[00:20] <BUGabundo> guud evening
[00:48]  * cwillu pokes BUGabundo with a stick
[00:48] <cwillu> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evolution/+bug/380775
[00:49] <BUGabundo> cwillu: my friend?
[00:49] <BUGabundo> who is it hanging on your side?
[00:49] <BUGabundo> cwillu: err Escape key ?
[00:49] <cwillu> I've got an evolution password prompt that grabs the keyboard and refuses to go away :p
[00:49] <cwillu> doesn't work
[00:49] <cwillu> just pops back up a second later
[00:49] <cwillu> I just killall'd evolution from a vterm
[00:49] <cwillu> but it continually popped up for about 10 minutes there
[00:50] <BUGabundo> I had a stupid bug with compiz and kmail (actually pineentry) where it stood in background
[00:51] <BUGabundo> specially (and this one still happens) if there is a full screen app opened
[00:51] <BUGabundo> got me tricked a few times
[00:51] <cwillu> yep, that one was annoying too
[00:51] <BUGabundo> finally I replaced pineentry-qt with pineentry-gtk and it improved
[00:52] <cwillu> in other news, ikanobri analyzed me based on my musings in #ubuntu-offtopic and came up with http://ikanobori.jp/garbage/cwillu_analyzed.txt :p
[00:54] <BUGabundo> cwillu: background / context please
[00:55] <cwillu> just out of the blue
[00:55] <BUGabundo> PRIMARY:DEFENSIVE SYMBOLIZATION:PASSIVITY                       36
[00:55] <cwillu> and everything I ever said in -offtopic I guess :p
[00:55] <BUGabundo> PRIMARY:SENSATION:COLD
[00:55] <BUGabundo> PRIMARY:NEED:SEX                                                 1
[00:55] <BUGabundo> oh damn
[01:23] <DanaG> Anyone know how to make ntfs-3g NOT take insane amounts of CPU (IOWAIT) usage during large file copy operations?
[01:23] <DanaG> Going from NTFS-3G to NTFS-3g starts at around 50 megabytes per second.... and then drops down to around 5.
[01:25] <BUGabundo> DanaG: anwser 42
[01:25] <cwillu> """The target for the Open Source NTFS-3G Driver is to provide similar performance to other file systems on a wide range of hardware platforms and operating systems. Meanwhile the Commercial NTFS-3G Driver focuses on the highest possible theoretical performance on the underlaying hardware architecture on the Linux platform and it provides 10-20 times better performance for instance by much higher throughput and/or much lower CPU utilization. """
[01:25] <cwillu> http://www.ntfs-3g.org/performance.html
[01:25] <BUGabundo> you are lucky. for me from NTFS to fat it goes down to 1MiB/s
[01:26] <DanaG> And it brings nearly everything else to a sluggish state.
[01:27] <DanaG> I get much higher performance with either Windows copying ntfs-to-ntfs, or with Linux copying ext4 to ext3 or vice versa -- same drive in each case.
[01:27] <DanaG> er, same two physical drives, rather.
[01:27]  * cwillu coughs, and repeats himself :p
[01:27] <DanaG> What, that page touting "awesome performance"?
[01:27] <DanaG> I hardly call bringing the system grinding to a halt... "awesome".
[01:27] <cwillu> of their commercial version of ntfs-3g
[01:28] <DanaG> oh.  Well, it's not even "similar" performance, actually.
[01:28] <BUGabundo> DanaG: I see the same
[01:28] <BUGabundo> so yeah its bad
[01:28] <cwillu> ntfs-3g is crap
[01:29] <DanaG> If Wine would implement surround sound... I could ditch native Windows once and for all.
[01:29] <DanaG> That's about the last native Windows sort of thing I keep around: games.
[01:30] <DanaG> ughm now it's down to 4 megs per second.
[01:30] <BUGabundo> DanaG: have you emailed the Manufacture and let them know about it?
[01:30] <DanaG> What manufacturer?
[01:30] <DanaG> s/what/which/
[01:31] <DanaG> Well, now at least it's un-bogged.... but it's still going slowly.
[01:31] <BUGabundo> DanaG: the one for the games
[01:32] <DanaG> Valve is the manufacturer of most of them.
