[00:25] <kn100> hey, hows work on the new iconset coming along
[05:20]  * kwwii wakes up, back at home after two weeks. cooks breakfast
[08:55] <SiDi> Hi people
[09:02] <kwwii> hi SiDi
[09:02] <SiDi> Hello kwwii
[09:02] <kwwii> yes, I did miss you in the session
[09:02] <kwwii> :p
[09:02] <SiDi> :D
[09:02] <SiDi> i was sitting on the left of sarts
[09:02] <SiDi> with a white t-shirt :p and i, ahem, didnt speak :p
[09:03] <SiDi> btw i got a question to ask you :p
[09:03] <SiDi> finished some extra notification-battery- icons yesterday for a mockup
[09:03] <SiDi> and i'd like to know, since the current notification- icons are not yet in the standard naming specs, if its feasible to add icons to Human
[09:05] <kwwii> you can put extra icons in the package directly
[09:05] <kwwii> or are they in the style of the current notification icons?
[09:05] <kwwii> not sure I understand exactly what we are discusisng ;)
[09:06] <SiDi> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WKdipXSNs0 :P
[09:06] <SiDi> http://filebin.ca/octsou/notification-battery-icons_0.1.tar.gz
[09:09]  * kwwii fires up inkscape
[09:10] <kwwii> hrm, those should replace the current ones, right?
[09:10] <kwwii> and as the current ones are from canonical, it is not so easy to replace them
[09:10] <kwwii> we might suggest this to the designer who did the current stuff
[09:11] <SiDi> Well, these dont exist at the moment, for notifications
[09:11] <SiDi> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Specifications/Karmic/NotifyOsd
[09:11] <kwwii> currently we are limiting the usage of color
[09:11] <SiDi> See the end of this
[09:13] <kwwii> I suggest sending an email to the art list with your stuff, rendered and a link to the svg's as well as a pointer to that page and a quick explanation of what you propose
[09:13] <kwwii> that way we can work on it from an artwork perspective
[09:17] <SiDi> okeyz
[09:32] <kwwii> me wanders off, grocery shopping and such...bbl
[11:00] <kn1001> hey guys, i need a quick hand with Inkscape
[11:00] <kn1001> i am trying to make a music folder icon for the new breathe iconset, but when i open the stock_folder.svg file it will NOT let me draw onto it. It says to unhide a layer, but how would you do that/
[11:01] <kn1001> I'm quite new to this, but am finding it VERY similar to my last graphics package, so it seems very easy
[11:02] <thorwil> kn1001, hit Ctrl+Shift+L for the layers panel
[11:02] <thorwil> it's also in the menus somewhere
[11:02] <thorwil> gotta run, bbl
[11:02] <kn1001> thorwil: Thanks!
[11:02] <kn1001> that worked!
[11:04] <SiDi> hi thorwil btw :p
[11:08] <kn1001> hey, in the ubuntu-home icon, is there any way i can find out the exact values used for the gradient on the home part of it?
[11:38] <thorwil> yo SiDi
[11:39] <SiDi> thorwil, give me feedback on this please : https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-art/2009-May/010514.html :p
[11:44] <thorwil> SiDi, i think you should either try to make the icon look cylindrical, or like a cut through a battery
[11:44] <thorwil> in the later case, the walls on top and bottom would have to be thinner, i guess
[11:50] <thorwil> should look more like metal, less like plastic
[11:53] <SiDi> well, i stayed with the original design of notification-* icons
[11:53] <SiDi> which are a bit "cartoon"
[11:53] <SiDi> ill try to do what you mean and see what it gives
[11:53] <thorwil> oh, i was in Breathe mode ;)
[11:56] <SiDi> your breathe doesnt depend on human ? /p
[11:56] <thorwil> hmm?
