daskreech: summit.ubuntu.com
[07:05] <Daskreech> Thanks
[07:15] <nixternal> yikes, using vbox for pxe/kickstart/fai is not the best, but it works, and helps to automating iso testing w/o generating remastered isos with custom preseeds for each test case
[07:15] <nixternal> using fedora and cobbler though :/
[07:16] <nixternal> now that I have that figured out, it should be easy to create the same thing with a very minimal ubuntu install, then save the vm img, and publish it for all to use
[07:17] <nixternal> have to admit, this is where vmware rocked...you could feed it kickstart scripts for isos
[07:22] <\sh> nixternal: FAI rocks even with vmware (and its big brother esx) when you want to test automatic installation of special server layouts...for simple tasks without thinking preseed is also ok..but kickstart for debian with preseed stuff insight was my personal hell...
[07:23] <\sh> s/insight/inside/
[07:23] <nixternal> ya, same here
[07:23] <nixternal> not everyone here has access to ESX, which is the GOD of all VMs :)
[07:23] <nixternal> I see than I can do Xen/Kickstart, wonder about Xen/FAI
[07:23] <\sh> nixternal: actually it's a beast with ESX == 666 ;)
[07:25] <\sh> nixternal: FAI + Xen is the unltimate gogogo we used it in 2007 during the FAI development sprint one guy was using a test server from my former employer to show how easy that is to deploy a dom0 and then all the xen instances via fai...rocking hard
[07:25] <nixternal> right, was looking at domU
[07:25] <nixternal> might just go that way, and Xen works if your sys has 0 hardware support right?
[07:25] <nixternal> just not the best
[07:26] <\sh> but FAI is nothing for "just install and fire" it's more "plan in the first place, then do"
[07:26] <nixternal> right, but it is still easy to do for automating iso testing
[07:26] <\sh> yep :)
[07:26] <nixternal> at least to make sure that it installs...regression testing will still have to be done manually of course
[07:26] <Daskreech> nixternal: Know if there are Gobby sessions going on?
[07:27] <nixternal> Daskreech: there are, gobby.ubuntu.com
[07:27] <Daskreech>  Good thing I'm on Gnome so installing it won't annoy me :)
[07:27] <Daskreech> Anyone tried kobby?
[07:27] <nixternal> i did yesterday, didn't work for me
[07:28] <Daskreech> You pulled the lib infinity ?
[07:28] <nixternal> yup
[07:28] <Daskreech> didn't have any problems building that?
[07:29] <nixternal> none at all
[07:29] <nixternal> went smooth
[07:29] <Daskreech> Neat :)
[07:29] <nixternal> I had an issue with the ubuntu server with kobby saying that it wasn't xmpp or something
[07:29] <nixternal> would like to see that as a plugin for kate
[07:29] <Daskreech> Well they are probably using libobby
[07:30] <Daskreech> Kobby is libinifinote
[07:30] <nixternal> ahhh
[07:30] <Daskreech> which is next generation
[07:30] <nixternal> gotcha
[07:30] <nixternal> does gobby have support for that yet?
[07:30] <Daskreech> Nope
[07:30] <nixternal> well that is silly
[07:31] <Daskreech> It will
[07:31] <Daskreech> pretty soon
[07:31] <nixternal> groovy
[07:31] <nixternal> man, I wonder if I will be able to make it for one session today...I am super tired
[07:31] <nixternal> went to bed at 5am yesterday, woke up 2 hours later
[07:31] <\sh> nixternal: are you not in spain?
[07:32] <nixternal> \sh: nope, they don't love me there :p
[07:32] <nixternal> wasn't able to go this round, I am out of a job right now, and without money, it wouldn't have been possible
[07:32] <\sh> nixternal: oh shit...anything on the radar job wise or plan to go the freelancer way?
[07:33] <nixternal> so, if you know someone looking for a linux dev, with experience in the cloud storage arena and of course the desktop market, let me know :)
[07:33] <nixternal> nothing on the radar, jobs around here are pretty bad
[07:33] <nixternal> how I got into cloud storage I will never know
[07:34] <nixternal> but the one thing I do know about cloud storage, Amazon, EMC, and others are doing it all wrong :)
[07:34] <Daskreech> They should be using Cirrus ?
[07:34] <Daskreech> Why is there so much jaunty stuff at the Summit ?
[07:34] <nixternal> Cleversafe is doing it right, they just don't know how to make a damn sale yet...though I hate admitting that since they let me go
[07:34] <nixternal> Daskreech: they didn't clear the last UDS docs off of gobby
[07:34] <Daskreech> Hire yourself to them as a consultant
[07:34] <\sh> nixternal: canonical doesn't hire someone to work on ubuntu one? ;) well...I had some job offers from headhunters during the last weeks...but only .de
[07:34] <Daskreech> Ah
[07:35] <nixternal> Daskreech: to who?
[07:35] <Daskreech> the don't know how to sell guys
[07:35] <nixternal> ya, the headhunters here are calling me about .NET crap...nowhere on my resume will you find .NET
[07:35] <nixternal> I guess it is a stupid enough language anyone can do it :p
[07:35] <Sput> for small values of "can" and "do"
[07:36] <nixternal> hehe
[07:36] <\sh> nixternal: hahaha...I have this crap with "SAP Consulting" I never had SAP on my CV ... the only contact with SAP was during the 90ties when the first SAP linux server were tested...and I installed one
[07:36] <nixternal> I will admit though, I did like my .NET courses at the uni...only because the instructor was amazing, otherwise I hated the language
[07:36] <nixternal> I did some SAP/ERP stuff for Rockwell Automations when I first got out of the military
[07:37] <nixternal> that stuff sucks hardcore
[07:37] <nixternal> I would rather go back to programming ladder logic for PLCs or PICs
[07:38] <Daskreech> Why did you hate  .NET ?
[07:38] <Daskreech> and what's with two copies of karmic QA for Kubuntu on the server ?
[07:38] <\sh> nixternal: offer "Innovative Turtle Programming Experience"...e.g. developing a graphic turtle cloud engine...IMHO that would give a good "WTF?" to some people reading your resume ,-)
[07:39] <nixternal> Daskreech: it reminded me of the old J++, then the more I looked at it, I got the icky feeling of a Java and Visual Basic love child
[07:39] <nixternal> I felt dirty after using it
[07:39] <Daskreech> Well yeah :)
[07:39] <nixternal> plus I wasn't planning on doing enterprise ecommerce development anyways
[07:40] <nixternal> well, if I don't have a job within the next month and few days, I was approved to rejoin the military, so that is probably what I will do
[07:40] <nixternal> go in, do probably 10, get a full retirement, and enjoy life
[07:42] <\sh> nixternal: well, opensource can sometimes be a fearful experience, but it's not deadly as doing a gun job ... or do you plan to do infrastructure work for the army?
[07:42] <nixternal> navy, I am a gunner's mate in the navy :)
[07:42] <nixternal> so it would be gun captain or something else
[07:43] <nixternal> I am senior enlisted, so I will have a cake job
[07:45] <\sh> now I ask myself what a cake job in the army/navy is...you don't mean something like getting fat and becoming a consultant in war theory for the white house...(now I'm joking :))
[07:46] <nixternal> haha, actually yes
[07:46] <\sh> ANGST!
[07:47] <nixternal> damn americans and their war!
[07:48] <nixternal> i am actually hoping I get to go back to Iraq and work on fixing the infrastructure...last time I went I had fun, though it was quite scary a lot of the times
[07:48] <\sh> nixternal: germans are not better these days, but we don't call it "War" we call it "Mission of Piece" (actually it's the same...people are getting hurd)
[07:48] <\sh> s/piece/peace/
[07:49] <nixternal> right
[07:49] <\sh> but now we are getting OT...and we need to be PC ;)
[07:49] <nixternal> hehehe
[07:49] <nixternal> \sh: of all the people to be PC, it isn't you or I :p
[07:50] <nixternal> whoever just walked into the community room sounds hung over
[07:50] <\sh> nixternal: you know what...enter the navy, go and get them that they transfer you to .de and you'll get a job here...
[07:50] <nixternal> ya, that would totally rock
[07:50] <nixternal> Germany, Spain, or Greece is where I want to live, besides Mexico of course
[07:56] <\sh> let's see what this evening will give us here @company...looks like that we will be aquired by another company...hopefully not all rumours are correct ... eventually yes, and then I really have a personal problem
[07:57] <Daskreech> better yet go to Iraq and establish FOSS all over the place and have America relying on them for tech infrastructure in 10 years
[07:57] <nixternal> they actually have quite a bit of FOSS over there already
[07:57] <nixternal> it was pretty cool
[07:57] <Daskreech> Established ?
[07:57] <nixternal> Iraq is where I found out about Ubuntu iirc
[07:57] <nixternal> they have a bunch of little hacker youngsters there
[07:58] <nixternal> I got to protect their internet cafe on day and went in and was like "whoa, check them out"
[07:58] <nixternal> s/on/one/
[07:58] <Daskreech> choqok is written in Iran isn't it?
[07:58] <nixternal> i have no idea
[07:59] <Daskreech> Think it is. But yeah That would be great
[07:59] <\sh> hmm...I should block time to test nexenta
[07:59] <Daskreech> Whooo someone joined the Gobby server!
[08:00] <Daskreech> I really need to think out channels of communication for kobby and talk it over with Greg
[08:01] <Daskreech> = Main Inclusion Reports =
[08:01] <Daskreech>  * "We're getting rid of main"?
[08:01] <Daskreech> Reeeeeeally?
[08:01] <nixternal> hehe
[08:03] <\sh> if the system for having package based upload rights is in place then this would be a good idea...but I don't like the idea that anyone without any real clue of e.g. the kernel can upload the kernel...that would be a loss of trust
[08:04] <nixternal> that won't happen
[08:04] <Daskreech> Wow Did they just wake up or something
[08:04] <Daskreech> people are flooding in
[08:04] <nixternal> the kernel team will be in charge of who gets to upload to it
[08:04] <nixternal> just like kubuntu would control rights to kde packages and what not
[08:05] <Daskreech> What's UNR ?
[08:05] <Daskreech> Oh never mind
[08:07] <yuriy> I think I just came to the metadata discussion so I can sit here and cringe
[08:12] <Riddell> yuriy: what's it about?
[08:13] <yuriy> storing basic metadata about media files, and *maybe* tracking movement of the files
[08:13] <yuriy> very rudimentary version of nepomuk
[08:13] <Daskreech> yuriy: anyone brought up Nepomuk?
[08:14] <Daskreech> or at least Zeitgeist?
[08:14] <yuriy> nope not yet, I don't really know how to bring it up
[08:16] <Daskreech> Well Nepomuk's ontology was just made the default for Freedesktop standards if I recall
[08:16] <Daskreech> That might be a step in
[08:17] <Riddell> "LETS GO PENS!"  seele Pens?
[08:18] <rgreening> Riddell: rm 8 is busted again..
[08:18] <yuriy> Daskreech: zeitgeist is mentioned on the spec
[08:18] <Daskreech> yuriy: Uh huh
[08:18] <Daskreech> Which has had a year less development and has no roadmap
[08:19] <yuriy> i guess the idea is a little different: https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-karmic-content-library
[08:19] <rgreening> Rm 8 is cursed :P
[08:19] <yuriy> rgreening: you locked yourself in?
[08:20] <Riddell> rgreening: do we need to come and rescue you?
[08:20] <rgreening> no, lock/handle is busted :)
[08:20] <rgreening> no, we got rescued...
