[00:20] guud evening [00:48] * cwillu pokes BUGabundo with a stick [00:48] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evolution/+bug/380775 [00:48] Ubuntu bug 380775 in evolution "[karmic] Evolution's prompt to unlock default keyring can't be cancelled or denied" [Undecided,New] [00:49] cwillu: my friend? [00:49] who is it hanging on your side? [00:49] cwillu: err Escape key ? [00:49] I've got an evolution password prompt that grabs the keyboard and refuses to go away :p [00:49] doesn't work [00:49] just pops back up a second later [00:49] I just killall'd evolution from a vterm [00:49] but it continually popped up for about 10 minutes there [00:50] I had a stupid bug with compiz and kmail (actually pineentry) where it stood in background [00:51] specially (and this one still happens) if there is a full screen app opened [00:51] got me tricked a few times [00:51] yep, that one was annoying too [00:51] finally I replaced pineentry-qt with pineentry-gtk and it improved [00:52] in other news, ikanobri analyzed me based on my musings in #ubuntu-offtopic and came up with http://ikanobori.jp/garbage/cwillu_analyzed.txt :p [00:54] cwillu: background / context please [00:55] just out of the blue [00:55] PRIMARY:DEFENSIVE SYMBOLIZATION:PASSIVITY 36 [00:55] and everything I ever said in -offtopic I guess :p [00:55] PRIMARY:SENSATION:COLD [00:55] PRIMARY:NEED:SEX 1 [00:55] oh damn [01:23] Anyone know how to make ntfs-3g NOT take insane amounts of CPU (IOWAIT) usage during large file copy operations? [01:23] Going from NTFS-3G to NTFS-3g starts at around 50 megabytes per second.... and then drops down to around 5. [01:25] DanaG: anwser 42 [01:25] """The target for the Open Source NTFS-3G Driver is to provide similar performance to other file systems on a wide range of hardware platforms and operating systems. Meanwhile the Commercial NTFS-3G Driver focuses on the highest possible theoretical performance on the underlaying hardware architecture on the Linux platform and it provides 10-20 times better performance for instance by much higher throughput and/or much lower CPU utilization. """ [01:25] http://www.ntfs-3g.org/performance.html [01:25] you are lucky. for me from NTFS to fat it goes down to 1MiB/s [01:26] And it brings nearly everything else to a sluggish state. [01:27] I get much higher performance with either Windows copying ntfs-to-ntfs, or with Linux copying ext4 to ext3 or vice versa -- same drive in each case. [01:27] er, same two physical drives, rather. [01:27] * cwillu coughs, and repeats himself :p [01:27] What, that page touting "awesome performance"? [01:27] I hardly call bringing the system grinding to a halt... "awesome". [01:27] of their commercial version of ntfs-3g [01:28] oh. Well, it's not even "similar" performance, actually. [01:28] DanaG: I see the same [01:28] so yeah its bad [01:28] ntfs-3g is crap [01:29] If Wine would implement surround sound... I could ditch native Windows once and for all. [01:29] That's about the last native Windows sort of thing I keep around: games. [01:30] ughm now it's down to 4 megs per second. [01:30] DanaG: have you emailed the Manufacture and let them know about it? [01:30] What manufacturer? [01:30] s/what/which/ [01:31] Well, now at least it's un-bogged.... but it's still going slowly. [01:31] DanaG: the one for the games [01:32] Valve is the manufacturer of most of them. [01:32] Or rather, "Producer" [01:32] because "manufacturer" implies "hardware" to me. [01:32] not to me [01:32] but ok [01:32] so, have you ? [01:33] Not sure what good that'd do. [01:33] have you let them know you want to aquire their software but you need for it to run on Linux ? [01:33] DanaG: its like using a BTS [01:33] I already own the games, actually. [01:33] what good is you know a bug and not report it to the dev? [01:33] do you want him to guess? [01:33] this is the same [01:34] who will "producer" ever change or support Linux, if nobody tells them? [01:34] and just complain on IRC and linux MLs, and wine forums? [01:36] well, glad to know I'm not the only one finding ntfs-3g to be sluggish. [01:37] eheh [01:37] isn't the entire world? [01:38] Well, at least I'm not using ntfs-3G over USB... that'd be ouch² (ouch squared). [01:38] DanaG: I do.... [01:39] worse [01:39] I do usb 2 usb [01:39] * DanaG uses eSATA. :) [01:39] well time for bed! cu tomorrow [01:39] Tue May 26 17:39:54 PDT 2009 [01:39] what's your time zone? [01:40] Wed May 