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BUGabundoguud evening00:20
* cwillu pokes BUGabundo with a stick00:48
cwilluhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evolution/+bug/38077500:48
ubottuUbuntu bug 380775 in evolution "[karmic] Evolution's prompt to unlock default keyring can't be cancelled or denied" [Undecided,New]00:48
BUGabundocwillu: my friend?00:49
BUGabundowho is it hanging on your side?00:49
BUGabundocwillu: err Escape key ?00:49
cwilluI've got an evolution password prompt that grabs the keyboard and refuses to go away :p00:49
cwilludoesn't work00:49
cwillujust pops back up a second later00:49
cwilluI just killall'd evolution from a vterm00:49
cwillubut it continually popped up for about 10 minutes there00:49
BUGabundoI had a stupid bug with compiz and kmail (actually pineentry) where it stood in background00:50
BUGabundospecially (and this one still happens) if there is a full screen app opened00:51
BUGabundogot me tricked a few times00:51
cwilluyep, that one was annoying too00:51
BUGabundofinally I replaced pineentry-qt with pineentry-gtk and it improved00:51
cwilluin other news, ikanobri analyzed me based on my musings in #ubuntu-offtopic and came up with http://ikanobori.jp/garbage/cwillu_analyzed.txt :p00:52
BUGabundocwillu: background / context please00:54
cwillujust out of the blue00:55
BUGabundoPRIMARY:DEFENSIVE SYMBOLIZATION:PASSIVITY                       3600:55
cwilluand everything I ever said in -offtopic I guess :p00:55
BUGabundoPRIMARY:SENSATION:COLD00:55
BUGabundoPRIMARY:NEED:SEX                                                 100:55
BUGabundooh damn00:55
DanaGAnyone know how to make ntfs-3g NOT take insane amounts of CPU (IOWAIT) usage during large file copy operations?01:23
DanaGGoing from NTFS-3G to NTFS-3g starts at around 50 megabytes per second.... and then drops down to around 5.01:23
BUGabundoDanaG: anwser 4201:25
cwillu"""The target for the Open Source NTFS-3G Driver is to provide similar performance to other file systems on a wide range of hardware platforms and operating systems. Meanwhile the Commercial NTFS-3G Driver focuses on the highest possible theoretical performance on the underlaying hardware architecture on the Linux platform and it provides 10-20 times better performance for instance by much higher throughput and/or much lower CPU utilization. """01:25
cwilluhttp://www.ntfs-3g.org/performance.html01:25
BUGabundoyou are lucky. for me from NTFS to fat it goes down to 1MiB/s01:25
DanaGAnd it brings nearly everything else to a sluggish state.01:26
DanaGI get much higher performance with either Windows copying ntfs-to-ntfs, or with Linux copying ext4 to ext3 or vice versa -- same drive in each case.01:27
DanaGer, same two physical drives, rather.01:27
* cwillu coughs, and repeats himself :p01:27
DanaGWhat, that page touting "awesome performance"?01:27
DanaGI hardly call bringing the system grinding to a halt... "awesome".01:27
cwilluof their commercial version of ntfs-3g01:27
DanaGoh.  Well, it's not even "similar" performance, actually.01:28
BUGabundoDanaG: I see the same01:28
BUGabundoso yeah its bad01:28
cwilluntfs-3g is crap01:28
DanaGIf Wine would implement surround sound... I could ditch native Windows once and for all.01:29
DanaGThat's about the last native Windows sort of thing I keep around: games.01:29
DanaGughm now it's down to 4 megs per second.01:30
BUGabundoDanaG: have you emailed the Manufacture and let them know about it?01:30
DanaGWhat manufacturer?01:30
DanaGs/what/which/01:30
DanaGWell, now at least it's un-bogged.... but it's still going slowly.01:31
BUGabundoDanaG: the one for the games01:31
DanaGValve is the manufacturer of most of them.01:32
DanaGOr rather, "Producer"01:32
DanaGbecause "manufacturer" implies "hardware" to me.01:32
BUGabundonot to me01:32
BUGabundobut ok01:32
BUGabundoso, have you ?01:32
DanaGNot sure what good that'd do.01:33
