| Lns | bencrisford: neat :) | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| Lns | what do you want to use the poster for? | 00:01 |
| bencrisford | :), dunno | 00:01 |
| bencrisford | but i guess once we get a good stock of em | 00:01 |
| bencrisford | for different age groups | 00:01 |
| bencrisford | we can give them to local schools | 00:01 |
| bencrisford | leave them in libraries | 00:02 |
| bencrisford | give them to students | 00:02 |
| Lns | what do you mean by "learn to love" ? | 00:02 |
| Lns | how does edubuntu help you do that? | 00:02 |
| bencrisford | learn to love edubuntu | 00:06 |
| bencrisford | the little girl/boy drew a special pic of it | 00:06 |
| bencrisford | learn to love by using this lovable software sortathing | 00:06 |
| bencrisford | but im not sure what it means | 00:06 |
| bencrisford | it just sounds good :D | 00:06 |
| Lns | hehe =) | 00:09 |
| Lns | i like it | 00:10 |
| Lns | bencrisford: did you do anything else with that teacher tux | 00:14 |
| Lns | ? | 00:14 |
| bencrisford | not yet | 00:14 |
| bencrisford | but he is free from the blackboard now | 00:14 |
| bencrisford | and the paint stains | 00:14 |
| bencrisford | Lns: ^ | 00:14 |
| Lns | cool =) | 00:15 |
| * bencrisford posted the poster on his blog | 00:15 | |
| bencrisford | Lns: I'll see if we can get some opinions | 00:16 |
| bencrisford | and itll be a good test as to whether anyone ever reads my posts :P | 00:16 |
| Lns | bencrisford: what's your blog url? | 00:16 |
| bencrisford | http://bencrisford.tk/ | 00:16 |
| Lns | thx | 00:16 |
| bencrisford | but thats a free redirection url | 00:16 |
| bencrisford | you can get the feed from http://bencrisford.exofire.net/blog/?feed=rss2 | 00:16 |
| bencrisford | Lns: I'm gonna call it a night | 00:24 |
| Lns | alright bencrisford have a good one! | 00:24 |
| bencrisford | :) | 00:25 |
| bencrisford | c ya tommorrow | 00:25 |
| sbalneav | Wonder how I'd go about building just a metapackage for the ldap stuff | 01:24 |
| sbalneav | Looks like I can do pretty much everything with postinst. | 01:25 |
| === GGD|sleeping is now known as GGD | ||
| Ahmuck | where do we report ltsp bugs? | 02:06 |
| sbalneav | Ahmuck: launchpad, as per usual | 03:07 |
| === nixternal_ is now known as nixternal | ||
| bencrisford1 | mornin asanchez | 10:41 |
| asanchez | morning bencrisford1 | 10:41 |
| highvoltage | bencrisford1: since you're so eager to read my blog, would you mind reading this part? http://jonathancarter.co.za/how-to-spell-jonathan/ | 11:27 |
| bencrisford1 | highvoltage: Eeek! Sorry! :( | 11:28 |
| highvoltage | bencrisford1: hehe | 11:31 |
| bencrisford | highvoltage: "Johnathon (Comment not safe for a public page)" - is that the one i did :S? | 11:41 |
| bencrisford | and I didn't know you were in to politics | 11:45 |
| bencrisford | check out www.havingsomefun.net - its a politics forum i started with a mate | 11:45 |
| sbalneav | Morning all | 15:05 |
| bencrisford | mornin sbalneav | 15:21 |
| sbalneav | Morning bencrisford | 15:25 |
| bencrisford | :) | 15:25 |
| bencrisford | sbalneav: I don't like my nick :(, what shall i change it to? | 15:25 |
| sbalneav | What's wrong with your nick? | 15:27 |
| bencrisford | lol, a bit too long and boring i guess | 15:27 |
| sbalneav | be<tab>, not long to type :) | 15:28 |
| sbalneav | what irc client are you using? Does it have tab completion? | 15:28 |
| bencrisford | pidgin doesnt | 15:28 |
| bencrisford | but its not bad | 15:28 |
| bencrisford | because i dont msg myself :P | 15:28 |
| sbalneav | eurgh, pidgin. | 15:28 |
| sbalneav | irssi for the win. | 15:29 |
| bencrisford | ill swap to xchat | 15:29 |
| bencrisford | but i dont like not seeing the user list | 15:29 |
| bencrisford | quassels pretty good, but it appears in your hostname | 15:29 |
| bencrisford | :/ | 15:29 |
| === bencrisford_ is now known as Ben | ||