[11:57] <SiDi> I got Breathe to depend on Human theme, so i get Human notification- icons :P
[11:57] <SiDi> you meant you were in "Breathe Brain Mode" ? :P
[11:57] <thorwil> yeah
[11:58] <thorwil> after disabling notifications on incoming email, i get none at all
[11:58] <SiDi> ahah
[11:58] <thorwil> (except those stupid custom firefox download-finished things)
[11:59] <SiDi> i get them for wifi/music/firefox downloads/battery low/brightness :P
[11:59] <SiDi> and im coding the daemon to get the volume ones in xubuntu
[13:36] <dashua> SiDi: Battery icons are sweet.  Pushed a few more changes to Hanso.  Criticism welcomed as always :)
[13:38] <SiDi> dashua, alright :P
[13:38] <SiDi> i've got to go buy food soon tho
[13:44] <dashua> Yummy
[15:15] <SiDi> i'm back :d
[15:15] <SiDi> macvr, ping
[15:15] <macvr> SiDi: hi...
[15:15] <SiDi> macvr, hi
[15:16] <SiDi> you're the person who submitted the nm icons, right ?
[15:16] <macvr> SiDi: yup..
[15:16] <SiDi> okey :P
[15:16] <SiDi> i'm gonna give you my point of view over it here then, cause i tend to have epic failures with the mailing list ;)
[15:17] <SiDi> just wanted to say, i do like the curved one, but i think the colours need a bit of tweaking
[15:17] <SiDi> the orange in nm-signal-50 is quite aggressive
[15:17] <SiDi> almost red, while it is common to have a signal ~50% in public places
[15:17] <macvr> SiDi: they are just in prelim stage... colors are difficult for me since i'm getting used to the white background of inkscape..:(
[15:18] <SiDi> the best to do is to try the icons in "real life", macvr ;)
[15:18] <SiDi> did you check how the dark grey would render on white / dark panels yet ?
[15:18] <macvr> SiDi: that is why it is taking time...
[15:18] <SiDi> I think white could give a better result, you should try it too
[15:19] <macvr> yeah i know that the grey was wrong too...
[15:19] <macvr> its just that sometimes when i change the icon themes , my firefox crashes!
[15:19] <SiDi> huh :P
[15:20] <macvr> so i try to use test it less. :(
[15:20] <SiDi> Thats a bad bug :o
[15:20] <SiDi> Do you use a custom firefox theme or something particular ? :/
[15:20] <macvr> no...
[15:21] <macvr> but i usually have a flash running , so that probably is the problem
[15:23] <macvr> SiDi: i know that the colors are a huge problem, but since Cory has been quite resistent to new nm icons i havent paid much attention to the colors , so was basically trying to get the design approved before i get to making them better looking
[15:23] <SiDi> dashua, Hanso still breaks my panel hard :D
[15:24] <SiDi> macvr, imo colours are part of the design :) the curved shape is really great, but i now want to see it with well tested colours, and rendered in little size
[15:24] <SiDi> Dont forget to render in little sizes when you add a submission btw
[15:24] <SiDi> it helps seeing the final result
[15:26] <macvr> SiDi: i'm just not sure how to get that template to work? how does the breathe template work? does it render all the sizes on my desktop or only on bazar?
[15:26] <SiDi> Oh, i don't know either :D
[15:26] <SiDi> I didnt make any breathe icon ;)
[15:27] <SiDi> I think they export PNGs in different sizes manually, doing tweaks if they think its needed
[15:27] <SiDi> and then they make the PNG preview icon they put in submissions
[15:27] <SiDi> (or... they use a secret script :p)
[15:28] <macvr> there was some mention about the script , ....  but i get ur point of the colors being part of the design... will try to get the colors right, only recently i'v figured out shadows,lighting in inkscape
[15:29] <SiDi> Oh, there are still many things i didnt figure at all :D
[15:29] <SiDi> Fortunately i only need it for some quick diagrams for presentations, i dont actually do artwork ^^
[15:29] <macvr> SiDi: actually on testing the orange doesnt look that bad , i thought i could add more brightness!
[15:30] <macvr> SiDi: i too do this mainly as a hobby...
[15:30] <SiDi> dashua, feedback on Hanso : looks coffee-ish :) I like it but i also regret the tabs are now smoother, cause i liked the look of the old ones. I suppose the color changes of the toolbar are done for better integration with metacity, and my xfwm is abit late on this
[15:31] <SiDi> dashua, so i think i'll have to change the xfwm ? :D Also, i really dont like the grey-brown color when you hover a scrollbar, it doesnt fit the theme. I'd use a creamy brown instead.
