[08:10] <persia> StevenK, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/mobile-mid-karmic-images should probably reference https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Specs/MobileMidKarmicImages
[08:10] <StevenK> persia: Fixed.
[08:10] <persia> StevenK, Thanks.
[08:14] <persia> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/mobile-unr-karmic-iso-versus-img
[11:13] <Stskeeps_> comment: we have a goal for 1.0 which is day to day usable on a N8x0, which would be stable enough for use
[11:14] <Stskeeps_> where you don't have to go back to using Maemo
[11:14] <Stskeeps_> we have UI quirks at the moment, a bunch of control panels to be made and such
[11:14] <Stskeeps_> let me just upload a presentation people can glance through that will be presented saturday in copenhagen
[11:15] <Stskeeps_> Mer UI is still hildon
[11:15] <Stskeeps_> just with a new layout and theme :)
[11:15] <Stskeeps_> it's hildon-desktop with lipstick :P
[11:16] <Stskeeps_> we use debootstrap and apt-get really - it's a script that makes the rootfs's dependant on the devices
[11:16] <Stskeeps_> HW and platform is entirely seperate
[11:18] <Stskeeps_> 27 august: maybe :) we hope to put out Mer 1.0 before Fremantle release
[11:18] <Stskeeps_> so people can use it when the new nokia devices come out, as a replacement for N8x0 Disablo
[11:19] <Stskeeps_> not yet
[11:19] <Stskeeps_> beta2 soon though
[11:19] <Stskeeps_> www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/cphnotes.pdf is a presentation i'll be giving on saturday on a danish developer weekend
[11:19] <Stskeeps_> notes on page 19
[11:20] <Stskeeps_> you can get the raw odp if you want :P
[11:20] <Stskeeps_> not sure about videos.
[11:20] <YokoZar> ok
[11:20] <Stskeeps_> our usual guy in maemo.org isn't there to record, and i haven't presented this presentation yet :)
[11:21] <YokoZar> ahh ok
[11:22] <Stskeeps_> what we hope to work with ubuntu is to clean up packages (we have spent some time making diffs from the maemo packaging) and perhaps work together on GTK quirks :P
[11:22] <Stskeeps_> and to gain a shared set of sane packages
[11:24] <Stskeeps_> we aren't exactly packaging experts so there's a need for expertise in cleaning up some things :P
[11:25]  * lbt (as the "Mer build guy") would be happy to talk to anyone about packaging tasks for Mer
[11:26] <YokoZar> Stskeeps_: lbt: feel free to poke us whenever
[11:26] <Stskeeps_> can you repeat that question? :P
[11:27] <lbt> heh
[11:27] <persia> Is the Mer team happy to have their software delivered as "Ubuntu MID"?
[11:27]  * lbt is
[11:28] <Stskeeps_> yes - as long as we are aware it's not a merge of Mer and Ubuntu MID project wise, MID is a variant / seed of the Mer packaging etc, and we hope to work together on packages
[11:29] <Stskeeps_> so it's just another way to bring the Maemo platform to more devices :)
[11:29] <Stskeeps_> but we'd love to cooperate
[11:29] <lbt> that's how I'd understood it (re comment in room)
[11:29] <Stskeeps_> Mer is just making Maemo sane enough to run outside Maemo ;)
[11:29] <lbt> there should be a lot of overlap
[11:30] <Stskeeps_> Maemo GTK is a big one and should be carefully looked into when adopting Hildon. :P
[11:30] <Stskeeps_> because it's the most troublesome problem with adoption
[11:31] <Stskeeps_> are we speaking automated tests or testcases for people to run through?
[11:32] <Stskeeps_> yes, that should be cooperated upon obviously :)
[11:32] <Stskeeps_> we should inherit a lot of quality from hildon testing as well
[11:33] <Stskeeps_> yes, i think there's automated ones
[11:34]  * lbt would also like to mention the build system for the 'agenda'
[11:34] <Stskeeps_> we should definately talk to Maemo Devices and discuss how we can work on this - i'm sure quim gil would be interested :)
[11:34] <lbt> if we're done on testing?
[11:34] <lbt> we use OBS
[11:34] <lbt> which is the Suse system
[11:34] <Stskeeps_> hehe, we use OpenSUSE build service so just a quick overview of how things are structured at the moment
[11:34] <lbt> correct
[11:35] <Stskeeps_> (it can -also- build on ubuntu standard build!)
[11:35] <lbt> so you shouldn't care
[11:35] <lbt> ;
[11:35] <lbt> )
[11:35] <lbt> no... but we have a process
[11:35] <lbt> build+process
[11:35] <Stskeeps_> we will have a presentation in the weekend on OBS as well
[11:35] <lbt> yes
[11:35] <lbt> build also builds the repo
[11:36] <lbt> :Devel->:Testing->:Stable
[11:36] <lbt> and a make-like rebuild
[11:36] <lbt> yes
[11:36] <lbt> we need to review that
[11:37] <Stskeeps_> we do similar but on a smaller timescale :P
[11:37] <lbt> now we end up with things going into :Devel
[11:38] <lbt> and things going into :Testing
[11:38] <Stskeeps_> mer only moves ahead with contributions so cleanup patches, fixing UI quirks, only help to reach the goal :)
[11:38] <lbt> some are new features, some fixes
[11:38] <Stskeeps_> we're getting there but not yet. there's a page on it in the slides i sent
[11:38] <lbt> my concern is we branch
[11:38] <lbt> and we're not setup for that yet
[11:38] <lbt> I expect that :)
[11:39] <lbt> yes.... I am 'concerned' about making sure improvements get back into :Devel
[11:40] <lbt> ( and help get working on OBS )
[11:40] <lbt> and know that we included your patches... yes
[11:40] <Stskeeps_> we'd probably consider you ubuntu developers as any other mer contributors in terms of getting packages up to fashion or UI etc :)
[11:40] <lbt> meh... OBS is just dpkg-buildpkg 
[11:41] <lbt> already on lp
[11:41] <lbt> is there more?