| Ben | Isn't this a bit cooler? | 15:30 |
| === Ben is now known as Guest45152 | ||
| === vorian is now known as they | ||
| sbalneav | to see the users, all you have to do is just type "/who" in the channel | 15:31 |
| bencrisford | i like to see it all the time | 15:31 |
| sbalneav | Why? what's it buy you? | 15:31 |
| bencrisford | nothing | 15:31 |
| sbalneav | exactly | 15:31 |
| bencrisford | im just like that :P | 15:31 |
| sbalneav | save the screen real-estate for hacking :) | 15:32 |
| bencrisford | :P | 15:32 |
| sbalneav | one REALLY nice feature about irssi, being a text client, is that you can run it under screen. | 15:32 |
| sbalneav | I run my irssi on my home box, under screen | 15:33 |
| sbalneav | then, I can detach from screen with ctrl-a d | 15:33 |
| sbalneav | go to work (where I am now) | 15:33 |
| sbalneav | ssh into my home box | 15:33 |
| sbalneav | and do a screen -r (reattach) | 15:33 |
| sbalneav | very handy | 15:33 |
| bencrisford | nice | 15:34 |
| bencrisford | but what could a cool nick be? | 15:34 |
| bencrisford | for "ben" | 15:34 |
| sbalneav | there's absoluely nothing wrong with bencrisford | 15:34 |
| Ahmuck | beniford | 15:34 |
| sbalneav | Mine's just my userid | 15:34 |
| sbalneav | I've had this userid for 20+ years | 15:34 |
| bencrisford | im not all that bothered about my nick | 15:35 |
| bencrisford | but my email | 15:35 |
| bencrisford | and my lp id | 15:35 |
| alkisg | (05:28:32 μμ) bencrisford: pidgin doesnt => pidgin does have nick autocompletion | 15:35 |
| bencrisford | lol, what button? | 15:36 |
| sbalneav | It's the greek contingent! :) morning | 15:36 |
| alkisg | Heh! Morning all (well, at UTC+8 at least...) | 15:37 |
| alkisg | bencrisford: tab | 15:37 |
| bencrisford | dont work for me :/ | 15:37 |
| sbalneav | so al<tab> doesn't complete to alkisg: ? | 15:38 |
| alkisg | Write "ben", press tab. You'll see: bencrisford BenoitStandre (it proposes 2 names) | 15:38 |
| bencrisford | yeah :D | 15:38 |
| bencrisford | alkisg: w00t | 15:38 |
| alkisg | Write "benc" and tab => bencrisford | 15:38 |
| alkisg | ok | 15:38 |
| bencrisford | bencrisford: | 15:38 |
| bencrisford | :) | 15:38 |
| alkisg | You may even use it at the middle of a sentence | 15:38 |
| sbalneav | Ben's discovered the joys of tab autocompletion. | 15:39 |
| bencrisford | so a bencrisford isnt that bad! | 15:39 |
| === they is now known as vorian | ||
| sbalneav | Now all we need to do is get him comfortable at a shell prompt, and teach him VI, and we can *make* a hacker of him. | 15:39 |
| bencrisford | lol, i am comfortable with shell and vi :P | 15:39 |
| alkisg | Another really useful thing is history... e.g. you search for X_NUMLOCK and it shows you all the times someone said that... | 15:40 |
| * alkisg discovered that apt-get install vim-nox gives syntax highlighting in vi :) | 15:41 | |
| bencrisford | yeah its awesome :D | 15:42 |
| * bencrisford cant get enough | 15:42 | |
| bencrisford | i dont use kate no more | 15:42 |
| bencrisford | i only use vi | 15:42 |
| bencrisford | so much easier | 15:42 |
| bencrisford | saves me having several windows open | 15:42 |
| sbalneav | I use vim-full, and I have a ton of stuff enabled. | 15:42 |
| bencrisford | i dno what i got | 15:43 |
| bencrisford | but its got a helluva alo | 15:43 |
| bencrisford | alot* | 15:43 |
| * alkisg mostly uses gedit :-X I love how you can delete a letter with a single keystroke ;) | 15:43 | |
| sbalneav | I've even got some macros that if I edit a file that begins with a shebang (#1) it auto chmod's the file 755 | 15:43 |
| sbalneav | you can delete a letter with a single keystroke in vi too :) | 15:44 |
| bencrisford | yup | 15:44 |
| alkisg | Sure... if you happen to be in -i-don't-remember-the-name mode | 15:44 |
| alkisg | But if you're in edit mode, you're screwed | 15:45 |
