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kn100hey, hows work on the new iconset coming along00:25
* kwwii wakes up, back at home after two weeks. cooks breakfast05:20
SiDiHi people08:55
kwwiihi SiDi09:02
SiDiHello kwwii09:02
kwwiiyes, I did miss you in the session09:02
kwwii:p09:02
SiDi:D09:02
SiDii was sitting on the left of sarts09:02
SiDiwith a white t-shirt :p and i, ahem, didnt speak :p09:02
SiDibtw i got a question to ask you :p09:03
SiDifinished some extra notification-battery- icons yesterday for a mockup09:03
SiDiand i'd like to know, since the current notification- icons are not yet in the standard naming specs, if its feasible to add icons to Human09:03
kwwiiyou can put extra icons in the package directly09:05
kwwiior are they in the style of the current notification icons?09:05
kwwiinot sure I understand exactly what we are discusisng ;)09:05
SiDihttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WKdipXSNs0 :P09:06
SiDihttp://filebin.ca/octsou/notification-battery-icons_0.1.tar.gz09:06
* kwwii fires up inkscape09:09
kwwiihrm, those should replace the current ones, right?09:10
kwwiiand as the current ones are from canonical, it is not so easy to replace them09:10
kwwiiwe might suggest this to the designer who did the current stuff09:10
SiDiWell, these dont exist at the moment, for notifications09:11
SiDihttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Specifications/Karmic/NotifyOsd09:11
kwwiicurrently we are limiting the usage of color09:11
SiDiSee the end of this09:11
kwwiiI suggest sending an email to the art list with your stuff, rendered and a link to the svg's as well as a pointer to that page and a quick explanation of what you propose09:13
kwwiithat way we can work on it from an artwork perspective09:13
SiDiokeyz09:17
kwwiime wanders off, grocery shopping and such...bbl09:32
kn1001hey guys, i need a quick hand with Inkscape11:00
kn1001i am trying to make a music folder icon for the new breathe iconset, but when i open the stock_folder.svg file it will NOT let me draw onto it. It says to unhide a layer, but how would you do that/11:00
kn1001I'm quite new to this, but am finding it VERY similar to my last graphics package, so it seems very easy11:01
thorwilkn1001, hit Ctrl+Shift+L for the layers panel11:02
thorwilit's also in the menus somewhere11:02
thorwilgotta run, bbl11:02
kn1001thorwil: Thanks!11:02
kn1001that worked!11:02
SiDihi thorwil btw :p11:04
kn1001hey, in the ubuntu-home icon, is there any way i can find out the exact values used for the gradient on the home part of it?11:08
thorwilyo SiDi11:38
SiDithorwil, give me feedback on this please : https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-art/2009-May/010514.html :p11:39
thorwilSiDi, i think you should either try to make the icon look cylindrical, or like a cut through a battery11:44
thorwilin the later case, the walls on top and bottom would have to be thinner, i guess11:44
thorwilshould look more like metal, less like plastic11:50
SiDiwell, i stayed with the original design of notification-* icons11:53
SiDiwhich are a bit "cartoon"11:53
SiDiill try to do what you mean and see what it gives11:53
thorwiloh, i was in Breathe mode ;)11:53
SiDiyour breathe doesnt depend on human ? /p11:56
thorwilhmm?11:56
SiDiI got Breathe to depend on Human theme, so i get Human notification- icons :P11:57
SiDiyou meant you were in "Breathe Brain Mode" ? :P11:57
thorwilyeah11:57
thorwilafter disabling notifications on incoming email, i get none at all11:58
SiDiahah11:58
thorwil(except those stupid custom firefox download-finished things)11:58
SiDii get them for wifi/music/firefox downloads/battery low/brightness :P11:59
SiDiand im coding the daemon to get the volume ones in xubuntu11:59
dashuaSiDi: Battery icons are sweet.  Pushed a few more changes to Hanso.  Criticism welcomed as always :)13:36
SiDidashua, alright :P13:38
SiDii've got to go buy food soon tho13:38
dashuaYummy13:44
SiDii'm back :d15:15
SiDimacvr, ping15:15
macvrSiDi: hi...15:15
SiDimacvr, hi15:15
SiDiyou're the person who submitted the nm icons, right ?15:16
macvrSiDi: yup..15:16
SiDiokey :P15:16
SiDii'm gonna give you my point of view over it here then, cause i tend to have epic failures with the mailing list ;)15:16