[11:41] <Stskeeps_> lbt: not so much :)
[11:42] <lbt> sure... will review
[11:42] <lbt> you are?
[11:42] <Stskeeps_> you'd probably gain access to mer trees as well to work on it as well :)
[11:42] <persia> So, please do schedule something with me :)
[11:42] <Stskeeps_> since it's a cooperation and we can practically just copy in packages from mer to ubuntu 
[11:43] <lbt> we can make Mer_0.14LT  ;)
[11:43] <Stskeeps_> *nod*
[11:43] <lbt> 8 weeks!!!
[11:44] <lbt> sounds good.... document somewhere and review
[11:46] <Stskeeps_> i'll take a talk with quim gil etc about maemo upstream now that we have ubuntu in the view and get a process going there
[11:46] <Stskeeps_> over one or more beers ;)
[11:46] <lbt> we also have hildon Qt in the mix
[11:46] <Stskeeps_> in the weekend
[11:46] <Stskeeps_> we have it :)
[11:46] <lbt> it's there
[11:47] <Stskeeps_> it's a variant of qt that looks like hildon
[11:47] <Stskeeps_> it's just as much a pain as maemo gtk ;) 
[11:47] <Stskeeps_> http://qt4.garage.maemo.org/
[11:48] <Stskeeps_> in terms of integrating into ubuntu
[11:48] <Stskeeps_> it makes qt apps fit in hildon nicely
[11:48] <Stskeeps_> matchbox wm atm (version 1)
[11:48] <Stskeeps_> oh, keyboard
[11:49] <Stskeeps_> we use hildon input method at the moment but it's getting to be a headache
[11:49] <lbt> we want good solutions.... the earlier the better
[11:49] <Stskeeps_> none of the cool maemo stuff is OSS ;)
[11:49] <Stskeeps_> and i'm personally not a GTK expert
[11:49] <Stskeeps_> so we have a virtual keyboard example
[11:49] <Stskeeps_> and that's it :)
[11:50] <lbt> we need to work on agreeing API/dev stuff 
[11:50] <Stskeeps_> also there's problems with upstream HIM we're working on (only support thumb keyboard)
[11:51] <Stskeeps_> we aren't locked to HIM exclusively at least :)
[11:51] <Stskeeps_> it's just a gtk im
[11:51] <lbt> I don't have a HW keyboard
[11:52] <lbt> N800
[11:52] <lbt> need a virtual keyb... don't care which
[11:52] <Stskeeps_> we need a on screen keyboard, we use Hildon Input Method at the moment
[11:52] <Stskeeps_> the virtual keyboard
[11:53] <Stskeeps_> but it needs improvement to be sane for users in the long term, layouts, etc :)
[11:54] <Stskeeps_> *nod* there is some thought maybe to scrap HIM as the benefit isn't so big at the moment
[11:55]  * lbt is not an expert in the implementation in this area
[11:55] <Stskeeps_> it's just about switching gtk im's so :P
[11:56] <lbt> nope...
[11:56] <lbt> thanks.... look forward to it :)
[11:56] <Stskeeps_> 1pm ;)
[11:56] <lbt> heh... sounds good
[11:57] <Stskeeps_> right - thanks, will this session be stored anywhere?
[11:57] <Stskeeps_> the audio of the session that is :)
[11:58] <Stskeeps_> ah, alright 
[11:58] <YokoZar> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/mobile-mid-karmic-use-mer  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Specs/MobileMidKarmicUseMer
[11:58] <lbt> IRC has timestamps...
[11:58] <lbt> use TTS ...
[11:58] <Stskeeps_> notes will be good :)
[11:59] <lbt> ?
[11:59] <Stskeeps_> enjoy your lunch!
[11:59] <lbt> do we have a headline?
[11:59] <persia> headline?
[11:59] <lbt> for presentation at CPH
[11:59] <lbt> ie Ubuntu-Mid will be built on Mer
[12:00] <lbt> Stskeeps_: thought you may want a 1-liner
[12:00] <lbt> and agree how to express it :)
[12:00] <persia> We could certainly do that.  I think we have consensus about it, whereas last week it was mostly that Stskeeps_ and I thought it was a good idea.
[12:01] <Stskeeps_> *nod*
[12:01] <lbt> it's breaking news now and I think it's exciting
[12:01] <Stskeeps_> lbt: think i'll mention it in my presentation
[12:01] <lbt> right.... gotta go... Stskeeps_ will catch you in #Mer in a while
[12:01] <lbt> bye all
[12:02] <Stskeeps_> yeah, gotta get back to packing all my equipment for tomorrow
[13:27] <Eric_K> is this chan for ubuntu unr as well ?
[15:37] <persia> Eric_K, Yes.