[01:26] <marti1125> hello hola
[01:28] <marti1125> e ubuntu does not have virus?
[01:28] <marti1125> why ubuntu  have virus? why?
[01:28] <bazhang> marti1125, support in #ubuntu
[15:54] <dholbach> hello
[15:55] <dholbach> geser, jpds, persia: around?
[15:55]  * asomething waves
[15:55] <jpds> Afternoon.
[15:55] <dholbach> hyperair, porthose, asomething, stefanlsd: around too?
[15:55] <dholbach> hi asomething :)
[15:55] <hyperair> i'm here =)
[15:55] <stefanlsd> dholbach: hi, i'm here
[15:56] <dholbach> rock and roll
[15:56]  * geser waves
[15:58]  * porthose waves
[15:59] <dholbach> persia should be around in a bit
[16:03]  * persia waves
[16:03] <dholbach> ah great
[16:03] <dholbach> #startmeeting
[16:03] <jpds> Right, awesomeness.
[16:03] <MootBot> Meeting started at 10:03. The chair is dholbach.
[16:03] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[16:03] <dholbach> [TOPIC] Chow Loong Jin's application
[16:03] <MootBot> New Topic:  Chow Loong Jin's application
[16:03] <hyperair> oho. it begins
[16:03] <dholbach> hyperair: how are you doing?
[16:03] <hyperair> fine thanks =)
[16:03] <dholbach> everything alright? :)
[16:03] <dholbach> perfect
[16:03]  * hyperair nods
[16:04] <dholbach> in your application you say that you'd like to do other (and probably bigger) things in the future - do you have any ideas already?
[16:04] <dholbach> any people you've worked with some more in the last time?
[16:04] <hyperair> people i've worked with..
[16:04] <hyperair> there's POX
[16:05] <hyperair> and Dktrtranz (is that how you spell his name? i've been tab completing all the while)
[16:05] <hyperair> as for ideas, no, i don't really do.
[16:05] <dholbach> hyperair: DktrKranz - you were close enough :-)
[16:05] <hyperair> whoops =p
[16:05] <dholbach> hyperair: you're mostly interested in mono-related packages?
[16:06] <jpds> hyperair: How are the mirror status on sg.r.u.c?
[16:06] <hyperair> dholbach: not particularly, it just happens that banshee caught my interest.
[16:06] <hyperair> dholbach: and its plugins, all of which are written in C#
[16:06] <hyperair> er extensions
[16:07] <dholbach> hyperair: I'm sure you make jcastro very happy because of that :)
[16:07] <hyperair> jpds: it's holding up on its own for the time being =) i'm in malaysia and not within ssh-able reach of the server.
[16:07] <hyperair> dholbach: i hope so =)
[16:08] <hyperair> in fact, regarding banshee, i recently started a banshee-daily repository, and wrote a script (which i will probably put somewhere online) which git pull's and generates a changelog entry, builds, signs and uploads to the ppa
[16:09] <dholbach> geser, persia: do you have any questions already?
[16:09] <jpds> hyperair: That would make Mark happy :)
[16:09] <persia> hyperair, You mention that you think you could collaborate better.  Could you share your plans to do so?
[16:09] <dholbach> nice, I'm sure others would appreciate it, do you think it'd make sense to have something like that in ubuntu-dev-tools?
[16:10] <hyperair> persia: team-maintain every package i maintain, instead of on my own, and discuss things with the team and possibly others
[16:11] <persia> hyperair, OK.  In that case, perhaps you could explain how you don't collaborate enough now :)
[16:12] <hyperair> persia: like i mentioned in my application, i don't really consider what i could possibly achieve by collaborating with others.
[16:13] <hyperair> and regarding what i've done since the time i wrote the application, i've recently created a pkg-geany team to help maintain geany and its plugins in debian
[16:13] <dholbach> hyperair: did you hear about https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/PatchTaggingGuidelines already?
