[01:13] <alienkid10> does this guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomizationFromScratch still work for making a liveCD?
[01:14] <alienkid10> is there anything I need to change command wise to make it work with Jaunty?
[01:51] <Aqa> i need help on these commands
[01:52] <Aqa> http://paste.ubuntu.com/181658/
[01:52] <Aqa> i need help how to do these commands
[01:52] <Aqa> http://paste.ubuntu.com/181658/
[02:08] <Aqa> i am angry with u all :(
[03:30] <rocko> www.albumoftheday.com/facebook
[03:58] <KoshB5> after doing an update; I've lost my wireless internet. I'm able to connect to the network, just not the internet. any suggestions?
[03:59] <KoshB5> version is Jaunty. System is a Compaq 5441 256M ram, and PCI graphics card
[04:02] <Venport> I all anyone know how to add a keyboard shortcut for the terminal in xubuntu? It's not the same as ubuntu
[04:02] <Venport> !keys
[13:20] <domeec> Hi!
[13:20] <vidd> hello domeec
[13:20] <domeec> Has somebody  managed to install xubuntu on usb 2gb?
[13:23] <domeec> I knew Xubuntu was not so big and people was able to install it on 2gb pen, but me...No can u help me please?
[13:26] <vidd> domeec, sorry...that is outside my experience
[13:26] <knome> domeec, it might be a little tight.
[13:28] <knome> domeec, i have a 4GB eeepc, and i usually end up with only about ~1GB space left
[13:29] <knome> domeec, i suggest to use minimal
[13:29] <knome> !minimal | domeec
[13:32] <domeec> That MinimalCD is for Ubuntu
[13:32] <Pres-Gas> domeec, but you can then select what packages you want from xfce4/xubuntu
[13:33] <domeec> :-)
[13:33] <knome> domeec, xubuntu shares the same base as ubuntu
[13:33] <Pres-Gas> domeec, you will initially start out with a text terminal and no gui, if I remember right.
[13:33] <knome> domeec, minimal cd doesn't install any DE by default, which is the main difference between ubuntu/xubuntu/kubuntu/...
[13:33] <knome> Pres-Gas is right. you have to select to install a graphical environment
[13:34] <domeec> mmh...Gold... not gui? I can see me doing a mess....
[13:34] <knome> nope, just install xfce
[13:34] <domeec> Ok, but were find the instruction to install xfce?
[13:35] <knome> domeec, echo 'apt::Install-Recommends "0" ;' | sudo tee -a /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/01ubuntu
[13:35] <knome> domeec, i suggest you to use that command
[13:35] <knome> domeec, jaunty installs recommends by default, but that disables that feature and you will be left with more space
[13:36] <domeec> That's cool
[13:36] <knome> domeec, then you can try to install xubuntu-desktop package (sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop)
[13:37] <knome> domeec, that *should* fit in 2GB, but if it recommends it uses too much space, then cancel and install xfce4-something
[13:37] <knome> domeec, i suppose just "xfce4"
[13:37] <vidd> domeec, you also might want to consider using a lighter *buntu
[13:37] <vidd> for example, lxde
[13:37] <knome> vidd, i think the lighter *buntus are not that much smaller HD-wise
[13:38] <knome> vidd, if you only install the DE/WM
[13:38] <vidd> the only differences is the final package
[13:38] <vidd> knome, you take out the recommends and there is a big difference in size
[13:40] <vidd> domeec, but...on second thought...without recommends, lxde needs a lot of tweeking to work properly
[13:40] <Pres-Gas> komme, that is a great command for finding just what you need
[13:40] <knome> vidd, yes, but if you take out the recommends, after that there is not difference between lxde and xfce
[13:40]  * Pres-Gas makes note of that
[13:40] <vidd> knome, your insane
[13:41] <knome> vidd, me? ;)
[13:41] <vidd> yes
[13:41] <knome> why? :)
[13:41] <vidd> xfce requires gdm
[13:41] <knome> does not require, if you insist on using something else
[13:41] <knome> that might lead into some problems, but the xfce devs have managed to run xfce correctly without gdm
[13:41] <vidd> lxde requires no DM, so you can use whatever one you want
[13:41] <knome> ;)
[13:42] <knome> i've used xfce without a DM at all also.
