[00:13] <JontheEchidna> We should so use these for Karmic: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/Kubuntu+Oxygen+Splash+Screen?content=105737
[00:14] <JontheEchidna> Maybe the doods at UDS could discuss that?
[00:19] <neversfelde> JontheEchidna: nice :)
[00:24] <neversfelde> Kubuntu had always a special theme with KDE3, I love oxygen, but I think a bit of branding is not so bad
[00:24] <neversfelde> was that discussed on UDS?
[00:29] <JontheEchidna> dunno
[00:29] <JontheEchidna> but I think we can maintain upstream identity through artwork while still giving ourselves a bit of branding
[00:29] <JontheEchidna> such as through that start icon and splash screen
[00:30] <neversfelde> +1
[00:31] <neversfelde> I think we should also provide a custom wallpaper
[00:32] <neversfelde> probably a bluer one but similar to ubuntu gnome ;)
[00:54] <nixternal> I say we go brown!
[00:56] <neversfelde> yeah, gnome is so blue in vanilla, so we should go brown/orange
[00:58] <neversfelde> probably Ubuntu can use our blue than :D
[01:00] <neversfelde> s/than/then
[01:00] <neversfelde> wb Tonio_
[02:24] <KDesk> Hello, I was wondering if it is planned to include PulseAudio in Kubuntu in the near future?
[02:24] <tsimpson> god I hope not
[02:25] <KDesk> tsimpson: why?
[02:25] <tsimpson> because there is a never-ending stream of complaints about it
[02:25] <tsimpson> and I don't get why it's needed anyway
[02:26] <JontheEchidna> imo pulseaudio is little benefit for the average user and one more layer in the pile of "things that can and probably will go wrong)
[02:27] <KDesk> But why has Ubuntu pulseaudio? And fedora, opensuse, mandriva?
[02:29] <tsimpson> probably because Gnome has get to develop a smarter way to deal with sound
[02:33] <KDesk> The first time I used PA in a distro installed by default it was in Ubuntu Hardy, it was bad, and full of problems. Some days ago I installed PA in Kubuntu and it works with out problems, like without it, but with the benefit of the easy of configuring a 5.1 channel sytem, sending sound via the network to another machine. I think PA is _now_ grate. It works, with many features, like any modens OS.
[02:35] <KDesk> tsimpson: Mandriva, opensuse (don't know about fedora or others) have PA instaled by default with KDE desktop.
[02:36] <JontheEchidna> coincidentially, they're the ones with the worst track record for working Amarok installs.
[02:36] <JontheEchidna> due to combinations of the phonon gstreamer backend and PA
[02:37] <JontheEchidna> or, I should say, amarok gets tons of bug reports caused by PA and phonon-gstreamer because Mandravia and openSUSE include it by default
[02:38] <JontheEchidna> to the point that they close bugs with PA and gstreamer stuff in the crash backtrace right out
[02:38] <KDesk> JontheEchidna: but it is possible to use xine as engine, an xine doens't have problems with PA.
[02:38] <JontheEchidna> Which is not to say that either distro is bad, but PA by default does cost them
[02:38] <JontheEchidna> gstreamer's not the only problem, there are plenty of PA crashes too
[02:39] <KDesk> Amarok 2 with phonon, and phonon wih xine and PA works with no problems. Why gstreamer?
[02:40] <KDesk> PA's version of jaunty is ok for me with 2 pcs.
[02:40] <KDesk> JontheEchidna: Why doesn't Ubuntu devs remove PA?
[02:40] <KDesk> from default install..
[02:40]  * JontheEchidna shrugs
[02:41] <JontheEchidna> Pulseaudio devs like Pulseaudio I suppose
[02:43] <KDesk> JontheEchidna: Yea, but do they work with Ubuntu and not with Kubuntu? I mean why the Canonical devs of any devs from Ubuntu remove PA if that is so bad, or was, Iam sure it was rely bad.
[02:44] <JontheEchidna> Kubuntu doesn't have any devs that work with PulseAudio really, that's something you'd have to ask the Ubuntu guys
[02:47] <KDesk> Hmm, sure they say it will work better or that is is right now not bad, bad if they use it, and many other distros, what are the advantages and disadvantages to use it. If more people use it, I supose it will get better.
[02:49] <KDesk> I think it is (when it works) something that is going to fix the linux audio problem. DRI2 and that new things are going to fix graphics, but the audio is so problematic. I was trying to configure a 5.1 sound system. I hate that, it is so comlicated, rely, and the audio quality at resampleing (I tihng it's dmix problem).
[02:52] <KDesk> Kubuntu needs something new to fix the audio problem, I thought PA can do this, but I don't know. Let's hope that the solution (any) will come soon.
[03:01] <vorian> yoooo
[03:17] <JontheEchidna> krazy is a tiny bit of a bitch to install
[03:17] <JontheEchidna> turns out I needed libxml-libxml-perl instead of libxml-perl
[03:19] <vorian> are you sure you don't need libxml-libxml-libxml-perl-perl?
[03:19] <JontheEchidna> I wouldn't be surprised :P
[03:20] <vorian> i think sabdfl did it
[03:20] <vorian> :o
[03:25]  * JontheEchidna runs krazy over quickaccess to see how bad it is
[03:29] <JontheEchidna> might take a bit, heh
[04:11] <nixternal> working on a custom Kubuntu KDM setup, so I google KDM, look at image, and this is what I find: http://www.linuxonline.biz/images/kdm.png
[04:12] <nixternal> wonder where they got that from
[04:12] <vorian> haha
[04:13] <nixternal> guarantee I took that screenshot in vbox
[04:13] <nixternal> 1023x768
[04:13] <nixternal> missing 1 pixel
[04:13] <nixternal> pixel column
[04:15] <vorian> is that 7.10?