27 01:40:42 WEST 2009 [01:41] need to get up at 7am and do 80Km for out side work [01:41] WEST? Hmm, I have no clue where that is. But yeah, have a good sleep, given the time. :) [01:41] GMT [01:41] Portugal [01:42] or is it GMT +1 due to Summer time? [01:42] bah [01:42] don't disctract me eheh [02:11] Mmm, now just 3 megs per second. [02:19] DanaG, copying to or from? [02:20] if from, might remount using the kernel ntfs driver, probably faster [02:20] From one to another. [02:21] Anyway, it finally finished. I don't often do huge file transfers like that, thankfully -- but it still sucks that it... sucks... so badly when I do do such file transfers. [02:21] same physical drive you said? [02:21] wonder if it would have been faster to copy to an ext partition first, and then bounce that back to the destination [02:23] Different drive source and destination. [02:23] What I meant by "same drive" was this: [02:24] Source has ntfs and ext3, destination has ntfs and ext4. copying ntfs->ntfs is slow either direction, but ext3<->ext4 is just fine. [02:25] I've tried to use vbox guest additions with 9.10 but all it does is corrupt my system and I have to reinstall. Anyone get it to work? [02:26] DanaG, just thinking that there may be contention inside the ntfs driver itself, and so copying ntfs -> either ext, and after copying ext back to the target ntfs might give a dramatic improvement in time [02:26] i.e., the difference between copying directly at 3mb/s vs making an extra copy, but the whole process running at 50mb/s instead. [02:27] I don't know if I have enough spare space to do that. [02:27] I'd be fine with it dividing down to 25 megs per second.... but going down to 5 is rather horrible. And then it brings the rest of the system to its knees with iowait. [02:28] Bare benchmarks on the drives are 100 down to 70 on external, and 70 down to 40 on internal. [02:28] That's sequential read speeds with hdtach in windows. [02:29] Granted, the internal one probably IS rather horribly fragmented. [02:29] you were going internal -> external? [02:29] Other way around, in this case. External is eSATA. [02:29] And "100 down to 70" is "100 at start of drive, 70 at end of drive" [02:30] ah, ya, the fragmentation alone might be accountable for that performance then [02:32] I find it funny (and irritating) how few sites benchmark Linux boot on the SSDs they test. [02:32] Not even Phoronix benchmarks booting! [02:33] oh yeah, anything about UEFI / grub2 in UDS? [02:33] http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ocz_vertex_ssd [02:33] Note lack of benchmark of boot time. How irritating. [02:45] heh, I replaced my touchstick cap with ... an eraser. [02:46] damn, not durable enough to stay intact. [02:47] I miss suspend [02:48] * cwillu curses, empty xorg.0.log.old file :/ [02:50] argh, need new touchstyk cap. [02:50] oh, and: http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=5&url=https%3A%2F%2Fbugs.launchpad.net%2Fubuntu%2F%2Bsource%2Fgsynaptics%2F%2Bbug%2F268506&ei=b5wcSsjiKZqQswPFwOCSDw&usg=AFQjCNElccvRmvBWspCYFctx2mlE10gF7w&sig2=Y4R5sNEouMQOj2tjI8LewQ [02:50] er [02:50] damn googlified link. [02:51] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gsynaptics/+bug/268506 [02:51] Ubuntu bug 268506 in gsynaptics "Cannot configure Synaptics TouchStyk settings (e.g. sensitivity, tapping, press/select)" [Undecided,Incomplete] [02:58] whose bright idea was it to break out the stick as a separate, non-configurable device, rather than leaving it a slave of the pad? [02:58] Some great idea that was/ [02:58] . [03:08] is there an easy way to attach a file to an existing bugreport from the command line? [03:18] and whoever wrote "assert k.replace('.', '').isalnum()" in problem_report.py:479 needs to think about the implications of replacing every character with "" ... :( [03:21] every character? [03:21] that's what '.' does :p [03:21] that's not regex [03:21] you're right [03:21] * cwillu smacks head [03:21] it's still wrong though [03:22] dashes and underscores are used, and they don't match isalnum [03:22] i.e., apport-collect -p xorg fails right now [04:09] hmm, I tried the xinput2 PPA.... it didn't fix my high keycodes. [04:10] And it broke my touchpad. :( [04:10] Luckily, my Koala is on a spare drive, not my primary drive. =þ === pace_t_zulu_ is now known as pace_t_zulu === _Siegfried is now known as Siegfried [05:56] anyone who has kde 4.3 and 9.10 karmic?? [05:57] anyone