[08:20] <rgreening> ty
[08:20] <rgreening> hehe
[08:21] <Daskreech> http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/im_an_idiot.png
[08:22] <yuriy> Daskreech: the response is: "RDF is just too hard for developers"
[08:22] <Daskreech> wait no mouseover
[08:22] <Daskreech> http://xkcd.com/530/
[08:22] <Daskreech> yuriy: Fair enough
[08:28] <Daskreech> Honestly I think that KDE not quite getting it in near 2 years doesn't make it likely that Canonical will get it in 6 months
[08:28] <Daskreech>  granted they are not going to get Zeitgiest in that time either
[08:28] <Daskreech> They still haven't even gotten gnomevfs
[08:28] <Daskreech> So step at a time
[08:31] <Daskreech> Try for something realistic
[08:31]  * Daskreech wnces
[08:32] <Daskreech> Anyone on the gobby server?
[08:34] <rgreening> apachelogger: project neon... we should discuss how to get something like this as PPA packages in LP...
[08:36] <Daskreech> rgreening: Working on KDE4 OO.o goodness?
[08:44] <Riddell> rgreening: surely neon is in a PPA
[08:45] <apachelogger> rgreening: what Riddell said :P
[08:46] <Riddell> apachelogger: did you get the space you needed?
[08:46] <Daskreech> Riddell: Why two Kubuntu-karmic-qa docs ?
[08:47] <Riddell> Daskreech: lack of communication.  lack of intelligence in gobby.
[08:47] <apachelogger> Riddell: not yet, though the PPA size decreased a lot for some reason
[08:47] <Riddell> apachelogger: what's the question no?
[08:48] <apachelogger> Riddell: pardon?
[08:48] <Riddell> apachelogger: the number for the LP answers asking for more space
[08:49] <apachelogger> Riddell: 72083
[08:50] <apachelogger> uh, I broke kde-nightly-kdesupport :S
[08:50] <nixternal> yay for you!
[08:51] <apachelogger> oh
[08:51] <apachelogger> apparently it was bad copy n paste
[08:51] <apachelogger> the sed expression is all wrong :D
[08:59] <nixternal> no IRC in Karmic!
[08:59] <nixternal> get closer to the mic so I can hear you gorgeous people
[08:59] <nixternal> Irssi!
[08:59] <nixternal> ship Irssi by default
[09:00] <apachelogger> nixternal: room?
[09:01] <nixternal> 5
[09:03] <DreadKnight> heya, i'm on karmic koala... and i tried bubblemon plasmoid... and now it appears at every login.. and i delete it each time..
[09:04] <nixternal> that is a feature...we really want you to use bubblemon ;p
[09:04] <apachelogger> lol
[09:04] <DreadKnight> bubblemon is krappy atm
[09:04] <nixternal> i had that silly rss feed thing doing it as well...went into the configs and ripped itout
[09:05] <DreadKnight> settings are fugly and when on panel at least, the text displayed when hovering is too small and unreadable
[09:06] <DreadKnight> nixternal: that sounds like a plan, but not sure what i would need to remove
[09:06] <nixternal> get rid of them both, ship Irssi!
[09:06] <apachelogger> nah
[09:06] <apachelogger> mirc
[09:06] <nixternal> DreadKnight: ~/.kde/share/config and grep for bubblemon
[09:06] <apachelogger> mirc!!!!
[09:06] <DreadKnight> >_<
[09:06] <DreadKnight> nixternal: thanks will try :D
[09:06] <nixternal> it is in one of the plasma*rc files
[09:06] <nixternal> that will get fixed in karmic eventually
[09:06] <DreadKnight> mhm
[09:07] <apachelogger> Riddell: thx, project-neon now got more space :D
[09:07] <Riddell> yay
[09:07] <apachelogger> now I just need to fix kdesupport again ;-)
[09:08] <apachelogger> Konversation can have that list as well!
[09:08] <nixternal> rgreening: IRSSI!!!! come on already
[09:08] <nixternal> you can screen irssi, even more efficient :p
[09:09] <nixternal> quit muting the audio damnit, I am trying to listen
[09:09] <apachelogger> :D
[09:10]  * nixternal wonders if there is a distro that ships irssi by default
[09:10] <apachelogger> grml might
[09:10] <nixternal> ok, time to grab some ice and go to bed...g'nite
[09:11] <apachelogger> nini nixternal
[09:18] <Daskreech> wait I can hear? Where can I listen in?
[09:18] <apachelogger> icecast.ubuntu.co
[09:18] <apachelogger> m
[09:18] <apachelogger> uh, I think I fixed kdesupport
[09:19] <apachelogger> and now I also know why I used checkOutEval instead of checkOut in earlier magic
[09:23] <Daskreech> I think the feedback is important to the quassel project
[09:23] <rgreening> I agree
[09:23] <Daskreech> if we can help with a channel for feedback then defaulting to Konversation isn't that much of an issue
[09:23]  * apachelogger notes that taring up all of kdesupport takes forever
[09:24] <freeflying> do u have any suggestion for ubuntuone's kde support
[09:25] <Daskreech> in terms of?
[09:25] <DreadKnight> dropbox lacks kde integration as well >_<
[09:26] <Daskreech> Isn't that more that Gnome did dropbox integration ?
[09:26] <DreadKnight> would have been better if ubuntuone was named something like 'tree roots'
[09:26] <Daskreech> Rather than the other way ?
[09:26] <DreadKnight> :)
[09:26] <ScottK> The name issue has been done to death, so there's really no point in continuing to beat the dead horse.
[09:26] <DreadKnight> yeah, i see where you're going with that.... "optimism"
[09:26] <DreadKnight> i know it was, seen in on blogosphere
[09:27] <DreadKnight> you have ubuntu 9.10 the distro ... then you have ubuntu 1, the dropbox clone...
[09:27] <DreadKnight> it all makes sense.
[09:27] <DreadKnight> and using 'ubuntuone' in another distro = not cool... name fanaticism
[09:28] <DreadKnight> oh well, nvm about it.
[09:28] <apachelogger> ubuntu just means way too many things :P
[09:28] <DreadKnight> yeah
[09:28] <Daskreech> What's going on with KDE in Ubuntuone ?
[09:29] <DreadKnight> ubuntuone suggests no clients for windows or mac = not cool
[09:29] <freeflying> ssem no support, they think akonadi is quite complicated compare with gnome
[09:29] <DreadKnight> it's like shooting yourself in the leg
[09:30] <Daskreech> akonadi is complicated?
[09:30] <Daskreech> have they even looked at it?
[09:31] <apachelogger> hm
[09:31] <apachelogger> what does ubuntuone have to do with akonadi?
[09:31]  * DreadKnight loves that kubuntu has kde without many changes to it, annoying branding, useless applications or yast
[09:31] <freeflying> I think ubuntuone is a filesystem stuff, so it should can be implemented with kio
[09:31] <apachelogger> righto
[09:31] <freeflying> apachelogger: probably those things need to be sycned
[09:31] <DreadKnight> freeflying: same conclussion reached the people from dropbox community regarding dropbox implementation into kde
[09:32] <apachelogger> freeflying: didn't see that happen
[09:32] <freeflying> apachelogger: its on the roadmap :)
[09:32] <apachelogger> well
[09:32] <apachelogger> as it is akonadi is implemented into kaddressbook
[09:32] <apachelogger> and very unlikely to end up for stuff like mail before 4.3
[09:33] <DreadKnight> AIR there from GHNS doesn't installs for me ...
[09:33] <apachelogger> so, since that stuff is on their roeadmap and akonadi is not rolled out across all of kdepim yet, it would seem that this is a rather lame excuse for not having a KDE client :P
[09:33] <apachelogger> anyway, claiming that akonadi si complicated to whatever they want to support in gnome is simply weird
[09:34] <DreadKnight> i'm wondering... does kde have any applications using mono?
[09:34] <apachelogger> didn't see one yet
[09:34] <freeflying> apachelogger: as u know gnome guys always think kde is too complicated
[09:35] <apachelogger> I didn't know, and I don't think that is a general property of gnome guys
[09:35] <apachelogger> more like ubuntu guys :P
[09:36] <apachelogger> markey: new moby album in june it seems
[09:36] <freeflying> apachelogger: then u're lucky, all those guys I met in china they all think kde is complicated
[09:36] <freeflying> :)
[09:36] <DreadKnight> kde has bad usability in many places :P
[09:36] <apachelogger> disco lies I say
[09:36] <freeflying> DreadKnight: so dose gnome
[09:36] <apachelogger> kubotu: np
[09:36] <kubotu> apachelogger listened to "Junge Römer (live @Radiokulturhaus)" by Garish 19 hours ago; see http://www.last.fm/user/apachelogger for more
[09:36] <DreadKnight> gnome is nicer, more polished
[09:36] <apachelogger> hm
[09:37] <apachelogger> you know
[09:37] <apachelogger> half the time my last.fm stuff is broken
[09:37] <DreadKnight> and oxygen kinda scares a lot of people i've seen
[09:37] <apachelogger> I probably should use something else
[09:38] <DreadKnight> does anyone manage to install AIR plasma theme from GHNS in karmic?
[09:38] <apachelogger> it is on kde-look?
[09:38] <DreadKnight> yes
[09:38] <maco> DreadKnight, what's wrong with oxygen. i think it looks rather nice...
[09:38] <maco> though i still quite like Clearlooks
[09:38] <apachelogger> well
[09:39] <apachelogger> non-official KDE package that is
[09:39] <apachelogger> no wonder it is not working
[09:39] <apachelogger> might be a trojan horse :P
[09:39] <DreadKnight> clearlooks is nice
[09:39] <rgreening> Clearlookis is icon incomplete .. no?
[09:39] <DreadKnight> one of the most used themes in gnome
[09:40] <maco> DreadKnight, also, have you used kde 4.2? kde 3 was hard for me to use...too many options crammed together. i couldn't process all the information and would run back to gnome. kde 4.2 seems to have fixed that and now arranges settings in sense-making ways without brain overlad
[09:40] <maco> *overload
[09:40] <DreadKnight> maco: oxygen window decorations and buttons are sort of dull and flat
[09:40] <DreadKnight> i'm using kde since 3.5 or something
[09:40] <maco> ...i like flat
[09:40] <maco> i hated kde 3's bubblegum look
[09:40] <DreadKnight> and i'm using gnome as well, since it's more polished/usable
[09:40] <maco> like i said, i like clearlooks. it also is flat
[09:41] <DreadKnight> i use that clearlooks that has a bit of gloss on window decoration, forgot name
[09:41]  * apachelogger notes that kdesupport is now taring for 20 minutes -.-
[09:41] <apachelogger> darn you oxygen, darn you!
[09:42] <maco> no idea on window decorations though...i dont have any with the window manager i use
[09:42] <DreadKnight> maco: yeah, i don't like plastik style that much as well, took me a while to get use with the fugly kde looks, but i had no choice... my hdd was broken and i was left without any ubuntu live cds... only have kubuntu live cd's at home (local distributor)
[09:42] <Daskreech> http://2tu.us/ftq
[09:42] <DreadKnight> maco: what window manager is that? O_o
[09:42] <maco> xmonad
[09:42] <maco> it's a tiling window manager
[09:42] <DreadKnight> interesting... like in blender 3d i guess
[09:43] <Daskreech> tried mutter?
[09:43] <maco> the wm is much more important than whether its GNOME or KDE to me
[09:43] <DreadKnight> i think window decorations should be deprecated long time ago, fucking kill the minimize/maximize/close buttons concept already >_<
[09:44] <DreadKnight> i so displike gnome3/-shell
[09:44] <maco> GNOME / KDE only determines which panel is displaying my clock & workspaces and which menu i see
[09:44] <DreadKnight> dislike*
[09:44] <apachelogger> kubotu: np
[09:44] <kubotu> apachelogger is listening to "Disco Lies (Freemasons Club Mix)" by Moby; see http://www.last.fm/user/apachelogger for more
[09:45] <ryanakca-quassel> rgreening: Did you get my new debdiff?