SiDijust wanted to say, i do like the curved one, but i think the colours need a bit of tweaking15:17
SiDithe orange in nm-signal-50 is quite aggressive15:17
SiDialmost red, while it is common to have a signal ~50% in public places15:17
macvrSiDi: they are just in prelim stage... colors are difficult for me since i'm getting used to the white background of inkscape..:(15:17
SiDithe best to do is to try the icons in "real life", macvr ;)15:18
SiDidid you check how the dark grey would render on white / dark panels yet ?15:18
macvrSiDi: that is why it is taking time...15:18
SiDiI think white could give a better result, you should try it too15:18
macvryeah i know that the grey was wrong too...15:19
macvrits just that sometimes when i change the icon themes , my firefox crashes!15:19
SiDihuh :P15:19
macvrso i try to use test it less. :(15:20
SiDiThats a bad bug :o15:20
SiDiDo you use a custom firefox theme or something particular ? :/15:20
macvrno...15:20
macvrbut i usually have a flash running , so that probably is the problem15:21
macvrSiDi: i know that the colors are a huge problem, but since Cory has been quite resistent to new nm icons i havent paid much attention to the colors , so was basically trying to get the design approved before i get to making them better looking15:23
SiDidashua, Hanso still breaks my panel hard :D15:23
SiDimacvr, imo colours are part of the design :) the curved shape is really great, but i now want to see it with well tested colours, and rendered in little size15:24
SiDiDont forget to render in little sizes when you add a submission btw15:24
SiDiit helps seeing the final result15:24
macvrSiDi: i'm just not sure how to get that template to work? how does the breathe template work? does it render all the sizes on my desktop or only on bazar?15:26
SiDiOh, i don't know either :D15:26
SiDiI didnt make any breathe icon ;)15:26
SiDiI think they export PNGs in different sizes manually, doing tweaks if they think its needed15:27
SiDiand then they make the PNG preview icon they put in submissions15:27
SiDi(or... they use a secret script :p)15:27
macvrthere was some mention about the script , ....  but i get ur point of the colors being part of the design... will try to get the colors right, only recently i'v figured out shadows,lighting in inkscape15:28
SiDiOh, there are still many things i didnt figure at all :D15:29
SiDiFortunately i only need it for some quick diagrams for presentations, i dont actually do artwork ^^15:29
macvrSiDi: actually on testing the orange doesnt look that bad , i thought i could add more brightness!15:29
macvrSiDi: i too do this mainly as a hobby...15:30
SiDidashua, feedback on Hanso : looks coffee-ish :) I like it but i also regret the tabs are now smoother, cause i liked the look of the old ones. I suppose the color changes of the toolbar are done for better integration with metacity, and my xfwm is abit late on this15:30
SiDidashua, so i think i'll have to change the xfwm ? :D Also, i really dont like the grey-brown color when you hover a scrollbar, it doesnt fit the theme. I'd use a creamy brown instead.15:31
SiDidashua, also, i dont think using a pixmap engine for panels is a good approach. I think its better to provide a panel image for those who have "default size" 24px panels, but with any other size, and with vertical panels, Hanso is broken15:33
SiDimacvr, i dont have anything about the use of orange itself, i just think 50% should be green/yellow more than orange/red as its actually a "working but a bit slow" wifi ;)15:33
SiDimacvr, and not a "careful, almost broken" wifi (thatd be 35-40%15:34
SiDi:D15:34
macvrSiDi: ok... i guess i have to think broader... i get ur point, i'll test it with yellow , and update the icons.... is anything wrong with the  ubuntu server? i get some mails late15:36
SiDihm, dont know15:43
SiDiit has a lot of mails to send, sometimes routing an email takes time when your own mail provider is busy15:43
SiDisometimes you're greylisted by a provider and mails come one day late, too15:44
SiDicheck https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-art/ if you wanna see if theres a new email15:44
