[00:51] <Hobbsee> hm, a kde4 version of konvesation.
[00:57] <jjesse> hello Hobbsee
[00:59] <Hobbsee> hey jjesse!
[01:00] <Hobbsee> how's it going?
[01:02] <jjesse> its going very well, super busy at work, almost no time for everything else but i think that is a good thing
[01:02] <jjesse> and how are things going for you?
[01:11] <Hobbsee> things are OK here.  Fighting with a graphics assignment
[01:15] <jjesse> good luck :)
[01:28] <Hobbsee> hmmm.  This konversation has artefacts, and doesn't behave nicely
[01:28] <Hobbsee> maybe it's just as it's under gnome.
[01:32] <jjesse> is there now a kde4 konverstation?
[01:45] <Hobbsee> yep
[01:45] <Hobbsee> at least, it looks kde4-like
[01:45] <Riddell> morning!
[01:46] <Hobbsee> hey Riddell!
[01:47] <Riddell> we were the best
[01:48] <Riddell> we sang and the world sang with us
[01:48] <Riddell> Kubuntu Karaoke Team rocked!
[01:48] <Hobbsee> \o/
[01:48] <Hobbsee> it was karaoke night last night?  oh dear :)
[01:49] <jjesse> wow you are soo glad i wasn't there to join the karaoke team
[01:49] <jjesse> trust me
[01:58] <jjesse> morning Riddell
[02:01] <Riddell> the rendition of Barbie Girl was especially moving
[02:03] <jjesse> you are a barbie girl in a barbie world?
[02:03] <Riddell> that's the one
[02:03]  * Hobbsee shudders
[02:04]  * Hobbsee makes Riddell go and watch legally blonde 1&2 in succession.
[02:08] <Hobbsee> found the first konversation bug.
[02:08] <Hobbsee> $HOME does *not* expand
[02:08]  * Hobbsee now has a $HOME in ~
[04:08] <vorian> yo
[05:32] <nixternal> yo
[10:30] <Quintasan> I saved my session to disk, failed to boot several times, started in recovery mode and my saved sesssion was restored. WTF?
[11:42] <sebas> Riddell bikes off to the beach
[12:04] <cbr> ubuntu will dtich plymouth because they are confident they can get the thing booting under 10 seconds?
[12:04] <cbr> i want that stuff they're smoking
[12:05] <cbr> linux boot time has been long as long as i've used linux
[12:06] <Hobbsee> cbr: it's been making some pretty massive improvements in the last few cycles.
[12:06] <Hobbsee> my ubuntu boot is certainly under 20.  i've not timed it, but it may even be under 15 too
[12:07] <cbr> yeah, but i'd still like to watch a nice boot screen during that 10 seconds :p
[12:08] <cbr> the boot screen is the first step in the OS experience, not something useless you have to have because things are slow
[12:10] <cbr> nobody probably just volunteered to develop the plymouth stuff so they turned it all philosophical to get out of it :p
[12:13] <Hobbsee> hah
[12:13] <Hobbsee> maybe that was it
[12:20] <devfil> cbr: you are not the only that wants that stuff: http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/21/
[14:31] <Mamarok> hm, my kubuntu boots in 12-13 seconds
[14:33] <smarter> mine probably boots in well over 1 minute
[14:33] <smarter> and it's a fancy Quad Core with 2GB of ram and all that :p
[14:36] <txwikinger_work> Well.. the latest konversation is pretty much b0rked
[14:47] <Mamarok> smarter: are you loading like 50 services on startup?
[14:48] <Mamarok> Lenovo W500 with 4Gb Ram, and it's always 12-13 seconds
[14:48] <smarter> probably not 50 but more than the default certainly
[14:48] <smarter> Mamarok: how old is your install?
[14:49] <Mamarok> smarter: Jaunty with KDE 4.3 beta
[14:49] <smarter> I mean, when did you install it :]
[14:49] <Mamarok> I always do clean installs with a new release, as I have a separate /home
[14:49] <smarter> mine was recovered from my old laptop when it died a year ago, and was upgraded all the way to jaunty from hardy(or maybe even gutsy, not sure)
[14:49] <Mamarok> when it came out :)
[14:50] <smarter> separate /home is not enough when you have a lot of stuff installed (my root partition uses 25G) :p
[14:51] <Mamarok> arghs, how many systems do you have there?