who has karmic?? [05:59] Probably most of the people in here :D [06:00] Stupendoussteve: ok can you tell me how often it crashes?? im thinking of installing [06:01] It doesn't crash often. Package updates have been known to break it. [06:02] If you can't deal with not having a functional GUI because the new HAL package is broken for a day, you might not want to use Karmic [06:02] Stupendoussteve: ok.....just thinking of installing :) [06:02] ah...... [06:02] they try to avoid it but things happen [06:03] actually the main problem is that i cant get KDE 4.3 in Jaunty [06:04] It's not in Karmic yet [06:05] Stupendoussteve: actually it is :) [06:05] Not according to packages.ubuntu.com [06:05] Does it have a different name? [06:05] Stupendoussteve: it says so on kubuntu.org [06:07] That's 4.3 beta, btw. I don't know what the package names are [06:08] Stupendoussteve: yes,its probably kde-nightly or something simialr,just check apt-cache search kde-nightly [06:10] Whoops :) [06:10] No such package btw [06:11] bleh [06:42] Stupendoussteve: It's just the KDE packages, but 4.3 beta version [06:43] no special naming [06:43] Then the site is out of date :) [06:43] of course KDE is junk anyway so... [06:43] * Amaranth runs [06:43] hehe [07:43] Stupendoussteve: you there?? [07:44] can i mount the downloaded ISO from my HD and then upgrade using that as the alternate CD?? [07:46] bug1 [07:46] bug 1 [07:46] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1 (Timeout) [07:47] "P [08:03] hi everyone [08:17] hal is broken right?? [08:20] ill leave that out in the updates then :P [08:28] anyone here?? [08:29] people will reply if they see your message and know something === MaWaLe1 is now known as MaWaLe [08:29] SwedeMike: i did post my message earlier... [08:30] can i update via mounting the ISO ?? [08:31] as I said, there is no use in posting it again, when people see it they will reply. [08:32] ok [08:32] the ISO will be done downloading in 7 min :P [08:41] done..i see a script for updating...ill verify md5 first === jussio1 is now known as jussi01 [09:12] does ubuntu ship debuginfo package like fedora does? [09:13] peterz: its in the repo [09:13] what are they called? [09:13] say, I'm looking for the debug symbols of gnu-make [09:14] peterz: they will have -dbg in the end [09:15] shadeslayer: right, then I might be missing a repo because make-dbg isn't a known package here [09:16] peterz: maybe...maybe not [09:16] one sec [09:16] !info gnu-make-dbg [09:16] Package gnu-make-dbg does not exist in karmic [09:16] !info make-dbg [09:16] Package make-dbg does not exist in karmic [09:17] whee [09:17] peterz: try to fish in PM...also try !find package [09:17] anyway, say it did exists, would it install crap in /usr/lib/debug/ like fedora does [12:09] hello [12:09] have a problem with the sound. when i start ubuntu i have no sound. the welcome sound at login screen comes. but when i want to hear music on banshee or rythmbox or other applications it is muted, dont know why [12:12] no one some idea? === yofel_ is now known as yofel === yofel_ is now known as yofel === peterz` is now known as peterz === nielsslot_ is now known as nielsslot [15:59] 'Morning [16:06] Hello, BluesKaj [16:08] hi charlie-tca [16:12] hello. is there a 9.10 live cd? [16:17] lubomir, Alpha 1 Released: see http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/karmic/alpha1 [16:17] BluesKaj, have the server or alternative version graphical bootup to "just use" it as live cd? [16:20] live cds are usually only avaialble after the release is "official" and ou tof the testing phase afaik [16:21] I upgraded thru the internet and adding the source repos to my sources.list thenupgrading as it expalins on the above URL [16:21] BluesKaj, did you know an other live cd with kernel version 30 and networkmanager 0.7.1? [16:21] no [16:22] I try not to get too far ahead === geser_ is now known as geser [17:18] estonian translation is totally broken in kubuntu kk [17:19] plus, estonian couldn't be selected as locale during setup [17:25] v6lur, install language-support-et [17:25] BluesKaj: i didn't say missing. i said broken [17:25] purge/remove and reinstall [17:25] half the strings on screen are in english [17:26] plus stuff like & instead of underscore [17:26] in menus [17:26] underline* [17:26] Is the translation finished in rosetta? or does the package just not contain what should be there? [17:27] dunno, it's fine in