[01:32] <DanaG> Or rather, "Producer"
[01:32] <DanaG> because "manufacturer" implies "hardware" to me.
[01:32] <BUGabundo> not to me
[01:32] <BUGabundo> but ok
[01:32] <BUGabundo> so, have you ?
[01:33] <DanaG> Not sure what good that'd do.
[01:33] <BUGabundo> have you let them know you want to aquire their software but you need for it to run on Linux ?
[01:33] <BUGabundo> DanaG: its like using a BTS
[01:33] <DanaG> I already own the games, actually.
[01:33] <BUGabundo> what good is you know a bug and not report it to the dev?
[01:33] <BUGabundo> do you want him to guess?
[01:33] <BUGabundo> this is the same
[01:34] <BUGabundo> who will "producer" ever change or support Linux, if nobody tells them?
[01:34] <BUGabundo> and just complain on IRC and linux MLs, and wine forums?
[01:36] <DanaG> well, glad to know I'm not the only one finding ntfs-3g to be sluggish.
[01:37] <BUGabundo> eheh
[01:37] <BUGabundo> isn't the entire world?
[01:38] <DanaG> Well, at least I'm not using ntfs-3G over USB... that'd be ouch² (ouch squared).
[01:38] <BUGabundo> DanaG: I do....
[01:39] <BUGabundo> worse
[01:39] <BUGabundo> I do usb 2 usb
[01:39]  * DanaG uses eSATA.  :)
[01:39] <BUGabundo> well time for bed! cu tomorrow
[01:39] <DanaG> Tue May 26 17:39:54 PDT 2009
[01:39] <DanaG> what's your time zone?
[01:40] <BUGabundo> Wed May 27 01:40:42 WEST 2009
[01:41] <BUGabundo> need to get up at 7am and do 80Km for out side work
[01:41] <DanaG> WEST?  Hmm, I have no clue where that is.  But yeah, have a good sleep, given the time.  :)
[01:41] <BUGabundo> GMT
[01:41] <BUGabundo> Portugal
[01:42] <BUGabundo> or is it GMT +1 due to Summer time?
[01:42] <BUGabundo> bah
[01:42] <BUGabundo> don't disctract me eheh
[02:11] <DanaG> Mmm, now just 3 megs per second.
[02:19] <cwillu> DanaG, copying to or from?
[02:20] <cwillu> if from, might remount using the kernel ntfs driver, probably faster
[02:20] <DanaG> From one to another.
[02:21] <DanaG> Anyway, it finally finished.  I don't often do huge file transfers like that, thankfully -- but it still sucks that it... sucks... so badly when I do do such file transfers.
[02:21] <cwillu> same physical drive you said?
[02:21] <cwillu> wonder if it would have been faster to copy to an ext partition first, and then bounce that back to the destination
[02:23] <DanaG> Different drive source and destination.
[02:23] <DanaG> What I meant by "same drive" was this:
[02:24] <DanaG> Source has ntfs and ext3, destination has ntfs and ext4.  copying ntfs->ntfs is slow either direction, but ext3<->ext4 is just fine.
[02:25] <JorgeJorgesson> I've tried to use vbox guest additions with 9.10 but all it does is corrupt my system and I have to reinstall.  Anyone get it to work?
[02:26] <cwillu> DanaG, just thinking that there may be contention inside the ntfs driver itself, and so copying ntfs -> either ext, and after copying ext back to the target ntfs might give a dramatic improvement in time
[02:26] <cwillu> i.e., the difference between copying directly at 3mb/s vs making an extra copy, but the whole process running at 50mb/s instead.
[02:27] <DanaG> I don't know if I have enough spare space to do that.
[02:27] <DanaG> I'd be fine with it dividing down to 25 megs per second.... but going down to 5 is rather horrible.  And then it brings the rest of the system to its knees with iowait.
[02:28] <DanaG> Bare benchmarks on the drives are 100 down to 70 on external, and 70 down to 40 on internal.
[02:28] <DanaG> That's sequential read speeds with hdtach in windows.
[02:29] <DanaG> Granted, the internal one probably IS rather horribly fragmented.
[02:29] <cwillu> you were going internal -> external?