[14:51] <Mamarok> my / uses 9.4G and I think I have a lot of things installed
[14:51] <smarter> only one
[14:53] <Mamarok> and a huge home, as I have a local installation of Amarok SVN
[14:53] <smarter> well, my /opt is 11G and it contains amarok-nightly and kde-nightly too :]
[14:54] <Mamarok> hm, /opt is a separate partition too...
[14:54] <smarter> will probably make one for it at my next reinstall
[14:55] <Mamarok> I'm lazy, so I don't have to install that stuff over and over aigain at each clean install
[19:18] <apachelogger> salut mes amis
[19:19] <nixternal> apachelogger: thanks for the oxygen color scheme for Konsole btw :)
[19:19] <Mamarok> huhu apachelogger :)
[19:19] <apachelogger> you're very welcome
[19:19] <nixternal> much cleaner imho than the other konsole schemes
[19:20] <apachelogger> do we have amarok 2.1 packages somewhere already?
[19:20] <nixternal> just had to change the background color since I use transparency
[19:20] <Mamarok> apachelogger: markey fixed your script
[19:20] <apachelogger> yeah, I didn't test with transparency at all, so that is to be expected :D
[19:20] <nixternal> haven't heard of nor saw updated amarok
[19:20] <apachelogger> Mamarok: so did I
[19:20] <apachelogger> Mamarok: where are his changes?
[19:21] <nixternal> apachelogger: just the background was hte only transparency issue, the rest are fine
[19:21] <Mamarok> apachelogger: check with Nightrose
[19:21] <Mamarok> in KDE-SVN, of course, where we have access to
[19:21] <nixternal> it seems a dark gray is the background color of choice for a lot of color schemes these days
[19:21] <Nightrose> apachelogger: I told you he did ;-)
[19:21]  * Nightrose gets food
[19:22] <apachelogger> I thought you meant he fixed the tarball
[19:22] <apachelogger> ah
[19:22] <apachelogger> yeah
[19:22] <apachelogger> same fix
[19:22] <apachelogger> markey++
[19:22] <Mamarok> apachelogger: tell him in #amarok.dev, he doesn't linger here
[19:22] <markey> hehe np
[19:22] <Mamarok> oh, didn't kow you were here too :)
[19:22] <Mamarok> know*
[19:23] <neversfelde> where can I get an oxygen scheme for konsole?
[19:23] <apachelogger> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~apachelogger/+junk/release-script-refactor/revision/59
[19:23] <markey> the new script is actually really nice and clean, I like it
[19:23] <markey> but I think we should host in in KDE SVN, makes it easier to maintain
[19:23] <apachelogger> me too
[19:23] <apachelogger> I just don't know where
[19:23] <markey> how about kdesdk/scripts
[19:24] <apachelogger> because technically it should be in kdesdk, which is awfully unfitted
[19:24] <markey> there's scripty too in there, and all this stuff
[19:24] <apachelogger> hm
[19:24] <apachelogger> maybe I should put it there then :D
[19:24] <markey> :)
[19:25] <apachelogger> _Groo_: bling bling
[19:27]  * apachelogger notes that the topic is quite long alright
[19:28] <apachelogger> someone must have read through spam mails .... ;P
[19:28] <apachelogger> a cookie for whoever makes all that stuff tinyurl'ed
[19:30] <markey> but man, svn is so freaking slow with checking out many files (the i18n stuff), looking forward to the git switch
[19:30] <markey> although that will require some changes
[19:30] <neversfelde> a cookie and a beer and I will do it?
[19:30] <apachelogger> markey: the problem is not the files, the problem is that it has to reopen a connection each time
[19:30] <markey> yep, true
[19:31] <apachelogger> ruby-svn might allow to use one connection, though the less deps the better IMHO
[19:32] <Nightrose> if it is possible to make it faster please do - i don't care about another dependency as long as it doesn't waste my time
[19:32] <Nightrose> doing 6 tarball with that thing in a row is so not fun
[19:32] <apachelogger> I told you, I got in and out in under 10 minutes :P
[19:33] <apachelogger> also ruby-svn got no real documentation, so I would have to go with the one for C and autotranslate for ruby
[19:33] <apachelogger> or read through the code
[19:34] <apachelogger> both not doable with the limited time I got these days
[19:34] <neversfelde> apachelogger: http://pastebin.ca/1441349
[19:35] <apachelogger> kubotu: order cookie for neversfelde
[19:35]  * kubotu slides one of world's finest cookies down the bar to neversfelde.