macvrSiDi: i just got a reply wher someon asked for the orange to look like the go-home icon orange! similar to the one i had chosen!15:46
SiDimacvr, i'll have to post on the ML to disagree then XD15:47
SiDiI really dont think an half signal should have such a strong colour ;)15:47
macvrSiDi: he he15:47
SiDifor instance, human uses only blue, even for ~25% signal15:47
macvrSiDi: i do get ur point... maybe as u said i'll try yellowish15:48
macvrSiDi: but human is probably older by 5 yrs or so... the icons are hi-color set , so probably the restrictions15:49
SiDithats true :p15:49
SiDiwhat icon will you use for a broken connection ?15:49
SiDiyou'll keep the big '!' ?15:49
macvrSiDi: for no signal?15:50
SiDiyes15:50
macvryeah i will keep the "!"15:50
SiDibecause i thought about that : if an user shuts the connection down manually (i mean, uncheck "Enable wireless network") because he doesnt want his pc to auto connect, for instance15:51
SiDithen an exclamation mark might not be appropriated, as it is used for drawing the attention, while the user would only want to shutdown wifi and doesnt want to be told he did shut it down15:51
macvrSiDi: that instance the wired connection disconnect kicks in15:51
SiDiBut i fear its the same icon for a broken connection and a disabled wifi15:53
macvrno signal, because once the wireless doesnt connect , the system checks for the wired connection and if that is not connected, the , wired-disconnected is displayed... no signal rarely kicks in,15:54
macvrno-signal icon never used!15:55
SiDiah15:55
SiDithats actually true :p15:55
macvri just liked the "!" , thats y i added it :P15:56
macvrbut i use that icon with notify-osd... ,15:56
macvrfor connection lost15:56
SiDihm, it could be great if you can get a list of the icon names, make a quick (even not finished at all, like : big fuschia circle, big green triangle, etc :p) icon for all the names, and use it to see when icons are used15:57
macvr^? i didnt understand15:58
SiDiMake a theme with an icon for all the currently existing names, with "fake" icons, and use it to see when icons kick in15:59
SiDiThat'll help you to know when an icon is used in the good context, when you put your own Breathe icons in this "testing" theme16:00
macvrsorry, was away... i did something like that initially...but when the no signal icon is never used  , it still needs to be created,right? to make the icon set complete!16:22
macvrSiDi: is James Schriver > dashua? because i think he suggested the orange from go-home... would the yellow from the first nm-signal-50 be a better choice?16:27
SiDimacvr, actually maybe you shall make several icons with colours :)16:28
SiDimaybe i'll myself pick your icons and try colours on my side too16:28
macvrSiDi: did u try the reconnection animation?16:29
* _MMA_ waves16:44
SiDihi _MMA_16:50
SiDimacvr, no, i only saw the stuff in animations16:51
SiDimacvr, i usually dont touch Breathe till someone sends me a .deb with the icons <- incarnal of laziness16:51
SiDimacvr, where can i get the animation ones ?16:55
richwjonesBreathe is looking good.. will that be default in karmic?16:55
macvrSiDi: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-art/2009-May/010477.html i'v attached to this mail... its my set of png...16:56
SiDiThey're sexy, but they dont fit with the signal icons :P17:01
_MMA_macvr: That would be my only criticism as well. They just don't have the same feel as the current icons.17:06
macvrSiDi: u mean fit as in >that the png look different from the svg? or ?17:08
_MMA_Stylistically17:08
macvr_MMA_: oh... they dont fit with the breathe icon set? ok...17:10
_MMA_macvr: That said, we might be able to get one of the other guys to bring it around for you to use as a base. That might help.17:11
macvr_MMA_: that would be nice...17:12
_MMA_macvr: I'll see what I can do.17:12
macvr_MMA_: if it is made to fit , i could complete the set , its just that the reconnect needs a new look :)17:14
_MMA_k17:14
* _MMA_ does *not* wanna deal with DevianArt. (only wants to put it there for advertising)17:17
_MMA_"it" = Breathe17:18
macvr_MMA_: the other day u were asking for portfolio... i didnt understand , thought u were asking about any previous iconset i had created! > http://drvi.deviantart.com/ < this is my actual "published" work :P17:18