[02:29] <DanaG> Other way around, in this case.  External is eSATA.
[02:29] <DanaG> And "100 down to 70" is "100 at start of drive, 70 at end of drive"
[02:30] <cwillu> ah, ya, the fragmentation alone might be accountable for that performance then
[02:32] <DanaG> I find it funny (and irritating) how few sites benchmark Linux boot on the SSDs they test.
[02:32] <DanaG> Not even Phoronix benchmarks booting!
[02:33] <DanaG> oh yeah, anything about UEFI / grub2 in UDS?
[02:33] <DanaG> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ocz_vertex_ssd
[02:33] <DanaG> Note lack of benchmark of boot time.  How irritating.
[02:45] <DanaG> heh, I replaced my touchstick cap with ... an eraser.
[02:46] <DanaG> damn, not durable enough to stay intact.
[02:47] <cwillu> I miss suspend
[02:48]  * cwillu curses, empty xorg.0.log.old file :/
[02:50] <DanaG> argh, need new touchstyk cap.
[02:50] <DanaG> oh, and: http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=5&url=https%3A%2F%2Fbugs.launchpad.net%2Fubuntu%2F%2Bsource%2Fgsynaptics%2F%2Bbug%2F268506&ei=b5wcSsjiKZqQswPFwOCSDw&usg=AFQjCNElccvRmvBWspCYFctx2mlE10gF7w&sig2=Y4R5sNEouMQOj2tjI8LewQ
[02:50] <DanaG> er
[02:50] <DanaG> damn googlified link.
[02:51] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gsynaptics/+bug/268506
[02:58] <DanaG> whose bright idea was it to break out the stick as a separate, non-configurable device, rather than leaving it a slave of the pad?
[02:58] <DanaG> Some great idea that was/
[02:58] <DanaG> .
[03:08] <cwillu> is there an easy way to attach a file to an existing bugreport from the command line?
[03:18] <cwillu> and whoever wrote "assert k.replace('.', '').isalnum()" in problem_report.py:479 needs to think about the implications of replacing every character with "" ... :(
[03:21] <crdlb> every character?
[03:21] <cwillu> that's what '.' does :p
[03:21] <crdlb> that's not regex
[03:21] <cwillu> you're right
[03:21]  * cwillu smacks head
[03:21] <cwillu> it's still wrong though
[03:22] <cwillu> dashes and underscores are used, and they don't match isalnum
[03:22] <cwillu> i.e., apport-collect -p xorg fails right now
[04:09] <DanaG> hmm, I tried the xinput2 PPA.... it didn't fix my high keycodes.
[04:10] <DanaG> And it broke my touchpad.  :(
[04:10] <DanaG> Luckily, my Koala is on a spare drive, not my primary drive.  =þ
[05:56] <shadeslayer> anyone who has kde 4.3 and 9.10 karmic??
[05:57] <shadeslayer> anyone who has karmic??
[05:59] <Stupendoussteve> Probably most of the people in here :D
[06:00] <shadeslayer> Stupendoussteve: ok can you tell me how often it crashes?? im thinking of installing
[06:01] <Stupendoussteve> It doesn't crash often. Package updates have been known to break it.
[06:02] <Stupendoussteve> If you can't deal with not having a functional GUI because the new HAL package is broken for a day, you might not want to use Karmic
[06:02] <shadeslayer> Stupendoussteve: ok.....just thinking of installing :)
[06:02] <shadeslayer> ah......
[06:02] <Stupendoussteve> they try to avoid it but things happen
[06:03] <shadeslayer> actually the main problem is that i cant get KDE 4.3 in Jaunty
[06:04] <Stupendoussteve> It's not in Karmic yet
[06:05] <shadeslayer> Stupendoussteve: actually it is :)
[06:05] <Stupendoussteve> Not according to packages.ubuntu.com
[06:05] <Stupendoussteve> Does it have a different name?
