[00:04] <Joelito> Question: How do I know which dependencies need my binary compiled with gcc ot g++?
[00:14] <knome> Joelito, hmm?
[00:15] <Joelito> yeah, I need to know, like in Win32 you can know the DLLs the EXE need
[00:15] <knome> if you are building something from source, building will let you of any missing -dev libraries.
[00:21] <Joelito> I was thinking some line like:
[00:21] <Joelito> gcc a.out -depen
[00:21] <Joelito> and then enumarate the libraries need
[00:23] <knome> uh...
[00:23] <knome> i don't know if you can check that against one file.
[00:24] <Joelito> oh
[00:25] <knome> there might be some command to check which libraries you will need in order to build a source package from the ubuntu repos
[00:25] <Joelito> ah :)
[00:25] <knome> or actually, i know there is one, but i can't check it atm.
[00:25] <knome> maybe something like apt-get source [pckgname] -depends or sth.
[00:27] <zoredache> Joelito: you already have the binary?
[00:27] <Joelito> yes
[00:27] <zoredache> try 'ldd filename'
[00:28] <zoredache> for example 'ldd /bin/bash' will tell you what libraries bash uses.
[00:28] <zoredache> you need more then that, because some libraries depend on other libraries
[00:28] <zoredache> but that should give you a starting point
[00:29] <Joelito> but, since is for debian-ubuntu env. should be enough :)
[00:30] <Joelito> thanks, seems that is what I needed, zoredache
[00:32] <DetroitLiberty> who thinks they know enough about setting up wireless routers that they can help me?
[00:32] <knome> !ask | DetroitLiberty
[00:32] <knome> especially the last sentence.
[00:33] <DetroitLiberty> because that hasn't worked for days, and Googling gets me lost in 500 forums that go no where and everytime I ask I am patienct so long that I never get a response
[00:33] <zoredache> perhaps you are asking the wrong question
[00:34] <DetroitLiberty> that certianly is possible
[00:34] <DetroitLiberty> but I think if I knew the right question to ask I wouldn't need help
[00:36] <zoredache> anyway, you aren't going to get any useful help until you ask a question
[00:55] <sml1226> Has anybody successfully installed globalmenu on 9.04?
[00:56] <sml1226> I get an error saying that gnome-applet-globalmenu is required but not installable when trying to add it. Is there a fix or is it still not working for 9.04?
[00:56] <knome> have you checked for broken dependencies/packages?
[00:58] <sml1226> I used the instructions given through google code and added repos and keys and tried all kinds of other fixes posted around with no success
[00:58] <knome> hmm
[00:59] <knome> so it's not a package from official ubuntu repos?
[00:59] <sml1226> I can not use the deb package that is available
[00:59] <knome> may i ask why?
[01:00] <sml1226> I have a PS3 which is PPC so no 32/64-bit cpu so I have no deb available
[01:00] <knome> rrright.
[01:01] <sml1226> I've seen it working on 8.10 or 7.10 I can't remember which just no success on 9.04
[01:01] <knome> from the jaunty release notes:
[01:01] <knome> For PowerPC & PS3 Users
[01:02] <knome> For community discussion and support please see #ubuntu-powerpc, #ubuntu-ps3, or #ubuntu-ports on FreeNode.
[01:02] <knome> i don't mean you could not ask here, but that's most possibly the best place to ask.
[01:02] <knome> also, remember that those ports are not officially supported
[01:03] <sml1226> I know that just wondering if anybody had heard of this
[01:03] <knome> yeah. not heard.
[01:03] <knome> packages or sources from non-official repos may always be a bit... mmm.. kinky.
[01:03] <sml1226> I tried compiling but I got multiple errors and could not get around it
[01:03] <knome> which kind of errors?
[01:04] <sml1226> Something about missing files and missing dirs in the source I downloaded
[01:05] <knome> hmm...
[01:05] <knome> could you pastebin it?
[01:05] <knome> it might help solving the problem even if could not do it.
[01:05] <sml1226> I don't know much about compiling so that may be the problem
[01:05] <sml1226> I'll add it
[01:06] <knome> i know basics and i mostly can build my packages, but i'm no expert :)
[01:06] <knome> *my packages == my apps from sources
[01:07] <sml1226> Ok I have no clue how to compile really so this is following someone elses instructions
[01:08] <knome> compiling in a nutshell: 1) ./configure 2) make 3) sudo make install
[01:09] <sml1226> ok good thats what I tried
[01:09] <sml1226> http://paste.ubuntu.com/182429/
[01:09] <sml1226> there it is
[01:09] <knome> basically you need the -dev package for libgnome-menu
[01:09] <sml1226> it is different message from last time for some reason
[01:10] <knome> suppose that is libgnome-menu-dev
[01:10] <knome> (if you can get it from the repos)
[01:10] <sml1226> last time it was about gtk+
[01:11] <sml1226> ok it is in the repos
[01:11] <knome> install it and try ./configure again
[01:13] <sml1226> error again  http://paste.ubuntu.com/182431/
[01:14] <knome> hmm
[01:14] <knome> libpanelapplet-2.0-dev and libnotify-dev? ;)
[01:14] <knome> or ./configure --without-gnome-panel
[01:14] <knome> but i don't know where that leads.
[01:14] <knome> that might not be bad at all, but i don't really know.
[01:15] <sml1226> could that possibly be because it is xfce and not gnome?