[19:35] <txwikinger> cookies !!!!!
[19:35] <apachelogger> hm
[19:35] <neversfelde> beer?
[19:35] <Mamarok> thx :)
[19:35] <apachelogger> not much improvement there
[19:35] <apachelogger> we need a topic meta page in teh wiki or something
[19:35] <Mamarok> holds in one line now on my screen
[19:36] <txwikinger> what happened to the newest kububtu packages?
[19:36] <apachelogger> really, no one ever reads that long topics :P
[19:36] <apachelogger> I certainly don't
[19:36] <apachelogger> Mamarok: b0rked!
[19:36] <neversfelde> I never read topics, even short ones
[19:36] <apachelogger> television rules the nation though
[19:37] <apachelogger> we should get our topic on CNN
[19:37] <jussi01> lovely, the pager doesnt scale properly on 4.3 beta
[19:37] <apachelogger> jussi01: b0rked!
[19:37] <txwikinger> Ah NASCAR is on
[19:37]  * txwikinger boycotts F1 now
[19:38] <apachelogger> someone remind me why am I going out after 3x12 hours work?
[19:38] <txwikinger> apachelogger: send them an e-mai
[19:38] <jussi01> apachelogger: cause you are "der man!!!"
[19:38] <apachelogger> hm
[19:38] <txwikinger> apachelogger: because you have some screws loose?
[19:38] <apachelogger> I certainly do
[19:39] <apachelogger> then again in geriatric care you have to :P
[19:39] <apachelogger> txwikinger: twitter > mail
[19:39] <apachelogger> I'll tweet cnn
[19:39] <txwikinger> well.. or twitter
[19:39] <txwikinger> CNN is lame
[19:39] <txwikinger> they lost against Kuchar
[19:40] <apachelogger> that is certainly not the correct spelling of that name
[19:40] <apachelogger> though I like the K
[19:40] <Mamarok> who is Kuchar?
[19:40] <apachelogger> that actor dood who was in a competition with cnn on twitter
[19:40] <apachelogger> something like that
[19:40] <apachelogger> google nus got all the details
[19:41] <neversfelde> a Ashton Kutscher
[19:41] <txwikinger> Demi Moore's current hubby
[19:41] <Mamarok> well, as I do not follow much twitter but identi.ca I certainly have missed that
[19:41] <Mamarok> Kutcher
[19:41] <Mamarok> ok, Now I got it
[19:42] <neversfelde> yes Kutscher is probably more the german spelling :)
[19:43]  * Mamarok prefers not to tell how her name is misspelt sometimes...
[19:43] <Mamarok> anyway, gone for a drink, cu later folks
[19:43] <neversfelde> Mamarok: have fun
[19:44] <txwikinger> Canada's Prime Minister is following txwikinger on twitter
[19:44] <apachelogger> hm
[19:44] <apachelogger> are you a terrorist or something?
[19:44]  * apachelogger always suspect to be something wrong
[19:44] <txwikinger> Maybe he wants my vote :D
[19:45] <apachelogger> oh
[19:45] <txwikinger> I can't be a terrorist or something
[19:45] <txwikinger> I was cleared by all kinds of intelligence services
[19:45] <apachelogger> that being said, whom do I elect for EU parliament
[19:45]  * apachelogger was thinking about super rights for the funs of then
[19:45] <apachelogger> them even
[19:45] <txwikinger> pirate party
[19:46] <apachelogger> though that might turn out bad
[19:46] <apachelogger> txwikinger: aint got that in austria
[19:46] <neversfelde> apachelogger: Die Frauen
[19:46] <apachelogger> hm
[19:46] <txwikinger> apachelogger: You can vote in Germany
[19:46] <apachelogger> I can?
[19:46] <neversfelde> no
[19:46] <apachelogger> Why not?
[19:46] <txwikinger> EU yes
[19:46] <apachelogger> right!
[19:46] <txwikinger> I always voted in UK
[19:47] <neversfelde> oh, you can
[19:47] <apachelogger> see :P
[19:47] <neversfelde> just read it on this vote paper
[19:47] <apachelogger> well
[19:47]  * txwikinger knows EU law better than neversfelde
[19:47] <txwikinger> and I don't even live there
[19:47] <neversfelde> txwikinger: thats not a law problem, is it?
