[00:21] guud evening [00:33] hey BUGabundo :) [00:33] yelloww bencrisford1 [00:33] im just heading off i think [00:34] half midnight in the UK [00:34] good sleep then [00:34] here too, just caching up [00:35] ok :) [00:35] ty [01:28] Where's the page for reporting X errors? [01:30] MTecknology: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Debugging [01:31] MTecknology: $ ubuntu-bug xorg [01:31] thanks [01:40] well time for bed! cu tomorrow [03:13] cd .. [03:13] oops [03:37] Bug 380343: "i'm using ubuntu 9.04 (this version really sucks)" [03:37] Launchpad bug 380343 in ubuntu "windows inactive themselves when i dont move the mouse" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/380343 [03:42] kwall: how can we help you? [03:42] micahg: not asking for help, just amusing myself with that comment in a bug report I'm triaging [03:43] sorry, didn't intend to mislead [03:43] kwall: I've seen worse [03:44] micahg: I'm sure. I've only been at this for 6 days [03:44] :) [03:44] I"m saying, that's pretty tame [03:44] Seem much worse at $day_job [03:44] seen, even [03:44] in terms of disgruntled [03:46] I don't have a good feel for Jaunty's reception relative to previous releases. [03:47] well, some people love it [03:47] and some people hate it [03:48] It was the best of times. It was the worst of times. [03:53] kwall: thanks for the help [03:54] micahg: My pleasure. [03:55] If you'd like to see disgruntled: bug 378134 :) [03:55] Launchpad bug 378134 in firefox "hijacking" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/378134 [03:59] Yikes. [04:06] kwall: 40 bugs in 6 days, nice [04:06] that 5-a-day thing [04:07] yep, that's great [04:08] If we can double the 5 a day participants, we could probably work on clearing out the backlog of bugs [04:11] I was looking at the bug count and it seems high [04:12] why does it seem high? [04:12] Oh, because I like open bug counts that approach 0 :) [04:13] ah, so do I [04:13] Maybe you'd like to adopt a pacakge? [04:13] *package? [04:15] You might be able to get new bugs on a package to 0 [04:15] is there an app that you know well? [04:16] micahg: "well" is subjective, of course [04:16] yes :) [04:16] I'm thinking... [04:16] or one you would like to know better [04:17] One i'd like to know better -- rhythmbox [04:17] Prolly has an adopter [04:18] kwall: I think they can use some help: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rhythmbox [04:18] a little help at least [04:19] Ouch. 385 [04:19] well, a lot are triaged [04:19] so I see [04:19] only about 100 that need help [04:19] or might need help [04:20] Lemme ponder this and check back a little later. [04:20] Time for the post-prandial walk. [04:22] ok [04:26] kwall: check this page out for mentors to help you learn: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/Mentors === nhandler_ is now known as nhandler === pace_t_zulu_ is now known as pace_t_zulu [04:58] micahg: thanks for the tip [05:09] biab [06:16] ping hggdh === jussio1 is now known as jussi01 === mkorn is now known as thekorn === yofel_ is now known as yofel === mrpouit is now known as mr_pouit [13:47] Anyone here familiar with bug 314212 ? [13:47] Launchpad bug 314212 in python-apt "Apport unable to report crash - urlopen error timed out" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/314212 [13:47] It is marked as fixed but it's not [13:47] I can reproduce the bug 100% with a big report [13:47] Launchpad bug 100 in rosetta "uploading po file overwrites authors list" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/100 [13:49] askand: how big is big report? [13:49] kklimonda: 74 mb [13:49] whoa, that's really big :) [13:50] firefox ;) [13:51] I'm not sure if it is the same bug.. [13:51] I get the error message Apport unable to report crash - urlopen error timed out [13:51] with small reports too, but not every time [13:51] askand: which version of ubuntu are you running? [13:52] thekorn: im on jaunty [13:56] askand: hmm, that's not good, as far as I remember this issue has been 'solved' by not setting a timeout on client side anymore [13:56] hm strange [13:57] askand: so either some python module sets a timeout, and does this the wrong way [13:58] or it is completely unrelated to this, [13:58] thekorn: is there any way I can check what happens "behind the scenes" when I submit the report? [13:59] askand: hmm, no I don't think so [14:00] thekorn: perhaps I can upload the crash file somewhere and you can try to submit it? [14:02] askand: ok, but I cannot do it right now, bad bandwidth here [14:03] thekorn: ok [14:04] heh, hard to upload when firefox crashes all the time === mkorn is now known as thekorn === asac_ is now known as asac === yofel_ is now known as yofel [14:56] Afternoon guys! [15:25] this is pretty tight: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-qa/2009-May/000479.html [15:30] greg-g: that email was cut short in the archive [15:32] bdmurray: oh it was, I didn't even notice (multi-tasking in a session). [15:33] For people looking here: thekorn implemented an idea from UDS already. It opens apport-collect/ubuntu-bug when a user clicks on the "report a bug" button in LP. this way we get all of the logs/etc that apport gives us. Video here: http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/174479/apport_adoption.ogv [15:33] obviously, it is a proof of concept [15:42] bdmurray, Hi Brian. Haen't had a chance to thank you for approving my Bug Control application the other week because of the all-hands meeting. So thanks for putting it through :) [15:42] If I can be of any help to anyone just give me a buzz [15:43] !info dmsetup [15:43] xteejx: dmsetup (source: devmapper): The Linux Kernel Device Mapper userspace library. In component main, is important. Version 2:1.02.27-4ubuntu5 (jaunty), package size 40 kB, installed size 156 kB [15:44] xteejx: What an intrigueing bot! Does it work for every package? [15:45] !info gedit [15:45] bencrisford1: gedit (source: gedit): official text editor of the GNOME desktop environment. In component main, is optional. Version 2.26.1-0ubuntu1 (jaunty), package size 589 kB, installed size 2016 kB [15:46] !info gaim [15:46] bencrisford1: Package gaim does not exist in jaunty [15:46] !info pidgin [15:46] bencrisford1: pidgin (source: pidgin): graphical multi-protocol instant messaging client for X. In component main, is optional. Version 1:2.5.5-1ubuntu8 (jaunty), package size 554 kB, installed size 1724 kB [15:46] that is impressive :) [15:47] greg-g, that would be a great addition to Ubuntu, is it blueprinted for Karmic?? [15:48] bencrisford1, it has plenty of features [15:48] !help [15:48] xteejx: I don't think there is a blueprint for this specific idea, but in general we are working towards increasing the usage of ubuntu-bug and apport-collect [15:48] Hi! I'm #ubuntu-bugs's favorite infobot, you can search my brain yourself at http://ubottu.com/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots [15:48] wow [15:49] greg-g, it would definitely help with the bug reporting, especially with a few more apport hooks, would save a LOT of messing around [15:50] bencrisford1 :) [15:50] xteejx: indeed. [15:52] greg-g, is there any rough timescale for when this will be implemented yet? or is it a "as and when"? [15:55] xteejx: Would you mind reviewing my bug control application please? Its just - i sent it a few weeks ago now, and im only waiting for one more response [15:55] im scared it got lost :( [15:56] bencrisford1, I only got approved myself 2 weeks ago so more than likely I missed it. Maybe give brian (bdmurray) a nudge or leave him a message in case he's busy at UDS, I'm sure he'll be able to update you on the progress. :) [15:56] Well, I know where my app is in the archive [15:57] I still don't think I'd be allowed to approve an application that came through before my own. [15:57] xteejx, yes, you are allowed to [15:57] hggdh, ah ok, ps heyyy [15:57] cheers, xteejx and bencrisford1 [15:58] i've only seen one app, is it komputes? [15:58] hggdh, hows it going anyway? [15:58] xteejx: well if you get a chance :) - https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-bugcontrol/msg00255.html [15:59] xteejx, quite busy offline, unfortunately... some serious personal thingies came up. But still alive and kicking [15:59] bencrisford1, I'll have a look within the next 10 mins, as soon as hggdh tells me how to reply, is it ubuntu-bugcontrol.lists@launchpad.net ?? [15:59] hggdh, ouch...i been kinda busy as well, different reasons [16:00] ubuntu-bugcontrol@lists.launchpad.net [16:00] and CC to ben@freeyourpc.tk please :) [16:00] * bdmurray is quite busy at uds [16:00] sorry brian [16:01] bencrisford1, I'll have a look now [16:01] xteejx, ubuntu-bugsquad@lists.ubuntu.com, and CC Ben [16:01] hggdh, do i just put my two cents in and reply the message back? [16:01] xteejx, yes, this is the usual -- like what I did with your application [16:01] oh yeah hehe :) [16:01] hggdh: I sent my application to ubuntu-bugcontrol@lists.launchpad.net [16:02] should he not reply to there? [16:02] xteejx, bencrisford1 sorry, yes, ubuntu-bugcontrol@l.l.n [16:02] yup yup :_ [16:02] doing it now [16:03] ok :), ty [16:11] bencrisford1, wont be much longer hehe [16:11] ok, cheers :) [16:14] * Laibsch is looking for help in triaging bug 334957 [16:14] Launchpad bug 334957 in linux "Mouse begins to drift left under heavy wifi load (shared IRQ problem?)