[15:33] <SiDi> dashua, also, i dont think using a pixmap engine for panels is a good approach. I think its better to provide a panel image for those who have "default size" 24px panels, but with any other size, and with vertical panels, Hanso is broken
[15:33] <SiDi> macvr, i dont have anything about the use of orange itself, i just think 50% should be green/yellow more than orange/red as its actually a "working but a bit slow" wifi ;)
[15:34] <SiDi> macvr, and not a "careful, almost broken" wifi (thatd be 35-40%
[15:34] <SiDi> :D
[15:36] <macvr> SiDi: ok... i guess i have to think broader... i get ur point, i'll test it with yellow , and update the icons.... is anything wrong with the  ubuntu server? i get some mails late
[15:43] <SiDi> hm, dont know
[15:43] <SiDi> it has a lot of mails to send, sometimes routing an email takes time when your own mail provider is busy
[15:44] <SiDi> sometimes you're greylisted by a provider and mails come one day late, too
[15:44] <SiDi> check https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-art/ if you wanna see if theres a new email
[15:46] <macvr> SiDi: i just got a reply wher someon asked for the orange to look like the go-home icon orange! similar to the one i had chosen!
[15:47] <SiDi> macvr, i'll have to post on the ML to disagree then XD
[15:47] <SiDi> I really dont think an half signal should have such a strong colour ;)
[15:47] <macvr> SiDi: he he
[15:47] <SiDi> for instance, human uses only blue, even for ~25% signal
[15:48] <macvr> SiDi: i do get ur point... maybe as u said i'll try yellowish
[15:49] <macvr> SiDi: but human is probably older by 5 yrs or so... the icons are hi-color set , so probably the restrictions
[15:49] <SiDi> thats true :p
[15:49] <SiDi> what icon will you use for a broken connection ?
[15:49] <SiDi> you'll keep the big '!' ?
[15:50] <macvr> SiDi: for no signal?
[15:50] <SiDi> yes
[15:50] <macvr> yeah i will keep the "!"
[15:51] <SiDi> because i thought about that : if an user shuts the connection down manually (i mean, uncheck "Enable wireless network") because he doesnt want his pc to auto connect, for instance
[15:51] <SiDi> then an exclamation mark might not be appropriated, as it is used for drawing the attention, while the user would only want to shutdown wifi and doesnt want to be told he did shut it down
[15:51] <macvr> SiDi: that instance the wired connection disconnect kicks in
[15:53] <SiDi> But i fear its the same icon for a broken connection and a disabled wifi
[15:54] <macvr> no signal, because once the wireless doesnt connect , the system checks for the wired connection and if that is not connected, the , wired-disconnected is displayed... no signal rarely kicks in,
[15:55] <macvr> no-signal icon never used!
[15:55] <SiDi> ah
[15:55] <SiDi> thats actually true :p
[15:56] <macvr> i just liked the "!" , thats y i added it :P
[15:56] <macvr> but i use that icon with notify-osd... ,
[15:56] <macvr> for connection lost
[15:57] <SiDi> hm, it could be great if you can get a list of the icon names, make a quick (even not finished at all, like : big fuschia circle, big green triangle, etc :p) icon for all the names, and use it to see when icons are used
[15:58] <macvr> ^? i didnt understand
[15:59] <SiDi> Make a theme with an icon for all the currently existing names, with "fake" icons, and use it to see when icons kick in
[16:00] <SiDi> That'll help you to know when an icon is used in the good context, when you put your own Breathe icons in this "testing" theme
[16:22] <macvr> sorry, was away... i did something like that initially...but when the no signal icon is never used  , it still needs to be created,right? to make the icon set complete!
[16:27] <macvr> SiDi: is James Schriver > dashua? because i think he suggested the orange from go-home... would the yellow from the first nm-signal-50 be a better choice?
[16:28] <SiDi> macvr, actually maybe you shall make several icons with colours :)
[16:28] <SiDi> maybe i'll myself pick your icons and try colours on my side too
[16:29] <macvr> SiDi: did u try the reconnection animation?
