[00:10] <CHuLoYo> adiós
[00:10] <CHuLoYo> adiooooooooooooooooooos
[00:10] <CHuLoYo> xD
[00:15] <solipcyst> ign0ramus: your simple plan has put me on the right path.  but a quick search seems to point to a "known issue" with my motherboard's chipset :/
[00:15] <ign0ramus> solipcyst, well at least i got the good news first!
[00:16] <solipcyst> unfortunately, i guess this means i'm stuck with a near 2 minute boot time
[00:16] <ign0ramus> solipcyst, check launchpad for a fix or at least a workaround
[00:16] <ign0ramus> solipcyst, not necessarily... what's it hanging on?
[00:17] <solipcyst> ign0ramus: well, just after "* Loading Hardware Drivers... [OK]", I get "ck804xrom ck804xrom_init_one(): Unable to register resource 0x00000000ff000000-0x00000000ffffffff - kernel bug?"
[00:18] <ign0ramus> solipcyst, ouch...
[00:18] <ign0ramus> solipcyst, have you tried any different kernels? (newer/older)
[00:18] <solipcyst> ign0ramus: yeah, and a quick search of ck804xrom_init_one finds a few people being informed of "known issues" with various nForce chipsets
[00:21] <solipcyst> ign0ramus: no i haven't.  and that actually brings up another question.  this is a fresh install of kubuntu 9.04 x64.  i've noticed that after performing all updates as suggested by the package update manager that it continues to inform me of "8 software updates available".  when i check what they are, all that it lists are 4 (not 8) "blocked updates" that include what look to be updated kernels.
[00:22] <solipcyst> linux-image-generic-2.6.28.11.15
[00:55] <mastermind_> Hi guys, ma Kubuntu's booting with gnome and don know how, can someone  help me?
[00:56] <daan> Hi! Can anyone tell me how to know which ubuntu version i am running?
[00:56] <mastermind_> 9.10
[00:56] <mastermind_> @daan  ls_release
[00:57] <mastermind_> @daan open the konsole and write ls_release
[00:57] <lupine_85> lsb_release you mean ?
[00:58]  * lupine_85 generally just looks in /etc/apt/sources.list
[00:58] <mastermind_> it's depent
[00:58] <mastermind_> I use ls_release and work
[00:59] <daan> mastermind_: with ls_release i get command not found, with lsb_release no lsb modules available
[01:00] <mastermind_> try how lupine saw
[01:00] <mastermind_> lsb_release
[01:00] <ign0ramus> daan, if "lsb_release" doesn't work, do "cat /etc/lsb-release"
[01:01] <mastermind_> and now, someone can help me?
[01:01] <daan> ah ok, that works. Thanx mastermind_ , ign0ramus and lupine_85!
[01:01] <mastermind_> Kubuntu's booting with gnome and don know how, can someone  help me?
[01:02] <ign0ramus> mastermind_, change the session type on login screen
[01:02] <mastermind_> your welcome daan
[01:02] <mastermind_> i did that
[01:03] <ign0ramus> mastermind_, you picked a kde session, and it still logged you into gnome?
[01:03] <mastermind_> I try /etc/init.d/kdm restart and don't work
[01:04] <mastermind_> I log on KDE screen put start gnome session after
[01:04] <mastermind_> @ign0ramus yes
[01:05] <ign0ramus> mastermind_, and you have kde properly installed?
[01:06] <mastermind_> ya, yesterday was running KDE normally
[01:07] <ign0ramus> mastermind_, so "kubuntu-desktop" is already installed?
[01:07] <mastermind_> yes
[01:07] <ign0ramus> mastermind_, this a new one for me...
[01:08] <ign0ramus> mastermind_, what session types are available to you in gdm?
[01:08] <mastermind_> run normally or recorvelly
[01:09] <ign0ramus> mastermind_, are you talking about grub?
[01:09] <mastermind_> sorry yes
[01:09] <ign0ramus> mastermind_, in your login manager... what session types does it list?
[01:11] <ign0ramus> solipcyst, any luck?
[01:11] <mastermind_> sorry, how i kown that
[01:11] <ign0ramus> mastermind_, where you type your user name and password to log in... there's a menu to pick what session type.  what options are listed for you?
[01:12] <mastermind_> some me
[01:12] <mastermind_> there aren't other user
[01:18] <ign0ramus> mastermind_, do you see it now?
[01:18] <mastermind_> ign0ramus I use kdm and not gdm, but in my kdm there are the option to gnome session
[01:19] <mastermind_> and I some change it
[01:19] <ign0ramus> mastermind_, right ... and so you pick "kde" and it logs into gnome anyway?
[01:20] <mastermind_> Yes thats right
[01:20] <mastermind_> I loging now in KDE
[01:20] <ign0ramus> mastermind_, what?
[01:21] <mastermind_> Tanks ign0ramus
[01:21] <ign0ramus> mastermind_, so that worked?
[01:21] <mastermind_> ya
[01:21] <ign0ramus> mastermind_, well i didn't understand half of what you were saying, but i'm glad you got this issue resolved :)
[01:38] <fbvortex> I'm trying to boot the Kubuntu Jaunty liveCD to install on a new Fujitsu lifebook with i945 graphics.  After I get the boot splash screen, the system loads but Xorg never produces a visible screen.  I've tried setting the graphics to "safe mode" before starting, with no change in the results.  Checking Xorg.0.log doesn't give me any obvious clues.  I can VT-switch and get the command-line.  What should I try to get xorg to actually come up?
[01:38] <faileas> anyone running konversation kde3 and the backports repo? I was running the debian konversation kde4 alpha and got updated to a new version... wondering if its across the board, or cause i was already running konversation on kde4
[01:39] <ProfOak> Does anyone know why Links, the web browser, opens up everytime I click a link in an external program?
[01:39] <Walzmyn> do we know if koffice 2.0 will be backported to 8.10?
[01:40] <Walzmyn> ProfOak: it must be set as the defalt browser
[01:41] <Admiral_Chicago> fbvortex: can you pastebin whats in /var/log/Xorg.0.log if you do tail on it
[01:41] <ign0ramus> ProfOak, probably because you have it set as system default browser
[01:41] <ProfOak> Walzmyn: That's what I was thinkin, how do I fix that?
[01:42] <ProfOak> I'm just wondering how that could have happened.
[01:42] <Walzmyn> ProfOak: well, i thought i knew, i was looking so i could tell you
[01:42] <fbvortex> Admiral_Chicago, let me copy the contents off onto a USB stick and pastebin it.
[01:42] <ign0ramus> ProfOak, you can change it in System Settings > Default Applications
[01:42] <Walzmyn> oh, i see how to use this thing now
[01:43]  * Walzmyn slaps his forehead
[01:43] <ign0ramus> Walzmyn, sorry to step in like that, i didn't see your answer
[01:44] <Walzmyn> no, your fine, ign0ramus. I was looking at default apps and couldn't see how to use the thing
[01:44] <ign0ramus> Walzmyn, good stuff :)
[01:49] <Walzmyn> do we know if koffice 2.0 will be backported to 8.10?
[01:52] <Serpardum> kate keeps crashing when I close it.  any idea why?
[01:53] <fbvortex> Admiral_Chicago, and anyone else who wouldn't mind taking a crack at getting xorg to properly come up on an i945 system: http://pastebin.com/d4736b197
[01:53] <fbvortex> Admiral_Chicago, that is when I tried to use "safe" mode (I guess VESA)
[01:55] <Admiral_Chicago> fbvortex: does sudo lshw show you have a VESA card?
[01:59] <fbvortex> Admiral_Chicago, it doesn't specifically say anything about VESA in the lshw output, but the Xorg.0.log seems to find the VESA BIOS extension.  Let me try the default boot again and post that log -- it does correctly detect the intel driver if I don't try to do "safe" mode, but I still don't get a display.
[02:00] <Serpardum> every time I close kate I get an error: "A Fatal Error Occurred... Kate (kate) crashed... signal 11..."  Anyone know the cause?
[02:01] <fbvortex> Serpardum, everything else works fine?
[02:02] <wissam> iam asking about a link to download a vmware workstation working with kubuntu i tried .boundle vmware and doesnt work
[02:03] <LadyNikon> wissam: you try looking in synaptic?
[02:04] <ign0ramus> wissam, vmware workstation requires a paid license
[02:05] <Serpardum> yes fbvortex, everything else seems fine
[02:05] <wissam> i have a license
[02:05] <ign0ramus> wissam, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VMware
[02:05] <wissam> unsupported
[02:10] <Taggnostr> hello
[02:11] <fbvortex> Admiral_Chicago, http://pastebin.com/d1e707a32
[02:11] <Taggnostr> I accidentally removed the application panel (the one on the bottom where all the applications are listed, just that part, I still have the tray the clock and so on), how can I have it back? I'm using kde4
[02:12] <fbvortex> Admiral_Chicago, seems like it detects the video modes and screen resolution correctly, but it's stuck on a black screen.
[02:12] <Admiral_Chicago> Taggnostr: go to plasma, hit add...application panel iirc.
[02:12] <Admiral_Chicago> right click on the desktop
[02:12] <Admiral_Chicago> let me look fbvortex
[02:14] <Taggnostr> ok, thanks
[02:15] <Admiral_Chicago> I ask because Xorg may detect VESA as your driver but you may need a different one...
[02:15] <Admiral_Chicago> have you tried sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg?
[02:20] <fbvortex> Admiral_Chicago, no, but what other driver would I try?  the intel driver would be the right one...
[02:22] <fbvortex> Admiral_Chicago, what's the correct way to use  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ?  It wants an action option...
[02:23] <Admiral_Chicago> fbvortex: let me check.
[02:24] <Admiral_Chicago> action option?
[02:24] <Admiral_Chicago> what does the line read?
[02:25] <barrett> join #xbins
[02:25] <barrett> !join #xbins
[02:32] <fbvortex> Admiral_Chicago, I missed the hyphen between dpkg and reconfigure.  Telling it not to use the framebuffer apparently worked.  I had to manually kill the "X" process and tried startx, but at least now I'm getting a graphical screen.
[02:32] <fbvortex> Admiral_Chicago, thanks, that did the trick.
[02:32] <fbvortex> Admiral_Chicago, (the dkpg-reconfigure, that is)
[02:40] <justin__> what other options do I have for an OS then kabuntu
[02:42] <fbvortex> justin__, you have an incredibly large number of options.
[02:47] <justin__> like what I dont want windows
[03:00] <justin__> what about solaris? is it any good?
[03:02] <justin__> is anyone here?
[03:26] <justin__> hello
[03:26] <wissam> any body tried vmware in kubuntu befor?? i need help .. i want to install vmware workstation
[03:29] <wissam> ??
[03:29] <wissam> any body help?
[03:30] <wissam> and how i use my usb in virtualbox i have it dimmed in my virtualbox
[03:36] <Serpardum> Anyone know how to check if a command produced an error?  Specifically gcc.  I want to know if the compile was successful.  In MS-DOS it would be if (errorlevel)
[03:55] <justin__> is solaris a good OS?