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/334957 [16:14] Laibsch: Ill giv ya a hand [16:15] cool, thanks [16:15] are you familiar with shared IRQ and stuff? [16:15] not really :/ [16:15] I assume it's some kind of kernel issue [16:15] well, I think it's a fairly tough nut to crack [16:16] yah [16:16] It's not the standard "please provide the output of lspci" kind of thing [16:16] Well his/her distrorelease would be start [16:17] Jaunty [16:17] It's my own report [16:18] oh [16:18] well it is important to include distrorelease in all reports :) [16:18] but dw if you forget [16:18] because the nice people from the bugs teams will be there to remind you [16:19] :) [16:20] Yes, added the missing info [16:20] nice one :D [16:20] all done ben [16:20] But I did mention that this problem before I moved away from Hardy [16:21] But I did mention that this problem existed before I moved away from Hardy [16:21] So, it was a problem on Hardy [16:21] shared irq setting, bios problem or RFI [16:21] oh. ok [16:21] one of the 3 [16:21] And it was still a problem on either Intrepid or Jaunty (one could infer that)) [16:21] xteejx: rfi? [16:22] BIOS is up-to-date for an X24 [16:22] radio frequency interference from the wifi [16:22] coes it occur under any other OS? [16:22] I guess I should include that info in my LP profile, I've posted that so many times now ;-) [16:22] ;) [16:22] I really only use Ubuntu ;-) [16:23] But I could try out Windows one of these days [16:23] you using Jaunty? [16:23] Yes [16:23] One of the other days I was told that the IRQ interrupt count was definitely too high [16:23] indicating a problem [16:24] have you done apport-collect -p linux-image-`uname -r` ?# [16:24] no [16:25] But what information is missing? [16:25] can you do that and let it pull in all the info that you may be asked? [16:25] OK [16:25] it wil do all the lspci and all the other stuff automatically [16:25] I guess I was asking for help in triaging ;-) [16:25] bencrisford1, take note ;) [16:25] hehe [16:25] I'll do that in a minute [16:25] ok [16:26] I wonder if it is possible to read out the BIOS version from the booted system [16:26] /proc/$something? [16:26] xteejx: Of what? [16:26] of apport-collect [16:26] ^^ [16:26] bencrisford, kernel reporting isues and jaunty with apport-collect hooks to save yourself some time :) [16:27] Ive read about them before, but with all the packaging stuff im reading im forgetting alot [16:27] the preferred method in jaunty and jaunty+1 [16:27] i might go back other the docs one day [16:27] soon [16:27] refresh my knowledge :) [16:27] theres plenty of stuff on the wiki https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/KernelTeamBugPolicies [16:27] ok, ill do that as soon as i get the chance :) [16:27] thats kinda the first place you should go for real hardware problems [16:28] I'd really like to try out a vanilla kernel one of these days [16:28] also have you seen the Debugging Procedures for the most common problems? [16:28] Laibsch, good luck!! [16:29] bencrisford1, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProcedures [16:30] ooh, thanks :) [16:33] no probs :) [16:33] * Laibsch is waiting for all the off-topic comments now that I have run apport-collect [16:34] like "why is it that ...?" [16:35] I'm still looking for somebody who understands this IRQ stuff to help with triaging. I don't think the essential is not among what apport-collect collected [16:36] apport won't be able to collect irq data, and to be honest i'm prety unsure about that myself, sorry [16:36] if you could get a few photos of your bios setup, irq settings included it might help if you attach them to the bug report [16:39] I'll do that in a minute, more poking in the dark, but maybe we'll eventually