| sbalneav | it's backspace in edit mode, and "x" in command mode. Get with the program already: makes perfect sense :) | 15:45 |
| sbalneav | And saving is ZZ | 15:46 |
| bencrisford | sbalneav: lol, what do i need to learn to be made a hacker then :P, because im fine with shell and vi | 15:46 |
| sbalneav | See how intuitive that is? | 15:46 |
| sbalneav | I mean, geez, who *DOESN'T* understand things like :1,$s/Where[ \t\n]+art thou/Where are you/g | 15:47 |
| alkisg | Well, vi saved me when I wanted to do some search/replace in binary files, so I can't hold these minor inconviniences like having to press 8 buttons to write 1 char against it... :) | 15:47 |
| sbalneav | When I started using vi, I thought the designers were on crack. It's.... an acquired taste. :) | 15:48 |
| bencrisford | it sure is | 15:49 |
| bencrisford | but it saves heaps of time when you're using svn or bzr | 15:49 |
| bencrisford | especially if its a minor hack | 15:49 |
| bencrisford | just vi file.cpp | 15:49 |
| bencrisford | hackety hack hack | 15:49 |
| bencrisford | Esc> :wq | 15:49 |
| bencrisford | svn commit :D | 15:49 |
| sbalneav | bencrisford: We got lots of open bugs: and things like screem really need new upstream versions. Dig in. join the edubuntu bugsquad team | 15:52 |
| bencrisford | lol i couldnt package for crap sbalneav | 15:54 |
| sbalneav | neither can I | 15:54 |
| sbalneav | but I'm learning | 15:55 |
| sbalneav | and lots of the bugs could just use triaging. | 15:55 |
| bencrisford | i guess | 15:56 |
| bencrisford | but for the next week or so im focussing on ubuntu | 15:56 |
| bencrisford | so ive got as many contributions as possible for my membershiup meeting on tuesday :S | 15:56 |
| bencrisford | but i guess these packages are ubuntu | 16:01 |
| bencrisford | so ill take a look | 16:01 |
| bencrisford | https://edge.launchpad.net/~ben NOOO!!!! the username ~ben is taken :'( | 16:17 |
| bencrisford | how does b.e.n look sbalneav | 16:19 |
| bencrisford | ? | 16:19 |
| Ahmuck | brazen elevator nicknacks | 16:21 |
| bencrisford | maybe not then | 16:22 |
| bencrisford | ben.c? | 16:22 |
| bencrisford | bc? | 16:22 |
| Ahmuck | bouncy entropic nodes | 16:22 |
| Ahmuck | bencrisford: b.e.n looks great | 16:22 |
| bencrisford | seriously? | 16:22 |
| Ahmuck | yes, i liked it when i saw it | 16:23 |
| bencrisford | better than ben.c and bc? | 16:23 |
| Ahmuck | it looks every AI | 16:23 |
| bencrisford | for an email address though? | 16:23 |
| bencrisford | b.e.n@e-mail.com | 16:23 |
| bencrisford | bc@e-mail.com | 16:23 |
| bencrisford | ben.c@e-mail.com | 16:23 |
| bencrisford | which is best? | 16:24 |
| Ahmuck | b.e.n@t.com | 16:25 |
| Ahmuck | honestly, it's your choice | 16:25 |
| sbalneav | Ah, memories | 16:26 |
| sbalneav | http://mirror.facebook.net/cpan/scripts/infoserv/gopher/tools/gofinger.pl | 16:26 |
| bencrisford | :P nice | 16:28 |
| sbalneav | I got my first internet account in 1985 | 16:28 |
| sbalneav | when I was in grade 11 | 16:29 |
| Ahmuck | wow, your an old folger | 16:29 |
| sbalneav | I'm 40. Soon to be 41 | 16:29 |
| sbalneav | I'm an internet methusela | 16:29 |
| sbalneav | I posted to usenet before 1993, but atm, I can't find any older reference to my userid (sbalnev) than that. | 16:30 |
| sbalneav | after I graduated from the university, in 1990, the admin there let me keep my account for 4 years, since I had helped him admin while I was there. | 16:31 |
| sbalneav | I was still posting from good old silver.cc | 16:31 |
| nubae | vi or emacs... nano or gedit.... perl or php, ruby or python... the things wars are made of :-) | 16:32 |
| sbalneav | the account I was given on an old dec vax runinng ultrix (dec's version of unix) back in '85 was sbalneav, and I've had the same userid since. | 16:32 |