[09:47] <freeflying> well, ubuntuone will provide a backend for evolution
[09:47] <DreadKnight> can anyone place and AIR on kde-look so it will work with karmic / kde 4.3 ? :\
[09:48] <DreadKnight> place AIR *
[09:48] <apachelogger> Daskreech: uh, nice read :D
[09:48] <apachelogger> freeflying: the evoluation data server I suppose?
[09:48] <freeflying> apachelogger: should be
[09:48]  * apachelogger notes that to his knowledge evolution and akonadi are much alike in terms of access and stuff
[09:48] <Mamarok> maco: just added some stuff to the gobby doc
[09:49] <apachelogger> akonadi is just more powerful and all
[09:49] <freeflying> apachelogger: akonadi depends on mysql heavily
[09:49] <apachelogger> so?
[09:49] <apachelogger> that doesn't matter at all for ubuntuone
[09:50] <apachelogger> the client would be talking to akonadi, not mysql
[09:50] <freeflying> apachelogger: the point is no one know akonadi well in ubuntuone team, I soppose
[09:51] <apachelogger> so someone gotta dive into it :P
[09:51] <apachelogger> if people would always stick with the stuff they know, the word inovation would be not existing
[09:52] <freeflying> :)
[09:52] <freeflying> apachelogger: totally agree with u
[09:54] <Riddell> apachelogger: will you be around for translations session at midday?
[09:54] <Riddell> I'd expect you have things to say on the topic
[09:56] <freeflying> Riddell: translation on lp?
[09:56] <Riddell> yes
[09:57] <maco> Mamarok, i added a comment under one of yours
[09:59]  * apachelogger checks schedule
[09:59] <Mamarok> maco: thx :)
[09:59] <maco> did it again :P
[10:00] <apachelogger> meh
[10:00] <Mamarok> maco: I never liked Quassel, it's just so complicated, and hsa hardly grown better in the last months
[10:00] <Mamarok> has*
[10:00] <apachelogger> Riddell: I actually wanted to go for some sushi around that time ;-)
[10:00] <apachelogger> gotta delay that I suppose
[10:00] <Mamarok> with the end user in mind it's too complicated
[10:01] <maco> i havent really used konversation. looked like it was just xchat-qt though :P
[10:01] <maco> i switched to quassel from irssi for the ipv6 support (irssi falls over 4/5 of the time)
[10:02] <maco> the core/client thing is what's got me staying since someone offered use of their core and i didnt have anywhere to ssh to for irssi usage
[10:03] <Hobbsee> that can be fixed, maco
[10:03] <jussi01> o/
[10:03] <maco> yes, thank you jussi01
[10:04] <jussi01> :)
[10:04] <Mamarok> maco: I use irssi in screen, but we should not forget the usability for non tech users, and those are the majority of our users
[10:05] <maco> Mamarok, i dont think its any harder to use than xchat-gnome...certainly easier than xchat (the normal one) but *plz* get rid of the word "buffer"
[10:05] <jussi01> maco: +1 on that
[10:05] <Mamarok> maco: I don't develop Quassel :)
[10:06] <maco> heh i know
[10:06] <Mamarok> maco: ask SPut, he is the main developer AFAIK
[10:06] <maco> i just meant thats the largest usability thing i can think of: terminology
[10:06] <jussi01> Sput: is a super guy :D
[10:06] <Mamarok> but true, "buffer" is a horrible world, as I said, a nerd tool for nerds, it's simply not noob user friendly
[10:06] <maco> other than that, not configurable toolbar, but sebas says thats fixed with ifdefs upstream so you can compile --enable-kde
[10:07] <maco> it was meant to be a nerd tool for nerds, but they did a lot of work to make it fit kubuntu and seem receptive to more usability fixes
[10:07] <Nightrose> yea imho latest quassel is very user friendly actually
[10:08]  * Mamarok fires up Quassel and gets a look
[10:08] <jussi01> and the devs are very recptive to putting in usability fixes - you just need to tell them what they are...
[10:08]  * Nightrose recommends having a look before judging it ;-)
[10:08] <DreadKnight> i agree
[10:10] <rgreening> ryanakca: yep,. I see it now. ty...
[10:10] <rgreening> ryanakca: hows kobby? :)
[10:10] <Mamarok> Nightrose: the one in KDE 4.3 is ok, surprised at the work done then,kudos!
[10:10]  * Mamarok goes to remove some remarks on gobby
[10:11] <apachelogger> kobby!
[10:11] <apachelogger> rgreening: is ryanakca working on a package?
[10:12] <Mamarok> maco: done :)
[10:12] <rgreening> several apachelogger
[10:13] <apachelogger> rgreening: well, on a package for kobby
[10:13] <rgreening> yep
[10:13] <rgreening> I was, then he said he was, so I defer to him and I'll sponsor the upload.
[10:14] <rgreening> apachelogger: how come u r not here?
[10:14] <rgreening> u should be
[10:14] <rgreening> :)
[10:14] <apachelogger> work
[10:14] <rgreening> bah work :P
[10:14] <apachelogger> I will be 55 hours at work in 6 days starting tomorrow
[10:15] <rgreening> heh
[10:15] <rgreening> ryanakca: ping ping :P
[10:15] <sebas> maco: toolbars aren't fixed upstream
[10:15]  * Riddell backports konversaion to please the soyuz man
[10:15] <sebas> if someone wants to fix it, it'll be #IFDEFfery
[10:16] <ryanakca> rgreening: Comming along, trying to find out all of the B-D, upstream didn't provide a list
[10:16] <rgreening> ah. yeah, I had noticed that too...
[10:17] <rgreening> ok, I'm going to review kdetoys now.
[10:17] <apachelogger> ryanakca: 50 bucks I get a package faster than you :P
[10:18] <rgreening> apachelogger: hmm... I think thats a great challenge
[10:18] <ryanakca> apachelogger: Heh
[10:18] <ryanakca> apachelogger: I own the ITP in debian anyways... but you could try stealing it from me
[10:19] <maco> sebas, oh i thought you said that --enable-kde made kde toolbars
[10:19] <sebas> nope, unfortunately
[10:21] <rgreening> ryanakca: did you get qtscriptgenerator done?
[10:22] <Riddell> rgreening: he came to me saying he was doing it
[10:22] <Riddell> so I assume it's in progress
[10:23] <rgreening> just like koffice2? did that build after so I can mark completge :P
[10:24] <rgreening> Riddell: ^
[10:25] <Riddell> rgreening: yes it did
[10:25] <rgreening> cool. Ill mark uploaded then
[10:27] <ryanakca> rgreening: Hi, any idea about http://paste.ubuntu.com/181887/ ? Googling tells me that it requires /usr/share/perl5/Dpkg/Source/Package/V3/quilt.pm , from dpkg-dev, but I already have it installed.
[10:27] <apachelogger> hm
[10:28] <apachelogger> list-missing hooks sez the karmic libinfinity package is not installing everything
[10:28] <Riddell> ryanakca: are you compiling on karmic or jaunty?
[10:29] <Riddell> it won't compile in jaunty
[10:29] <Riddell> do you have an up to date debhelper and quilt in karmic?
[10:29] <Riddell> oh, you're only sitting over there
[10:29] <ryanakca> Riddell: I'll try running debuild from inside a chroot
[10:31] <Riddell> sebas: grep geolocation kdebase-workspace-4.2.85/plasma/dataengines
[10:31] <Riddell> empty
[10:31] <Riddell> so that explains why it's not in the package
[10:35] <ryanakca> rgreening: building
[10:35] <rgreening> cool
[10:37] <sebas> Riddell: Hm, I wouldn't know why it's missing from the beta, it's definitely in base
[10:37] <sebas> (trunk that is)
[10:39] <rgreening> sebas, Riddell: maybe it couldn't locate itself :)
[10:40] <sebas> :)
[10:40] <Tm_T> Mamarok: you're collecting fanclub in ML I notice, perhaps other admins should make their "we are here too"
[10:42] <Mamarok> Tm_T: :) that would be great, yes :)
[10:42] <Mamarok> jussi01: ^^
[10:42] <Riddell> sebas: is it possible to set up the social applet with no configuration?  I'm thinking from a live CD it would be cool to see users near you with no setup at all
[10:42] <sebas> That already works if you have the dataengine
[10:42] <jussi01> what?
[10:43] <sebas> I can make it switch to that tab immediately when there's nothing config'ed
[10:48] <rgreening> Quintasan: ping
[10:48] <rgreening> are you almost done with kdewebdev
[10:48] <Mamarok> jussi01: some support on the -users ML would be nice :)
[10:49] <Mamarok> as some ar wanting my head it seems, for putting a moderation flag on 2 users...
[10:50] <Riddell> how's this?  https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuKarmicIrc
[10:55] <apachelogger> waaaaaaah
[10:56] <apachelogger> ryanakca, rgreening: kobby ain't seems to be working with gobby.ubuntu.com
[10:56] <ryanakca> Riddell: s/usability nad feature/usability and feature/ ...  Should we mention that if we'd like to use Quassel, but might have to switch if upstream isn't able to take care of the key features we want?
[10:56] <rgreening> apachelogger: duh.. different protocol my friend :P
[10:56] <apachelogger> different?
[10:57] <apachelogger> wth
[10:57]  * apachelogger notes the whole obby concept to be rather crappy
[10:57] <rgreening> gobby uses old one, not new infinity one
[10:57] <apachelogger> man
[10:57] <rgreening> yeah, it wasn't promoted/switched for jaunty
[10:57] <maco> kobby and gobby-0.5 use infinity
[10:57] <rgreening> karmic will use new one
[10:57] <maco> um but gobby.ubuntu.com still uses obby
[10:57] <apachelogger> that is like... uh, ah, quassel ain't connecting to freenode because it only supports IRC 0.5 while freenode uses 0.4 :P
[10:57] <Riddell> ryanakca: can do, please go ahead and edit
[10:58] <maco> so old one should still be avail in karmic so that *next time* we can still use it :P
[10:58] <rgreening> different ver of infinity.. not compatible.
[10:58] <maco> the server is on hardy, i think
[10:58] <apachelogger> rgreening: so, what if someone comes to next UDS with jaunty gobby? :P
[10:58] <maco> or hardy!
[10:58] <apachelogger> true
[10:58] <apachelogger> still LTS
[10:59] <maco> Dell is refusing to ship anything other than hardy (and upgrades are banned!) on their systems in Ireland
[10:59] <ryanakca> apachelogger: I'm waiting for qtscriptgenerator to finish building, *sigh*
[10:59] <rgreening> backports...
[10:59] <Riddell> ScottK: how's the netbook stuff in https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuKarmicPackaging now?
[10:59] <apachelogger> ryanakca: qtscriptgenerator? Oo
[10:59] <\sh> don't use dell then...
[11:00] <apachelogger> maco: looking at jaunty I consider that a good idea actually :P
[11:00] <Tm_T> apachelogger: son...
[11:01] <maco> apachelogger, i'm opposite
[11:01] <maco> jaunty doesnt crash every damn day
[11:01] <maco> actually...rarely crashes if ever
[11:02] <maco> hardy was AWFUL
[11:02] <\sh> maco: on server or desktop? hardy server never failed for us here...well, not using dell that is ;)
[11:02] <maco> desktop
[11:02] <apachelogger> ryanakca: I am just waiting for the testbuilds to finish
[11:02] <apachelogger> otherwise I am done
[11:02] <maco> i'm not using dell eiether
[11:03] <maco> the iwl4965 module sucked horribly in hardy
[11:03] <\sh> maco: well, every release crashed at some time at my place on different hardware platforms..
