[00:13] We should so use these for Karmic: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/Kubuntu+Oxygen+Splash+Screen?content=105737 [00:14] Maybe the doods at UDS could discuss that? [00:19] JontheEchidna: nice :) [00:24] Kubuntu had always a special theme with KDE3, I love oxygen, but I think a bit of branding is not so bad [00:24] was that discussed on UDS? [00:29] dunno [00:29] but I think we can maintain upstream identity through artwork while still giving ourselves a bit of branding [00:29] such as through that start icon and splash screen [00:30] +1 [00:31] I think we should also provide a custom wallpaper [00:32] probably a bluer one but similar to ubuntu gnome ;) [00:54] I say we go brown! [00:56] yeah, gnome is so blue in vanilla, so we should go brown/orange [00:58] probably Ubuntu can use our blue than :D [01:00] s/than/then [01:00] wb Tonio_ [02:24] Hello, I was wondering if it is planned to include PulseAudio in Kubuntu in the near future? [02:24] god I hope not [02:25] tsimpson: why? [02:25] because there is a never-ending stream of complaints about it [02:25] and I don't get why it's needed anyway [02:26] imo pulseaudio is little benefit for the average user and one more layer in the pile of "things that can and probably will go wrong) [02:27] But why has Ubuntu pulseaudio? And fedora, opensuse, mandriva? [02:29] probably because Gnome has get to develop a smarter way to deal with sound [02:33] The first time I used PA in a distro installed by default it was in Ubuntu Hardy, it was bad, and full of problems. Some days ago I installed PA in Kubuntu and it works with out problems, like without it, but with the benefit of the easy of configuring a 5.1 channel sytem, sending sound via the network to another machine. I think PA is _now_ grate. It works, with many features, like any modens OS. [02:35] tsimpson: Mandriva, opensuse (don't know about fedora or others) have PA instaled by default with KDE desktop. [02:36] coincidentially, they're the ones with the worst track record for working Amarok installs. [02:36] due to combinations of the phonon gstreamer backend and PA [02:37] or, I should say, amarok gets tons of bug reports caused by PA and phonon-gstreamer because Mandravia and openSUSE include it by default [02:38] to the point that they close bugs with PA and gstreamer stuff in the crash backtrace right out [02:38] JontheEchidna: but it is possible to use xine as engine, an xine doens't have problems with PA. [02:38] Which is not to say that either distro is bad, but PA by default does cost them [02:38] gstreamer's not the only problem, there are plenty of PA crashes too [02:39] Amarok 2 with phonon, and phonon wih xine and PA works with no problems. Why gstreamer? [02:40] PA's version of jaunty is ok for me with 2 pcs. [02:40] JontheEchidna: Why doesn't Ubuntu devs remove PA? [02:40] from default install.. [02:40] * JontheEchidna shrugs [02:41] Pulseaudio devs like Pulseaudio I suppose [02:43] JontheEchidna: Yea, but do they work with Ubuntu and not with Kubuntu? I mean why the Canonical devs of any devs from Ubuntu remove PA if that is so bad, or was, Iam sure it was rely bad. [02:44] Kubuntu doesn't have any devs that work with PulseAudio really, that's something you'd have to ask the Ubuntu guys [02:47] Hmm, sure they say it will work better or that is is right now not bad, bad if they use it, and many other distros, what are the advantages and disadvantages to use it. If more people use it, I supose it will get better. [02:49] I think it is (when it works) something that is going to fix the linux audio problem. DRI2 and that new things are going to fix graphics, but the audio is so problematic. I was trying to configure a 5.1 sound system. I hate that, it is so comlicated, rely, and the audio quality at resampleing (I tihng it's dmix problem). [02:52] Kubuntu needs something new to fix the audio problem, I thought PA can do this, but I don't know. Let's hope that the solution (any) will