[00:27] <Flannel> sigh
[00:28] <Flannel> Artichoke200: how can we help you?
[00:28] <Artichoke200> I need to get in #ubuntu
[00:29] <Artichoke200> Every time I try to get in, it takes me to the proxy thing
[00:29] <Artichoke200> I'm not using a proxy
[00:29] <Flannel> Artichoke200: You were just in #ubuntu, you were abusive.
[00:29] <Artichoke200> ..
[00:29] <Artichoke200> I was, but I can't get back in
[00:29] <Flannel> Artichoke200: What did you need the ops for in #ubuntu?
[00:30] <Artichoke200> Everyone was mad at me for giving my opinion, and also, I wanted to know how to get past the proxy thing
[00:31] <Flannel> Artichoke200: you were already in #ubuntu at that time
[00:31] <Artichoke200> I know
[00:31] <Artichoke200> But I wanted to know how to get past that next time I come to #ubuntu
[00:31] <Artichoke200> When I leave
[00:32] <Artichoke200> Could someone get me in #ubuntu?
[00:36] <Flannel> Artichoke200: Before I do, do you understand that you were being rude and offtopic?
[00:36] <Artichoke200> Yes.
[00:36] <Flannel> Artichoke200: and it won't happen again?
[00:37] <Artichoke200> Mhmm
[00:37] <Flannel> Can I get you to read the IRC guidelines, so that there's no ambiguity about the rules in #ubuntu
[00:37] <Flannel> !guidelines | Artichoke200 
[00:38] <Artichoke200> Okay
[00:38] <Artichoke200> Will you let me in now?
[00:40] <Flannel> Artichoke200: try reconnecting
[00:40] <Artichoke200> Ok
[00:40] <Artichoke200> Thanks
[00:41] <Flannel> Artichoke200: If there's nothing else we can help you with today, please part this channel.  thanks
[00:42] <Artichoke200> Okay
[00:55] <Jack_Sparrow> @login
[00:56] <Jack_Sparrow> @btlogin
[01:06] <LjL> hi. may i ask how this sort of behavior http://paste.ubuntu.com/183250/ is compatible with being let back into the channel almost immediately
[01:07] <jussi01> LjL: has there been an issue since him being let back in? (I havent looked)
[01:08] <LjL> jussi01: not a big issue, although asking how one becomes an op sounds trollish enough to me.
[01:09] <jussi01> LjL: hrm, well lets watch him, and see. we can always re-ban. 
[01:09] <LjL> is the current belief among ops that if someone appears to have more or less understood what #ubuntu is about, everything they might have done 5 minutes earlier is forgiven and forgotten, even if they spammed the channel, wasted people's time, etc?
[01:09] <LjL> is there any respect for the time actual non-trolls put into the channel?
[01:10] <Flannel> LjL: I banned him, I let him back in, I dealt with that question.  I'm not forgetting anything.
[01:10] <LjL> i don't believe he should be entitled to receive support in #ubuntu *in the first place*, after the way he behaved.
[01:10] <LjL> irc is a privilege, not a right.
[01:10] <jussi01> LjL: its not forgive and forget, just a second chance to sort himself out. 
[01:11] <LjL> jussi01: he was given a second chance twice, since he was given !ot twice, not counting your !language
[01:12] <jussi01> LjL: he has come here, been spoken too, and agreed to sort it out. if its a problem again, we can ban him again, then move on. 
[01:13] <LjL> jussi01: then look at what he's just saying in #ubuntu please.
[01:14] <jussi01> LjL: right, Im watching now, and I assume Flannel is also,
[01:14] <LjL> of course.
[01:14] <LjL> bye.
[01:20] <Flannel> Alright, heading home.  So, I'm no longer watching him intently ;)
[05:08] <elky> wait, did artichoke use mibbit the first time?
[05:09] <elky> he did ok. for a moment there it looked sus.
[05:11] <Flannel> thats the only reason it ended up being a ban
[05:11] <elky> i do fail to believe that 45 seconds is long enough to read the guidelines.
[05:11] <Flannel> (and why I removed it even after it was clear he only glanced at the guidelines)
[05:12] <Flannel> If he wasn't using mibbit, it would've only been a removal, not a ban.
[05:12] <elky> meanwhile you've taught him it's ok to pretend to read the guidelines. congrats.
[05:12] <Flannel> No, he agreed to follow them, whether or not he actually read them.
[05:13] <Flannel> There isn't *that* much to read.
[05:13] <elky> Flannel, we are not into running con-jobs. i'd much rather people know what they're agreeing to.
[05:13] <Flannel> elky: 45 seconds is enough to read the actual guidelines.  You don't need to read the paragraphs to understand them.
[05:13] <Flannel> But the point still stands, were he not using mibbit, he wouldn't have been banned at all, just removed, and would've been able to come back right away.
[05:15] <elky> mibbit or not. ban or not. please make sure that when people read the guidelines, they *actually* read the guidelines. if they dont and get taught they can fake it, then they're *never* going to read them.
[05:16] <elky> they're not going to read them when they have a real ban, since their experience tells them that we're absolute freaking fools.
[05:16] <elky> i'd really rather us not be considered absolute freaking fools. it makes things *harder*.
[05:35] <Flannel> elky: +1
[06:22] <Flannel> nice, no takers.