[16:44]  * _MMA_ waves
[16:50] <SiDi> hi _MMA_
[16:51] <SiDi> macvr, no, i only saw the stuff in animations
[16:51] <SiDi> macvr, i usually dont touch Breathe till someone sends me a .deb with the icons <- incarnal of laziness
[16:55] <SiDi> macvr, where can i get the animation ones ?
[16:55] <richwjones> Breathe is looking good.. will that be default in karmic?
[16:56] <macvr> SiDi: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-art/2009-May/010477.html i'v attached to this mail... its my set of png...
[17:01] <SiDi> They're sexy, but they dont fit with the signal icons :P
[17:06] <_MMA_> macvr: That would be my only criticism as well. They just don't have the same feel as the current icons.
[17:08] <macvr> SiDi: u mean fit as in >that the png look different from the svg? or ?
[17:08] <_MMA_> Stylistically
[17:10] <macvr> _MMA_: oh... they dont fit with the breathe icon set? ok...
[17:11] <_MMA_> macvr: That said, we might be able to get one of the other guys to bring it around for you to use as a base. That might help.
[17:12] <macvr> _MMA_: that would be nice...
[17:12] <_MMA_> macvr: I'll see what I can do.
[17:14] <macvr> _MMA_: if it is made to fit , i could complete the set , its just that the reconnect needs a new look :)
[17:14] <_MMA_> k
[17:17]  * _MMA_ does *not* wanna deal with DevianArt. (only wants to put it there for advertising)
[17:18] <_MMA_> "it" = Breathe
[17:18] <macvr> _MMA_: the other day u were asking for portfolio... i didnt understand , thought u were asking about any previous iconset i had created! > http://drvi.deviantart.com/ < this is my actual "published" work :P
[17:20] <_MMA_> macvr: No. *Any* art you've done. ;)
[17:21] <macvr> _MMA_: i got confused!  only after receiving the mailing list "joining" i realized what u meant...
[17:21] <_MMA_> ;)
[17:22] <SiDi> macvr, that the icons of the animation represent an antenna, but different from the signal one
[17:23] <SiDi> (The "art" i've done myself is censored, for the sake of my reputation :p)
[17:23] <_MMA_> Really? :)
[17:23]  * _MMA_ is curious now.
[17:28] <_MMA_> Hi Rico
[17:28] <rsc___> hey mma.
[17:28] <rsc___> what's up?
[17:28] <_MMA_> Not much. Doing some Breathe stuff and unwinding from work.
[17:29] <rsc___> how's breathe coming along?
[17:29] <_MMA_> rsc: You not been watchin' the list?
[17:31] <_MMA_> rsc: Alot of info there but a direct answer would be "Very well."
[17:31] <_MMA_> We just had our 1st official release.
[17:32] <_MMA_> http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Breathe+Icon+Theme?content=105873
[17:33]  * _MMA_ -> Shower
[17:37] <SiDi> _MMA_, i wait for the bigger comment for the notification-battery icons ^_^
[17:38] <rsc___> _MMA_: been taking quite a break, sorry i havent been in the loop :)
[17:38] <rsc___> looking nice
[17:38] <rsc___> i see the folder hasn't changed since
[17:52] <_MMA_> rsc: Nope. Minor revisions but nothing compelling has come along to replace it.. The discussion on a change is ongoing.
[17:56] <SiDi> What do you have against this poor folder ?
[17:57] <macvr> SiDi: the straight on look ! ...
[17:58] <_MMA_> Everyone has to realize this thing *has* to look like a mashup between the Human and Oxygen ones. Little details make all the difference.
[17:59] <_MMA_> And of the ones (submissions) where the perspective has changed, they just haven't hit that "Feels like a mashup" mark for me.
[17:59] <_MMA_> Or "Like an evolution".
[18:01] <macvr> _MMA_: just changing the perspective of the present folder to the angle of the sebastian's folder... ? how would that be? just a thought... :)
[18:01]  * _MMA_ looks for Sebastien's folder.
[18:01] <macvr> its in the discussions
[18:03] <_MMA_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/BreatheIconSet/Discussion
[18:04] <_MMA_> macvr: It's generally fine, but I'm really hoping someone comes along with something a bit different.
[18:04] <_MMA_> Hits little details (the dots and glow) but has a different spin WRT the perspective.