[06:05] <shadeslayer> Stupendoussteve: it says so on kubuntu.org
[06:07] <Stupendoussteve> That's 4.3 beta, btw. I don't know what the package names are
[06:08] <shadeslayer> Stupendoussteve: yes,its probably kde-nightly or something simialr,just check apt-cache search kde-nightly
[06:10] <Stupendoussteve> Whoops :)
[06:10] <Stupendoussteve> No such package btw
[06:11] <shadeslayer> bleh
[06:42] <Amaranth> Stupendoussteve: It's just the KDE packages, but 4.3 beta version
[06:43] <Amaranth> no special naming
[06:43] <Stupendoussteve> Then the site is out of date :)
[06:43] <Amaranth> of course KDE is junk anyway so...
[06:43]  * Amaranth runs
[06:43] <Stupendoussteve> hehe
[07:43] <shadeslayer> Stupendoussteve: you there??
[07:44] <shadeslayer> can i mount the downloaded ISO from my HD and then upgrade using that as the alternate CD??
[07:46] <shadeslayer> bug1
[07:46] <shadeslayer> bug 1
[07:47] <shadeslayer> "P
[08:03] <druid_of_system> hi everyone
[08:17] <shadeslayer> hal is broken right??
[08:20] <shadeslayer> ill leave that out in the updates then :P
[08:28] <shadeslayer> anyone here??
[08:29] <SwedeMike> people will reply if they see your message and know something
[08:29] <shadeslayer> SwedeMike: i did post my message earlier...
[08:30] <shadeslayer> can i update via mounting the ISO ??
[08:31] <SwedeMike> as I said, there is no use in posting it again, when people see it they will reply.
[08:32] <shadeslayer> ok
[08:32] <shadeslayer> the ISO will be done downloading in 7 min :P
[08:41] <shadeslayer> done..i see a script for updating...ill verify md5 first
[09:12] <peterz> does ubuntu ship debuginfo package like fedora does?
[09:13] <shadeslayer> peterz: its in the repo
[09:13] <peterz> what are they called?
[09:13] <peterz> say, I'm looking for the debug symbols of gnu-make
[09:14] <shadeslayer> peterz: they will have -dbg in the end
[09:15] <peterz> shadeslayer: right, then I might be missing a repo because make-dbg isn't a known package here
[09:16] <shadeslayer> peterz: maybe...maybe not
[09:16] <shadeslayer> one sec
[09:16] <shadeslayer> !info gnu-make-dbg
[09:16] <peterz> !info make-dbg
[09:17] <peterz> whee
[09:17] <shadeslayer> peterz: try to fish in PM...also try !find package
[09:17] <peterz> anyway, say it did exists, would it install crap in /usr/lib/debug/ like fedora does
[12:09] <Zodiarche> hello
[12:09] <Zodiarche> have a problem with the sound. when i start ubuntu i have no sound. the welcome sound at login screen comes. but when i want to hear music on banshee or rythmbox or other applications it is muted, dont know why
[12:12] <Zodiarche> no one some idea?
[15:59] <BluesKaj> 'Morning
[16:06] <charlie-tca> Hello, BluesKaj
[16:08] <BluesKaj> hi charlie-tca
[16:12] <lubomir> hello. is there a 9.10 live cd?
[16:17] <BluesKaj> lubomir, Alpha 1 Released: see http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/karmic/alpha1
[16:17] <lubomir> BluesKaj, have the server or alternative version graphical bootup to "just use" it as live cd?
[16:20] <BluesKaj> live cds are usually only avaialble after the release is "official" and ou tof the testing phase afaik
[16:21] <BluesKaj> I upgraded thru the internet and adding the source repos to my sources.list thenupgrading as it expalins on the above URL
[16:21] <lubomir> BluesKaj, did you know an other live cd with kernel version 30 and networkmanager 0.7.1?
[16:21] <BluesKaj> no
[16:22] <BluesKaj> I try not to get too far ahead
[17:18] <v6lur> estonian translation is totally broken in kubuntu kk
[17:19] <v6lur> plus, estonian couldn't be selected as locale during setup
[17:25] <BluesKaj> v6lur, install language-support-et
[17:25] <v6lur> BluesKaj: i didn't say missing. i said broken
[17:25] <BluesKaj> purge/remove and reinstall
[17:25] <v6lur> half the strings on screen are in english
[17:26] <v6lur> plus stuff like & instead of underscore
[17:26] <v6lur> in menus
[17:26] <v6lur> underline*
[17:26] <Pici> Is the translation finished in rosetta? or does the package just not contain what should be there?