[03:56] <hvcghost> I am a ubuntu noob
[03:57] <hvcghost> little of bt2 and bt3 exp none else
[03:57] <hvcghost> all horrid windows
[04:08] <wissam> am trying to install vmware workstation any one have a worked link for kubuntu?
[04:43] <Guest25033> hello
[05:02] <luis_> hello good nite everyone i like to ask: i do have kubuntu 8.04 and i do want to install xine extra plugins codecs, but i already did the update and still is gray so it wont allow me to install it, how can i turn it on(black) so i cant install thata??
[05:52] <sufi> hello
[06:38] <sufi> hey
[06:53] <bart_> guys what can i use to create partition and format drives and stuff in kubuntu
[06:56] <faileas> bart_: qtparted / gparted i suppose. preferably whichever of the two is on the livecd ;p
[06:58] <xjjk> bart_check out partitionmanager
[06:58] <xjjk> new KDE4 tool
[06:58] <xjjk> faileas: I don't think qtparted is maintained anymore...
[07:01] <iivv> why does kded -- version return a kde version of 3.5? i just installed 9.04
[07:02] <xjjk> iivv: is it a KDE3 daemon...
[07:07] <_polto__> hello all
[07:07] <_polto__> I installed a Kubuntu 9.04 on a eeeBox B202. Everything work, but just moving the mouse hit 100% CPU usage, high network traffic also kill the CPU.
[07:07] <_polto__> some ideas ?
[07:10] <alakhia> use top to find which process is consuming cpu
[07:10] <xjjk> presumably it's X11 and the kernel
[07:10] <_polto___> X11
[07:10] <xjjk> rather than any specific process
[07:10] <xjjk> _polto___: for the former, are you using desktop effects? try turning them off?
[07:10] <xjjk> for the latter, I have *no* idea
[07:11] <_polto___> then I ping flood on my LAN, it's ping programm that use 100% CPU.
[07:11] <xjjk> "ping flood"?
[07:11] <_polto___> xjjk, I'll try to turn off everything
[07:11] <_polto___> ping -f 192.168.0.9
[07:11] <xjjk> _polto___: sorry, what's a ping flood
[07:12] <xjjk> _polto___: hrm
[07:12] <xjjk> _polto___: for a second there, thought a ping flood involved executing the ping command many times
[07:13] <xjjk> doing a lot of forking
[07:13] <_polto___> xjjk, I will not flood here :) look man ping and search -f
[07:13] <xjjk> _polto___: yah, I read it
[07:13] <_polto___> no, ping run only once
[07:13] <xjjk> right, it's not clear why you'd get high CPU usage with that
[07:13] <xjjk> _polto___: did desktop effects do anything?
[07:14] <_polto___> I suspect interrupts are not well managed.
[07:14] <xjjk> AFAIK the eeebox uses a newer Intel GPU that isn't well supported by OSS drivers
[07:14] <xjjk> possibly
[07:14] <xjjk> that's on top of the bad support of Intel graphics in Jaunty in the first place
[07:15] <_polto___> ok, how can I see that it's interrupt related and possibly find and repair the problem ?
[07:15] <xjjk> _polto___: it's been a while since I've done that kind of diagnosis, don't recall off the top of my head... one of the files in proc AFAIK
[07:16] <_polto___> xjjk, up to here I follow.. :)
[07:16] <xjjk> _polto___: try watching /proc/interrupts and see if anything is increasing ridiculously fast
[07:16] <_polto___> but then ... ?
[07:16] <xjjk> that's probably not helpful
[07:16] <_polto___> they do
[07:18] <_polto___> and what is Int 2300?
[07:18] <_polto___> how can it be so high ?
[07:19] <xjjk> I don't have the expertise to help you =/
[07:19] <_polto___> Experts! wake up :)
[07:19] <xjjk> _polto___: you may want to try #kernel-newbies or one of the other Linux kernel channels
[07:19] <_polto___> good idea
[07:19] <xjjk> they may have seen the problem before, and/or direct you to more info/where to ask for better help
[08:04] <iivv> how do i set window colors for compiz?
[08:41] <tdn> After upgrading to Kubuntu 9.04, ny disk keeps spinning down, when I am not using it. Even when I'm on AC Power. This is very annoying and probably damaging my disk. How do I make it stop?
[08:41] <rojwan> Hello, I've tried everything but still can't get multiple rows on the taskbar. Does anyone know?
[09:03] <owen_> hello yall
[09:04] <owen_> people, may you help me ? :'(
[09:31] <ussuser> Hello! I have the following problem: I installed kubuntu-desktop on my current ubuntu installation. All was working fine but after4 some days suddenly i had no keyboard input. The result is that now ubuntu works ok as well as kde apps in gnome.
[09:31] <ussuser> but when logging into kde the problem exists
[09:32] <ussuser> I appreciate your help guys
[09:34] <ussuser> What should I do?
[09:36] <ussuser> Can anyone give some help ?
[09:38] <ussuser> ok , wish a good day to everyone, i don't have any time to wait
[09:55] <valeria> hello i have problems with showing files and accessing files via Dolphin using Jaunty Jackalope release.How can I fix it manually?
[09:58] <khadafi> help me please
[09:58] <khadafi> i have get a error for my ubuntu 8.10
[09:58] <khadafi> Processing was halted because there were too many errors.
[09:58] <khadafi> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[09:58] <khadafi> what must i do
[09:58] <khadafi> ?
[09:59] <tdn> After upgrading to Kubuntu 9.04, ny disk keeps spinning down, when I am not using it. Even when I'm on AC Power. This is very annoying and probably damaging my disk. How do I make it stop?
[10:06] <ubuntu___> hi
[10:11] <khadafi> help me please
[10:11] <khadafi> <khadafi> i have get a error for my ubuntu 8.10
[10:11] <khadafi> <khadafi> Processing was halted because there were too many errors.
[10:11] <khadafi> <khadafi> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[10:11] <khadafi> <khadafi> what must i do
[10:11] <khadafi> <khadafi> ?
[10:11] <Mamarok> khadafi: that is an error in kpackagekit, you can use the command line for updating
[10:12] <Mamarok> tdn: what do you mean, keeps spinning down?
[10:14] <Mamarok> tdn: you can try changing the Guidance power Manager settings in systemsettings -> Advanced tab -> Power management
[10:16] <khadafi> dog
[10:16] <khadafi> sorry wrong room
[10:18] <khadafi> Mamarok: i must update kpackagekit
[10:18] <khadafi> ?
[10:19] <Mamarok> khadafi: no, I think it is a bug, but you can use the command line with sudo apt-get to install and update your system
[10:25] <khadafi> Mamarok : but i still have get same error
[10:26] <khadafi>  dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/dash_0.5.4-9ubuntu1.1_i386.deb (--unpack):
[10:26] <khadafi>  files list file for package `libiptcdata0' is missing final newline
[10:26] <khadafi> Errors were encountered while processing:
[10:26] <khadafi>  /var/cache/apt/archives/dash_0.5.4-9ubuntu1.1_i386.deb
[10:26] <khadafi> Processing was halted because there were too many errors.
[10:26] <khadafi> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[10:26] <Mamarok> !paste | khadafi
[10:26] <Mamarok> please, read your topic!!!
[10:26] <khadafi> ok
[10:26] <Mamarok> khadafi: what are you updating?
[10:29] <khadafi> mamarok : i am write apt-get upgrade in my terminal
[10:29] <khadafi> http://paste.ubuntu.com/183528/ my error
[10:30] <Mamarok> khadafi: still, what are you running right now? I have seen no updates for dash
[10:31] <Mamarok> !info dash
[10:32] <Mamarok> khadafi: are you trying to do a version upgrade?
[10:32] <khadafi> no
[10:33] <khadafi> i am try install a package
[10:33] <khadafi> apt-get install javacc
[10:33] <khadafi> but i have get that error
[10:33] <Mamarok> khadafi: what version of Kubuntu do you have now?
[10:33] <Mamarok> 8.10?
[10:34] <khadafi> yes ..
[10:34] <Mamarok> khadafi: and you are using the dash shell?
[10:34] <khadafi> i am newbie in ubuntu
[10:34] <khadafi> im using C shell
[10:34] <khadafi> sometimes bourne
[10:35] <Mamarok> khadafi: default is bash, so normally you do not use dash, so you can ignore that error IMHO
[10:35] <Mamarok> there seems to be an error in the dependency
[10:36] <khadafi> what must i do??
[10:36] <Mamarok> khadafi: nothing, unless you intend to use dash, but if you are a newbie stay with bash :)
[10:36] <Mamarok> khadafi: you are using KDE, right?
[10:37] <khadafi> GNOME..
[10:39] <Mamarok> khadafi: then you should go to #ubuntu for support, here it's Kubuntu and KDE :)
[10:39] <khadafi> oke thank's
[10:40] <khadafi> cowie
[10:40] <khadafi> see u
[10:40] <khadafi> hehehe
[11:08] <juan__> hi
[11:10] <juan__> spanich
[11:16] <Mamarok> !es | juan__
[11:17] <cemunal> will not i use nvidia 71* series drivers with latest xorg version?
[11:21] <Mamarok> cemuwhat version of Kubuntu do you have now, 8.10?
[11:21] <Mamarok> arghs, wrong nick, sry
[11:35] <wangyuan> hello!!!
[11:35] <jrrr> hi
[11:36] <wangyuan> hehe ,this is my first use IRC...
[11:36] <luke> welcome to the web :) lol
[11:37] <wangyuan> thank you!!
[11:37] <wangyuan> :)
[11:37] <luke> well this is my first time on IRC using linux
[11:37] <luke> :P
[11:37] <wangyuan> me too! :)
[11:38] <luke> its weird making the transition from windows to ubuntu
[11:38] <wangyuan> what are you come from luke?
[11:38] <luke> australia
[11:38] <luke> how about u?
[11:39] <wangyuan> china
[11:39] <luke> cool
[11:39] <wangyuan> 谢谢！！
[11:39] <luke> see, how good is the internet. i just met someone from china who i'd never come across in real life
[11:40] <luke> woah...can't read chinese lol
[11:40] <Do0odz> I have a Q ... if I have a broken package .. I cant install anything ???!!!
[11:41] <wangyuan> yeah!
[11:41] <wangyuan> what is a Q
[11:41] <wangyuan> Q4?
[11:41] <Tm_T> Do0odz: depends on the borken package
[11:41] <Tm_T> wangyuan: he means question
[11:42] <luke> actually i have a question too. i'm a first time user of ubuntu, just managed to do all the updates and did getp-apt install desktop-kubuntu to check out the other ...style? do you call it a style?...anyways it installed and now the boot screen has changed to blue and the login window is different but its still the exact same desktop.
[11:42] <Do0odz> Tm_T : flashplugin-nonfree !! ( after an upgrade to jaunty !)
[11:43] <wangyuan> sorry my english is not good
[11:43] <Tm_T> luke: you have to select desktop session type in login screen
[11:43] <Tm_T> Do0odz: can you be more specific how it is broken?
[11:44] <luke> oh, i must have missed that. cheers! brb
[11:44] <hippo> the image displayed when you boot is different in Ubuntu, Kubuntu and Xubuntu.