| bencrisford | nubae: sbalneav: Which out of these sounds best - b.e.n@e-mail.com, bc@e-mail.com, ben.c@e-mail.com | 16:34 |
| sbalneav | I still have the cd from my first linux install. I bought the "LGX" distro from Yggdrasil. It's dated "fall '93" | 16:34 |
| * Ahmuck was fingering uni's in 92 | 16:34 | |
| * Ahmuck recalls yggdrasil | 16:34 | |
| * nubae was fingering other things back in 92 | 16:34 | |
| nubae | :p | 16:34 |
| sbalneav | bencrisford: what userid do you log into your computer with? | 16:35 |
| bencrisford | it logs in automatically | 16:35 |
| nubae | they weren't always in the computer lab | 16:35 |
| bencrisford | but it would be bem | 16:35 |
| bencrisford | ben* | 16:35 |
| Ahmuck | was made in reference to sbalneav link | 16:35 |
| sbalneav | bencrisford: I dunno. Whatever you'd like. If you ask me, I think you're spending too much time obsessing over it. I spent less time deciding to buy my cottage :) | 16:36 |
| bencrisford | :P | 16:36 |
| sbalneav | pick one and be done. | 16:36 |
| bencrisford | well i would love ben | 16:36 |
| bencrisford | but its always taken | 16:36 |
| sbalneav | how about just crisford? | 16:38 |
| sbalneav | 8 characters, makes a good username | 16:39 |
| sbalneav | fast to type | 16:39 |
| bencrisford | hmm | 16:39 |
| nubae | well, I always thank god for the tab key | 16:39 |
| bencrisford | nah i dont like it much | 16:39 |
| bencrisford | nubae: me too | 16:39 |
| bencrisford | lol to type your name i just have to type nub :) | 16:40 |
| sbalneav | Well, whatever, then. I'm off to do some ldap programming. afk for a bit | 16:41 |
| bencrisford | k | 16:41 |
| Ahmuck | bcrisford | 16:52 |
| bencrisford | really? | 16:54 |
| bencrisford | Ahmuck: I quite like it i guess | 16:55 |
| bencrisford | i thought about it | 16:55 |
| Ahmuck | sure, or first initial, middle initial, last name | 16:55 |
| Ahmuck | but in the old unix world, it was normally first initial, last name | 16:55 |
| bencrisford | bmcrisford sounds a bit crap | 16:55 |
| Ahmuck | upt o eight char, but in todays world you normally see it more than 8 | 16:55 |
| Ahmuck | it's just a nick :) | 16:56 |
| bencrisford | its important to me :) | 16:56 |
| bencrisford | i think i'll leave it | 16:57 |
| skipjack1 | Hi | 21:57 |
| Ahmuck | i'm on 9.04 ubuntu ltsp. what do i need to do to back up user directories? | 21:58 |
| sbalneav | Ahmuck: what do you mean? | 21:59 |
| sbalneav | You'll need something to back them up on | 21:59 |
| skipjack1 | I want to copy my Personal Files (Windows Vista) ( Documents, PHP code files and some other text, xml, doc, excel and so on .. Files ) to my LTSP Server. I think I should setup before something else to get correct filenames and a correct charset, so that I can easly editing files under Linux (thinClient) and over Samba ( Windows XP, vista..) Some tips? What I should do before copy ( okay a Backup ;) ) | 21:59 |
| Ahmuck | no. i can leave the files intact, as it's on a raided drive and partitioned. however, when i tried this once before, it failed. users were not able to access their documents | 22:00 |
| sbalneav | skipjack1: the Ubuntu wiki has a samba page, it'd be a good place to start | 22:00 |
| skipjack1 | ohh okay thanks ;)) | 22:01 |
| sbalneav | Ahmuck: what did you use to try to do the backup? | 22:01 |
| sbalneav | Did you use a tape drive? DVD? rsync? | 22:02 |
| Ahmuck | i didn't use anything. i booted to cdrom, and went from 8.04 to 8.10 before. i left the /home partition as is. however, after re-adding users, the users were unable to access documents. i had to chown user:user on /home directories | 22:03 |
| sbalneav | well, sure | 22:03 |
| Ahmuck | this time i'd like to go from 9.04 to 8.10 | 22:03 |
| sbalneav | unless you added them in exACTly the same order, they'd be different. | 22:04 |
| Ahmuck | is there a way to backup the user list and group list for a new install ? | 22:04 |