[16:14] <hyperair> er no i didn't
[16:14] <dholbach> (I noticed that you hadn't made use of it in bug 248705)
[16:15] <dholbach> which is not a big deal, I just noticed :)
[16:15] <hyperair> ah yes, i didn't. i actually submitted the fix upstream
[16:15] <hyperair> =)
[16:15] <hyperair> i'll take note of this in the future
[16:15] <dholbach> jpds, persia, geser: any more questions - I'm all set
[16:16] <persia> hyperair, You mention you're using PPAs to handle stable backports of some applications.  Have you tried the ubuntu-backports process?
[16:16] <jpds> I'm happy with his application.\
[16:16] <hyperair> persia: not really. mostly because when i use the PPAs to handle these backports.. they're stuff that exceed what can enter the -backports
[16:17] <hyperair> like new upstream releases which are more than bugfix releases
[16:17] <hyperair> i did make use of the backports for banshee-extension-mirage though
[16:17] <hyperair> but even then i still maintain that in the PPA.
[16:17] <persia> -backports is precisely for that: to the degree that bugfixes aren't accepted in -backports.
[16:18] <hyperair> hmm i'll go read up more about the process then
[16:19] <dholbach> geser?
[16:19] <geser> no questions
[16:20] <dholbach> great, persia: all set too?
[16:20] <persia> I'm all set.
[16:20] <dholbach> [VOTE] Shall Chow Loong Jin become Contributing Developer?
[16:20] <MootBot> Please vote on:  Shall Chow Loong Jin become Contributing Developer?.
[16:20] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
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[16:20] <dholbach> +1
[16:20] <MootBot> +1 received from dholbach. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[16:20] <jpds> +1
[16:20] <MootBot> +1 received from jpds. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
[16:20] <geser> +1
[16:20] <MootBot> +1 received from geser. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3
[16:20] <hyperair> correction: banshee-extension-mirage was by laney, not me. my memory's a bit messed up by that
[16:20] <persia> +1
[16:20] <MootBot> +1 received from persia. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4
[16:20] <dholbach> #endvote
[16:20] <dholbach> @endvote
[16:20] <hyperair> =D
[16:20] <dholbach> [endvote]
[16:20] <MootBot> Final result is 4 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 4
[16:21] <dholbach> congratulations hyperair
[16:21] <jpds> Congrats hyperair.
[16:21] <stefanlsd> hyperair: congrats!
[16:21] <hyperair> thanks =)
[16:21] <Laney> \o
[16:21] <dholbach> [TOPIC] Charlie Smotherman's application
[16:21] <jmarki> whoopee hyperair!
[16:21] <MootBot> New Topic:  Charlie Smotherman's application
[16:21] <dholbach> hey porthose - how's life?
[16:21] <hyperair> thanks jmarki =)
[16:21] <davidc_> gong hei
[16:21] <porthose> dholbach: can't complain
[16:21] <dholbach> great :)
[16:22] <dholbach> porthose: so you're requesting upload privileges for ampache{,-themes} and coherence
[16:22] <dholbach> porthose: did you manage to establish a relationship to the debian coherence maintainers?
[16:22] <porthose> dholbach: yes that is correct
[16:23] <porthose> dholbach: yes I have, Arnaud has upload the new coherence-0.6.4 for me and should be auto synced this next go round
[16:23] <dholbach> that sounds good
[16:24] <dholbach> how is the bug situation of the 3 packages in debian/ubuntu?
[16:24] <geser> dholbach: porthose is in Uploaders for coherence
[16:24] <dholbach> geser: ah right, just spotted it in the application - thanks
[16:25] <porthose> dholbach: I would consider it in pretty good shape, there are some that will be closed with some new releases once they are sponsored into debian
[16:25] <dholbach> great... was it tough to stay on top of things happening in debian/upstream/ubuntu?