[11:45] <Do0odz> Tm_T : when i -f install I get this error msg .. http://pastebin.com/m1e87712b
[11:45] <Tm_T> Do0odz: hmm, so have you tried to reinstall it?
[11:45] <hippo> If you install everything, you will see the latest you installed when you boot.
[11:45] <Do0odz> Tm_T : I tried removing it by synaptic .. I cant !! .. and even from the files in usr I also cant delete the files :| !!!
[11:46] <Tm_T> hippo: to who you're speaking to?
[11:46] <Do0odz> Tm_T : I triiied it all :'( !!! .. I cant install wicd as I cant connect wirelessly due to that broken package :@ !!!
[11:46] <hippo> I explained to luke what happends to him bootscreen.
[11:47] <hippo> his
[11:47] <Tm_T> hippo: he is not here (:)
[11:47] <hippo> yep, sorry.
[11:48] <Tm_T> Do0odz: did you try to reinstall the broken package?
[11:48] <Do0odz> Tm_T : yes I tried reinstalling / removing anything u can imagine lol
[11:48] <wangyuan> my grub  have some problem ,power on PC, will says 'error 18'
[11:49] <Do0odz> Tm_T : Actually I cant reinstall it that option i cant do in synaptic its not clickable lol
[11:49] <Do0odz> Tm_T : I can either remove or completely remove
[11:50] <Tm_T> Do0odz: try reinstall that broken package using commandline
[11:50] <hippo> http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/Stage2-errors.html#Stage2-errors
[11:52] <Guest12433> Does anyone know how I could connect an MTP device, namely a creative ZEN, without using amarok. I am aiming to copy all my music to my PC, and amarok doesn't seem to like it.
[11:52] <maco> Guest12433, um...i know it works with rhythmbox, but i cant guarantee it's any better than amarok in large volumes
[11:52] <Guest12433> Ok
[11:53] <Guest12433> I'll try it
[11:53] <wangyuan> thank you!!
[11:53] <wangyuan> hehe
[11:57] <Guest12433> Could I use wine to install the Zen explorer thing?
[12:00] <Guest12433> And rhythmbox fails aswell, but thanks for the suggestion
[12:04] <Mamarok> Guest12433: MTP support for Amarok is work in progress, ask on #amarok
[12:05] <Guest12433> do you know about wine and the zen explorer?
[12:09] <Mamarok> Guest66730: no, sorry
[12:09] <Mamarok> Guest66730: don't know the Ten, but does it have a UDS port?
[12:09] <Mamarok> Zen
[12:10] <faileas> Mamarok: newer zen?
[12:10] <faileas> or an older model? there's a zen specific media manager called gnomad2
[12:11] <Mamarok> faileas: it's not me who has a Zen :)
[12:11] <faileas> ahh
[12:12]  * faileas used to have one, and i got it sorta working on linux ;p
[12:12] <Mamarok> Guest66730: if it has an USB port you can mount it as a simple USB device
[12:12] <faileas> i currently have an ipod, but thats cause its got a lot more space than anything else on the market
[12:12] <Mamarok> and use it through the "Files" tab in Amarok2
[12:13] <faileas> Mamarok: incorrect. Depends on the model, but most hard drive based models, and larger flash based models use MTP or some other propetary protocol
[12:13] <Mamarok> faileas: I said "if"...
[12:14] <faileas> Mamarok: even if it has a USB port, it may not have mass storage support
[12:23] <Mamarok> faileas: didn't know that, but I never owned such a device
[12:23] <faileas> Mamarok: ;)
[12:24] <Mamarok> faileas: anyway, we have a GSoC student who works on this now so it should be mostly solved at the end of the summer
[12:25] <faileas> lol
[12:25] <faileas> one would hope
[12:25] <faileas> Creative sucks in terms of open source support
[12:27] <wissam> i lost my system tray how can i got it again???
[12:28] <Mamarok> wissam: only the tray, not the panel?
[12:28] <Mamarok> wissam: which Kubuntu do you have?
[12:28] <wissam> kubuntu 9.10
[12:29] <wissam> the panel is there
[12:29] <wissam> but tried to move it i lost my system tray
[12:29] <wissam> the clock and other things
[12:30] <Mamarok> 9.10 is Karmic Koala, totally Alpha
[12:30] <Mamarok> wissam: you mean 8.10 I guess
[12:30] <wissam> no
[12:30] <wissam> 9.10
[12:30] <wissam> iam sure
[12:30] <Dragonslicer> wissam- did you try adding the plasmoid back to the panel?
[12:31] <wissam> how can i do this
[12:31] <wissam> ??
[12:31] <Dragonslicer> There's nothing special about the system tray. It's just another plasmoid
[12:31] <Dragonslicer> Same as any other
[12:31] <Dragonslicer> Panel Options -> Add Widgets
[12:32] <wissam> yes
[12:33] <Mamarok> wissam: you should not run 9.10 in a productive system, you know that, do you? and there is no support for it here, discussion about Karmic is in #ubuntu+1
[12:33] <wissam> oh really?
[12:33] <wissam> i didnt know
[12:33] <wissam> i have some broblems with it
[12:33] <Mamarok> wissam: Alpha is never for productive systems...
[12:33] <wissam> i cant run a vmware for example
[12:34] <Mamarok> wissam: please take this discussion to #ubuntu+1
[12:34] <faileas> wissam: vmware kernel support tends to lag behind. Generally you can't expect it to work on a newly released release, let alone a alpha
[12:34] <Mamarok> wissam: and this should not astonish you, it's early development, so things break a lot
[12:35] <Mamarok> anywa<y, folks, Karmic discussions belong to #ubuntu+1, please respect that
[12:35] <wissam> yes
[12:35] <wissam> ok
[12:35] <wissam> thank you all
[12:35] <Mamarok> yaw :)
[12:38] <Idhan> hi, I want to buy a tv-card, any recomandation suggestion to get it work on linux and windows?
[12:42] <satch> hi all - I have aa  creative x-fi elite pro and of course, using the latest creative driverss for it - i have  no volume control - kmix  shows up in hte process list but there's  no icon for it in the tray  and runningg kmixctrl from the console gives  me errors says it can't find PCM:0
[12:42] <satch> can   someone offer some suggestions on what to do ?
[12:44] <satch> anyone ?
[12:45] <soaresnet> oi
[13:31] <Idhan> any advice for a tv-card?
[13:32] <berts> hola!!!
[13:39] <eurythmia> hey, I'm running jaunty, and I have an ati radeon hd 3450, running with the fglrx module, in my xorg.conf I have : Option "EnableRandR12" "false" # and I still can't get extended desktop, when I run "aticonfig --dtop=horizontal --overlay-on=1" it writes out the config, but I still only get mirrored displays. Could somebody please help me get my extended, or big, desktop?
[13:40] <LadyNikon> Idhan: that is the vaguest question of the hour
[13:52] <Idhan> LadyNikon: so, what is you point?
[13:52] <Idhan> considering that people able to answer that question could joint this channel
[13:53] <LadyNikon> the point is.. do you have an actual question.. cause you said "any advice for tv-card"
[13:54] <LadyNikon> Idhan: what type of tv card? what version of kubuntu are you using? what advise do you need?
[13:56] <Idhan> well, very simple, should work on kubuntu 9.04 preferably out of the box
[13:57] <LadyNikon> ok.
[13:58] <oDuda> hello all !
[13:58] <oDuda> anybody knows about kubuntu and LTSP ?
[13:59] <eurythmia> Idhan, oDuda : http://catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
[14:00] <oDuda> eurythmia wrong question in wrong plase ? sorry ...
[14:00] <oDuda> place*
[14:03] <oDuda> LTSP and (k)ubuntu ?
[14:04] <oDuda> Ursinha ? portuguese ?
[14:04] <Ursinha> oDuda, yes
[14:04] <Ursinha> well
[14:05] <Ursinha> I speak portuguese
[14:05] <Ursinha> but am brazilian
[14:05] <oDuda> ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh me too !
[14:05] <Ursinha> :)
[14:05] <oDuda> you work with *buntu ?
[14:05] <oDuda> from where Ursinha ?
[14:06] <Ursinha> oDuda, I work at Canonical
[14:06] <Ursinha> but with Launchpad :)
[14:06] <oDuda> Canonical is not in Africa?
[14:08] <luke> hi, i'm messing around with themes and each time i install one it only appears under 'custom' so when i click on another theme the installed one disappears. i try to install again and it says error cant move directory over directory
[14:08] <oDuda> Ursinha is there ?
[14:09] <Ursinha> oDuda, oh no :)
[14:09] <Ursinha> Mark is
[14:09] <Ursinha> Canonical has offices in some countries, but the main office is in London
[14:09] <Ursinha> I'm at Barcelona in UDS right now
[14:09] <oDuda> oh cool !
[14:10] <oDuda> from wich state are you in Brazil ?
[14:12] <oDuda> LTSP running under *buntu please !
[14:17] <oDuda> Ursinha ?
[14:18]  * genii makes some coffee
[14:19] <Idhan> oDuda: http://beginlinux.com/server_training/linux-terminal-server/126-linux-terminal-server/1053-ltsp-on-ubuntu-804
[14:21] <oDuda> Idhan thanks !
[14:24] <Idhan> oDuda: np :=)
[14:27] <eurythmia> oDuda, it's not that it was the wrong place, it's that it wasn't a good question.
[14:27] <eurythmia> (back from before I disappeared, sorry)
[14:40] <annma> hi people
[14:41] <jussi01> hi annma
[14:41] <annma> anyone would know why bubblemon in panel does not want to be removed and keeps coming back please?
[14:43] <annma> anyone???
[14:44] <annma> there's a simple reason to it
[14:44] <annma> but I forgot it
[14:44] <annma> and we keep having users about it in  #kde
[14:44] <Tm_T> I have no idea
[14:44] <annma> someone has
[14:45] <annma> I was givenan explanation some time ago
[14:45] <jussi01> annma: what do you mean by "bubblemon" ?
[14:45] <annma> bubblemon plasmoid on kde4
[14:46] <jussi01> ahh, no idea, sorry, ive not seen that before. Mamarok, tsimpson you around/seen that?
[14:47] <Mamarok> jussi01: here!
[14:47] <annma> Mamarok: ah I need you
[14:47] <Mamarok> never used bubblemon to be honest
[14:47] <Mamarok> annma: what's the problem?
[14:48] <annma> it seems that when you put it in panel and remove it, it keeps coming back
[14:48] <annma> in karmik
[14:48]  * Mamarok doesn't use karmic
[14:48] <annma> I acn't reproduce in trunk and I know there is an explanation
[14:48] <annma> but I forgot the explanation
[14:48] <Mamarok> annma: maybe the devs in -devel would know
[14:51] <oDuda> eurythmia thank you
[14:53] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[14:53] <Mamarok> hi BluesKaj :)
[14:53]  * genii makes more coffee
[14:53] <BluesKaj> hey Mamarok :)
[14:54]  * BluesKaj hands coffees to genii and Mamarok
[14:54] <genii> Woohoo! Caffeine!
[14:54]  * Mamarok distributes chocolate cookies
[14:54] <xp-killer> hi how do i find my bookmarks and my deb files to save on an external hdd?