[11:03] <apachelogger> ryanakca: building in my staging ppa, feel free to use it ;-)
[11:03] <\sh> (desktop that is)
[11:03] <maco> my brother and i had identical laptops, except he used iwl3945 and i used iwl4965
[11:04] <apachelogger> hm
[11:04] <ryanakca> rgreening: built, http://ryanak.ca/~ryan/qtscriptgenerator_0.1.0-3ubuntu1.debdiff
[11:04] <maco> mine crashed daily, his didn't
[11:04] <apachelogger> rgreening, ryanakca: we could launch a kubuntu infinity server :P
[11:04] <maco> for an actual desktop (not laptop), though....hardy's very nicely polished. it's what my mum & brother use
[11:04] <apachelogger> because I'll have a kobby stack in like an hour
[11:05] <apachelogger> maybe earlier depending on how long the ppa queue is
[11:05]  * \sh needs to get his cluebat out and hit clueness into our ESX cluster maintainers...do not migrate vmware machines on a new cluster with an unsupported way...it fails and gives others strange problems like having only 1.7kB IO performance on everything which produces IO load
[11:09] <yuriy> apachelogger: here, listening?
[11:09] <apachelogger> <3 Riddell
[11:09] <apachelogger> yuriy: of course
[11:10] <Artemis_Fowl> anybody can post me his/her *untouched* menu.lst file?
[11:10] <Artemis_Fowl> need to run some tests...
[11:12] <yuriy> apachelogger: input? we don't really know much about translations here...
[11:13] <ryanakca> apachelogger: Feel like getting libqinfinity into Debian?
[11:13] <apachelogger> not me
[11:13] <ryanakca> apachelogger: Then how did you get kobby building?
[11:13] <ryanakca> Oh, you've packaged it, just don't feel like maintaining, nevermind
[11:18] <apachelogger> Riddell: there is no case where the pot generation breaks, is there?
[11:18] <Riddell> apachelogger: I don't know, there's no checking so it's hard to say
[11:18] <Riddell> it has happened, if our package name is different from the upstream .pot
[11:20] <maco> does dragon use phonon or does it go directly to xine?
[11:21] <maco> guys?
[11:22] <yuriy> maco: uses phonon
[11:22] <rgreening> maco: phonon had a xine backend. Dragon should use phonon to access the current backend
[11:22] <rgreening> as all kde4 apps should be doing.
[11:22] <maco> thanks
[11:23] <yuriy> maco: there may be a couple features it's going directly to xine for, I don't remember what right now
[11:23] <maco> like video?
[11:23] <maco> or does phonon handle video?
[11:24] <apachelogger> cross platform!
[11:24] <apachelogger> conversion from .ts to .po(t) is pretty difficult actually
[11:25] <apachelogger> one would have to implement a parser
[11:25] <apachelogger> .ts is essentially xml
[11:25] <apachelogger> nah!
[11:25] <apachelogger> one can not convert at all :P
[11:25] <apachelogger> the .po will be completely broken
[11:26] <apachelogger> since the gettext stuff is always behind the new .ts changes
[11:26] <ryanakca> rgreening: built, http://ryanak.ca/~ryan/qtscriptgenerator_0.1.0-3ubuntu1.debdiff
[11:27] <yuriy> maco: phonon handles video. i mean some small feature, trying to find the entry. but it basically uses phonon to do its job
[11:32] <apachelogger> http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/l10n-kde4/scripts/
[11:32] <apachelogger> upstream scripts
[11:34] <maco> yuriy, thanks
[11:35] <apachelogger> there could be non-standard pathed apps
[11:35] <apachelogger> there aren't
[11:35] <apachelogger> all done via cmake macros making everything alike
[11:36] <apachelogger> unity ftw
[11:36] <apachelogger> :D
[11:41] <apachelogger> someone slience the people outside :P
[11:42] <Riddell> they're in the next room
[11:42] <apachelogger> man
[11:42] <Riddell> thin walls here
[11:43] <apachelogger> *nod*
[11:44]  * Nightrose can't hear much on the live stream
[11:45] <Nightrose> are people really that silent?
[11:45] <apachelogger> turn up the volume
[11:45] <Nightrose> i turned it up as much as i could ;-)
[11:45] <apachelogger> wrong room :P
[11:45] <Nightrose> i am listening to 10 atm
[11:46] <apachelogger> dunno then
[11:48] <Sime> is anyone here having luck running kde4 in Xephyr on 9.04? (keyboard don't work)
[11:49] <apachelogger> Riddell: I'd like to think that koffice and k3b at some point will also change to $package-l10n-$lang instead of -i18n- .... I suppose we should poke the rosetta devs when that happens?
[11:51] <apachelogger> we could create a mapping list from upstream name to source package name
[11:52] <apachelogger> Riddell: btw, the structure within kde-l10n is messages/PACKAGE/DOMAIN
[11:52] <apachelogger> e.g. messages/kdeedu/kfile_kig.po
[11:55] <apachelogger> uh
[11:55] <apachelogger> idea for automated QA: compare completness
[11:55] <apachelogger> way easier than comparing the content, but still gives a good idea if there is a major breakage
[11:59] <apachelogger> from my experience with KDE most translators do not read international lists
[12:00] <Riddell> apachelogger: koffice 2 uses koffice-l10n-xx and danillo has that written down to watch out for
[12:00] <apachelogger> ok
[12:00] <apachelogger> only a matter of time for k3b then I suppose
[12:00] <apachelogger> better write that down as well :D
[12:00] <Riddell> he has
[12:01] <apachelogger> ok
[12:03] <Riddell> Sime: no problems here (in 9.10 but I've used it in 9.04 too in the past fine)
[12:11] <apachelogger> :S
[12:12] <apachelogger> Nightrose: do you use kde-nightly?
[12:13] <Nightrose> apachelogger: installed but not logged in atm
[12:13] <apachelogger> got time to test something?
[12:13] <apachelogger> I might have got google talk working
[12:14] <Nightrose> what do i need to do?
[12:14] <apachelogger> update kdesupport, install kdenetwork
[12:14] <apachelogger> then try to connect to google talk
[12:15] <Nightrose> ok
[12:15] <Nightrose> will take some time
[12:15] <apachelogger> no problem
[12:15] <apachelogger> I'll be leaving for sushi anyway
[12:16] <Nightrose> and you're not taking me with you?
[12:16] <Nightrose> *sob*
[12:16] <apachelogger> quite hungry I am ... listening to the people next to room 10 was quite exhausting :D
[12:16] <apachelogger> Nightrose: nah, though, yes, though, how
[12:16] <apachelogger> ain't gonna work
[12:16] <Nightrose> :D
[12:16] <Nightrose> excuses...
[12:17] <apachelogger> so
[12:17] <apachelogger> when will kdesupport and kdepim stop conflicting on oxygen icons -.-
[12:17] <apachelogger> the bleeding edge is quite bleeding alright
[12:17] <apachelogger> anyway
[12:17] <apachelogger> => sushi
[12:17] <\sh> raw fish ... brrr ;)
[12:18] <Tm_T> straight from the river/lake
[12:19] <\sh> some good white bread sandwiches...some cold meat...a glas of coke -> et voila full featured lunch ;)
[12:21] <Sput> sushi++
[13:21] <rgreening> Quintasan: pinggggggggggggggggg
[13:49] <cbr> are there decent plymouth packages for karmic anywhere?
[13:57] <apachelogger> Sput: you know, there is an irc suite called sushi :D
[13:57] <apachelogger> http://sushi.ikkoku.de/doku.php
[13:58] <freeflying> haha, sushi
[14:00] <apachelogger> I would find it much more suited if it was written in ruby though :P
[14:03] <apachelogger_> sushi!
[14:03] <Quintasan> rgreening: poong
[14:03] <apachelogger_> doesn't look that bad TBH
[14:05] <Quintasan> oh
[14:06] <Quintasan> I'll be back in ~30 minutes, I'm going to shop now
[14:07] <apachelogger_> ryanakca: still no kobby on revu?
[14:13] <Riddell> Tonio_: you around today?
[14:13] <ryanakca> apachelogger: No, I'm getting it into Debian
[14:13] <Riddell> there's a new k3b alpha, it made me think of you :)
[14:13] <ryanakca> apachelogger: At the moment, I'm trying to get libqinfinity building in there
[14:14] <apachelogger> ryanakca: that is going to delay the bitching about how gobby is using a different protocol than kobby though
[14:14] <apachelogger> and I personally would get the bitching started right away
[14:14] <apachelogger> anyway
[14:14] <apachelogger> ryanakca: poke pkern once it builds
[14:14] <apachelogger> and why is it not building anyway
[14:16] <Sime> Riddell: the keyboard in Xephyr isn't working. even with -kb. :-(
[14:17] <Nightrose> can someone please check if "compare" files in the tools menu in dolphin is working when you select two files?
[14:17] <Nightrose> it used to work on intrepid for me and doesn't work on jaunty
[14:17] <Nightrose> not sure which upgrade broke it though
[14:18] <seaLne> could not parse diff  output?
[14:18] <Tonio_> Riddell: sure
[14:18] <ryanakca> apachelogger: broken schroot / build environment.
[14:19] <Nightrose> seaLne: ?  the menu item is grayed out here
[14:19] <apachelogger> neato
[14:19] <Tonio_> I was stuck in the hotel this morning for a problem at work, but I'm arround now writting the 2 blueprints for samba file sharing and also usb-cretor-kde
[14:19] <apachelogger> Nightrose: install kompare
[14:19] <Nightrose> apachelogger: is installed
[14:19] <Nightrose> i am using it now
[14:19] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll be going to the server sessions this afternoon also, for the active directory integration which I'm interested in
[14:19] <seaLne> Nightrose: this is still 4.2.3 on this machine if it makes a difference?
[14:20] <Nightrose> seaLne: same here
[14:21] <seaLne> Nightrose: do you have kompare installed?
[14:21] <Nightrose> seaLne: jep - installed and working
[14:21] <seaLne> hmm
[14:31] <rgreening> ScottK: ping
[14:35] <apachelogger> http://aplg.kollide.net/images/snapshot003.png
[14:35] <apachelogger> webkitkde is the most weird
[14:39] <Nightrose> apachelogger: ok ready for testing - can i start nightly kopete in my non-nightly kde session?
[14:39] <Nightrose> or do i need to log out and into the nightly session?
[14:39] <apachelogger> maybe, mabye not
[14:39] <apachelogger> though
[14:39] <apachelogger> not worth testing
[14:39] <apachelogger> I think the plugin is missing
[14:39] <Nightrose> heh ok
[14:39] <apachelogger> trying to get a new package right now
[14:39] <Nightrose> ok
[14:40] <apachelogger> actually it might already be building
[14:41] <apachelogger> or maybe not
[14:41] <apachelogger> because yet another daily build project is unable to align it's build times to when there is absolutely nothing going on in the PPAs which is around 2 UTC
[14:42]  * apachelogger should move project-neon to UTC afternoon or evening as well and add builds for all supported ubuntu versions
[14:42] <apachelogger> after all, you really want to have bleeding edge software deployed on 8.04, right?
[14:43] <apachelogger> Nightrose: build start in one hour
[14:43] <apachelogger> though I doubt that ... the queue is 43 builds long
[14:44] <apachelogger> Riddell: btw, if you get a chance, could you find out why sometimes the PPA build cloud is uberbig and sometimes ubersmall?
[14:44] <apachelogger> it certainly is not aligned by rush hours nor is there dynamic scaling going on
[14:45] <apachelogger> or maybe it does bang bang
[14:45] <ryanakca> How can I get cyrillic in manpages? /usr/share/man/ru/* has some, but copy pasting from one of those to my manpage doesn't work. Upstream's name is russian (I think), and I'm having a hard time getting it to display with man
[14:45] <apachelogger> utf8?
