[00:10] <rockstar> No
[00:11] <rockstar> Er, looks like he left
[00:12] <wgrant> he did, yes.
[00:12] <wgrant> They have a habit of doing that a couple of minutes before I attempt to answer.
[00:27] <rockstar> wgrant, yeah, kinda makes you wonder if they really wanted an answer.  :)
[01:03] <ibuclaw> hi, I'd like to report some spam on launchpad I got through the mail just now.
[01:03] <ibuclaw> link is here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde4libs/+bug/141418/comments/68
[03:11] <vadi2> What can cause a "./configure: Permission denied" error while building a package? The configure script is just owned by the user when the package was uploaded...
[03:16] <wgrant> vadi2: Is it executable?
[03:16] <vadi2> no :/
[03:17] <vadi2> going to try with that on
[03:23] <vadi2> heh. the animated build icons are nice.
[08:12] <jml> Ursinha: what now?
[08:33] <bfiller> any LOSA's online who can help me increase the size of a PPA?
[08:50] <maxb> bfiller: It's the middle of UDS week... people are likely to be in short supply - you'd be better off filing a question
[08:51] <maxb> https://answers.launchpad.net/soyuz/+addquestion
[08:54] <kirkland> can someone approve the request for a 'byobu' mailing list?
[08:55] <Ursinha> herb, are you around?
[08:55] <Ursinha> we need some loggerhead poking..
[08:55] <mwhudson> kirkland: if ff un-greys, yes
[08:55] <mwhudson> Ursinha: i can do that
[08:55] <Ursinha> mwhudson, thanks :)
[08:55] <bigjools> kikland: done
[08:55] <kirkland> mwhudson: heh, thx
[08:56] <mwhudson> kirkland: done
[08:56] <bigjools> *kirkland* that is
[08:56] <kirkland> mwhudson: rock on!
[08:56] <Ursinha> bigjools, you should try tab key
[08:56] <kirkland> bigjools: cheers, man
[08:56] <bigjools> Ursinha: shut up flu-woman!
[08:56] <Ursinha> lol
[08:56]  * bigjools thinks about moving to a different couch
[08:57] <Ursinha> bigjools, you're done already
[08:57] <wgrant> How completely has the flu taken over UDS so far?
[08:57] <Ursinha> wgrant, almost took all over
[08:57] <mwhudson> oh
[08:57] <bigjools> do hangovers count?
[08:57] <jblount_> wgrant: Looking around the room, it's taken over almost everyone :)
[08:57] <mwhudson> i think bigjools beat me to it
[08:57]  * mwhudson goes to attack codebounce
[08:57] <bigjools> mwhudson: yes I did :0
[08:57] <mwhudson> it doesn't seem to be particularly devastating, it's not keeping people away from the event
[08:58] <wgrant> Only a few people got it really badly last time.
[08:58] <mwhudson> but lots of people are snuffling
[08:58] <Ursinha> well, no one dies, so that's good
[08:58] <wgrant> mwhudson: Thanks - I ran into its 502ness a couple of hours ago.
[08:58] <wgrant> A good start, yes.
[08:58] <mwhudson> wgrant: hours?
[08:58] <Ursinha> *died
[08:58] <wgrant> mwhudson: Yes.
[08:58] <mwhudson> sigh
[08:59] <jblount_> Zombie hackers
[08:59] <Ursinha> hahahaha
[08:59] <mwhudson> yay deadlocks
[09:00] <wgrant> mwhudson: It was definitely broken exactly two hours ago, but I'm not sure how long before.
[09:00] <mwhudson> it's bounced
[09:00] <wgrant> Great.
[09:00] <wgrant> I hadn't seen it die for quite a while.
[09:00] <mwhudson> yeah
[09:00] <mwhudson> it's a different way of dying
[09:01] <mwhudson> it used to slowly consume all memory in the box and then swap to death
[09:01] <wgrant> Yep.
[09:01] <wgrant> What now?
[09:01] <mwhudson> now it deadlocks
[09:01] <mwhudson> in logging, of all places
[09:01] <wgrant> Haha.
