=== santiago-pgsql is now known as santiago-ve === wharrgarrbl is now known as wharrbarbl [01:07] launchpad bug 375631 === wharrbarbl is now known as wharrgarbl [01:07] Launchpad bug 375631 in kipi-plugins "Merge from debian unstable kipi-plugins 0.3.0" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/375631 [02:13] nixternal: hrm? [02:14] Heehee [02:16] nixternal: yeah, there were multiple bits in it that were quite illuming, wasn't there? [02:36] gnomevfs -> KDE? KIO I am guessing...never messed with it really, except with KHelpCenter and help:/ [02:37] Somewhat [02:37] In my experience it's somewhat like it [02:38] though since no dialogs allow entry of it I'm not sure why it's that great [02:39] I will have to read up on gnomevfs and see how I can port that code [02:42] port? [02:42] huh? [02:54] ? [02:54] Yeah [02:54] this === wharrgarbl___ is now known as wharrgarbl === wharrgarbl is now known as iivv === iivv is now known as iivv_ === iivv_ is now known as iivv === iivv is now known as ii_vv === ii_vv is now known as iivv === wharrgarbl____ is now known as iivv [03:44] lulz: bug 380738 [03:44] Launchpad bug 380738 in mono "Accidental use of close by magnets may erase hard disks" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/380738 [03:46] I feel sorta bad for the real guy... [03:52] That's a serious Bug? [03:52] posted against the software modules ? [03:52] oh, ffs [03:52] Unfortunately, I have found out the hard way that the magnetic field produced by strong magnets is able to wipe hard disks clean of all data. Following the advice of another computer user on an online forum, I tried it, and it turned out that he was in fact correct. In this experience, I have lost thousands of precious family pictures and other very important personal data. [03:53] so, someone heard that they might get their hard disks wiped, if they did this [03:53] that's fine. so did htey backup, knowing that they might lose their very important data? [03:54] oh dear [03:54] the next paragraph is even better [03:54] so ubuntu should supply hard drives that don't use magnetics, for their machines? [03:55] * JontheEchidna is reporting it to #launchpad and the launchpad answers tracker [03:55] no one will be there [03:56] now he's assigning random people to unused upstream bug watches :/ [03:56] that wouldn't surprise me [03:57] Changed in suse: [03:57] assignee: nobody → steve ballmer (m-noroozi) [03:57] lol @ steve ballmer though [03:58] anyway, I think that hard drives do have a small degree of magnetic protection built in [03:58] oh dear, even mark's subscribed [03:58] sticking a small fridge magnet to your computer's case shouldn't hurt it, though I personally wouldn't do it... [03:59] powerful electromagnet to the hard drive would probably fry it, but that'd be intentional [04:05] grandmother superior? [04:05] I lol'd [04:07] ehh he subscribed sabdfl [04:07] oh and Steve Jobs! [04:09] and $DEITY ? [04:10] heh [04:10] 'nite all [04:17] Oh wow he's good... Charles Darwin is assigned to Evolution === nhandler_ is now known as nhandler [05:42] last text received: mekshurudocozuloozdisckstoomanytyms&udontwanttostndnlynFri. [05:43] wrong channel [05:43] scratch that from the record [07:00] Where can I follow what's going on at UDS? === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan [07:05] Daskreech: summit.ubuntu.com [07:05] Thanks [07:15] yikes, using vbox for pxe/kickstart/fai is not the best, but it works, and helps to automating iso testing w/o generating remastered isos with custom preseeds for each test case [07:15] using fedora and cobbler though :/ [07:16] now that I have that figured out, it should be easy to create the same thing with a very minimal ubuntu install, then save the vm img, and publish it for all to use [07:17] have to admit, this is where vmware rocked...you could feed it kickstart scripts for isos [07:22] <\sh> nixternal: FAI rocks even with vmware (and its big brother esx) when you want to test automatic installation of special server layouts...for simple tasks without thinking preseed is also ok..but kickstart for debian with preseed stuff insight was my personal hell... [07:23] <\sh> s/insight/inside/ [07:23] ya, same here [07:23] not everyone here has access to ESX, which is the GOD of all VMs :) [07:23] I see than I