[01:26] hello hola [01:28] e ubuntu does not have virus? [01:28] why ubuntu have virus? why? [01:28] marti1125, support in #ubuntu === edson is now known as epcanto === epcanto is now known as edson === cody-somerville_ is now known as cody-somerville === plars_ is now known as plars === asac_ is now known as asac === Nicke_ is now known as Nicke [15:54] hello [15:55] geser, jpds, persia: around? [15:55] * asomething waves [15:55] Afternoon. [15:55] hyperair, porthose, asomething, stefanlsd: around too? [15:55] hi asomething :) [15:55] i'm here =) [15:55] dholbach: hi, i'm here [15:56] rock and roll [15:56] * geser waves [15:58] * porthose waves [15:59] persia should be around in a bit [16:03] * persia waves [16:03] ah great [16:03] #startmeeting [16:03] Right, awesomeness. [16:03] Meeting started at 10:03. The chair is dholbach. [16:03] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [16:03] [TOPIC] Chow Loong Jin's application [16:03] New Topic: Chow Loong Jin's application [16:03] oho. it begins [16:03] hyperair: how are you doing? [16:03] fine thanks =) [16:03] everything alright? :) [16:03] perfect [16:03] * hyperair nods [16:04] in your application you say that you'd like to do other (and probably bigger) things in the future - do you have any ideas already? [16:04] any people you've worked with some more in the last time? [16:04] people i've worked with.. [16:04] there's POX [16:05] and Dktrtranz (is that how you spell his name? i've been tab completing all the while) [16:05] as for ideas, no, i don't really do. [16:05] hyperair: DktrKranz - you were close enough :-) [16:05] whoops =p [16:05] hyperair: you're mostly interested in mono-related packages? [16:06] hyperair: How are the mirror status on sg.r.u.c? [16:06] dholbach: not particularly, it just happens that banshee caught my interest. [16:06] dholbach: and its plugins, all of which are written in C# [16:06] er extensions [16:07] hyperair: I'm sure you make jcastro very happy because of that :) [16:07] jpds: it's holding up on its own for the time being =) i'm in malaysia and not within ssh-able reach of the server. [16:07] dholbach: i hope so =) [16:08] in fact, regarding banshee, i recently started a banshee-daily repository, and wrote a script (which i will probably put somewhere online) which git pull's and generates a changelog entry, builds, signs and uploads to the ppa [16:09] geser, persia: do you have any questions already? [16:09] hyperair: That would make Mark happy :) [16:09] hyperair, You mention that you think you could collaborate better. Could you share your plans to do so? [16:09] nice, I'm sure others would appreciate it, do you think it'd make sense to have something like that in ubuntu-dev-tools? [16:10] persia: team-maintain every package i maintain, instead of on my own, and discuss things with the team and possibly others [16:11] hyperair, OK. In that case, perhaps you could explain how you don't collaborate enough now :) === MaWaLe1 is now known as MaWaLe [16:12] persia: like i mentioned in my application, i don't really consider what i could possibly achieve by collaborating with others. [16:13] and regarding what i've done since the time i wrote the application, i've recently created a pkg-geany team to help maintain geany and its plugins in debian [16:13] hyperair: did you hear about https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/PatchTaggingGuidelines already? [16:14] er no i didn't [16:14] (I noticed that you hadn't made use of it in bug 248705) [16:14] Launchpad bug 248705 in evolution-data-server "Evolution Exchange does not authenticate to Exchange servers with a relative path in the form action, e.g. "owaauth.dll"" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/248705 [16:15] which is not a big deal, I just noticed :) [16:15] ah yes, i didn't. i actually submitted the fix upstream [16:15] =) [16:15] i'll take note of this in the future [16:15] jpds, persia, geser: any more questions - I'm all set [16:16] hyperair, You mention you're using PPAs to handle stable backports of some applications. Have you tried the ubuntu-backports process? [16:16] I'm happy with his application.\ [16:16] persia: not really. mostly because when i use the PPAs to handle these backports.. they're stuff that exceed what can enter the -backports [16:17] like new upstream releases which are more than bugfix releases [16:17] i did make use of the backports for banshee-extension-mirage though [16:17] but even then i still maintain that in the PPA. [16:17] -backports is precisely for that: to the degree that bugfixes aren't accepted in -backports. [16:18] hmm i'll go read up more about the process then [16:19] geser? [16:19] no questions [16:20] great, persia: all set too? [16:20] I'm all set. [16:20] [VOTE] Shall Chow Loong Jin become Contributing Developer? [16:20] Please vote on: Shall Chow Loong Jin become Contributing Developer?. [16:20] Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to MootBot [16:20] E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting [16:20] +1 [16:20] +1 received from dholbach. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1 [16:20] +1 [16:20] +1 received from jpds. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2 [16:20] +1 [16:20] +1 received from geser. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3 [16:20] correction: banshee-extension-mirage was by laney, not me. my memory's a bit messed up by that [16:20] +1 [16:20] +1 received from persia. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4 [16:20] #endvote [16:20] @endvote [16:20] =D [16:20] [endvote] [16:20] Final result is 4 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 4 [16:21] congratulations hyperair [16:21] Congrats hyperair. [16:21] hyperair: congrats! [16:21] thanks =) [16:21] \o [16:21] [TOPIC] Charlie Smotherman's application [16:21] whoopee hyperair! [16:21] New Topic: Charlie Smotherman's application [16:21] hey porthose - how's life? [16:21] thanks jmarki =) [16:21] gong hei [16:21] dholbach: can't complain [16:21] great :) [16:22] porthose: so you're requesting upload privileges for ampache{,-themes} and coherence [16:22] porthose: did you manage to establish a relationship to the debian coherence maintainers? [16:22] dholbach: yes that is correct [16:23] dholbach: yes I have, Arnaud has upload the new coherence-0.6.4 for me and should be auto synced this next go round [16:23] that sounds good [16:24] how is the bug situation of the 3 packages in debian/ubuntu? [16:24] dholbach: porthose is in Uploaders for coherence [16:24] geser: ah right, just spotted it in the application - thanks [16:25] dholbach: I would consider it in pretty good shape, there are some that will be closed with some new releases once they are sponsored into debian [16:25] great... was it tough to stay on top of things happening in debian/upstream/ubuntu? [16:26] dholbach: at times it is, but that is why I only concentrate on a very few packages, I try not to over commit myself [16:27] that makes sense [16:27] persia, geser, jpds: quesitons? [16:28] None from me. [16:29] porthose: you mentioned that is's hard to get someone to review a package on REVU. Any ideas how one could improve that? [16:29] I'm set. I'll also say that I've been involved in porthose's uploads of ampache, and was happy with the final results. [16:32] geser: I have been tossing that around in my head for a long time, and really haven't come up with anything yet, but I have noticed that nhandler and RainCT have been really pushing REVU days and alot more packages are being uploaded, for now I guess just help out where I can [16:33] porthose: thanks for helping out there... geser: all set? [16:33] yes [16:33] super [16:33] [VOTE] Shall the MC recommend Charlie Smotherman for upload privileges for ampache, ampache-themes and coherence? [16:33] Please vote on: Shall the MC recommend Charlie Smotherman for upload privileges for ampache, ampache-themes and coherence?. [16:33] Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to MootBot [16:33] E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting [16:33] +1 [16:33] +1 [16:33] +1 received from jpds. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1 [16:33] +1 received from dholbach. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2 [16:34] +1 [16:34] +1 received from persia. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3 [16:34] +1 [16:34] +1 received from geser. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4 [16:34] [endvote] [16:34] Final result is 4 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 4 [16:34] well done, porthose [16:34] dholbach: ty [16:34] porthose: we'll let the TB know about it and they'll be in touch with you RSN [16:35] [TOPIC] Stefan Lesicnik's application [16:35] New Topic: Stefan Lesicnik's application [16:35] dholbach: ok and thanks again to everyone [16:35] stefanlsd: so what's your involvement exactly with LSD? [16:35] stefanlsd: anything we need to worry about? [16:35] dholbach: aah. no. Linux System Dynamics is the name of my company. LSD is just catchy [16:35] dholbach: to remember that is :) [16:35] I was just kidding :) [16:36] how's your German lessons coming on? [16:36] stefanlsd: you know that there is no requirement to know german for becoming a MOTU? :) [16:36] geser, There isn't? [16:36] haha. es geht :) grammer keeps getting me... but i can speak it ok. (maybe not high german, but austrian dialect) [16:37] stefanlsd: Wirst Du Dich jetzt erstmal auf Security-Arbeit konzentrieren? [16:37] dholbach: #ubuntu-de [16:37] ;-) [16:37] ScottK: I hope the international vocabulary like "Security" was understandable enough :) [16:37] dholbach: heh. I started doing a fair amount of stuff with the security team after a opendev week session with jd and kees asking for some help [16:38] dholbach: Certainly. [16:38] stefanlsd: what do you like best about it? [16:38] * ScottK recalls seeing stefanlsd active on -security stuff. [16:38] ScottK: Any clamav stuff? [16:38] He helped me solve some apparmor profile stuff (for clamav) [16:39] dholbach: i enjoy aspects of security (generally), i think ubuntu universe needs alot of work when it comes to security. I was very interested listening to UDS regarding a MoM way of merging / syncing debian security to us... [16:39] dholbach: I would like to put some effort into that process