stab something [16:39] xteejx: Are you familiar with compiling a kernel? [16:40] I've done it a few times, but I want to package it [16:40] Laibsch, I'm not, no [16:40] Alright [16:40] I want to kind of "automate" the process of building packages from git or other VCS sources [16:50] Laibsch, if you know how to do this, then great, maybe speak to MOTU team to get it into Ubuntu if its stable enough, or maybe they could use it? [16:51] well, no I don't [16:51] That's why I'm asking [16:51] And I'm not sure this if for mass consumption [16:52] Laibsch, speak to MOTU team, they're the ones who know all this kind of stuff :) [16:52] You usually don't want to package non-point releases [16:52] Need to try out what I've done before [16:52] to know where I'm stuck ;-) === geser_ is now known as geser [17:12] Laibsch, you can always package to a PPA, and announce it to be tested [17:12] hggdh: thank you for the suggestion, that is not where I'm stuck [17:12] hi hggdh [17:12] hi micahg [17:12] I'm stuck at regularly and conveneniently packaging stuff from a git upstream [17:13] to name a sample VCS [17:13] Laibsch: LP just added a git import to LP [17:13] Oh, did they? [17:13] Nice [17:13] * Laibsch takes a look [17:13] Yesterday :) [17:13] Laibsch, you will need a get-orig-source on your ./debian/rules [17:13] Oh, I guess that is the same as the existing bzr import? [17:14] hggdh: Do you have an example? [17:14] I think so, and svn and cvs import [17:14] * Laibsch thinks learning by example is best [17:14] Laibsch, see http://wiki.debian.org/SandroTosi/Svn_get-orig-source as an example [17:14] cool, thanks [17:14] * hggdh also learns by example ;-) [17:15] looks exactly like what I was looking for [17:15] Laibsch, you can also see the libpst package for an example (where I get the source, and change it) [17:16] nice! [17:16] thanks [17:16] Laibsch, pull-lp-source libpst [17:16] Have been waiting for this for months [17:17] * micahg still has stuff to learn from hggdh [17:17] maybe I should add myself back as a student :) [17:17] xteejx: I'm assuming you are Roy Jamison. If you are - thank you :D [17:18] bencrisford1, Yes, thats me, xteejx on here and LP :) [17:19] I didnt realise i dotted all parts of the email address, forgot the @ sign lol did wonder why it wouldn't send..... :) [17:20] How many +1s do I need? [17:20] is it 2? [17:23] hggdh:: Is it two +1s for me to get membership? [17:23] bencrisford1: plus bdmurray's okay [17:24] Ok, I just need that then =S [17:25] ty === ziroday` is now known as ziroday [17:29] /win 10 [17:31] hey charlie-tca, thekorn :) [17:37] Hello, xteejx [17:38] charlie-tca, Hows the bug hunt going? [17:39] kinda slow. I am behind [17:44] hey xteejx [17:44] lol charlie :) [17:44] i'm always slow [17:44] and hi korn [17:54] what command would find my sound card [17:54] ? [17:54] would lspci do it? [17:56] lspci yeah === thekorn_ is now known as thekorn [17:57] bencrisford1, if ever i'm here and you need a hand just say my name so my osd pops up, as i'm not always watching the channel [17:58] ok ty [18:00] bencrisford1, yes, +2 is the necessary approval [18:00] plus, of course, Brian's blessings ;-) [18:01] you got a +1 from me [18:01] Ben already had another +1 (and a +0 from me, if I remember correctly) [18:01] lol ok [18:02] yeah, thats right :) [18:02] (sorry about that one, but I try to be fair) [18:02] * bencrisford1 thinks brians eating dinner with liw atm [18:02] from his observations of #ubuntu-devel-summit [18:02] * xteejx thinks brian is at UDS ;) [18:02] he is [18:02] he is [18:02] but hes eating dinner [18:02] exactly [18:02] at uds [18:03] lol chinese takeaway ;) [18:03] (17:35:26) liw: anyone interested in an earlyish dinner? [18:03] (17:38:40) bdmurray: liw: I am [18:03] anyway guys im off, maybe back later on catch ya later [18:03] ok [18:03] byw [18:03] diner for me too hehe [18:03] cya [18:04] * bencrisford1 wishes he was at UDS [18:04] * bencrisford1 isnt going to the ball it seems [18:04] maybe my fairy godmother will magic me a carraige out of pumpkins :D [18:06] hggdh: Don't worry about it :), you just looking out for the team, thats not something to be sorry for (im talkin bout the +0 btw_ [18:06] anyway gonna go eat [18:37] oh come on, Firefox crashed when I was filling bug report -.