[14:54]  * maco noms
[14:55] <maco> xp-killer, your debs are in /var/cache/apt/archives
[14:55] <maco> bookmarks vary by browser
[14:55] <Mamarok> xp-killer: in the broswer, go to the bookmarks menu, there is a bookmark editing option which will allow you to export those
[14:55] <Mamarok> should be available in all browser I think
[14:56] <genii> xp-killer: All your deb files of installed stuff should be in /var/cache/apt/archives    your firefox bookmarks in ~/.mozilla/firefox/*.default in a file called bookmarks.html
[14:56] <xp-killer> maco: i dont have the menu stuff since i update everything went haywire
[14:57] <genii> If you've ran apt-get clean you may not have a complete .deb listing in the cache, so be warned
[14:57] <xp-killer> genii: the deb i got but it's the konqueror bookmarks im looking for
[14:58] <jussi01> !clone
[14:58] <genii> xp-killer: Konq bookmarks are in ~/.kde/share/apps/konqueror/
[14:59] <jussi01> and the bookmarks file needs to be exported, open firefox, bookmarks, organise bookmarks, import and backup, export html
[15:00] <natschil> hello, does anyone know a plasma theme that looks a little like the default ubuntu theme?
[15:00] <oDuda> Idhan do you use that link about ltsp ? appears to be out of service...
[15:01] <Mamarok> natschil: did you check on kde-look.org?
[15:01] <Mamarok> natschil: although you will have to install it through the systemsettings -> appearance -> theme
[15:02] <oDuda> ldhan Idhan do you use that link about ltsp ? appears to be out of service...
[15:03] <natschil> Mamarok: I'll check on kde-look.org, I've checked there before, but the majority of the themes seem to be dark ones, and as there are quite a lot, I was wondering if anyone knew whether an ubuntu plasma theme existed.
[15:04] <xp-killer> genii: i dont see the names of the web pages i save in ~/.kde/share/apps/konqueror/
[15:04] <Mamarok> natschil: I don't know of any, no, but anyway, the organge colors are not exactly KDE favorites :)
[15:04] <Mamarok> orange*
[15:04] <BluesKaj> want orange & brown go gnome :)
[15:05] <natschil> Mamarok: I was mainly thinking the panel, but yeah, kde seems to like blue & black more nowadays...
[15:05] <Mamarok> natschil: if it's only for the colors, there are quite a few available
[15:05] <Mamarok> natschil: it always did, Tango and it's derivatives always were mor gnome-related
[15:05] <natschil> BluesKaj: what happened to KDE being so configurable :) I like kde because it lets me use compiz with multiple wallpapers *and* plasmoids and destop icons
[15:06] <BluesKaj> there are more themes etc, but you have to download them
[15:07] <xp-killer> BluesKaj: do u know where i can find my bookmarks to save them?im not seing them  in ~/.kde/share/apps/konqueror/
[15:09] <natschil> where are plasma themes stored?
[15:09] <Mamarok> xp-killer: they have to be there, look for a *.xml file
[15:09] <Mamarok> natschil: in /usr/share/
[15:09] <Mamarok> probably themes
[15:09] <Tm_T> if selfinstalled, then in users homedir
[15:10] <Tm_T> selfinstalled = used gethotnewstuff (orwhatsitcalled)
[15:10] <natschil> Mamarok: where in /usr/share ?
[15:10] <Mamarok> natschil: check for a themes or plasma folder there, wait...
[15:10] <xp-killer> Mamarok: yea that xml file is there but when i clic on to to see if the bookmarks are ritten down in it it has nothing in it but some msg with an error
[15:10] <v3ctor> natschil: have you tried blubuntu to replace the oragne and brown theme?
[15:11] <v3ctor> s/oragne/orange/
[15:11] <natschil> v3ctor: I like the orange and brown theme though
[15:11] <xp-killer> XML parsing error
[15:11] <xp-killer> fatal parsing error: the document is not in the correct file format in line 811, column 71
[15:11] <xp-killer>     <bookmark:icon name="favicons/answers.launchpad.net_@@_launchpad" />
[15:12] <xp-killer> oh sorry
[15:12] <xp-killer> Mamarok: thats what in the xml file
[15:12]  * Mamarok gets more coffee
[15:12] <Mamarok> xp-killer: you only have one xml file there?
[15:13] <Mamarok> xp-killer: if it doesn't start with a doctype header it's pretty useless
[15:13] <Mamarok> xp-killer: tried exporting the bookmarks?
[15:14] <xp-killer> Mamarok: i cant konqueror prety mest up since i upgrade
[15:14] <BluesKaj> natschil, right click on the desktop/desktop settings/new theme , go from there
[15:14] <Mamarok> xp-killer: upgrade to what?
[15:14] <xp-killer> only one xml file is there
[15:14] <xp-killer> 9.04
[15:15] <xp-killer> i what to save my stuff to go back to 8.10
[15:15] <Mamarok> xp-killer: works fine here, you didn't move your .kde/ at one time, didn't you?
[15:15] <fehrp> hi
[15:15] <natschil> BluesKaj: thanks for the info, but I'm looking for the actual theme files so I can make my own theme, not for new themes
[15:16] <alarm> hello, i saw some "approaches" of how to install nvidia drivers. they all suggest to the "Hardware drivers" application and install it from there
[15:16] <alarm> unfortunately there are no nvidia drivers to install at all from there
[15:16] <alarm> how else can i install them ?
[15:16] <xp-killer> i did nothing all i did is upgrade then i keep getting this msg on my flat screen not suportive so i had to plug my old screen back to get image when i get it i saw konqueror was missing a lot of stuff
[15:17] <alarm> i own an nvidia G8600
[15:17] <Hagus> What does %boot mean on my Desktop?
[15:18] <Hagus> There is an icon that looks as if it is for a hd or device or something like that.
[15:18] <Hagus> I had previously had fedora10 on my machine.
[15:18] <BluesKaj> natschil, dunno if this is the place to be asking about that roll your own themes :)
[15:18] <Mamarok> xp-killer: if you didn't move the .kde/ folder everything should still be there, unless you used a different folder to store the bookmarks
[15:19] <Mamarok> natschil: go to the #plasma channel then, you have to compile the themes to be able to use those in KDE4
[15:19] <natschil> Mamarok: thanks
[15:20]  * Mamarok goes for a coffee now
[15:27] <rohan> i am using kde 3.5.10 on kubuntu 8.04. i have ~/eclipse in my $PATH, yet in the run dialog (alt-f2) when i type "eclipse", it says command not found
[15:27] <rohan> what can i do to run eclipse from run dialog?
[15:28] <xp-killer> can i install linux 1st then put back my xp hdd then install the grub?
[15:29] <rohan> xp-killer: yes
[15:31] <xp-killer> rohan: you shore?
[15:31] <rohan> xp-killer: yes, i am sure.
[15:31] <xp-killer> ok if it doesnt work im coming to hunt u down >_<
[15:31] <rohan> xp-killer: hang on for a moment
[15:31] <xp-killer> let the downgrade begin back to 8.10
[15:32] <rohan> xp-killer: read this - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[15:34] <xp-killer> rohan: ok
[15:39] <BluesKaj> rohan you may have to kdesudo eclipse in the run box if you installed it as root
[15:39] <MarshWiggle> hello
[15:40] <BluesKaj> !hi | MarshWiggle
[15:41] <MarshWiggle> off the top of your heads, which program should i look into for ripping and encoding to mp3?
[15:43] <BluesKaj> I use soundkonverter , MarshWiggle
[15:43] <BluesKaj> !ripping
[15:43] <BluesKaj> !mp3
[15:43] <MarshWiggle> thanks heaps
[16:00] <ati> hello
[16:01] <ati> i started to read a plasmoid tutorial but at the end a i don know what i have to do
[16:01] <ati> t
[16:02] <ati> here is it
[16:02] <ati> http://techbase.kde.org/Development/Tutorials/Plasma/GettingStarted
[16:02] <ati> can anybody help me?
[16:09] <xp-killer> yee long live 8.10
[16:09] <xp-killer> maco:
[16:10] <xp-killer> can u give me back the website how to install the grub i lost it
[16:29] <tntat> hi all, i cant get compiz to work in kubuntu 9.04, any one have any idea wot to do?
[16:30] <handx> compiz is for ubuntu,you can go to appnr.com to get one for kubuntu
[16:30] <tntat> i installed it allready, but i cant get cube to work
[16:31] <handx> maybe you install the wrong driver
[16:32] <BluesKaj> handx, join #compiz
[16:35] <tntat> wot driver do i need?
[16:36] <handx> drivers for nvidia is easy to install buy for ati is difficult
[16:41] <ahmos> hi, is there a wifi program that can map al hosts around me and the distance if possible?
[17:01] <Tupac_Shakur> sup
[17:03] <Tupac_Shakur> kubuntu 9.04=shit
[17:03] <Pici> Is the language really necessary?
[17:03] <oDuda> somebody knows something about *ubuntu and LTSP ?
[17:07] <Hagus> Pici: short answer is No.  Long answer is Not at all :)
[17:07]  * Hagus is happy enough with his 9.04
[17:08] <Tupac_Shakur> 9.04.............
[17:10] <phh> Tupac_Shakur: for me kubuntu 9.10 works already better than 9.04 /o\
[17:18] <lago> part
[17:18] <pape> comment installer ofice sur ubuntu
[17:19] <pape> aider moi
[17:19] <xp-killer> lol
[17:22] <Mamarok> !fr | pape
[17:24] <admin__> Bonjour à tous :)
[17:24] <Peti> Hi
[17:26] <Peti> I'm having some issues with Kubuntu 4.2, just installed it a couple days ago. Everything is beautiful, I'm thinking about switching over to it from Windows 7, but there's one problem: it keeps on freezing on me about 5-10 minutes after logging in. It started after I enabled my Nvidia Geforce Go 7200 graphics card, and then just continued. Is there anyways we could fix that?
[17:32] <Mamarok> Peti: Kubuntu 9.04 you mean I guess
[17:34] <oDuda> im just downloading ubuntu 9.04. It have some issue ?
[17:37] <Peti> yes, thats it mamarok
[17:38] <Peti> Ill be right back in 15, someone needs picking up
[17:38] <Mamarok> Peti: what driver for Nvidia do you use, those from the repositories?
[17:55] <alarm> hello, where can i download and install adobes flash player for 64bit ?
[17:55] <Mamarok> alarm: from the restricted repositories AFAIK
[17:56] <Mamarok> !flash
[17:56] <alarm> well, i remember a few months ago there was an issue as the flash player was for 32bit
[17:56] <alarm> and it was crashing sometimes
[17:56] <Mamarok> alarm: the package is called flashpllugin-installer
[17:57] <Mamarok> flashplugin-installer even
[17:57] <alarm> ok i will check that
[17:57] <Mamarok> alarm: a few month ago is not now, I have that plugin and it works
[17:57] <alarm> :)
[17:57] <sheytan_> Hi. i've got a problem with kubuntu 9.04 live cd mode. when i start it, then starts the kde splash screen, it comes to the globe icon, then the screen just turns black with a small blue square. what can be the problem?