[09:01] <wgrant> Nice, nice...
[09:02] <wgrant> How much of ~launchpad is at UDS?
[09:02] <mwhudson> not sure
[09:02] <mwhudson> half?
[09:03] <wgrant> Ah.
[10:45] <poolie> bigjools: you asked me something last night about a ppa bug?
[10:45] <poolie> hello wgrant
[10:47] <wgrant> Hi poolie.
[10:52] <bigjools> poolie: your bug about the duplicate PPAs on the +ppas page didn't make it clear which part of the page, but I guess it's the top 5 listing?
[10:55] <poolie> bug 380981?
[10:55] <poolie> oh huh
[10:55] <poolie> what i actually meant was https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas?name_filter=
[10:58] <bigjools> poolie: ah right, yes I'll fix that, thanks for filing the bug
[11:03] <poolie> it's not a big deal
[11:04] <poolie> i think seeing all the recent uploads might be more exciting as a way to show how much it's being used
[11:04] <poolie> which was the other bug
[11:04] <poolie> showing recent 5 shows some stuff is happening
[11:07] <bigjools> yeah that would be quite nice too
[11:08] <poolie> having thousands of users and packages is really pretty impressive but it's not very obvious to someone visiting launchpad.net that this is true
[11:11] <wgrant> Soyuz has no site root to show things off.
[11:11] <bigjools> that might change :)
[11:11] <wgrant> The only place it can show off is under that obscure PPAs tab on the distro page.
[11:11] <wgrant> Might it?
[11:12] <poolie> so under the search box on the launchpad.net home page, there are counts of some objects
[11:12] <poolie> it would be nice to have "12345 packages" and link that to this list
[11:12] <bigjools> we were thinking of having a packages tab. nothing definite though
[11:12] <poolie> +1
[11:12] <poolie> you can be puce :)
[11:12] <wgrant> bigjools: I thought you could do that, but then what do you do for packages?
[11:12] <bigjools> it was beuno's idea in fact
[11:13] <wgrant> Actually, I guess it's no different than what you have to do on branches.
[11:13] <wgrant> You do need to solve the project<->packages link finding problem fairly urgently, and that sounds like a good way to do it.
[11:14] <beuno> well
[11:14] <beuno> the reason OI've backed off of a pacakges tab
[11:14]  * bigjools hides
[11:14] <beuno> is that you have bugs for packages
[11:14] <beuno> so you would be on 2 tabs at the same time
[11:14] <beuno> not sure what to do there
[11:14] <beuno> I welcome ideas  :)
[11:14] <wgrant> beuno: Right, that was my concern I mentioned badly above.
[11:15] <wgrant> Although most packages don't have bugs (only distribution ones)
[11:15] <poolie> beuno, well, we're still a bit schizo abotu whether the tabs take you to different aspects of the sameobject, or different apps, or up a level etc
[11:16] <poolie> though generally clearer now
[11:16] <poolie> also it's weird to use the word "apps" when the point is to be tightly integrated
[11:16] <poolie> a bit like the 80s/90s office suitething
[11:16] <wgrant> They're not "apps" any more, are they?
[11:16] <wgrant> They were facets for a while.
[11:16] <wgrant> Then I think that got replaced with apps.
[11:16] <wgrant> And now they're nothing.
[11:17] <poolie> the other big thing is that i really think there should be something for downloads
[11:17] <poolie> i strongly suspect people click Code looking for them
[11:17] <wgrant> Right.
[11:17] <poolie> we could test this i guess
[11:17] <beuno> poolie, I have a plan for that
[11:17] <wgrant> Which is why Code might be going back to Branches.
[11:17] <poolie> s/test/usertest
[11:17] <beuno> sent to the list, buigs filed, etc
[11:18] <poolie> to rename it?
[11:18] <wgrant> How do I go to downloads now? I've never clicked there.
[11:18] <poolie> or regarding downloads?
[11:18] <beuno> yes
[11:18] <beuno> to Branches
[11:18] <beuno> I think
[11:18] <wgrant> Do I have to hunt in the series listing for a release?
