| dobey | lool: ui files should already work in intltool. i think there's a bug about context support though, but danilo would be better suited to discuss that | 08:06 |
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| lool | dobey: I filed LP #381347 to cover them better; care for merging the changes? | 08:19 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 381347 in intltool "Please scan .ui files as well as .glade files" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/381347 | 08:19 |
| dobey | lool: i'll check it, thanks | 08:20 |
| seb128 | cassidy: hey, there | 10:30 |
| seb128 | cassidy: do you know if empathy has or will get otr? | 10:30 |
| cassidy | probably not because we thing that OTR is bong | 10:31 |
| seb128 | how so? | 10:32 |
| seb128 | cassidy: discussing pidgin vs empathy for karmic | 10:33 |
| cassidy | we think that OTR is not right way to implement security and encryption | 10:34 |
| seb128 | anything equivalent on the schedule? | 10:35 |
| cassidy | we have some plan to implement p2p encryption in Gabble | 10:35 |
| cassidy | but tbh I doubt that will be ready for karmic | 10:35 |
| seb128 | ok | 10:35 |
| seb128 | and is video chat working or will working soon in 2.27? | 10:36 |
| cassidy | video chat is working with XMPP with 2.26 | 10:36 |
| cassidy | bigger current issue is the sound because of PA | 10:36 |
| cassidy | we have someone implementing it in MSN | 10:36 |
| seb128 | likely to be fixed for 2.28? | 10:36 |
| cassidy | audio sound is really a pulseaudio and/or gst issue | 10:37 |
| cassidy | not an Empathy one | 10:37 |
| seb128 | ok | 10:37 |
| cassidy | I should test latest gst-plugins-good to see it that helps | 10:37 |
| cassidy | they rewrote the pa audio src | 10:37 |
| seb128 | ok, sold | 10:37 |
| cassidy | heu sink | 10:37 |
| seb128 | we got empathy by default soon and test it | 10:37 |
| cassidy | woot :) | 10:38 |
| seb128 | got -> get | 10:38 |
| Zdra | !! | 10:38 |
| seb128 | if it works great we keep it, if it doesn't we can roll back to pidgin later in the cycle | 10:38 |
| seb128 | ready to get lot of extra feedback from users? ;-) | 10:38 |
| cassidy | seb128: tbh, I still expect regressions from Pidgin atm but having it by default would helps us to catch the bigger ones | 10:39 |
| seb128 | right, we want to try to get it ready for next lts | 10:39 |
| seb128 | ie 9 months from now | 10:39 |
| cassidy | cool :) | 10:39 |
| seb128 | cassidy Zdra: do you know about sip support? | 10:39 |
| seb128 | it seems to be listed in the accounts list | 10:40 |
| Zdra | seb128: cassidy: It depends on the kind of regression. I think audio/video is a great improvement that justify a million of "regression" because users at used to totally useless plugins | 10:40 |
| Zdra | seb128: yes, we support SIP audio/video | 10:40 |
| seb128 | we don't care about extra things users can install | 10:40 |
| seb128 | they can still install pidgin if they do that | 10:40 |
| Zdra | seb128: the problem with SIP is we don't have locally stored addressbook | 10:41 |
| Zdra | seb128: and we don't support SIMPLE to get contact list from server for SIP | 10:41 |
| Zdra | seb128: so the user has to retype the phone number or the sip ID each time he wants to call someone... | 10:42 |
| seb128 | ok | 10:42 |
| Zdra | seb128: with an arguably ugly and broken UI | 10:42 |
| seb128 | and do you use libopal for codecs or that kind of thing? | 10:42 |
| Zdra | seb128: no, codecs are all provided by gst | 10:42 |
| Zdra | with farsight, etc | 10:42 |
| Zdra | it works the same way as xmpp voip | 10:43 |
| seb128 | ok thanks | 10:43 |
| Zdra | seb128: in practice, for video encoding you often need h263 which is not in ubuntu by default because of patent | 10:43 |
| Zdra | seb128: but for empathy<>empathy calls, we support theora | 10:43 |
| seb128 | good | 10:44 |
| seb128 | zeroconf seems to be not working great | 10:44 |
| seb128 | some people are not listed | 10:44 |
| Zdra | :( | 10:46 |
| seb128 | anyway those are bugs | 10:46 |
| Zdra | seb128: zeroconf is tested once per year on the crappy guadec network :p | 10:46 |
| cassidy | seb128: tp-salut is actively maintained so we are interested in bugs :) | 10:48 |
| seb128 | good! | 10:49 |
| cassidy | btw, we already receive lot of Empathy bug reports so help from the Ubuntu community to triage LP bugs and report them upstream when needed would be needed | 10:50 |
| seb128 | right | 10:51 |
| seb128 | cassidy: is IRC working in empathy? | 10:52 |
| cassidy | it's "working" but user experience could really be improved | 10:52 |
| cassidy | for example, I'm still using xchat-gnome | 10:53 |
| cassidy | but hope to switch to Empathy at some point | 10:53 |
| seb128 | ok good | 10:53 |
| Zdra | cassidy: on the other hand, I can't use pidgin for IRC neither... | 10:54 |
| Zdra | some people like that kind of UI, and empathy is not that different | 10:54 |