[17:58] <Mamarok> sheytan_: I guess your graphic card is not supported
[17:58] <alarm> one question
[17:58] <andreelys> cheers guys.. 1 question.. i just freshly installed kubuntu 9.04 .. but i have problems with my video driver..
[17:58] <alarm> ia32libs , nspluginwrapper , what are all those things that need to be installed ?
[17:59] <andreelys> the video card is VIA Technologies, Inc. K8M800/K8N800/K8N800A[S3 UniChrome Pro] (rev 01)
[17:59] <Mamarok> alarm: libraries
[17:59] <alarm> i need so many things just for a .so to work ?
[18:00] <sheytan_> Mamarok: is gf 7600 i guess ( it's my freind computer so i'm not sure), and i think that it should works?
[18:00] <tsimpson> alarm: .so is a shared library (DLL), it has things it depends on
[18:00] <Mamarok> sheytan_: well, not with the desktop effects I fear
[18:00] <Mamarok> alarm: seriousley, I don't know, wait, I'll check the dependencies
[18:01] <alarm> hold on a second
[18:01] <sheytan_> Mamarok: the desktop effects are disabled by default, so they're not running
[18:01] <alarm> why should this then work
[18:01] <alarm> wget http://download.macromedia.com/pub/labs/flashplayer10/libflashplayer-10.0.22.87.linux-x86_64.so.tar.gz && tar xvfz libflashplayer-10.0.22.87.linux-x86_64.so.tar.gz
[18:01] <alarm> udo mv libflashplayer.so /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so
[18:01] <alarm> all it seems doing here is just coping the .so file
[18:01] <alarm> no libraries...
[18:01] <Mamarok> alarm: it did install those for me too, so I guess yes
[18:02] <alarm> then why do u tell me about the repo plugin ?
[18:02] <alarm> dont get it
[18:02] <Mamarok> sheytan_: then something else is wrong, but usually if the live CD doesn't work, then the intsll will not work neither
[18:02] <Peti> Mamarok: yes, from the repos. I'm a newbie when it comes to Linux, so I just typed in nvidia, downloaded and installed a graphics card analyzer, and then installed what it recommended. The OS immediately froze then, I had to force shut it down, and kept on freezing 5-15 minutes after logging in.
[18:03] <tsimpson> alarm: because the package pulls in the 32bit plugin, as the 64bit one has stability issues
[18:03] <Mamarok> alarm: check what the nspluginwrapper is, you will see
[18:03] <sheytan_> Mamarok: my friend just want to test kubuntu, so i tell her to try the live cd mode. For me it works well. Can it be that the iso did burn wrong?
[18:04] <Mamarok> sheytan_: no, if it works on your PC then the ISO is ok, I guess it's his graphics card that has no driver, I wouldn't install it on that PC
[18:04] <Mamarok> s/his/her
[18:05] <sheytan_> Mamarok: it's other iso then my
[18:05] <Mamarok> Peti: you are alway better off with the drivers that come with the distribution, at least those are tested
[18:05] <Mamarok> sheytan_: then check with your CD, you will know then
[18:06] <Peti> Mamarok: I don't think those installed with my graphics card, the screen was very sluggish until after I installed one from the repo. Is there a way I can uninstall the repo one and install the distribution one?
[18:06] <sheytan_> she lives about 20 km far from me, so it's not so simple. but i'll tell her to download another one and burn it again with slower speed
[18:07] <Mamarok> Peti: the repositories you have ar those of Kubuntu, hence the distribution, and those are tested to work
[18:07] <Mamarok> Peti: usually the correct driver is installed by default
[18:08]  * Mamarok needs to restart her konsole, can't read my screen anymore, bbl
[18:08] <Mamarok> oh, it's gone :)
[18:09] <Peti> Mamarok: hmm...should I try reinstalling the whole OS? The first time I installed I didn't have internet, so maybe it couldn't update?
[18:09] <Mamarok> Peti: define what is the distribution package for you please, I think there is some confusion here
[18:10] <Mamarok> Peti: also no, this is not windows, you do not have to do fresh installs because one thing is sloppy :)
[18:10] <Peti> Mamarok: at first I thought the distribution package was straight from the CD, but now I'm not so sure
[18:10] <Peti> Mamarok: Great! :D
[18:11] <jmho> hi, I've got font problems with kubuntu 9.10 alpha, is here the right place to ask?
[18:11] <Mamarok> Peti: Kubuntu si the distribution, and the repositories are distribution provided, so what Nvidia driver are we talking about here?
[18:11] <Mamarok> jmho: it's Alpha software and expected to break, discussion is in #ubuntu+1
[18:11] <jmho> Mamarok: ok, thx
[18:12] <Mamarok> yaw :)
[18:13] <Peti> Well, the driver is Nvidia Geforce Go 7200.
[18:13] <Peti> (just confirmed it on Device Manager)
[18:14] <Mamarok> Peti: where did you download it from?
[18:14] <Peti> Add/Remove software under Utilities in Kubuntu
[18:14] <hgg> Hi - are ubuntu machines susceptible to viruses.. My system has suddenly slowed down considerably..
[18:15] <Mamarok> Peti: what version is it then? If you are using 9.04 it should be the Nvidia 180 driver
[18:15] <hgg> How do I check if I have any>
[18:15] <Tm_T> hgg: first off, how it is slower?
[18:15] <Mamarok> hgg: no, usually not, slow down can have different reasons
[18:16] <Peti> Mamarok: I'm pretty sure that's the version I'm using. Not on Kubuntu right now
[18:16] <hgg> every window is taking a lot more time to change to.. and the screen dims for some time..
[18:16] <hgg> i was never experiencing it till today..
[18:17] <Mamarok> hgg: do you have enough disk space for /home and / ?
[18:17] <hgg> yes.. i checked that
[18:18] <hgg> is there any standard Antivirus software that I should have installed?
[18:19] <BluesKaj> !virus | hgg
[18:19] <Mamarok> hgg: I don't think it's a virus, more like a process running wild on your system
[18:19] <Mamarok> hgg: type top in a konsole and look at which application uses most CPU
[18:20] <Peti> I'll be right back, going to login to Kubuntu to check drivers
[18:20] <Mamarok> Peti: then try tweaking your desktop effects, etc
[18:20] <aa3b> Oh noes! He is here too!
[18:20] <hgg> Xorg
[18:21] <Mamarok> aa3b: behave!
[18:21] <hgg> is using most CPU
[18:21] <Mamarok> hgg: and the second one?
[18:21] <FernandoLB> Hello. Is it possible to install kde 4.3 beta on Kubntu 9.04 ?
[18:21] <hgg> currently synaptic.. keeps changing
[18:21] <Mamarok> FernandoLB: ye, but its only recommended for really experienced users, there are some dependency problems
[18:22] <Mamarok> hgg: are you installing something?
[18:22] <Mamarok> hgg: synaptic should not run default, only if you are installing something
[18:22] <hgg> i was just downloading clamav because of the slowdown
[18:23] <Mamarok> hgg: we already told you, there is no virus, I use Linux since +10 years and have never senn a virus
[18:23] <Mamarok> hgg: also, Kubuntu is by default a secure system, the problem is elsewhere
[18:23] <Mamarok> seen* even
[18:23] <hgg> thats good news :)
[18:23] <Mamarok> hgg: are you running more than one user session?
[18:23] <hgg> I use ubuntu..
[18:23] <hgg> no
[18:23] <kaddi> hello :)
[18:24] <Mamarok> hgg: right now you are running Gnome?
[18:24] <hgg> yes
[18:24] <aa3b> ... lol
[18:24] <FernandoLB> Mamarok: Hmm. I already used archlinux, gentoo and openbsd. Not sure whether I'm able to handle this dependencies thing. Are these dependencies on the repositories ?
[18:24] <Mamarok> hgg: then ask in #ubuntu, we do support for KDE here only
[18:24] <hgg> oh ok .. sorry
[18:25] <Mamarok> FernandoLB: well, if one knows how to look for the packages that are missing and on how to use dpkg -i --force-overwrite if there are conflicts, you can give it a try
[18:25] <Mamarok> aa3b: what is so funny here?
[18:25] <hgg> one more question.. is ubuntu less secure ?
[18:25] <Tm_T> hgg: nope
[18:26] <FernandoLB> Mamarok: Thanks.
[18:26] <hgg> ok thanx
[18:26] <Mamarok> hgg: read what I said above, Linux is a secure system by default, unless you open it deliverately
[18:26] <Mamarok> FernandoLB: yaw :)
[18:27] <Mamarok> deliberately even...
[18:27] <aa3b> Mamarok: nvm :x
[18:27] <FernandoLB> :)
[18:27] <Mamarok> FernandoLB: once installed it runs great, runs here currently, shiny
[18:30] <ToreadorVampire> Hey all ... random question about an Ubuntu problem I've bee having for a while - and even had in Hardy ... in both Hardy and Jaunty I have ended up solving it the same way (abandon the package manger, install the software myself) ... but what's the deal with bugfixes in repository software?
[18:30] <ToreadorVampire> ... in this exact situation - the repository software was the nvidia GPU driver - both back when I was using Hardy and now I've started using Jaunty - the first thing I did was to install the repository version of the driver ...
[18:31] <Mamarok> ToreadorVampire: security fixes are sent to the security repository, new versions to backports, everything else in the default repositories
[18:31] <FernandoLB> What is the difference between flashplugin-installer and flashplugin-nonfree ?
[18:31] <Mamarok> so if there is a bugfix available for your version, you will get an update notfication
[18:31] <Mamarok> FernandoLB: one is a transitional package, the current is the flashplugin-intaller
[18:32] <FernandoLB> Mamarok: Do you mean, just the name change ?
[18:32] <ToreadorVampire> ... in both cases the repository version had bugs which affected me, and whilst nvidia had released a bugfixed version of the driver a long time ago, there was nothing new in the repos, no update notification etc
[18:32] <Mamarok> FernandoLB: no, one is used for transition to the new package
[18:32] <FernandoLB> :)
[18:33] <ToreadorVampire> And as said - in both situations I ended up just uninstalling the repos drivers and manually installing the ones I got straight from the nvidia website (credit to nvidia, they make their installers very easy to use)
[18:34] <Mamarok> ToreadorVampire: it's a matter of manpower and people available to do the package backports
[18:34] <ToreadorVampire> But - whilst at first I thought "great!, repository-based software installation", it's uncovered a bit of a weakness that I rely on the ubuntu people to make the updated stuff available
[18:35] <Mamarok> ToreadorVampire: if you know how to make deb packages, you are welcome to jump on board and give a hand
[18:35] <ToreadorVampire> Mamarok> Sadly, I don't
[18:35] <Mamarok> ToreadorVampire: well, then you will either have to wait or installe by yourself, sorry, we cannot acheive miracles
[18:35] <ToreadorVampire> I know nothing about Linux packaging ... I'm a developer, but not a desktop app developer, I do web apps (and in C#/mono)
[18:35]  * ToreadorVampire cowers from the inevitible "eww!"
[18:35] <Mamarok> there is a testing and Q&A policy for packages that have to be respected
[18:36] <petike> Hi, I checked and yes the Nvidia driver is 180
[18:36] <Mamarok> ToreadorVampire: you are always free to do what you want, just do not complain about free services :)
[18:36] <petike> I just deactivated both the graphics and wireless drivers...I assume I have to reboot?
