[00:11] <Flannel> Seeker`: yes
[00:20] <Seeker`> ty
[01:54] <Pici> ugh
[01:55] <Seeker`> :/
[01:58] <elky> ?
[01:59] <Pici> Just some trolls in #ubuntu
[01:59] <Seeker`> "do many black people use ubuntu"
[01:59] <Pici> And then someone else who was being somewhat normal decided to feed
[02:44] <elky> ubuntumacintosh was booted about 12 hrs ago
[02:44] <Pici> banned?
[02:50] <elky> no, only booted
[02:51] <elky> he didnt return, so he didnt earn his upgrade
[03:49] <Jack_Sparrow> This nick seems rude..  any second opinions  * MotherFnFBM 
[04:10] <Jack_Sparrow> @login
[04:10] <Jack_Sparrow> @btlogin
[04:18] <Flannel> P3ngv1n-Fvck3r, I'm on it
         sure looks like penguin f'er to me..
[04:19] <Flannel> Already taken care of
[04:19] <Jack_Sparrow> ty
[04:34] <shadeslayer> hi i cant get into #kubuntu 
[04:35] <shadeslayer> i get re forwaded to #ubuntu-proxy-users
[06:07] <Jack_Sparrow> @login
[06:07] <Jack_Sparrow> @btlogin
[07:54] <Myrtti> OMNOMNOM
[08:02] <Myrtti> aaahhh.
[08:02] <Myrtti> food ♥ 
[08:48] <Seeker`> nom nom nom
[08:49] <Mamarok> I have a user who can't get back into #k, says he is redirected to #proxy-users
[08:49] <ikonia> let me guess shadeslayer
[08:49] <Mamarok> yes, what's with him?
[08:49] <ikonia> he doesn't read topics
[08:50] <Mamarok> hm...
[08:50] <ikonia> I'll sort him
[08:52] <Mamarok> ikonia: what did he do exactly?
[08:52] <ikonia> he messes around with mibbit 
[08:52] <ikonia> if you look in #kubuntu and #ubuntu when he joins proxy-users he gets an exception
[08:53] <ikonia> then comes back with a slightly different mibbit address so the exception becomes invalid
[08:53] <Mamarok> oooh, that explains it
[08:53] <ikonia> on this occasion though it looks like he can't get back in properly
[08:53] <ikonia> look at his join/part history and you'll see the slight changes
[08:54] <Mamarok> yes, just seen that
[08:54] <Mamarok> silly chap
[08:55] <ikonia> @bansearch shadeslayer
[08:56] <Mamarok> he has a Linux installed, why does he use webchat anyway?
[08:57] <ikonia> don't know - in the past he's been a known problem/liar 
[08:57] <ikonia> people feel his behaviour is better now, I'm not convinced
[08:57] <Mamarok> Oo
[08:57] <Myrtti> firewalls or gateways are a legitimate reason
[08:57] <ikonia> Myrtti: do the exceptions in #ubuntu have an effect on #kubuntu ?
[08:57] <Myrtti> doubt it
[08:58] <ikonia> I don't see any exceptions in #kubuntu so I don't know how he could join #kubuntu from mibbiet
[08:58] <Mamarok> no, didn't he tell you he could join #ubuntu?
[08:58] <ikonia> Mamarok: he can join #ubuntu and I can see an exception for him
[08:58] <Mamarok> but not #k
[08:58] <ikonia> Mamarok: I can't see anything in #kubuntu so I don't know how he could join earlier
[08:58] <Mamarok> hm, he has been in till a few minutes ago, but was muted
[08:58] <Mamarok> couldn't send anything
[08:58] <ikonia> he was muted ??
[08:59] <Myrtti> LjL would know
[08:59] <Mamarok> yesterday there were no problems apparently
[08:59] <ikonia> he wasn't using mibbit yesterday 
[08:59] <Mamarok> oh
[09:03] <ikonia> the exceptions from #ubuntu must be the same ones for #kubuntu as I can't see any history of floodbot ever doing +e #kubuntu
[09:03] <Mamarok> afk, bbl
[09:07] <ikonia> oko - it looks like the floodbot exceptions work for #ubuntu and #xubuntu but not #kubuntu
[09:08] <ikonia> either the mibbit ban in #kubuntu is borked, or floodbots have stopped working with #kubuntu
[09:09] <jussi01> ikonia: they never did work with kubuntu afaik...?