[11:18] <beuno> and downloads
[11:18] <beuno> well
[11:18] <poolie> wgrant: let's test it!
[11:18] <poolie> try!
[11:18] <beuno> you saw the mock up
[11:18]  * wgrant will be glad when discussion moves to a public mailing list.
[11:18] <poolie> i did, and it was nice
[11:19] <wgrant> So, as I have a bit of knowledge of how Launchpad downloads work, I can make an educated guess as to where to find them.
[11:19] <beuno> wgrant, I will expose them very prominently on the project page
[11:19] <beuno> VERY
[11:20] <wgrant> The section in which I have to find them isn't even labeled 'Releases'
[11:20] <poolie> wgrant: did you actually find them?
[11:20] <wgrant> poolie: I did, although the download links are broken due to that bug.
[11:21] <wgrant> beuno: I'm going to have to be able to set the current release somehow. I don't think that's possible now.
[11:21] <wgrant> Because if you just show them in date order, there will be pre-releases of the development series shown first.
[11:21] <beuno> wgrant, the latest one?
[11:21] <wgrant> Which is very much not right.
[11:22] <beuno> why not?
[11:22] <wgrant> Even excluding development/experimental series won't work, as I'll have RCs of point releases.
[11:22] <wgrant> I don't want my users to see an alpha of my development series as the most prominent release link!
[11:23] <poolie> yes i have a bug about grouping by release
[11:24] <beuno> true
[11:24] <poolie> but you're right that just ordering by date may not be enough
[11:24] <beuno> we can add a flag
[11:24] <wgrant> That might work.
[11:24] <wgrant> But I don't think so.
[11:24] <poolie> possibly you want to classify releases somehow
[11:25] <wgrant> I'm going to want to do a security release on top of 1.0 (1.1), after I release 2.0.
[11:25] <wgrant> Or distros will get angry at me.
[11:25] <wgrant> But end users want 2.0, not 1.1.
[11:25] <poolie> yeah
[11:25] <poolie> but should 2.0alpha1 come ahead of 1.1? arguable
[11:26] <wgrant> This is complicated.
[11:27] <wgrant> You need ordering of series, hiding of some releases based on almost arbitrary criteria...
[11:27] <wgrant> And even then I'm sure there will be cases that don't fit.
[11:30] <wgrant> OK, I really can't work this out. I know there are working download links on /project/+download, but I cannot find a link to it anywhere.
[11:31] <wgrant> (this wouldn't be so important if bug #378740 was fixed... it seems it should be Critical)
[11:38]  * jpds pushes bigjools towards bug #285003
[12:51] <A4Tech> Hi, is there is a channel dedicated to the topic of how to compile packages?
[13:25] <pkern> Why aren't the binaries on https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+source/linux/2.6.30-7.8 not published yet?
[13:27] <pkern> Oh, stuck in NEW, nevermind.
[14:29] <LarstiQ> hmmm
[14:30] <LarstiQ> packages I built for a beta ppa have been copied to the release PPA, too early. Can I see why that happened? (or, who did that?)
[14:34] <noodles775> LarstiQ: Unfortunately when you look at the page for your release PPA and open one of the packages there, you'll see where it was copied from...
[14:34] <noodles775> but you already know that :/
[14:35] <LarstiQ> yeah, to the one where I uploaded it to :)
[14:35] <noodles775> When it was published is the only other bit of info that might help...
[14:35] <noodles775> bigjools: ^^^
[14:35] <LarstiQ> right, 13 hours ago.
[14:35] <LarstiQ> I can make a guess. I'll just delete the package for now
[14:44] <bigjools> we don't store who copied it, we should probably do that
[14:45] <LarstiQ> it's not a substitute for communication of course, but it makes it easier to know who to talk to :)
[14:49] <pkern> bigjools: No logs?
[14:51] <bigjools> pkern: unfortunately not, I think we only log the user if something OOPSes (ironically)
[15:22] <mrevell> andrea-bs: thanks for the typo fix!
[15:22] <andrea-bs> mrevell, thank you for the screencast :)
[15:22] <mrevell> :)
[16:19] <poolie> jml, mwh, is it just me or is code.edge.launchpad.net again dropping ssh connections rather than rejecting them?