[04:15] <nixternal> 8.04
[04:54] <ScottK> JontheEchidna and neversfelde: We've discussed the question of branding a little bit at UDS.  One of the points that came up is that since we actually deviate less from upstream than other distros, we actually stand out.
[04:54] <ScottK> We seem to have a reputation as the most 'pure' KDE distro out there and so we differentiate by doing less work.
[04:55] <ScottK> nixternal: So it's not even 6am here, but I'm up due to guess who's snoring ....
[05:00] <nixternal> haha
[05:01] <nixternal> ScottK: I did that on one day last UDS as well
[05:01] <ScottK> Yeah.  I thought you'd like that.
[05:01] <nixternal> I was up at 5am, went to bed at like 2:30
[05:01] <nixternal> walked over to starbucks and loaded up on red eyes
[05:02] <nixternal> find tonio and have him get/make you a latte
[05:02] <nixternal> he made me one at google that took the enamel off my teeth
[05:10] <ScottK> Heh.
[05:11] <ScottK> I crashed early last night because I was feeling "not very good", so it's not bad.  Getting some work done.
[06:39] <nixternal> http://www.nixternal.com/files/kdm.JPG  - groovy kdm I just started :)
[06:39] <nixternal> have to admit, takes getting used to when doing that crap
[07:05] <Quintasan> hiho
[07:20] <astromme> nixternal: looks good. Is that a camera screenshot?
[07:21] <nixternal> hehe ya
[07:21] <nixternal> to lazy to put it in vbox right now while I play around
[07:21] <nixternal> I will go there once I have an alpha of it, then I will use vbox and various resolutions to tweak it
[07:21] <astromme> nixternal: you could pair it with a modification of the "Glassified" splash screen
[07:21] <astromme> (kde-look.org)
[07:22] <nixternal> I am using air
[07:22] <nixternal> glassified was to much, glass
[07:22] <astromme> iirc air doesn't have its own splash screen?
[07:22] <nixternal> air has a better opacity, and is similar to the old school kubuntu kdm login, which is what I am working towards with this
[07:22] <astromme> I agree, and I'm using air too
[07:22] <nixternal> nope, I am making one :)
[07:23]  * astromme needs to go to bed. ugh, 1:30 am already?
[07:23] <nixternal> hehe, same here
[07:23] <nixternal> going to say up for a couple of more hours and catch a couple of the UDS sessions
[07:24]  * astromme notes that Chicago is in the same timezone as Minneapolis. oh, yeah :P
[07:24] <nixternal> hehe
[07:24] <astromme> nixternal: very cool. Well, I have to put in a dock at 8:00 so I need my sleep
[07:25]  * astromme wishes nixternal the best with his new kdm theme. :)
[07:26] <nixternal> hehe, thanks...g'nite
[08:50] <ScottK> sebas: Are you coming to the messaging session?
[08:50] <nixternal> this I gotta listen to
[08:51] <ScottK> nixternal: It's #7.
[08:51] <nixternal> already in there
[08:51] <nixternal> http://smouch.net/lol/ <- this is the way to do messaging notifications here
[08:52] <yuriy> quassel's preview *almost* saved me
[08:52] <nixternal> I heard you
[08:52] <nixternal> no, go away!
[08:53] <nixternal> you got rick rolled!
[08:53] <nixternal> i have been listening into rooms trying to get people to click on that to see if I can hear um get rick rolled
[09:00] <maco> nixternal, i think most of us have our speakers muted
[09:02] <nixternal> where is the gobby doc for this?
[09:02] <Riddell> dx-karmic-kde-integration
[09:03] <nixternal> thank you sir
[09:03] <maco> im switching to that session
[09:04] <yuriy> bring a chair :P
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[09:10] <maco> that was because after scottk fetched me a chair, 2 more people showed up
[09:10] <nixternal> hehe
[09:11] <maco> they were rgreening and um....someone with curly hair
[09:11] <maco> looks kinda like jacob peddicord, but i dont think that's him
[09:11] <ryanakca> maco: Roman?
[09:11] <ScottK> maco: That's shtylman (or something close to that) who is our Installer hero for Jaunty
[09:11] <maco> oh ok
[09:12] <maco> he's the kde4 OOo person too then
[09:12] <ScottK> That too
[09:12] <ryanakca> http://pim.kde.org/akonadi/ for the diagram
[09:33] <maco> * ScottK points at me
[09:36] <maco> (for the KDE user who uses Pidgin thing)
[09:50] <Mamarok> morning everyone
[09:58] <ScottK> Good morning Mamarok
[09:58] <Mamarok> huhu ScottK
[10:18] <Mamarok> what's that package again which enables Ctrl+Alt+Backspace again?
[10:18] <Mamarok> in Jaunty?
[10:26] <maco> Mamarok, zontzap
[10:26] <maco> or you can edit xorg.conf manually
[10:26] <Riddell> dontzap
[10:26] <maco> or well...there's a gui way in kde
[10:26] <Riddell> which is integrated with the display part of system settings
[10:27] <Mamarok> Riddell: yep, just seen that too
[10:35] <yuriy> input please: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuKarmicApport
[10:37] <Riddell> Tonio_: http://duncan.mac-vicar.com/blog/archives/545
[10:48] <Riddell> yuriy: looks good after a quick readthrough
[10:49] <yuriy> ok. hmm apachelogger is gone. nixternal you were advocating dr konqi as well?