| Zdra | but for me xchat-like UI is much much better | 10:54 |
| seb128 | right | 11:00 |
| cassidy | seb128: does that mean Empathy and tp-package will move to main ? | 11:00 |
| seb128 | we have people using pidgin for IRC though | 11:00 |
| seb128 | yes | 11:00 |
| seb128 | but archive reorganization is coming soon | 11:01 |
| cassidy | will bigon be still allowed to upload them? He's doing a really good job at getting packages up to date and sync with Debian | 11:01 |
| seb128 | ie no main and universe but team for packages basically | 11:01 |
| lool | didrocks: Pushed gettext support | 11:01 |
| seb128 | cassidy: not until archive reorg no | 11:03 |
| cassidy | :( | 11:03 |
| lool | didrocks: I wish we'd pick some python packaging tool; autotools, distutils, whatever | 11:05 |
| bigon | he | 11:06 |
| Zdra | seb128: you may consider libchamplain and geoclue too. They are going to be used in next empathy release (optional dep) to show location of your contacts on a world map | 11:08 |
| Zdra | seb128: that's a really cool feature | 11:08 |
| Zdra | seb128: no other open source IM program has that afaik | 11:08 |
| pochu | cassidy: unless he applies to be a core-dev :) | 11:08 |
| pochu | bigon: ^ that's you ;) | 11:09 |
| * bigon would be glad if empathy supports vcard :o | 11:09 | |
| jcastro | seb128: no one from the desktop team is at this dual wallpaper session | 11:10 |
| jcastro | seb128: is there a scheduling error or something? | 11:10 |
| bigon | pochu: mmm | 11:11 |
| pochu | bigon: re: empathy et al being moved to main | 11:12 |
| bigon | yeah I guess that ;) going through sponsorship will be a lot of pain and delay | 11:14 |
| bigon | :/ | 11:14 |
| hyperair | so i hear empathy's replacing pidgin? | 11:14 |
| hyperair | if it is, i'd actually love to see empathy being able to group contacts | 11:15 |
| istaz_ | bigon: it can't be longer that your debian application anyway | 11:15 |
| pochu | hyperair: it is, yes | 11:16 |
| hyperair | pochu: but empathy can't group contacts! am i the only one who uses that feature and will miss it? | 11:16 |
| Zdra | hyperair: you mean metacontacts? | 11:16 |
| bigon | istaz_: :p | 11:16 |
| hyperair | er yeah | 11:16 |
| hyperair | wait, does empathy have something of that sort? | 11:16 |
| hyperair | i couldn't find it | 11:16 |
| bigon | I was talking about maintaining pkg through sponsorship | 11:17 |
| Zdra | no | 11:17 |
| pochu | I use groups | 11:17 |
| Zdra | hyperair: we have plans for that, but unfortunately nobody is working to make it happen | 11:17 |
| hyperair | =( | 11:17 |
| bigon | so what will be migrated to main? empathy libtp-glib? CM? (tp-gabble, tp-salut) | 11:17 |
| bigon | what else? | 11:18 |
| cassidy | tp-fs and friends | 11:18 |
| bigon | right | 11:18 |
| bigon | and the geloc stuff? | 11:19 |
| cassidy | bigon: geoloc uses libchamplain and geoclue | 11:39 |
| bigon | and the migration to main will be made during this release cycle? | 11:44 |
| pochu | bigon: yes | 11:45 |
| pochu | bigon: they are switching from pidgin to empathy for the default install | 11:45 |
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| Brucevdk | Hi I couldn't find a bug but does anybody know why Firefox doesn't ship with the SVG? At least not in Intrepid. | 21:32 |
| andreasn | Brucevdk, the svg of what? | 21:36 |
| Brucevdk | Firefox, application logo | 21:36 |
| andreasn | I don't think it ever did that | 21:37 |
| andreasn | what's the issue? Bad scaling? | 21:37 |
| Brucevdk | No, there is no SVG included at all | 21:37 |
| Tm_T | never been IIRC | 21:38 |
| Brucevdk | no, well, why not? | 21:38 |
| Tm_T | ask Mozilla foundation? IIRC they provide "closed source" png only or something along those lines | 21:38 |
| andreasn | there is a bug open regarding that it should ship more sizes on linux, but I don't think the svg is needed | 21:39 |
| andreasn | as long as we make sure we have a 256x256 icon at least | 21:39 |
| andreasn | that would allow it to look sane in gnome-do | 21:39 |
| Brucevdk | sure, that would probably do for most cases | 21:39 |
| Brucevdk | still | 21:40 |
| Brucevdk | not for edge cases | 21:40 |
| Brucevdk | well actually | 21:40 |
| Brucevdk | downscaling probably would be relatively ok | 21:40 |
| Brucevdk | andreasn: still, would complicate the logic for doing things like proper scaling in the panel methinks | 21:41 |
| Tm_T | still, there's nothing we can do except ask the Firefox icon to be changed or relicensed? | 21:41 |
| andreasn | the bitmap library is pretty good at scaling stuff between the key sizes | 21:42 |
| andreasn | while I'm not sure librsvg would actually be capable of displaying a svg version of the firefox logo correctly | 21:43 |
| Brucevdk | hmm alright, I'm satisfied for now, for myself I've got the SVG setup anyways | 21:44 |
| Brucevdk | thanks | 21:46 |
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