[16:26] <porthose> dholbach: at times it is, but that is why I only concentrate on a very few packages, I try not to over commit myself
[16:27] <dholbach> that makes sense
[16:27] <dholbach> persia, geser, jpds: quesitons?
[16:28] <jpds> None from me.
[16:29] <geser> porthose: you mentioned that is's hard to get someone to review a package on REVU. Any ideas how one could improve that?
[16:29] <persia> I'm set.  I'll also say that I've been involved in porthose's uploads of ampache, and was happy with the final results.
[16:32] <porthose> geser: I have been tossing that around in my head for a long time, and really haven't come up with anything yet, but I have noticed that nhandler and RainCT have been really pushing REVU days and alot more packages are being uploaded, for now I guess just help out where I can
[16:33] <dholbach> porthose: thanks for helping out there... geser: all set?
[16:33] <geser> yes
[16:33] <dholbach> super
[16:33] <dholbach> [VOTE] Shall the MC recommend Charlie Smotherman for upload privileges for ampache, ampache-themes and coherence?
[16:33] <MootBot> Please vote on:  Shall the MC recommend Charlie Smotherman for upload privileges for ampache, ampache-themes and coherence?.
[16:33] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
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[16:33] <jpds> +1
[16:33] <dholbach> +1
[16:33] <MootBot> +1 received from jpds. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[16:33] <MootBot> +1 received from dholbach. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
[16:34] <persia> +1
[16:34] <MootBot> +1 received from persia. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3
[16:34] <geser> +1
[16:34] <MootBot> +1 received from geser. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4
[16:34] <dholbach> [endvote]
[16:34] <MootBot> Final result is 4 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 4
[16:34] <dholbach> well done, porthose
[16:34] <porthose> dholbach: ty
[16:34] <dholbach> porthose: we'll let the TB know about it and they'll be in touch with you RSN
[16:35] <dholbach> [TOPIC] Stefan Lesicnik's application
[16:35] <MootBot> New Topic:  Stefan Lesicnik's application
[16:35] <porthose> dholbach: ok and thanks again to everyone
[16:35] <dholbach> stefanlsd: so what's your involvement exactly with LSD?
[16:35] <dholbach> stefanlsd: anything we need to worry about?
[16:35] <stefanlsd> dholbach: aah. no.  Linux System Dynamics is the name of my company. LSD is just catchy
[16:35] <stefanlsd> dholbach: to remember that is :)
[16:35] <dholbach> I was just kidding :)
[16:36] <dholbach> how's your German lessons coming on?
[16:36] <geser> stefanlsd: you know that there is no requirement to know german for becoming a MOTU? :)
[16:36] <persia> geser, There isn't?
[16:36] <stefanlsd> haha. es geht :)   grammer keeps getting me... but i can speak it ok. (maybe not high german, but austrian dialect)
[16:37] <dholbach> stefanlsd: Wirst Du Dich jetzt erstmal auf Security-Arbeit konzentrieren?
[16:37] <ScottK> dholbach: #ubuntu-de
[16:37] <ScottK> ;-)
[16:37] <dholbach> ScottK: I hope the international vocabulary like "Security" was understandable enough :)
[16:37] <stefanlsd> dholbach: heh. I started doing a fair amount of stuff with the security team after a opendev week session with jd and kees asking for some help
[16:38] <ScottK> dholbach: Certainly.
[16:38] <dholbach> stefanlsd: what do you like best about it?
[16:38]  * ScottK recalls seeing stefanlsd active on -security stuff.
[16:38] <jpds> ScottK: Any clamav stuff?
[16:38] <ScottK> He helped me solve some apparmor profile stuff (for clamav)
[16:39] <stefanlsd> dholbach: i enjoy aspects of security (generally), i think ubuntu universe needs alot of work when it comes to security. I was very interested listening to UDS regarding a MoM way of merging / syncing debian security to us...
[16:39] <stefanlsd> dholbach: I would like to put some effort into that process if I can
[16:39] <dholbach> stefanlsd: anything that has your attention already?