[13:43] <vidd> let me rephrase....
[13:43] <vidd> you had said xubuntu-desktop
[13:43] <vidd> that requires gdm
[13:43] <vidd> lxde does not
[13:43] <knome> yeah.
[13:44] <knome> yeah. but gdm is not *that* big.
[13:44] <knome> it'll fit nicely in 2GB
[13:44] <vidd> no...by itself...its rather small
[13:44] <vidd> its the other baggage it brings =]
[13:45] <domeec> Till now I hope having understood something dudes, let try. Thanks...
[13:46] <knome> domeec, np. have fun and good luck.
[13:46] <vidd> it really irks me that rather then take the time to fix packages to require that which they need, the powers that be decided to force recommends upon us
[13:46] <knome> yep.
[13:46] <domeec> I forgot
[13:46] <domeec> As reguards grub?
[13:46] <knome> grub will be installed by minimal
[13:46] <knome> i'd suppose...
[13:47] <domeec> can I choose to put it on usb pen?
[13:47] <knome> uh, yes, i suppose also
[13:47]  * vidd is away
[14:00]  * vidd is back
[14:09] <premorphos> hey. when using skype. i lose loads of packets. resulting in poor sound qualety. is there any settings that wuld fix this.
[14:10] <vidd> premorphos, what speed internet/type of internet you have?
[14:11] <vidd> premorphos, also, is that system connected wirelessly or hard-wired to your router?
[14:11] <premorphos> vidd: speed duno,54 usb wifi
[14:11] <premorphos> prob adsl.
[14:12] <vidd> premorphos, so you wirelessly connect to someone else's internet??
[14:12] <premorphos> works well with everything else
[14:12] <KoshB5> I've installed and updated Jaunty only to loose my wireless internet. I can only connect to the network. I've flushed iptables and used the ifup to no effect.
[14:13] <premorphos> no it is in my office
[14:13] <KoshB5> How do I fix it short of reinstalling?
[14:13] <vidd> premorphos, so you wirelessly connect to your work router?
[14:13] <vidd> KoshB5, can you pastebin me your /etc/network/interfaces ?
[14:13] <premorphos> vidd: i gess so...
[14:13] <vidd> !pastebin
[14:14] <vidd> premorphos, wireless is notorious for losing backets
[14:14] <vidd> normal web apps you dont notice, because they re-request the dropped packets
[14:14] <premorphos> of course.. but same thing happen when i use the tcp cable
[14:14] <vidd> try connecting wired to verify this is not your issue
[14:15] <vidd> premorphos, did you disable the wifi when you plugged in the cable?
[14:16] <premorphos> yes. do you thing it has some thing with alsa todo?
[14:16] <vidd> for some strange reason, linux defers to wifi over wired if both are active
[14:16] <vidd> premorphos, no, i dont hink alsa has anything to do with your issue at all
[14:16] <premorphos> hmm
[14:17] <vidd> i think the issue is that your wifi is dropping packets like all wifi does
[14:17] <vidd> try disabling your wifi, and then connect wire
[14:18] <vidd> verify this by disable wifi, go to a web page (it should fail to load) connected wired, go to web page (it should load)
[14:19] <vidd> then see if you get packet loss on skype
[14:19] <premorphos> vidd, could the issue of me being in turky trying to reach sweden have any thing to do with it?.. "conecting my cable now"
[14:19] <vidd> premorphos, it shouldnt
[14:19] <vidd> premorphos, btw ... marhaba
[14:19] <vidd> =]
[14:20] <vidd> KoshB5, you get your network interfaces pastebin'd for me?