[17:27] <v6lur> dunno, it's fine in e.g. mandriva (cooker)
[17:32] <Pici> v6lur: Doesn't look like translations have opened for Karmic yet.
[17:32] <Pici> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic
[17:32] <Pici> I don't know a lot about the translations workflow, so I'm not sure if this is normal for this stage in the release cycle.
[19:06] <kklimonda> Does Empathy in KK support appending to notification bubble already?
[20:48] <kklimonda> is KK going to have X.Org 7.5?
[20:49] <kklimonda> was it even in plans before it has been delayed?
[21:40] <mrwes> \o/ I have sound today!
[21:41] <BUGabundo> yep there's a PA update
[21:41] <BUGabundo> have to reboot to enjoy it
[21:41] <mrwes> I realized that
[21:41] <sagredo> hi friends. does anyone know a way to turn on/off  notifications?
[21:42] <mrwes> install Ibex
[21:46] <BUGabundo> mrwes: +1
[21:46] <BUGabundo> sagredo: or gnome straciatela session
[21:47] <mrwes> I for one, like the notifications -- hopefully we'll get some customization in Karmic
[21:47] <mrwes> e.g. -- location, size, color. etcc
[21:47] <BUGabundo> mrwes: they do
[21:47] <BUGabundo> see the BP
[21:48] <mrwes> yah so I've read
[21:49] <samd> i want to help on testing/doing whatever i can do to help develop karmic koala, is it safe to install it in the same hdd as my main instalation? or should i install on a separate hdd?
[21:51] <BUGabundo> samd: NO
[21:51] <mrwes> samd, hrmm...that's a personal choice
[21:51] <BUGabundo> it can and will cause breakage
[21:51] <mrwes> you could put in in a VB
[21:51] <BUGabundo> you are expected to be able to get your self out of trouble
[21:51] <mrwes> me I didn't care and upgrade to the alpha from Jaunty
[21:51] <BUGabundo> LOL
[21:51] <mrwes> reinstalling to me is not biggie
[21:52] <BUGabundo> mrwes: as you know I did it even before alpha
[21:52] <mrwes> no*
[21:52] <mrwes> heh
[21:52] <mrwes> shrug...
[21:52] <mrwes> however, I only did it so I could come in here and bitch when things are broken
[21:52] <mrwes> heh
[21:53] <BUGabundo> you missed us, admit
[21:53] <samd> BUGabundo: yeah, i get my way around problems, installing in virtualbox sounds like a good choice
[21:53] <mrwes> Normally, I don't put anything on my HDD until RC
[21:53] <mrwes> but I must have been drinking too much Scotch and didn't care this time
[21:53] <BUGabundo> LOL
[21:54] <samd> mrwes: yeah, i think ill install it in VB, lol
[21:54] <samd> lol
[21:54] <mrwes> samd, well if you have a big enough HDD, you could setup a 'testing' partition and put it on there
[21:55] <samd> mrwes: ill do that, after my new SSD arrives
[21:55] <samd> ill use this drive for testing/backup
[21:55]  * BUGabundo is envious of "new SSDs
[21:55] <mrwes> I've been using the 'upgrade' feature as of lately -- trying to see if it actually works :)
[21:55] <BUGabundo> samd: feel free to send me the old ones
[21:55] <mrwes> how big of an SSD did you get?
[21:56] <samd> mrwes: 80gig
[21:56] <mrwes> newegg had some good prices as of late
[21:56] <mrwes> hrmm.. how much $$
[21:56] <samd> ya, intel x-25m 80 gig, 324 usd
[21:56] <mrwes> I just put a 1TB eSATA on my server
[21:56] <mrwes> ouch
[21:57] <samd> mrwes: its a bit extensive, i could get a cheaper one, but i read intel had the best ones, the fasters, and the more reliable talking about wear
[21:57] <BUGabundo> samd: I read the sam
[21:57] <BUGabundo> *same
[21:58] <mrwes> ic
[21:58] <samd> BUGabundo: yeah, thats why i droped a little more $$ on the intel
[21:58] <mrwes> certainly more $$ than my new eSATA drive :)
[21:58] <samd> mrwes: yeah
[21:58] <mrwes> :)
[21:58] <samd> mrwes: how much u dropeed
[21:59] <mrwes> $84, for a WD and I put it inside a Roswell enclosure w/ a fan
[21:59] <mrwes> hundie total maybe
[21:59] <samd> mrwes: nice, how much rpm?
