[08:10] StevenK, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/mobile-mid-karmic-images should probably reference https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Specs/MobileMidKarmicImages [08:10] persia: Fixed. [08:10] StevenK, Thanks. [08:14] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/mobile-unr-karmic-iso-versus-img === Sts|office is now known as Stskeeps_ [11:13] comment: we have a goal for 1.0 which is day to day usable on a N8x0, which would be stable enough for use [11:14] where you don't have to go back to using Maemo [11:14] we have UI quirks at the moment, a bunch of control panels to be made and such [11:14] let me just upload a presentation people can glance through that will be presented saturday in copenhagen [11:15] Mer UI is still hildon [11:15] just with a new layout and theme :) [11:15] it's hildon-desktop with lipstick :P [11:16] we use debootstrap and apt-get really - it's a script that makes the rootfs's dependant on the devices [11:16] HW and platform is entirely seperate [11:18] 27 august: maybe :) we hope to put out Mer 1.0 before Fremantle release [11:18] so people can use it when the new nokia devices come out, as a replacement for N8x0 Disablo [11:19] not yet [11:19] beta2 soon though [11:19] www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/cphnotes.pdf is a presentation i'll be giving on saturday on a danish developer weekend [11:19] notes on page 19 [11:20] you can get the raw odp if you want :P [11:20] not sure about videos. [11:20] ok [11:20] our usual guy in maemo.org isn't there to record, and i haven't presented this presentation yet :) [11:21] ahh ok [11:22] what we hope to work with ubuntu is to clean up packages (we have spent some time making diffs from the maemo packaging) and perhaps work together on GTK quirks :P [11:22] and to gain a shared set of sane packages [11:24] we aren't exactly packaging experts so there's a need for expertise in cleaning up some things :P [11:25] * lbt (as the "Mer build guy") would be happy to talk to anyone about packaging tasks for Mer [11:26] Stskeeps_: lbt: feel free to poke us whenever [11:26] can you repeat that question? :P === plars_ is now known as plars [11:27] heh [11:27] Is the Mer team happy to have their software delivered as "Ubuntu MID"? [11:27] * lbt is [11:28] yes - as long as we are aware it's not a merge of Mer and Ubuntu MID project wise, MID is a variant / seed of the Mer packaging etc, and we hope to work together on packages [11:29] so it's just another way to bring the Maemo platform to more devices :) [11:29] but we'd love to cooperate [11:29] that's how I'd understood it (re comment in room) [11:29] Mer is just making Maemo sane enough to run outside Maemo ;) [11:29] there should be a lot of overlap [11:30] Maemo GTK is a big one and should be carefully looked into when adopting Hildon. :P [11:30] because it's the most troublesome problem with adoption [11:31] are we speaking automated tests or testcases for people to run through? [11:32] yes, that should be cooperated upon obviously :) [11:32] we should inherit a lot of quality from hildon testing as well [11:33] yes, i think there's automated ones [11:34] * lbt would also like to mention the build system for the 'agenda' [11:34] we should definately talk to Maemo Devices and discuss how we can work on this - i'm sure quim gil would be interested :) [11:34] if we're done on testing? [11:34] we use OBS [11:34] which is the Suse system [11:34] hehe, we use OpenSUSE build service so just a quick overview of how things are structured at the moment [11:34] correct [11:35] (it can -also- build on ubuntu standard build!) [11:35] so you shouldn't care [11:35] ; [11:35] ) [11:35] no... but we have a process [11:35] build+process [11:35] we will have a presentation in the weekend on OBS as well [11:35] yes [11:35] build also builds the repo [11:36] :Devel->:Testing->:Stable [11:36] and a make-like rebuild [11:36] yes [11:36] we need to review that [11:37] we do similar but on a smaller timescale :P [11:37] now we end up with things going into :Devel [11:38] and things going into :Testing [11:38] mer only moves ahead with contributions so cleanup patches, fixing UI quirks, only help to reach the goal :) [11:38] some are new features, some fixes [11:38] we're getting there but not yet. there's a page on it in the slides i sent [11:38] my concern is we branch [11:38] and we're not setup for that yet [11:38] I expect that :) [11:39] yes.... I am 'concerned' about making sure improvements get back into :Devel [11:40] ( and help get working on OBS ) [11:40] and know that we included your patches... yes [11:40] we'd probably consider you ubuntu developers as any other mer contributors in terms of getting packages up to fashion or UI etc :) [11:40] meh... OBS is just dpkg-buildpkg [11:41] already on lp [11:41] is there more? [11:41] lbt: not so much :) [11:42] sure... will review [11:42] you are? [11:42] you'd probably gain access to mer trees as well to work on it as well :) [11:42] So, please do schedule something with me :) [11:42] since it's a cooperation and we can practically just copy in packages from mer to ubuntu [11:43] we can make Mer_0.14LT ;) [11:43] *nod* [11:43] 8 weeks!!! [11:44] sounds good.... document somewhere and review [11:46] i'll take a talk with quim gil etc about maemo upstream now that we have ubuntu in the view and get a process going there [11:46] over one or more beers ;) [11:46] we also have hildon Qt in the mix [11:46] in the weekend [11:46] we have it :) [11:46] it's there [11:47] it's a variant of qt that looks like hildon [11:47] it's just as much a pain as maemo gtk ;) [11:47] http://qt4.garage.maemo.org/ [11:48] in terms of integrating into ubuntu [11:48] it makes qt apps fit in hildon nicely [11:48] matchbox wm atm (version 1) [11:48] oh, keyboard [11:49] we use hildon input method at the moment but it's getting to be a headache [11:49] we want good solutions.... the earlier the better [11:49] none of the cool maemo stuff is OSS ;) [11:49] and i'm personally not a GTK expert [11:49] so we have a virtual keyboard example [11:49] and that's it :) [11:50] we need to work on agreeing API/dev stuff [11:50] also there's problems with upstream HIM we're working on (only support thumb keyboard) [11:51] we aren't locked to HIM exclusively at least :) [11:51] it's just a gtk im [11:51] I don't have a HW keyboard [11:52] N800 [11:52] need a virtual keyb... don't care which [11:52] we need a on screen keyboard, we use Hildon Input Method at the moment [11:52] the virtual keyboard [11:53] but it needs improvement to be sane for users in the long term, layouts, etc :) [11:54] *nod* there is some thought maybe to scrap HIM as the benefit isn't so big at the moment [11:55] * lbt is not an expert in the implementation in this area [11:55] it's just about switching gtk im's so :P [11:56] nope... [11:56] thanks.... look forward to it :) [11:56] 1pm ;) [11:56] heh... sounds good [11:57] right - thanks, will this session be stored anywhere? [11:57] the audio of the session that is :) [11:58] ah, alright [11:58] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/mobile-mid-karmic-use-mer https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Specs/MobileMidKarmicUseMer [11:58] IRC has timestamps... [11:58] use TTS ... [11:58] notes will be good :) [11:59] ? [11:59] enjoy your lunch! [11:59] do we have a headline? [11:59] headline? [11:59] for presentation at CPH [11:59] ie Ubuntu-Mid will be built on Mer [12:00] Stskeeps_: thought you may want a 1-liner [12:00] and agree how to express it :) [12:00] We could certainly do that. I think we have consensus about it, whereas last week it was mostly that Stskeeps_ and I thought it was a good idea. [12:01] *nod* [12:01] it's breaking news now and I think it's exciting [12:01] lbt: think i'll mention it in my presentation [12:01] right.... gotta go... Stskeeps_ will catch you in #Mer in a while [12:01] bye all [12:02] yeah, gotta get back to packing all my equipment for tomorrow [13:27] is this chan for ubuntu unr as well ? === asac_ is now known as asac === Nicke_ is now known as Nicke [15:37] Eric_K, Yes.