- [18:37] :/ [18:37] hey guys [18:38] hey [18:38] kklimonda: so you file them via web ? LOL [18:38] its so 2008 [18:38] haha [18:38] BUGabundo: via web or via mail - it's the same, I use gmail ;) [18:39] * bencrisford1 offers a fiver to anyone who gives him a membership testimonial :P [18:42] bencrisford1: I still don't know you well enough [18:42] ping me back in two weeks [18:42] BUGabundo: I was only joking :P [18:42] by fiver i meant money [18:44] :( but i do need testimonials [18:45] meeting next week :S [18:45] bencrisford1: I don't want your money [18:45] I said I would do it, and I may .... [18:45] when I know you better [18:45] don't feel like it to add my optionion on someone I only know for about 2w [18:46] lol i know [18:46] and i was joking about the money btw too [18:47] I understood that [18:47] oh, i just wanted to make sure [18:47] last time i made a joke like that i got in deep crap [18:49] hey, bug squad - could you mark bug 365056 as low? [18:49] Launchpad bug 365056 in comix "comix crashed reading .cbz with interlaced PNG" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/365056 [18:50] kklimonda: aren't you yet on bug squad? [18:50] lol [18:50] I guess we need both to apply [18:50] any idea what we need? [18:50] BUGabundo: some work examples :) [18:52] 5 [18:53] time to go [18:53] see you guys latter [19:06] BUGabundo: there is a full list somewhere on wiki [19:06] hes gone :( [19:12] btw, does bugs we mark as duplicates are listed somewhere? [19:12] are.. yeez.. [19:12] my engrish is really bad today ;) [19:23] bug 364433 [19:23] is it wishlist or low? [19:23] Launchpad bug 364433 in empathy "IRC default settings for FreeNode have incorrect server hostname" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/364433 [19:23] chat.freenode.net is indeed the main address but irc.freenode.net works fine and nothing indicate that it will stop working [19:23] i guess it could be even marked as triaged.. [19:51] grr, there is something wrong with xchat - it just stops receiving messages.. [19:51] no errors, no nothing :/ [19:51] bug 364433 [19:51] is it wishlist or low? [19:51] chat.freenode.net is indeed the main address but irc.freenode.net works fine and nothing indicate that it will stop working [19:51] i guess it could be even marked as triaged.. [19:51] Launchpad bug 364433 in empathy "IRC default settings for FreeNode have incorrect server hostname" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/364433 [20:11] can I report bugs to staging using ubuntu-bug? [20:13] hmm.. why doesn't ubuntu-bug linux-image-generic attach dmesg ? [20:26] looks like ubuntu-bug linux does the trick.. === kklimonda_ is now known as kklimonda [20:40] kklimonda: Probably because linux-image-generic comes from the linux-meta source package, whereas linux would be the linux source package [20:42] maxb: Yeah, I've found it out after checking usr/share/apport/package-hoots/ [20:42] hooks* [20:59] any idea why are files attached to reports broken sometimes? like in bug 380935 [20:59] Launchpad bug 380935 in xulrunner-1.9 "upgrading to 9.10 fails to install xulrunner-1.9" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/380935 [21:01] kklimonda: sorry to ask, but why do you think the files are broken? [21:02] ha ok, i can't extract the gz [21:04] I've had that happen to one of my bugs [21:04] My initial instinct would be to blame apport [21:25] there goes kklimonda [21:26] :/ [21:27] and now he is back [21:27] kklimonda: as we were talking earlier [21:27] aplication [21:28] can anyone explian me what's the diff for bugcontrol, and ug squad? [21:29] nah, i just call bug control a bug squad ;) [21:29] ah great [21:30] I get everything confused [21:33] bug control has special abilities on LP [21:33] bugcontrol is the subset of bugsquad which has power to use the Triaged status and to see private apport crash bugs [21:33] okay [21:33] more info, more confusion [21:33] ehehe [21:34] so if me and kklimonda apply, it is to which one? [21:34] bug control [21:34] You don't apply to bugsquad, it's open membership [21:34] ahhhh [21:34] so anyone can be in bugsquad? [21:34] oh, bugcontrol can set severity too [21:35] * BUGabundo is thinking of getting another badge.... just kidding [21:36] * maxb needs to triage bugs more often, in order to apply to bugcontrol, in order to be able to better triage bugs.... :-) [21:37] so none of us (talking now) is in bugcontrol? [21:37] lol [21:38] * micahg is in bug control :) [21:41] yay micahg [21:41]