[11:09] <jussi01> grr... where is the direct download of jaunty kubuntu DVD?
[11:13] <Riddell> smarter: you listening to this?
[11:13] <smarter> hey
[11:13] <smarter> listening to what?
[11:14] <Riddell> smarter: arora discussion
[11:14] <Riddell> room 5
[11:14]  * smarter is just back from school and has a 2 hour break to eat
[11:14] <smarter> Riddell: link? :)
[11:15] <Riddell> smarter: http://icecast.ubuntu.com:8000/room5.ogg.m3u
[11:15] <smarter> hopefully my connection will stay stable while I listen to this :)
[11:15] <smarter> thanks
[11:16] <smarter> is that a video stream or only an audio stream?
[11:16] <Riddell> audio only
[11:16] <ryanakca> only audio
[11:16] <smarter> okay
[11:16] <maco> ah! correction: that OOo annoyance you all probably overheard: it's fixed in OOo 3
[11:16] <maco> i haven't touched OOo since Hardy :P
[11:17] <maco> 1 down, 499 to go....
[11:17] <smarter> Riddell: is there a list of the people who're talking somewhere?
[11:17] <Riddell> this is schmidtm_
[11:17] <Riddell> no
[11:17] <Riddell> this is ScottK
[11:18] <Riddell> this is Tonio_
[11:18] <smarter> heh, I knew there was a French accent there :P
[11:18] <maco> smarter, the female is me
[11:18] <maco> ah, figured out how to make OOo add new colors w/o overwriting old ones
[11:22] <Riddell> smarter: KWallet?  yay or nay?
[11:22] <smarter> Riddell: added it to my todo ;)
[11:23] <smarter> Riddell: will probably get to it once school is over(in a month)
[11:24] <smarter> :]
[11:24]  * Tonio_ kisses smarter on the left part of his ass ;)
[11:24] <smarter> heh :o
[11:24] <Tonio_> not in the middle you noticed ;)
[11:24] <smarter> :p
[11:25] <jussi01> strem is cruddy... keeps cutting off :/
[11:25] <smarter> works surprisingly great here
[11:25] <jussi01> grr
[11:25] <smarter> jussi01: try VLC?
[11:26] <jussi01> hrm... amarok sucks then... but lemme try
[11:26] <Tonio_> smarter: seriously, his would be awesome :)
[11:26] <jussi01> and while Im at it, someone point me to the kubuntu jaunty dvd...
[11:26] <yuriy> yeah amarok is not great for those icecast  streams
[11:26]  * Tonio_ is sorry for that, last comment... just was extactic
[11:26] <smarter> jussi01: phonon already has trouble with local files, don't ask for too much :p
[11:26] <smarter> np ;)
[11:27] <smarter> kde searchproviders are in .desktop, Arora uses the OpenSearch standard, as Firefox et al
[11:27] <smarter> (since 0.7, yes)
[11:27] <jussi01> ahh, better
[11:27] <ryanakca> yuriy: It's in a PPA
[11:27] <yuriy> ryanakca: which?
[11:27] <smarter> a migration tool would require some work
[11:28] <smarter> thought we could just rewrite them by hand and put them in kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts
[11:28] <ryanakca> https://launchpad.net/~mapopa/+archive/arora-stable
[11:29] <Riddell> smarter: where are those stored?
[11:29] <maco> i can think of a few folks in one of my city's LUGs that would be annoyed at the removal of Konqueror
[11:29] <smarter> Riddell: Arora store them in ~/.local/share/data/Arora/searchengines
[11:29] <maco> they were complaining recently about how Dolphin was an insufficient replacement
[11:29] <smarter> oh, flux just stopped
[11:30] <ryanakca> maco: I don't think it'll be removed, it just wont be default, provided that arora's upstream is willing to deliver
[11:30] <smarter> works again :)
[11:30] <smarter> Riddell: one problem may be that Arora, as Qt, doesn't have a system-wide config directory
[11:30] <smarter> or if there's one, it's well hidden :)
[11:30] <maco> yuriy, totem works fine for icecast streams
[11:30] <jussi01> must be my internet... stream cut off again :/
[11:31] <maco> (yes, i still install & use a bunch of gnome apps)
[11:34] <smarter> The "type myspace and end up on myspace.com" will be part of the next release of Arora(I'm working in it ;))
[11:35] <jussi01> yay!!
[11:35] <jussi01> smarter: very good
[11:35] <jussi01> I love that feature
[11:35] <jussi01> is it not just the im feeling lucky from google though?
[11:35] <smarter> yep
[11:35] <jussi01> :D
[11:36] <smarter> that's what every browser does actually :)
[11:36] <ryanakca> yuriy: htop doesn't show arora as using very many ressources here, 0.0CPU, and about 5.6MEM with a dozen tabs, compared to 15+CPU and 30+MEM when I leave firefox runnig for a while
[11:36] <smarter> keyword shortcuts (à la Konqueror) will b there too
[11:36] <freeflying> can u use kubuntu.org mail now
[11:36]  * smarter stops the stream and go take his lunch
[11:36] <Mamarok> using internet streams with Totem...*shudder*
[11:37]  * smarter hopes mplayer -dumpaudio option does what he thinks it does and will record the meeting :)
[11:38] <ryanakca> krunner shortcuts work in arora
[11:40] <Riddell> this nice http://moztw.org/demo/audioplayer/
[11:50]  * smarter is back
[11:50] <Riddell> smarter: Java?  does it work?
[11:50] <smarter> damn, mplayer died
[11:51] <smarter> never tested pr
[11:51] <smarter> not even sure if I've it installed :P
[11:52]  * smarter installs sun-java6-plugin
[11:55] <Riddell> smarter: CSS overriding and turning off?