[19:47] <apachelogger> you know, last 2 times austria had parliament elections I slept in :P
[19:48] <txwikinger> neversfelde: Yes it is... everything is
[19:48] <apachelogger> can only give my vote until noon
[19:48] <apachelogger> so I probably should have a postal vote
[19:49] <txwikinger> why only by noon?
[19:49] <apachelogger> no clue
[19:49] <apachelogger> maybe because of the limited audience round here :P
[19:50] <neversfelde> slow postal service :)
[19:50] <apachelogger> you have no idea...
[19:50] <apachelogger> anyway
[19:50] <txwikinger> well I lived often enough in A
[19:50] <apachelogger> => out
[19:50] <apachelogger> gotta inform myself about the options
[19:51]  * txwikinger is a licenced ski instructor in A
[19:51] <apachelogger> oh dear
[19:51] <apachelogger> on day our uberright will go after you
[19:51] <txwikinger> I thought he killed himself
[19:52] <apachelogger> first the immigrants, then the ones that are not catholic and then the germans
[19:52] <apachelogger> txwikinger: nah, his days were over anyway
[19:52] <apachelogger> the nu one is all better
[19:53] <apachelogger> younger, looks better
[19:53] <txwikinger> well.. I think we should throw all those As out of Canada too
[19:53] <apachelogger> the 3 you got?
[19:53] <txwikinger> well whatever
[19:54] <apachelogger> if every country got 3 austrian immigrants, austria would be empty :D
[19:54] <apachelogger> now really
[19:54] <apachelogger> => ouit
[19:54]  * txwikinger is cheering for the Linux team in the Stanley Cup
[19:54] <apachelogger> -i
[19:55] <_Groo_> hi apachelogger
[19:55]  * txwikinger needs to tweet Jorge
[19:56]  * _Groo_ still cant compile kdebindings master cleanly :(
[21:36] <Mamarok> apachelogger: I think there's a Swiss in every country of the world, we have about 750'000 "Auslandschweizer"
[21:36] <Mamarok> who have quite some political power and unfortunatel vote in a very nostalgic way
[21:36] <Mamarok> +y
[21:40] <txwikinger> Mamarok: Are that more Swiss outside Switzerland than inside? ;)
[21:43] <Mamarok> txwikinger: nope, there are still some 6 Million left, + about 1 Million non Swiss
[21:44] <Mamarok> but we only manage to keep the number constant by giving Swiss passports to others ;)
[21:44] <Mamarok> Swiss don't breed well s it seems
[21:45] <Mamarok> as*
[21:47] <txwikinger> hehe.. lots of countries have that problem
[21:47] <txwikinger> that's why I am here now
[21:58] <spider__> hi, i've got a "missing file with file list in the package kdelibs-bin" and libplasma3 is missing a newline, with apt-get... can you help me, plase?
[22:02] <spider__> no one?
[22:06] <Mamarok> spider__: sry, just joined, what's up?
[22:08] <spider__> Mamarok: hi, i'm unable to run apt-get (and login in kde4) because i've got the error above with apt-get
[22:09] <Mamarok> spider__: as I said, only just joined at 23:02, didn't see your request, but support usually should go to #kubuntu
[22:10] <word> With the kubuntu expermintal ppa for kde 4.3 packages it appears that python-kde4 doesn't have a 4.2.85 version package..so it's sitting at 4.2.4. I believe this is why update-notifier-kde's python instance is using 160mb of memory and incrementing by 20mb and temporarily using 25% cpu (on a quad core) everytime there's a apt-get update run.
[22:10] <spider__> Mamarok: opss, sorry... the error above is   "missing file with file list in the package kdelibs-bin" and libplasma3 is missing a newline, with apt-get
[22:11] <Mamarok> spider__: sry, what are you trying to update to? Jaunty, Karmic?, which KDE version?
[22:12] <spider__> Mamarok: jaunty with kde4 ppa
[22:12] <Mamarok> hm, KDE 4.2.3?
[22:13] <spider__> yes
[22:15] <Mamarok> spider__: there should be no problems normally, try sudo apt-get update, then sudo apt-get upgrade again and pastebin the erro output you get
[22:16] <Mamarok> spider__: again, support really belongs in #kubuntu, not here
[22:16] <spider__> Mamarok: ok, i go in #kubuntu
[22:29] <apachelogger> back in blue
[22:29] <Mamarok> huhu loggerlein :)
[22:30] <apachelogger> sali Mamarok
[22:31] <apachelogger> markey: any suggestions on how to improve the script (design)?