[18:05] <macvr> _MMA_: yeah... different would be nice, but until that comes along...the folder of sebastien's angle would make it look sexier now! :)
[18:07] <_MMA_> macvr: Please see: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-art/2009-May/010506.html
[18:07] <macvr> _MMA_: i think u got me wrong... the present folder looks great , but adding perspective would be better IMAO
[18:10] <macvr> _MMA_: actually i didnt like the lesser red idea... but didnt wanna comment and be the black sheep :)
[18:11] <_MMA_> Sure sure. But that post sums up my general feelings re: Folder change.
[18:11] <macvr> _MMA_: since i think the folder would "glow" in dark nautilus backgrounds!
[18:11] <macvr> _MMA_: i understand , u are trying to replace human...
[18:12] <_MMA_> macvr: Since that's an uncommon occurrence, I'm not designing for that. ;)
[18:12] <macvr> _MMA_: i meant with the modification[lesser red], the folder is more bright!
[18:16] <macvr> _MMA_: replacing is fine but human icon set is old! more and more "new" icon sets seem to be adding the perspective! i think its more the "iron man" effect! so thought that just adding the perspective would spice up the folders! just my 2cents! but since u know more about the dev, u must be a better judge of their mindset...
[18:59] <macvr> _MMA_: have u had the time to look at the second set i'v uploaded earlier or did u comment only after having a look?
[19:00] <macvr> _MMA_: ping
[19:01] <_MMA_> macvr: The very act of using "_MMA_" in your 1st post is a ping. No need to actually say it. :P
[19:02] <macvr> _MMA_: i thought u dosed off! :P
[19:02] <_MMA_> macvr: No. Just other things to do. ;) And I looked before I commented.
[19:03] <macvr> _MMA_: ok... thanx ... any help to improve would be nice ...
[19:04] <SiDi> Am i allowed to troll more about the ms-dos mimetype icon ?
[19:04] <macvr> SiDi: i love it!
[19:04] <SiDi> I'm deadly serious when i say i'd never accept a windows logo on my desktop :] (not only for patent reason)
[19:05] <_MMA_> Sure. If you're looking for help now, I can't help ya. Trying to take care of some things and relax on my weekend.
[19:05] <SiDi> Yeh, it can be as sexy as it wants to. First, the app that manages ms-dos is wine, not windows, Second, this is likely a patent violation, and also a recognition that we can't live without having windows beside us.
[19:05] <macvr> SiDi: actually i feel like i'm using the M$ as a small piece, just minisculling it !!!
[19:05] <SiDi> I dont think Microsoft has an Ubuntu logo for our binaries :]
[19:05] <_MMA_> SiDi: My comments on the list are how I feel.
[19:06] <macvr> _MMA_: no not right now!
[19:06] <_MMA_> np
[19:06] <SiDi> I see what you mean _MMA_ :)
[19:07] <SiDi> that could be a solution, but a non-windows and non-wine logo would drive the users in confusion : what is this icon, what is this program ?
[19:07]  * _MMA_ notes latest (just a min ago) post.
[19:07] <macvr> _MMA_: i was saying that i would appreciate , the help to come :)
[19:07] <SiDi> And i do prefer associationg windows binaries to wine, even if i'm said to prefer so for political reasons :d
[19:08] <_MMA_> ;)
[19:08] <macvr> _MMA_: anyway see you later, and if u could get some one to breathe the icons... just ping me :P ... i meant mail...
[19:08] <_MMA_> sure
[19:09] <macvr> bye
[19:26] <macvr> _MMA_: hi... <in general do not use "sebastian" on screens> what does this "sebastian" mean?
[19:27] <macvr> i'v seen Daniel use it a lot in his mails... just didnt understand what he means by that??
[19:28] <_MMA_> His native language in not English.
[19:28] <_MMA_> He's just saying Sebastien (our lead artist) doesn't use gloss on screens.
[19:28] <_MMA_> (generally)
[19:29] <macvr> oh... ok
[19:29] <macvr>  thanx...