[11:56] <smarter> Riddell: CSS overriding is in Preferences --> advanced
[11:56] <smarter> turning off would probably be easy to implement, but I'm not that familiar with QtWebKit :)
[11:57] <smarter> Actually, Arora devs have already submitted patches for Qt and the main dev is an old Troll
[11:57] <smarter> (icefox)
[11:58] <Riddell> old?  not any more?
[11:58] <ryanakca> rgreening: https://launchpad.net/~mapopa/+archive/arora-stable
[11:58] <smarter> Riddell: yep
[11:59] <smarter> Riddell: http://benjamin-meyer.blogspot.com/2008/08/three-years-in-europe-with-trolltech.html
[11:59] <smarter> "After three years at Trolltech today was a sad day as it was my last day"
[12:00] <Riddell> must have missed that
[12:00] <ryanakca> .... Arora doesn't remember tabs when you close it it doesn't look like.
[12:00] <Tonio_> agateau: deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/mapopa/arora-stable/ubuntu jaunty main
[12:00] <ryanakca> Could that be considered a ``showstopper''?
[12:01] <smarter> ryanakca: it does
[12:01] <agateau> Tonio_: thanks
[12:01] <Tonio_> ryanakca: showstopper, I'd say no
[12:01] <smarter> ryanakca: history -> restore last session
[12:01] <Tonio_> but appreciated feature, yes
[12:01] <smarter> and possiblity to do it automatically by checking a box in the Preferences dialog
[12:01] <smarter> Not really obvious :]
[12:02] <smarter> agreed with the fullscreen thing
[12:02] <smarter> Firefox has a nice full-fullscreen extension
[12:04] <smarter> :]
[12:05] <smarter> I'm maintaining Arora French l10n too, so you can use it, it's good :P
[12:06] <smarter> QtWebKit 4.5, and even .1 has issues with some types of cookies
[12:08] <smarter> +1, rekonq seems like something done because the dev wanted some fame instead of making Arora better
[12:10] <Riddell> smarter: I can't see Arora becoming the default KDE browser, rekonq could be
[12:10] <smarter> I highly doubt that all the Konq/KHTML devs will suddenly deciding to switch to that
[12:10] <smarter> *decide
[12:11] <smarter> both seem unlikely
[12:11] <smarter> situation is kind of blocked in KDE :/
[12:14] <smarter> hmm, is that a train? O_o
[12:16] <smarter> and know I only hear very distant voices
[12:16] <smarter> what happened to the micro? :P
[12:16] <smarter> Riddell
[12:16] <Riddell> smarter: we've gone to lunch
[12:17] <smarter> oh, ok :]
[12:17] <Riddell> smarter: we have our notes in our gobby document, I'll tidy that up into a spec and I guess post it to the arora mailing list for comment
[12:20] <smarter> enjoy your lunch then
[12:20] <smarter> good idea
[12:20] <smarter> is the gobby accessible?
[12:20] <smarter> I mean, online :)
[12:23] <Riddell> yes
[12:23] <Riddell> gobby.ubuntu.com  6522
[12:23] <Riddell> kubuntu-karmic-webbrowser document
[12:26]  * seele connects to icecast
[12:28] <seele> ack.. a little late for that, nevermind
[13:36] <maco> ScottK, backporting arora 0.7 was reported to launchpad's jaunty-backports 17 hours ago
[13:36] <maco> ScottK, and the backport works. i just built it
[13:38] <maco> ScottK, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/jaunty-backports/+bug/381042
[14:20] <ryanakca> Gobby is up, kubuntu-karmic-social-from-the-start
[14:21] <vorian> wha?
[14:21] <ryanakca> vorian: gobby was down. It's back, I created a document for the current session, room 1
[14:21] <vorian> ah
[14:22] <Mamarok> you folks should ask them to test kobby...but I guess that means changing the protocol
[14:22] <ryanakca> *nod*
[14:24] <maco> and then hardy users get :(
[14:27] <Artemis_Fowl> ARGHH
[14:27]  * Artemis_Fowl HATES update-grub
[14:28] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: ping
[14:53] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: jcastro did a talk on bug upstreaming today and specifically mentioned Kubuntu about being good about upstreaming KDE bugs.
[14:53] <JontheEchidna> :o
[14:56]  * Nightrose hands out cookies to JontheEchidna and the rest of the bug movers(?) :D
[15:05] <yuriy> why is there an smtp server setting in about me
[15:07] <Riddell> yuriy: I have no idea
[15:07] <Riddell> that's very strange
[15:08] <JontheEchidna> Nightrose: btw, I think this might really be the day when I'm able to get 2.1 beta2 packages backported to amarok
[15:08] <JontheEchidna> er, backported to jaunty
[15:08] <Nightrose> \o/
[15:09] <Nightrose> final tagging tomorrow though :/
[15:09] <JontheEchidna> lol
[15:09] <Riddell> didn't I do that?
[15:09] <JontheEchidna> backports for jaunty? Not that I've seen
[15:09] <Riddell> I compiled it   http://people.ubuntu.com/~jriddell/tmp/amarok/
[15:09] <Riddell> didn't get it in an archive as such
[15:10] <Riddell> Nightrose: did the startup crash get worked out?
[15:10] <Nightrose> Riddell: i think it vanished here but better have someone else test it as well
[15:11] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: in a related topic, do you know the likelihood of mysql 5.1 entering main this cycle?