[16:41] <stefanlsd> dholbach: Using MoM to check debian security.  That should shorten our time to get things into universe security.  Biggest concern for me is regression and 'SRU' process with this
[16:41] <dholbach> that makes sense
[16:41] <stefanlsd> Security is very challenging as its essentially an SRU. So lots of careful testing needs to be done...
[16:41] <dholbach> jpds, geser, persia: questions?
[16:42] <jpds> stefanlsd: Have you worked with the Debian security team as well?
[16:42] <stefanlsd> jpds: I havent worked with their team as such (online) - but i have included a number of their patches into our security, and also pushed patches to them.
[16:43] <persia> stefanlsd, What strategis do you think we should use to encourage more contrinbuting developers?
[16:43] <jpds> stefanlsd: Great.
[16:43] <stefanlsd> jpds: wireshark patches def. Not sure why i dont see it in my forwarded to debian list...  (will need to check)
[16:45] <stefanlsd> persia: Its tough. I am running a package jam here soon (tentative 27th June) - where I hope with actual face to face meetings, we'll be able to get some people. My biggest thing is telling people that you dont need to be a developer! (maybe the term is misleading) - Like dholbach says - its more detective work...
[16:45]  * dholbach gives stefanlsd a big hug :)
[16:45] <stefanlsd> persia: I was chatting to mok0 regarding REVU and how to improve that also...
[16:46] <stefanlsd> persia: I think that MOTU's are afraid to advocate?  (not sure here, discussion needed), but its kinda like, if i advocate and i'm wrong, what will others think?
[16:46] <stefanlsd> We need to all get involved and all help each other out, and learn from it
[16:46] <jpds> It's important to recognize that we all make mistakes and learn from them.
[16:47] <stefanlsd> Maybe some form of a REVU Mentor?
[16:47] <vorian> that's a good idea
[16:47] <stefanlsd> I know I still have stuff to learn on packaging... mok's session was excellent on REVU
[16:48] <dholbach> jpds, geser, persia: any more questions from you?
[16:49] <jpds> I'm cool.
[16:49] <geser> no
[16:50] <dholbach> persia: still around? :)
[16:52] <persia> stefanlsd, Could you outline the licensing requirements for a package to be included in universe vs. multiverse?
[16:54] <stefanlsd> persia: not my strongest point   (hence the review!) - but my understanding is that all the source must be fully redistributable
[16:54] <persia> Well, that's true for both multiverse and universe.  Are you able to describe the difference?
[16:56] <stefanlsd> persia: multiverse would contain software that is not free but is able to be distributed
[16:57] <dholbach> persia: all set?
[16:57] <persia> Sure.
[16:57] <dholbach> [VOTE] Shall Stefan Lesicnik become a MOTU?
[16:57] <MootBot> Please vote on:  Shall Stefan Lesicnik become a MOTU?.
[16:57] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
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[16:57] <jpds> +1
[16:57] <dholbach> +1
[16:57] <MootBot> +1 received from jpds. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[16:57] <MootBot> +1 received from dholbach. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
[16:57] <geser> +1
[16:57] <MootBot> +1 received from geser. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3
[16:58] <persia> +0.  I'm concerned about consideration of licensing, especially with a specific desire to be involved in sponsoring and REVU.
[16:58] <dholbach> [endvote]
[16:58] <MootBot> Final result is 3 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 3
[16:59] <dholbach> persia: what more do you expect from Stefan?
[17:00]  * persia looks at stuff harder
[17:02] <stefanlsd> persia: I think its something I can get better at. I also know that there are various avenues of finding out if I am not sure
[17:02] <persia> Yeah.  I guess it's that I'd like to see a bit more of that before I say +1.
[17:03] <persia> I'm *very* happy with a large number of components of the application otherwise, which is part of why I pause when asked what more I want.
[17:03] <stefanlsd> persia: ok. np.