[09:09] <ikonia> ok - #xubuntu doesn't ban mibbit at all
[09:09] <ikonia> jussi01: so how do mibbit users work with #kubuntu ?
[09:10] <ikonia> and how was shadeslayer joining #kubuntu past the mibbit ban  ?
[09:10] <jussi01> manual exceptions or they dont...
[09:10] <jussi01> shadeslayer has a cloak no?
[09:10] <ikonia> ok, I can live with manual exception, but then how did shadeslayer join 
[09:10] <ikonia> jussi01: not in mibbit
[09:10] <ikonia> his id is mibbit related 
[09:10]  * jussi01 has no idea
[09:11] <ikonia> I'll add an exception for him now manually
[09:11] <jussi01> I just woke up after a troubled nights sleep.. to tired to comprehend prperly
[09:11] <ikonia> rubbish, not good
[09:16] <elky> where the heck are all these trolls coming from?
[09:18] <elky> topyli, your call on logikal
[09:19] <topyli> can't be true
[09:21] <elky> i can barely understand a word koshari says
[09:22] <ikonia> @mark #kubuntu shadeslayer temporary exception put in place for mibbit for him until I can speak to ljl 
[09:49] <jussi01> !ipod
[10:13] <ikonia> shadeslayer is annoying me joining/parting all the time on mibbit 
[10:13] <Myrtti> ikonia: !##fix_your_connection :-P
[10:14] <ikonia> I've removed the exception unil he can show his connection is stable enough as there is no flood bot I'm having to do it manual
[10:39] <ikonia> @bansearch cycrosism 
[10:39] <ikonia> rats misplet the ban in BT
[10:43] <ikonia> !logs
[11:07] <Bacta> Hello, Flannel
[11:07] <ikonia> hello Bacta 
[11:08] <ikonia> Bacta: can we help ?
[11:08] <Bacta> Yes I was told to speak with Flannel tonight so I'll wait around a bit to see if he replies
[11:08] <ikonia> ahhh I forgot you claim to have put some of us on ignore
[11:08] <ikonia> he's not currently activce
[11:10] <Bacta> I'll give him a couple of minutes if you don't mind, you're not on ignore btw :)
[11:10] <ikonia> Bacta: if he's not around now (which he's not he's been idle in here for hours) I suggest to make you're request
[11:10] <ikonia> Bacta: if I'm not on ignore - why did you say I was ?
[11:11] <ikonia> actually, I'm not bothered
[11:11] <Bacta> I said elky was but nvm
[11:11] <Bacta> I'll come back in a couple of hours
[11:11] <ikonia> if you need help - please ask your question, or try later if you specifically need flannel
[11:11] <elky> ikonia, i sure hope he doesnt still have ops on ignore still. it's certainly not a way to indicate improved behaviour.
[11:11] <ikonia> elky: he claims he does - so I see no reason to discuss it while he has, or while he is telling people he has
[11:12] <ikonia> he said we where both on ignore, that doesn't seem the case, but he says it is
[11:12] <ikonia> @mark bacta again - untrustworthy with comments, seems to be trying to only deal with flannel so his previous behaviour isn't hilightled
[11:12] <ikonia> flannel is efficient and will check the BT logs :)
[12:31] <maveric> hi folks - who is an IRC op on freenode
[12:43] <topyli> do you mean freenode staff?
[12:43] <topyli> we're all ops "on freenode" :)
[12:45] <topyli> maveric?
[12:46] <maveric> yeah sorry
[12:46] <maveric> thanks topyli
[12:46] <maveric> i need to register this nick
[12:46] <maveric> but i cant as it belongs to someone else
[12:46] <Tm_T> then it's #freenode or am I mistaken?