[22:31]  * apachelogger was thinking about refactor#2 already ;-)
[22:36] <apachelogger> vorian: did you upload the daisy plasmoid?
[22:36] <Mamarok> apachelogger: is there still support for gutsy or has it reached it's end of life?
[22:37] <apachelogger> EOL
[22:37] <Quintasan> It's just me or Dolphin got a lot slower on generating thumbnails?
[22:37] <Mamarok> that's waht I rhought too, thx
[22:38] <apachelogger> Mamarok: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu that page listes the series status
[22:38] <apachelogger> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+series that for complete list obviously :D
[22:38] <Mamarok> thx :)
[22:39] <groo_> apachelogger: hi harald
[22:39] <apachelogger> Quintasan: in 4.3?
[22:39] <Quintasan> apachelogger: yup
[22:39] <apachelogger> groo_: hola ... interested in creating amarok 2.1 packages for karmic and jaunty?
[22:39] <apachelogger> Quintasan: not using 4.3 :P
[22:39] <groo_> apachelogger: do you know if you guys have some patch to enable kdebindings to compile cleanly with jaunty?
[22:39] <Quintasan> apachelogger: I mean when you mouse over the video file, mplayerthumbs dont even work :P
[22:39] <apachelogger> also I don't really visit pciture folders in dolphin
[22:39] <apachelogger> I figured that is what gwenview is for :P
[22:39] <groo_> apachelogger: i already did.. i just didnt sent it to my ppa, i can send you a diff if you want
[22:40] <groo_> Quintasan: yes it does
[22:40] <apachelogger> groo_: diff.gz and dsc please
[22:40] <apachelogger> also
[22:40] <apachelogger> 2.1?
[22:40] <apachelogger> like in final
[22:40] <Quintasan> groo_: you are sure? it doesn't work here
[22:40] <groo_> Quintasan: it does here, kde 4.3 beta 1.. i made my own mplayerthumbs package from svn
[22:40] <apachelogger> Quintasan: maybe your machine is just b0rked :P
[22:41] <Quintasan> groo_: from svn, I'm using ubuntu package
[22:41] <groo_> apachelogger: did it come out today? my build is from tuesday
[22:41] <apachelogger> nah
[22:41] <apachelogger> it is in pre-release-packaging state
[22:42] <vorian> apachelogger: nay, not able to atm
[22:42] <apachelogger> i.e. restricted access only
[22:42] <apachelogger> vorian: ok, I'll upload
[22:42] <vorian> roger that
[22:43] <apachelogger> Quintasan: pgame uploaded
[22:43] <apachelogger> neversfelde: daisy uploaded
[22:43] <Quintasan> apachelogger: :3
[22:43] <Quintasan> groo_: and where did you find svn repo for mplayerthumbs?
[22:43] <groo_> apachelogger: how can it be restricted? i just need to update the svn
[22:43] <groo_> Quintasan: why, in kde svn ofcourse
[22:43] <Quintasan> ah
[22:44] <Quintasan> right
[22:44] <groo_> Quintasan: svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk/kdereview/mplayerthumbs
[22:44] <Quintasan> groo_: thanks, saves me time :P
[22:44] <groo_> groo_: ah, target as moved..
[22:44] <groo_> Quintasan: target as moved
[22:44] <apachelogger> Riddell: kopete-facebook should go to experimental first IMHO
[22:45] <groo_> Quintasan: please tell me where do you find it
[22:45] <Quintasan> @_@
[22:45] <apachelogger> groo_: no, you need the official tarball
[22:45] <apachelogger> or you need to run my all fancy release script and fetch from the 2.1 tag, but just getting plain svn ain't gonna do it
[22:46] <groo_> apachelogger: master is open again for amarok? oO
[22:47] <apachelogger> master?
[22:47] <groo_> apachelogger: master branch
[22:47] <vorian> MASTER
[22:47] <groo_> apachelogger: im interested in the new docking code that it will be merged for 2.2
[22:47] <groo_> apachelogger: where do i get the official tarball in order to make a official kubuntu package?