[15:14]  * JontheEchidna afk for a bit
[15:14] <jussi01> JontheEchidna: Id appreciate it if those packagesx hit jaunty soon ;) :D
[15:15]  * jussi01 gives JontheEchidna cookies
[15:19] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: a good question, I'll ask a server dude when I see one
[15:24] <vorian> :o
[15:25] <vorian> Riddell: what about 4.2.4?  just got dirk's email...
[15:28] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: ping
[15:29] <vorian> he said he was stepping away for a bit
[15:32] <Riddell> vorian: already?!
[15:32] <Riddell> round up the non UDS ninjas I'd say
[15:32] <vorian> Riddell: okie dokie
[15:32] <vorian> Shouldn't be too hard to take on
[15:35] <JontheEchidna> rgreening: pong
[15:37] <vorian> ok, new bat goodness set-up
[15:37] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: I asked and I think it's still undecided.
[15:37] <Riddell> hugs to vorian
[15:37] <vorian> :)
[15:39] <jussi01> JontheEchidna: are you planning to update koffice also, now that 2.0 is out?
[15:39] <JontheEchidna> Riddell made packages for 9.10 I know. I'm not sure if he backported them as well
[15:39] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: talk to ryanakca about how hard/difficult to write plasmoids... talking about adding some to ubiquity (POSSIBLY)
[15:39] <Riddell> yes koffice 2 is in backports
[15:40] <jussi01> ok :)
[15:40] <JontheEchidna> plasmoids are easy, you can even do them in python now
[15:42] <JontheEchidna> or is this about putting plasmoids inside ubiquity?
[15:43] <JontheEchidna> or making a plasma-themed ubiquity interface?
[15:43] <vorian> yus, that would be killer
[15:43] <JontheEchidna> A plasma-themed ubiquity would be teh awesomez. (Think krunner, it's not a plasmoid but uses plasma for theming
[15:43] <JontheEchidna> )
[15:44] <JontheEchidna> or, rather I should say it uses libplasma for theming
[15:45] <jussi01> very cool
[15:47] <rgreening> ryanakca: ^^^^^ usde plasa to theme the existing interface. no rewrite required... possibly...
[15:49] <Riddell> 15:43 < JontheEchidna> A plasma-themed ubiquity would be teh awesomez. (Think krunner, it's not a plasmoid but uses plasma for theming
[15:50] <shtylman> k...I will need to look into that
[15:50] <JontheEchidna> Taking a quick look, the krunner interface the user sees is a transparent kdialog with no window decoration or kdialog buttons, drawing the plasma widget background as its background
[15:51] <shtylman> JontheEchidna: that may be an interesting path to take
[15:51] <JontheEchidna>     setAttribute(Qt::WA_TranslucentBackground);
[15:51] <JontheEchidna>     setButtons(0);
[15:51] <shtylman> and I think it would increase the look by alot
[15:52] <JontheEchidna> yeah, me too
[15:53] <JontheEchidna> then it uses a QPainter to paint the background as the Plasma widget background
[15:53] <JontheEchidna> this should be quite feasible now that we have python plasma bindings
[15:53] <shtylman> :)
[16:10] <ryanakca> JontheEchidna: Lovely, thanks
[16:11] <JontheEchidna> theming the buttons and such may be nominally harder, but krunner should provide an example for that too
[16:13] <Riddell> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuKarmicSocialFromtheStart  for comment and review
[16:13]  * vorian looks
[16:15] <neversfelde> oh, choqok in main :)
[16:16] <sebas> what's going on at UDS now?
[16:16] <Riddell> I'm in language selector
[16:16] <sebas> Ah, I'm not :)
[16:17] <sebas> I need to prep tomorrow's demo anyway
[16:18]  * sebas sees if he can try the beamer already
[16:19] <Riddell> projector!
[16:23] <neversfelde> we have an identi.ca feed for kubuntu-de.org already. http://identi.ca/kubuntudeorg
[16:24] <neversfelde> if it is wanted I could create the same for kubuntu.org?
[16:24] <vorian> i thought ryanakca or someone already set up kubuntu.org
[16:25] <neversfelde> mhh, I cannot find it
[16:25] <vorian> it would be cool if we could get a kubuntu microblog aggregated like planet kde
[16:26] <Nightrose> neversfelde: i created kubuntu
[16:26] <Nightrose> why not use that?
[16:26] <ScottK> vorian: To the extent microblogging is actually a good thing, sure.
[16:26] <neversfelde> Nightrose: the group?
[16:26] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: since the openDesktop and microblogging plasmoid are in kdeplasma-addons they're already set to be part of the default install and we dont' have to do a thing :)
[16:26] <Nightrose> yes
[16:27] <JontheEchidna> oh, but add them to the default desktop
[16:27] <JontheEchidna> I see where you're going now
[16:27] <JontheEchidna> karmic is starting to look pretty sweet
[16:27] <vorian> ScottK: I rarely use it, but I do like following the KDE feed
[16:27] <neversfelde> well, than possibly your new desktop greets you with "I hate !kubuntu" :D
[16:28]  * ScottK is apparently too old and not getting it.
[16:28] <Nightrose> neversfelde: you can't do much about that with something you can't control ;-)
[16:28] <neversfelde> hehe
[16:28] <Nightrose> that's the whole point of things like twitter
[16:28] <Nightrose> you can't control them
[16:28] <Nightrose> they control themself
[16:28] <yuriy> first OO.o icon successfully replaced :D
[16:29] <Riddell> beer to yuriy!
[16:29] <ScottK> \o/
[16:29] <yuriy> well, somewhat successfully. the button is fat now
[16:29] <Nightrose> kubotu: order beer for yuriy
[16:29]  * kubotu gives yuriy a nice frosty mug of beer.