[12:46] <topyli> yes #freenode is the best place to find staff
[12:47] <maveric> hmm
[12:47] <maveric> thanks both of you :)
[12:48] <topyli> np
[12:49] <gnomefreak> staff is t ned to register a nick unless you have already tried and fialed
[12:49] <topyli> gnomefreak: the nick is taken for some reason
[12:49] <gnomefreak> isn't needed even
[12:49] <gnomefreak> ah yeah than staff is needed. i didnt see that part of it
[12:50] <gnomefreak> ah i see it now
[12:53] <maveric> :) thanks anyways gnomefreak someone helped me on freenode
[12:53] <maveric> and i am good now
[12:53] <maveric> ta
[12:53] <topyli> good good :)
[12:56] <topyli> maveric: if there is nothing else we can help you with, please /part this channel as we need it for ops/abuse business
[13:06] <jussi01> ooh, thats nice to know... http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/3968
[14:13] <Myrtti> !info amora-server
[14:13] <ubot2`> Myrtti: amora-server (source: amora-server): use a bluetooth enabled mobile phone as desktop remote control. In component universe, is extra. Version 1.1-1 (jaunty), package size 15 kB, installed size 104 kB
[14:13] <Myrtti> ubot2`: !
[14:22] <Pici> mh
[14:22] <Pici> meh
[14:55] <elky> wow... aprilhare's remarks are... um...
[14:55] <Pici> odd?
[14:55] <elky> creepy.
[14:56] <elky> topyli, aprilhare is doing his creepy thing again :(
[14:57] <topyli> i should talk to him like i've been meaning to
[14:57] <elky> i'll love you forever
[15:12] <Myrtti> jussi01: can I kick him next
[15:12] <jussi01> Myrtti: be my guest...
[15:12] <Myrtti> you're the bestest friend
[15:12] <Myrtti> EVAH
[15:13] <Jack_Sparrow> Morning Guys and Dolls
[15:19]  * genii slides Jack_Sparrow a large mug of coffee
[15:19] <Jack_Sparrow> Hey genii, I could use that..
[15:20]  * Myrtti wanders to the kitchenette to microwave some
[15:20] <genii> Jack_Sparrow:  :)
[15:21] <Jack_Sparrow> We need a factoid.. <marko-_-> There is a slovenian ubuntu support channel called #ubuntu-si
[15:21] <Jack_Sparrow> there is no !si
[15:22] <Pici> Is there an #ubuntu-si ?
[15:22] <Jack_Sparrow> HE said there is
[15:22] <Myrtti> he's the founder of it
[15:23] <Pici> I don't see it on the irc channel list.
[15:23] <Myrtti> inviting to -irc
[15:23] <Myrtti> it's useless to have that convo in #u
[15:23] <Pici> Indeed.
 Jack_Sparrow, you mean in our language ? if so then "Za slovensko pomoč v ubuntuju: #ubuntu-si"
[15:24] <Jack_Sparrow> agred
[15:25] <Jack_Sparrow> Thanks marko-_- 
[15:25] <marko-_-> np
[15:25] <Jack_Sparrow> Pici do you mind making that factoid..  I have Vaux in pm
[15:25] <Pici> Jack_Sparrow: #ubuntu-irc would be better, and we're already there
[15:26] <Jack_Sparrow> np thanks
[15:26] <Myrtti> marko-_-: as you already are in #ubuntu-irc, you don't need to be here
[15:26] <marko-_-> ok
[15:28] <Myrtti> btw, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcTeam/Coordination doesn't mention about giving council the access
[15:28] <Pici> I know
[15:28] <Pici> actually.. it does
[15:29] <Myrtti> not as clearly as the freenode staff
[15:30] <Pici> Just not as clear
[15:30] <Pici> right
[15:34] <Vaux> Dear ubuntu ops. I was banned for a reason i'm not sure about yet
[15:34] <Vaux> I would like to have a unban.
[15:35] <Vaux> I am sorry for whatever i did, and will, also in the future, take full responsibilitie
[15:35] <Vaux> Can i have the unban noaw?
[15:35] <Vaux> JACK SPARROW< HALP!
[15:35] <Jack_Sparrow> Vaux You were asked to return in 24 hours
[15:35] <Vaux> yeah but i've got a time machine you know :P
[15:35] <Vaux> Sorry, i'm kidding
[15:35] <Vaux> Can i have the unban now? Because i've got a question
[15:35] <Vaux> + It's my first IRC experience
[15:35] <ubot2`> Vaux: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[15:36] <Vaux> I'm a noob at this, i'm really sorry, Jack, Please help
[15:36] <Jack_Sparrow> Vaux  I was banned for a reason i'm not sure about yet?     Really.?