[22:48] <groo_> apachelogger: or the url for svn 2.1 tag
[22:49] <Quintasan> groo_:  svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/tags/KDE/4.2.85/kdemultimedia/mplayerthumbs/
[22:49] <groo_> Quintasan: ahh it was imported directly into kdemultimedia, nice :) well, its working here allright
[22:50] <apachelogger> groo_: the tag alone is not enough :P
[22:50] <apachelogger> read what I wrote
[22:50] <Quintasan> that means we won't need separate package for it? :P
[22:50] <apachelogger> only my all fancy release script makes the tag a real amarok tarball
[22:50] <apachelogger> anyway
[22:50] <apachelogger> groo_: I'll drop you a url
[22:51] <groo_> apachelogger: ok, then where can i download your all fancy shmancy super dupper release script? ¬¬
[22:51] <apachelogger> if only I knew :P
[22:52] <vorian> brother
[22:52] <apachelogger> groo_: anyway, beware that you are not to distribute or publish it until upstream lifts the embargo (i.e. publishes the release notes)
[22:52]  * groo_ thinks apachelogger is more crazy then usual
[22:52] <vorian> where art thou
[22:52] <groo_> apachelogger: sure :) ill just build it to myself and send the diffs to you
[22:53] <groo_> apachelogger: i use debuild -S -sa btw
[22:53] <apachelogger> that is what is most common
[22:53] <apachelogger> muahah
[22:53] <apachelogger> vorian: honey, you are not making sense either :P
[22:53] <groo_> apachelogger: yeah, im lazy, but i use ppa to check if my packages arent polluted
[22:53] <vorian> apachelogger: yeah, that's my job though
[22:53] <vorian> :P
[22:53] <apachelogger> groo_: that is what pbuilder is for
[22:54] <apachelogger> !pbuilder
[22:54] <apachelogger> vorian: rly?
[22:54] <apachelogger> fancy job I must say
[22:54] <groo_> apachelogger: yeah i know, but its a pain to configure and my notebook is old and weak... so i just upload it to my ppa and see if it breaks
[22:54] <apachelogger> ppa != sensible testbuild
[22:54] <apachelogger> and it is not a pain to configure
[22:55] <neversfelde> apachelogger: thanks
[22:55] <apachelogger> not with my all fancy example config anyways
[22:55] <vorian> yeah, but
[22:55] <apachelogger> and don't ask where that is
[22:55] <neversfelde> that was hard work for a plasma-widget :)
[22:55] <apachelogger> coz I rly don't no
[22:55] <apachelogger> prolly the darn slow messy wiki
[22:55] <groo_> apachelogger: and wheres the wiki? :D
[22:55] <apachelogger> /bin/sh: cmake: not found
[22:55] <apachelogger> weeeee
[22:56] <apachelogger> Riddell: did you make the qjson package at 4am at UDS?
[22:56] <apachelogger> without having slept and stuff
[22:56] <apachelogger> Riddell: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/qjson
[22:58] <apachelogger> !wiki
[22:58] <apachelogger> groo_: wiki
[22:58] <neversfelde> can we put a backport of ksshaskpass in the backport ppa? Many users seem to have problems with the KDE3 package in jaunty
[22:59] <apachelogger> oh
[22:59] <apachelogger> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/QuiltMagic
[22:59] <apachelogger> look what I found :D
[22:59] <groo_> apachelogger: btw why doesnt policykit shows up in 4.3 kde systemsettings? it did for 4.2
[23:00] <apachelogger> groo_: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/BuildEnvironment
[23:00] <apachelogger> groo_: maybe policykit-kde is not installed?
[23:00] <apachelogger> for 4.3 it was splitted in a Qt and KDE part
[23:00] <groo_> apachelogger: funny you.. yes it is
[23:00] <apachelogger> then I dunno
[23:01] <apachelogger> b0rked!
[23:01] <apachelogger> order a new one and complain to the manager :P
[23:01] <apachelogger> hm, uh, uh, uh, why would one want to package a python plasmoid? Oo
[23:01] <groo_> apachelogger: does it shows up in your systemsettings?