_MMA_macvr: No. *Any* art you've done. ;)17:20
macvr_MMA_: i got confused!  only after receiving the mailing list "joining" i realized what u meant...17:21
_MMA_;)17:21
SiDimacvr, that the icons of the animation represent an antenna, but different from the signal one17:22
SiDi(The "art" i've done myself is censored, for the sake of my reputation :p)17:23
_MMA_Really? :)17:23
* _MMA_ is curious now.17:23
_MMA_Hi Rico17:28
rsc___hey mma.17:28
rsc___what's up?17:28
_MMA_Not much. Doing some Breathe stuff and unwinding from work.17:28
rsc___how's breathe coming along?17:29
_MMA_rsc: You not been watchin' the list?17:29
_MMA_rsc: Alot of info there but a direct answer would be "Very well."17:31
_MMA_We just had our 1st official release.17:31
_MMA_http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Breathe+Icon+Theme?content=10587317:32
* _MMA_ -> Shower17:33
SiDi_MMA_, i wait for the bigger comment for the notification-battery icons ^_^17:37
rsc____MMA_: been taking quite a break, sorry i havent been in the loop :)17:38
rsc___looking nice17:38
rsc___i see the folder hasn't changed since17:38
_MMA_rsc: Nope. Minor revisions but nothing compelling has come along to replace it.. The discussion on a change is ongoing.17:52
SiDiWhat do you have against this poor folder ?17:56
macvrSiDi: the straight on look ! ...17:57
_MMA_Everyone has to realize this thing *has* to look like a mashup between the Human and Oxygen ones. Little details make all the difference.17:58
_MMA_And of the ones (submissions) where the perspective has changed, they just haven't hit that "Feels like a mashup" mark for me.17:59
_MMA_Or "Like an evolution".17:59
macvr_MMA_: just changing the perspective of the present folder to the angle of the sebastian's folder... ? how would that be? just a thought... :)18:01
* _MMA_ looks for Sebastien's folder.18:01
macvrits in the discussions18:01
_MMA_https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/BreatheIconSet/Discussion18:03
_MMA_macvr: It's generally fine, but I'm really hoping someone comes along with something a bit different.18:04
_MMA_Hits little details (the dots and glow) but has a different spin WRT the perspective.18:04
macvr_MMA_: yeah... different would be nice, but until that comes along...the folder of sebastien's angle would make it look sexier now! :)18:05
_MMA_macvr: Please see: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-art/2009-May/010506.html18:07
macvr_MMA_: i think u got me wrong... the present folder looks great , but adding perspective would be better IMAO18:07
macvr_MMA_: actually i didnt like the lesser red idea... but didnt wanna comment and be the black sheep :)18:10
_MMA_Sure sure. But that post sums up my general feelings re: Folder change.18:11
macvr_MMA_: since i think the folder would "glow" in dark nautilus backgrounds!18:11
macvr_MMA_: i understand , u are trying to replace human...18:11
_MMA_macvr: Since that's an uncommon occurrence, I'm not designing for that. ;)18:12
macvr_MMA_: i meant with the modification[lesser red], the folder is more bright!18:12
macvr_MMA_: replacing is fine but human icon set is old! more and more "new" icon sets seem to be adding the perspective! i think its more the "iron man" effect! so thought that just adding the perspective would spice up the folders! just my 2cents! but since u know more about the dev, u must be a better judge of their mindset...18:16
macvr_MMA_: have u had the time to look at the second set i'v uploaded earlier or did u comment only after having a look?18:59
macvr_MMA_: ping19:00
_MMA_macvr: The very act of using "_MMA_" in your 1st post is a ping. No need to actually say it. :P19:01
macvr_MMA_: i thought u dosed off! :P19:02
_MMA_macvr: No. Just other things to do. ;) And I looked before I commented.19:02
macvr_MMA_: ok... thanx ... any help to improve would be nice ...19:03
SiDiAm i allowed to troll more about the ms-dos mimetype icon ?19:04
macvrSiDi: i love it!19:04
SiDiI'm deadly serious when i say i'd never accept a windows logo on my desktop :] (not only for patent reason)19:04