BUGabundohave you let them know you want to aquire their software but you need for it to run on Linux ?01:33
BUGabundoDanaG: its like using a BTS01:33
DanaGI already own the games, actually.01:33
BUGabundowhat good is you know a bug and not report it to the dev?01:33
BUGabundodo you want him to guess?01:33
BUGabundothis is the same01:33
BUGabundowho will "producer" ever change or support Linux, if nobody tells them?01:34
BUGabundoand just complain on IRC and linux MLs, and wine forums?01:34
DanaGwell, glad to know I'm not the only one finding ntfs-3g to be sluggish.01:36
BUGabundoeheh01:37
BUGabundoisn't the entire world?01:37
DanaGWell, at least I'm not using ntfs-3G over USB... that'd be ouch² (ouch squared).01:38
BUGabundoDanaG: I do....01:38
BUGabundoworse01:39
BUGabundoI do usb 2 usb01:39
* DanaG uses eSATA. :)01:39
BUGabundowell time for bed! cu tomorrow01:39
DanaGTue May 26 17:39:54 PDT 200901:39
DanaGwhat's your time zone?01:39
BUGabundoWed May 27 01:40:42 WEST 200901:40
BUGabundoneed to get up at 7am and do 80Km for out side work01:41
DanaGWEST?  Hmm, I have no clue where that is.  But yeah, have a good sleep, given the time.  :)01:41
BUGabundoGMT01:41
BUGabundoPortugal01:41
BUGabundoor is it GMT +1 due to Summer time?01:42
BUGabundobah01:42
BUGabundodon't disctract me eheh01:42
DanaGMmm, now just 3 megs per second.02:11
cwilluDanaG, copying to or from?02:19
cwilluif from, might remount using the kernel ntfs driver, probably faster02:20
DanaGFrom one to another.02:20
DanaGAnyway, it finally finished.  I don't often do huge file transfers like that, thankfully -- but it still sucks that it... sucks... so badly when I do do such file transfers.02:21
cwillusame physical drive you said?02:21
cwilluwonder if it would have been faster to copy to an ext partition first, and then bounce that back to the destination02:21
DanaGDifferent drive source and destination.02:23
DanaGWhat I meant by "same drive" was this:02:23
DanaGSource has ntfs and ext3, destination has ntfs and ext4.  copying ntfs->ntfs is slow either direction, but ext3<->ext4 is just fine.02:24
JorgeJorgessonI've tried to use vbox guest additions with 9.10 but all it does is corrupt my system and I have to reinstall.  Anyone get it to work?02:25
cwilluDanaG, just thinking that there may be contention inside the ntfs driver itself, and so copying ntfs -> either ext, and after copying ext back to the target ntfs might give a dramatic improvement in time02:26
cwillui.e., the difference between copying directly at 3mb/s vs making an extra copy, but the whole process running at 50mb/s instead.02:26
DanaGI don't know if I have enough spare space to do that.02:27
DanaGI'd be fine with it dividing down to 25 megs per second.... but going down to 5 is rather horrible.  And then it brings the rest of the system to its knees with iowait.02:27
DanaGBare benchmarks on the drives are 100 down to 70 on external, and 70 down to 40 on internal.02:28
DanaGThat's sequential read speeds with hdtach in windows.02:28
DanaGGranted, the internal one probably IS rather horribly fragmented.02:29
cwilluyou were going internal -> external?02:29
DanaGOther way around, in this case.  External is eSATA.02:29
DanaGAnd "100 down to 70" is "100 at start of drive, 70 at end of drive"02:29
cwilluah, ya, the fragmentation alone might be accountable for that performance then02:30
DanaGI find it funny (and irritating) how few sites benchmark Linux boot on the SSDs they test.02:32
DanaGNot even Phoronix benchmarks booting!02:32
DanaGoh yeah, anything about UEFI / grub2 in UDS?02:33
DanaGhttp://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ocz_vertex_ssd02:33
DanaGNote lack of benchmark of boot time.  How irritating.02:33
DanaGheh, I replaced my touchstick cap with ... an eraser.02:45
DanaGdamn, not durable enough to stay intact.02:46
cwilluI miss suspend02:47
* cwillu curses, empty xorg.0.log.old file :/02:48