[16:29] <yuriy> OO.o doesn't have any standard size for icons
[16:30] <Nightrose> what ould be done is create a special kubuntu account on identi.ca and have someone feed that
[16:31] <Nightrose> it would have to be kept up to date though
[16:31] <Riddell> there is a kubuntu group on identi.ca
[16:31] <Nightrose> yes I created it ;-)
[16:31] <Nightrose> but as neversfelde said people could be greeted with "!kubuntu sucks" on their first run
[16:32] <vorian> Kubuntu members could aggregate to the kubuntu account, right?
[16:32] <vorian> that would keep it up to date
[16:32] <Nightrose> the group has been fairly ok lately though
[16:32] <Nightrose> vorian: what messages would be send?
[16:32] <Nightrose> not so much around jaunty release
[16:32] <vorian> no idea
[16:47] <Riddell> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuKarmicWebbrowser  for comment and review
[16:49] <vorian> epiphay, of course
[16:49] <maco> lynx
[16:49] <vorian> links2
[16:49] <maco> w/ fb?
[16:49] <vorian> I do like Arora
[16:50] <smarter> Klipper actions should not pop up when a URL is selected in Arora.
[16:50] <smarter> isn't that a Klipper setting?
[16:50] <smarter> it doesn't do that here at least
[16:50] <Riddell> smarter: couldnae say, people were complaining about it
[16:50] <Riddell> but it'll be a Klipper change somewhere
[16:51] <Nightrose> yes it is a setting in klipper
[16:51] <neversfelde> Arora is not able to import ssl root certs like that from cacert.org. That would be a major problem for me
[16:51] <Nightrose> for each action you can define a list of windo titles it shouldn't pop up for
[16:51] <Nightrose> that's why it doesn't pop up for konqueror and firefox for example
[16:51] <smarter> also, what is baidu.com? :}
[16:51] <Nightrose> chinese search engine iirc
[16:52] <neversfelde> It is poor security practice, if you only ignore the warnings
[16:53] <Riddell> yuriy: "Change the Help -> Report Bug menu item to use Apport."  can you use apport to report a bug?
[16:53] <yuriy> Riddell: yes that's half of what it does
[16:54] <yuriy> it is supposed to be the correct way to report bugs in Ubuntu
[16:54] <vorian> is there a newer version of Arora that can be backported?
[16:54] <yuriy> they are trying to deter people from using the report bug form on launchpad manually
[16:54] <Riddell> yuriy: how do I do that?
[16:54] <Nightrose> vorian: there are nightly builds in a ppa - way too much missing still
[16:54] <Nightrose> tried it yesterday
[16:54] <vorian> ah
[16:54] <yuriy> vorian: 0.7 is ~3 days old and we have a backport request
[16:55] <vorian> ah oh ew
[16:55] <smarter> "Kubuntu ships with social applets by default, integrating services such as microblogging and Facebook into the desktop."
[16:55] <smarter> I hope I'll never see anything remotely related to Facebook on Kubuntu :S
[16:55]  * vorian tests wrt jaunty
[16:55] <yuriy> Riddell: in a gnome app or a few others that were patched, go to help report a bug
[16:55] <maco> yuriy, i thought "ubuntu-bug" was supposed to be the correct way
[16:55] <yuriy> Riddell: there's also a command for it
[16:55] <yuriy> yeah that ^
[16:55] <Nightrose> smarter: kopete has a facebook plugin now \o/
[16:56] <smarter> this is madness :P
[16:56] <Riddell> yuriy: interesting?
[16:56] <Nightrose> at least the start of it
[16:56] <Nightrose> Riddell: if you need testing in jaunty for that I'm all in
[16:56] <Riddell> smarter: so it was you who broke Arora from logging into Facebook!
[16:56] <smarter> :P
[16:56] <Nightrose> haha
[16:56] <Riddell> Nightrose: for what?
[16:56] <yuriy> Riddell: sorry I thought it was clear what I was referring to during the kubuntu-qa meeting
[16:57] <Nightrose> Riddell: facebook plugin for kopete
[16:57] <Riddell> Nightrose: I'll let you know when I get packages
[16:58] <Nightrose> ok
[16:58] <Riddell> yuriy: "Prior to release, consider keeping Apport crash handling for select applications."  how will those be chosen?  where's the code to decide which to use?
[16:59] <yuriy> Riddell: actually, I forgot to ask pitti about that, whether it's possible or reasonable
[16:59] <Riddell> yuriy: remove the "BoF agenda and discussion" session, anything in there should be in the body of the spec now
[17:00] <Riddell> yuriy: ok, ask pitti and update the spec as appropriate, then set it to Pending Approval in launchpad
[17:00] <yuriy> Riddell: during the meeting we said it would be nice to keep the reporting after release, but Ubuntu doesn't do that, so we said maybe we can just do certain packages if that is possible and decide later what those packages will be
[17:01] <Riddell> yes I mind that
[17:01] <Riddell> good spec yuriy
[17:02] <Riddell> if anyone sees shtylman ask if he's going to write the https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kubuntu-karmic-ubiquity spec
[17:02] <yuriy> you mind that?
[17:02] <Riddell> "remember".  Scots usage :)
[17:03] <Riddell> I'm going for a swim then I'm out to Canonical Desktop team dinner later so don't wait for me
[17:04] <Mamarok> how does one set UXA for that intel 945 card?