_MMA_Sure. If you're looking for help now, I can't help ya. Trying to take care of some things and relax on my weekend.19:05
SiDiYeh, it can be as sexy as it wants to. First, the app that manages ms-dos is wine, not windows, Second, this is likely a patent violation, and also a recognition that we can't live without having windows beside us.19:05
macvrSiDi: actually i feel like i'm using the M$ as a small piece, just minisculling it !!!19:05
SiDiI dont think Microsoft has an Ubuntu logo for our binaries :]19:05
_MMA_SiDi: My comments on the list are how I feel.19:05
macvr_MMA_: no not right now!19:06
_MMA_np19:06
SiDiI see what you mean _MMA_ :)19:06
SiDithat could be a solution, but a non-windows and non-wine logo would drive the users in confusion : what is this icon, what is this program ?19:07
* _MMA_ notes latest (just a min ago) post.19:07
macvr_MMA_: i was saying that i would appreciate , the help to come :)19:07
SiDiAnd i do prefer associationg windows binaries to wine, even if i'm said to prefer so for political reasons :d19:07
_MMA_;)19:08
macvr_MMA_: anyway see you later, and if u could get some one to breathe the icons... just ping me :P ... i meant mail...19:08
_MMA_sure19:08
macvrbye19:09
macvr_MMA_: hi... <in general do not use "sebastian" on screens> what does this "sebastian" mean?19:26
macvri'v seen Daniel use it a lot in his mails... just didnt understand what he means by that??19:27
_MMA_His native language in not English.19:28
_MMA_He's just saying Sebastien (our lead artist) doesn't use gloss on screens.19:28
_MMA_(generally)19:28
macvroh... ok19:29
macvr thanx...19:29
_MMA_np19:29
macvrmay a great weekend... bye19:30
macvrhave19:30
_MMA_same19:30
SiDiupdated submissions with a wine ms-dos logo \o/19:39
_MMA_SiDi: Only thing I have against that (and has been argued on other lists) is that WINE is for Windows folks. Plain and simple. So the mimi should be recognizable to them. The WINE glass is not.19:41
_MMA_*mine19:41
_MMA_dammit19:41
_MMA_*mime19:41
SiDiWell, if we want to associate the mime with the icon of the handler19:41
SiDithen wine should be used19:41
SiDiand wine is also used by companies like google for stable windows versions of their apps19:41
SiDiit has official support by Spotify too, for instance, till someone codes them a linux client19:42
SiDibut if we associate wine apps with a windows logo, we say "the app that handles that and that we think you should use  is : windows"19:42
_MMA_SiDi: Also, that was damn lazy. You just grabbed the Tangoish icon and stuck it on the blank file to prove your point. You know that wouldn't be used. ;)19:42
dashuaSiDi: Alright mate. that panel issue is an easy fix and already committed justs needs uncommenting19:42
SiDiI took the official icon :D but its lazy indeed19:42
dashuaThe prelight on the scrollbat does look a bit green.  I will fix that.  Notebook tab you think the original are better?19:43
SiDidashua, yeh i know, but you should better put the pixmap code in comment and add a line about it in release note instead of risking breakage while releasing Hanso ;)19:43
dashuaI'll change19:43
SiDidashua, theyre not "better"19:43
SiDithe new ones fit better with Hanso19:43
SiDii just have a preference for the style of the old ones, but with your changes the current tabs are very consistent19:44
dashuaOk, I was kind of torn on that, but I felt they integrated better19:44
SiDiactually it looks like (i know the word isnt adapted) more creamy than before19:44
SiDilike coffee, indeed :D19:44
dashuaOk, thanks for the feedback19:44
dashuaYeah, that's what I was going for19:44
dashuaCream and contrast :P19:45
_MMA_SiDi: And just because you can point to a few small examples doesn't mean it oughtweighs the overwhelming fact that WINE if few people coming from Windows and My view is that a similar "Windows logo would help them.19:45
SiDi:p19:45
_MMA_;)19:45
SiDi_MMA_, i'm coming from windows indeed, even if i dont use it and make people pass onto linux when i can :D But, i use wine for apps that i never used on windows ;)19:45
_MMA_Damn. *is for people...19:45
dashua_MMA_: Please don't let the folder be changed.  I am the only one -1 for the new revisions.19:45
_MMA_SiDi: Again, in the minority.19:46