DanaGargh, need new touchstyk cap.02:50
DanaGoh, and: http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=5&url=https%3A%2F%2Fbugs.launchpad.net%2Fubuntu%2F%2Bsource%2Fgsynaptics%2F%2Bbug%2F268506&ei=b5wcSsjiKZqQswPFwOCSDw&usg=AFQjCNElccvRmvBWspCYFctx2mlE10gF7w&sig2=Y4R5sNEouMQOj2tjI8LewQ02:50
DanaGer02:50
DanaGdamn googlified link.02:50
DanaGhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gsynaptics/+bug/26850602:51
ubottuUbuntu bug 268506 in gsynaptics "Cannot configure Synaptics TouchStyk settings (e.g. sensitivity, tapping, press/select)" [Undecided,Incomplete]02:51
DanaGwhose bright idea was it to break out the stick as a separate, non-configurable device, rather than leaving it a slave of the pad?02:58
DanaGSome great idea that was/02:58
DanaG.02:58
cwilluis there an easy way to attach a file to an existing bugreport from the command line?03:08
cwilluand whoever wrote "assert k.replace('.', '').isalnum()" in problem_report.py:479 needs to think about the implications of replacing every character with "" ... :(03:18
crdlbevery character?03:21
cwilluthat's what '.' does :p03:21
crdlbthat's not regex03:21
cwilluyou're right03:21
* cwillu smacks head03:21
cwilluit's still wrong though03:21
cwilludashes and underscores are used, and they don't match isalnum03:22
cwillui.e., apport-collect -p xorg fails right now03:22
DanaGhmm, I tried the xinput2 PPA.... it didn't fix my high keycodes.04:09
DanaGAnd it broke my touchpad.  :(04:10
DanaGLuckily, my Koala is on a spare drive, not my primary drive.  =þ04:10
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shadeslayeranyone who has kde 4.3 and 9.10 karmic??05:56
shadeslayeranyone who has karmic??05:57
StupendoussteveProbably most of the people in here :D05:59
shadeslayerStupendoussteve: ok can you tell me how often it crashes?? im thinking of installing06:00
StupendoussteveIt doesn't crash often. Package updates have been known to break it.06:01
StupendoussteveIf you can't deal with not having a functional GUI because the new HAL package is broken for a day, you might not want to use Karmic06:02
shadeslayerStupendoussteve: ok.....just thinking of installing :)06:02
shadeslayerah......06:02
Stupendousstevethey try to avoid it but things happen06:02
shadeslayeractually the main problem is that i cant get KDE 4.3 in Jaunty06:03
StupendoussteveIt's not in Karmic yet06:04
shadeslayerStupendoussteve: actually it is :)06:05
StupendoussteveNot according to packages.ubuntu.com06:05
StupendoussteveDoes it have a different name?06:05
shadeslayerStupendoussteve: it says so on kubuntu.org06:05
StupendoussteveThat's 4.3 beta, btw. I don't know what the package names are06:07
shadeslayerStupendoussteve: yes,its probably kde-nightly or something simialr,just check apt-cache search kde-nightly06:08
StupendoussteveWhoops :)06:10
StupendoussteveNo such package btw06:10
shadeslayerbleh06:11
AmaranthStupendoussteve: It's just the KDE packages, but 4.3 beta version06:42
Amaranthno special naming06:43
StupendoussteveThen the site is out of date :)06:43
Amaranthof course KDE is junk anyway so...06:43
* Amaranth runs06:43
Stupendousstevehehe06:43
shadeslayerStupendoussteve: you there??07:43
shadeslayercan i mount the downloaded ISO from my HD and then upgrade using that as the alternate CD??07:44
shadeslayerbug107:46
shadeslayerbug 107:46
ubottuhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1 (Timeout)07:46
shadeslayer"P07:47
druid_of_systemhi everyone08:03
shadeslayerhal is broken right??08:17
shadeslayerill leave that out in the updates then :P08:20
shadeslayeranyone here??08:28
SwedeMikepeople will reply if they see your message and know something08:29
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shadeslayerSwedeMike: i did post my message earlier...08:29
shadeslayercan i update via mounting the ISO ??08:30
SwedeMikeas I said, there is no use in posting it again, when people see it they will reply.08:31