[17:04] <Riddell> Section "Device" Identifier    "Configured Video Device" Option        "AccelMethod" "uxa"
[17:04] <Riddell> hmm
[17:04] <Riddell> EndSection
[17:04] <Riddell> http://paste.ubuntu.com/182963/
[17:04] <Riddell> in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[17:06] <JontheEchidna> smarter: fedora has a patch for no klipper actions with arora
[17:06] <JontheEchidna> lemme see if I can pull it up real quick
[17:06]  * smarter wonders if anyone really use this action thing
[17:07] <JontheEchidna> smarter: http://cvs.fedoraproject.org/viewcvs/devel/kdebase-workspace/kdebase-workspace-4.2.0-klipper-arora.patch?view=markup
[17:10] <smarter> JontheEchidna: strange, neithed had it pop-up while using Arora
[17:13] <JontheEchidna> I turn klipper actions off the first time I notice them on new installs :P
[17:24] <Mamarok> Riddell: got a second?
[17:25] <Mamarok> Riddell: I ordered the Team pack for Switzerland at ShipIt quite some time ago and still haven received anything, whom do I have to poke for that?
[17:25] <Mamarok> event sent a reminder, nothing...
[17:36] <Mamarok> isn't kopete installed by default from the CD?
[17:37] <neversfelde> Mamarok: kopete is installed by default
[17:37] <Mamarok> that's what I think too, but I have a user who inists there is no kopete...
[17:38] <smarter> http://www.youtube.com/html5 hell yeah
[17:46] <Nightrose> smarter: i use klipper actions for links and bugzilla
[17:46] <Nightrose> very handy to highlight a bug number and have it take oyu to bugzilla
[17:46] <Nightrose> *you
[18:15] <Quintasan> hmm, there is a way to install 4.3 Beta 1 Packages withtout messing my  current config? :3
[18:16] <Nightrose> does give you something newer than the beta though
[18:16] <Nightrose> Quintasan: neon
[18:16] <Nightrose> but it's config and all is sandboxed
[18:17] <Quintasan> oh well, I will just backup my files and config, not much I can screw up
[18:44] <Quintasan> grrr
[18:44] <Quintasan> lots of over writes
[18:45] <Mamarok> ok, I'm off for a walk, leaving #k :)
[18:55] <Quintasan> oh well
[18:55] <Quintasan> it works
[19:11] <Quintasan> hmm
[19:21] <Quintasan> I don't know why but the microblogging widget doesn't work
[19:21] <Quintasan> :/
[20:49] <quassel208> So kde4.3 beta is removed for jaunty?
[20:56] <Mamarok> quassel208: it never was part of it
[20:57] <Mamarok> quassel208: there are packages in the experimental PPAs
[20:57] <quassel208> yes it was, standed in the news report, but i tried it but didnt work, and also I see kubuntu removed the source from the news
[20:58] <Mamarok> quassel208: read the topic in #kubuntu please
[20:59] <quassel208> hmm. try that source, but messed lot up ( made the same once from trunk myself )
[21:00] <Mamarok> quassel208: hence why we state explicitely that it should only be used by experienced users, don't expect any support for it by now
[21:00] <quassel208> hmm, but still I know that kde4.2.3 isnt that unstable, it are just packing problems
[21:01] <Mamarok> quassel208: you are mixing things, KDE 4.2.3 is a bugfix release of KDE 4.2.2, its *not* 4.3
[21:01] <Mamarok> and those are different PPAs
[21:02] <quassel208> hmm indeed, I meant kde4.3 ( I try the repo, but its removed now from news )
[21:03] <Mamarok> quassel208: for good reasons, to avoid users to use them unless they are thorougly tested, and that needs time and manpower
[21:04] <quassel208> I have skills to test and fix, but most time I just go back to stable if doesnt work, its to much headache
[21:05] <quassel208> rather have the core gets better
[21:05] <quassel208> off ubuntu
[21:10] <JontheEchidna> hotness: http://www.notmart.org/images/mid_newspaper.png
[21:11] <smarter> yay
[21:11]  * smarter would dump awesome that he put on his eee for that
[21:12] <JontheEchidna> oh, meant to paste this: http://www.notmart.org/index.php/BlaBla/put_a_net_in_your_book
[21:12] <JontheEchidna> the pic's not so great without context ;-)
[21:12] <JontheEchidna> or maybe it is? :D
[21:17] <Mamarok> yeah, it is if you own a N810 to imagine it on it...
[21:27] <nixternal> is anyone working on the koffice 2.0 packages yet?
[21:28] <ScottK> nixternal: I think they're uploaded already.
[21:28] <nixternal> oh ok, was going to work on them if nobody has yet
[21:29] <ScottK> nixternal: koffice2 | 1:2.0.0-0ubuntu2 | karmic/universe | source
[21:29] <nixternal> oh great, installing now
[21:29] <nixternal> in jaunty ppa as well...good job!
[21:30] <ScottK> Thank Riddell, not me.
[21:30] <nixternal> Riddell: thanks :)
[21:30] <nixternal> ScottK: un-thanks
[21:30] <nixternal> ;p
[21:38] <JontheEchidna> could I get a Main sponsor for bug 381450?
[22:28] <nixternal> JontheEchidna: why are we merging from debian if we are using a new upstream snapshot?
[22:30] <JontheEchidna> nixternal: there are still packaging differences
[22:31] <nixternal> oh, "Debian patches up to the same version..." read that as "Debian packages up the same version"
[22:31] <_StefanS_> hey
[22:31] <JontheEchidna> perhaps I chose my words poorly, heh
[22:31] <_StefanS_> I was wondering, how stable is that kde in karmic at the moment ?