can do Xen/Kickstart, wonder about Xen/FAI [07:23] <\sh> nixternal: actually it's a beast with ESX == 666 ;) [07:25] <\sh> nixternal: FAI + Xen is the unltimate gogogo we used it in 2007 during the FAI development sprint one guy was using a test server from my former employer to show how easy that is to deploy a dom0 and then all the xen instances via fai...rocking hard [07:25] right, was looking at domU [07:25] might just go that way, and Xen works if your sys has 0 hardware support right? [07:25] just not the best [07:26] <\sh> but FAI is nothing for "just install and fire" it's more "plan in the first place, then do" [07:26] right, but it is still easy to do for automating iso testing [07:26] <\sh> yep :) [07:26] at least to make sure that it installs...regression testing will still have to be done manually of course [07:26] nixternal: Know if there are Gobby sessions going on? [07:27] Daskreech: there are, gobby.ubuntu.com [07:27] Good thing I'm on Gnome so installing it won't annoy me :) [07:27] Anyone tried kobby? [07:27] i did yesterday, didn't work for me [07:28] You pulled the lib infinity ? [07:28] yup [07:28] didn't have any problems building that? [07:29] none at all [07:29] went smooth [07:29] Neat :) [07:29] I had an issue with the ubuntu server with kobby saying that it wasn't xmpp or something [07:29] would like to see that as a plugin for kate [07:29] Well they are probably using libobby [07:30] Kobby is libinifinote [07:30] ahhh [07:30] which is next generation [07:30] gotcha [07:30] does gobby have support for that yet? [07:30] Nope [07:30] well that is silly [07:31] It will [07:31] pretty soon [07:31] groovy [07:31] man, I wonder if I will be able to make it for one session today...I am super tired [07:31] went to bed at 5am yesterday, woke up 2 hours later [07:31] <\sh> nixternal: are you not in spain? [07:32] \sh: nope, they don't love me there :p [07:32] wasn't able to go this round, I am out of a job right now, and without money, it wouldn't have been possible [07:32] <\sh> nixternal: oh shit...anything on the radar job wise or plan to go the freelancer way? [07:33] so, if you know someone looking for a linux dev, with experience in the cloud storage arena and of course the desktop market, let me know :) [07:33] nothing on the radar, jobs around here are pretty bad [07:33] how I got into cloud storage I will never know [07:34] but the one thing I do know about cloud storage, Amazon, EMC, and others are doing it all wrong :) [07:34] They should be using Cirrus ? [07:34] Why is there so much jaunty stuff at the Summit ? [07:34] Cleversafe is doing it right, they just don't know how to make a damn sale yet...though I hate admitting that since they let me go [07:34] Daskreech: they didn't clear the last UDS docs off of gobby [07:34] Hire yourself to them as a consultant [07:34] <\sh> nixternal: canonical doesn't hire someone to work on ubuntu one? ;) well...I had some job offers from headhunters during the last weeks...but only .de [07:34] Ah [07:35] Daskreech: to who? [07:35] the don't know how to sell guys [07:35] ya, the headhunters here are calling me about .NET crap...nowhere on my resume will you find .NET [07:35] I guess it is a stupid enough language anyone can do it :p [07:35] for small values of "can" and "do" [07:36] hehe [07:36] <\sh> nixternal: hahaha...I have this crap with "SAP Consulting" I never had SAP on my CV ... the only contact with SAP was during the 90ties when the first SAP linux server were tested...and I installed one [07:36] I will admit though, I did like my .NET courses at the uni...only because the instructor was amazing, otherwise I hated the language [07:36] I did some SAP/ERP stuff for Rockwell Automations when I first got out of the military [07:37] that stuff sucks hardcore [07:37] I would rather go back to programming ladder logic for PLCs or PICs [07:38] Why did you hate .NET ? [07:38] and what's with two copies of karmic QA for Kubuntu on the server ? [07:38] <\sh> nixternal: offer "Innovative Turtle Programming Experience"...e.g. developing a graphic turtle cloud engine...IMHO that would give a good "WTF?" to some people reading your resume ,-) [07:39] Daskreech: it reminded me of the old J++, then the more I looked at it, I got the icky feeling of a Java and Visual Basic love child [07:39] I felt dirty after using it [07:39] Well yeah :) [07:39] plus I wasn't planning on doing enterprise ecommerce development anyways [07:40] well, if I don't have a job within the next month and few days, I was approved to rejoin the military, so that is probably what I will do [07:40] go in, do probably 10, get a full retirement, and enjoy life [07:42] <\sh> nixternal: well, opensource can sometimes be a fearful experience, but it's not deadly as doing a gun job ... or do you plan to do infrastructure work for the army? [07:42] navy, I am a gunner's mate in the navy :) [07:42] so it would be gun captain or something else [07:43] I am senior enlisted, so I will have a cake job [07:45] <\sh> now I ask myself what a cake job in the army/navy is...you don't mean something like getting fat and becoming a consultant in war theory for the white house...(now I'm joking :)) [07:46] haha, actually yes [07:46] <\sh> ANGST! [07:47] damn americans and their war! [07:48] i am actually hoping I get to go back to Iraq and work on fixing the infrastructure...last time I went I had fun, though it was quite scary a lot of the times [07:48] <\sh> nixternal: germans are not better these days, but we don't call it "War" we call it "Mission of Piece" (actually it's the same...people are getting hurd) [07:48] <\sh> s/piece/peace/ [07:49] right [07:49] <\sh> but now we are getting OT...and we need to be PC ;) [07:49] hehehe [07:49] \sh: of all the people to be PC, it isn't you or I :p [07:50] whoever just walked into the community room sounds hung over [07:50] <\sh> nixternal: you know what...enter the navy, go and get them that they transfer you to .de and you'll get a job here... [07:50] ya, that would totally rock [07:50] Germany, Spain, or Greece is where I want to live, besides Mexico of course [07:56] <\sh> let's see what this evening will give us here @company...looks like that we will be aquired by another company...hopefully not all rumours are correct ... eventually yes, and then I really have a personal problem [07:57] better yet go to Iraq and establish FOSS all over the place and have America relying on them for tech infrastructure in 10 years [07:57] they actually have quite a bit of FOSS over there already [07:57] it was pretty cool [07:57] Established ? [07:57] Iraq is where I found out about Ubuntu iirc [07:57] they have a bunch of little hacker youngsters there [07:58] I got to protect their internet cafe on day and went in and was like "whoa, check them out" [07:58] s/on/one/ [07:58] choqok is written in Iran isn't it? [07:58] i have no idea [07:59] Think it is. But yeah That would be great [07:59] <\sh> hmm...I should block time to test nexenta [07:59] Whooo someone joined the Gobby server! [08:00] I really need to think out channels of communication for kobby and talk it over with Greg [08:01] = Main Inclusion Reports = [08:01] * "We're getting rid of main"? [08:01] Reeeeeeally? [08:01] hehe [08:03] <\sh> if the system for having package based upload rights is in place then this would be a good idea...but I don't like the idea that anyone without any real clue of e.g. the kernel can upload the kernel...that would be a loss of trust [08:04] that won't happen [08:04] Wow Did they just wake up or something [08:04] people are flooding in [08:04] the kernel team will be in charge of who gets to upload to it [08:04] just like kubuntu would control rights to kde packages and what not [08:05] What's UNR ? [08:05] Oh never mind [08:07] I think I just came to the metadata discussion so I can sit here and cringe [08:12] yuriy: what's it about? [08:13] storing basic metadata about media files, and *maybe* tracking movement of the files [08:13] very rudimentary version of nepomuk [08:13] yuriy: anyone brought up Nepomuk? [08:14] or at least Zeitgeist? [08:14] nope not yet, I don't really know how to bring it up [08:16] Well Nepomuk's ontology was just made the default for Freedesktop standards if I recall [08:16] That might be a step in [08:17] "LETS GO PENS!" seele Pens? [08:18] Riddell: rm 8 is busted again.. [08:18] Daskreech: zeitgeist is mentioned on the spec [08:18] yuriy: Uh huh [08:18] Which has had a year less development and has no roadmap [08:19] i guess the idea is a little different: https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-karmic-content-library [08:19] Rm 8 is cursed :P [08:19] rgreening: you locked yourself in? [08:20] rgreening: do we need to come and rescue you? [08:20] no, lock/handle is busted :) [08:20] no, we got rescued... [08:20] ty [08:20] hehe [08:21] http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/im_an_idiot.png [08:22] Daskreech: the response is: "RDF is just too hard for developers" [08:22] wait no mouseover [08:22] http://xkcd.com/530/ [08:22] yuriy: Fair enough [08:28] Honestly I think that KDE not quite getting it in near 2 years doesn't make it likely that Canonical will get it in 6 months [08:28] granted they are not going to get Zeitgiest in that time either [08:28] They still haven't even gotten gnomevfs [08:28] So step at a time [08:31] Try for something realistic [08:31] * Daskreech wnces [08:32] Anyone on the gobby server? [08:34] apachelogger: project neon... we should discuss how to get something like this as PPA packages in LP... [08:36] rgreening: Working on KDE4 OO.o goodness? [08:44] rgreening: surely neon is in a PPA [08:45] rgreening: what Riddell said :P [08:46] apachelogger: did you get the space you needed? [08:46] Riddell: Why two Kubuntu-karmic-qa docs ? [08:47] Daskreech: lack of communication. lack of intelligence in gobby. [08:47] Riddell: not yet, though the PPA size decreased a lot for some reason [08:47] apachelogger: what's the question no? [08:48] Riddell: pardon? [08:48] apachelogger: the number for the LP answers asking for more space [08:49] Riddell: 72083 [08:50] uh, I broke kde-nightly-kdesupport :S [08:50] yay for you! [08:51] oh [08:51] apparently it was bad copy n paste [08:51] the sed expression is all wrong :D [08:59] no IRC in Karmic! [08:59] get closer to the mic so I can hear you gorgeous people [08:59] Irssi! [08:59] ship Irssi by default [09:00] nixternal: room? [09:01] 5 [09:03] heya, i'm on karmic koala... and i tried bubblemon plasmoid... and now it appears at every login.. and i delete it each time.. [09:04] that is a feature...we really want you to use bubblemon ;p [09:04] lol [09:04] bubblemon is krappy atm [09:04] i had that silly rss feed thing doing it as well...went into the configs and ripped itout [09:05] settings are fugly and when on panel at least, the text displayed when hovering is too small and unreadable [09:06] nixternal: that sounds like a plan, but not sure what i would need to remove [09:06] get rid of them both, ship Irssi! [09:06] nah [09:06] mirc [09:06] DreadKnight: ~/.kde/share/config and grep for bubblemon [09:06] mirc!!!! [09:06] >_< [09:06] nixternal: thanks will try :D [09:06] it is in one of the plasma*rc files [09:06] that will get fixed in karmic eventually [09:06] mhm [09:07] Riddell: thx, project-neon now got more space :D [09:07] yay [09:07] now I just need to fix kdesupport again ;-) [09:08] Konversation can have that list as well! [09:08] rgreening: IRSSI!!!! come on already [09:08] you can screen irssi, even more efficient :p [09:09] quit muting the audio damnit, I am trying to listen [09:09] :D === jussio1 is now known as jussi01 [09:10] * nixternal wonders if there is a distro that ships irssi by default [09:10] grml might [09:10] ok, time to grab some ice and go to bed...g'nite [09:11] nini nixternal [09:18] wait I can hear? Where can I listen in? [09:18] icecast.ubuntu.co [09:18] m [09:18] uh, I think I fixed kdesupport [09:19] and now I also know why I used checkOutEval instead of checkOut in earlier magic [09:23] I think the feedback is important to the quassel project [09:23] I agree [09:23] if we can help with a channel for feedback then defaulting to Konversation isn't that much of an issue [09:23] * apachelogger notes that taring up all of kdesupport takes forever [09:24] do u have any suggestion for ubuntuone's kde support [09:25] in terms of? [09:25] dropbox lacks kde integration as well >_< [09:26] Isn't that more that Gnome did dropbox integration ? [09:26] would have been better if ubuntuone was named something like 'tree roots' [09:26] Rather than the other way ? [09:26] :) [09:26] The name issue has been done to death, so there's really no point in continuing to beat the dead horse. [09:26] yeah, i see where you're going with that.... "optimism" [09:26] i know it was, seen in on blogosphere [09:27] you have ubuntu 9.10 the