[08:06] <dobey> lool: ui files should already work in intltool. i think there's a bug about context support though, but danilo would be better suited to discuss that
[08:19] <lool> dobey: I filed LP #381347 to cover them better; care for merging the changes?
[08:20] <dobey> lool: i'll check it, thanks
[10:30] <seb128> cassidy: hey, there
[10:30] <seb128> cassidy: do you know if empathy has or will get otr?
[10:31] <cassidy> probably not because we thing that OTR is bong
[10:32] <seb128> how so?
[10:33] <seb128> cassidy: discussing pidgin vs empathy for karmic
[10:34] <cassidy> we think that OTR is not right way to implement security and encryption
[10:35] <seb128> anything equivalent on the schedule?
[10:35] <cassidy> we have some plan to implement p2p encryption in Gabble
[10:35] <cassidy> but tbh I doubt that will be ready for karmic
[10:35] <seb128> ok
[10:36] <seb128> and is video chat working or will working soon in 2.27?
[10:36] <cassidy> video chat is working with XMPP with 2.26
[10:36] <cassidy> bigger current issue is the sound because of PA
[10:36] <cassidy> we have someone implementing it in MSN
[10:36] <seb128> likely to be fixed for 2.28?
[10:37] <cassidy> audio sound is really a pulseaudio and/or gst issue
[10:37] <cassidy> not an Empathy one
[10:37] <seb128> ok
[10:37] <cassidy> I should test latest gst-plugins-good to see it that helps
[10:37] <cassidy> they rewrote the pa audio src
[10:37] <seb128> ok, sold
[10:37] <cassidy> heu sink
[10:37] <seb128> we got empathy by default soon and test it
[10:38] <cassidy> woot :)
[10:38] <seb128> got -> get
[10:38] <Zdra> !!
[10:38] <seb128> if it works great we keep it, if it doesn't we can roll back to pidgin later in the cycle
[10:38] <seb128> ready to get lot of extra feedback from users? ;-)
[10:39] <cassidy> seb128: tbh, I still expect regressions from Pidgin atm but having it by default would helps us to catch the bigger ones
[10:39] <seb128> right, we want to try to get it ready for next lts
[10:39] <seb128> ie 9 months from now
[10:39] <cassidy> cool :)
[10:39] <seb128> cassidy Zdra: do you know about sip support?
[10:40] <seb128> it seems to be listed in the accounts list
[10:40] <Zdra> seb128: cassidy: It depends on the kind of regression. I think audio/video is a great improvement that justify a million of "regression" because users at used to totally useless plugins
[10:40] <Zdra> seb128: yes, we support SIP audio/video
[10:40] <seb128> we don't care about extra things users can install
[10:40] <seb128> they can still install pidgin if they do that
[10:41] <Zdra> seb128: the problem with SIP is we don't have locally stored addressbook
[10:41] <Zdra> seb128: and we don't support SIMPLE to get contact list from server for SIP
[10:42] <Zdra> seb128: so the user has to retype the phone number or the sip ID each time he wants to call someone...
[10:42] <seb128> ok
[10:42] <Zdra> seb128: with an arguably ugly and broken UI
[10:42] <seb128> and do you use libopal for codecs or that kind of thing?
[10:42] <Zdra> seb128: no, codecs are all provided by gst
[10:42] <Zdra> with farsight, etc
[10:43] <Zdra> it works the same way as xmpp voip
[10:43] <seb128> ok thanks
[10:43] <Zdra> seb128: in practice, for video encoding you often need h263 which is not in ubuntu by default because of patent
[10:43] <Zdra> seb128: but for empathy<>empathy calls, we support theora
[10:44] <seb128> good
[10:44] <seb128> zeroconf seems to be not working great
[10:44] <seb128> some people are not listed
[10:46] <Zdra> :(
[10:46] <seb128> anyway those are bugs
[10:46] <Zdra> seb128: zeroconf is tested once per year on the crappy guadec network :p
[10:48] <cassidy> seb128: tp-salut is actively maintained so we are interested in bugs :)
[10:49] <seb128> good!
[10:50] <cassidy> btw, we already receive lot of Empathy bug reports so help from the Ubuntu community to triage LP bugs and report them upstream when needed would be needed
[10:51] <seb128> right
[10:52] <seb128> cassidy: is IRC working in empathy?
[10:52] <cassidy> it's "working" but user experience could really be improved
[10:53] <cassidy> for example, I'm still using xchat-gnome
[10:53] <cassidy> but hope to switch to Empathy at some point
[10:53] <seb128> ok good
[10:54] <Zdra> cassidy: on the other hand, I can't use pidgin for IRC neither...
[10:54] <Zdra> some people like that kind of UI, and empathy is not that different
[10:54] <Zdra> but for me xchat-like UI is much much better
[11:00] <seb128> right
[11:00] <cassidy> seb128: does that mean Empathy and tp-package will move to main ?