[14:25] <vidd> KoshB5, you there?
[14:26] <vidd> premorphos_, marhaba
[14:29] <vidd> premorphos_, you having any luck?
[14:29] <premorphos_> marhaba vidd abi: now im wired, result: no packet loss, but still verry low output from the mic. it works well under any outer circomstanses but skype.
[14:30] <premorphos_> vidd: are you in turky two?
[14:30] <vidd> premorphos_, i spent a year there
[14:30] <vidd> outside of c,urlu
[14:31] <vidd> =]
[14:31] <premorphos_> sweet.. doing what?
[14:31] <vidd> U.S. Army
[14:31] <premorphos_> im in ankara in writing moment
[14:31] <premorphos_> interesting
[14:31] <DetroitLibertyPe> yesterday I download a progam (Mozilla Songbird, extracted .tar.gz, all necessary files containe, no need to compile) and it ran fine from where I extracted it, today it just won't boot, when I click it thre the file browser I get no action, try to runn from the console and it just goes to the next line # with no action no error and no program starting, I tried rebooting my comp, same thing, deleted it and re-downloaded again on 
[14:32] <vidd> DetroitLibertyPe, try installing it
[14:32] <vidd> premorphos_, i dont know a lot about skype....im more of a connection expert
[14:32] <DetroitLibertyPe> vidd: via?
[14:33] <vidd> apt-get i believe
[14:33] <DetroitLibertyPe> Puppy has apt-get
[14:33] <premorphos_> or synaptic
[14:33] <DetroitLibertyPe> oops! room, my bad!
[14:34] <vidd> DetroitLibertyPe, what version of linux you using?
[14:34] <vidd> (songbird does not appear to be in my repo's)
[14:35] <DetroitLibertyPe> well, my PC is Xubunutu, this issue was on my wifes' wich is Puppy Linux, which is why i realized I was in the wrong room and said "oops! room, my bad!"
[14:35] <vidd> DetroitLibertyPe, np
[14:35] <vidd> we help when we can
[14:36] <vidd> im dl'ing the app now....
[14:36] <vidd> where did you extract it to?
[14:36] <premorphos_> ok thanx vidd: i got a free tutorial on tcp meets wifi in clash of packet loss.
[14:36] <vidd> premorphos_, hehe...im not free =]
[14:37] <vidd> im open source
[14:37] <vidd> =]
[14:37] <premorphos_> haha ok. i got it.
[14:49] <premorphos> speaking of open source and xubuntu. how does one rely get involved, and get a deeper understanding of the system xubuntu. any pointers from you pro's is deeply appreciated
[14:51] <TheSheep> premorphos: check out http://xubuntu.org
[14:54] <premorphos> tnx
[14:58] <genii> !contribute
[16:51] <zs> hi there, I have xubuntu 9.04 but there is no vncviewer? what is the name of package?
[16:52] <vidd> zs, the app is vncviewer
[16:52] <vidd> zs, sudo apt-get install vncviewer
[16:52] <Slonkie> Remote Desktop Viewer in network ?
[16:52] <Slonkie> by default it's there?
[16:53] <vidd> Slonkie, is it?
[16:53] <zs> Slonkie, Couldn't find package vncviewer
[16:54] <Slonkie> i recall having it after a clean install of jaunty, yes.
[16:54] <Slonkie> but that's vinagre
[16:55] <Slonkie> I used vinagre to connect to a RealVNC vnc
[16:55] <zs> ok got it working, thanks
[17:01] <FelineMonstrosit> Hi. I'm pretty new to Linux. I'm having a problem copying a file to a USB stick - my computer simply won't let me. I have read&write permissions. I've tried using terminal but I can't get it to move because the directory has a space in it - /media/Bootable Utilities
[17:02] <vidd> FelineMonstrosit, cp /path/to/file /media/Bootable\ Utilities
[17:02] <vidd> or rename the destination folder
[17:02] <FelineMonstrosit> Can't rename it. I'll try what you said.
