[08:06] lool: ui files should already work in intltool. i think there's a bug about context support though, but danilo would be better suited to discuss that [08:19] dobey: I filed LP #381347 to cover them better; care for merging the changes? [08:19] Launchpad bug 381347 in intltool "Please scan .ui files as well as .glade files" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/381347 [08:20] lool: i'll check it, thanks [10:30] cassidy: hey, there [10:30] cassidy: do you know if empathy has or will get otr? [10:31] probably not because we thing that OTR is bong [10:32] how so? [10:33] cassidy: discussing pidgin vs empathy for karmic [10:34] we think that OTR is not right way to implement security and encryption [10:35] anything equivalent on the schedule? [10:35] we have some plan to implement p2p encryption in Gabble [10:35] but tbh I doubt that will be ready for karmic [10:35] ok [10:36] and is video chat working or will working soon in 2.27? [10:36] video chat is working with XMPP with 2.26 [10:36] bigger current issue is the sound because of PA [10:36] we have someone implementing it in MSN [10:36] likely to be fixed for 2.28? [10:37] audio sound is really a pulseaudio and/or gst issue [10:37] not an Empathy one [10:37] ok [10:37] I should test latest gst-plugins-good to see it that helps [10:37] they rewrote the pa audio src [10:37] ok, sold [10:37] heu sink [10:37] we got empathy by default soon and test it [10:38] woot :) [10:38] got -> get [10:38] !! [10:38] if it works great we keep it, if it doesn't we can roll back to pidgin later in the cycle [10:38] ready to get lot of extra feedback from users? ;-) [10:39] seb128: tbh, I still expect regressions from Pidgin atm but having it by default would helps us to catch the bigger ones [10:39] right, we want to try to get it ready for next lts [10:39] ie 9 months from now [10:39] cool :) [10:39] cassidy Zdra: do you know about sip support? [10:40] it seems to be listed in the accounts list [10:40] seb128: cassidy: It depends on the kind of regression. I think audio/video is a great improvement that justify a million of "regression" because users at used to totally useless plugins [10:40] seb128: yes, we support SIP audio/video [10:40] we don't care about extra things users can install [10:40] they can still install pidgin if they do that [10:41] seb128: the problem with SIP is we don't have locally stored addressbook [10:41] seb128: and we don't support SIMPLE to get contact list from server for SIP [10:42] seb128: so the user has to retype the phone number or the sip ID each time he wants to call someone... [10:42] ok [10:42] seb128: with an arguably ugly and broken UI [10:42] and do you use libopal for codecs or that kind of thing? [10:42] seb128: no, codecs are all provided by gst [10:42] with farsight, etc [10:43] it works the same way as xmpp voip [10:43] ok thanks [10:43] seb128: in practice, for video encoding you often need h263 which is not in ubuntu by default because of patent [10:43] seb128: but for empathy<>empathy calls, we support theora [10:44] good [10:44] zeroconf seems to be not working great [10:44] some people are not listed [10:46] :( [10:46] anyway those are bugs [10:46] seb128: zeroconf is tested once per year on the crappy guadec network :p [10:48] seb128: tp-salut is actively maintained so we are interested in bugs :) [10:49] good! [10:50] btw, we already receive lot of Empathy bug reports so help from the Ubuntu community to triage LP bugs and report them upstream when needed would be needed [10:51] right [10:52] cassidy: is IRC working in empathy? [10:52] it's "working" but user experience could really be improved [10:53] for example, I'm still using xchat-gnome [10:53] but hope to switch to Empathy at some point [10:53] ok good [10:54] cassidy: on the other hand, I can't use pidgin for IRC neither... [10:54] some people like that kind of UI, and empathy is not that different [10:54] but for me xchat-like UI is much much better [11:00] right [11:00] seb128: does that mean Empathy and tp-package will move to main ? [11:00] we have people using pidgin for IRC though [11:00] yes [11:01] but archive reorganization is coming soon [11:01] will bigon be still allowed to upload them? He's doing a really good job at getting packages up to date and sync with Debian [11:01] ie no main and universe but team for packages basically [11:01] didrocks: Pushed gettext support [11:03] cassidy: not until archive reorg no [11:03] :( [11:05] didrocks: I wish we'd pick some python packaging tool; autotools, distutils, whatever [11:06] he [11:08] seb128: you may consider libchamplain and geoclue too. They are going to be used in next empathy release (optional dep) to show location of your contacts on a world map [11:08] seb128: that's a really cool feature [11:08] seb128: no other open source IM program has that afaik [11:08] cassidy: unless he applies to be a core-dev :) [11:09] bigon: ^ that's you ;) [11:09] * bigon would be glad if empathy supports vcard :o [11:10] seb128: no one from the desktop team is at this dual wallpaper session [11:10] seb128: is there a scheduling error or something? [11:11] pochu: mmm [11:12] bigon: re: empathy et al being moved to main [11:14] yeah I guess that ;) going through sponsorship will be a lot of pain and delay [11:14] :/ [11:14] so i hear empathy's replacing pidgin? [11:15] if it is, i'd actually love to see empathy being able to group contacts [11:15] bigon: it can't be longer that your debian application anyway [11:16] hyperair: it is, yes [11:16] pochu: but empathy can't group contacts! am i the only one who uses that feature and will miss it? [11:16] hyperair: you mean metacontacts? [11:16] istaz_: :p [11:16] er yeah [11:16] wait, does empathy have something of that sort? [11:16] i couldn't find it [11:17] I was talking about maintaining pkg through sponsorship [11:17] no [11:17] I use groups [11:17] hyperair: we have plans for that, but unfortunately nobody is working to make it happen [11:17] =( [11:17] so what will be migrated to main? empathy libtp-glib? CM? (tp-gabble, tp-salut) [11:18] what else? [11:18] tp-fs and friends [11:18] right [11:19] and the geloc stuff? [11:39] bigon: geoloc uses libchamplain and geoclue [11:44] and the migration to main will be made during this release cycle? [11:45] bigon: yes [11:45] bigon: they are switching from pidgin to empathy for the default install === asac_ is now known as asac [21:32] Hi I couldn't find a bug but does anybody know why Firefox doesn't ship with the SVG? At least not in Intrepid. [21:36] Brucevdk, the svg of what? [21:36] Firefox, application logo [21:37] I don't think it ever did that [21:37] what's the issue? Bad scaling? [21:37] No, there is no SVG included at all [21:38] never been IIRC [21:38] no, well, why not? [21:38] ask Mozilla foundation? IIRC they provide "closed source" png only or something along those lines [21:39] there is a bug open regarding that it should ship more sizes on linux, but I don't think the svg is needed [21:39] as long as we make sure we have a 256x256 icon at least [21:39] that would allow it to look sane in gnome-do [21:39] sure, that would probably do for most cases [21:40] still [21:40] not for edge cases [21:40] well actually [21:40] downscaling probably would be relatively ok [21:41] andreasn: still, would complicate the logic for doing things like proper scaling in the panel methinks [21:41] still, there's nothing we can do except ask the Firefox icon to be changed or relicensed? [21:42] the bitmap library is pretty good at scaling stuff between the key sizes [21:43] while I'm not sure librsvg would actually be capable of displaying a svg version of the firefox logo correctly [21:44] hmm alright, I'm satisfied for now, for myself I've got the SVG setup anyways [21:46] thanks