[15:36] <Vaux> Well i can guess: Inappropiate Behaviour?
[15:36] <Vaux> I am sorry for it. Sorry for bothering you all
[15:36] <elky> Vaux, there are other places to get help from, such as ubuntuforums.org.
[15:37] <Jack_Sparrow> Did you read the coc or the guidelines
[15:37] <Vaux> Cock?
[15:37] <Jack_Sparrow> !idle > Vaux  
[15:37] <Vaux> Coc* SOrry
[15:38] <Vaux> Ok Thx!
[15:38] <Vaux> What does "  we ask you to part '' ?
[15:39] <genii> To exit this channel
[15:39] <Vaux> This channel?
[15:39] <Vaux> But i need urgent help
[15:39] <Vaux> Really, serious
[15:39] <Vaux> I've got this mayor problem
[15:39] <Pici> This is not a support channel.
[15:39] <Vaux> JackSparrow told me to go here
[15:39] <Vaux> Well, not help
[15:39] <Vaux>  I need a unban
[15:39] <Vaux> Lifted ban
[15:39] <Pici> No, he told you to come here in 24 hours to discuss your ban. 
[15:40] <topyli> Vaux: i don't think the ban is going to be lifted at this time. please come back tomorrow
[15:40] <Vaux> Yeah
[15:40] <Vaux> Guys
[15:40] <Vaux> I am really sorry, Really
[15:40] <Vaux> PLEAASE, PLEASE unban me
[15:40] <Vaux> I mean, i need the help right now.
[15:40] <Vaux> Tomorrow is too late
[15:40] <Vaux> And i know i messed up
[15:40] <Vaux> But i'm really sorry
[15:40] <Vaux> I didn't mean to hurt all of you
[15:40] <Vaux> So please, really please
[15:40] <Vaux> LIFT THE BAN?
[15:41] <elky> what is so important that instead of asking the question, you spent many many minutes being silly?
[15:41] <Vaux> Do i look like silly to you?
[15:41] <Vaux> I'm sorry then
[15:41] <Vaux> But i can't ask what i want to ask here, this is not a support room. Am i right?
[15:42] <elky> Vaux, you were behaving very very silly.
[15:42] <Vaux> And i'm sorry for that
[15:42] <elky> Vaux, you can use the ubuntuforums.org to ask your question until your ban expires.
[15:42] <Vaux> 24 H is really too late
[15:42] <Vaux> Please unban me here
[15:42] <Vaux> Because i can get instant resolve
[15:42] <elky> no.
[15:42] <Vaux> And on the forums,. it takes too long
[15:43] <Vaux> Jack? Are you here Jack?
[15:43] <topyli> Vaux: if anything, you are making your situation worse by getting on ops' nerves
[15:43] <Vaux> what's ops?
[15:43] <topyli> Vaux: i suggest you /part this channel and come back tomorrow to discuss your ban
[15:43] <elky> while i have no intention of answering your issue, could you please explain what issue is so important that you're so desperate here now?
[15:44] <Vaux> LETS ALL STEP IN THIS TIME MACHINE I JUST MADE AND GO FORWARD 24 H.
[15:44] <Vaux> *** BZAAAAP *****
[15:44] <Vaux> Ok
[15:44] <Vaux> Hey guys, i'm back, sorry i got banned yesterday
[15:44] <Vaux> I was told to discuss this 24h after my ban
[15:44] <Vaux> So. Here i am
[15:44] <Myrtti> this isn't going anywhere I see
[15:44] <Vaux> I'm sorry for what i did
[15:44] <elky> Vaux, ignoring me is only doing more damage.
[15:44] <Vaux> I bet you were laughing :P
[15:44] <Vaux> How did i ignore you?
[15:44] <Myrtti> Vaux: do you have any idea how many times I've seen something like that?
[15:44] <Myrtti> it's not funny
 while i have no intention of answering your issue, could you please explain what issue is so important that you're so desperate here now?
[15:45] <Vaux> Lol no u are :P
[15:45] <Myrtti> it wasn't funny on the first time, and it isn't funny this n+1th time
[15:45] <Vaux> Hahha, Myrtiii, you are funny
[15:45] <Vaux> But shush now
[15:45] <Vaux> I'm talking to elky
[15:45] <Vaux> And he's way more important :P
[15:45] <Vaux> My problem is this:
[15:45] <Vaux> Holdon:
[15:46]  * Myrtti looks at elky with jocular smile
[15:46] <Vaux> Hold on guys: Hold on
[15:46]  * Vaux saysL Sshhh i'm busy
[15:47] <elky> Vaux, clearly you do not actually have an issue, let alone one that requires urgent attention.