[16:19] <poolie> or maybe not me, but the network here
[18:47] <pmatulis> how come i'm not allowed on code.launchpad.net ?
[19:10] <vadi2> I'm having difficulty finding how to add a new download for my project
[19:11] <vadi2> where is one supposed to add it?
[19:14] <joey> pmatulis, you should be able to access it?
[19:15] <joey> vadi2, https://help.launchpad.net/Projects/FileDownloads
[19:15] <vadi2> or even better, how can I make a release. this has gotten to be awfully confusing.
[19:15] <pmatulis> joey: not sure if that's a question or a statement
[19:15] <vadi2> mhm
[19:15] <joey> pmatulis, yes it should work. What sort of reaction are you getting?
[19:15] <vadi2> I got a series, and a milestone
[19:15] <pmatulis> joey: it says "Not allowed here"
[19:16] <pmatulis> joey: https://code.launchpad.net/
[19:16] <joey> pmatulis, hmm works for me....
[19:16] <joey> that's odd
[19:16] <joey> let me log out and try it
[19:17] <vadi2> alright, got it.
[19:17] <joey> pmatulis, works both ways. Try clearing your cache.
[19:18] <pmatulis> joey: still doesn't work after clearing my FF cache
[19:19] <joey> pmatulis, hmm. Bad cookie is the only other thing I can think of
[19:19] <joey> pmatulis, do you get any sort of OOPS id?
[19:20] <pmatulis> joey: no
[19:21] <joey> pmatulis, can you pastebin the contents of the error or send me a screenshot? joey@canonical.com
[19:21] <pmatulis> joey: yes
[19:23] <pmatulis> joey: got a little fire that needs stomping, i need to contact someone at uds, is there an irc channel?
[19:23] <joey> pmatulis, dunno. I'm not at UDS....which is why I'm actually on #launchpad ;-)
[19:24] <pmatulis> joey: ok
[19:24] <joey> pmatulis, it depends on who you need to contact I guess :-)
[19:24] <joey> pmatulis, you can always resort to mobile numbers on the directory.
[19:24] <pmatulis> joey: yeah
[19:26] <dblunt_> is the launchpad platform offered standalone (either software or SaaS) if i wanted to use it to host a distinct set of projects and users?
[19:28] <joey> dblunt_, please email that question to feedback@launchpad.net
[19:29] <dblunt_> already done - yesterday - i'm just impatient for a response.  if that's the only way i can get an answer then i will wait.
[19:29] <joey> dblunt_, the short answer is. No.
[19:29] <dblunt_> thanks much.
[19:29] <joey> dblunt_, there's a longer answer :-)
[19:29] <dblunt_> okay, will wait for the internal communication.
[19:30] <pmatulis> joey: email sent
[19:30] <joey> thank pmatulis.  herb is looking at the health of the servers now...  I've had other reports of time-outs.  I don't think they are related but that's why we have herb. :-)
[19:30] <pmatulis> joey: ok
[19:31] <joey> wow pmatulis, you weren't kidding were you
[19:31] <pmatulis> joey: no, but what were you expecting?
[19:32] <joey> pmatulis, something a little easier :-)  I'll get back to you on this.
[19:32] <pmatulis> joey: heh, ok
[19:36] <joey> pmatulis, do you know which project you want to go to? I can get you a direct link to the code and see if that works for you
[19:37] <pmatulis> joey: this came about b/c of matthew's utube video on sparklines, just wanted to check that out, so any project should do
[19:38] <joey> pmatulis, are you able to get to https://code.edge.launchpad.net/bzr-gtk  ?
[19:38] <pmatulis> joey: yes
[19:39] <joey> pmatulis,  great. Can you get to https://code.edge.launchpad.net  ?
[19:40] <pmatulis> joey: maybe cookie problem?  i see i have one called 'lp' and one called 'edge'
[19:40] <joey> rockstar, conversation above :-)
[19:40] <pmatulis> joey: no, that failed like before
[19:40] <joey> ok. rockstar let me know that there was a privacy issue with the cloud at one point.
