[00:00] bencrisford: neat :) [00:01] what do you want to use the poster for? [00:01] :), dunno [00:01] but i guess once we get a good stock of em [00:01] for different age groups [00:01] we can give them to local schools [00:02] leave them in libraries [00:02] give them to students [00:02] what do you mean by "learn to love" ? [00:02] how does edubuntu help you do that? [00:06] learn to love edubuntu [00:06] the little girl/boy drew a special pic of it [00:06] learn to love by using this lovable software sortathing [00:06] but im not sure what it means [00:06] it just sounds good :D [00:09] hehe =) [00:10] i like it [00:14] bencrisford: did you do anything else with that teacher tux [00:14] ? [00:14] not yet [00:14] but he is free from the blackboard now [00:14] and the paint stains [00:14] Lns: ^ [00:15] cool =) [00:15] * bencrisford posted the poster on his blog [00:16] Lns: I'll see if we can get some opinions [00:16] and itll be a good test as to whether anyone ever reads my posts :P [00:16] bencrisford: what's your blog url? [00:16] http://bencrisford.tk/ [00:16] thx [00:16] but thats a free redirection url [00:16] you can get the feed from http://bencrisford.exofire.net/blog/?feed=rss2 [00:24] Lns: I'm gonna call it a night [00:24] alright bencrisford have a good one! [00:25] :) [00:25] c ya tommorrow [01:24] Wonder how I'd go about building just a metapackage for the ldap stuff [01:25] Looks like I can do pretty much everything with postinst. === GGD|sleeping is now known as GGD [02:06] where do we report ltsp bugs? [03:07] Ahmuck: launchpad, as per usual === nixternal_ is now known as nixternal [10:41] mornin asanchez [10:41] morning bencrisford1 [11:27] bencrisford1: since you're so eager to read my blog, would you mind reading this part? http://jonathancarter.co.za/how-to-spell-jonathan/ [11:28] highvoltage: Eeek! Sorry! :( [11:31] bencrisford1: hehe [11:41] highvoltage: "Johnathon (Comment not safe for a public page)" - is that the one i did :S? [11:45] and I didn't know you were in to politics [11:45] check out www.havingsomefun.net - its a politics forum i started with a mate [15:05] Morning all [15:21] mornin sbalneav [15:25] Morning bencrisford [15:25] :) [15:25] sbalneav: I don't like my nick :(, what shall i change it to? [15:27] What's wrong with your nick? [15:27] lol, a bit too long and boring i guess [15:28] be, not long to type :) [15:28] what irc client are you using? Does it have tab completion? [15:28] pidgin doesnt [15:28] but its not bad [15:28] because i dont msg myself :P [15:28] eurgh, pidgin. [15:29] irssi for the win. [15:29] ill swap to xchat [15:29] but i dont like not seeing the user list [15:29] quassels pretty good, but it appears in your hostname [15:29] :/ === bencrisford_ is now known as Ben [15:30] Isn't this a bit cooler? === Ben is now known as Guest45152 === vorian is now known as they [15:31] to see the users, all you have to do is just type "/who" in the channel [15:31] i like to see it all the time [15:31] Why? what's it buy you? [15:31] nothing [15:31] exactly [15:31] im just like that :P [15:32] save the screen real-estate for hacking :) [15:32] :P [15:32] one REALLY nice feature about irssi, being a text client, is that you can run it under screen. [15:33] I run my irssi on my home box, under screen [15:33] then, I can detach from screen with ctrl-a d [15:33] go to work (where I am now) [15:33] ssh into my home box [15:33] and do a screen -r (reattach) [15:33] very handy [15:34] nice [15:34] but what could a cool nick be? [15:34] for "ben" [15:34] there's absoluely nothing wrong with bencrisford [15:34] beniford [15:34] Mine's just my userid [15:34] I've had this userid for 20+ years [15:35] im not all that bothered about my nick [15:35] but my email [15:35] and my lp id [15:35] (05:28:32 μμ) bencrisford: pidgin doesnt => pidgin does have nick autocompletion [15:36] lol, what button? [15:36] It's the greek contingent! :) morning [15:37] Heh! Morning all (well, at UTC+8 at least...) [15:37] bencrisford: tab [15:37] dont work for me :/ [15:38] so al doesn't complete to alkisg: ? [15:38] Write "ben", press tab. You'll see: bencrisford BenoitStandre (it proposes 2 names) [15:38] yeah :D [15:38] alkisg: w00t [15:38] Write "benc" and tab => bencrisford [15:38] ok [15:38] bencrisford: [15:38] :) [15:38] You may even use it at the middle of a sentence [15:39] Ben's discovered the joys of tab autocompletion. [15:39] so a bencrisford isnt that bad! === they is now known as vorian [15:39] Now all we need to do is get him comfortable at a shell prompt, and teach him VI, and we can *make* a hacker of him. [15:39] lol, i am comfortable with shell and vi :P [15:40] Another really useful thing is history... e.g. you search for X_NUMLOCK and it shows you all the times someone said that... [15:41] * alkisg discovered that apt-get install vim-nox gives syntax