[15:47] <Vaux> Wait
[15:47] <Vaux> I'm typing in word
[15:47] <Vaux> Because it's a long story
[15:47] <Myrtti> oh BOY! I'm so excited
[15:48] <elky> if i lose my patience and remove you from this channel, then your ban gets extended by another 24hrs.
[15:48] <Vaux> My Ubuntu DVD-ROM boots into live distro mode, but then the screen goes
[15:48] <Vaux> green and red AND also my monitor flashes + i get the error: Cannot display this mode
[15:48] <Vaux> So, can you help now Elk?
[15:49] <Myrtti> why didn't you ask that question *BEFORE* fooling around in #ubuntu?
[15:49] <Vaux> I'm sooo desperate
[15:49] <elky> no. you should search the forums though, as the answer will be there already.
[15:49] <Vaux> No one can help me?
[15:49] <Vaux> Oh little mousy.....
[15:49]  * Vaux is soo excited, and he just can't hide it, oh c'mon c'mon c'mpon blablabla
[15:50] <Vaux> Hey Myrtti?
[15:50] <Vaux> Wanna use your powers on me?
[15:50] <Vaux> GOOO DOO IT!
[15:50] <Vaux> YOU LOVE TO HAVE POWERS
[15:50] <Vaux> BACK!
[15:50] <Vaux> Sorry for what i did
[15:50] <Vaux> I didn't mean to
[15:50] <Myrtti> welcome back in 48h
[15:50] <Myrtti> etc
[15:51] <jpds> Then you should learn to control yourself.
[15:51] <Myrtti> more coffee
[15:51] <Myrtti> now where was I
[15:51] <Gary> kittens?
[15:51] <elky> this is going to be whack-a-mole, isnt it.
[15:51] <jpds> Myrtti: Finland?
[15:51] <Myrtti> oh yes, nomming a chevre rye bread
[15:51] <Myrtti> elky: yes ^____^
[15:51] <Myrtti> I'm going to wait for 10 minutes and remove the ban then
[15:52] <elky> haha, he's in #gentoo.
[15:53] <genii> He's like a slightly more amusing eagles kid
[15:53] <elky> if eagles ever manages to reproduce....
[15:54]  * elky reaches for the brain bleach
[15:55] <genii> Hehe
[16:05] <Ursinha> Myrtti, hi
[16:05] <Myrtti> Ursinha: ehlo
[16:07] <Myrtti> seriously, if someone is being a twit on your loco channel, slap them with the CoC. I wouldn't be here if CoC hadn't been valued so well in the Finnish community in 2005
[16:07] <Myrtti> Ursinha: ^
[16:08] <Ursinha> Myrtti, the problem is: the people that do that are supposedly ubuntu members
[16:08] <Myrtti> we have it translated to Finnish as well, so the meaning isn't lost on people who don't understand English
[16:08] <Ursinha> and I'm not
[16:08] <Myrtti> Ursinha: makes no difference
[16:08] <Myrtti> they have signed the code of conduct and should know better
[16:08] <Ursinha> Myrtti, that makes me more sad
[16:08] <Ursinha> really
[16:08] <Ursinha> I really believe in the CoC and that you commit to the ideas
[16:09] <Ursinha> but people seem to only want bragging rights
[16:09] <Myrtti> >-(
[16:11] <Myrtti> that makes me mad as well
[16:11] <topyli> people should get slapped around the lips then
[16:12] <Myrtti> srsly
[16:13] <Ursinha> Myrtti, I don't know what to do, seriously.
[16:13] <Ursinha> people seem to only kid around with that
[16:13] <Ursinha> I HATE that
[16:15] <Myrtti> Ursinha: you can, if you feel necessary, to escalate it to higher powers :-(
[16:15] <Myrtti> s/to//
[16:15] <Ursinha> high powers are right in front of me
[16:15] <Ursinha> I mean it
[16:16] <Myrtti> yeah... figured so
[16:16] <Myrtti> or guessed
[16:18] <Myrtti> it's a pickle
[16:18] <Jack_Sparrow> Great, Vaux has a new nick and is PM'ing me..  