come soon. [03:01] yoooo [03:17] krazy is a tiny bit of a bitch to install [03:17] turns out I needed libxml-libxml-perl instead of libxml-perl [03:19] are you sure you don't need libxml-libxml-libxml-perl-perl? [03:19] I wouldn't be surprised :P [03:20] i think sabdfl did it [03:20] :o [03:25] * JontheEchidna runs krazy over quickaccess to see how bad it is [03:29] might take a bit, heh [04:11] working on a custom Kubuntu KDM setup, so I google KDM, look at image, and this is what I find: http://www.linuxonline.biz/images/kdm.png [04:12] wonder where they got that from [04:12] haha [04:13] guarantee I took that screenshot in vbox [04:13] 1023x768 [04:13] missing 1 pixel [04:13] pixel column [04:15] is that 7.10? [04:15] 8.04 [04:54] JontheEchidna and neversfelde: We've discussed the question of branding a little bit at UDS. One of the points that came up is that since we actually deviate less from upstream than other distros, we actually stand out. [04:54] We seem to have a reputation as the most 'pure' KDE distro out there and so we differentiate by doing less work. [04:55] nixternal: So it's not even 6am here, but I'm up due to guess who's snoring .... [05:00] haha [05:01] ScottK: I did that on one day last UDS as well [05:01] Yeah. I thought you'd like that. [05:01] I was up at 5am, went to bed at like 2:30 [05:01] walked over to starbucks and loaded up on red eyes [05:02] find tonio and have him get/make you a latte [05:02] he made me one at google that took the enamel off my teeth [05:10] Heh. [05:11] I crashed early last night because I was feeling "not very good", so it's not bad. Getting some work done. [06:39] http://www.nixternal.com/files/kdm.JPG - groovy kdm I just started :) [06:39] have to admit, takes getting used to when doing that crap [07:05] hiho [07:20] nixternal: looks good. Is that a camera screenshot? [07:21] hehe ya [07:21] to lazy to put it in vbox right now while I play around [07:21] I will go there once I have an alpha of it, then I will use vbox and various resolutions to tweak it [07:21] nixternal: you could pair it with a modification of the "Glassified" splash screen [07:21] (kde-look.org) [07:22] I am using air [07:22] glassified was to much, glass [07:22] iirc air doesn't have its own splash screen? [07:22] air has a better opacity, and is similar to the old school kubuntu kdm login, which is what I am working towards with this [07:22] I agree, and I'm using air too [07:22] nope, I am making one :) [07:23] * astromme needs to go to bed. ugh, 1:30 am already? [07:23] hehe, same here [07:23] going to say up for a couple of more hours and catch a couple of the UDS sessions [07:24] * astromme notes that Chicago is in the same timezone as Minneapolis. oh, yeah :P [07:24] hehe [07:24] nixternal: very cool. Well, I have to put in a dock at 8:00 so I need my sleep [07:25] * astromme wishes nixternal the best with his new kdm theme. :) [07:26] hehe, thanks...g'nite [08:50] sebas: Are you coming to the messaging session? [08:50] this I gotta listen to [08:51] nixternal: It's #7. [08:51] already in there [08:51] http://smouch.net/lol/ <- this is the way to do messaging notifications here [08:52] quassel's preview *almost* saved me [08:52] I heard you [08:52] no, go away! [08:53] you got rick rolled! [08:53] i have been listening into rooms trying to get people to click on that to see if I can hear um get rick rolled [09:00] nixternal, i think most of us have our speakers muted [09:02] where is the gobby doc for this? [09:02] dx-karmic-kde-integration [09:03] thank you sir [09:03] im switching to that session [09:04] bring a chair :P [09:06] chairs [09:10] that was because after scottk fetched me a chair, 2 more people showed up [09:10] hehe [09:11] they were rgreening and um....someone with curly hair [09:11] looks kinda like jacob peddicord, but i dont think that's him [09:11] maco: Roman? [09:11] maco: That's shtylman (or something close to that) who is our Installer hero for Jaunty [09:11] oh