shadeslayerok08:32
shadeslayerthe ISO will be done downloading in 7 min :P08:32
shadeslayerdone..i see a script for updating...ill verify md5 first08:41
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peterzdoes ubuntu ship debuginfo package like fedora does?09:12
shadeslayerpeterz: its in the repo09:13
peterzwhat are they called?09:13
peterzsay, I'm looking for the debug symbols of gnu-make09:13
shadeslayerpeterz: they will have -dbg in the end09:14
peterzshadeslayer: right, then I might be missing a repo because make-dbg isn't a known package here09:15
shadeslayerpeterz: maybe...maybe not09:16
shadeslayerone sec09:16
shadeslayer!info gnu-make-dbg09:16
ubottuPackage gnu-make-dbg does not exist in karmic09:16
peterz!info make-dbg09:16
ubottuPackage make-dbg does not exist in karmic09:16
peterzwhee09:17
shadeslayerpeterz: try to fish in PM...also try !find package09:17
peterzanyway, say it did exists, would it install crap in /usr/lib/debug/ like fedora does09:17
Zodiarchehello12:09
Zodiarchehave a problem with the sound. when i start ubuntu i have no sound. the welcome sound at login screen comes. but when i want to hear music on banshee or rythmbox or other applications it is muted, dont know why12:09
Zodiarcheno one some idea?12:12
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BluesKaj'Morning15:59
charlie-tcaHello, BluesKaj16:06
BluesKajhi charlie-tca16:08
lubomirhello. is there a 9.10 live cd?16:12
BluesKajlubomir, Alpha 1 Released: see http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/karmic/alpha116:17
lubomirBluesKaj, have the server or alternative version graphical bootup to "just use" it as live cd?16:17
BluesKajlive cds are usually only avaialble after the release is "official" and ou tof the testing phase afaik16:20
BluesKajI upgraded thru the internet and adding the source repos to my sources.list thenupgrading as it expalins on the above URL16:21
lubomirBluesKaj, did you know an other live cd with kernel version 30 and networkmanager 0.7.1?16:21
BluesKajno16:21
BluesKajI try not to get too far ahead16:22
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v6lurestonian translation is totally broken in kubuntu kk17:18
v6lurplus, estonian couldn't be selected as locale during setup17:19
BluesKajv6lur, install language-support-et17:25
v6lurBluesKaj: i didn't say missing. i said broken17:25
BluesKajpurge/remove and reinstall17:25
v6lurhalf the strings on screen are in english17:25
v6lurplus stuff like & instead of underscore17:26
v6lurin menus17:26
v6lurunderline*17:26
PiciIs the translation finished in rosetta? or does the package just not contain what should be there?17:26
v6lurdunno, it's fine in e.g. mandriva (cooker)17:27
Piciv6lur: Doesn't look like translations have opened for Karmic yet.17:32
Picihttps://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic17:32
PiciI don't know a lot about the translations workflow, so I'm not sure if this is normal for this stage in the release cycle.17:32
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kklimondaDoes Empathy in KK support appending to notification bubble already?19:06
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kklimondais KK going to have X.Org 7.5?20:48
kklimondawas it even in plans before it has been delayed?20:49
mrwes\o/ I have sound today!21:40
BUGabundoyep there's a PA update21:41
BUGabundohave to reboot to enjoy it21:41
mrwesI realized that21:41
sagredohi friends. does anyone know a way to turn on/off  notifications?21:41
mrwesinstall Ibex21:42
BUGabundomrwes: +121:46
BUGabundosagredo: or gnome straciatela session21:46
mrwesI for one, like the notifications -- hopefully we'll get some customization in Karmic21:47
mrwese.g. -- location, size, color. etcc21:47
BUGabundomrwes: they do21:47
BUGabundosee the BP21:47
mrwesyah so I've read21:48