[16:30] <Ursinha> Myrtti, amazing how disappointed I get every day with these people
[16:31] <Myrtti> they need a good roundabout smack
[16:31] <jpds> Ursinha: Awww.
[16:31] <Myrtti> Ubuntu is the reason I don't really bother with other channels that much anymore
[16:31] <jpds> Oh, wait, I'm sitting right next to you.
[16:31] <Ursinha> jpds, oh, hi
[16:31] <Ursinha> hahaha
[16:31] <Myrtti> I'm disappointed to see the idiocy every day
[16:32] <Myrtti> I can do with the limited amount of idiocy in the ubuntu community
[17:08] <topyli> "NOTICE: Limited Idiocy only"
[17:10]  * elky got up for an ibuprofen. stupid teeth.
[17:10] <elky> topyli, i have a stupidity quota. i'm *always* exceeding it.
[17:12] <topyli> i believe the quota gets lower over time
[17:12] <topyli> that's my own experience anyway
[17:53] <unix> some flange called Gareth keeps booting me from the cookery room
[17:53] <unix> by that i mean linux for woman
[17:53] <ikonia> ?
[17:53] <Myrtti> bohoo
[17:53] <ikonia> pardon ?
[17:53] <Myrtti> cry me a river
[17:53] <Myrtti> ikonia: -women
[17:53] <ikonia> unix: could you speak in English please, 
[17:53] <ikonia> ooh I see, cookery room = derogatory
[17:54] <Myrtti> unix: live and learn
[17:54] <Myrtti> unix: did you have anything else to discuss?
[17:55] <Myrtti> if not, please leave
[17:55] <unix> you got ops? if so kick me, if not, bugger off
[17:55] <Pici> enough
[17:55] <Pici> Sorry to spoil the fun
[17:56] <Myrtti> he'll change that, he dropped his reversed hostname to get to plain ip address level and did banevasion on -women
[17:56] <Myrtti> it must be a full moon
[17:56] <Myrtti> pleia2: ^
[17:57] <Myrtti> fyi
[17:57] <pleia2> sigh
[17:58] <pleia2> poor gareth, he only got one shot at him :)
[18:50] <balzac> hello
[18:51] <balzac> I just bought my mother a dell mini with Ubuntu pre-installed
[18:51] <Myrtti> @bansearch balzac 
[18:51] <balzac> and Dell sabotaged the boot loader
[18:51] <Myrtti> "oops"
[18:51] <balzac> have I been unbanned yet?
[18:51] <balzac> I want to get my mother's new computer working
[18:53] <balzac> Don't make me email Mr. Shuttleworth...
[18:53] <Tm_T> balzac: t
[18:53] <balzac> hi Tm_T 
[18:54] <Tm_T> that would help you how?
[18:54] <balzac> what?
[18:54] <balzac> if Mark answered my email and told you to let me in?
[18:54] <balzac> that would get me access under my registered nick
[18:54] <Tm_T> wont happen nor work
[18:54] <balzac> but it would be a waste of his time, wouldn't it?
[18:54] <balzac> what, he doesn't answer his email?
[18:54] <balzac> Richard Stallman answers his email. He's not too busy.
[18:54] <Jack_Sparrow> @login
[18:54] <Jack_Sparrow> @btlogin
[18:55] <Myrtti> there's other ways to work out the ban than emailing mark
[18:55] <Myrtti> s/mark/Mark/
[18:55] <Tm_T> indeed, better too
[18:55] <balzac> yeah, like coming here to ask
[18:55] <Jack_Sparrow> balzac  "Please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcTeam/AppealProcess if you feel mistreated"
[18:55] <balzac> no dude
[18:56] <balzac> I'm not going to say "i feel mistreated"
[18:56] <balzac> hehe
[18:56] <balzac> I don't feel mistreated
[18:57] <balzac> I'm not interested in causing embarrassment either
[18:58] <balzac> but in principle, I don't feel inclined to wait six months for some IRC mall cop to forgive my username
[18:58] <balzac> it's silly
[18:58] <balzac> maybe I'll just use another username and another host
[18:59] <balzac> but don't get on my back about evading a ban
[18:59] <balzac> my dear mother needs her password reset and Dell screwed up the boot loader configuration
[19:00] <balzac> so I can't boot into recovery mode by using the instructions given on ubuntu support pages
[19:00] <balzac> if anyone wants to help me here, I'd appreciate it
[19:00] <Myrtti> so, you've been banned pretty much since mid-March
[19:00] <balzac> I guess
[19:00] <balzac> I haven't been keeping track
[19:01] <Myrtti> and the original reason for banning you from #ubuntu was because you refused to stop the offtopic discussion on support only channel
[19:01] <balzac> yep
[19:01] <balzac> well, actually it was because I kept it up in other channels
[19:01] <Myrtti> lets say I'd let you in today, what topics would you discuss on which channel?