SiDi_MMA_, should we still consider it such a failure that we prefer to associate msdos files with windows instead of linux's own msdos file handler ?19:46
SiDiAlso, it answers another preoccupation of ex-windows users : how do i run windows apps ?19:46
SiDiif we say run it with wine, it helps them to understand19:46
SiDiwhen they dont have wine installed and have a wine glass icon for their exe, at least they have an hint19:47
SiDi_MMA_, did you follow Scott Ritchie's work about icons for exe files during UDS btw ?19:47
_MMA_No19:47
_MMA_1 sec19:47
_MMA_dashua: Trust me, it will be a hard fight. Especially as time goes on.19:47
dashua;)19:47
dashuaFocal point of the set IMO19:48
_MMA_SiDi: Also note that the "official" WINE icons were take from my Studio set. ;)19:48
SiDi_MMA_, you should be proud of that, shouldnt you ? :D19:48
_MMA_SiDi: Not really. :P They were given to me.19:48
SiDiSo, Scott Ritchie wanted to patch nautilus to directly show the original icon of the exe file, *alongside a wine mini icon in a corner*19:49
_MMA_I credit them somewhere. Forgot the name.19:49
SiDiyou should point that to wine devs to make sure they credit the good people :D19:49
_MMA_SiDi: Showing the original icon would be great.19:49
SiDii have the feeling i wont code tonight19:59
dashuaSiDi: http://www.ubuntu-pics.de/bild/15349/screenshot_CR21Dy.png20:10
dashuaChanges committed.  I'm starting to love notify-osd20:10
SiDiYar :D20:10
SiDiwhat is that thing letting you watch bzr revisions ? Oo20:11
dashuaIt's in synaptic20:11
dashuabzr-notify20:11
dashuaBazaar Notification20:12
SiDiaptitude search bzr20:14
SiDiwhich do you have please ?20:14
SiDii dont have bzr-notify20:14
dashuabzr-gtk maybe20:14
dashuaI can't remember =/20:14
SiDiyeh apparently20:14
SiDithat thing depends on nautilus x_x20:14
_MMA_odd20:14
_MMA_See what it needs it for. I've filed so many bugs aginst faulse depends.20:15
_MMA_*false20:15
SiDitheres a bzr-nautilus.py in source20:17
SiDiwondering why, but i dont really wanna read their code :P20:17
SiDianyways looks like the package wont work in Xubuntu20:17
SiDidashua, are you sure you updated the pics in your push ?20:18
_MMA_SiDi: Well if Xubuntu is using OSD-Notify I think it would be great to help remedy the situation.20:18
SiDiThey seem to be the same20:18
SiDi_MMA_, i use notify-osd :D20:18
SiDiand im the guy whos trying to get it integrated perfectly in xubuntu :)20:19
_MMA_Well *you* might. Does Xubuntu by default?20:19
dashuaSiDi: The scrollbar_prelight?20:19
SiDidashua, yeh20:19
dashuaI think.  Let me check20:19
SiDi_MMA_, normally yes, see20:19
SiDihttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Specifications/Karmic/NotifyOsd20:19
_MMA_SiDi: Gotcha.20:20
dashuaSiDi: Try again?20:24
dashuaMaybe not.  Gimme a sec =/20:26
SiDidashua, md5sum is different but the pic is the same ^^20:27
dashuaTry one more time20:30
dashuaMore grey now, see if that'll work20:31
SiDicompletely grey, even :D20:31
dashuaBetter than greenish-brown?20:32
SiDiis there anything in the theme that is grey/green when hovered ?20:32
dashuaNo20:32
dashuaI don't know what other colors will look good20:35
dashuaLight brown maybe?20:36
SiDilight brown cream20:38
SiDiuploading one20:38
SiDibut as im a gimp noob the hue is still too brown20:38
SiDihttp://img529.imageshack.us/img529/8643/screenshotouy.png20:39
dashuaKk20:40
dashuaI like :)20:40
_MMA_I gotta say, Breathe looks *way* nice in Thunar. Especially the sidebar.20:40
dashua_MMA_: It's the the theme mate ;020:41
dashua;)20:41
_MMA_:P20:41
SiDihttp://img23.imageshack.us/img23/1023/thunar.png !20:43
knomeSiDi, unfortunately can't agree :P20:44
SiDiknome, agee on what ? :P20:44
SiDi+r20:44
knomethat breathe looks nnice on thunar ;P20:44
knomeehm20:45
_MMA_bah. Who asked you. :P20:45
knomethat wasn't you saying that, lol20:45
knome_MMA_, nobody, i thought this was a free chat channel :P20:45
_MMA_Come on man. I said ":P"20:45
knomeit looks nice but not nicer than gnome-brave20:46
knomec'mon man, i've drank too much rum :P20:46
SiDi_MMA_ didnt say it looked *nicer*20:46
* knome tries to clear his head and thoughts20:46
knomeSiDi, i know (now) :P20:46
SiDi:D20:46
_MMA_knome: I was gonna ask for some of what you're smokin'. :)20:46