[14:46] <JontheEchidna> could I get a sponsor for bug 380947?
[14:46] <apachelogger> ewww
[14:46] <ryanakca> apachelogger: I've put qtscriptgenerator's packaging in a bzr branch, should I push it to LP?
[14:46] <ryanakca> apachelogger: should be
[14:46] <apachelogger> certainly
[14:46] <apachelogger> but make sure you have the VCS tags in debian/control
[14:46] <apachelogger> and mail -devel
[14:46] <ryanakca> Yes, utf-8. And centainly to Jon or to me?
[14:46] <ryanakca> OK
[14:46] <apachelogger> even then I am sure no one will notice :P
[14:47] <apachelogger> no clue about the manpage stuff
[14:47] <apachelogger> ryanakca: tried accessing the manpage via the man kioslave?
[14:48] <Riddell> ~slooow internneett
[14:48]  * apachelogger got uberfast one :P
[14:49] <ryanakca> Riddell: verry. I'm typing faster than ssh can send :/
[14:49] <apachelogger> oy vey
[14:50] <Tonio_> Riddell: yeah... I'm trying to get those blueprint added....
[14:52] <ryanakca> apachelogger: Should I update it to point to ours? It's in debian's git
[14:52] <apachelogger> aye
[14:52] <apachelogger> I like to move it!
[14:53] <ryanakca> apachelogger: Add or replace?
[14:53] <apachelogger> replace
[14:54] <apachelogger> Oo
[14:54] <Quintasan> rgreening: I'm sure I send you a debdiff
[14:54] <apachelogger> a chromium build takes one hour
[14:55] <rgreening> Quintasan: can you resend...
[14:55] <Quintasan> sure
[14:55] <Quintasan> rgreening: http://pastebin.com/f3a278f7d
[14:55] <apachelogger> does that darn build run tests or something... kdebase takes that long and kdebase got a lot more functionallity than just showing some 90's intartube pages
[14:55] <ryanakca> rgreening: Did you upload qtscriptgenerator ?
[14:56] <rgreening> ryanakca: not yet... soon
[14:56] <ryanakca> rgreening: wait, more changes
[14:56] <apachelogger> scratch that
[14:56] <rgreening> ok. cool
[14:56] <apachelogger> it takes 2 hours
[14:56] <apachelogger> that is a PITA
[14:56]  * apachelogger goes denting
[14:57] <ryanakca> apachelogger: I have to create the project?
[14:57] <apachelogger> yes
[15:00] <seele> what is the agenda for kubunt karmic community? i'll only be able to listen for a few minutes before i have to leave for a meeting
[15:02] <apachelogger> oh dear, the chromium builds really do tests
[15:02]  * apachelogger goes for some painkillers
[15:02] <ryanakca> apachelogger: Done. Now that I think of it, it would've been wiser to import the Debian branch into LP and then add our changes to it, but oh well.
[15:03] <apachelogger> ryanakca: only if you want to constantly remerge with debian which is not worth the effort IMHO
[15:03] <apachelogger> once the distributed development goes live all over ubuntu this should be way easier anyway
[15:07]  * apachelogger tunes in room 3
[15:07] <apachelogger> and hears sebas
[15:08] <apachelogger> hm
[15:08] <apachelogger> the amount of PPA builders is decreasing
[15:08] <apachelogger> Riddell: I would be really interested in how that cloud works
[15:12] <seele> hmm.. can't really hear anyone well.. not sure if they are "projecting"
[15:13] <apachelogger> not yet
[15:13] <jussi01> someone want to quickly point me to the page which describes how to get connected with UDS voip?
[15:14] <seele> icecast.ubuntu.com
[15:14] <apachelogger> Oo
[15:14] <apachelogger> ok, that discussion is weird
[15:14] <jussi01> :D
[15:14] <jussi01> thanks seele
[15:14] <Nightrose> very :D
[15:15]  * jussi01 now just has to figure out whats happening in each room...
[15:15] <Riddell> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-karmic/2009-05-27/
[15:15] <Riddell> we're in room 3
[15:15] <Nightrose> who is talking atm?
[15:15] <Riddell> nobody right now
[15:16] <ScottK> Nightrose: The woman that was asking about Roman?
[15:16] <Riddell> female voice will be maco
[15:16] <Nightrose> yea
[15:16] <ScottK> Yes.
[15:16] <Nightrose> ahh
[15:16] <Nightrose> heya maco then ;-)
[15:16] <apachelogger> ah
[15:16] <apachelogger> uh
[15:17] <apachelogger> Riddell: I just had a great idea, you could put aluminium foil at the walls
[15:17] <apachelogger> that should prevent crosstalk :D
[15:17] <apachelogger> oy, that was geeky
[15:17] <Nightrose> tinfoilhats!!! :D
[15:17]  * apachelogger goes hide under a rock
[15:18] <maco> its quite warm here in the kubuntu room
[15:19] <seele> is the prototype online that we can see?
[15:19] <apachelogger> with so manyhot people the room must be warm really :P
[15:19] <apachelogger> suppose the qt love t-shirts don't help either :P
[15:20] <maco> most of this place is FREEZING
[15:20] <maco> i had a jacket on
[15:20] <jussi01> Im hearing some random guy talking Moblin...
[15:20] <jussi01> :D
[15:21] <jussi01> hrm... would help if they put them up in order... was in room 11 :/
[15:22] <jussi01> alrighty... there we go. when does the session start?
[15:22] <Riddell> we're in room 3 talking about DX work
[15:22] <davidbarth> ScottK: dx-karmic-kde-integration
[15:22] <jussi01> Riddell: its hard to hear you guys
[15:22] <ScottK> davidbarth: tHANKS.
[15:22] <apachelogger> you know, gobby's document list is a joke
[15:23] <apachelogger> at least some kind of grouping would be fine, better yet => search
[15:23] <maco> user should be alphabetical too
[15:23] <maco> maybe kobby does it better?
[15:23] <apachelogger> didn't get a chance to check since it doesn't connect to gobby.ubuntu.com :P
[15:24]  * apachelogger could start an infinityd probably
[15:24] <seele> huh.. kindof hard to follow without a screenshot or something :(
[15:25] <Nightrose> :/
[15:25] <maco> he showed regular ol notify-send
[15:25] <maco> then the white box in the middle wtih black text
[15:25] <maco> and now good ol' black bubble knotify
[15:27] <maco> there will be a video made available
[15:27] <apachelogger> maco: http://aplg.kollide.net/images/osiris/snapshot037.png
[15:28] <maco> apachelogger, nice
[15:28] <apachelogger> that might however be a infinityd feature
[15:28] <apachelogger> which is one more reason to abandon the old obby stuff and upgrade :D
[15:28] <maco> hes too close to the camera!
[15:29] <apachelogger> hm
[15:29] <apachelogger> I think I like kobby
[15:30] <apachelogger> ryanakca: we should push it into ubuntu ASAP to get feedback for upstream
[15:30] <sebas> seele: can you follow us?
[15:30]  * Nightrose can't really follow tbh
[15:30] <maco> seele, what he demod was a notify-osd-shaped bubble but it was colored to match plasma
[15:31] <maco> so clear like his current theme, and if he put fluffy bunny, that looked right too
[15:31] <apachelogger> fluffy bunny \o/
[15:31] <seele> sebas: not really
[15:31] <sebas> :/
[15:31] <seele> i have no idea wha tyou gues are talking about :(
[15:32] <sebas> discussing how to upstream the proof of concept aurelien did
[15:32] <sebas> it's basically the gnome desktop implementation using Plasma::Theme
[15:32] <seele> question: is their OSD themable? so if you change the plasma theme would the osd display be changed to match?
[15:32] <sebas> seele: yes
[15:32] <sebas> It doesn't grow out of the panel though for example
[15:33] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: ping
[15:33] <sebas> and no [x] button on it
[15:33] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: pong
[15:33] <maco> seele, theres is not themeable. this would match plasma unlike theirs
[15:33] <maco> s/theres/theirs/
[15:33] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: got a kobby build for jaunty... where to publish it?
[15:33] <apachelogger> experimental?
[15:33] <apachelogger> my ppa?
[15:33] <apachelogger> not at all?
[15:33] <JontheEchidna> hmm
[15:33] <apachelogger> wanna give it a try first?
[15:33] <JontheEchidna> sure
[15:33] <JontheEchidna> experimental sounds fine, though
[15:33] <ryanakca> apachelogger: I'm willing to try it
[15:34] <Nightrose> me too
[15:34] <apachelogger> https://edge.launchpad.net/~apachelogger/+archive/staging
[15:34] <seele> sebas: is the position of the plasma osd still in the top right or can it be configured?
[15:34] <sebas> top right
[15:34] <sebas> unlike jobs and everything
[15:34] <seele> is the message indicator in the bottom panel?
[15:35] <maco> i think itll still do 1 at a time...which i like...because knotify creates a wall of notifications blocking my email all the time :P
[15:35] <maco> i dont see a message indicator on his screen right now
[15:35] <maco> but then, he doesnt have pidgin running right now
[15:35] <maco> so it could just be hiding
[15:35] <seele> hmm.. should ask if the message indicator is going to be in the bottom panel
[15:35] <sebas> the message indicator is not there yet
[15:35] <seele> because it doesnt make sense to create a separation between the message display and the message indicator
[15:36] <seele> in gnome, all of their stuff is at the top, so when the message is displayed, there is a positional relationship to the indicator
[15:36] <sebas> yup
[15:36]  * sebas brings that up
[15:36] <maco> i think configurable position for bubbles is on the list of things they want to do anyway
[15:36] <seele> but if there is space between the display and indicator, that relationship is weakened
[15:36] <maco> since users are whining about it
[15:36] <seele> maco: it seemed like positioning was something they werent going to compromise on
[15:37] <maco> they said not as the first thing but maybe as they revise things
[15:37] <maco> then maybe color / position could be configurable
[15:37] <Nightrose> apachelogger: which packages are needed?
[15:37] <maco> so i took it as "not in jaunty, but maybe later"
[15:37] <apachelogger> Nightrose: kobby and infinityd
[15:37] <Nightrose> thx
[15:37] <apachelogger> eh
[15:37] <apachelogger> infinoted
[15:37] <apachelogger> sry
[15:37] <apachelogger> infinoted --security-policy=no-tls
[15:38] <apachelogger> that should start the server and spit out a port to which you can connect using kobby
[15:38] <maco> they wont share the docs though between gobby and kobby
[15:39] <maco> er, obby and infinote
[15:39] <apachelogger> well
[15:39] <apachelogger> gobby-0.5 uses infinote anyway ;-)
[15:39] <ScottK> Infinote Gobby/Kobby aren't on the wire compatible with the current Gobby.
[15:39] <sebas> seele: can you hear us at least?
[15:39] <apachelogger> neversfelde: did you restar the server?
[15:39] <seele> sebas: yes
[15:39] <Nightrose> who's talking now? much better to understand
[15:39] <sebas> good
[15:39] <seele> Nightrose: kwwii
[15:39] <sebas> I'm following here, so just throw things at me
[15:39] <ScottK> rgreening
[15:39] <sebas> It's rgreening
[15:39] <seele> oh
[15:39] <ryanakca> apachelogger: feel free to put your package into (K)Ubuntu
[15:39] <seele> lol they sound the same
[15:39] <sebas> No, Ken's bitching much more
[15:39] <sebas> :)
[15:40] <Nightrose> haha
[15:40] <apachelogger> hm
[15:40] <apachelogger> rgreening can be pretty bitching as well
[15:40] <apachelogger> ryanakca: nah, ppa until 1.0
[15:41] <apachelogger> but we need to have it somewhere to support upstream
[15:41] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: got packages for karmic?