[01:15] <knome> yes, xfce will not install gnome panel by default
[01:15] <knome> but i don't know how the app you are installing will work without gnome panel. possibly will *work*, as this option is given
[01:16] <sml1226> there is an xfce folder so it has something for xfce but not sure what to do
[01:16] <knome> just try ./configure --without-gnome-panel
[01:16] <knome> and see what happens. :)
[01:17] <sml1226> trying now
[01:18] <sml1226> it worked said something about makefile so used make and it is working now
[01:18] <knome> okay. :)
[01:18] <knome> good to hear
[01:18] <sml1226> sudo make install after this?
[01:18] <knome> yes, it will copy the built stuff to your directories and you can run the app normally
[01:19] <knome> after the command, you can delete the folder you were building in, if you want.
[01:22] <sml1226> looks done but I have to log out according to some sites to get it to work I'll be back to confirm or get more help if it didn't :)
[01:31] <sml1226> knome: it didn't work or at least I can't find it
[01:31] <knome> sml1226, hmm, you might need to use a command to launch it.
[01:32] <knome> i'll be back in five
[01:32] <sml1226> knome, well when you do it properly it is supposed to add the applet to the panel menu
[01:33] <sml1226> anybody know the command to get gnome panel? through apt-get
[01:33] <knome> hmm.
[01:34] <knome> sudo apt-get install gnome-panel ?
[01:34] <knome> (i'm not sure about the package name)
[01:34] <knome> so it is a panel *applet*
[01:34] <knome> you have to add the panel applet plugin for running gnome applets
[01:34] <knome> let my try to think what its name was
[01:34] <sml1226> I tried that and it said latest version so apparently I do have it
[01:35] <sml1226> yes it is an applet
[01:35] <sml1226> I forgot about that
[01:35] <knome> add XfApplet to Xfce panel
[01:35] <knome> then choose the applet you just installed :)
[01:35] <sml1226> how do I do that?
[01:36] <knome> right-click panel -> add item
[01:36] <knome> and select xfapplet from the list
[01:36] <knome> then you should be given a dialog which asks you which gnome applet you want to see
[01:36] <knome> something like http://bapoumba.wordpress.com/2008/01/04/add-gnome-applets-to-the-xfce-panel/
[01:36] <sml1226> where do I get xfapplet is what I meant
[01:37] <knome> oh, isn't it installed?
[01:37] <sml1226> not in my add new items menu
[01:37] <knome> sudo apt-get install xfce4-xfapplet-plugin
[01:37] <knome> does that work? :)
[01:38] <sml1226> yeah its working
[01:38] <knome> ok, so did you get the applet in your panel?
[01:38] <sml1226> I need to see if the global menu works though
[01:38] <knome> okay
[01:38] <knome> no problem
[01:41] <sml1226> its not in the list so is there a way to add them that I'm not seeing?
[01:42] <knome> it should be on the list...
[01:42] <knome> hmm
[01:43] <knome> so you got no error messages after getting through ./configure?
[01:43] <sml1226> when compiling I shouldn't have to go into the applet folder and do that too should I?
[01:44] <knome> not sure.
[01:44] <sml1226> no errors I saw it said int makefile or something at the end
[01:44] <knome> maybe, if there was a dir for xfce panel applet also
[01:44] <knome> i don't know the package, so i wouldn't know
[01:45] <sml1226> there is a folder called xfce but not sure what that is supposed to be exactly
[01:45] <knome> what files are there?
[01:45] <knome> is there a Makefile or configure or...
[01:45] <knome> something like that
[01:46] <sml1226> there is a makefile in there now that I did all this before there was not make added it in there
[01:46] <knome> try to run make in that directory
[01:46] <knome> and see what happens
[01:46] <knome> and if it really does something, run sudo make install
[01:47] <sml1226> nothing to be done
[01:47] <sml1226> ???
[01:49] <knome> ok..
[01:49] <knome> maybe try rebooting.
[01:50] <knome> the only thing i can think of now.
[02:05] <sml1226> knome, still no success
[02:05] <sml1226> I can't find the actual applet
[02:06] <knome> :(
[02:06] <knome> sorry, i'm out of ideas
[02:07] <sml1226> in the local folder I found a readme for xfce
[02:08] <sml1226>  it says http://paste.ubuntu.com/182457/
[02:08] <sml1226> something about adding a file and it will work
[02:08] <knome> yeah
[02:09] <sml1226> all of the globalmenu folders are almost empty
[02:09] <knome> so it works, or what?
[02:09] <sml1226> NO I don't get how an install can happen and the files not be there ;(
[02:09] <sml1226> :'(
[02:09] <knome> i'm not sure which files you are missing.
[02:10] <knome> just create the file as the doc suggested
[02:10] <sml1226> I have never successfully installed so neither am I
[02:10] <knome> /home/yourusername/.config/xfce4/xinitrc
[02:10] <knome> and add the lines told in the doc into it
[02:10] <knome> and then logout and in
[02:12] <sml1226> i found my xinitrc and that is exactly what it already says so I don't know what to do
[02:13] <knome> maybe you could try asking the #ubuntu-p3 -channel and wait
[02:13] <knome> or post in the forums
[02:14] <knome> or add a question in launchpad answers
[02:14] <sml1226> don't know, I'll keep trying and see what happens
[02:14] <knome> yeah
[02:14] <knome> good luck.
[02:17] <sml1226> does this make sense to you?