[22:00] <mrwes> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136317
[22:01] <mrwes> 32mb cache
[22:01] <Pici> !offtopic
[22:01] <mrwes> come on...no one else is even talking...
[22:01] <mrwes> sigh
[22:01] <Pici> So? Whats wrong with joining #ubuntu-offtopic and talking there?
[22:02] <samd> mrwes: good deal
[22:02] <samd> Pici: ight, sorry
[22:02] <mrwes> nuttin
[22:02] <mrwes> funny how sometimes you can come in here and ask a legitimate question -- dead silence
[22:03] <mrwes> mention something OT and b00m
[22:03] <mrwes> lots of activity :)
[22:03] <BUGabundo> ahaah
[22:03] <BUGabundo> yeah
[22:03] <samd> mrwes:  yah lol, well i came asking a legitime question
[22:03] <mrwes> samd, welp -- you set me up with OT questions
[22:04] <samd> :p
[22:04] <mrwes> Pici: have you noticed since Jaunty that the notification area does not resize when icons are removed?
[22:04] <mrwes> Pici: kinda looks like swiss cheese up there sometimes
[22:04] <mrwes> they should slide right or left when icons leave the area
[22:05] <mrwes> any plans to fix that?
[22:05] <mrwes> @)
[22:06] <BUGabundo> mrwes: works for me
[22:06] <mrwes> hrmm...
[22:06] <BUGabundo> mrwes: samd: #ubuntu-diskspeed if you please
[22:09] <mrwes> BUGabundo, just killed Evolution and that time the notificaiton area slide left like it should
[22:10] <BUGabundo> mrwes: #ubuntu-diskspeed if you please
[22:10] <mrwes> so polite
[22:15] <druupy> updatEd to 9.1 and now my E kEy will only work if I usE shift
[22:15] <druupy> gEt this, EvEn thE virtual kEyboard won't do it!
[22:16] <BUGabundo> druupy: ROLG
[22:16] <BUGabundo> you are going to kill me eheheeh
[22:17] <druupy> plEasE this problEm is crippling mE!
[22:18] <BUGabundo> druupy: its true? not a joke?
[22:18] <druupy> NO JOKE
[22:18] <druupy> shift E works
[22:18] <druupy> lowEr casE doEsn't
[22:19] <druupy> i don't think its a krnl issuE as I still havE thE krnl from 8.x
[22:19] <BUGabundo> druupy: stupid question: is it jammed?
[22:19] <druupy> shift works
[22:20] <druupy> shift-E
[22:20] <BUGabundo> does a LiveCD reproduce it ?
[22:20] <druupy> i updatd intrnt
[22:20] <druupy> not by livEcd
[22:20] <druupy> thE kEy works up until th login managEr taks my password (which has a E in it)
[22:21] <druupy> AFTER that, it stops working
[22:22] <druupy> is thErE a kEyboard mapping in X/gnom/KDE?
[22:22] <BUGabundo> seems you found a bug
[22:23] <BUGabundo> better report it
[22:23] <BUGabundo> but don't exepct much attention until before the end of the week/uds
[22:23] <druupy> i havE no way to rEproducE it, only on PC
[22:23] <druupy> 2 macs, onE PC
[22:24] <BUGabundo> can you get a daily iso, put it onto usb and test again?
[22:24] <druupy> having no othr choicE i'll havE to
[22:24] <druupy> i was hoping this was a known bug
[22:26] <BUGabundo> druupy: this have been calm all week
[22:27] <arand> druupy: can you use onboard to produce versal e ?
[22:28] <druupy> ?
[22:28] <druupy> xplain
[22:28] <BUGabundo> arand: he already said he can't
[22:28] <druupy> if you mEan virt-kb no
[22:29] <druupy> it won't work Eithr
[22:30] <arand> oh, yea saw that post just now...