[19:29] <_MMA_> np
[19:30] <macvr> may a great weekend... bye
[19:30] <macvr> have
[19:30] <_MMA_> same
[19:39] <SiDi> updated submissions with a wine ms-dos logo \o/
[19:41] <_MMA_> SiDi: Only thing I have against that (and has been argued on other lists) is that WINE is for Windows folks. Plain and simple. So the mimi should be recognizable to them. The WINE glass is not.
[19:41] <_MMA_> *mine
[19:41] <_MMA_> dammit
[19:41] <_MMA_> *mime
[19:41] <SiDi> Well, if we want to associate the mime with the icon of the handler
[19:41] <SiDi> then wine should be used
[19:41] <SiDi> and wine is also used by companies like google for stable windows versions of their apps
[19:42] <SiDi> it has official support by Spotify too, for instance, till someone codes them a linux client
[19:42] <SiDi> but if we associate wine apps with a windows logo, we say "the app that handles that and that we think you should use  is : windows"
[19:42] <_MMA_> SiDi: Also, that was damn lazy. You just grabbed the Tangoish icon and stuck it on the blank file to prove your point. You know that wouldn't be used. ;)
[19:42] <dashua> SiDi: Alright mate. that panel issue is an easy fix and already committed justs needs uncommenting
[19:42] <SiDi> I took the official icon :D but its lazy indeed
[19:43] <dashua> The prelight on the scrollbat does look a bit green.  I will fix that.  Notebook tab you think the original are better?
[19:43] <SiDi> dashua, yeh i know, but you should better put the pixmap code in comment and add a line about it in release note instead of risking breakage while releasing Hanso ;)
[19:43] <dashua> I'll change
[19:43] <SiDi> dashua, theyre not "better"
[19:43] <SiDi> the new ones fit better with Hanso
[19:44] <SiDi> i just have a preference for the style of the old ones, but with your changes the current tabs are very consistent
[19:44] <dashua> Ok, I was kind of torn on that, but I felt they integrated better
[19:44] <SiDi> actually it looks like (i know the word isnt adapted) more creamy than before
[19:44] <SiDi> like coffee, indeed :D
[19:44] <dashua> Ok, thanks for the feedback
[19:44] <dashua> Yeah, that's what I was going for
[19:45] <dashua> Cream and contrast :P
[19:45] <_MMA_> SiDi: And just because you can point to a few small examples doesn't mean it oughtweighs the overwhelming fact that WINE if few people coming from Windows and My view is that a similar "Windows logo would help them.
[19:45] <SiDi> :p
[19:45] <_MMA_> ;)
[19:45] <SiDi> _MMA_, i'm coming from windows indeed, even if i dont use it and make people pass onto linux when i can :D But, i use wine for apps that i never used on windows ;)
[19:45] <_MMA_> Damn. *is for people...
[19:45] <dashua> _MMA_: Please don't let the folder be changed.  I am the only one -1 for the new revisions.
[19:46] <_MMA_> SiDi: Again, in the minority.
[19:46] <SiDi> _MMA_, should we still consider it such a failure that we prefer to associate msdos files with windows instead of linux's own msdos file handler ?
[19:46] <SiDi> Also, it answers another preoccupation of ex-windows users : how do i run windows apps ?
[19:46] <SiDi> if we say run it with wine, it helps them to understand
[19:47] <SiDi> when they dont have wine installed and have a wine glass icon for their exe, at least they have an hint
[19:47] <SiDi> _MMA_, did you follow Scott Ritchie's work about icons for exe files during UDS btw ?
[19:47] <_MMA_> No
[19:47] <_MMA_> 1 sec
[19:47] <_MMA_> dashua: Trust me, it will be a hard fight. Especially as time goes on.
[19:47] <dashua> ;)
[19:48] <dashua> Focal point of the set IMO
[19:48] <_MMA_> SiDi: Also note that the "official" WINE icons were take from my Studio set. ;)
[19:48] <SiDi> _MMA_, you should be proud of that, shouldnt you ? :D
[19:48] <_MMA_> SiDi: Not really. :P They were given to me.
[19:49] <SiDi> So, Scott Ritchie wanted to patch nautilus to directly show the original icon of the exe file, *alongside a wine mini icon in a corner*
[19:49] <_MMA_> I credit them somewhere. Forgot the name.