if I can [16:39] stefanlsd: anything that has your attention already? [16:41] dholbach: Using MoM to check debian security. That should shorten our time to get things into universe security. Biggest concern for me is regression and 'SRU' process with this [16:41] that makes sense [16:41] Security is very challenging as its essentially an SRU. So lots of careful testing needs to be done... [16:41] jpds, geser, persia: questions? [16:42] stefanlsd: Have you worked with the Debian security team as well? [16:42] jpds: I havent worked with their team as such (online) - but i have included a number of their patches into our security, and also pushed patches to them. [16:43] stefanlsd, What strategis do you think we should use to encourage more contrinbuting developers? [16:43] stefanlsd: Great. [16:43] jpds: wireshark patches def. Not sure why i dont see it in my forwarded to debian list... (will need to check) [16:45] persia: Its tough. I am running a package jam here soon (tentative 27th June) - where I hope with actual face to face meetings, we'll be able to get some people. My biggest thing is telling people that you dont need to be a developer! (maybe the term is misleading) - Like dholbach says - its more detective work... [16:45] * dholbach gives stefanlsd a big hug :) [16:45] persia: I was chatting to mok0 regarding REVU and how to improve that also... [16:46] persia: I think that MOTU's are afraid to advocate? (not sure here, discussion needed), but its kinda like, if i advocate and i'm wrong, what will others think? [16:46] We need to all get involved and all help each other out, and learn from it [16:46] It's important to recognize that we all make mistakes and learn from them. [16:47] Maybe some form of a REVU Mentor? [16:47] that's a good idea [16:47] I know I still have stuff to learn on packaging... mok's session was excellent on REVU [16:48] jpds, geser, persia: any more questions from you? [16:49] I'm cool. [16:49] no [16:50] persia: still around? :) [16:52] stefanlsd, Could you outline the licensing requirements for a package to be included in universe vs. multiverse? === thekorn_ is now known as thekorn [16:54] persia: not my strongest point (hence the review!) - but my understanding is that all the source must be fully redistributable [16:54] Well, that's true for both multiverse and universe. Are you able to describe the difference? [16:56] persia: multiverse would contain software that is not free but is able to be distributed [16:57] persia: all set? [16:57] Sure. [16:57] [VOTE] Shall Stefan Lesicnik become a MOTU? [16:57] Please vote on: Shall Stefan Lesicnik become a MOTU?. [16:57] Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to MootBot [16:57] E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting [16:57] +1 [16:57] +1 [16:57] +1 received from jpds. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1 [16:57] +1 received from dholbach. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2 [16:57] +1 [16:57] +1 received from geser. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3 [16:58] +0. I'm concerned about consideration of licensing, especially with a specific desire to be involved in sponsoring and REVU. [16:58] [endvote] [16:58] Final result is 3 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 3 [16:59] persia: what more do you expect from Stefan? [17:00] * persia looks at stuff harder [17:02] persia: I think its something I can get better at. I also know that there are various avenues of finding out if I am not sure [17:02] Yeah. I guess it's that I'd like to see a bit more of that before I say +1. [17:03] I'm *very* happy with a large number of components of the application otherwise, which is part of why I pause when asked what more I want. [17:03] persia: ok. np. [17:03] persia: do you think you can talk to stefanlsd outside this meeting to clarify about what you'd like to see? [17:04] just so Stefan knows when to come back [17:04] I'd be *very* happy to do that. [17:04] thanks [17:04] stefanlsd: thanks a lot for your great work and keep it up! [17:04] persia: thanks. would appreciate that too. [17:04] stefanlsd, I'll try to work with you in time that you can make the next meeting, or, worst case, the one following. [17:05] np. thanks for everyone's time :) [17:05] [TOPIC] Andrew Starr-Bochicchio's application [17:05] New Topic: Andrew Starr-Bochicchio's application [17:05] asomething: still around? :) [17:05] yep! [17:05] perfect! [17:05] I've to leave in about 15 min [17:06] geser: questions? :) [17:06] asomething: do you have an idea how to automatically add "(LP: #1234567)" to debian/changelog? :-) [17:07] * nixternal is here [17:07] ya, that's some thing that I've forgotten sometimes, bBut most of them had to do with building the package before filing a sponsorship bug. Something that I hopefully won't be doing for universe any more. =) [17:07] asomething: how will you make sure that bugs gets closed for uploads where you forget the (lp: #xxx)? [17:08] nixternal: Better late than never! [17:08] Geser: I follow up on my work so I can always close it manually [17:09] oh good, so nixternal can replace me if we aren't done in 15 min :) [17:10] persia, jpds: any questions? [17:10] asomething: what was your experience when you worked with debian? [17:11] asomething: I usually add LP: ## to changelogs as I fix the stuff so it's done, don't you like automatically closing stuff? :) [17:11] asomething, Could you outline some of the special considerations involved when packaging a theme? [17:11] asomething: what was it like when you worked on stuff with the desktop team? [17:12] dholbach: generally my experience with debian has been good, I maintain a few packages my selfy and I've got good relations with some maintainers of stuff im interested in [17:12] asomething: what are your plans for future packages? sticking specifically with GNOME based desktop packages, or are you looking to expand out into other areas? [17:13] honestly, we have enough GNOME packages, so what makes you stand out? [17:13] s/packages/packagers [17:13] persia: as i'm finding out with gnome-colors, checking copyright is important, artists dont check things as much as software devs [17:13] * nixternal notes that you can never have enough really [17:13] nixternal: I'll tell seb128 about that - you'll never have a quiet day in your life again [17:13] remember, I am a volunteer! [17:13] ;P [17:14] nixternal: well, I'm mostly concerned with GTK+ stuff, but generally there is a lot of stuff out there with fixes already availiable I want to find those thing and fix them [17:15] like I say in my app, I'm interested in continuing to pick off the low hanging fruit but also helping to get more people involved with it as well, training ect [17:16] well I think as a MOTU, you should strive for more than low-hanging fruit, and leave those for people who are trying to become MOTU and such, what do you think? [17:16] I have no more questions [17:16] * persia is looking up details for a quest [17:16] ion [17:16] hehe [17:16] dholbach: you shoul dknow that by now, when persia is quiet for so long, he is digging [17:17] nixternal: part of leaving that stuff for contributors is having more sponsors [17:17] * geser leaves [17:17] asomething, You recently uploaded a merge of boost1.37 : Could you share your view of the boost1.37 -> boost1.38 transition, and what ought be done for karmic? [17:17] geser: want to give us your vote before you go? [17:18] geser, Have a good evening [17:18] geser: have a good evening [17:19] * nixternal notes he needs to the Signals2 library from boost [17:19] persia: i think it's doable, but not really my area of expertise. I was simply the last uploader on that for jaunty to pull in a debian fix affecting libtorrent-rasterbar [17:20] part of working with the debian deluge maintainer [17:20] Did you review alternate versions, or consider migrating to the new version? [17:22] well, my goal was getting deluge syncable and the debian maintainer is building libtorrent-rasterbar against 1.37 only [17:23] persia, nixternal, jpds: any more questions? [17:23] None from me. [17:23] * persia is done. [17:23] done [17:23] [VOTE] Shall Andrew Starr-Bochicchio become MOTU? [17:23] Please vote on: Shall Andrew Starr-Bochicchio become MOTU?. [17:23] Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to MootBot [17:23] E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting [17:23] +1 [17:23] +1 [17:23] +1 received from jpds. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1 [17:23] +1 received from dholbach. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2 [17:24] +1 [17:24] +1 received from nixternal. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3 [17:24] +1 [17:24] +1 received from persia. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4 [17:24] [endvote] [17:24] Final result is 4 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 4 [17:24] congratulations asomething! [17:24] asomething: ... long overdue! :-) [17:25] Thanks! [17:25] congrats and welcome asomething! [17:25] congrats asomething! :) [17:25] Congrats asomething! [17:25] congrats! [17:25] now get boost1.39 uploaded and backported! :p [17:25] congrats [17:25] [TOPIC] AOB? [17:25] New Topic: AOB? [17:25] 1.39! [17:25] what is that? [17:25] Any other business [17:25] oh [17:25] hah [17:25] * persia is good. [17:25] who's going to do the honours? [17:25] none here [17:26] I am going to the hospital, so maybe if and when I come back I could do them [17:26] nixternal: ok, if you don't make it back, I'll do it tomorrow early! [17:26] deal? [17:26] umm, I better make it back dude, only way that I wouldn't is if I kicked the bucket [17:27] nixternal: I'm sure you will :) [17:27] but that is fine...i can do it here in a bit :) [17:27] thanks muchly [17:27] it's just an ankle ;p [17:27] * jpds disappears for today - later folks. [17:27] ok... [17:27] #endmeeting [17:27] Meeting finished at 11:27. [17:27] thanks a lot everybody! [17:27] dholbach: have a drink for me! [17:27] * dholbach hugs porthose, hyperair, stefanlsd, asomething [17:27] sure will :) [17:27] take care [17:28] * hyperair hugs dholbach [17:28] :-) [17:28] * porthose hugs dholbach back:) [17:28] see you around === MaWaLe1 is now known as MaWaLe === nizarus_ is now known as nizarus [23:06] hi.. are meetings pending? (I'm a newbie).