[22:31] <nixternal> no, you chose the right words, I just can't read :)
[22:32] <Riddell> Mamarok: I can poke our shipit person tomorrow if you remind me during working hours
[22:32] <_StefanS_> considering its a beta and all that, is it usable?
[22:33] <JontheEchidna> I upgraded from jaunty + kde 4.3 yesterday or they day before and am satisfied with its stability
[22:35] <_StefanS_> JontheEchidna: I'm thinking about making a jump, because there's just too much wrong with my system :D
[22:35] <nixternal> JontheEchidna: help me understand this, the reason for this is because we haven't merged with Debian yet on this package?
[22:35] <_StefanS_> JontheEchidna: not that jaunty is bad, my installation is kinda screwed ..
[22:35] <JontheEchidna> there is this slight problem where the scrollbars in kickoff being a slight red color instead of a slight blue color
[22:36] <JontheEchidna> nixternal: k3b 1.66 alpha2 fails without the svn snapshot, so I updated our packages to the svn snapshot and merged the packaging at the same time
[22:36] <JontheEchidna> *k3b fails to build
[22:36] <nixternal> rock on, is there any crack in this package at all?
[22:36] <_StefanS_> JontheEchidna: is karmic usable in general, what about powermanagement, does it work on laptops ?
[22:37] <JontheEchidna> nixternal: crack? Like the drug or just problems in general?
[22:37] <JontheEchidna> _StefanS_: I couldn't attest to its power management skills, since I don't own a laptop :(
[22:37] <nixternal> all the above :)
[22:38] <JontheEchidna> heh
[22:38] <nixternal> JontheEchidna: such as, the .diff.gz doesn't apply as it is a ppa one and doesn't match the version in changelog? :)
[22:38] <_StefanS_> JontheEchidna: alright, I'm gonna test it on a different disk I think
[22:39] <JontheEchidna> nixternal: oh, you mean crack like that :D
[22:39] <JontheEchidna> I squarely blame the gnome file dialog for being insane
[22:39] <JontheEchidna> :P
[22:40] <nixternal> lol
[22:40] <JontheEchidna> anyway, uploaded the correct diff.gz to the bug
[22:41] <nixternal> got it :)
[22:42] <jussi01> Hrm, can we somehow change this dialogue? http://jussi01.com/upload/uploads/20090529-004118-snapshot9.png  If I am a new person I have no idea what that means, perhaps some ubuntu specific instructions?
[22:43] <JontheEchidna> Tonio's going to do that when he gets back from vacation
[22:44] <JontheEchidna> jussi01: is the cursor now a perpetual busy cursor even after you close that dialog?
[22:45] <nixternal> why won't the patch apply cleanly?
[22:45] <jussi01> JontheEchidna: yes, and out of curiousity, why isnt the package for that included in kubuntu-restricted-extras?
[22:45] <jussi01> nixternal: you aint holdin your tongue right :P
[22:45] <nixternal> haha, must be it!
[22:46] <ScottK> Which package?
[22:46] <JontheEchidna> nixternal: for polkit-qt? Their patch updates polkit-qt to the same svn revision that we have
[22:46] <JontheEchidna> perhaps we should just do a sync?
[22:46] <JontheEchidna> jussi01: dunno, I seem to have libmad0 installed too
[22:48] <nixternal> JontheEchidna: or update it in debian so they are good and then sync....but right now I want to know why this darn patch will apply
[22:49] <JontheEchidna> nixternal: debian's packages are good, so I suppose we could sync
[22:49] <nixternal> that would be up to you sir
[22:50] <nixternal> with a sync, ol' Riddell just has to push a button then :p
[22:50] <JontheEchidna> true
[22:51]  * nixternal wonders why the Georgia Tech Debian mirror is so slow, this unstable install is taking forever
[22:51] <JontheEchidna> and a hompage field in debian/control pointing to ftp.kde.org isn't a big loss (that's the only other difference we had)
[22:52] <Riddell> it's a bit more than a button but aye
[22:52] <nixternal> 2 buttons :)
[22:52]  * JontheEchidna requestsync's
[22:52] <nixternal> 2 buttons and the enter key
[22:52] <jussi01> JontheEchidna: hrm, I have libmad0 also, but Im still getting that message....
[22:56] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: bug 381475
[22:57] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: too late!
[22:57] <Riddell> already done it
[22:57] <JontheEchidna> lol
[22:57] <Riddell> I read my scrollback :)
[22:57] <JontheEchidna> doh
[22:57] <JontheEchidna> I'll just close that then...
[22:58] <Riddell> no doh
[22:58] <Riddell> I uploaded your merge and closed the beastie
[22:59] <JontheEchidna> wah
[22:59] <JontheEchidna> you're just too fast ;-)
[22:59] <JontheEchidna> I now know why they call you the kubuntu robot
[22:59] <Riddell> it's because we're all sitting together here, I feel I have to keep up with all these elite Kubuntu devs
[23:05]  * JontheEchidna notes that somebody has something in a ppa for bug 331757
[23:07] <Riddell> hmm, wonder if he'd package the soprano backend too
[23:08] <JontheEchidna> I thought you packaged soprano?
[23:09] <JontheEchidna> oh, that's sesame
[23:09] <JontheEchidna> ~order brain
[23:09]  * kubotu shouts: OMG!!!!! RED ALERT! We lost a brain. Get me a medic, NOW!
[23:59] <lex79> JontheEchidna: I want add kubuntu-experimental in my .pbuilderrc-jaunty , how? :)
[23:59] <JontheEchidna> lex79: sudo pbuilder login --save-after-login
[23:59] <JontheEchidna> then edit /etc/apt/sources.list