samdi want to help on testing/doing whatever i can do to help develop karmic koala, is it safe to install it in the same hdd as my main instalation? or should i install on a separate hdd?21:49
BUGabundosamd: NO21:51
mrwessamd, hrmm...that's a personal choice21:51
BUGabundoit can and will cause breakage21:51
mrwesyou could put in in a VB21:51
BUGabundoyou are expected to be able to get your self out of trouble21:51
mrwesme I didn't care and upgrade to the alpha from Jaunty21:51
BUGabundoLOL21:51
mrwesreinstalling to me is not biggie21:51
BUGabundomrwes: as you know I did it even before alpha21:52
mrwesno*21:52
mrwesheh21:52
mrwesshrug...21:52
mrweshowever, I only did it so I could come in here and bitch when things are broken21:52
mrwesheh21:52
BUGabundoyou missed us, admit21:53
samdBUGabundo: yeah, i get my way around problems, installing in virtualbox sounds like a good choice21:53
mrwesNormally, I don't put anything on my HDD until RC21:53
mrwesbut I must have been drinking too much Scotch and didn't care this time21:53
BUGabundoLOL21:53
samdmrwes: yeah, i think ill install it in VB, lol21:54
samdlol21:54
mrwessamd, well if you have a big enough HDD, you could setup a 'testing' partition and put it on there21:54
samdmrwes: ill do that, after my new SSD arrives21:55
samdill use this drive for testing/backup21:55
* BUGabundo is envious of "new SSDs21:55
mrwesI've been using the 'upgrade' feature as of lately -- trying to see if it actually works :)21:55
BUGabundosamd: feel free to send me the old ones21:55
mrweshow big of an SSD did you get?21:55
samdmrwes: 80gig21:56
mrwesnewegg had some good prices as of late21:56
mrweshrmm.. how much $$21:56
samdya, intel x-25m 80 gig, 324 usd21:56
mrwesI just put a 1TB eSATA on my server21:56
mrwesouch21:56
samdmrwes: its a bit extensive, i could get a cheaper one, but i read intel had the best ones, the fasters, and the more reliable talking about wear21:57
BUGabundosamd: I read the sam21:57
BUGabundo*same21:57
mrwesic21:58
samdBUGabundo: yeah, thats why i droped a little more $$ on the intel21:58
mrwescertainly more $$ than my new eSATA drive :)21:58
samdmrwes: yeah21:58
mrwes:)21:58
samdmrwes: how much u dropeed21:58
mrwes$84, for a WD and I put it inside a Roswell enclosure w/ a fan21:59
mrweshundie total maybe21:59
samdmrwes: nice, how much rpm?21:59
mrweshttp://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682213631722:00
mrwes32mb cache22:01
Pici!offtopic22:01
ubottu#ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, for all Ubuntu-related support questions. Please use #ubuntu-offtopic for other topics. Thanks!22:01
mrwescome on...no one else is even talking...22:01
mrwessigh22:01
PiciSo? Whats wrong with joining #ubuntu-offtopic and talking there?22:01
samdmrwes: good deal22:02
samdPici: ight, sorry22:02
mrwesnuttin22:02
mrwesfunny how sometimes you can come in here and ask a legitimate question -- dead silence22:02
mrwesmention something OT and b00m22:03
mrweslots of activity :)22:03
BUGabundoahaah22:03
BUGabundoyeah22:03
samdmrwes:  yah lol, well i came asking a legitime question22:03
mrwessamd, welp -- you set me up with OT questions22:03
samd:p22:04
mrwesPici: have you noticed since Jaunty that the notification area does not resize when icons are removed?22:04
mrwesPici: kinda looks like swiss cheese up there sometimes22:04
mrwesthey should slide right or left when icons leave the area22:04
mrwesany plans to fix that?22:05
mrwes@)22:05
BUGabundomrwes: works for me22:06
mrweshrmm...22:06
BUGabundomrwes: samd: #ubuntu-diskspeed if you please22:06
mrwesBUGabundo, just killed Evolution and that time the notificaiton area slide left like it should22:09
BUGabundomrwes: #ubuntu-diskspeed if you please22:10
mrwesso polite22:10
druupyupdatEd to 9.1 and now my E kEy will only work if I usE shift22:15
druupygEt this, EvEn thE virtual kEyboard won't do it!22:15
BUGabundodruupy: ROLG22:16
BUGabundoyou are going to kill me eheheeh22:16