[17:03] <dholbach> persia: do you think you can talk to stefanlsd outside this meeting to clarify about what you'd like to see?
[17:04] <dholbach> just so Stefan knows when to come back
[17:04] <persia> I'd be *very* happy to do that.
[17:04] <dholbach> thanks
[17:04] <dholbach> stefanlsd: thanks a lot for your great work and keep it up!
[17:04] <stefanlsd> persia: thanks. would appreciate that too.
[17:04] <persia> stefanlsd, I'll try to work with you in time that you can make the next meeting, or, worst case, the one following.
[17:05] <stefanlsd> np. thanks for everyone's time :)
[17:05] <dholbach> [TOPIC] Andrew Starr-Bochicchio's application
[17:05] <MootBot> New Topic:  Andrew Starr-Bochicchio's application
[17:05] <dholbach> asomething: still around? :)
[17:05] <asomething> yep!
[17:05] <dholbach> perfect!
[17:05] <geser> I've to leave in about 15 min
[17:06] <dholbach> geser: questions? :)
[17:06] <dholbach> asomething: do you have an idea how to automatically add "(LP: #1234567)" to debian/changelog? :-)
[17:07]  * nixternal is here
[17:07] <asomething> ya, that's some thing that I've forgotten sometimes, bBut most of them had to do with building the package before filing a sponsorship bug. Something that I hopefully won't be doing for universe any more. =)
[17:07] <geser> asomething: how will you make sure that bugs gets closed for uploads where you forget the (lp: #xxx)?
[17:08] <jpds> nixternal: Better late than never!
[17:08] <asomething> Geser: I follow up on my work so I can always close it manually
[17:09] <geser> oh good, so nixternal can replace me if we aren't done in 15 min :)
[17:10] <dholbach> persia, jpds: any questions?
[17:10] <dholbach> asomething: what was your experience when you worked with debian?
[17:11] <jpds> asomething: I usually add LP: ## to changelogs as I fix the stuff so it's done, don't you like automatically closing stuff? :)
[17:11] <persia> asomething, Could you outline some of the special considerations involved when packaging a theme?
[17:11] <dholbach> asomething: what was it like when you worked on stuff with the desktop team?
[17:12] <asomething> dholbach: generally my experience with debian has been good, I maintain a few packages my selfy and I've got good relations with some maintainers of stuff im interested in
[17:12] <nixternal> asomething: what are your plans for future packages? sticking specifically with GNOME based desktop packages, or are you looking to expand out into other areas?
[17:13] <nixternal> honestly, we have enough GNOME packages, so what makes you stand out?
[17:13] <nixternal> s/packages/packagers
[17:13] <asomething> persia: as i'm finding out with gnome-colors, checking copyright is important, artists dont check things as much as software devs
[17:13]  * nixternal notes that you can never have enough really
[17:13] <dholbach> nixternal: I'll tell seb128 about that - you'll never have a quiet day in your life again
[17:13] <nixternal> remember, I am a volunteer!
[17:13] <nixternal> ;P
[17:14] <asomething> nixternal: well, I'm mostly concerned with GTK+ stuff, but generally there is a lot of stuff out there with fixes already availiable I want to find those thing and fix them
[17:15] <asomething> like I say in my app, I'm interested in continuing to pick off the low hanging fruit but also helping to get more people involved with it as well, training ect
[17:16] <nixternal> well I think as a MOTU, you should strive for more than low-hanging fruit, and leave those for people who are trying to become MOTU and such, what do you think?
[17:16] <dholbach> I have no more questions
[17:16]  * persia is looking up details for a quest
[17:16] <persia> ion
[17:16] <nixternal> hehe
[17:16] <nixternal> dholbach: you shoul dknow that by now, when persia is quiet for so long, he is digging
[17:17] <asomething> nixternal: part of leaving that stuff for contributors is having more sponsors
[17:17]  * geser leaves
[17:17] <persia> asomething, You recently uploaded a merge of boost1.37 : Could you share your view of the boost1.37 -> boost1.38 transition, and what ought be done for karmic?