[19:41] <joey> seems like you can access everything but the front page
[19:41] <pmatulis> oh well
[19:41] <joey> I'm hoping that rockstar will tell me it's either fixed and not committed or we need to open a new bug
[19:42] <rockstar> joey, well, I'd say open a new bug.  If it's not committed yet, then we at least get to close a bug easily.
[19:42] <rockstar> joey, closing fixed bugs is easier than fixing non-existent bugs.
[19:43] <joey> ok.  pmatulis do you have time to file that and attach your screenshot?
[20:32] <vadi2> Hi. My download here is giving a 404 for some reason: https://launchpad.net/giftwrap/0.1x/0.10
[21:00] <joey> hey bac, how long does it take for a file upload to be stored in the librarian and available for download? I thought it was immediate? vadi2 seems to have an issue with https://edge.launchpad.net/giftwrap/0.1x/0.10
[21:06] <gianmt_> guys does launchpad offer tarballs hosting now?
[21:07] <joey> gianmt_, in the sense that you can push up a tarball as a file download, yes.
[21:07] <joey> gianmt_, https://help.launchpad.net/Projects/FileDownloads
[21:07] <vadi2> been so for a while, but it's broke on me atm
[21:07] <vadi2> (also hard to figure out! make a series, release, and then inside it add a download :()
[21:08] <joey> sinzui, improvement ideas. :-)  ^^
[21:08] <A4Tech> Friends, I am unable to compile the package, where can I contact for help?
[21:08] <vadi2> On a PPA?
[21:08] <A4Tech> yes
[21:09] <gianmt_> joey, thanks
[21:09] <vadi2> you can ask here then
[21:09] <sinzui> vadi2: joey: these are open bugs we hope to fix this release and in the next three releases.
[21:09] <vadi2> good stuff.
[21:10] <joey> A4Tech, Have you seen the help pages? https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging
[21:10] <gianmt_> joey, as for improvement ideas, mass bug editing (change status) would be a good idea
[21:10] <joey> nifty, thanks sinzui.  I suspected you had something (well, several somethings) up your sleeve. :-)
[21:10] <joey> gianmt_, oh that's coming :-)
[21:11] <sinzui> vadi2: joey: Most of these issues are tackled in the 3.0 UI. We will be landing some enhancements before then.
[21:11] <A4Tech> I have on the local machine-compiled packages, I have a file change. I try to do dput-f gtea gtea_0.3-0ubuntu1_source.changes but it is a letter
[21:11] <vadi2> sinzui: okay
[21:12] <A4Tech> _SetupBidi('source'); ppa gtea that is not created, but how so? I have created it, and in my profile, it is
[21:13] <A4Tech> _SetupBidi('source'); -- oops
[21:15] <A4Tech> vadi2: Do you have any ideas my problem?
[21:16] <gianmt_> joey, cool, I hope with an option "do not send emails" :)
[21:22] <vadi2> It seems that uploading project icons is broken too. It doesn't set them.
[21:24] <A4Tech> vadi2: Do you have any ideas my problem?
[21:24] <vadi2> no, sorry
[21:24] <A4Tech> (
[22:46] <wgrant> joey: There's a bug (introduced in 2.2.5) that releases have broken file download links.
[22:46] <wgrant> joey: But the ones at /project/+download work.
[23:02] <sluukkonen> hi, is ppa.launchpad.net ftpd down? I'm getting [Errno 111] Connection refused with dput. (with nc or ftp too)
[23:02] <sluukkonen> oh lol, _now_ it started working
[23:03] <cprov> sluukkonen: it was, just fixed.
[23:03] <sluukkonen> yeh.
[23:03] <sluukkonen> thanks anyway
[23:14] <joey> wgrant, interesting thanks. Filed I guess then? I'll have someone look at it tomorrow then
[23:18] <wgrant> joey: It is. Bug #378740
[23:23] <joey> super thanks wgrant
[23:51] <satirik> anyone here could review my translation file on launchpad ?
[23:56] <satirik2> anyone can tell me when people are not idle in this channel ?