druupyplEasE this problEm is crippling mE!22:17
BUGabundodruupy: its true? not a joke?22:18
druupyNO JOKE22:18
druupyshift E works22:18
druupylowEr casE doEsn't22:18
druupyi don't think its a krnl issuE as I still havE thE krnl from 8.x22:19
BUGabundodruupy: stupid question: is it jammed?22:19
druupyshift works22:19
druupyshift-E22:20
BUGabundodoes a LiveCD reproduce it ?22:20
druupyi updatd intrnt22:20
druupynot by livEcd22:20
druupythE kEy works up until th login managEr taks my password (which has a E in it)22:20
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druupyAFTER that, it stops working22:21
druupyis thErE a kEyboard mapping in X/gnom/KDE?22:22
BUGabundoseems you found a bug22:22
BUGabundobetter report it22:23
BUGabundobut don't exepct much attention until before the end of the week/uds22:23
druupyi havE no way to rEproducE it, only on PC22:23
druupy2 macs, onE PC22:23
BUGabundocan you get a daily iso, put it onto usb and test again?22:24
druupyhaving no othr choicE i'll havE to22:24
druupyi was hoping this was a known bug22:24
BUGabundodruupy: this have been calm all week22:26
aranddruupy: can you use onboard to produce versal e ?22:27
druupy?22:28
druupyxplain22:28
BUGabundoarand: he already said he can't22:28
druupyif you mEan virt-kb no22:28
druupyit won't work Eithr22:29
arandoh, yea saw that post just now...22:30
druupyhttp://pastebin.com/m4af48eb422:30
druupywhn I click E with xEv running22:30
BUGabundowhat damn.. I have audio in flash if I don't put it above 50%22:34
BUGabundolol22:34
BUGabundo2 weeks ago I only had , if volume was above 65%22:34
* Twigathy giggles at the 'E' problem upchannel, poor druupy c_c22:48
druupy:P22:48
TwigathyThere's a famous book which does not use the letter E at all22:48
BUGabundoand there we go OT again22:49
* BUGabundo sits back and reads22:49
TwigathyOT, but: http://www.spinelessbooks.com/gadsby/ :-)22:49
TwigathyIn other news: I saw a kernel update just a few days back, should really test that blkid CPU time munching bug ...22:50
BUGabundoyesteday I think22:50
mrwes!ot22:50
ubottu#ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, for all Ubuntu-related support questions. Please use #ubuntu-offtopic for other topics. Thanks!22:50
BUGabundoor two days ago22:51
mrwes:P22:51
BUGabundonow you are tanting us Bill?22:51
Twigathymrwes: *grin* will bear that in mind next time ;)22:51
mrwesme?22:51
mrwesheh22:51
BUGabundo  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/foundations-karmic-grub222:52
BUGabundoGrub2 as default22:52
BUGabundoWOOT22:52
BUGabundo" Karmic +1 to drop grub 1?"22:53
BUGabundo        change menu.lst in grub 1 - with zero timeout and chainload grub222:53
TwigathyAny big advantages of grub2 over grub1?22:54
Twigathyooo, EFI booting... might have to stuff ubuntu back on the mac..22:55
BUGabundo    - currently grub cannot boot from /boot for LVM, needs to use lilo.22:56
BUGabundo    - check if grub2 can boot /boot LVM - and hence remove the need for the lilo on ISO22:56
Twigathyahha.22:56
TwigathySo long as I can keep my initramfs-tools 'boot=nfs' and hack up menu.lst every kernel update I'm cool with anything =)22:56
BUGabundo * grub2 EFI/UEFI22:57
BUGabundo   Mac and x86 PC with EFI support needs checking22:57
BUGabundo  user holds key - e.g. press shift shows menu, otherwise just continue boot process22:59
BUGabundohere is one *we* will have to explain to every single user coming by22:59
Twigathy"Why can't I press escape any more?!"23:00
BUGabundobetter get a factoid ready and have bot auto replying to it23:00
Twigathyhehe23:00
BUGabundoeheh Twigathy right23:00
TwigathyMaybe it'd be worth having esc. as a key you can hit as well as holding shift to save some pain ;)23:00
BUGabundobut really why change from a very well known to key to an unespected one ?23:00
TwigathyGoodness knows23:00
bruce89hello anyway23:01
BUGabundohey bruce23:03