[15:41] <apachelogger> ryanakca, Nightrose: please report if it works
[15:41] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: just change the changelog entry
[15:41] <JontheEchidna> kk
[15:42] <neversfelde> apachelogger: when?
[15:42] <ryanakca> apachelogger: Yes. You weren't interested in comaintaining the packages in Debian? You did all the work (well, on the lib, I'll probably end up using your package... kobby, mine), so I don't want to really take your credit....
[15:43] <apachelogger> ryanakca: you can be maintainer without taking credit :P
[15:43] <neversfelde> apachelogger: last time 12 days ago
[15:43] <apachelogger> I don't really have time to mess with debian sponsoring these days
[15:43] <apachelogger> neversfelde: it pretty much borked something :P
[15:43] <apachelogger> can't login to chroot
[15:43] <neversfelde> apachelogger: mhh, I will have a look at it
[15:43] <apachelogger> kthx
[15:44] <seele> maco: sebas already brought that up
[15:44] <seele> oh maybe not
[15:45] <sebas> I did, but it wasn't picked  up I think
[15:45] <seele> ah
[15:45] <maco> i missed him saying it, but there definitely wasnt any response to it, so...
[15:45] <sebas> it didn't hurt anyway :>
[15:45] <seele> sebas: what would be really useful is if they would develop some system to support logic of if and how to display a notification
[15:46] <sebas> logic like?
[15:46] <seele> sebas: e.g. if it is a "low" priority notification, some type of logic that decides how it is displayed
[15:46] <sebas> OK, right.
[15:46] <seele> for example, some research suggests that messages whcih are longer or contain questions are more valuable than messages with urls
[15:46] <sebas> And "length of text" -> "how long is it shown"
[15:46] <seele> and so maybe we could optimize how the user is alerted of more valuable messages compared to those which are not as valuable
[15:46] <sebas> would priorities be fully dynamic, or do apps set them?
[15:47] <seele> so maybe only a beep if it isnt valuable, but the popup if it is, etc.
[15:47] <apachelogger> ryanakca: for the libqinfinity you might want to take a close look at it ... I just did a quick roll, so there might be issues
[15:47] <maco> seele, priority is in there now
[15:47] <apachelogger> also debian might want that you list the copyright holders of the cmake modules ;-)
[15:47] <maco> screenshots have been posted
[15:47]  * maco hunts
[15:47] <seele> maco: i'm talking about *real* priority -- calculating context etc.
[15:47] <seele> i dont think they do that
[15:47] <ryanakca> apachelogger: I think they will. Sorry, where are the packages?
[15:48] <seele> and the priority color is only for testing, it's not part of the design
[15:48] <apachelogger> ryanakca: https://edge.launchpad.net/~apachelogger/+archive/staging
[15:48] <apachelogger> there are 3 other copyright holders on the cmake modules
[15:48] <apachelogger> other than that the package should be fine
[15:48] <apachelogger> oh, I didn't create a manpage
[15:48] <apachelogger> they might be grumpy about that too ;-)
[15:49] <seele> sebas: i dont know if it would be easier for apps to handle those decisions or not. it seems like applications should be agnostic about that sort of thing and only provide high level management of messages
[15:49] <sebas> Ok
[15:49] <seele> and then have some other layer which is smarter look at *all* messages, not just a single app, to make decisions
[15:49] <sebas> something that could go into the lib Mirko suggested, I'll bring it up
[15:49] <sebas> seele: anything on "panel at bottom"?
[15:49] <seele> then it could do something like learn that all emails and messages and irc pings from sebas are high priority, but from Riddell hide them all
[15:49] <sebas> (Jono's question)
[15:50] <sebas> nepomuk ...
[15:50] <seele> sebas: i think panel location is personal preference. people coming from mac osx might prefer it at the top, but i think windows users prefer it on the bottom
[15:50] <seele> nepomuk integration into notification heuristics would be hot
[15:51] <apachelogger> +1
[15:51] <seele> top panels in osx make more sense because the panel takes over as the window menu and window bar
[15:51] <sebas> aight
[15:51] <maco> firefox is not conducive to googling
[15:51] <maco> its just spinning my cpu
[15:52] <Nightrose> apachelogger: seems to work but the whole connection and creating new file on server needs _a lot_ of work
[15:52] <Nightrose> that is totally confusing atm
[15:52] <apachelogger> well, it follows what gobby does
[15:52]  * Nightrose took way to long to figure out how to create a new doc
[15:52] <apachelogger> which is even more confusing
[15:52] <apachelogger> Nightrose: hm, was pretty obvious to me :P
[15:53] <maco> my panel's at top because gnome got me used to it and so then its close to my file menu and such
[15:53] <Nightrose> well it lets you create a new local doc and hides the non-local creating of docs
[15:53] <Nightrose> that's bad
[15:53] <ryanakca> apachelogger: server?
[15:53] <Nightrose> for a collaborative editor
[15:53] <sebas> OK, panel location is offtopic atm though
[15:53] <apachelogger> ryanakca: a public test server for kobby
[15:54] <Nightrose> also needs better default user name
[16:02] <Nightrose> *sigh*
[16:02] <ryanakca> apachelogger: public test server?
[16:02] <seele> we always have a session which talks about defaults
[16:03] <apachelogger> ryanakca: a server people can use to try kobby without having to start their own local daemon
[16:03] <apachelogger> Nightrose: don't bitch to me, bitch to upstream :P
[16:03] <Nightrose> apachelogger: that *sigh* was for the stream not you ;-)
[16:03] <Nightrose> and yea I will
[16:03] <apachelogger> poor stream
[16:03] <maco> i actually would like to use notify-osd *if* i have the message indicator (for actions) and *if* it fits the desktop because knotify's wall of bubbles is annoying
[16:04] <apachelogger> maco: the wall is going away in kde 4.3 really
[16:06] <ryanakca> apachelogger: gobby.0x539.de , port 6523
[16:06] <apachelogger> oh
[16:06] <apachelogger> ok :D
[16:07] <ryanakca> apachelogger: Kubuntu test ....
[16:08] <apachelogger> maco: http://aplg.kollide.net/images/snapshot004.png and http://aplg.kollide.net/images/snapshot005.png
[16:09] <apachelogger> ryanakca: should that file contain content?
[16:11]  * apachelogger tunes in room eleven
[16:12]  * Nightrose can't connect to that server
[16:12] <Nightrose> and kobby doesn't give any error message
[16:15] <Nightrose> ah now it gave me a timed out message
[16:15] <Nightrose> apachelogger: ^
[16:16] <apachelogger> hm
[16:16] <apachelogger> can't connect any longer
[16:16] <apachelogger> maybe the daemon crashed :P
[16:16] <seele> what's the agenda for the kubuntu community session?
[16:16] <Riddell> seele: from my side, council membership
[16:17] <Riddell> seele: so one question is do you want to continue being on the council?
[16:17] <seele> Riddell: i was planning on it unless people dont want me to
[16:18]  * nixternal wants you to
[16:19] <apachelogger> hm, as I noted earlier already ... community is overrated
[16:19] <shtylman> :/
[16:19] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: copied the kobby stack to experimental waiting for it to publish
[16:20] <apachelogger> also have libqinfinity at hand for karmic
[16:20] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: you probably should blog about it... aggregate testing for kobby
[16:20] <apachelogger> so make sure you mention ways to reach upstream
[16:20] <maco> apachelogger, so youre saying the wall is foldable?
[16:20] <Nightrose> who's talking in room 11?
[16:20] <apachelogger> I can fold anything
[16:21] <Nightrose> apachelogger: JontheEchidna: have a wiki page to collect feedback for upstream and then send it to them as a whole
[16:21] <Nightrose> i can do that
[16:21] <apachelogger> really
[16:21] <apachelogger> who is taking in room eleven
[16:21] <apachelogger> and why does he not use icecream?
[16:22] <apachelogger> especially at UDS I would exect every kubutnu dood to use icecream :P
[16:22] <apachelogger> yummy... icecream
[16:22] <Riddell> Nightrose: want to stay on the council?
[16:23] <apachelogger> Nightrose: stuff should go http://github.com/greghaynes/kobby/issues
[16:23] <apachelogger> IMHO
[16:23] <apachelogger> if upstream wants a monster sized wiki page, he can have that as well :P
[16:23] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: published
[16:23] <Nightrose> Riddell: if you have someone in mind to fill my spot i'm ok with giving it away - otherwise i am fine with doing it another cycle
[16:24] <nixternal> apachelogger: kobby doesn't work well yet, can't use it with gobby.ubuntu.com
[16:24] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: uploading for karmic
[16:24] <apachelogger> nixternal: we discussed that earlier
[16:24] <nixternal> I mean it works if you have an xmpp server
[16:24] <apachelogger> gobby.ubuntu.com is using the ages old obby protocol
[16:24] <nixternal> it is going to be kick ass though
[16:24] <apachelogger> gobby 0.5 as well as kobby use the new infinity protocol
[16:25] <apachelogger> so in the long run kobby should work with gobby.ubuntu.com at some point ;-)
[16:25] <apachelogger> sebas++
[16:25] <apachelogger> a mail to kubuntu-devel a day, keeps the spammers away
[16:26] <ryanakca> apachelogger: Yes, it should contain something
[16:27] <apachelogger> can you still connect to that server?
[16:27] <apachelogger> I failed at 2nd try
[16:27] <nixternal> heh, I just realized I expired from the council
[16:28] <nixternal> didn't even get an email
[16:28] <nixternal> ;(
[16:28] <shtylman> just found this in some openoffice kde integration code: #define COMMA      ','
[16:28] <shtylman> #define SEMI_COLON ';'
[16:28] <sebas> comma has its own define as well
[16:28] <shtylman> when does comma ever change??!
[16:28] <sebas> really nice, if the rest of the code is similar ... good luck :D
[16:28] <nixternal> Riddell: right, I will stand down, time for fresh blood
[16:29] <apachelogger> :D
[16:29] <apachelogger> nixternal: I cut myself when making breakfast today, that was pretty fresh blood as well ;-)
[16:30] <ScottK> claydoh: Are you around?
[16:30] <JontheEchidna> shtylman: my father once made a program that used semicolon.h, comma.h, and similar for fun
[16:30] <nixternal> hehe
[16:30] <shtylman> wow...
[16:30] <apachelogger> giggles
[16:30] <sebas> You could probably copy that verbatim to thedailywtf
[16:31] <nixternal> haha
[16:31] <shtylman> indeed
[16:31] <nixternal> overloading the semicolon and the comma
[16:31]  * JontheEchidna wonders if he still has a copy around
[16:32] <Nightrose> #kubuntu being smaller is a good thing!
[16:32] <JontheEchidna> yus!
[16:32] <Nightrose> same for the forum
[16:32] <seele> time for meeting.. ttyl
[16:32] <JontheEchidna> hmm... where can I dump this...
[16:33] <Nightrose> we could have a bot in #kubuntu or here post forum topics like we do in #amarok
[16:33] <Nightrose> helps a lot with getting questions answered in our forum
[16:33] <apachelogger> flood
[16:34] <JontheEchidna> http://filebin.ca/oashtg/hello.tgz
[16:34] <nixternal> yikes, it is run on a windows server?
[16:34] <apachelogger> if so, in a sperated channel
[16:34] <Nightrose> is the kubuntu forum big enough for flood?