[23:02] <apachelogger> how pointless is that oh dear motu
[23:02] <apachelogger> groo_: I aint got no 4.3 runnin'
[23:02] <groo_> apachelogger: less pointless then shipping a broken network plasma manager as default in jaunty and saying they did it instead of shipping worki nm-applet because of "lack of space"
[23:03] <apachelogger> well
[23:03] <apachelogger> it was working for me
[23:03] <apachelogger> in general I have the opinion that broken software is a result of too little love towards the software
[23:03] <Quintasan> argh, I hate my pc
[23:04] <vorian> i hate your pc too
[23:04]  * vorian runs
[23:04]  * Quintasan gives his PC to vorian
[23:04] <vorian> :o
[23:04] <Quintasan> you would hate it, belive me :<
[23:05] <groo_> apachelogger: plasma network mannager isnt finished.. if the ones who had the final word did bothered to read the TODO would see its not even close to be finished
[23:05] <groo_> apachelogger: maybe in 4.4
[23:05] <Quintasan> you would throw it out throught a window, but I can't do it because I will have no PC then :O
[23:05] <groo_> apachelogger: and yes it works if you have wpa or wpa2, but for everyone else.. tough love
[23:05] <Quintasan> trough*
[23:06] <groo_> Quintasan: just like marriage
[23:06]  * groo_ wonders when apachelogger will send the url for amarok 2.1 final.. let me see if the svn has the 2.1 tag already...
[23:07] <markey> apachelogger: wrt the release script, nope, seems fine to me. we'll prolly have to extend it to support git soon, but that should be possible with the script's framework
[23:07] <markey> in general I found the new script sane and well designed
[23:07] <apachelogger> well, it could be more dynamic, especially in regards to the VCS as you said :)
[23:08] <neversfelde> yay, topic is longer again
[23:14] <apachelogger> yay
[23:16] <groo_> apachelogger: compiling amarok 2.1.1
[23:16] <groo_> apachelogger: just to see if everything is ok
[23:17] <groo_> amarok_2.1.1~svn975748
[23:19] <Quintasan> groo_: you made a package for mplayerthumbs?
[23:20] <Quintasan> groo_: but not using checkinstall :P
[23:20] <groo_> Quintasan: you are either kidding or offending me
[23:20] <groo_> Quintasan: or both :P
[23:21] <Quintasan> groo_: just joking :P
[23:22] <nixternal> I can see some have read the list recently and added themselves to the todo list, now how about responding damnit and letting me know how you want it done...right now I am going for simplistic and functional, like the BugSquad has done with their team pages
[23:22] <Quintasan> I can't make it build, CMake complains about using nonexisting function
[23:22] <apachelogger> nixternal: simple = good
[23:22] <nixternal> I am tired of writing documentation and doing wiki stuff if it isn't appreciated because someone doesn't like it....the great thing about a wiki, if you don't like it, you can change it...but I guess it is easier to write up a spec/gobby thing/or file a bug on LP in hopes that someone else will do it for you ;p
[23:23] <nixternal> oh, the great thing about the open source world is if you don't like it, FORK IT! :P
[23:23] <apachelogger> fork ubuntu wiki?
[23:23] <apachelogger> pretty pretty please
[23:24] <Quintasan> nixternal++ simple == usable
[23:25] <nixternal> apachelogger: meant fork it more for the system documentation than I did the wiki
[23:25] <apachelogger> meh
[23:25] <nixternal> but I wouldn't mind something other than moinmoin, or at least add more plugins so you can make moinmoin much more usable
[23:25] <apachelogger> television rules the nation though
[23:25] <nixternal> i have been finding that the television is damn near useless
[23:25] <apachelogger> on that I agree
[23:25] <nixternal> if and when I do sit down to watch tv, I notice I tend to abuse it and watch to much of it
[23:26]  * Quintasan haven't watched TV for a month
[23:26]  * apachelogger doesn't know why ubuntu wiki ain't just yet another mediawiki
[23:26] <nixternal> plus with youtube and hulu, who needs tv anyways
[23:26] <apachelogger> was it because it not being python?
[23:26] <nixternal> man, hulu has a great commercial out right now with dennis leary
[23:26] <apachelogger> hulu? isn't that a groupware from novell?
[23:26] <nixternal> apachelogger: probably
[23:26] <nixternal> hulu is good stuff...i get to watch all of those old tv shows I did when I was a kid
[23:27] <vorian> hulu rocks
[23:29] <nixternal> i watched the jay leno episodes last night on it
[23:29] <nixternal> the best of ross was killer
[23:29]  * nixternal needs food
[23:29] <vorian> you know, NBC is stupid
[23:29] <Quintasan> screw this mplayerthumbs, CMake_File_List.txt is borked
[23:29] <vorian> they cancelled all their good shows for Jay
[23:30] <vorian> i hope it burns them
[23:30] <apachelogger> Quintasan: CMakeLists.txt it is
[23:30]  * vorian loved Life
[23:30]  * apachelogger aint got a life either
[23:30] <apachelogger> just like nbc I guess
[23:30] <vorian> haha
[23:30] <Quintasan> apachelogger: whatever, it is borked
[23:30] <apachelogger> b0rked!