dashuaBlue is played out like suede on a hot summer's day.20:46
knomebut it does not look *amazinh* :)20:46
SiDihe smokes mouse hair20:46
_MMA_hahahahhahahah20:47
dashuaBrown is the new blue, you didn't hear ;)20:47
knomeh=g20:47
knomedashua, might be20:47
SiDidashua, didnt notice the sky was so polluted yet20:47
SiDi:D20:47
dashuaHa, it's getting there20:47
knomedashua, it would be interesting to see ubuntu moving to blue and xubuntu moving to brown20:47
dashuaI will distro hop then.20:48
knomejust for laughs... or sth.20:48
* SiDi notices he still didnt have any feedback for the notification-battery icons :'(20:48
knomeSiDi, the middle one looks good, the icons are *great*20:48
knomereally.20:48
SiDity :p20:49
_MMA_SiDi: I said this morning I liked the design. I'm looking over your original email now.20:49
SiDiactually im more trying to know wether or not its acceptable to have new icons for that. And wether you guys find it better to have 6 icns instead of the 0-25 25-50 50-75 75-100 ones20:50
SiDiand also, is it reasonable to put so many colours in notification- icons20:50
_MMA_SiDi: "Reasonable" Opinion I guess. I'd talk to the Canonical guys actually.20:51
_MMA_I've been meaning to chat with then about issues like this.20:51
SiDii already bugged Kenneth about this20:52
SiDiwaiting to see what they think of the icons20:52
SiDiI think its a lack for the power-managers20:52
_MMA_SiDi: Yeah. We should file bugs.20:52
SiDiatm the gnome one uses the info icon, and the xfce one a blurry generic icon20:52
SiDihm i'll wait for Kenneth's answer on the ML before filing another bug :P20:52
SiDianyways i dont know if gnome-power-manager and xfce4-power-manager will survive karmic so..20:53
_MMA_Actually, andreasn should know a good bit about these. I think I got it twisted and thought you were talking ODS stuff. Aren't these GNOME specific?20:53
SiDithe notification- icons ?20:54
SiDiThey're Human specific more or less20:54
SiDieven if the Human ones are meant to be shipped with notify-osd, as far as i know20:54
_MMA_SiDi: Well, the power ones anyway20:54
SiDixfce4 uses some power icons too20:54
SiDithe same ones for the battery state tray icon20:54
SiDiand they use those for the notifications, which do look ugly ^^20:55
_MMA_I remember andreasn mentioning GNOME had a special SVG with all the states in it to render out the various icons.20:55
_MMA_Kinda like the Breathe ones but more complex.20:55
SiDiThey use the generic "info" icon, at the moment20:55
SiDiWell, on my OS they do at least20:55
_MMA_Maybe in their "trunk" IDK.20:55
SiDiyou're on Ubuntu Jaunty GNOME, right ?20:55
_MMA_yep20:55
SiDiMind making a screenshot of the notification triggered by XF86Power pls ?20:56
_MMA_Only have Karmic in VM.20:56
_MMA_SiDi: Well I'm runnin' Studio and we didn't take on OSD for Jaunty.20:56
SiDioh20:56
_MMA_Doesn't really fit our use-case.20:56
SiDidashua, ? :D20:56
knome_MMA_, neither did xubuntu20:57
knome:]20:57
SiDi_MMA_, i personally think the design of notify-osd is much better than the notification-daemon one20:57
SiDiknome, thats cause noone bothered installing it Q_Q20:57
* _MMA_ senses a Xubuntu thorn here. :P20:57
knomeSiDi, nobody bothered as we didn't want it20:57
SiDiknome, when i asked cody the official reason he said "not enough time for testing"20:58
SiDiand there were *no objections* during the UDS "session" about it :p20:58
_MMA_Studio isn't really a desktop system and nothing by default really uses any notifications. So we skipped it.20:58
SiDiwhich was held in the coffee room :P20:58
knomeSiDi, i would not liked to see them (yet) in jaunty anyway20:58
SiDiknome, why's that ?20:58
knomeSiDi, still too untested for ubuntu also20:59
dashuaSiDi: Wanna test a different color all together.  Gonna push it.20:59
SiDiwell, missions of people use it, issues and knome and being worked on20:59
SiDidashua, okeys20:59
_MMA_knome: Well... Sometimes you just gotta throw stuff in.20:59
_MMA_Otherwise, you'll never get testing.20:59
SiDidashua, do you have a XF86Power key on your keyboard ? Mind giving me a screenshot please ? :D20:59
knomeSiDi, sure.20:59
SiDimillions *20:59
SiDinot missions20:59
* SiDi not drunk but tired21:00