[17:02] <vidd> =]
[17:04] <FelineMonstrosit> Terminal tells me it's a read-only system. I'm a system admin, could I possibly use a sudo command?
[17:05] <vidd> FelineMonstrosit, you may need to install tools to read/write to the file format on that drive if it is not ext*, fat12, 16, or 32
[17:05] <FelineMonstrosit> sudo command didn't work, for the same reason.
[17:05] <vidd> what file format is that drive?
[17:05] <FelineMonstrosit> I don't know. How do I check?
[17:06] <vidd> can you see the usb drive in your file manager?
[17:07] <FelineMonstrosit> Yes
[17:07] <vidd> can you open files stored on it?
[17:08] <FelineMonstrosit> Yes
[17:12] <vidd> where these files from a windows system?
[17:12] <FelineMonstrosit> No, a Mac
[17:12] <vidd> ok
[17:13] <vidd> what file system does a mac use?!?
[17:13] <FelineMonstrosit> Finder
[17:14] <FelineMonstrosit> That's what it's called, I don't know anything more technical than that
[17:14] <vidd> unfortunantly, neither do i
[17:14] <FelineMonstrosit> Does that mean you can't tell me how to copy files onto it?
[17:15] <vidd> well here is the thing....
[17:16] <vidd> in order to write to a file system, you have to speak the same language
[17:17] <vidd> i dont know if linux, by default, can write to mac file system
[17:17] <vidd> i know you need special tools for NTFS
[17:18] <FelineMonstrosit> OK, thank you
[17:23] <moodog> evening :)
[17:38] <genii> vidd: For linux to understand hfs, read/write to them, packages: hfsplus, hfsutils, and hfsprogs need install. Then also the kernel module the package provides needs to me loaded
[17:38] <genii> *be
[18:46] <vidd> genii, thank you for the enlightenment...but the individual that needed that info left about 20 minutes b4 you stated it =\
[18:46] <vidd> genii, and then...my reply is fasionably late as well =]
[18:47] <genii> vidd: More than for completeness of logs :)
[18:48] <vidd> hehe
[19:21] <spimmer> hi
[19:21] <spimmer> help me
[19:22] <vidd> !help
[19:22] <vidd> spimmer, can you be slightly more specific as to the nature of the issue?
[19:23] <spimmer> xfce + nautilus use
[19:23] <vidd> o.....k.....
[19:23] <spimmer> how to nautilus default
[19:23] <vidd> what about it?
[19:23] <vidd> is nautilus installed?
[19:23] <spimmer> yes
[19:24] <vidd> so open the default apps and set it as the default file manager
[19:24] <spimmer> yes how to
[19:24] <vidd> i dont understand
[19:25] <vidd> open the default apps utility in your settings manager
[19:25] <spimmer> default apps utility ?
[19:25] <spimmer> there?
[19:26] <vidd> did you even BOTHER to look?
[19:26] <xerox1> flash movies cause my firefox to slow down the whole system: cpu usage rises immediately to a really huge value; any suggestions for this?
[19:26] <vidd> applications->Settings->Settings Manager->Prefered appplications
[19:27] <vidd> xerox1, use a different flash-playing utility or upgrade your system
[19:27] <spimmer> there is no contents Terminal, Web Browser, Mail reader only
[19:29] <xerox1> vidd, system is 9.04 (if you thought of software)...hardware should also be fulfiling this (intel centrino, 1gb ram, 128 mb graphical ram (intel on board))
[19:29] <vidd> spimmer, then i dont know...i try to avoid bloatware myself
[19:29] <vidd> xerox1, what app are you using to play the movie?
[19:30] <vidd> spimmer, what pages did your google search turn up? or the search of the forums and wiki?