[02:17] <sml1226> Install a pre-built binary package Ubuntu: Install from our PPA repository Fedora: Download the latest RPM Not lucky? You can always make install Add Global Menu Panel Applet (or an equivalent name in you language) to the top panel Right click on applet and choose Enable Global Menu (or an equivalent name in your language)
[02:17] <sml1226> starting atAdd Global
[02:18] <knome> yes, ppa makes sense if they carry the powerpc builds
[02:19] <sml1226> I mean what is it saying about Add Global Menu Panel Applet to the top panel
[02:20] <knome> via xfapplet you should be able to add the applet in the xfce panel
[02:20] <knome> i think those instructions only apply for gnome panel.
[02:20] <knome> and you did not build with gnome panel.
[02:21] <sml1226> I can see if it will open through gnome panel but seeing as how it won't open through the xfapplet menu I dno't see that working either
[02:22] <knome> you are correct. but you can always try
[02:26] <sml1226> no success through gnome panel
[02:26] <knome> right
[02:26] <knome> then you might try to compile *with* gnome panel
[02:27] <knome> libpanelapplet-2.0-dev and libnotify-dev were the packages i suppose you should install
[02:27] <knome> then do again starting from ./configure
[02:29] <sml1226> libpanel was not found
[02:30] <Ironicus> I need an advice
[02:30] <Ironicus> hmm
[02:30] <knome> sml1226, hmm, apt-cache serach libpanel
[02:30] <knome> *search
[02:30] <knome> !ask | Ironicus
[02:30] <Ironicus> I recently installed xubuntu to have more performance form my old laptop
[02:31] <Ironicus> but it is really slowier than xp
[02:31] <Ironicus> is it normal?
[02:31] <knome> xp is older than xubuntu jaunty/intrepid
[02:31] <Ironicus> I can't run program that I was running on xp
[02:31] <knome> what kind of hardware specs do you have?
[02:31] <Ironicus> I have a travelmate 240
[02:32] <Ironicus> 2.2 celeron and 240 ram
[02:32] <knome> mmh, 240 is a *bit* little.
[02:32] <Ironicus> It take 20 second to swtich form terminal to xChat
[02:32] <Ironicus> yes
[02:32] <knome> with an older version of xubuntu, you should be ok.
[02:32] <Ironicus> But, when my computer lag it's not the ram
[02:32] <sml1226> I have a 600mhz celeron and 386MB ram and mine runs fine
[02:33] <Ironicus> cpu bar is always maxed and ram 7/8
[02:33] <Ironicus> it take 5 sec to reduce a window
[02:33] <knome> Ironicus, can you look from top what is eating the cpu?
[02:33] <Ironicus> Where I can see that?
[02:34] <sml1226> my cpu is hardly ever maxed and you have almost 4x the speed so what are you running?
[02:34] <Ironicus> nothing special
[02:34] <knome> Ironicus, run 'top' from terminal
[02:34] <Ironicus> At the moment, I have xChat, firefox and terminal opened
[02:34] <knome> Ironicus, that is a lot for 240MB ram.
[02:35] <knome> Ironicus, you might want to switch firefox to some lighter alternative, eg. epiphany
[02:35] <knome> Ironicus, also xchat is a tad heavy.
[02:35] <sml1226> I start crapping out on my ps3 with terminal and firefox, and I have 2 3ghz cores running with 220mb ram
[02:35] <Ironicus> lol, I had a pentium 1 90Mhz running Diablo1, internet explorer and mIRC at the same time
[02:36] <Ironicus> with less then 56 Ram
[02:36] <Ironicus> those processus do not take 50ram each
[02:36] <Ironicus> As I said, I don'T have the opportunity to max my ram since my cpu always lag
[02:37] <sml1226> ram will halp your cpu prob
[02:37] <knome> Ironicus, as i said, xubuntu 9.04 is a lot newer os than windows XP. you have to remind that when considering speed issues/differnces.
[02:37] <sml1226> help*
[02:37] <sml1226> disable ANY eye candy to gain some speed
[02:38] <sml1226> you have swap?
[02:39] <Ironicus> yes
[02:39] <Ironicus> 4 Go lol
[02:39] <Ironicus> With the command "top" i saw root taking 70
[02:39] <sml1226> ok that should be helping a little bit.
[02:39] <Ironicus> 70% to open calculator
[02:39] <knome> Ironicus, which process?
[02:40] <Ironicus> Xorg, is it possible?
[02:40] <Ironicus> I though xubuntu was lighter than xp
[02:40] <sml1226> I have not used anything newer than 8.04 on my celeron and it runs really smooth Just get 8.04.1 and be happy with the speed boost
[02:41] <Ironicus> guess I will get xp back
[02:41] <sml1226> stay with an older version to save power
[02:41] <Ironicus> Ill buy a new laptop this summer and install ubuntu on it
[02:41] <sml1226> processing power, not battery just to clarify
[02:41] <Ironicus> and get my xp back to this one
[02:42] <knome> Ironicus, as i said, use an older version of xubuntu to get same performance as xp.
[02:42] <Ironicus> I readed in xubuntu description that this distribution was designed for computer under 256 RAM who can'tuse ubuntu
[02:42] <knome> Ironicus, where did you read that, if i may ask?