[16:34] <apachelogger> most people here and #kubuntu aren't using the forums at all
[16:34] <Nightrose> right that's the problem
[16:34] <Nightrose> one that can be solved
[16:34] <JontheEchidna> open_curly_brace.h
[16:35] <apachelogger> Nightrose: actually I am fine with them not working in the forums if they choose so
[16:35] <apachelogger> I rather have someone do bug triage then hunt down answers in the forums
[16:35] <nixternal> I have server space if needed, but it would be cool if we had kubuntuforums.org that went to ubuntuforums.org, just with a Kubuntu theme and kubuntu specific forums
[16:35] <Nightrose> apachelogger: well yea - but if people who have time and will to answer questions they should have the means to do so
[16:35] <apachelogger> they can sign up to the rss feeds
[16:35] <apachelogger> that is what the bot would be doing anyway
[16:36] <JontheEchidna> heh: http://paste.ubuntu.com/182151/
[16:36] <Nightrose> right but how many people do that? having an irc bot makes it much easier
[16:36] <apachelogger> well, setup a bot and get a channel :P
[16:37] <apachelogger> crosstalk in room eleven!
[16:37] <ryanakca> apachelogger: kobby broke, it crashed and refuses to reconnect to a server :/
[16:37] <apachelogger> lol
[16:37] <apachelogger> what a crap
[16:38] <apachelogger> ryanakca: localhost still works :D
[16:38] <apachelogger> for me at least
[16:38] <apachelogger> even though my kobby also crashed
[16:42] <apachelogger> hm
[16:42] <apachelogger> having it say Kubuntu on bko
[16:43] <apachelogger> is rather important
[16:43] <apachelogger> for branding purpose
[16:43] <shtylman> you
[16:43] <apachelogger> aye aye sir
[16:43] <apachelogger> !
[16:43] <ScottK> apachelogger: Thanks.
[16:43] <nixternal> Riddell: I can do tutorials!
[16:44] <nixternal> I will teach people how to drink Tequilla properly
[16:44] <freeflying> nixternal: what is Tequilla
[16:45] <Riddell> family distro!
[16:45] <nixternal> see, I have to teach you :)
[16:45] <nixternal> Riddell: families drink tequilla
[16:45] <freeflying> nixternal: oh man
[16:45] <nixternal> NO
[16:45] <nixternal> I am tired of documentation
[16:45] <nixternal> only Google burittos
[16:46] <ryanakca> nixternal: You could do some advertising, you were *awesome* at promoting Ubuntu Classroom...
[16:46] <nixternal> Project Euler with Qt
[16:46] <apachelogger> uh
[16:46] <apachelogger> the fan is back
[16:46]  * apachelogger shudders
[16:46] <nixternal> haha, I heard it
[16:46] <apachelogger> :D
[16:47] <ryanakca> fan? The high pitch weezing?
[16:47] <apachelogger> yes
[16:47] <nixternal> teach people C++ and Qt so they can rewrite a killer KHC :p
[16:47] <apachelogger> righto
[16:47] <apachelogger> KHC makes me cry
[16:47] <nixternal> final cut is on the pirate bay, it is free ;p
[16:48] <apachelogger> but  more important ... write a lib so that upstream can make his applications package aware :P
[16:48] <nixternal> proprietary users don't buy their software, we all know that
[16:48] <apachelogger> *nod*
[16:48] <nixternal> actually I wasn't kidding :
[16:48] <nixternal> ;)
[16:48] <nixternal> I can do Qt designer
[16:48] <nixternal> I have become the master of it, took a class on it recently :)
[16:49] <apachelogger> Oo
[16:49] <nixternal> because I don't use qt designer to create interfaces
[16:49]  * apachelogger sends nixternal his Qt book to learn the real stuff :P
[16:49] <nixternal> I have all ofthe books already
[16:49]  * apachelogger has loads of books to place his coffe cups on
[16:49] <nixternal> apachelogger: there are Qt classes right by my house, so I take the ones they always offer
[16:49] <nixternal> they just did Qt Designer
[16:49] <apachelogger> sounds sensible
[16:49]  * ryanakca doesn't have any Qt books...
[16:50] <nixternal> I have every Qt4 book
[16:50] <nixternal> Foundations of Qt Development has been my favorite thus far
[16:50] <ScottK> I have one Qt4 book.  I've never gotten around to opening it.
[16:50]  * apachelogger throws away a cup and grabs the book underneath it
[16:50] <ryanakca> And I wish Haskell had bindings for Qt..
[16:50] <nixternal> and the Rapid GUI Programming with Python and Qt is good
[16:50] <apachelogger> contents
[16:50] <yuriy> <--- it's right there Riddell
[16:50] <nixternal> ryanakca: Qt based Xmonad!
[16:50] <apachelogger> foreword .................................................................................................................... ix
[16:50] <apachelogger> preface .................................................................................................................................. xi
[16:51] <nixternal> ScottK: no it isn't
[16:51] <nixternal> err, rgreening
[16:51] <apachelogger> nah, wirting it is too much work
[16:51] <nixternal> Thelin's book on the foundations is the best
[16:51] <apachelogger> ryanakca: I'll come by for coffee one day :P
[16:51] <nixternal> rgreening: it is the Rapid GUI Programming with Python and Qt
[16:51] <ryanakca> nixternal: Cool, never head of it before, I'll apt-get later :)
[16:51] <nixternal> that is an awesome book
[16:51] <nixternal> it actually taught me Python better than any other Python book
[16:52] <nixternal> I am drinking coffee
[16:52] <apachelogger> so you can now construct the utimate mess?
[16:52] <nixternal> yup
[16:52] <apachelogger> like, the perfect mess
[16:52] <apachelogger> like
[16:52] <apachelogger> eh
[16:52] <nixternal> it's 5 o'clock somewhere
[16:52] <ScottK> nixternal: What's in the coffee
[16:52] <nixternal> hillbilly!
[16:52] <apachelogger> the omega particle
[16:52] <nixternal> kalhua
[16:52] <nixternal> i can't spell that
[16:53] <Riddell> spec notes https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuKarmicCommunity
[16:53] <apachelogger> Oo
[16:53] <apachelogger> oh dear
[16:53]  * apachelogger falls off chair
[16:54] <nixternal> I actually just wrote some stuff for jcastro in pygtk, i don't think it could be any easier
[16:54] <JontheEchidna> Tonio__: yo, I fixed k3b
[16:54] <Tonio__> JontheEchidna: what was the issue ?
[16:54] <JontheEchidna> Tonio__: it requires an svn snapshot of polkit-qt
[16:54] <Tonio__> JontheEchidna: looks like the problem was more in that libpolit-qt right ?
[16:55] <Tonio__> JontheEchidna: okay that's what I suspected :)
[16:55] <JontheEchidna> yeah, I updated the polkit-qt snapshot and merged with debian
[16:55] <JontheEchidna> (we could probably sync since they patch up to the svn snapshot)
[16:55] <Tonio__> JontheEchidna: does polkit-qt build against debian-qt-kde ?
[16:55] <nixternal> i got involved with kubuntu development because debian became to stale for me at the time and warren woodford was a pita over at mepis
[16:55] <JontheEchidna> Tonio__: debian is using a from-scratch debhelper thing in debian/rules
[16:56] <Tonio__> JontheEchidna: if so then we probably need to reupload packagekit-kde using this instead of kde4.mk
[16:56] <Tonio__> JontheEchidna: ouch..... that's ugly
[16:56] <nixternal> and then in 2005 I made a cool nick and people bowed at my feet, so I stayed :p
[16:56] <shtylman> haha
[16:56] <apachelogger> Oo
[16:56] <apachelogger> they did?
[16:56] <apachelogger> those very crazy times obviously
[16:56] <Tonio_> apachelogger: there is probably a reason for that, as I had weird troubles in using pkg-kde-tools with it
[16:57] <JontheEchidna> Tonio_: k3b just got a second alpha, which I'm almost done updating (pbuilding with fixed polkit-qt)
[16:57] <nixternal> i became addicted during the dapper flight 1 timeline
[16:57] <Tonio_> apachelogger: ho maybe that one was not for me :)
[16:57] <apachelogger> well, maybe not :P
[16:57] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: now I hae to patch k3b for package installation as we do with amarok :)
[16:57] <apachelogger> though, it doesn't matter, does it?
[16:57] <JontheEchidna> Tonio_: want me to send you what I have?
[16:57]  * apachelogger takes his pony and finds something to drink
[16:57] <ryanakca> rgreening: My qtscriptgenerator changes are in bzr, lp:~kubuntu-members/qtscriptgenerator/ubuntu ...
[16:57] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: well I can't build here I'm using a netbook
[16:57] <JontheEchidna> Tonio_: no reason to waste two uploads if it can be done in one
[16:57] <JontheEchidna> ah, ok
[16:58] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: I'll be at home on vacation on monday, we can make a point then
[16:58] <JontheEchidna> sounds like a plan
[16:58] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: and thanks a lot for the fix :) I didn't have time to do that myself so that's cool, really
[16:58] <JontheEchidna> Tonio_: no problem. I'll probably push what I have to kubuntu-experimental for the moment
[16:58] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: cool :)
[16:59] <apachelogger> I am always hardworking on borkage :P
[16:59] <nixternal> http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/extragear/graphics/kiconedit/kiconediticon.cpp?r1=721628&r2=966341 <- that is the latest code I have wrote for KDE, not much, but at least you can save again in kiconedit :p
[16:59]  * JontheEchidna notices that 200,000 commits have gone by
[17:00] <apachelogger> 999999 is soon to be hunted down :P
[17:00] <nixternal> lol ya
[17:00]  * apachelogger needs to score that in addition to the 666666
[17:00] <nixternal> i didn't even realized people still used icon editors like that
[17:01] <JontheEchidna> yay, k3b was my last kdelibs4c2a rdepend
[17:01] <apachelogger> nixternal: well, they still use webbrowsers...
[17:02] <nixternal> like me?
[17:02] <apachelogger> you do?
[17:02] <JontheEchidna> bye-bye kde3
[17:02] <apachelogger> oh
[17:02] <nixternal> I am a toublesome developer!
[17:02] <apachelogger> kubotu: order brain
[17:02]  * kubotu shouts: OMG!!!!! RED ALERT! We lost a brain. Get me a medic, NOW!
[17:02] <nixternal> ScottK: you love kmos dude!
[17:03] <apachelogger> do I know that dood as well?
[17:03] <apachelogger> did I like him?
[17:03] <apachelogger> I am sure I liked him
[17:03] <nixternal> ScottK beat the hell out of me during that time, so did Hobbsee....my arse still hasn't grown back from those days
[17:03] <sebas> ScottK: ettrich has those redrawing issues, can you suggest workarounds?
[17:04] <apachelogger> ScottK: there is a PPA with the intrepid xorg stack IIRC
[17:04] <apachelogger> sebas: ^
[17:05] <nixternal> was that Lurch doing the UDS Staff thing? "Tiiiiimmeeee"
[17:05] <ScottK> ettrich: Do you have Intel video?
[17:06] <ettrich> ScottK: GeForce
[17:06] <nixternal> rgreening: hahaha, we have been saying that forever, a Kubuntu Psychologist
[17:06] <ScottK> ettrich: OK.  Thanks.
[17:06] <apachelogger> nixternal: who?
[17:06] <apachelogger> ah, nvm
[17:06] <nixternal> lol
[17:07] <nixternal> haha, Claire is kicking you all out
[17:08] <JontheEchidna> Tonio_: got a new file, where do you think /etc/dbus-1/system.d/org.k3b.setup.conf would go?
[17:09] <ryanakca> ettrich: Hi, if I remember correctly, jockey-kde will select the best nVidia driver for your system
[17:09] <ScottK> ettrich: It's probably a video driver issue.  ryanakca has experience with nVida like GeForce.
[17:09] <JontheEchidna> there's also this new k3bsetup binary and kcm. I threw the binary in with k3b.install and the kcm in libk3b6 along with the other kcms
[17:09] <ryanakca> ettrich: what card?