[18:37] <Mamarok> petike: no, just run jockey for the Nvidia driver
[18:38] <ToreadorVampire> Mamarok> No, of course ... I'm not /really/ complaining - I was kind of waiting for someone to say:  "Hey, didn't you hear about [XXX repository I hadn't heard of before]"
[18:39] <tdn> After upgrading to Kubuntu 9.04, ny disk keeps spinning down, when I am not using it. Even when I'm on AC Power. This is very annoying and probably damaging my disk. How do I make it stop?
[18:40] <petike> Ok, I'll be right back. Need to reboot to activate it.
[18:41] <Mamarok> tdn: why would this dammage your disk? You have a power management where you can configure your power saving
[18:43] <petike> Restarted...here's hoping that fixes the freezing problem.
[18:44] <ToreadorVampire> petike> Freezing problem?
[18:44] <ToreadorVampire> I think I missed your problem description - what was it?
[18:45] <ToreadorVampire> Because I saw you mention nvidia drivers and I was just having some serious problems with nvidia drivers, which I solved by just ditching the repository-installed driver and installing 185.18.14 from nvidia's FTP
[18:45] <ToreadorVampire> Or was it 183.18.14 ?
[18:46] <ToreadorVampire> No, no, 185.18.14 is the one I just installed
[18:46] <ToreadorVampire> Mamarok> could you PM me petike's problem description please?
[18:47] <ToreadorVampire> Mamarok> Coz he mentioned he had a "freezing problem" and also nvidia driver version 180 (from kubuntu repos) - the exact problem I was having with driver version 180 is that it kept locking up on my and hanging my x server
[18:47] <ToreadorVampire> Ah, petike is back!
[18:47] <petike> Apparently not, removing the graphics driver again. Maybe that does something...
[18:47] <petike> Any other ideas?
[18:48] <Mamarok> petike: check with ToreadorVampire please, he seems to have had a similar problem
[18:48] <ToreadorVampire> petike> What is your problem?  I think I missed when you originally stated it (I came in too late)
[18:50] <petike> ToreadorVampire: I just installed Kubuntu and was planning on switching over from Windows 7. Problem is, after I installed the Nvidia graphics driver (version 180), Kubuntu randomly freezes. Used to let me on 5-10 minutes before doing so, this last time it was around 3. So now I removed the driver and hope that that will solve it...but I would like to install it again, preferably without...
[18:50] <petike> ...having the freezing problem
[18:51] <ToreadorVampire> petike> Yeah - it sounds very much like the problem I had ... I went and spoke to the nvidia dudes about it and their suggestion (which has worked great for me so far) was to remove the ubuntu/repository-installed nvidia driver and manually install the latest nvidia driver from their website
[18:51] <ToreadorVampire> But hang on - will give you more info ...
[18:52] <Mamarok> tdn: did you check your power management in systemsettings ->Desktop and systemsettings -> advanced tab -> Power management?
[18:52] <petike> ToreadorVampire: problem is, I'm a newbie at all things Linux. Only thing I can do is follow directions to type in commands in the terminal and install from the repositories. :P Never figured out how to install manually.
[18:53] <ToreadorVampire> petike> That's fine ... credit to the nvidia guys they made it VERY easy to manually install their drivers ... VERY VERY easy :)
[18:53] <petike> ToreadorVampire: That's great! :D
[18:53] <ToreadorVampire> Step 1) ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/185.18.14/ and take a copy of the file that ends in pkg1.run
[18:54] <ToreadorVampire> petike> Save that somewhere you can find it like on your desktop
[18:54] <petike> ToreadorVampire: package 0 or 1?
[18:54] <ToreadorVampire> package 1 (the bigger one)
[18:56] <ToreadorVampire> Step 2)  grab a writing implement and something to write on, because I'l have to tell you a command that you're going to need to execute in a pure-console environment ...
[18:56] <ToreadorVampire> petike> That command is:  sudo sh Desktop/NVIDIA-Linux-x86-185.18.14-pkg1.run
[18:57] <ToreadorVampire> Damn, he left
[18:57] <ToreadorVampire> Probably lost his xserver again
[18:57]  * ToreadorVampire pastebins the instructions
[18:58] <petike> So apparently removing the driver didn't help, I just froze again.
[18:58] <ToreadorVampire> No, I know, you need to replace it with a new driver version
[18:59] <ToreadorVampire> I'm going to write all of those instructions on a website so that you can refer to them/write them down and not need to worry if your xserver hangs again
[18:59] <petike> ToreadorVampire: Alrighty, its on my desktop. Saved :)
[18:59] <petike> ToreadorVampire: Thanks!
[18:59] <ToreadorVampire> OK - did the download complete before your xserver hung?
[18:59] <petike> no, I just redownloaded
[18:59] <ToreadorVampire> Coz if you have a broken download you could be in trouble ;)
[18:59] <ToreadorVampire> OK,  cool
[19:03] <alarm> hello again. why when i copy from/to a windows partition the transfer rate is SOOOO slow ? meaning of 2-3mb/s ?
[19:03] <alarm> my internet connection is faster than my HDs or what ? :P
[19:04] <Mamarok> alarm: because of the unwillingness of Microsoft to open up specifications for ntfs share completely
[19:05] <alarm> is that for sure ? cause i cant remember on prior versions of debian something like that
[19:05] <alarm> i can remember of rates like 15-30mb/s
[19:06] <alarm> but seeing files being copied sometimes with just kilobytes doesnt sound normal to me
[19:06] <Mamarok> alarm: a line is always as fast as it's weakest point, so if there are speed problems on the other side
[19:06] <ToreadorVampire> http://pastebin.com/m499a6ccb « petike - here you go - here are the full instructions (I rambled a bit, so they look longer than they are)
[19:06] <alarm> what kind of line ?
[19:06] <alarm> dont get you
[19:07] <ToreadorVampire> petike> You might want to write steps 5 and 6 down or print them or something, because at that point you won't be able to get into irc to ask more questions
[19:07] <Mamarok> alarm: ok, you talk of a local HD? how is it mounted then?
[19:07] <alarm> sata
[19:07] <alarm> mounted as ntfs
[19:07] <petike> ToreadorVampire: Thanks a ton man, I'll let you know how it went in a bit. :)
[19:07] <ToreadorVampire> :)
[19:08] <ToreadorVampire> Hopefully that will work for you as well as it did for me :)
[19:08]  * ToreadorVampire is just happy now he has compiz performing well on Jaunty :)
[19:09] <petike> I ran that command from Step 2, and it came back with an error saying I'm running x86_64 while the file is for x86. Is that ok?
[19:09] <ToreadorVampire> Oh
[19:09] <Mamarok> alarm: then I don't know, that should not be much of a problem, as you are copying from ntfs
[19:09] <ToreadorVampire> No, sorry - didn't think that you might be running 64 bit
[19:09] <ToreadorVampire> Sorry
[19:10] <petike> Its all cool
[19:10] <ToreadorVampire> petike> I can direct you to a different file to download
[19:10]  * Mamarok calls it a day, exhausted
[19:10] <alarm> okie
[19:10] <petike> ToreadorVampire: that'd be great.
[19:10] <ToreadorVampire> ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86_64/185.18.14
[19:10] <ToreadorVampire> petike> That's the 64-bit download location
[19:10] <petike> ToreadorVampire: I didn't know I was running 64 bit either, windows said its 32. :)
[19:11] <ToreadorVampire> On that one ... try package2:  "pkg2.run"
[19:11] <petike> Ok, downloading
[19:11] <ToreadorVampire> Hmm, well - I'd think that the nvidia driver installer wouldn't be wrong ...
[19:12] <draik> Is there an app for KDE that helps get a good syntax view for scripting? KATE is ok, but it doesn't show me if I forgot to close a tag or something along those lines.
[19:12] <ToreadorVampire> But of course, try step 2 with that one and hopefully it will confirm that it's the right one
[19:12] <petike> Will do
[19:12] <ToreadorVampire> draik> Have you tried XML[DEBUG]
[19:12] <ToreadorVampire> ?
[19:12] <ToreadorVampire> I mean - the XML DEBUG syntax highlighting option in kate?
[19:13] <draik> ToreadorVampire: No. I've only used F11 for showing the line count.
[19:13] <ToreadorVampire> draik> What are you writing?  HTML?  XHTML?  (you mentioned 'tag')  Or some other markup language?
[19:15] <draik> ToreadorVampire: Sorry, I'm used to HTML so I'm still calling it tags, but I'm writing bash scripts. It's marked for bash scripting, but it won't tell me if I don't have something closed, such as my 'if/fi' and 'case/esac' statements.
[19:18] <tdn> Mamarok, there is nothing about disk spin down in systemsettings ->Desktop and systemsettings -> advanced tab -> Power management?
[19:18] <petike> Going on to step 4, I'll be back in a bit
[19:19] <ToreadorVampire> draik> Ah ... well ... the only thing I have for that is watching the code-folding markers (F9)
[19:20] <eagles0513875> i swear jaunty hates my laptop and my desktop chipset at least the network manager widget is there still the newer version that is in kubuntu-experimental
[19:25] <ToreadorVampire> draik> Or - just try executing the script?
[19:26] <draik> ToreadorVampire: It's for my server and I have to FTP then SSH. Bit of a pain to just find out I missed a ;; or closer.
[19:26] <draik> Yes, I have code-folding markers enabled as well
[19:27] <ToreadorVampire> Which ... brings up an interesting question - does anybody know of a good "bash script sandboxing" environment/application?  Often when we write scripts the only way to really test them is to execute them ... now if it's a script that deals in complex stuff, or it's being executed as root, a runaway script with mistakes could really trash a whole machine ...
[19:27] <ToreadorVampire> ... does anybody know of a good debugging environment that prevents that?  Something that prevents a script from doing things, and instead echos out "what it would have done"
[19:28] <ToreadorVampire> Like:  Script requested to remove directory "FOO" recursively ... Script output 4 lines of text to file "BAR" ...
[19:29] <ToreadorVampire> But prevents it from actually doing those things, so that in the case of a runaway script you don't do a load of damage
[19:34] <Mamarok> tdn: your disk spins down because your power management settings are wrong, you probably ask your system to resume to disk within a few minutes or so, go check those settings.
[19:35] <Mamarok> tdn: also, it would be nice to stay here when you ask a question, so we could handle this immediately, not just paste a question then diaapear for several hours
[19:35] <Mamarok> eagles0513875: there is no swearing here, please!
[19:35] <eagles0513875> i know im just using it s a figure of speech
[19:36] <Mamarok> eagles0513875: don't, you know the rules!
[19:36] <eagles0513875> what im trying to figure out on clean installs of jaunty wifi would work outa the box with the b43-fwcutter and now it wont connect at all to my ap
[19:36] <eagles0513875> i do
[19:36] <eagles0513875> and now the wired is working outa the box by default on jaunty and on my desktop it doesnt
[19:36] <petike> ToreadorVampire: So I'm having some problems, after Step 5 it tells me I need to be in root. How do I switch to root? When I tried rebooting to login as root, it wouldn't accept the password.