distro ... then you have ubuntu 1, the dropbox clone... [09:27] it all makes sense. [09:27] and using 'ubuntuone' in another distro = not cool... name fanaticism [09:28] oh well, nvm about it. [09:28] ubuntu just means way too many things :P [09:28] yeah [09:28] What's going on with KDE in Ubuntuone ? [09:29] ubuntuone suggests no clients for windows or mac = not cool [09:29] ssem no support, they think akonadi is quite complicated compare with gnome [09:29] it's like shooting yourself in the leg [09:30] akonadi is complicated? [09:30] have they even looked at it? [09:31] hm [09:31] what does ubuntuone have to do with akonadi? [09:31] * DreadKnight loves that kubuntu has kde without many changes to it, annoying branding, useless applications or yast [09:31] I think ubuntuone is a filesystem stuff, so it should can be implemented with kio [09:31] righto [09:31] apachelogger: probably those things need to be sycned [09:31] freeflying: same conclussion reached the people from dropbox community regarding dropbox implementation into kde [09:32] freeflying: didn't see that happen [09:32] apachelogger: its on the roadmap :) [09:32] well [09:32] as it is akonadi is implemented into kaddressbook [09:32] and very unlikely to end up for stuff like mail before 4.3 [09:33] AIR there from GHNS doesn't installs for me ... [09:33] so, since that stuff is on their roeadmap and akonadi is not rolled out across all of kdepim yet, it would seem that this is a rather lame excuse for not having a KDE client :P [09:33] anyway, claiming that akonadi si complicated to whatever they want to support in gnome is simply weird [09:34] i'm wondering... does kde have any applications using mono? [09:34] didn't see one yet [09:34] apachelogger: as u know gnome guys always think kde is too complicated [09:35] I didn't know, and I don't think that is a general property of gnome guys [09:35] more like ubuntu guys :P [09:36] markey: new moby album in june it seems [09:36] apachelogger: then u're lucky, all those guys I met in china they all think kde is complicated [09:36] :) [09:36] kde has bad usability in many places :P [09:36] disco lies I say [09:36] DreadKnight: so dose gnome [09:36] kubotu: np [09:36] apachelogger listened to "Junge Römer (live @Radiokulturhaus)" by Garish 19 hours ago; see http://www.last.fm/user/apachelogger for more [09:36] gnome is nicer, more polished [09:36] hm [09:37] you know [09:37] half the time my last.fm stuff is broken [09:37] and oxygen kinda scares a lot of people i've seen [09:37] I probably should use something else [09:38] does anyone manage to install AIR plasma theme from GHNS in karmic? [09:38] it is on kde-look? [09:38] yes [09:38] DreadKnight, what's wrong with oxygen. i think it looks rather nice... [09:38] though i still quite like Clearlooks [09:38] well [09:39] non-official KDE package that is [09:39] no wonder it is not working [09:39] might be a trojan horse :P [09:39] clearlooks is nice [09:39] Clearlookis is icon incomplete .. no? [09:39] one of the most used themes in gnome [09:40] DreadKnight, also, have you used kde 4.2? kde 3 was hard for me to use...too many options crammed together. i couldn't process all the information and would run back to gnome. kde 4.2 seems to have fixed that and now arranges settings in sense-making ways without brain overlad [09:40] *overload [09:40] maco: oxygen window decorations and buttons are sort of dull and flat [09:40] i'm using kde since 3.5 or something [09:40] ...i like flat [09:40] i hated kde 3's bubblegum look [09:40] and i'm using gnome as well, since it's more polished/usable [09:40] like i said, i like clearlooks. it also is flat [09:41] i use that clearlooks that has a bit of gloss on window decoration, forgot name [09:41] * apachelogger notes that kdesupport is now taring for 20 minutes -.