[02:44] <Ironicus> "but it is strongly recommended to have at least 256 MB RAM. "
[02:44] <Ironicus> Guess my reference was bad
[02:45] <Ironicus> but I think that I have something setted uncorrectly
[02:46] <knome> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SystemRequirements is the official source as well as http://xubuntu.org/get
[02:46] <knome> if you have any other sources saying something different, please link me to them :)
[02:46] <knome> you should try minimal cd
[02:46] <knome> !minimal | Ironicus
[02:47] <knome> with minimal cd, you can choose which packages you want to install
[02:49] <sml1226> knome, I restarted and it was in the applet menu
[02:50] <sml1226> problem is that i get an error when trying to add it
[02:50] <sml1226> here is the error message
[02:50] <knome> sml1226, ok :)
[02:50] <sml1226> The panel encountered a problem while loading "OAFIID:GlobalMenu_PanelApplet".
[02:50] <knome> right....
[02:51] <knome> that sounds like a worse error
[02:51] <sml1226> does OAFIID mean anything to you?
[02:51] <knome> nope.
[02:51] <sml1226> well dang
[02:52] <knome> there seems to be some threads in the forums if you search with oafiid.
[02:52] <sml1226> how do I get rid of gnome panel now that I am going back to xfce panel?
[02:52] <sml1226> it won't let me delete all panels
[02:53] <knome> uhm...
[02:53] <knome> kill the process.
[02:53] <knome> 'ps -A | grep panel' in terminal
[02:53] <knome> just a moment, be back in 2 mins.
[02:55] <sml1226> I get a message with some numbers and then gnome panel, more numbers and xfce panel
[02:56] <sml1226> NM i fixed it
[02:56] <sml1226> gnome-panel --replace worked
[03:02] <knome> ok
[03:03] <sml1226> I tried apt-get again, still same result.  Dependencies not met:  depends on gnome-applet-globalmenu but it is not installable
[03:04] <omnipotent999> Is there a way to prevent the mouse from changing workspaces when you get to the edge of the screen? The "Wrap workspaces depending on the actual desktop layout" option is not selected.
[03:05] <sml1226> mine only changes if I am dragging a window?
[03:05] <knome> i can confirm what sml1226 said.
[03:06] <sml1226> I have never had it move without me holding something, it just stops at the edge
[03:07] <omnipotent999> Not mine, it will always follow the layout that I have set for the workspaces. None of the settings, in the settings manager anyway, have any effect. It's getting rather annoying when I try to play games.
[03:08] <knome> omnipotent999, humm, which xubuntu version?
[03:08] <omnipotent999> 9.04, fully updated.
[03:08] <knome> okay. hmm.
[03:09] <knome> this is a bug in xfce 4.6, if it is a bug.
[03:09] <knome> do you mind filing a bug?
[03:09] <omnipotent999> I can file a bug.
[03:10] <knome> i can ask an xfce developer to look at it tomorrow / in a few hours.
[03:11] <omnipotent999> Great. Thanks
[03:13] <ElectricHeavyLan> Does anyone know how to check to see if your machine has the ICU library (International Components for Unicode) installed? I need it before I build Rakudo. My guess would be the 'libicu38' package.
[03:14] <ElectricHeavyLan> Sorry if this is the wrong channel to ask this type of question in.
[03:14] <knome> ElectricHeavyLan, when you are building, you should get an error if it's not installed
[03:14] <knome> ElectricHeavyLan, however, when building, you need the -dev packages
[03:15] <ElectricHeavyLan> the -dev packages....yeah, i see those as well.
[03:15] <ElectricHeavyLan> thanks.
[03:15] <knome> np.
[03:33] <knome> omnipotent999, btw, tell me the bug # so it's easier to find it ;)
[03:35] <omnipotent999> Since you don't have super powers, the bug number is 381155. I think I filed that correctly. :)
[03:36] <knome> well, i could have searched for "xfce mouse"
[03:37] <knome> looks ok. :)
[03:48] <svensko> how does one access shared folders in thunar?
[03:52] <Tasbuntu> Hello people, I have a friend trying to install Xubuntu on his laptop
[03:53] <Tasbuntu> Is the GParted partitioning program included in Xubuntu, or is it removed, unlike Ubuntu's?
[03:54] <knome> Tasbuntu, it can be installed in xubuntu
[03:54] <knome> svensko, which shared folders?
[03:54] <Tasbuntu> Yes, but this person is working with a laptop that has Windows on it
[03:54] <knome> Tasbuntu, what's the problem?
[03:55] <svensko> i have a shared folder on my laptop and i was curious as to how to access it from another laptop
[03:55] <knome> !nfs
[03:55] <svensko> i've established the folder as being shared, and gave permission to this laptop to access it
[03:55] <svensko> ah, ty
[03:55] <knome> np.
[03:55] <Tasbuntu> He wants to set up a dual boot, and Ubuntu has a natural partitioner in its Live CD for the installation process. I don't see why this would be different in Xubuntu, but he insists that it isn't there
[03:56] <knome> Tasbuntu, i'm not sure if there is gparted, but there is at least some kind of partitioner
[03:56] <Tasbuntu> Yeah, that's fine
[03:56] <knome> i haven't looked at the live cd in a long time so i don't know what really is there and what not
[03:56] <Tasbuntu> It's giving him errors though, but of course I know why THAT is. He keeps trying to install it on an NTFS formatted partition. I'm trying to explain this to him but he wont listen =/
[03:56] <Tasbuntu> Thank's for your help, guys.
[03:57] <knome> oh, ntfs won't work very well with *buntu*
[03:57] <knome> just use ext3
[03:57] <knome> ;)
[03:58] <knome> i think fat would work as well, but ext3 comes with many benefits over it, so there no real reason to use fat
[03:58] <knome> he can't access the drive easily from windows anyway
[03:58] <Tasbuntu> I was actually under the assumption that NTFS/Fat wouldn't work with Ubuntu AT ALL.