[19:01] <balzac> not in #ubuntu
[19:02] <balzac> I would ask how to get past the boot-loader misconfiguration
[19:02] <balzac> I was mildly annoying in #ubuntu, then mildly annoying in other ubuntu channels
[19:02] <balzac> I've never really gotten bent out of shape about this.
[19:03] <Myrtti> would you know not to be that annoying in the future?
[19:03] <balzac> nor have I any personal issues with any ops
[19:03] <Myrtti> ie. could I take the bans off with a clear concience?
[19:03] <balzac> sure, I'll try 
[19:03] <balzac> sure you can
[19:03] <Myrtti> there's one catch here
[19:03] <balzac> because I never tried to be a jerk to anyone, in fact I tried not to be a jerk to LjL
[19:04] <Myrtti> if I let you in, and any one of the ops catches you being a jerk again, you'll be banned, without any warnings.
[19:04] <balzac> because I don't make things personal, except for when I'm trying to make a good impression. 
[19:04] <Myrtti> and the bans would most probably last longer than this one
[19:05] <balzac> You can see in the log once LjL and I became acquainted by first names, I suggested we start fresh, because I don't want to be a jerk to a real person.
[19:05] <balzac> IRC is one thing, but once we're addressing each other as adults or professionals, I'm going to be polite.
[19:06] <Myrtti> balzac: do you understand that your possible future ban will be harder, if we catch you being a jerk again?
[19:06] <balzac> I'm Paul Gaskin, btw.
[19:06] <Myrtti> this thing is based on trust
[19:06] <Mamarok> balzac: so you will not be polite on IRC?
[19:06] <balzac> well, I never said I was a jerk, only annoying.
[19:06] <Mamarok> only in real life?
[19:06] <Myrtti> and if you break the trust this time, we can't trust you to be on the irc channels
[19:06] <balzac> don't worry about trusting me. I'm over 30 and I'm starting a business. 
[19:07] <balzac> http://www.disruptech.com
[19:07] <balzac> and I don't hold grudges over IRC squabbles
[19:07] <balzac> because I don't think I know someone based on IRC banter
[19:08] <balzac> I don't play WoW, but I wouldn't think I knew someone based on having played some WoW with them.
[19:09] <Myrtti> balzac: I'm waiting for an acknowledgement that you understand what I'm saying, before I'm lifting the ban. Do you understand your (perhaps unlikely) future bans may be longer and come without any warnings, if I lift the ban now and break my trust on Ubuntu IRC channels?
[19:09] <balzac> thanks for considering this case with a fresh look
[19:09] <balzac> Myrtti: yeah. I understand.
[19:09] <Myrtti> thank you
[19:10] <balzac> I've been on IRC for years. That's why I'm a little bit cantankerous.
[19:10] <balzac> ok, thanks
[19:10] <Myrtti> I've been on IRC for 15ish years
[19:10] <balzac> 10ish
[19:10] <Myrtti> anyway
[19:10] <Myrtti> off you go
[19:10] <Myrtti> we'll be watching ;-)
[19:10] <Flannel> Myrtti: looks like there's some IP bans too
[19:10] <Myrtti> might be
[19:11] <Flannel> *!*@173-45-238-81.slicehost.net
[19:11] <Flannel> in #u and -ot
[19:11] <Myrtti> I'm not taking the offtopic yet
[19:11] <Flannel> I didn't imply you were, just mentioning it
[19:11] <Myrtti> yeah
[19:11] <Flannel> for a while I thought that same ban was set in #u twice, was confusing
[19:11] <Myrtti> I want to see how he's doing in #ubuntu before rushing to -ot
[19:12] <Myrtti> we need to start looking at LjL's bans at some point - they can't be left on the lists forever
[19:14] <Myrtti> if he looks like he's behaving nicely in #ubuntu, I'm ok with the ban in -ot taken off when he requests, or after couple of days, whichever comes first
[19:15] <Myrtti> @mark balzac note: reviewed original bans and removed them - but reinstate if problems arise
[19:16] <genii> Can the @mark be attached to a specific BT entry by the commandline entry?