[19:37] <ToreadorVampire> No, that's fine
[19:37] <ToreadorVampire> Did you prefix the command with "sudo"
[19:37] <ToreadorVampire> ?
[19:37] <Mamarok> ok, off for tonight
[19:37] <ToreadorVampire> Prefixing a command with sudo tells ubuntu to "become root for this one command, then relinquish root privileges"
[19:38] <ToreadorVampire> When you use sudo it prompts you for a password, but that is just "your normal user password again" (as a confirmation)
[19:38] <ToreadorVampire> I may have missed it from the instructions :s if I did - sorry
[19:38] <petike> This is what I typed in: sh ~/Desktop/NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-185.18.14-pkg2.run
[19:38] <ToreadorVampire> Ah yes
[19:38] <ToreadorVampire> It should start:
[19:38] <ToreadorVampire> sudo sh ~/Desktop/NV ...
[19:39] <petike> Ah, ok. Be right back then!
[19:39] <ToreadorVampire> sorry
[19:39] <petike> Its all good :D
[19:46] <said> hello
[19:46] <petike> Done! Its running smoother now, hopefully the freezes stop :D
[19:46] <ToreadorVampire> petike> Indeed, I hope it helps :)
[19:46] <dqli> hello evry bady
[19:46] <andreelys> hello guys.. whenever i type sudo in the terminal i get this   ”must be setuid root” so im unable to install or run any operations in terminal... how can i fix it?
[19:47] <dqli> I need help
[19:47] <petike> ToreadorVampire: Thank you a ton, now I can go on to migrating all my files from Windows 7 to Kubuntu :D
[19:47] <ToreadorVampire> :D
[19:49] <dqli> I have handy cafe in my ubuntu systeme the problme is there is now pc in the list from my network
[19:49] <gorby> ciao
[19:50] <dqli> I have handy cafe in my ubuntu systeme the problme is there is now pc in the list from my network
[19:50] <dqli> waiting...
[19:51] <dqli> I have handy cafe in my ubuntu systeme the problme is there is now pc in the list from my network
[19:51] <dqli> ????
[19:51] <CVirus> What is the default package manager in Jaunty ?
[19:51] <xenthral> dqli: I don't understand the question/problem
[19:52] <ToreadorVampire> CVirus> kpackagekit
[19:52] <CVirus> ToreadorVampire: thanks
[19:52] <ToreadorVampire> CVirus> It confused me too when I went looking for adept ;)
[19:52] <dqli> cyber cafe manager
[19:52] <dqli> handy cafe server
[19:56] <pulaski> Hello, Why are some upgrades held back when I use apt-get to update my systems available upgrades then use apt-get ugrade to apply any available upgrades?
[19:56] <Dragnslcr> pulaski- I'm not sure exactly why the upgrades are held back, but it's not just you
[19:58] <draik> pulaski: The one thing I've noticed is that it occurs when you have to install other packages; the upgrade package itself isn't the only package that you will be receiving.
[19:58] <dqli> YAB
[19:59] <tdn> Mamarok, sorry, it is because I am using IRC from a screen, and the computer I am working on keeps kernel panic'ing :(
[20:00] <tdn> Mamarok, I have checked the power settings and there is nothing about spinning down my disk.
[20:00] <pulaski> draik: Thanks for the response, that seems logical as I recently did a version upgrade from hardy-h to jaunty-j and that's when certain packages began to show as held back.
[20:01] <tdn> Mamarok, I will try to stay on now. I need to report some bugs...
[20:01] <draik> pulaski: I always see that happen with the kernel packages; same instance. It's downloading more than the listed packages.
[20:01] <draik> Well, the initially mentioned packages, anyway.
[20:02] <pulaski> Thanks draik and Dragnslcr, I guess it's not that important so I'll carry on, cya
[20:02] <draik> You're welcome pulaski
[20:03] <RootRay> hello
[20:04] <RootRay> what's the coolest linux app?
[20:05] <dqli> I have cyber cafe
[20:05] <dqli> in the server pc i have ubuntu and in the others windows xp sp2
[20:05] <dqli> in the server I use ubuntu systeme with handy cafe server
[20:06] <RootRay> what's the benefit of using handy cafe server?
[20:06] <dqli> but in the handy cafe i cant find the client pc
[20:11] <tdn> Mamarok, you there?
[20:14] <linex> hello
[20:14] <dqli> hello
[20:15] <linex> .
[20:15] <dqli> ..
[20:15] <linex> :)
[20:19] <ghoulsblade> hi all, i tried around with gnome a bit today but i still fail to adjust to it, so i'm going back to kde, how can i reinstall kdm instead of gdm for login again ? it was replaced somehow during gnome install
[20:19] <Pici> ghoulsblade: sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm
[20:19] <ghoulsblade> Pici, thanks a lot =D
[20:22] <tdn> After upgrading to Kubuntu 9.04, ny disk keeps spinning down, when I am not using it. Even when I'm on AC Power. This is very annoying and probably damaging my disk. How do I make it stop? I have tried looking in System Settings > Adv > Power Settings, but there is nothing about spinning down the disks.
[20:22] <tdn> I have also tried hdparm -S0
[20:24] <DanDan> hello I do have a very stupid Q ... lol .. whats the command for reinstalling a package ? lol
[20:34] <tdn> DanDan, apt-get install --reinstall <package>
[20:35] <tdn> DanDan, but why do you need to reinstall a package?
[20:35] <DanDan> tdn thnx :) ... do u happen to know anything about fixing / removing a broken package !!? that seems to be too stubborn to even get reinstalled :@
[20:36] <tdn> DanDan, if you need to remove configuration files, you must run dpkg -P <package> && apt-get install <package>
[20:36] <tdn> DanDan, try dpkg -P <package>
[20:36] <DanDan> tdn : since I upgraded to jaunty .. flashplugin-nonfree is broken .. and i cant remove it neither upgrade or do anything !!
[20:37] <tdn> DanDan, does dpkg -P fail?
[20:37] <tdn> DanDan, paste output on http://thomasdamgaard.dk/p/
[20:37] <DanDan> tdn : I keep getting the same errors !
[20:37] <DanDan> tdn : 3 ubuntu users tried to help me and all failed :(
[20:38] <tdn> DanDan, I cannot help you unless you paste your errors on http://thomasdamgaard.dk/paste/
[20:38] <DanDan> tdn ok hold on a sec
[20:41] <DanDan> tdn,http://pastebin.com/m110c89ec
[20:45] <DanDan> tdn u got the link ?
[20:46] <tdn> DanDan, try running apt-get clean && apt-get update && apt-get install --reinstall flashplugin-nonfree
[20:46] <tdn> DanDan, and paste the output
[20:47] <DanDan> I think I tried that before and again nothing worked ( if ur saying that my Drive is full ) but Ill try again
[20:47] <DanDan> tdn
[20:48] <tdn> DanDan, is your drive full. Please paste output of "df -h && df -hi"
[20:51] <DanDan> tdn sorry its taking too long but FF keeps on freezing !!
[20:51] <alonea> ok, is there an easy app to make a dvd with any sort of media files? I have a bunch of avi's I wanted to watch on the dvd player. Or just a converted to mpeg files is ok too. my dvd player reads those.
[20:51] <tdn> DanDan, use http://thomasdamgaard.dk/paste/ it is very lightweight.
[20:51] <tdn> DanDan, consider installing dillo (apt-get install dillo) and use that.
[20:51] <DanDan> tdn this is the clean/install.......output http://pastebin.com/m3ec98af1
[20:52] <ToreadorVampire> Hey all - quick question - how well does kubuntu handle "out of memory" errors?
[20:52] <tdn> DanDan, could you please paste all of the terminal text instead of just the last few lines of output? I would very much like to see all of it. Including the commands you wrote.
[20:53] <ToreadorVampire> I have Jaunty running on a USB stick, and one thing I have noticed is that (because I put my swap partition on that same USB stick) is that paging is pretty darn slow ...
[20:53] <DanDan> tdn ok :)
[20:54] <ToreadorVampire> ... I have 1GB of RAM on this laptop, and I was considering having a go at disabling swap - to see if that speeds things up a little (because the swap on this setup is particularly expensive)
[20:54] <alonea> anyone?
[20:54] <DanDan> tdn http://thomasdamgaard.dk/paste/P1318.html
[20:54] <tdn> ToreadorVampire, don't use swap if you don't needed.
[20:54] <tdn> need it, even.
[20:54] <ToreadorVampire> I could just knock the swap line out of fstab, and I assume that would be enough to disable it as of the next reboot.
[20:54] <tdn> DanDan, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=500229
[20:55] <DanDan> tdn http://thomasdamgaard.dk/paste/P1319.html
[20:55] <ToreadorVampire> But - how good is kubuntu at handling out-of-memory style errors?
[20:55] <ToreadorVampire> I'm not expecting the whole thing to come crashing down if I fill up all of my RAM am I?
[20:55] <tdn> After upgrading to Kubuntu 9.04, ny disk keeps spinning down, when I am not using it. Even when I'm on AC Power. This is very annoying and probably damaging my disk. How do I make it stop? I have tried looking in System Settings > Adv > Power Settings, but there is nothing about spinning down the disks. I tried using hdparm with -S0, but it does not have any effect.
[20:55] <tdn> ToreadorVampire, the kernel handles OOM. And it kills processes in such cases. Please avoid running out of memory.
[20:56] <tdn> ToreadorVampire, no. Not everything crashes. But something will be killed.
[20:56] <ToreadorVampire> Oh, right ... well, that's bad - I had hoped that I'd see something like "not enough RAM to start this new application" error or something like that ...
[20:56] <DanDan> tdn .. thnx ill check it and let u know what happens :)
[20:57] <FuriousGeorge> hey all
[20:57] <ToreadorVampire> Hmm, here's a question then ...
[20:57] <FuriousGeorge> im reading that i need to use the hpijs driver for this printer (hp 7300) but where the heck am i supposed to select that driver?
[20:58] <FuriousGeorge> i have hpijs installed on the server
[20:58] <ToreadorVampire> Can two linux installations share the same swap partition (assuming of course only one of the two is booted at once)?
[20:58] <ToreadorVampire> And assuming I don't do something stupid and hibernate one then try to boot into the other
[20:58] <ToreadorVampire> (I accept that that would invariably be a dumb thing to do if they were sharing the same swap partition)
[21:00] <ToreadorVampire> But otherwise could it be done?  That might make things better, because then I could keep the OS on the USB flash drive and the swap on a real HDD which would be a bit faster
[21:09] <tdn> ToreadorVampire, you could adjust the swappiness so that the kernel will rarely swap programs out.
[21:09] <ToreadorVampire> tdn>  Oh?
[21:09] <tdn> ToreadorVampire, google > linux swapiness
[21:09] <ToreadorVampire> I had just started making preparations for that "move my swap partition to the existing swap partition on my HDD" idea
[21:10] <pedrinhobrito> why network manager isn't attemping to connect to my network?
[21:11] <tdn> ToreadorVampire, which usb device are you using? I thought flash memory was fast enough for swap. Maybe try with a faster flash device?