[03:59] <Tasbuntu> Oh, allright
[03:59] <knome> fat will work with no problem and you can at least read ntfs relatively safe, but writing to it is still quite unstable, if i'm right.
[03:59] <Tasbuntu> I understand now
[03:59] <Tasbuntu> He says that the partitioner doesn't let him choose what partition he wants to install on
[04:00] <knome> right... which partitioner is he using then?
[04:00] <Tasbuntu> Basically it seems to be happening like this: He gets to the part right before that partitioner, and when he clicks next, it skips the partitioner and tries to install, then gives him an error
[04:00] <knome> xubuntu will be installed on the partition he mounts to "/"
[04:00] <Tasbuntu> He's using the natural Xubuntu partitioner(Or rather not using it)
[04:00] <Tasbuntu> Yes, but he's not getting the option to mount, format, or divide anything
[04:00] <knome> does he get an option to do manual partitioning?
[04:01] <knome> i think in the installation there is such option
[04:01] <Tasbuntu> Yes, where he installs it to a premade partition
[04:01] <Tasbuntu> I think it is
[04:02] <knome> okay.. and the installer doesn't work even if he selects the correct partition and does at least a mount to / ?
[04:02] <Tasbuntu> Apparently he isn't getting a manual partition option
[04:02] <Tasbuntu> It litterally skips that step of the partitioner
[04:03] <Tasbuntu> er, installer
[04:03] <knome> err...
[04:03] <knome> sounds like a bug if that really happens
[04:03] <Tasbuntu> Yeah =/
[04:04] <Tasbuntu> I wouldn't really know, since I use ubuntu normally. I have zero Xubuntu experience.
[04:04] <knome> the installer doesn't differ a lot afaik
[04:05] <Tasbuntu> I didn't think it would
[04:06] <lsemple> do you need to port forward to get file transfering working in IRC ? (xchat) ??
[04:07] <knome> lsemple, you have to have ports open in your firewall if you have one.
[05:19] <smurfy> hmmz, anyone in here have probs with 9.04 not booting for shit!
[05:21] <durt> smurfy, can you be more specific?
[05:26] <Devilsprey99> my volume controller tray icon doesnot show neither it opens what shall i do
[05:26] <Devilsprey99> i m using xubuntu intrepid
[05:28] <Devilsprey99> anyone with some help plz
[05:28] <durt> Devilsprey99, how do you try to open it if it's not there?
[05:31] <Devilsprey99> I was tryin to add to the panel
[05:32] <durt> so adding xfce-mixer did not work, what happened?
[05:32] <Devilsprey99> that is what happened i need my volume manager
[05:33] <Devilsprey99> how do i work with that
[05:33] <durt> uh 'volume manager' is for managing disk volumes, the applet is called 'mixer'
[05:35] <Devilsprey99> volume control one
[05:35] <Devilsprey99> i didnot find mixer
[05:35] <Devilsprey99> i have some installed application did it impact??
[05:36] <durt> we are talking about sound, right?
[05:36] <Devilsprey99> yep
[05:37] <durt> hmmm, try (in a terminal) 'sudo apt-get install xfce-mixer' , I think that's the package name.
[05:38] <svensko> for some reason listen will not load my MP3s, i tried adding codecs and still nothing comes up... anyone have any ideas/
[05:39] <durt> Devilsprey99, um sorry, it's xfce4-mixer.
[05:39] <Devilsprey99> error: couldnt find package
[05:39] <durt> yup
[05:43] <Devilsprey99> i already have the latest version
[05:43] <smurfy> sup durt
[05:43] <smurfy> sorry i was away, slaming food in my face
[05:44] <smurfy> just botts into the window manager about it
[05:44] <durt> wha?
[05:44] <smurfy> first boot, when its lookin for drivers
[05:44] <smurfy> it hangs
[05:44] <smurfy> im like wtf this isnt windows
[05:45] <smurfy> lol
[05:45] <smurfy> i think its my video card
[05:45] <durt> hmm, guess Devilsprey99 got his sound working
[05:45] <smurfy> any ideas durt?
[05:45] <smurfy> its really fustarting
[05:48] <durt> hmm, put 'nosplash', and I think 'noquiet' on the boot command line to see when the boot procedure hangs
[05:48] <smurfy> that is what i was thinking
[05:49] <durt> no nned for pm we're the only active folks
[05:49] <durt> *need
[05:50] <smurfy> brb
[05:50] <durt> hrmmm, that's nice
[05:53] <svensko> for some reason listen will not load my MP3s, i tried adding codecs and still nothing comes up... anyone have any ideas?
[05:53] <svensko> yeah, smurfy seemed like a classy guy
[05:54] <durt> svensko, never used listen, but there might be a config you need to point to where the mp3 lib (lame?) is.
[05:54] <svensko> good idea! :)
[05:54] <durt> *config file
[06:12] <svensko> woohoo, i did sudo apt-get autoremove and now my sounds broken
[06:12] <svensko> linux quality :P
[06:17] <durt> svensko, hardware? also did you change anything with alsa?
[06:19] <svensko> it's a first edition acer aspire one
[06:19] <svensko> i uninstalled listen, installed audacious, didn't like it, uninstalled audacious, did autoremove, then installed amarok
[06:19] <svensko> guess i chose the wrong time to autoremove
[06:20] <durt> svensko, autoremove should _not_ touch low level system packages like alsa, do you get sound with any other apps?