| sbalneav | Absolutely. | 22:04 |
| sbalneav | take a copy of your /etc directory | 22:04 |
| Ahmuck | cp /etc/. /home/superuser | 22:05 |
| Ahmuck | and then back ? | 22:05 |
| sbalneav | then, after you upgrade, you can restore the /etc/passwd, /etc/shadow, and /etc/group files | 22:05 |
| Ahmuck | ok | 22:05 |
| sbalneav | You are backing up you /home files externally somewhere, right? | 22:05 |
| sbalneav | Ahmuck: no, you never restore the WHOLE etc directory, as that could cause you problems. | 22:07 |
| sbalneav | but you want to KEEP it just in case you missed a config file mod you made. | 22:07 |
| sbalneav | but you HAVE to backup your /home files to a different machine. | 22:07 |
| sbalneav | there's absolutely no iron-clad guarentee that /home won't get formatted on a re-install or upgrade. | 22:08 |
| sbalneav | you could type something wrong | 22:08 |
| sbalneav | there could be a bug in the installer | 22:08 |
| sbalneav | cosmic rays | 22:08 |
| sbalneav | kernel bug causes raid array to reformat | 22:09 |
| Ahmuck | actually i'm not backing them up at all. i'm leaving them intact on the drive in their own /home partition | 22:09 |
| Ahmuck | yes, well, i'm a bit risky at times | 22:09 |
| sbalneav | I'm going to be blunt | 22:10 |
| sbalneav | if you upgrade a box without backing all files on it up | 22:10 |
| sbalneav | you're being incompetant. | 22:10 |
| sbalneav | If you made a mistake, and /home was erased, how much grief would that cause? | 22:11 |
| sbalneav | back it up. | 22:11 |
| Ahmuck | yes, i agree. in the last the last 18 years i did make that mistake once. i was eating supper and not paying attention. | 22:18 |
| sbalneav | So if you've been a sysadmin for 18 years, you should KNOW you need to back up. | 22:19 |
| sbalneav | Dude, don't cause yourself more grief than necessary. | 22:19 |
| Ahmuck | i'm being lazy and impatient. i agree | 22:20 |
| sbalneav | Up to you | 22:20 |
| sbalneav | if you restore the shadow file, passwords come back as well. | 22:21 |
| sbalneav | make SURE permissions and ownership is correct when restoring. | 22:21 |
| sbalneav | or a locked-out machine will result. | 22:21 |
| sbalneav | Well, time for me to head home, pack up the fambly, and head to the cottage for the weekend. | 22:23 |
| bencrisford | ok | 22:24 |
| sbalneav | in 4 hours I'll be sitting on my deck with my wife and a beer | 22:24 |
| sbalneav | and a burger | 22:24 |
| bencrisford | awww | 22:24 |
| bencrisford | nice | 22:24 |
| sbalneav | on my 40 acres | 22:24 |
| bencrisford | i have a 1000 word essay to write by monday :'( | 22:24 |
| bencrisford | :P save me a beer | 22:24 |
| sbalneav | or 16.19 hectares | 22:25 |
| sbalneav | or 250905600 square inches | 22:26 |
| Ahmuck | permissions and ownership? | 22:26 |
| sbalneav | Ahmuck: yeah | 22:26 |
| sbalneav | owned by root, perms 644 or whatever | 22:26 |
| Ahmuck | i'd like to stay on 9.04, but it's wrought with problems. i moved to 9.04 to fix my nic issue. which appears to have done so | 22:27 |
| skipjack1 | hmm windows uses cp1251 charset? | 22:27 |
| Ahmuck | k | 22:27 |
| skipjack1 | or. windows-1251 ? | 22:27 |
| sbalneav | sbalneav@feniks:~$ ls -la /etc/passwd /etc/group /etc/shadow | 22:27 |
| sbalneav | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 948 2009-03-17 13:05 /etc/group | 22:27 |
| sbalneav | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1.7K 2009-03-13 16:03 /etc/passwd | 22:27 |
| sbalneav | -rw-r----- 1 root shadow 1023 2009-03-13 16:03 /etc/shadow | 22:27 |
| sbalneav | passwd & group are root:root with 644, shadow's root:shadow mode 640 | 22:28 |
| sbalneav | anyway, I'm off | 22:29 |
| sbalneav | see you all monday. | 22:29 |
| Ahmuck | all my experience is on windows ... so i'm coming at the linux thing sorta new | 22:29 |
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