[22:30] <druupy> http://pastebin.com/m4af48eb4
[22:30] <druupy> whn I click E with xEv running
[22:34] <BUGabundo> what damn.. I have audio in flash if I don't put it above 50%
[22:34] <BUGabundo> lol
[22:34] <BUGabundo> 2 weeks ago I only had , if volume was above 65%
[22:48]  * Twigathy giggles at the 'E' problem upchannel, poor druupy c_c
[22:48] <druupy> :P
[22:48] <Twigathy> There's a famous book which does not use the letter E at all
[22:49] <BUGabundo> and there we go OT again
[22:49]  * BUGabundo sits back and reads
[22:49] <Twigathy> OT, but: http://www.spinelessbooks.com/gadsby/ :-)
[22:50] <Twigathy> In other news: I saw a kernel update just a few days back, should really test that blkid CPU time munching bug ...
[22:50] <BUGabundo> yesteday I think
[22:50] <mrwes> !ot
[22:51] <BUGabundo> or two days ago
[22:51] <mrwes> :P
[22:51] <BUGabundo> now you are tanting us Bill?
[22:51] <Twigathy> mrwes: *grin* will bear that in mind next time ;)
[22:51] <mrwes> me?
[22:51] <mrwes> heh
[22:52] <BUGabundo>   https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/foundations-karmic-grub2
[22:52] <BUGabundo> Grub2 as default
[22:52] <BUGabundo> WOOT
[22:53] <BUGabundo> " Karmic +1 to drop grub 1?"
[22:53] <BUGabundo>         change menu.lst in grub 1 - with zero timeout and chainload grub2
[22:54] <Twigathy> Any big advantages of grub2 over grub1?
[22:55] <Twigathy> ooo, EFI booting... might have to stuff ubuntu back on the mac..
[22:56] <BUGabundo>     - currently grub cannot boot from /boot for LVM, needs to use lilo.
[22:56] <BUGabundo>     - check if grub2 can boot /boot LVM - and hence remove the need for the lilo on ISO
[22:56] <Twigathy> ahha.
[22:56] <Twigathy> So long as I can keep my initramfs-tools 'boot=nfs' and hack up menu.lst every kernel update I'm cool with anything =)
[22:57] <BUGabundo>  * grub2 EFI/UEFI
[22:57] <BUGabundo>    Mac and x86 PC with EFI support needs checking
[22:59] <BUGabundo>   user holds key - e.g. press shift shows menu, otherwise just continue boot process
[22:59] <BUGabundo> here is one *we* will have to explain to every single user coming by
[23:00] <Twigathy> "Why can't I press escape any more?!"
[23:00] <BUGabundo> better get a factoid ready and have bot auto replying to it
[23:00] <Twigathy> hehe
[23:00] <BUGabundo> eheh Twigathy right
[23:00] <Twigathy> Maybe it'd be worth having esc. as a key you can hit as well as holding shift to save some pain ;)
[23:00] <BUGabundo> but really why change from a very well known to key to an unespected one ?
[23:00] <Twigathy> Goodness knows
[23:01] <bruce89> hello anyway
[23:03] <BUGabundo> hey bruce
[23:03] <BUGabundo> welcome
[23:03] <bruce89> hola
[23:03] <BUGabundo> remmeber: NO OT
[23:03] <BUGabundo> eeh
[23:03] <bruce89> of course, I'll behave
[23:03] <mrwes> Karmic won't mount a DVD
[23:03] <mrwes> [ 5789.917332] hal-storage-mou[7889]: segfault at 0 ip 0804a9f2 sp bfd45d00 error 4 in hal-storage-mount[8048000+7000]
[23:03] <BUGabundo> mrwes: ROFL
[23:03] <BUGabundo> that's just your Disc
[23:03] <mrwes> sigh
[23:03] <BUGabundo> or the gvpau bug
[23:03] <BUGabundo> my log is filled with that
[23:03] <mrwes> uh?
[23:04] <BUGabundo> and all devs are at UDS
[23:04] <BUGabundo> bruce89: fill free to PVT mt
[23:04] <mrwes> sigh
[23:04] <mrwes> needed to handbrake a DVD
[23:04] <mrwes> guess not
[23:05] <mrwes> guess I can do it from the server
[23:05] <mrwes> with vobcopy
[23:06] <BUGabundo> mrwes: also bad news: no more vobcopy on KK
[23:06] <mrwes> WTF?