[17:10] <ettrich> ryanakca: 8600 GTS
[17:11] <ryanakca> ettrich: and what version of the driver do you have installed? ``dpkg -l | grep nvidia-glx''
[17:12] <ettrich> ryanakca: the one that jockey recommends, the nvidia-glx-180
[17:14] <ryanakca> ettrich: Sorry, I'm not sure, according to the nVidia website, it's the right one. Maybe try reinstalling? Can you reproduce the issue with an older kernel?
[17:14] <ettrich> ryanakca: hmm... maybe I switched that driver later, I can't seem to be able to reproduce the problem anymore. Or kmail got scared of seeing me using evolution
[17:15] <ryanakca> ettrich: Hehe, pleased to hear that :)
[17:16] <apachelogger> Oo
[17:16] <apachelogger> ryanakca must be an evoluationlover
[17:18]  * sebas >> hotel
[17:19] <ettrich> ryanakca: the biggest problem when starting a few KDE applications on jaunty was the look and feel: wrong colors, wrong GUI style. I mean, I new I knew that I had to install systemsettings and kdebase so I could set the appearance to gtk+, but I was only a person testing this, I would have thought that KDE apps simply don't look and feel right on gnome.
[17:20] <ettrich> ryanakca: given that this was the biggest problem, it means there are almost no problems :-) Would be nice if we could fix this somehow, pure Qt4 apps work well out of the box.
[17:20]  * ryanakca >> keysigning party
[17:20] <Riddell> ettrich: so KDE apps should use the qt gtk theme when running under gnome?
[17:22] <ettrich> Riddell: I don't know, this is one option, maybe a bit too drastic? At least as long as there was no KDE style defined (because even the configuration module isn't installed), this is a good default, I think.
[17:27] <Riddell> ettrich: well good timing in your request, we're at the ubuntu developer summit so I can take a look and note to get that done this cycle
[17:27] <cbr> why is kdebase-runtime explicitly dependent on libxine?
[17:28] <JontheEchidna> cbr: probably so that phonon-backend-xine gets pulled in over phonon-backend-gstreamer (which is a buggy pile of fail)
[17:28] <Riddell> kdebase-runtime.install:usr/lib/kde4/kcm_phononxine.so
[17:28] <Riddell> it's the phonon xine config module which adds the dependency
[17:29] <Riddell> we could split that out if we ever moved away from xine
[17:29] <cbr> i have only the gstreamer backend installed though
[17:29] <ettrich> Riddell: excellent, thanks :)
[17:40] <Riddell> cbr: why do you choose gstreamer backend?
[17:40] <cbr> dunno, i thought that since gnome stuff uses it anyhow, i might as well use that
[17:40] <cbr> is it bad?
[17:40] <Riddell> not if it works :)
[17:41] <Riddell> the amarok people are fairly insistent that it doesn't work
[17:41] <Riddell> and it misses dvd menus
[17:41] <cbr> i mainly use it for kopete jingles
[17:42] <cbr> but now i installed xine backend, because i can't uninstall xine anyway
[17:43]  * Riddell goes for a swim
[17:46] <lex79> JontheEchidna: have you time to upload one package?
[17:47] <JontheEchidna> lex79: I'm working on you texmaker one right now
[17:47] <JontheEchidna> *your
[17:47] <lex79> JontheEchidna: lol
[17:52] <apachelogger> Riddell: AFAIK markey worked for years with gstream ... didn't like it too much, also he made the Amarok 1.4 gstreamer backend, so he should know for sure :D
[18:42] <apachelogger> ok
[18:43] <apachelogger> Nightrose: now kopete _should_ be working
[18:44] <apachelogger> -rw-r--r-- root/root    298384 2009-05-27 16:25 ./opt/project-neon/plugins/crypto/libqca-ossl.so
[18:44] <apachelogger> If I am not mistaken that should be the appropriate plugin
[18:54] <apachelogger> http://aplg.kollide.net/images/snapshot006.png all new fancy image support in notification hrrhrr
[18:54] <apachelogger> featuring Nightrose 7
[19:14] <yuriy> damn, I think I lost everybody. sebas ?
[19:22] <apachelogger> that is why everyone should be wearing a tracking device
[19:22] <apachelogger> anyway
[19:22] <apachelogger> I am off till sunday
[19:22] <apachelogger> maybe longer
[19:22] <apachelogger> should be on mid next week again
[19:22] <apachelogger> cya
[20:10] <txwikinger_work> jaunty is really good... with more than 2GB of RAM
[20:10] <txwikinger_work> less than that.. unfortunately far too much swapping
[20:13]  * Mamarok is sick of these network problems in Jaunty, couldn't we backport the new widget?
[20:21] <ScottK> Mamarok: The newest we have packaged is in jaunty-proposed.
[20:21] <Mamarok> ScottK: and does it work?
[20:22] <ScottK> Mamarok: It seems to work better for more people.  Still not perfect.
[20:22] <ScottK> Mamarok: You can also install and use the old KNetworkManager.  It works as well as it always did.
[20:23] <ScottK> I'm actually using that at the moment because I broke the plasma one today.
[20:23] <Mamarok> ok, thx, will suggest that then
[20:24] <ScottK> Mamarok: For people doing a new install, if the plasma widget doesn't work on the Live CD (it actually works for a lot of people, myself included), then KNetworkManager is on the DvD.
[20:25] <Mamarok> funny, the widget always worked nice for me
[20:25] <Mamarok> the strangest was that chap who did an upgrade and had a KDE4 lacking everything, widgets, panet, everything
[20:25] <Mamarok> just the cashew icon was around
[20:25] <Mamarok> panel*
[20:26]  * Mamarok really needs water now, thirsty...
[20:26] <ScottK> For a moment I thought you said he was lacking pants.  I should probably go to bed.
[20:26] <Mamarok> I need eyedrops and something to drink
[20:26] <Mamarok> (i just wrote frink...)
[20:26] <JontheEchidna> gcc 4.4 is teh hotness
[20:39] <nixternal> http://www.flickr.com/photos/specialkevin/3571212182/
[20:39] <nixternal> enjoy!
[20:39] <nixternal> I am always hanging out with a fox!
[20:40] <nixternal> dang, daskreach isn't around for that one, will have to show him later
[20:43] <vorian> haha
[20:44] <vorian> tron guy
[20:44] <vorian> nixternal: when was penguicon?
[20:44] <Tm_T> nixternal: this is sick http://www.flickr.com/photos/specialkevin/3570402373
[20:45] <vorian> i like the big boy photos also
[20:46] <Tm_T> sabdfl: hi, have to say that CC meeting discussion about UbuntuOne was good
[20:46] <sabdfl> hi Tm_T - yes, it was interesting and useful
[20:47]  * Mamarok misses yet another UDS...
[20:47] <Mamarok> hi sabdfl
[20:47] <sabdfl> are you guys tracking UDS remotely?
[20:47] <Tm_T> Mamarok: I have missed them all, also Akademys
[20:48] <Tm_T> sabdfl: not unfortunately, family is keeping me busy
[20:48] <Mamarok> Tm_T: you shouldn't, it's really great
[20:48] <Tm_T> Mamarok: I know, but life haven't been that good to me yet to allow that to happen
[20:49] <Mamarok> sabdfl: when my time allows it, but work has me in the grip these days
[20:50] <Mamarok> Tm_T: will miss you in Gran Canaria then?
[20:50] <Tm_T> Mamarok: yes, unless someone pops in and offer to pay me the trip entirely ):
[20:50] <Mamarok> Tm_T: yep, quite a distance
[20:50] <Tm_T> hi all you who have some extra money, my efforts to bring linux into schools etc is needing some funding (;)
[20:50]  * Tm_T hides
[20:51] <Mamarok> :)
[20:51]  * Tm_T shakes his head, can't even have a properly working pc for myself these days
[20:51] <Mamarok> Tm_T: you should know that sabdfl is deaf on that ear :)
[20:52] <Tm_T> Mamarok: ...I didn't aim to him actually, that was kind of a joke (:)
[20:52] <Tm_T> as I don't expect to gather funding around here anyway (:)
[20:52] <Mamarok> Tm_T: and I have nothing left right now, with customers not paying their bills...
[20:57] <Tm_T> Mamarok: aye, soon trying to get some EU money, but thats not gonna be easy
[21:01] <Viper550> hey
[21:03] <Tm_T> nooooooooo
[21:03] <nixternal> Tm_T: that is tron guy dude
[21:03] <nixternal> vorian: it was the beginning of the month
[21:03] <Tm_T> nixternal: I know, but still
[21:04] <Viper550> hmm, would dark UI's be good for system installers?
[21:04] <Tm_T> Viper550: depends how it is done
[21:04] <nixternal> dark ui's are never good
[21:04] <Tm_T> nixternal: for me it has to be dark
[21:05] <Viper550> I kinda got this dark blue-grey storm-cloud-ish motif going on in this installer I'm working on
[21:05] <Viper550> it's suprisingly looking quite hot.
[21:05]  * Viper550 loves you qt4 CSS
[21:09]  * Mamarok calls it a day, gn8 everyone
[21:17] <Tm_T> we really should look incomimg netbook-Plasma for Karmic
[21:22] <Tm_T> let's see if UDS website doesn't crash my browser anymore
[21:27] <Viper550> any way to just "add" icons to a UI in qt-designer?
[21:29] <neversfelde> Viper550: probably the wrong channel here, you should try kde-devel or something like that?
[21:29] <claydoh> ScottK: very belated pong
[21:36] <Viper550> Tm_T, if anything, this installer might end up being like that new "full-screen" mode on the GUI ubuntu installer
[21:58] <claydoh> Mamarok: we do have some support in the mailing list :)
[22:12] <Tonio_> hi there
[22:14] <Tm_T> hi Tonio_
[22:15] <Tm_T> aaand good night too (:
[22:15] <Tonio_> Tm_T: :) hav a good night
[22:37] <neversfelde> is there a list of all packages, which are on the kubuntu cd?
[22:50] <Riddell> neversfelde: see the .manifest and .list files which exist alongside the ISOs
[22:50] <Riddell> also the seeds in bzr and the germinate output, URLs on KubuntuFiles wiki page
[22:50] <neversfelde> Riddell: ok, thank you
[23:03] <nixternal> hey, with kdesdk-script, how come we don't include, well the /scripts directory? there are a lot of good files in there
[23:03] <txwikinger2> hehe
[23:05] <Riddell> nixternal: we include whatever gets installed
[23:05] <nixternal> well none of the /scripts/* are being installed
[23:05] <nixternal> didn't know if there was a reason behind that or not
[23:06] <nixternal> they used to get installed for kde3 becuase I used the emacs and vim scripts
[23:06] <Riddell> nixternal: aye they are, cvsversion to take a random one
[23:06] <nixternal> well dang, maybe they didn't
[23:06] <nixternal> right, some of them, but like the .vim and .el files don't get installed
[23:07] <nixternal> the most important scripts in there :p
[23:07] <nixternal> especially your precious lil .el ones :p
[23:07]  * txwikinger wonders where he can find some RAM
[23:07] <txwikinger> I got 8GB RAM at work
[23:08] <txwikinger> finally a computer with decent speed again
[23:08] <nixternal> hah, the last notice of the vim stuff in kdesdk, 2002 :D
[23:08] <nixternal> I know it hasn't been that darn long that I thought it was just yesterday
[23:09] <nixternal> jeesh, this old age is getting to me, soon I will be like ScottK
[23:13] <txwikinger> nixternal: you claim to be old?
[23:13] <txwikinger> Get in line :p
[23:14] <dtchen_> whatever, you're no lamont