[19:30] <xerox1> vidd, how can i determine which app is used by firefox? i would like to use vlc plugin if possible
[19:31] <spimmer> yes this issue non
[19:31] <vidd> xerox1, flash does not come pre-installed...so its whatever app you chose to use
[19:31] <vidd> spimmer, surely you jest
[19:32] <xerox1> vidd, if have installed adobe flash player 10
[19:32] <vidd> spimmer, http://www.google.com/search?q=xubuntu+nautilus&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=com.ubuntu:en-US:unofficial&client=firefox-a
[19:32] <vidd> 10 pages of hits
[19:33] <vidd> spimmer, the VERY FIRST item has step by step instructions
[19:34] <vidd> xerox1, try uninstalling that and get gnash or one of the open source alternatives
[19:34] <vidd> or get LOTS more ram
[19:34] <spimmer> very hard..
[19:35] <vidd> xerox1, personally, i pause the movie, wait for it to completly dl, and then watch it in gxine
[19:35] <vidd> spimmer, how so?
[19:37] <vidd> spimmer, you ever going to use thunar?
[19:38] <xerox1> vidd, yeah but a video that takes half an hour takes me to wait for over an hour having it load (even if i am only interested in the first 5 minutes)
[19:39] <vidd> xerox1, REMOVE THE FLASH PLAYER AND GET A DIFFERENT ONE
[19:40] <xerox1> vidd, thanks for help, but no need for shouting
[19:40] <vidd> spimmer, yes? no?
[19:40] <vidd> xerox1, the caps was in error
[19:40] <vidd> the caps lock is right next to the tab key =]
[19:41] <xerox1> vidd, ;)
[19:41] <spimmer> no
[19:41] <vidd> spimmer, then why not simply uninstall thunar?
[19:42] <spimmer> sftp connect
[19:42] <spimmer> us
[19:42] <spimmer> e
[19:42] <vidd> huh?
[19:43] <spimmer> thunar not conneted sftpd..
[19:44] <vidd> spimmer, what are you doing?
[19:44] <vidd> what does sftpd have to do with "sudo apt-get remove --purge thunar"?
[19:45] <spimmer> yes
[19:46] <vidd> spimmer, how is that even possible to construe as a yes-no question?!?
[19:48] <vidd> spimmer, what is your native language?
[19:49] <spimmer> korean
[19:50] <spimmer> sorry
[19:50] <vidd> !korean | spimmer,
[19:50] <spimmer> thank you!
[19:50] <vidd> they may be more helpful
[19:51] <vidd> the language barrier is killing us
[20:24] <sorend> hey, is there some tip to use the volume control without a scroll-mouse (I have a thinkpad laptop)
[20:24] <vidd> sorend, unfortunantly no......
[20:24] <sorend> vidd: ;(
[20:25] <cody-somerville> You can click on it and it'll open up the mixer
[20:25] <cody-somerville> you might also try using multimedia keys on your keyboard if you have them
[20:25] <Slonkie> sorend you chould add keyboard shortcuts
[20:25] <vidd> the slider bar that was so conviently included in previous versions of xubuntu has been discarded for this worthless "pretty-boy" app
[20:27] <vidd> you cant even get this app above 90% volume without opening the mixer
[20:27] <sorend> hm, the shortcuts is a good idea
[20:27] <sorend> thinkpad keys are supported and there is even some osd for it
[20:29] <sorend> but, what "mixer" does those keys control, it doesn't seem to affect any alsa controlled ;/
[20:30] <vidd> sorend, used to be with the previous volume manager, these keys were auto-enabled...but that functionality was also discarded
[20:30] <Barridus> hi, new to xfce but not to 'buntu.  how can the main menus be edited?
[20:34] <Barridus> halp pls
[20:34] <sorend> vidd: i guess i can just disable that volume control, its not that useful without scroll mouse ;/
[20:35] <sorend> gives me a tiny 64x64 more screen estate :D
[20:37] <Barridus> main applications menu can't be edited?
[20:40] <zoredache> Barridus: not really
[20:42] <Barridus> so if i wanted to manually add something or put it in a new folder, i'm SOL?