[17:17] <nixternal> geser: want to give us your vote before you go?
[17:18] <persia> geser, Have a  good evening
[17:18] <dholbach> geser: have a good evening
[17:19]  * nixternal notes he needs to the Signals2 library from boost
[17:19] <asomething> persia: i think it's doable, but not really my area of expertise. I was simply the last uploader on that for jaunty to pull in a debian fix affecting libtorrent-rasterbar
[17:20] <asomething> part of working with the debian deluge maintainer
[17:20] <persia> Did you review alternate versions, or consider migrating to the new version?
[17:22] <asomething> well, my goal was getting deluge syncable and the debian maintainer is building libtorrent-rasterbar against 1.37 only
[17:23] <dholbach> persia, nixternal, jpds: any more questions?
[17:23] <jpds> None from me.
[17:23]  * persia is done.
[17:23] <nixternal> done
[17:23] <dholbach> [VOTE] Shall Andrew Starr-Bochicchio become MOTU?
[17:23] <MootBot> Please vote on:  Shall Andrew Starr-Bochicchio become MOTU?.
[17:23] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
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[17:23] <jpds> +1
[17:23] <dholbach> +1
[17:23] <MootBot> +1 received from jpds. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[17:23] <MootBot> +1 received from dholbach. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
[17:24] <nixternal> +1
[17:24] <MootBot> +1 received from nixternal. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3
[17:24] <persia> +1
[17:24] <MootBot> +1 received from persia. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4
[17:24] <dholbach> [endvote]
[17:24] <MootBot> Final result is 4 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 4
[17:24] <dholbach> congratulations asomething!
[17:24] <dholbach> asomething: ... long overdue! :-)
[17:25] <asomething> Thanks!
[17:25] <nixternal> congrats and welcome asomething!
[17:25] <nellery> congrats asomething! :)
[17:25] <jpds> Congrats asomething!
[17:25] <stefanlsd> congrats!
[17:25] <nixternal> now get boost1.39 uploaded and backported! :p
[17:25] <porthose> congrats
[17:25] <dholbach> [TOPIC] AOB?
[17:25] <MootBot> New Topic:  AOB?
[17:25] <persia> 1.39!
[17:25] <nixternal> what is that?
[17:25] <dholbach> Any other business
[17:25] <nixternal> oh
[17:25] <nixternal> hah
[17:25]  * persia is good.
[17:25] <dholbach> who's going to do the honours?
[17:25] <nixternal> none here
[17:26] <nixternal> I am going to the hospital, so maybe if and when I come back I could do them
[17:26] <dholbach> nixternal: ok, if you don't make it back, I'll do it tomorrow early!
[17:26] <dholbach> deal?
[17:26] <nixternal> umm, I better make it back dude, only way that I wouldn't is if I kicked the bucket
[17:27] <dholbach> nixternal: I'm sure you will :)
[17:27] <nixternal> but that is fine...i can do it here in a bit :)
[17:27] <dholbach> thanks muchly
[17:27] <nixternal> it's just an ankle ;p
[17:27]  * jpds disappears for today - later folks.
[17:27] <dholbach> ok...
[17:27] <dholbach> #endmeeting
[17:27] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 11:27.
[17:27] <dholbach> thanks a lot everybody!
[17:27] <nixternal> dholbach: have a drink for me!
[17:27]  * dholbach hugs porthose, hyperair, stefanlsd, asomething
[17:27] <dholbach> sure will :)
[17:27] <dholbach> take care
[17:28]  * hyperair hugs dholbach
[17:28] <dholbach> :-)
[17:28]  * porthose hugs dholbach back:)
[17:28] <dholbach> see you around
[23:06] <ldlandis> hi.. are meetings pending? (I'm a newbie).