[06:22] <svensko> well i clicked on mixer and got this error: GStreamer was unable to detect any sound devices. Some sound system specific GStreamer packages may be missing. It may also be a permissions problem.
[06:26] <rags> I need to load a different ethrnet driver for my card other then the one ubuntu detects automatically...I added it in /etc/modules and blacklisted the one I don't want. But when I reboot both show up. what am I doing wrong?
[06:28] <durt> Not a fan of Gstreamer, but they (the packages) don't take up that much space, so open up synaptic and search for gstreamer and install what you think might be necessary.
[06:31] <durt> rags, off the top of my head I'd say go back to the blacklist file and carefully look for syntax issues
[06:32] <rags> durt: all right...but not much of syntax there...but I'll check
[06:33] <durt> rags, just a nice way of saying check your spelling
[06:33] <durt> : )
[06:34] <rags> durt: When I do a rmmod and modprobe the system hangs...
[06:34] <durt> what module are you removing?
[06:40] <rags> it's the driver for my ethernet card...
[06:41] <rags> ubutnu autodetects and loads the "tulip" drivers...
[06:42] <rags> but the nic didn't work...so I searched online and found tht it is a bug...I need to load another module(or force load?)
[06:42] <rags> now when I do modprobe the entire system hangs..
[06:49] <rags> I cheked lshw and the ethernet card is labeled as "unclaimed". How to load the drivers now?
[06:57] <durt> rags, getting out of my league here, is this an expensive piece of hardware? That is compared to a linux friendly pci or pcmcia card that can be purchased for ~$10 in N.A. Or is this a geek challenge, in which case I'll gladly get the google-fu into high gear! We can solve this.
[06:59] <rags> durt: It's a shity old lan card..the size of my hand..:)..but wht bothers me is tht it works on XP. but just refuses to
[06:59] <rags> work on ubuntu
[07:00] <durt> brand name? product code?
[07:01] <rags> I'll tell you wht info I have...it's a DECchip 21041 [Tulip Pass 3] chipset card
[07:02] <durt> it could be proprietary code in the main logic IC on the card that can't, due to legal reasons, be divulged to opensource licencing
[07:02] <rags> I googled and found tht there is a bug with this card...the kernel loads the wrong cards...
[07:02] <durt> ok let me search....
[07:03] <rags> yea...it's listed here...
[07:03] <rags> http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Ethernet-HOWTO-4.html#ss4.18
[07:04] <rags> I have to load the module de4x5 aparently...when I tried rmmod and modprobe..the system just hang...this happened twise
[07:05] <rags> can you chek this page as well..http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-bugs-closed@lists.debian.org/msg82672.html
[07:05] <durt> sure, sounds like you know what you're doing, a bug report?
[07:06] <rags> yes..filed in 2006!....
[07:07] <durt> XD
[07:08] <rags> and it get's interesting...I opened the blacklist file and I found the "de4x5" module blacklisted!....The comment says "Replaced by Tulip"
[11:21] <THE_MAN> I just started using linux like 2 weeks ago
[11:21] <THE_MAN> Xubuntu is great
[11:22] <THE_MAN> Should i try ubuntu also?
[12:17] <MikeChelen> its pretty much the same, what are you system specs?
[12:23] <Myrtti> MikeChelen: you missed him
[12:24] <MikeChelen> d'oh
[15:26] <frenzy421> i'm having wifi problems how do i reinstall wifi drivers
[15:42] <smurfy> anyone alive
[15:42] <Slonkie> maybe
[15:43] <smurfy> i see it isnt just me that has probs with 9.04 booting
[15:47] <smurfy> ugh, something in the new kerenel
[15:47] <smurfy> causes it to hang like a mofo
[16:34] <ddpt> Hello, i was wondering if someone can help me
[16:37] <ddpt> If someone is available please pm me, thank you :)
[16:39] <Slonkie> !question | ddpt
[16:40] <ddpt> oh ok, sorry
[16:43] <ddpt> I have an ancient laptop that my parents use for internet browsing, that has 256 ram, 700 MHZ and is currently dragging with Windows XP SP3 - i'm downloading latest release of Xubuntu and plan to install it instead of windows. Will the performance improve in terms of not taking ages to start or opening an application?
[16:46] <knome> ddpt, i suggest an older version of xubuntu, or the minimal installation and install for example lxde
[16:46] <knome> !minimal | ddpt
[16:46] <knome> !lxde | ddpt
[16:46] <knome> meh
[16:53] <ddpt> The laptop uses wireless internet, will that be a problem with that minimal installation? I mean, i want to erase windows and replace it with Ubuntu or Xubuntu, isn't there the risk of deleting windows and breaking the internet connection while downloading with the minimal cd install? Sorry, never installed an OS before :(
[16:56] <knome> depends on the wifi card, if it's supported or not.
[16:56] <knome> you can check that with the live cd
[17:01] <ddpt> ok, i'll read a bit more about it, thanks!
[17:09] <Hisha1> a
[17:12] <knome> b
[17:13] <Myrtti> knome: :-/
[17:13] <knome> Myrtti, ?:)
[17:14] <TheSheep> Hisha1: yes, we can see you :)
[17:14] <knome> oh hai TheSheep
[17:14] <TheSheep> hi there
[17:15] <Hisha1> TheSheep: Hello
[17:16] <Hisha1> How to change my Clock time?