[23:31] <apachelogger> b0rked(tm)!
[23:31] <vorian> borked ™
[23:31] <vorian> ✓
[23:31] <vorian> ☭
[23:31] <apachelogger> ah!
[23:31] <Quintasan> vorian: :D
[23:31] <Quintasan> ☭
[23:31] <Quintasan> :DD
[23:31]  * apachelogger needs to go to the toilet but is too tired to stand up
[23:32] <apachelogger> well, only one option I suppose
[23:32]  * vorian has several auto-complete unicode stuff
[23:32] <vorian> haha
[23:32] <apachelogger> harder, better, faster, stronger
[23:33] <apachelogger> sounds like KDE 2.0
[23:33] <apachelogger> that was one awesome version
[23:38] <apachelogger> markey: http://websvn.kde.org:80/trunk/KDE/kdesdk/scripts/createtarball/create_tarball.rb?revision=968069&view=markup
[23:38] <apachelogger> your script was forked so many times I have lost count :P
[23:38] <apachelogger> copies are all over KDE
[23:38] <Quintasan> lol
[23:39] <apachelogger> there is also one in kdeedu IIRC
[23:39] <apachelogger> so
[23:39] <groo_> apachelogger: i remember that everyone scrambled when 3.0 was out because of the "new" window decoration
[23:39] <Quintasan> f0rked™
[23:40] <apachelogger> markey: I think: move the lib stuff to kdesdk/scripts/extragear-release-script then link that to amarok's release script folder as lib
[23:40] <apachelogger> in the folder we store the amarok2.rb
[23:40] <apachelogger> that way we only have the core in kdesdk and the app scripts stored along the app source
[23:40] <apachelogger> plus this can be applied for every other extragear app as well
[23:41] <vorian> kgrab ftw
[23:41] <nixternal> ksnapshot ftw
[23:41] <vorian> lol
[23:41] <vorian> quickaccess
[23:41] <vorian> er
[23:41] <vorian> stop moving fingers
[23:41] <nixternal> heh
[23:42] <apachelogger> Quintasan: well, really, that script is the best example of f0rked™
[23:42] <vorian> that was just a hostile takeover
[23:42] <apachelogger> I forked it once, then digikam forked it twice, once for digikam and once for kipi, kdeedu forked it as well, and apparently there is another fork in kdesdk
[23:42] <apachelogger> and I think I saw it somewhere else as well
[23:44] <Quintasan> I still don't get it why someone would fork ksnapshot, both are damn slow for me :P
[23:44]  * Quintasan loves the pastebin plasmoid
[23:45] <apachelogger> rsibreak had a fork
[23:46] <Quintasan> Are there any apps without a fork? :D
[23:46] <apachelogger> squash forked it
[23:47] <apachelogger> well, a lot of forks :P
[23:47] <Quintasan> http://imagebin.ca/view/xyR5oA.html  <--- this is what you get when you pastebin images without looking at thumbs
[23:50] <groo_> oh btw guys.. after two months testing qt 4.5.1 with raster enabled and sending bug reports, i can report to you you can now activate raster by default in the next kubuntu release.. its WAY faster for scrolling and rendering and its very stable now (today the last remaining bug (in bespin) was fixed in svn)
[23:51] <groo_> Quintasan: ahh quiantasan.. did you enabed mplayerthumbs in dolphin preview settings? its an option now :) if not, no thumbs for you
[23:52] <Quintasan> wat
[23:53] <groo_> Quintasan: in dolphin.. you need to enable the mplayerthumb plugin/option in preview tab in order to activate mplayerthumbs
[23:54] <Quintasan> woah
[23:54] <Quintasan> it's alive
[23:54] <Quintasan> :D
[23:54] <Quintasan> thanks groo_
[23:55] <groo_> Quintasan: yeah i had the same problem.. i went the easy route and just went to see the kdemultimedia code :D
[23:56] <nixternal> http://imagebin.ca/view/S9LQ-ZMX.html  <- what theme is that? it looks sharp
[23:57] <vorian> Leopard?
[23:57] <neversfelde> air?
[23:57] <nixternal> that isn't air
[23:58] <neversfelde> looks like my jaunty air
[23:58] <nixternal> air isn't shiny like that