e.g. mandriva (cooker) [17:32] v6lur: Doesn't look like translations have opened for Karmic yet. [17:32] https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic [17:32] I don't know a lot about the translations workflow, so I'm not sure if this is normal for this stage in the release cycle. === thekorn_ is now known as thekorn === detrate- is now known as detrate === detrate is now known as detrate- === detrate- is now known as detrate [19:06] Does Empathy in KK support appending to notification bubble already? === kklimonda_ is now known as kklimonda === ttilberg is now known as ttilberg|away === elpargo_ is now known as elpargo [20:48] is KK going to have X.Org 7.5? [20:49] was it even in plans before it has been delayed? [21:40] \o/ I have sound today! [21:41] yep there's a PA update [21:41] have to reboot to enjoy it [21:41] I realized that [21:41] hi friends. does anyone know a way to turn on/off notifications? [21:42] install Ibex [21:46] mrwes: +1 [21:46] sagredo: or gnome straciatela session [21:47] I for one, like the notifications -- hopefully we'll get some customization in Karmic [21:47] e.g. -- location, size, color. etcc [21:47] mrwes: they do [21:47] see the BP [21:48] yah so I've read [21:49] i want to help on testing/doing whatever i can do to help develop karmic koala, is it safe to install it in the same hdd as my main instalation? or should i install on a separate hdd? [21:51] samd: NO [21:51] samd, hrmm...that's a personal choice [21:51] it can and will cause breakage [21:51] you could put in in a VB [21:51] you are expected to be able to get your self out of trouble [21:51] me I didn't care and upgrade to the alpha from Jaunty [21:51] LOL [21:51] reinstalling to me is not biggie [21:52] mrwes: as you know I did it even before alpha [21:52] no* [21:52] heh [21:52] shrug... [21:52] however, I only did it so I could come in here and bitch when things are broken [21:52] heh [21:53] you missed us, admit [21:53] BUGabundo: yeah, i get my way around problems, installing in virtualbox sounds like a good choice [21:53] Normally, I don't put anything on my HDD until RC [21:53] but I must have been drinking too much Scotch and didn't care this time [21:53] LOL [21:54] mrwes: yeah, i think ill install it in VB, lol [21:54] lol [21:54] samd, well if you have a big enough HDD, you could setup a 'testing' partition and put it on there [21:55] mrwes: ill do that, after my new SSD arrives [21:55] ill use this drive for testing/backup [21:55] * BUGabundo is envious of "new SSDs [21:55] I've been using the 'upgrade' feature as of lately -- trying to see if it actually works :) [21:55] samd: feel free to send me the old ones [21:55] how big of an SSD did you get? [21:56] mrwes: 80gig [21:56] newegg had some good prices as of late [21:56] hrmm.. how much $$ [21:56] ya, intel x-25m 80 gig, 324 usd [21:56] I just put a 1TB eSATA on my server [21:56] ouch [21:57] mrwes: its a bit extensive, i could get a cheaper one, but i read intel had the best ones, the fasters, and the more reliable talking about wear [21:57] samd: I read the sam [21:57] *same [21:58] ic [21:58] BUGabundo: yeah, thats why i droped a little more $$ on the intel [21:58] certainly more $$ than my new eSATA drive :) [21:58] mrwes: yeah [21:58] :) [21:58] mrwes: how much u dropeed [21:59] $84, for a WD and I put it inside a Roswell enclosure w/ a fan [21:59] hundie total maybe [21:59] mrwes: nice, how much rpm? [22:00] http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136317 [22:01] 32mb cache [22:01] !offtopic [22:01] #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, for all Ubuntu-related support questions. Please use #ubuntu-offtopic for other topics. Thanks! [22:01] come on...no one else is even talking... [22:01] sigh [22:01] So? Whats wrong with joining #ubuntu-offtopic and talking there? [22:02] mrwes: good deal [22:02] Pici: ight, sorry [22:02] nuttin [22:02] funny how sometimes you can come in here and ask a legitimate question -- dead silence [22:03] mention something OT and b00m [22:03] lots of activity :) [22:03] ahaah [22:03] yeah [22:03] mrwes: yah lol, well i came asking a legitime question [22:03] samd, welp -- you set me up with OT questions [22:04] :p [22:04] Pici: have you noticed since Jaunty that the notification area does not resize when icons are removed? [22:04] Pici: kinda looks like swiss cheese up there sometimes [22:04] they should slide right or left when icons leave