BUGabundowelcome23:03
bruce89hola23:03
BUGabundoremmeber: NO OT23:03
BUGabundoeeh23:03
bruce89of course, I'll behave23:03
mrwesKarmic won't mount a DVD23:03
mrwes[ 5789.917332] hal-storage-mou[7889]: segfault at 0 ip 0804a9f2 sp bfd45d00 error 4 in hal-storage-mount[8048000+7000]23:03
BUGabundomrwes: ROFL23:03
BUGabundothat's just your Disc23:03
mrwessigh23:03
BUGabundoor the gvpau bug23:03
BUGabundomy log is filled with that23:03
mrwesuh?23:03
BUGabundoand all devs are at UDS23:04
BUGabundobruce89: fill free to PVT mt23:04
mrwessigh23:04
mrwesneeded to handbrake a DVD23:04
mrwesguess not23:04
mrwesguess I can do it from the server23:05
mrweswith vobcopy23:05
BUGabundomrwes: also bad news: no more vobcopy on KK23:06
mrwesWTF?23:06
mrwescome on! you're kiddin' right?23:06
BUGabundocheck packages23:06
mrwesheh..it's there23:06
BUGabundodropped23:06
BUGabundomrwes: because you upgrade23:06
BUGabundono longer in archive23:06
mrwesahh23:07
BUGabundo*upgraded23:07
mrwescan I backport ?23:07
maxbBUGabundo: Huh? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vobcopy23:08
BUGabundosure you can23:08
BUGabundobut if upstream dropped (or debian) for some reason23:08
BUGabundomaxb: or maybe me my memory is playing tricks on me23:08
kklimondait is23:08
BUGabundoI know at least on DVD copying program was on my to remove list23:08
mrweshrmm23:09
mrwesI can always vobcopy from my server23:09
BUGabundokklimonda: it is what?23:09
mrwessince I can't mount a DVD on KK23:10
mrweser23:10
kklimondait [your memory] is playing tricks on you ;)23:10
mrwesI might have to put Jaunty back on then23:10
mrwesfor real23:10
mrwesweird, the DVD lable shows up, but it's not mounted23:11
mrwesunknown error23:12
bruce89best be off before I get banned23:13
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BUGabundohumm newer kerner or NM, is making my 3G much better YAY23:14
kklimondaBUGabundo: does it mean you will fight me to the first blood over C-sharp? ;D23:22
BUGabundonever23:22
BUGabundoI'm not a Code lover23:23
kklimonda:)23:23
kklimondawell, I'm a python lover myself but I can appreciate C# as a language for Linux.. well, Vala would be better..23:24
BUGabundoso do MONO23:24
BUGabundoits FOSS23:24
kklimondawell, when I say C# I think Mono :)23:26
BUGabundoTORLFNGFE23:27
kklimondasure.. what? :D23:28
BUGabundojust remembered23:40
BUGabundoUbuntu policy is to have a *single* prog for each use23:40
BUGabundobut how will they integrate gwibber?23:41
BUGabundoakgraner: care to join in ?23:41
BUGabundosince we already have a client for IMing that handles µblogging23:41
kklimondaBUGabundo: pidgin doesn't handle ublogging in default setup23:42
kklimondai think ;)23:42
kklimondaBUGabundo: also i hope we'll switch to empathy23:42
BUGabundokklimonda: sure it does23:43
BUGabundojaiku and idenica /laconica have xmpp bots23:43
kklimondaalso gwibber has ugly interface :/23:44
DanaGI don't like empathy, because I can't use the Windows Pidgin with its logs.  =þ23:44
DanaGI like to have my logs work for both OSes.23:44
kklimondatrue, i'm comparing all tools to twitterriffic23:44
kklimondaDanaG: Logs are the reason I've switched to google talk23:44
kklimondait keeps them on server :)23:44
kklimondaempathy has nice VoIP support23:45
kklimondawell, *any* support is better than none at all ;)23:45
BUGabundokklimonda: my pidgin talks over gtalk are also on the server23:47
kklimondaBUGabundo: that's why I like it - I can use any client on any OS and all my logs are stored on server. :)23:47
maxbPurely ooi, what piece of software creates the /tmp/virtual-<user>.<XXXXXX> directories ?23:55
BUGabundokdepim ?23:56
maxbNope, no KDE stuff installed here, pure GNOME23:57
BUGabundocan't track it23:57
BUGabundoanything usefull on the name?23:58
BUGabundoor is it just a mktemp file?23:58
BUGabundono time that can be matched on the logs?23:58

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