highlighting in vi :) [15:42] yeah its awesome :D [15:42] * bencrisford cant get enough [15:42] i dont use kate no more [15:42] i only use vi [15:42] so much easier [15:42] saves me having several windows open [15:42] I use vim-full, and I have a ton of stuff enabled. [15:43] i dno what i got [15:43] but its got a helluva alo [15:43] alot* [15:43] * alkisg mostly uses gedit :-X I love how you can delete a letter with a single keystroke ;) [15:43] I've even got some macros that if I edit a file that begins with a shebang (#1) it auto chmod's the file 755 [15:44] you can delete a letter with a single keystroke in vi too :) [15:44] yup [15:44] Sure... if you happen to be in -i-don't-remember-the-name mode [15:45] But if you're in edit mode, you're screwed [15:45] it's backspace in edit mode, and "x" in command mode. Get with the program already: makes perfect sense :) [15:46] And saving is ZZ [15:46] sbalneav: lol, what do i need to learn to be made a hacker then :P, because im fine with shell and vi [15:46] See how intuitive that is? [15:47] I mean, geez, who *DOESN'T* understand things like :1,$s/Where[ \t\n]+art thou/Where are you/g [15:47] Well, vi saved me when I wanted to do some search/replace in binary files, so I can't hold these minor inconviniences like having to press 8 buttons to write 1 char against it... :) [15:48] When I started using vi, I thought the designers were on crack. It's.... an acquired taste. :) [15:49] it sure is [15:49] but it saves heaps of time when you're using svn or bzr [15:49] especially if its a minor hack [15:49] just vi file.cpp [15:49] hackety hack hack [15:49] Esc> :wq [15:49] svn commit :D [15:52] bencrisford: We got lots of open bugs: and things like screem really need new upstream versions. Dig in. join the edubuntu bugsquad team [15:54] lol i couldnt package for crap sbalneav [15:54] neither can I [15:55] but I'm learning [15:55] and lots of the bugs could just use triaging. [15:56] i guess [15:56] but for the next week or so im focussing on ubuntu [15:56] so ive got as many contributions as possible for my membershiup meeting on tuesday :S [16:01] but i guess these packages are ubuntu [16:01] so ill take a look [16:17] https://edge.launchpad.net/~ben NOOO!!!! the username ~ben is taken :'( [16:19] how does b.e.n look sbalneav [16:19] ? [16:21] brazen elevator nicknacks [16:22] maybe not then [16:22] ben.c? [16:22] bc? [16:22] bouncy entropic nodes [16:22] bencrisford: b.e.n looks great [16:22] seriously? [16:23] yes, i liked it when i saw it [16:23] better than ben.c and bc? [16:23] it looks every AI [16:23] for an email address though? [16:23] b.e.n@e-mail.com [16:23] bc@e-mail.com [16:23] ben.c@e-mail.com [16:24] which is best? [16:25] b.e.n@t.com [16:25] honestly, it's your choice [16:26] Ah, memories [16:26] http://mirror.facebook.net/cpan/scripts/infoserv/gopher/tools/gofinger.pl [16:28] :P nice [16:28] I got my first internet account in 1985 [16:29] when I was in grade 11 [16:29] wow, your an old folger [16:29] I'm 40. Soon to be 41 [16:29] I'm an internet methusela [16:30] I posted to usenet before 1993, but atm, I can't find any older reference to my userid (sbalnev) than that. [16:31] after I graduated from the university, in 1990, the admin there let me keep my account for 4 years, since I had helped him admin while I was there. [16:31] I was still posting from good old silver.cc [16:32] vi or emacs... nano or gedit.... perl or php, ruby or python... the things wars are made of :-) [16:32] the account I was given on an old dec vax runinng ultrix (dec's version of unix) back in '85 was sbalneav, and I've had the same userid since. [16:34] nubae: sbalneav: Which out of these sounds best - b.e.n@e-mail.com, bc@e-mail.com, ben.c@e-mail.com [16:34] I still have the cd from my first linux install. I bought the "LGX" distro from Yggdrasil. It's dated "fall '93" [16:34] * Ahmuck was fingering uni's in 92 [16:34] * Ahmuck recalls yggdrasil [16:34] * nubae was fingering other things back in 92 [16:34] :p [16:35] bencrisford: what userid do you log into your computer with? [16:35] it logs in automatically [16:35] they weren't always in the computer lab [16:35] but it would be bem [16:35] ben* [16:35] was made in reference to sbalneav link [16:36] bencrisford: I dunno. Whatever you'd like. If you ask me, I think you're spending too much time obsessing over it. I spent less time deciding to buy my cottage :) [16:36] :P [16:36] pick one and be done. [16:36] well i would love ben [16:36] but its always taken [16:38] how about just crisford? [16:39] 8 characters, makes a good username [16:39] fast to type [16:39] hmm [16:39] well, I always thank god for the tab key [16:39] nah i dont like it much [16:39] nubae: me too [16:40] lol to type your name i just have to type nub :) [16:41] Well, whatever, then. I'm off to do some ldap programming. afk for a bit [16:41] k [16:52] bcrisford [16:54] really? [16:55] Ahmuck: I quite like it i guess [16:55] i thought about it [16:55] sure, or first initial, middle initial, last name [16:55] but in the old unix world, it was normally first initial, last name [16:55] bmcrisford sounds a bit crap [16:55] upt o eight char, but in todays world you normally see it more than 8 [16:56] it's just a nick :) [16:56] its important to me :) [16:57] i think i'll leave it [21:57] Hi [21:58] i'm on 9.04 ubuntu ltsp. what do i need to do to back up user directories? [21:59] Ahmuck: what do you mean? [21:59] You'll need something to back them up on [21:59] I want to copy my Personal Files (Windows Vista) ( Documents, PHP code files and some other text, xml, doc, excel and so on .. Files ) to my LTSP Server. I think I should setup before something else to get correct filenames and a correct charset, so that I can easly editing files under Linux (thinClient) and over Samba ( Windows XP, vista..) Some tips? What I should do before copy ( okay a Backup ;) ) [22:00] no. i can leave the files intact, as it's on a raided drive and partitioned. however, when i tried this once before, it failed. users were not able to access their documents [22:00] skipjack1: the Ubuntu wiki has a samba page, it'd be a good place to start [22:01] ohh okay thanks ;)) [22:01] Ahmuck: what did you use to try to do the backup? [22:02] Did you use a tape drive? DVD? rsync? [22:03] i didn't use anything. i booted to cdrom, and went from 8.04 to 8.10 before. i left the /home partition as is. however, after re-adding users, the users were unable to access documents. i had to chown user:user on /home directories [22:03] well, sure [22:03] this time i'd like to go from 9.04 to 8.10 [22:04] unless you added them in exACTly the same order, they'd be different. [22:04] is there a way to backup the user list and group list for a new install ? [22:04] Absolutely. [22:04] take a copy of your /etc directory [22:05] cp /etc/. /home/superuser [22:05] and then back ? [22:05] then, after you upgrade, you can restore the /etc/passwd, /etc/shadow, and /etc/group files [22:05] ok [22:05] You are backing up you /home files externally somewhere, right? [22:07] Ahmuck: no, you never restore the WHOLE etc directory, as that could cause you problems. [22:07] but you want to KEEP it just in case you missed a config file mod you made. [22:07] but you HAVE to backup your /home files to a different machine. [22:08] there's absolutely no iron-clad guarentee that /home won't get formatted on a re-install or upgrade. [22:08] you could type something wrong [22:08] there could be a bug in the installer [22:08] cosmic rays [22:09] kernel bug causes raid array to reformat [22:09] actually i'm not backing them up at all. i'm leaving them intact on the drive in their own /home partition [22:09] yes, well, i'm a bit risky at times [22:10] I'm going to be blunt [22:10] if you upgrade a box without backing all files on it up [22:10] you're being incompetant. [22:11] If you made a mistake, and /home was erased, how much grief would that cause? [22:11] back it up. [22:18] yes, i agree. in the last the last 18 years i did make that mistake once. i was eating supper and not paying attention. [22:19] So if you've been a sysadmin for 18 years, you should KNOW you need to back up. [22:19] Dude, don't cause yourself more grief than necessary. [22:20] i'm being lazy and impatient. i agree [22:20] Up to you [22:21] if you restore the shadow file, passwords come back as well. [22:21] make SURE permissions and ownership is correct when restoring. [22:21] or a locked-out machine will result. [22:23] Well, time for me to head home, pack up the fambly, and head to the cottage for the weekend. [22:24] ok [22:24] in 4 hours I'll be sitting on my deck with my wife and a beer [22:24] and a burger [22:24] awww [22:24] nice [22:24] on my 40 acres [22:24] i have a 1000 word essay to write by monday :'( [22:24] :P save me a beer [22:25] or 16.19 hectares [22:26] or 250905600 square inches [22:26] permissions and ownership? [22:26] Ahmuck: yeah [22:26] owned by root, perms 644 or whatever [22:27] i'd like to stay on 9.04, but it's wrought with problems. i moved to 9.04 to fix my nic issue. which appears to have done so [22:27] hmm windows uses cp1251 charset? [22:27] k [22:27] or. windows-1251 ? [22:27] sbalneav@feniks:~$ ls -la /etc/passwd /etc/group /etc/shadow [22:27] -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 948 2009-03-17 13:05 /etc/group [22:27] -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1.7K 2009-03-13 16:03 /etc/passwd [22:27] -rw-r----- 1 root shadow 1023 2009-03-13 16:03 /etc/shadow [22:28] passwd & group are root:root with 644, shadow's root:shadow mode 640 [22:29] anyway, I'm off [22:29] see you all monday. [22:29] all my experience is on windows ... so i'm coming at the linux thing sorta new