[08:10]  * Myrtti nibbles Chipmunk 
[08:10] <Chipmunk> mmmm
[08:10]  * Chipmunk bites Myrtti 
[08:10] <Tm_T> hurry, pull his whiskers!
[08:11]  * Chipmunk scarpers away
[08:13] <Bacta> Hello Flannel
[08:20] <Flannel> Hi Bacta
[08:20] <Bacta> Hello :)
[08:21] <Bacta> Was wondering if we could talk about this ban
[08:24] <ikonia> what's up ?
[08:27] <Bacta> Pizza :)
[08:28] <ikonia> ok, what do you want to talk about, what ban, and what's your take this morning
[08:30] <Bacta> My take this morning?
[08:30] <ikonia> yes, what do you want to talk about, what's your comment for this morning
[08:31] <Bacta> Ok, well Flannel said he would consider removing it on Wednesday
[08:32] <Bacta> it's now Friday my time and I haven't had the chance to talk to him about it until now
[08:33] <Flannel> I did say that,
[08:33] <Flannel> However, at that time I had overlooked a previous discussion you had where you were told to come back "in a month" (from mid May)
[08:33] <Bacta> I see
[08:34] <ikonia> Flannel: ahhh good you are active, I thought you had skulked off
[08:34] <Flannel> ikonia: I didn't see a need to ask the same question you were asking :)  I was finishing something up in another window though.
[08:35] <ikonia> Bacta: anything else ?
[09:10]  * jussi01 waves
[09:10] <Flannel> Howdy jussi01
[13:10]  * Pici yawns
[13:11] <jussi01> Pici: dont jinx it, quiet days are good. 
[13:11]  * Myrtti gives Pici a lollipop
[13:12] <Pici> jussi01: Oh, I'm tired, not bored at #u
[13:33] <ikonia> 1
[13:38] <Pici> 2
[13:38] <ikonia> sory
[13:38] <ikonia> sorry - typo
[13:38] <Pici> I'm not sure I can forgive you
[13:42] <ikonia> oh go on 
[13:43] <Jack_Sparrow> Shuuuuuush,  Hehe, be verrrrrrrwy quiet, we are hunting moles...
[13:43] <Myrtti> *yawn*
[14:09] <Jack_Sparrow> @login
[14:09] <Jack_Sparrow> @btlogin
[14:18] <genii> @login
[14:18] <genii> @btlogin
[14:18] <Jack_Sparrow> Coffee is on me this am
[14:22] <Myrtti> I need milk for that :-(
[14:23] <Jack_Sparrow> I use half cocoa in every coffee
[14:24] <Jack_Sparrow> FYI  from earlier    <epiclulz> dont make me f****** ddos you                  * added by me
[14:26] <genii> Man. I sooo need coffee today too
[14:26] <genii> Jack_Sparrow: Hold the cocoa please
[16:42] <Myrtti> should I understand what's going on in -ot?
[16:49] <Myrtti> I don't know what to say or think
[16:58] <Pici> ditto
[17:10] <Myrtti> mattwhatever is tiptoeing on it
[17:10] <Pici> Yes.
[17:10] <Myrtti> and I'm gonna get some proper trousers on (not gonna go shopping with my jammies on) and get some milk and perhaps a wee ickle can of cider or perry
[18:42] <Pici> meh
[19:38] <Mamarok> hm, had this aa3b in my focus this afternoon in #k, laughing at people without reason...
[19:40] <Mamarok> http://paste.ubuntu.com/183829/
[20:07] <Pici> He was talking about me.
[20:08] <Pici> He claimed I was stalking him because I was in #ubuntu AND #ubuntu-offtopic AND #kubuntu and so was he.
[20:08] <Flannel> Pici: er... you're stalking me too!
[20:09] <Flannel> You're in #ubuntu-ops as well...
[20:09] <Pici> oh no!
[20:09] <Flannel> and... and... stalker!
[20:09] <Myrtti> OH NOES!
[20:09] <Myrtti> HIDE
[20:09] <Pici> *gasp*
[21:21] <ikonia> meatball: you are being blocked from ubuntu because your ident is "fuckoff"
[21:22] <meatball> whoops
[21:45] <Gary> Myrtti: you should have gone shopping with your jim jams on, it'd have been funny
[21:46] <Myrtti> they did ask for my id at alko anyway
[21:46] <Myrtti> ie. state monopoly for booze
[21:47] <Gary> haha, in finland?
[21:47] <Myrtti> yeah
[21:47] <Myrtti> ah, to be young again
[21:48] <Myrtti> tomorrow the schools end and graduation parties
[21:48]  * Myrtti remembers hers ten years ago
[21:48] <Myrtti> the cake and the bubbly wine \o/
[21:51] <Tm_T> kids...
[23:14] <tomaw> does someone here know the dates for the '09 ubuntu dev summit?
[23:15] <tomaw> ah, nm it seems google + channel topics know
[23:15] <Daviey> tomaw: karmic finished today :)
[23:16] <tomaw> aye
[23:16] <tomaw> using google to search for it seemed to require I know the silly names rather than it was the latest one
[23:16] <Daviey> :D
[23:17] <Myrtti> tomaw: wiki.ubuntu.com/uds --> wiki.ubuntu.com/udskarmic
[23:17] <tomaw> sadly that doesn't seem quickly locatable using google
[23:37]  * genii sips