ok [09:12] he's the kde4 OOo person too then [09:12] That too [09:12] http://pim.kde.org/akonadi/ for the diagram [09:33] * ScottK points at me [09:36] (for the KDE user who uses Pidgin thing) [09:50] morning everyone [09:58] Good morning Mamarok [09:58] huhu ScottK [10:18] what's that package again which enables Ctrl+Alt+Backspace again? [10:18] in Jaunty? [10:26] Mamarok, zontzap [10:26] or you can edit xorg.conf manually [10:26] dontzap [10:26] or well...there's a gui way in kde [10:26] which is integrated with the display part of system settings [10:27] Riddell: yep, just seen that too [10:35] input please: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuKarmicApport [10:37] Tonio_: http://duncan.mac-vicar.com/blog/archives/545 [10:48] yuriy: looks good after a quick readthrough [10:49] ok. hmm apachelogger is gone. nixternal you were advocating dr konqi as well? [11:09] grr... where is the direct download of jaunty kubuntu DVD? [11:13] smarter: you listening to this? [11:13] hey [11:13] listening to what? [11:14] smarter: arora discussion [11:14] room 5 [11:14] * smarter is just back from school and has a 2 hour break to eat [11:14] Riddell: link? :) [11:15] smarter: http://icecast.ubuntu.com:8000/room5.ogg.m3u [11:15] hopefully my connection will stay stable while I listen to this :) [11:15] thanks [11:16] is that a video stream or only an audio stream? [11:16] audio only [11:16] only audio [11:16] okay [11:16] ah! correction: that OOo annoyance you all probably overheard: it's fixed in OOo 3 [11:16] i haven't touched OOo since Hardy :P [11:17] 1 down, 499 to go.... [11:17] Riddell: is there a list of the people who're talking somewhere? [11:17] this is schmidtm_ [11:17] no [11:17] this is ScottK [11:18] this is Tonio_ [11:18] heh, I knew there was a French accent there :P [11:18] smarter, the female is me [11:18] ah, figured out how to make OOo add new colors w/o overwriting old ones [11:22] smarter: KWallet? yay or nay? [11:22] Riddell: added it to my todo ;) [11:23] Riddell: will probably get to it once school is over(in a month) [11:24] :] [11:24] * Tonio_ kisses smarter on the left part of his ass ;) [11:24] heh :o [11:24] not in the middle you noticed ;) [11:24] :p [11:25] strem is cruddy... keeps cutting off :/ [11:25] works surprisingly great here [11:25] grr [11:25] jussi01: try VLC? [11:26] hrm... amarok sucks then... but lemme try [11:26] smarter: seriously, his would be awesome :) [11:26] and while Im at it, someone point me to the kubuntu jaunty dvd... [11:26] yeah amarok is not great for those icecast streams [11:26] * Tonio_ is sorry for that, last comment... just was extactic [11:26] jussi01: phonon already has trouble with local files, don't ask for too much :p [11:26] np ;) [11:27] kde searchproviders are in .desktop, Arora uses the OpenSearch standard, as Firefox et al [11:27] (since 0.7, yes) [11:27] ahh, better [11:27] yuriy: It's in a PPA [11:27] ryanakca: which? [11:27] a migration tool would require some work [11:28] thought we could just rewrite them by hand and put them in kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts [11:28] https://launchpad.net/~mapopa/+archive/arora-stable [11:29] smarter: where are those stored? [11:29] i can think of a few folks in one of my city's LUGs that would be annoyed at the removal of Konqueror [11:29] Riddell: Arora store them in ~/.local/share/data/Arora/searchengines [11:29] they were complaining recently about how Dolphin was an insufficient replacement [11:29] oh, flux just stopped [11:30] maco: I don't think it'll be removed, it just wont be default, provided that arora's upstream is willing to deliver [11:30] works again :) [11:30] Riddell: one problem may be that Arora, as Qt, doesn't have a system-wide config directory [11:30] or if there's one, it's well hidden :) [11:30] yuriy, totem works fine for icecast streams [11:30] must be my internet... stream cut off again :/ [11:31] (yes, i still install & use a bunch of gnome apps) [11:34] The "type myspace and end up on myspace.com" will be part of the next release of Arora(I'm working in it ;)) [11:35] yay!! [11:35] smarter: very good [11:35] I love that feature [11:35] is it not just the im feeling lucky from google though? [11:35] yep [11:35] :D [11:36] that's what every browser does actually :) [11:36] yuriy: htop doesn't show arora as using very many ressources here, 0.0CPU, and about 5.6MEM with a dozen tabs, compared to 15+CPU and 30+MEM when I leave firefox runnig for a while [11:36] keyword shortcuts (à la Konqueror) will b there too [11:36] can u use kubuntu.org mail now [11:36] * smarter stops the stream and go take his lunch [11:36] using internet streams with Totem...*shudder* [11:37] * smarter hopes mplayer -dumpaudio option does what he thinks it does and will record the meeting :) [11:38] krunner shortcuts work in arora [11:40] this nice http://moztw.org/demo/audioplayer/ [11:50] * smarter is back [11:50] smarter: Java? does it work? [11:50] damn, mplayer died [11:51] never tested pr [11:51] not even sure if I've it installed :P [11:52] * smarter installs sun-java6-plugin [11:55] smarter: CSS overriding and turning off? [11:56] Riddell: CSS overriding is in Preferences --> advanced [11:56] turning off would probably be easy to implement, but I'm not that familiar with QtWebKit :) [11:57] Actually, Arora devs have already submitted patches for Qt and the main dev is an old Troll [11:57] (icefox) [11:58] old? not any more? [11:58] rgreening: https://launchpad.net/~mapopa/+archive/arora-stable [11:58] Riddell: yep [11:59] Riddell: http://benjamin-meyer.blogspot.com/2008/08/three-years-in-europe-with-trolltech.html [11:59] "After three years at Trolltech today was a sad day as it was my last day" [12:00] must have missed that [12:00] .... Arora doesn't remember tabs when you close it it doesn't look like. [12:00] agateau: deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/mapopa/arora-stable/ubuntu jaunty main [12:00] Could that be considered a ``showstopper''? [12:01] ryanakca: it does [12:01] Tonio_: thanks [12:01] ryanakca: showstopper, I'd say no [12:01] ryanakca: history -> restore last session [12:01] but appreciated feature, yes [12:01] and possiblity to do it automatically by checking a box in the Preferences dialog [12:01] Not really obvious :] [12:02] agreed with the fullscreen thing [12:02] Firefox has a nice full-fullscreen extension [12:04] :] [12:05] I'm maintaining Arora French l10n too, so you can use it, it's good :P [12:06] QtWebKit 4.5, and even .1 has issues with some types of cookies [12:08] +1, rekonq seems like something done because the dev wanted some fame instead of making Arora better [12:10] smarter: I can't see Arora becoming the default KDE browser, rekonq could be [12:10] I highly doubt that all the Konq/KHTML devs will suddenly deciding to switch to that [12:10] *decide [12:11] both seem unlikely [12:11] situation is kind of blocked in KDE :/ [12:14] hmm, is that a train? O_o [12:16] and know I only hear very distant voices [12:16] what happened to the micro? :P [12:16] Riddell [12:16] smarter: we've gone to lunch [12:17] oh, ok :] [12:17] smarter: we have our notes in our gobby document, I'll tidy that up into a spec and I guess post it to the arora mailing list for comment [12:20] enjoy your lunch then [12:20] good idea [12:20] is the gobby accessible? [12:20] I mean, online :) [12:23] yes [12:23] gobby.ubuntu.com 6522 [12:23] kubuntu-karmic-webbrowser document [12:26] * seele connects to icecast [12:28] ack.. a little late for that, nevermind === Riddell changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: UDS: summit.ubuntu.com icecast.ubuntu.com | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuKarmicSpecs | Sync/Merges: http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/multidistrotools/kubuntu-desktop.html | Be careful whilst packaging | Transitions: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/rgreening/KarmicPhononPackages