[11:00] <seb128> we have people using pidgin for IRC though
[11:00] <seb128> yes
[11:01] <seb128> but archive reorganization is coming soon
[11:01] <cassidy> will bigon be still allowed to upload them? He's doing a really good job at getting packages up to date and sync with Debian
[11:01] <seb128> ie no main and universe but team for packages basically
[11:01] <lool> didrocks: Pushed gettext support
[11:03] <seb128> cassidy: not until archive reorg no
[11:03] <cassidy> :(
[11:05] <lool> didrocks: I wish we'd pick some python packaging tool; autotools, distutils, whatever
[11:06] <bigon> he
[11:08] <Zdra> seb128: you may consider libchamplain and geoclue too. They are going to be used in next empathy release (optional dep) to show location of your contacts on a world map
[11:08] <Zdra> seb128: that's a really cool feature
[11:08] <Zdra> seb128: no other open source IM program has that afaik
[11:08] <pochu> cassidy: unless he applies to be a core-dev :)
[11:09] <pochu> bigon: ^ that's you ;)
[11:09]  * bigon would be glad if empathy supports vcard :o
[11:10] <jcastro> seb128: no one from the desktop team is at this dual wallpaper session
[11:10] <jcastro> seb128: is there a scheduling error or something?
[11:11] <bigon> pochu: mmm
[11:12] <pochu> bigon: re: empathy et al being moved to main
[11:14] <bigon> yeah I guess that ;) going through sponsorship will be a lot of pain and delay
[11:14] <bigon> :/
[11:14] <hyperair> so i hear empathy's replacing pidgin?
[11:15] <hyperair> if it is, i'd actually love to see empathy being able to group contacts
[11:15] <istaz_> bigon: it can't be longer that your debian application anyway
[11:16] <pochu> hyperair: it is, yes
[11:16] <hyperair> pochu: but empathy can't group contacts! am i the only one who uses that feature and will miss it?
[11:16] <Zdra> hyperair: you mean metacontacts?
[11:16] <bigon> istaz_: :p
[11:16] <hyperair> er yeah
[11:16] <hyperair> wait, does empathy have something of that sort?
[11:16] <hyperair> i couldn't find it
[11:17] <bigon> I was talking about maintaining pkg through sponsorship
[11:17] <Zdra> no
[11:17] <pochu> I use groups
[11:17] <Zdra> hyperair: we have plans for that, but unfortunately nobody is working to make it happen
[11:17] <hyperair> =(
[11:17] <bigon> so what will be migrated to main? empathy libtp-glib? CM? (tp-gabble, tp-salut)
[11:18] <bigon> what else?
[11:18] <cassidy> tp-fs and friends
[11:18] <bigon> right
[11:19] <bigon> and the geloc stuff?
[11:39] <cassidy> bigon: geoloc uses libchamplain and geoclue
[11:44] <bigon> and the migration to main will be made during this release cycle?
[11:45] <pochu> bigon: yes
[11:45] <pochu> bigon: they are switching from pidgin to empathy for the default install
[21:32] <Brucevdk> Hi I couldn't find a bug but does anybody know why Firefox doesn't ship with the SVG? At least not in Intrepid.
[21:36] <andreasn> Brucevdk, the svg of what?
[21:36] <Brucevdk> Firefox, application logo
[21:37] <andreasn> I don't think it ever did that
[21:37] <andreasn> what's the issue? Bad scaling?
[21:37] <Brucevdk> No, there is no SVG included at all
[21:38] <Tm_T> never been IIRC
[21:38] <Brucevdk> no, well, why not?
[21:38] <Tm_T> ask Mozilla foundation? IIRC they provide "closed source" png only or something along those lines
[21:39] <andreasn> there is a bug open regarding that it should ship more sizes on linux, but I don't think the svg is needed
[21:39] <andreasn> as long as we make sure we have a 256x256 icon at least
[21:39] <andreasn> that would allow it to look sane in gnome-do
[21:39] <Brucevdk> sure, that would probably do for most cases
[21:40] <Brucevdk> still
[21:40] <Brucevdk> not for edge cases
[21:40] <Brucevdk> well actually
[21:40] <Brucevdk> downscaling probably would be relatively ok
[21:41] <Brucevdk> andreasn: still, would complicate the logic for doing things like proper scaling in the panel methinks
[21:41] <Tm_T> still, there's nothing we can do except ask the Firefox icon to be changed or relicensed?
[21:42] <andreasn> the bitmap library is pretty good at scaling stuff between the key sizes
[21:43] <andreasn> while I'm not sure librsvg would actually be capable of displaying a svg version of the firefox logo correctly
[21:44] <Brucevdk> hmm alright, I'm satisfied for now, for myself I've got the SVG setup anyways
[21:46] <Brucevdk> thanks