the area [22:05] any plans to fix that? [22:05] @) [22:06] mrwes: works for me [22:06] hrmm... [22:06] mrwes: samd: #ubuntu-diskspeed if you please [22:09] BUGabundo, just killed Evolution and that time the notificaiton area slide left like it should [22:10] mrwes: #ubuntu-diskspeed if you please [22:10] so polite [22:15] updatEd to 9.1 and now my E kEy will only work if I usE shift [22:15] gEt this, EvEn thE virtual kEyboard won't do it! [22:16] druupy: ROLG [22:16] you are going to kill me eheheeh [22:17] plEasE this problEm is crippling mE! [22:18] druupy: its true? not a joke? [22:18] NO JOKE [22:18] shift E works [22:18] lowEr casE doEsn't [22:19] i don't think its a krnl issuE as I still havE thE krnl from 8.x [22:19] druupy: stupid question: is it jammed? [22:19] shift works [22:20] shift-E [22:20] does a LiveCD reproduce it ? [22:20] i updatd intrnt [22:20] not by livEcd [22:20] thE kEy works up until th login managEr taks my password (which has a E in it) === elpargo_ is now known as elpargo [22:21] AFTER that, it stops working [22:22] is thErE a kEyboard mapping in X/gnom/KDE? [22:22] seems you found a bug [22:23] better report it [22:23] but don't exepct much attention until before the end of the week/uds [22:23] i havE no way to rEproducE it, only on PC [22:23] 2 macs, onE PC [22:24] can you get a daily iso, put it onto usb and test again? [22:24] having no othr choicE i'll havE to [22:24] i was hoping this was a known bug [22:26] druupy: this have been calm all week [22:27] druupy: can you use onboard to produce versal e ? [22:28] ? [22:28] xplain [22:28] arand: he already said he can't [22:28] if you mEan virt-kb no [22:29] it won't work Eithr [22:30] oh, yea saw that post just now... [22:30] http://pastebin.com/m4af48eb4 [22:30] whn I click E with xEv running [22:34] what damn.. I have audio in flash if I don't put it above 50% [22:34] lol [22:34] 2 weeks ago I only had , if volume was above 65% [22:48] * Twigathy giggles at the 'E' problem upchannel, poor druupy c_c [22:48] :P [22:48] There's a famous book which does not use the letter E at all [22:49] and there we go OT again [22:49] * BUGabundo sits back and reads [22:49] OT, but: http://www.spinelessbooks.com/gadsby/ :-) [22:50] In other news: I saw a kernel update just a few days back, should really test that blkid CPU time munching bug ... [22:50] yesteday I think [22:50] !ot [22:50] #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, for all Ubuntu-related support questions. Please use #ubuntu-offtopic for other topics. Thanks! [22:51] or two days ago [22:51] :P [22:51] now you are tanting us Bill? [22:51] mrwes: *grin* will bear that in mind next time ;) [22:51] me? [22:51] heh [22:52] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/foundations-karmic-grub2 [22:52] Grub2 as default [22:52] WOOT [22:53] " Karmic +1 to drop grub 1?" [22:53] change menu.lst in grub 1 - with zero timeout and chainload grub2 [22:54] Any big advantages of grub2 over grub1? [22:55] ooo, EFI booting... might have to stuff ubuntu back on the mac.. [22:56] - currently grub cannot boot from /boot for LVM, needs to use lilo. [22:56] - check if grub2 can boot /boot LVM - and hence remove the need for the lilo on ISO [22:56] ahha. [22:56] So long as I can keep my initramfs-tools 'boot=nfs' and hack up menu.lst every kernel update I'm cool with anything =) [22:57] * grub2 EFI/UEFI [22:57] Mac and x86 PC with EFI support needs checking [22:59] user holds key - e.g. press shift shows menu, otherwise just continue boot process [22:59] here is one *we* will have to explain to every single user coming by [23:00] "Why can't I press escape any more?!" [23:00] better get a factoid ready and have bot auto replying to it [23:00] hehe [23:00] eheh Twigathy right [23:00] Maybe it'd be worth having esc. as a key you can hit as well as holding shift to save some pain ;) [23:00] but really why change from a very well known to key to an unespected one ? [23:00] Goodness knows [23:01] hello anyway [23:03] hey bruce [23:03] welcome [23:03] hola [23:03] remmeber: NO OT [23:03] eeh [23:03] of course, I'll behave [23:03] Karmic won't mount a DVD [23:03] [ 5789.917332] hal-storage-mou[7889]: segfault at 0 ip 0804a9f2 sp bfd45d00 error 4 in hal-storage-mount[8048000+7000] [23:03] mrwes: ROFL [23:03] that's just your Disc [23:03] sigh [23:03] or the gvpau bug [23:03] my log is filled with that [23:03] uh? [23:04] and all devs are at UDS [23:04]