and https://wiki.kubuntu.org/ScottKitterman/Libplasma-Dev [13:36] ScottK, backporting arora 0.7 was reported to launchpad's jaunty-backports 17 hours ago [13:36] ScottK, and the backport works. i just built it [13:38] ScottK, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/jaunty-backports/+bug/381042 [13:38] Ubuntu bug 381042 in jaunty-backports "Please backport arora-0.7.0 (universe) from karmic to jaunty" [Undecided,New] [14:20] Gobby is up, kubuntu-karmic-social-from-the-start [14:21] wha? [14:21] vorian: gobby was down. It's back, I created a document for the current session, room 1 [14:21] ah [14:22] you folks should ask them to test kobby...but I guess that means changing the protocol [14:22] *nod* [14:24] and then hardy users get :( [14:27] ARGHH [14:27] * Artemis_Fowl HATES update-grub [14:28] seele: ping [14:53] JontheEchidna: jcastro did a talk on bug upstreaming today and specifically mentioned Kubuntu about being good about upstreaming KDE bugs. [14:53] :o [14:56] * Nightrose hands out cookies to JontheEchidna and the rest of the bug movers(?) :D [15:05] why is there an smtp server setting in about me [15:07] yuriy: I have no idea [15:07] that's very strange [15:08] Nightrose: btw, I think this might really be the day when I'm able to get 2.1 beta2 packages backported to amarok [15:08] er, backported to jaunty [15:08] \o/ [15:09] final tagging tomorrow though :/ [15:09] lol [15:09] didn't I do that? [15:09] backports for jaunty? Not that I've seen [15:09] I compiled it http://people.ubuntu.com/~jriddell/tmp/amarok/ [15:09] didn't get it in an archive as such [15:10] Nightrose: did the startup crash get worked out? [15:10] Riddell: i think it vanished here but better have someone else test it as well [15:11] Riddell: in a related topic, do you know the likelihood of mysql 5.1 entering main this cycle? [15:14] * JontheEchidna afk for a bit [15:14] JontheEchidna: Id appreciate it if those packagesx hit jaunty soon ;) :D [15:15] * jussi01 gives JontheEchidna cookies [15:19] JontheEchidna: a good question, I'll ask a server dude when I see one [15:24] :o [15:25] Riddell: what about 4.2.4? just got dirk's email... [15:28] JontheEchidna: ping [15:29] he said he was stepping away for a bit [15:32] vorian: already?! [15:32] round up the non UDS ninjas I'd say [15:32] Riddell: okie dokie [15:32] Shouldn't be too hard to take on [15:35] rgreening: pong [15:37] ok, new bat goodness set-up [15:37] JontheEchidna: I asked and I think it's still undecided. [15:37] hugs to vorian [15:37] :) === maco_ is now known as maco [15:39] JontheEchidna: are you planning to update koffice also, now that 2.0 is out? [15:39] Riddell made packages for 9.10 I know. I'm not sure if he backported them as well [15:39] JontheEchidna: talk to ryanakca about how hard/difficult to write plasmoids... talking about adding some to ubiquity (POSSIBLY) [15:39] yes koffice 2 is in backports [15:40] ok :) [15:40] plasmoids are easy, you can even do them in python now [15:42] or is this about putting plasmoids inside ubiquity? [15:43] or making a plasma-themed ubiquity interface? [15:43] yus, that would be killer [15:43] A plasma-themed ubiquity would be teh awesomez. (Think krunner, it's not a plasmoid but uses plasma for theming [15:43] ) [15:44] or, rather I should say it uses libplasma for theming [15:45] very cool [15:47] ryanakca: ^^^^^ usde plasa to theme the existing interface. no rewrite required... possibly... [15:49] 15:43 < JontheEchidna> A plasma-themed ubiquity would be teh awesomez. (Think krunner, it's not a plasmoid but uses plasma for theming [15:50] k...I will need to look into that [15:50] Taking a quick look, the krunner interface the user sees is a transparent kdialog with no window decoration or kdialog buttons, drawing the plasma widget background as its background [15:51] JontheEchidna: that may be an interesting path to take [15:51] setAttribute(Qt::WA_TranslucentBackground); [15:51] setButtons(0); [15:51] and I