- [09:41] darn you oxygen, darn you! [09:42] no idea on window decorations though...i dont have any with the window manager i use [09:42] maco: yeah, i don't like plastik style that much as well, took me a while to get use with the fugly kde looks, but i had no choice... my hdd was broken and i was left without any ubuntu live cds... only have kubuntu live cd's at home (local distributor) [09:42] http://2tu.us/ftq [09:42] maco: what window manager is that? O_o [09:42] xmonad [09:42] it's a tiling window manager [09:42] interesting... like in blender 3d i guess [09:43] tried mutter? [09:43] the wm is much more important than whether its GNOME or KDE to me [09:43] i think window decorations should be deprecated long time ago, fucking kill the minimize/maximize/close buttons concept already >_< [09:44] i so displike gnome3/-shell [09:44] GNOME / KDE only determines which panel is displaying my clock & workspaces and which menu i see [09:44] dislike* [09:44] kubotu: np [09:44] apachelogger is listening to "Disco Lies (Freemasons Club Mix)" by Moby; see http://www.last.fm/user/apachelogger for more [09:45] rgreening: Did you get my new debdiff? [09:47] well, ubuntuone will provide a backend for evolution [09:47] can anyone place and AIR on kde-look so it will work with karmic / kde 4.3 ? :\ [09:48] place AIR * [09:48] Daskreech: uh, nice read :D [09:48] freeflying: the evoluation data server I suppose? [09:48] apachelogger: should be [09:48] * apachelogger notes that to his knowledge evolution and akonadi are much alike in terms of access and stuff [09:48] maco: just added some stuff to the gobby doc [09:49] akonadi is just more powerful and all [09:49] apachelogger: akonadi depends on mysql heavily [09:49] so? [09:49] that doesn't matter at all for ubuntuone [09:50] the client would be talking to akonadi, not mysql [09:50] apachelogger: the point is no one know akonadi well in ubuntuone team, I soppose [09:51] so someone gotta dive into it :P [09:51] if people would always stick with the stuff they know, the word inovation would be not existing [09:52] :) [09:52] apachelogger: totally agree with u [09:54] apachelogger: will you be around for translations session at midday? [09:54] I'd expect you have things to say on the topic [09:56] Riddell: translation on lp? [09:56] yes [09:57] Mamarok, i added a comment under one of yours [09:59] * apachelogger checks schedule [09:59] maco: thx :) [09:59] did it again :P [10:00] meh [10:00] maco: I never liked Quassel, it's just so complicated, and hsa hardly grown better in the last months [10:00] has* [10:00] Riddell: I actually wanted to go for some sushi around that time ;-) [10:00] gotta delay that I suppose [10:00] with the end user in mind it's too complicated [10:01] i havent really used konversation. looked like it was just xchat-qt though :P [10:01] i switched to quassel from irssi for the ipv6 support (irssi falls over 4/5 of the time) [10:02] the core/client thing is what's got me staying since someone offered use of their core and i didnt have anywhere to ssh to for irssi usage [10:03] that can be fixed, maco [10:03] o/ [10:03] yes, thank you jussi01 [10:04] :) [10:04] maco: I use irssi in screen, but we should not forget the usability for non tech users, and those are the majority of our users [10:05] Mamarok, i dont think its any harder to use than xchat-gnome...certainly easier than xchat (the normal one) but *plz* get rid of the word "buffer" [10:05] maco: +1 on that [10:05] maco: I don't develop Quassel :) [10:06] heh i know [10:06] maco: ask SPut, he is the main developer AFAIK [10:06] i just meant thats the largest usability thing i can think of: terminology [10:06] Sput: is a super guy :D [10:06] but true, "buffer" is a horrible world, as I said, a nerd tool for nerds, it's simply not noob user friendly [10:06] other than that, not configurable toolbar, but sebas says thats fixed with ifdefs upstream so you can compile --enable-kde [10:07] it was meant to be a nerd tool for nerds, but they did a lot of work to make it fit kubuntu and seem receptive to more usability fixes [10:07] yea imho latest quassel is very user friendly actually [10:08] * Mamarok fires up Quassel and gets a look [10:08] and the devs are very recptive to putting in usability fixes - you just need to tell them what they are... [10:08] * Nightrose recommends having a look before judging it ;-) [10:08] i agree [10:10] ryanakca: yep,. I see it now. ty... [10:10] ryanakca: hows kobby? :) [10:10] Nightrose: the one in KDE 4.3 is ok, surprised at the work done then,kudos! [10:10] * Mamarok goes to remove some remarks on gobby [10:11] kobby! [10:11] rgreening: is ryanakca working on a package? [10:12] maco: done :) [10:12] several apachelogger [10:13] rgreening: well, on a package for kobby [10:13] yep [10:13]