[21:11] <ToreadorVampire> tdn> Well, it's fast *enough* but when I'm doing something like installing package updates it really starts to chug
[21:11] <DanDan> tdn .. can you plz check this output for me n tell me whats missing or what went wrong :S ... http://thomasdamgaard.dk/paste/P1320.html
[21:12] <ToreadorVampire> And since I have a HDD in this laptop with a swap partition that's not being used (well, not being used if I'm booted into Jaunty) then it seem a waste not to use it
[21:13] <tdn> DanDan, 21:52 < tdn> DanDan, could you please paste all of the terminal text instead of just the last few lines of output? I would very much like to see all of it. Including the commands you wrote.
[21:13] <ToreadorVampire> Well, here goes nothing - have moved my swap partition to my HDD, now to reboot and try it out
[21:13] <tdn> ToreadorVampire, good luck.
[21:14] <DanDan> tdn this it from the beginning http://thomasdamgaard.dk/paste/P1321.html
[21:14] <pedrinhobrito> tdn, have you ever seen this? my network manager won't connect to any network. i've tried at work, at home, at school... is there any command i could run on terminal to connect to my network?
[21:16] <tdn> DanDan, I asked you to paste all the text in the terminal.
[21:16] <tdn> DanDan, there is clearly more text than what you pasted. I cannot see how it terminates.
[21:16] <tdn> Gotta go now.
[21:16] <DanDan> tdn .. its what I did thats the only txts :S
[21:17] <tdn> DanDan, try posting on ubuntuorums.
[21:18] <tdn> DanDan, or try asking in #ubuntu.
[21:18] <pedrinhobrito> tdn, could you please help me?
[21:18] <manuel_> italian channel_
[21:18] <manuel_> _
[21:18] <manuel_> ?
[21:18] <DanDan> tdn .. I tried ! .. lol it wont allow me to post :| !! lol
[21:18] <tdn> pedrinhobrito, I have no idea.
[21:18] <tdn> DanDan, did you create a user?
[21:18] <tdn> DanDan, you need to create a user on the page.
[21:19]  * tdn is AFK
[21:19] <pedrinhobrito> tdn, is there any other manager i could use? or, how did people connect at th eold times?
[21:19] <manuel_> were is at with ubuntu_
[21:19] <manuel_> ?
[21:20] <DanDan> tdn .. I used to have an old account and thought cuz I didnt use it in a long time i cant .. so i made a new one and still problem persists I send a msg to the admin still awaiting
[21:20] <professor__> hi...
[21:21] <xp-killer> Blue then update directly to 9.04 and i got back the same problem
[21:21] <xp-killer> BluesKaj:
[21:21] <xp-killer> ^
[21:22] <mkargar> in installed koffice 2.0.0 in the kubuntu 9.04 64bit!biut,it is slowly!
[21:23] <xp-killer> i reinstall 8.10 then upgrade to 9.04 but i still receive the same problem it dont wana show on my 16:9 screnn
[21:23] <ToreadorVampire> tdn> Cool, seems to have worked ...
[21:23] <xp-killer> BluesKaj: it just says unsoportive signal.change your pc output
[21:24] <xp-killer> BluesKaj: only on my 4:3 screen i can use 9.04 when the pc starts
[21:29] <xp-killer> Tm_T: can u help me plz?
[21:29] <xp-killer> im not finddint the solution in google
[21:29] <zirikili> hi guys. my kopete is getting 100% cpu on kubuntu. how may I fix it?
[21:31] <xp-killer> #kubuntu-fr
[21:43] <Captain_Haddock> Hi, this motherboard has an integrated geforce... how do I check that it's been installed and detected properly?
[21:43] <Captain_Haddock> My display settings are currently stuck at 800x600
[21:43] <chaos2fu> mmm okey...
[21:44] <chaos2fu> have you installed the nvidia control terminal?
[21:44] <MacTuts> hi i have a quick question (not even kubuntu just general linux)
[21:45] <Captain_Haddock> chaos2fu: this is a stock install.. I was expecting one of those non-free driver popups which never came
[21:45] <MacTuts> do KDE applications work in GNOME?
[21:46] <chaos2fu> okey, have u installed the prop.driver?
[21:47] <Captain_Haddock> chaos2fu: I don't know.. How do I check?
[21:47] <chaos2fu> under administration and then hardware drivers..
[21:47] <chaos2fu> it will check for drivers then..
[21:48] <leinadplus> hrm
[21:48] <leinadplus> i had the similar problem
[21:48] <leinadplus> i cant get my resolution to go above 1024*768
[21:48] <leinadplus> have*
[21:48] <Captain_Haddock> chaos2fu: ah!
[21:49] <Captain_Haddock> I kept looking in system settings :S
[21:49] <chaos2fu> is ah! similar to yyeess i found it...?;-)
[21:49] <Captain_Haddock> yes indeed! :D
[21:49] <Captain_Haddock> thanks muchly - installing now :)
[21:49] <chaos2fu> i have recently installed kubuntu on my laptop with a integrate geforce 7600...
[21:50] <chaos2fu> i downloaded all the system updates and then the prop. driver..
[21:50] <Captain_Haddock> There's a hardware menu in system settings -> advanced which is very misleading :/
[21:50] <chaos2fu> then you should be able to configure your resolution
[21:50] <chaos2fu> hehe yeah i know..
[21:51] <Walzmyn> Captain_Haddock: one is KDE one is Ubuntu
[21:51] <chaos2fu> and to save your configuration (resolution, multiple screens and so on...) u have to launch it with gksudo..
[21:53] <Captain_Haddock> Walzmyn: I see. A note in the KDE one might have helped :|
[21:53] <Captain_Haddock> chaos2fu: gotcha, thanks
[21:53] <chaos2fu> youre welcome
[21:53] <puffandstuff> hello
[21:54] <Captain_Haddock> "Downloading and installing" at 0% for the last 3 minutes
[21:54] <Walzmyn> Captain_Haddock: the KDE hardware tab is setting KDE options for the hardware. The Ubuntu hardware option is downloading drivers. It's confusing when yer starting out
[21:54] <puffandstuff> i've just installed Kdevelop 3.9.91 on xubuntu 9.04 and it only allows creation of QT based projects, it's no more possible to create an autotool based project
[21:55] <Captain_Haddock> Walzmyn: It'd have been nice if the Ubuntu one was embedded in system settings not unlike the new package manager etc.
[21:55] <puffandstuff> did i miss something during my install or it is normal ?
[21:55] <puffandstuff> please
[21:55] <Num83rGuy> MacTuts: yes
[21:56] <Walzmyn> Captain_Haddock: well, see, it's the same thing that's in the gnome flavor and the XFCE flavor. I agree with ya, but it'd be extra effort to do it just for KDE
[21:56] <Captain_Haddock> puffandstuff: package managers usually have a list of recommended packages.. perhaps have a look through them to see if you're missing something
[21:57] <ToreadorVampire> Here's an interesting question ...
[21:58] <Captain_Haddock> Walzmyn: I see. I guess that makes sense. Ain't terribly userfriendly though.
[21:58] <cyber> aloww smuanya
[21:58] <cyber> good morning
[21:58] <ToreadorVampire> Say I have an application I want to run and I know the name of the application, but I don't know which package would install it - is there a way to quickly (from the commandline) determine which packages I want?
[21:58] <Captain_Haddock> Things change too much from version to version in Kubuntu and other distros as well I guess
[21:58] <puffandstuff> Captain_Haddock, It's not my forst time installing it, but the first time having this behaviour. I have kdevplatform  kdevplatform1-libs kdevplatform-data kdevplatform-data-kde4 kdevelop-kde4
[21:58] <cyber> hellow
[21:59] <ToreadorVampire> I tried apt-cache search but (in this case) I have several options to choose from, and really I was left to guess
[21:59] <Walzmyn> cyber: sudo apt-cache search [title]
[21:59] <Walzmyn> ooops, that was supposed to be to ToreadorVampire
[21:59] <Captain_Haddock> ToreadorVampire: apt-cache search "title" | grep "refinement"
[21:59] <Captain_Haddock> or something like that
[21:59] <ToreadorVampire> Walzmyn> Yeah, I tried that - but in this case those search results left me still guessing
[22:00] <ToreadorVampire> Here's the example I was working on ...
[22:00] <ToreadorVampire> ... I know I want /sbin/mount.cifs
[22:00] <Walzmyn> ToreadorVampire: well, then your over my head :)
[22:00] <ToreadorVampire> I know that's the application binary/script/whatever that I want
[22:01] <ToreadorVampire> But apt-cache search cifs shows a whole slew of smb-related packages, and even if I eliminate the libs and other "obviously not it" ones, I still don't have a definitive answer
[22:01] <ToreadorVampire> What I guess I want is apt-cache which-package-installs /sbin/mount.cifs
[22:01] <ToreadorVampire> (btw I found the answer in the end by trial and error - it was smbfs - but I had to try a couple of packages first before I found it)
[22:06] <Captain_Haddock> ToreadorVampire: "apt-file is a command line tool for searching files contained in packages for the APT packaging system. You can search in which package a file is included or list the contents of a package without installing or fetching it."
[22:07] <Captain_Haddock> There are a bunch of other utilities for apt which might be of use
[22:07] <ToreadorVampire> Hmm, apt-file eh?
[22:08] <Captain_Haddock> jockey decided to activate a driver without actually installing it :/
[22:08] <Captain_Haddock> and now i need a reboot
[22:08] <Captain_Haddock> brb
[22:16] <ToreadorVampire> Erm
[22:16] <ToreadorVampire> The wastebin has reached its maximum size!
[22:16] <ToreadorVampire> Cleanup the wastebin manually.
[22:16] <ToreadorVampire> But no clues given how I'm supposed to do that, hehe
[23:07] <{DC}Ken> hello
[23:07] <{DC}Ken> Have a question about removing compiz through recovery mode
[23:08] <usuario_> hi
[23:08] <{DC}Ken> hi
[23:08] <usuario_> is there a way to add /usr/games to the kde menu
[23:12] <{DC}Ken> found this in the forums about half way down read the post by The602 http://www.andlinux.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=115
[23:13] <jose> Hi I have a question I was trying to install xmms2 on ubuntu 9.04 x64 but I dont see the icon under applications > sound and video .. Could someone help me please :) ?   thanks
[23:20] <satch5150> hi all
[23:20] <satch5150>  having probs using kmix or any other mixer with the creative xfi driver, kmix seems to be running but no icon in hte tray and running kmixctrl gives an error stating it can't find pcm:0
[23:20] <usuario_> DC}Ken, oh i found that before but thought they were doing something else, i dont get what it is but i will try what the602 says
[23:21] <satch5150> audio works btw, but I have no way to control the volume via software
[23:23] <satch5150> anyone have any suggestions ?
[23:24] <jose> :(
[23:24] <jose> Hi I have a question I was trying to install xmms2 on ubuntu 9.04 x64 but I dont see the icon under applications > sound and video .. Could someone help me please :) ?   thanks
[23:24] <{DC}Ken> jose all I can find on it is command line interface   nothing else
[23:27] <usuario_> didnt work
[23:34] <{DC}Ken> usuario have you tried the kmenuedit ? and add them that way?
[23:37] <{DC}Ken> bbl