think it would increase the look by alot [15:52] yeah, me too [15:53] then it uses a QPainter to paint the background as the Plasma widget background [15:53] this should be quite feasible now that we have python plasma bindings [15:53] :) [16:10] JontheEchidna: Lovely, thanks [16:11] theming the buttons and such may be nominally harder, but krunner should provide an example for that too [16:13] https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuKarmicSocialFromtheStart for comment and review [16:13] * vorian looks [16:15] oh, choqok in main :) [16:16] what's going on at UDS now? [16:16] I'm in language selector [16:16] Ah, I'm not :) [16:17] I need to prep tomorrow's demo anyway [16:18] * sebas sees if he can try the beamer already [16:19] projector! [16:23] we have an identi.ca feed for kubuntu-de.org already. http://identi.ca/kubuntudeorg [16:24] if it is wanted I could create the same for kubuntu.org? [16:24] i thought ryanakca or someone already set up kubuntu.org [16:25] mhh, I cannot find it [16:25] it would be cool if we could get a kubuntu microblog aggregated like planet kde [16:26] neversfelde: i created kubuntu [16:26] why not use that? [16:26] vorian: To the extent microblogging is actually a good thing, sure. [16:26] Nightrose: the group? [16:26] Riddell: since the openDesktop and microblogging plasmoid are in kdeplasma-addons they're already set to be part of the default install and we dont' have to do a thing :) [16:26] yes [16:27] oh, but add them to the default desktop [16:27] I see where you're going now [16:27] karmic is starting to look pretty sweet [16:27] ScottK: I rarely use it, but I do like following the KDE feed [16:27] well, than possibly your new desktop greets you with "I hate !kubuntu" :D [16:28] * ScottK is apparently too old and not getting it. [16:28] neversfelde: you can't do much about that with something you can't control ;-) [16:28] hehe [16:28] that's the whole point of things like twitter [16:28] you can't control them [16:28] they control themself [16:28] first OO.o icon successfully replaced :D [16:29] beer to yuriy! [16:29] \o/ [16:29] well, somewhat successfully. the button is fat now [16:29] kubotu: order beer for yuriy [16:29] * kubotu gives yuriy a nice frosty mug of beer. [16:29] OO.o doesn't have any standard size for icons [16:30] what ould be done is create a special kubuntu account on identi.ca and have someone feed that [16:31] it would have to be kept up to date though [16:31] there is a kubuntu group on identi.ca [16:31] yes I created it ;-) [16:31] but as neversfelde said people could be greeted with "!kubuntu sucks" on their first run [16:32] Kubuntu members could aggregate to the kubuntu account, right? [16:32] that would keep it up to date [16:32] the group has been fairly ok lately though [16:32] vorian: what messages would be send? [16:32] not so much around jaunty release [16:32] no idea [16:47] https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuKarmicWebbrowser for comment and review [16:49] epiphay, of course [16:49] lynx [16:49] links2 [16:49] w/ fb? [16:49] I do like Arora [16:50] Klipper actions should not pop up when a URL is selected in Arora. [16:50] isn't that a Klipper setting? [16:50] it doesn't do that here at least [16:50] smarter: couldnae say, people were complaining about it [16:50] but it'll be a Klipper change somewhere [16:51] yes it is a setting in klipper [16:51] Arora is not able to import ssl root certs like that from cacert.org. That would be a major problem for me [16:51] for each action you can define a list of windo titles it shouldn't pop up for [16:51] that's why it doesn't pop up for konqueror and firefox for example [16:51] also, what is baidu.com? :} [16:51] chinese search engine iirc [16:52] It is poor security practice, if you only ignore the warnings [16:53] yuriy: "Change the Help -> Report Bug menu item to use Apport." can you use apport to report a bug? [16:53] Riddell: yes that's half of what it does [16:54]