knome_MMA_, i know. this just wasn't the time. we already did a completely new artwork set. :)21:00
dashuaMight be too maroonish, let me know?21:00
knomeme not tired but drunk21:00
_MMA_:P21:00
knomereally the wrong time to irc21:00
SiDidashua, wont let me pull. Sec21:00
SiDidashua, did you do push or is the server being slow ? :D21:01
dashuaTry now21:01
dashuaJust pushed21:01
dashuaRev. 3521:01
dashuaI have a really dark glossy monitor21:02
dashuaSo, it may look different to you.21:02
dashuaBlends with bg_selected a bit better21:03
dashuahttp://www.ubuntu-pics.de/bild/15354/screenshot_004_1R9w7q.png21:03
knomedashua, looks quite nice21:04
knomewhat is the scrollbar style?21:04
dashuaThx :)21:04
dashuaPixmap21:04
knomeright21:05
dashuaOne thing I don't think any of the engine do perfect21:05
dashuaengines*21:05
knomeokay..21:05
dashuaPixmap scrolls faster too for some reason21:06
dashuaI don't know why21:06
knomehmm21:06
knomedoesn't sound logical, but sounds kinda good21:06
dashuaMuch smoother especially on a web browser21:06
knomegood to know21:07
SiDiIt looks red now21:07
SiDia bit bordeaux21:07
dashuaIt's almost negligible21:07
_MMA_:D21:07
dashuaToo red21:07
SiDiits not negligible on bright screens :P21:07
SiDiI personally love the color :p21:07
dashuaOh, I'm talking about the scrolling21:08
knomered?21:08
SiDibut i suppose the goal is to have it the same color than the rest of the theme, isnt it ? /D21:08
SiDioh21:08
SiDi_MMA_, stop :Ding :P21:08
dashuaSiDi: Yeah, that's the idea21:08
dashuaPrelight looks much better going here though21:09
_MMA_SiDi: I'm a happy guy. :)21:09
_MMA_(kinda)21:10
SiDi_MMA_, better than the contrary, isnt it ? :]21:10
_MMA_Sure. I could drop a couple of "F-Bombs" if it would make ya feel better.21:10
knomejaegerbombs!21:11
_MMA_hehe21:11
* _MMA_ goes to get food. (tries to remember to hit up Cody about Xubuntu and ODS)21:12
SiDiCody disappeared :P21:12
knomebon appetit _MMA_21:12
knomealways21:12
SiDiBon appétit xD21:12
* SiDi hides.21:12
knomeehm21:12
SiDido you even have an 'é' key on your keyboard ? :P21:13
knomeif i combine two keys, yes21:14
SiDithat solaris manzur guy makes very interesting contributions to the mailing list21:15
knomesolaris manzur?21:15
SiDihttps://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-art/2009-May/author.html#1047721:16
dashuaSiDi, knome:Better worse ?  http://www.ubuntu-pics.de/bild/15355/screenshot_005_7Ok5ox.png21:16
SiDiworse :p21:17
SiDinot a fan of pink :x21:17
SiDinot with brown, at least :p21:17
dashuaOk21:17
knomelol21:17
SiDihey, knome got voice in #xfce-dev :O21:20
knomesure21:20
knome:P21:20
knomei bugged ofourdan :PP21:21
SiDiim the only people in both #xubuntu-devel and #xfce-dev who's unvoiced XD21:21
_MMA_bah. That crap doesn't matter.21:31
knomeyeah, not really21:32
SiDi_MMA_, which ? :P21:32
_MMA_Being "voiced"21:32
knomeexcept in #xfce-dev, which is +m21:32
_MMA_ /Most/ of the time it'd dumb e-status crap.21:33
knomeyes.21:33
knomeand something to extend your... thing.21:33
SiDi_MMA_, it doesnt rly matter indeed :P I cant speak but i have no reason to, so thats ok :D21:33
knomeSiDi, well at least in #xubuntu-devel we sitll let you speak even with no voices21:34
SiDiyeh21:34
SiDithats a bad idea, tho :D21:34
knomelol21:34
knomenot really21:34
knomeyou have some insightgful thoughts21:34
knomeand i almost treat you as part of the team already21:35
knomealmost because you have no real position on the team :P21:35
knomeyou've been a real help in the last weeks.21:36
_MMA_knome: And unless the channel is +m, the voice thing is unnecessary. Just a "I'm cool" thing.21:36
SiDiknome, thanks :]21:37
_MMA_In my experience it's a hindrance more than a plus.21:37
knomesure. even ops are unnecessary until there is somebody you have to kick/ban21:37
_MMA_exactly21:37
SiDidepends, for the ops thing :p people speak more freely when they dont _know_ there's an op21:37
_MMA_But I suspect #xfce-dev had some issues to +m the channel. I've been there before and it wasn't always like that.21:38
knomein freenode you usually don't know, as you can op yourself with chanserv only when needed once you have the op status21:38

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