[19:16] <Pici> No
[19:16] <genii> OK
[19:29] <genii> Anyone care if I make a !ps3 pointing them to #ubuntu-ps3 ?
[19:31] <LjL> hey - once and for all, since it doesn't seem to be entirely clear
[19:31] <Pici> genii: Go right ahead.
[19:31] <LjL> the floodbots are *only in #ubuntu*
[19:31] <LjL> they're not in #kubuntu, they're not anywhere else, and they *don't* let mibbit people or anyone join there
[19:31] <Pici> eh?
[19:31] <LjL> if there's bans in those channels, it just means that such people won't join
[19:32]  * Pici knows this
[19:32] <LjL> Pici: others apparently don't
[19:32] <Pici> LjL: okay ;)
[19:32] <Flannel> Pici: there was some question about it last night
[19:32] <Pici> Ah
[19:33] <Pici> Also, completely unrelated, but I'm this close to getting rid of grexo, and his clones.
[19:33] <LjL> also, grep grexo in -offtopic, for goodness sake, he's been in from mibbit a number of times as well as with that nickname, and he's *so* an idiot
[19:33] <LjL> good news.
[19:33]  * LjL waves
[19:37] <Flannel> Jack_Sparrow: you've got your hat on in #u
[19:37] <Jack_Sparrow> Flannel thanks
[19:38] <Jack_Sparrow> Ikonia as well
[19:39] <Pici> gotta get back to work, can someone keep an eye on grexo in -ot?
[19:52] <Pici> banned
[19:52] <Pici> ah, and klined too
[19:56] <genii> !ps3
[19:56] <genii> Looks OK?
[19:56] <Seeker`> need a <reply> before "Aside"
[19:57] <jussi01> !bot
[19:57] <jussi01> genii: read the usage info ;)
[19:58] <Myrtti> kids
[20:00] <genii> jussi01: Will do
[20:01]  * genii twiddles more in pm with the bot
[20:07] <genii> !ps3
[20:12] <jussi01> genii: you know we have arm and others also?
[20:15] <genii> jussi01: Yes, but those two were the ones I knew for sure about the channels to point them to
[20:17] <genii> There's also a Sparc, but looks like no freenode channel for it
[20:19] <jussi01> yeah and LPIA
[20:19] <Mamarok> hm, waeren't sparc and ppc dropped?
[20:19] <Mamarok> oh, lpia is brand new
[20:20] <Mamarok> jussi01: you know how to debug network for Jaunty?
[20:20] <Mamarok> I'm sick of getting questions and not being able to answer
[20:20] <jussi01> Mamarok: not overly, and besides Im only half here
[20:20]  * Mamarok should take some time and read the forums
[20:21] <genii> Mamarok: They are community-supported by the people who keep updating it to run on newer dists than from when Canonical stopped support
[20:21] <Mamarok> genii: ok, good to know then :)
[20:21] <jussi01> *g*
[20:21] <jussi01> !search ps3
[20:22] <Myrtti> lolz
[20:22] <jussi01> genii: nice..
[20:22] <genii> I thought I told the bot to forget that one :/
[20:23] <Myrtti> it did
[20:23] <Myrtti> that's what * stands for
[20:23] <genii> I put by accident in pm with the bot something like: genii yadda factoidname is whatever
[20:23] <genii> (Thinking it would not resond since factoid name is 3rd thing in)
[21:29] <genii> topyli: You on top of #u-ot ?
[21:29] <topyli> more or less
[21:30] <genii> OK. Just looked like there's some nasty friction in there right now
[21:31] <topyli> there is
[22:02] <Pici> gotta run, been at work long enough today
[22:05] <genii> Here too. Back from home later