[17:17] <TheSheep> applications->system->date and time
[17:17] <TheSheep> 'time and date', sorry
[17:18] <TheSheep> then click on 'unlock', give your password, and you can change it
[17:19] <Hisha1> TheSheep: Got it thanks
[19:38] <__algol__> Hi! does anyone know if there is an installation method to install xubuntu without booting a pc?
[19:38] <__algol__> I would like to install xubuntu into a secund disk while my pc is running, without booting the liveCD. This secund disk is for an other pc.
[19:39] <charlie-tca> !unetboot
[19:39] <charlie-tca> !install
[19:49] <slow-motion> hi
[19:52] <__algol__> hmmm, that doesn't solve my problem...
[19:52] <__algol__> thanks anyway
[19:53] <__algol__> I wanted to install without booting!
[19:54] <TheSheep> __algol__: you can install in a virtual machine
[19:54] <SiDi> __algol__, the problem is that you need to install the pc's drivers on the HDD
[19:54] <SiDi> not only the packages
[19:55] <cody-somerville> SiDi, what do you mean by that?
[19:55] <__algol__> I just install the whole system on other disk, with the pc running and no rebooting
[19:55] <SiDi> __algol__, but if the disk is for another PC, which doesnt have similar hardware, you may be missing drivers
[19:56] <SiDi> cody-somerville, by what ? :p
[19:56] <cody-somerville> SiDi, Thats not true.
[19:56] <cody-somerville> SiDi, Ubuntu doesn't selectively install drivers
[19:56] <SiDi> oh ?
[19:56] <SiDi> not even wifi ones ?
[19:56] <__algol__> SiDi, I understand that, but I could choose them later...
[19:57] <__algol__> hmmm, ok, then it can be done :)
[19:57] <cody-somerville> SiDi, If you're talking about restricted ones, it'll prompt the user to install them when it detects the hardware.
[19:58] <SiDi> __algol__, then i think you could get an 1gb partition on that second disk, use the usb install method's manual instructions to turn it into a bootable install HDD, and then install grub on the MBR of this HDD. Then boot it and install from there.
[19:58] <SiDi> cody-somerville, ok, i didnt know that ;p
[19:58] <__algol__> is the liveCD root tree equal to the one in an installed systme?
[19:58] <cody-somerville> No
[19:58] <cody-somerville> but close
[19:59]  * cody-somerville goes to get some food, ttyl
[19:59] <__algol__> what's the difference?
[20:01] <__algol__> SiDi: well, that way I would reboot... I just what to make a plain new system in the secund disk without booting...
[20:03] <SiDi> __algol__, well, you should manually do what the installer does then :/ and i dont know what it does.
[20:05] <SiDi> maybe #ubuntu-installer people can help
[20:05] <__algol__> but do you know what scipt is it?
[20:05] <__algol__> no one talks there?
[20:07] <__algol__> I've have asked this there and got no anwser...
[20:09] <charlie-tca> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromLinux should tell how to do it
[20:14] <__algol__> charlie-tca: That's it!!!!! in the "Without CD" section! thanks a lot!
[20:14] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[20:17] <__algol__> well but in step 3, is there any update for the last ubuntu release?
[20:18] <__algol__> like: sudo debootstrap jauty /mnt/installer ?
[20:18] <charlie-tca> I don't know. I have never used that
[20:18] <charlie-tca> Jaunty installer should be up to date
[20:20] <__algol__> ...and in step 8, is there any alternative to install xubuntu?
[20:22] <charlie-tca> change it to xubuntu-desktop?
[20:23] <charlie-tca> I have not done this. You will need to try things to see if they work, I guess
[20:26] <charlie-tca> don't install ubuntu-standard. Just leave that out
[20:28] <__algol__> you say: try xubuntu-desktop and leave ubuntu-standard, right?
[20:28] <charlie-tca> Do not include ubuntu-standard
[20:28] <charlie-tca> apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[20:28] <charlie-tca> for step 8
[20:30] <__algol__> there's no xubuntu equivalent to ubuntu-standard, then...
[20:31] <charlie-tca> not to my knowledge
[20:32] <charlie-tca> Those are meta-packages. If you have xubuntu installed, you can look in Synaptic Package Manger and find them.
[20:32] <__algol__> ok, thanks
[20:33] <__algol__> will try that... tomorrow :)
[20:33] <charlie-tca> Good luck
[20:34] <__algol__> it's great because there is an ebuild for debootstrap!
[20:34] <__algol__> I can do it from my gentoo...
[20:59] <Schwag> i was wondering guys, i just installed my nvidia drivers, but everytime i restart i have to reinstall them, but they function perfectly everytime i reinstall, and i always save the x config, it just never uses it after i restart, what gives? and i cant use the nv restricted drivers wither, then my secondary monitor doesnt work, and none of my opengl apps work then either
[21:10] <Schwag> anyone know why i have to reinstall the drivers everytime i restart?
[21:15] <_Pete_> what drivers?