[23:06] <mrwes> come on! you're kiddin' right?
[23:06] <BUGabundo> check packages
[23:06] <mrwes> heh..it's there
[23:06] <BUGabundo> dropped
[23:06] <BUGabundo> mrwes: because you upgrade
[23:06] <BUGabundo> no longer in archive
[23:07] <mrwes> ahh
[23:07] <BUGabundo> *upgraded
[23:07] <mrwes> can I backport ?
[23:08] <maxb> BUGabundo: Huh? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vobcopy
[23:08] <BUGabundo> sure you can
[23:08] <BUGabundo> but if upstream dropped (or debian) for some reason
[23:08] <BUGabundo> maxb: or maybe me my memory is playing tricks on me
[23:08] <kklimonda> it is
[23:08] <BUGabundo> I know at least on DVD copying program was on my to remove list
[23:09] <mrwes> hrmm
[23:09] <mrwes> I can always vobcopy from my server
[23:09] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: it is what?
[23:10] <mrwes> since I can't mount a DVD on KK
[23:10] <mrwes> er
[23:10] <kklimonda> it [your memory] is playing tricks on you ;)
[23:10] <mrwes> I might have to put Jaunty back on then
[23:10] <mrwes> for real
[23:11] <mrwes> weird, the DVD lable shows up, but it's not mounted
[23:12] <mrwes> unknown error
[23:13] <bruce89> best be off before I get banned
[23:14] <BUGabundo> humm newer kerner or NM, is making my 3G much better YAY
[23:22] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: does it mean you will fight me to the first blood over C-sharp? ;D
[23:22] <BUGabundo> never
[23:23] <BUGabundo> I'm not a Code lover
[23:23] <kklimonda> :)
[23:24] <kklimonda> well, I'm a python lover myself but I can appreciate C# as a language for Linux.. well, Vala would be better..
[23:24] <BUGabundo> so do MONO
[23:24] <BUGabundo> its FOSS
[23:26] <kklimonda> well, when I say C# I think Mono :)
[23:27] <BUGabundo> TORLFNGFE
[23:28] <kklimonda> sure.. what? :D
[23:40] <BUGabundo> just remembered
[23:40] <BUGabundo> Ubuntu policy is to have a *single* prog for each use
[23:41] <BUGabundo> but how will they integrate gwibber?
[23:41] <BUGabundo> akgraner: care to join in ?
[23:41] <BUGabundo> since we already have a client for IMing that handles µblogging
[23:42] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: pidgin doesn't handle ublogging in default setup
[23:42] <kklimonda> i think ;)
[23:42] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: also i hope we'll switch to empathy
[23:43] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: sure it does
[23:43] <BUGabundo> jaiku and idenica /laconica have xmpp bots
[23:44] <kklimonda> also gwibber has ugly interface :/
[23:44] <DanaG> I don't like empathy, because I can't use the Windows Pidgin with its logs.  =þ
[23:44] <DanaG> I like to have my logs work for both OSes.
[23:44] <kklimonda> true, i'm comparing all tools to twitterriffic
[23:44] <kklimonda> DanaG: Logs are the reason I've switched to google talk
[23:44] <kklimonda> it keeps them on server :)
[23:45] <kklimonda> empathy has nice VoIP support
[23:45] <kklimonda> well, *any* support is better than none at all ;)
[23:47] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: my pidgin talks over gtalk are also on the server
[23:47] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: that's why I like it - I can use any client on any OS and all my logs are stored on server. :)
[23:55] <maxb> Purely ooi, what piece of software creates the /tmp/virtual-<user>.<XXXXXX> directories ?
[23:56] <BUGabundo> kdepim ?
[23:57] <maxb> Nope, no KDE stuff installed here, pure GNOME
[23:57] <BUGabundo> can't track it
[23:58] <BUGabundo> anything usefull on the name?
[23:58] <BUGabundo> or is it just a mktemp file?
[23:58] <BUGabundo> no time that can be matched on the logs?