[21:17] <jarnos> Something is wrong with Xubuntu 9.04 startup, at least ~/.xsession-errors looks bad: http://pastebin.ca/1438404
[21:18] <Schwag> my nvidia drivers, i have to reinstall them everytime i restart my computer, then i always use nvidia-settings to set the card up, and it works great, till i restart then i have to do it all again
[21:19] <Schwag> and yes i save the xorg.conf file though nvidia-settings EVERYTIME i set the card up, but it never works after i restart, it always goes back to the failsafe
[21:20] <Schwag> then i have to sudo killall gdm
[21:20] <Schwag> reinstall the drivers
[21:20] <Schwag> and then sudo gdm again to use the drivers, then everything works fine, all my games, everything, till i restart lol
[21:20] <Schwag> its kinda getting stupid
[21:21] <_Pete_> strange
[21:23] <Schwag> yeah tell me about it, i never had this problem before with any distro ive installed, until this one
[21:23] <Schwag> its the gOS one you know ubuntu with enlightenment etc
[21:24] <Schwag> i had xubuntu 8.04 up until yesterday, and i had no problems with it whatsorever, especially not ones having to do with nvidia card
[21:24] <_Pete_> I remember I had similar problems when used manually installed drivers
[21:25] <_Pete_> dont remember anymore how did solve it
[21:25] <_Pete_> but nowadays use drivers from packet manager and works fine
[21:25] <Schwag> well i tried the restricted hardware drivers to, whihc gives me a good resolution, but open-gl doesnt work, nor does compiz
[21:26] <Schwag> and several of the ones out of synaptic, and nothing has worked other than the ones off nvidias site
[21:26] <Schwag> i just have to reinstall everytime i restart x.X
[21:26] <Schwag> i guess i just wont be restarting very often
[21:27] <_Pete_> well hope someone can help but now bed time
[21:27] <charlie-tca> Schwag: Maybe ask nVidia?
[21:29] <Schwag> how would i do that?
[21:29] <Schwag> is there a nvidia chat here? o.O
[21:29] <charlie-tca> Don't they have forums or mailing list?
[21:31] <Schwag> well im gonna try envyng and see if using it to d/l the drivers will allow it to actually use it once i restart
[21:31] <Schwag> theres a few other annoying little things im trying to figure out too
[21:32] <Schwag> when i use twinview to set up my tv as a monitor, for some reason my enlightenment toolbar stretches across both screens instad of my primary monitor
[21:32] <Schwag> and everything i open, opens on the secondary display\
[21:32] <Schwag> x.X
[21:34] <charlie-tca> So, those things are connected to the video driver?
[21:39] <Schwag> no prolly just something in the nvidia-settings im not seeing
[21:40] <Schwag> i tried setting the secondary display to set right of, but it didnt do anything x.X
[21:51] <__algol__> Schwag: I think your problem isn't in the drivers installation...
[21:52] <__algol__> you say when you restart, your xorg.conf hasn't nvidea drivers anymore, right?
[21:52] <__algol__> but if you install them, they must be on your system...
[21:53] <__algol__> damn... the has left... lol
[21:55] <__algol__> dose anyone here knows anything about the liveCD boot process?
[21:55] <__algol__> *does
[22:00] <charlie-tca> Might have to wait until Monday for help with that in #ubuntu-installer
[22:06] <__algol__> Monday?? why?
[22:09] <charlie-tca> Monday they will be back from UDS
[22:09] <charlie-tca> They are pretty busy this week
[22:09] <charlie-tca> Monday there will be more around and so they will answer faster than today
[22:11] <__algol__> ok, thx :)
[22:12] <charlie-tca> I know, not really what you want to hear. But at least it is an explanation for the slow responses today.
[22:41] <alienkid10> I am following this: http://myhowtosandprojects.blogspot.com/2008/06/custom-live-cd-ubuntu-804-desktop.html tutorial and finished it but now how do I unmount the squashfs filesystem and the isomount disc images? I think rsync is still using them. How can I stop it?
[22:43] <alienkid10> should I just reboot?
[22:46] <alienkid10> anyone?
[22:48] <alienkid10> I'll just restart and hope
[23:00] <__algol__> charlie-tca, are you still there?
[23:01]  * charlie-tca is hiding
[23:01] <charlie-tca> yup
[23:02] <slow-motion> n8
[23:03] <__algol__> I've just found an utodate guide for my installation: https://help.ubuntu.com/9.04/installation-guide/i386/linux-upgrade.html
[23:03] <charlie-tca> okay...
[23:04] <__algol__> the last steps here are:
[23:04] <__algol__> $ sudo tasksel install standard
[23:04] <__algol__> $ sudo tasksel install ubuntu-desktop
[23:05] <charlie-tca> Which is still for Ubuntu, not Xubuntu
[23:05] <charlie-tca> ubuntu-standard is a meta-package to install standard Ubuntu items
[23:05] <__algol__> in my case, if I want to install xubuntu, whould change for Xubuntu-desktop
[23:05] <__algol__> *wold
[23:06] <__algol__> would
[23:06] <charlie-tca> small "x", but yes
[23:06] <charlie-tca> and don't install ubuntu-standard
[23:06] <__algol__> ok... do you still say to let the "standard" off?
[23:06] <charlie-tca> xubuntu doesn't install it
[23:06] <__algol__> now there is no ubuntu-standard , just standard
[23:07] <charlie-tca> whether you use synaptic, apt-get, aptitude, or tasksel, ubuntu-standard is the same thing.
[23:08] <charlie-tca> It still installs ubuntu-standard
[23:09] <__algol__> ok
[23:11] <__algol__> Ok, I think I get it... standard is just a meta package... it will install all the ubuntu bloated... if I want the beare minimum xubuntu I stick for the xubuntu-desktop
[23:12] <__algol__> and get anyother packge my hand if I need it
[23:13] <charlie-tca> yes
[23:14] <charlie-tca> as far as I know, that is it!
[23:14] <charlie-tca> :-)
[23:55] <Pato1> would you recommend xubuntu 9.04 for P3 800mhz 224 ram and agp 8mb sis video card?
[23:59] <knome> not really.