[19:49] <SiDi> you should point that to wine devs to make sure they credit the good people :D
[19:49] <_MMA_> SiDi: Showing the original icon would be great.
[19:59] <SiDi> i have the feeling i wont code tonight
[20:10] <dashua> SiDi: http://www.ubuntu-pics.de/bild/15349/screenshot_CR21Dy.png
[20:10] <dashua> Changes committed.  I'm starting to love notify-osd
[20:10] <SiDi> Yar :D
[20:11] <SiDi> what is that thing letting you watch bzr revisions ? Oo
[20:11] <dashua> It's in synaptic
[20:11] <dashua> bzr-notify
[20:12] <dashua> Bazaar Notification
[20:14] <SiDi> aptitude search bzr
[20:14] <SiDi> which do you have please ?
[20:14] <SiDi> i dont have bzr-notify
[20:14] <dashua> bzr-gtk maybe
[20:14] <dashua> I can't remember =/
[20:14] <SiDi> yeh apparently
[20:14] <SiDi> that thing depends on nautilus x_x
[20:14] <_MMA_> odd
[20:15] <_MMA_> See what it needs it for. I've filed so many bugs aginst faulse depends.
[20:15] <_MMA_> *false
[20:17] <SiDi> theres a bzr-nautilus.py in source
[20:17] <SiDi> wondering why, but i dont really wanna read their code :P
[20:17] <SiDi> anyways looks like the package wont work in Xubuntu
[20:18] <SiDi> dashua, are you sure you updated the pics in your push ?
[20:18] <_MMA_> SiDi: Well if Xubuntu is using OSD-Notify I think it would be great to help remedy the situation.
[20:18] <SiDi> They seem to be the same
[20:18] <SiDi> _MMA_, i use notify-osd :D
[20:19] <SiDi> and im the guy whos trying to get it integrated perfectly in xubuntu :)
[20:19] <_MMA_> Well *you* might. Does Xubuntu by default?
[20:19] <dashua> SiDi: The scrollbar_prelight?
[20:19] <SiDi> dashua, yeh
[20:19] <dashua> I think.  Let me check
[20:19] <SiDi> _MMA_, normally yes, see
[20:19] <SiDi> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Specifications/Karmic/NotifyOsd
[20:20] <_MMA_> SiDi: Gotcha.
[20:24] <dashua> SiDi: Try again?
[20:26] <dashua> Maybe not.  Gimme a sec =/
[20:27] <SiDi> dashua, md5sum is different but the pic is the same ^^
[20:30] <dashua> Try one more time
[20:31] <dashua> More grey now, see if that'll work
[20:31] <SiDi> completely grey, even :D
[20:32] <dashua> Better than greenish-brown?
[20:32] <SiDi> is there anything in the theme that is grey/green when hovered ?
[20:32] <dashua> No
[20:35] <dashua> I don't know what other colors will look good
[20:36] <dashua> Light brown maybe?
[20:38] <SiDi> light brown cream
[20:38] <SiDi> uploading one
[20:38] <SiDi> but as im a gimp noob the hue is still too brown
[20:39] <SiDi> http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/8643/screenshotouy.png
[20:40] <dashua> Kk
[20:40] <dashua> I like :)
[20:40] <_MMA_> I gotta say, Breathe looks *way* nice in Thunar. Especially the sidebar.
[20:41] <dashua> _MMA_: It's the the theme mate ;0
[20:41] <dashua> ;)
[20:41] <_MMA_> :P
[20:43] <SiDi> http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/1023/thunar.png !
[20:44] <knome> SiDi, unfortunately can't agree :P
[20:44] <SiDi> knome, agee on what ? :P
[20:44] <SiDi> +r
[20:44] <knome> that breathe looks nnice on thunar ;P
[20:45] <knome> ehm
[20:45] <_MMA_> bah. Who asked you. :P
[20:45] <knome> that wasn't you saying that, lol
[20:45] <knome> _MMA_, nobody, i thought this was a free chat channel :P
[20:45] <_MMA_> Come on man. I said ":P"
[20:46] <knome> it looks nice but not nicer than gnome-brave
[20:46] <knome> c'mon man, i've drank too much rum :P
[20:46] <SiDi> _MMA_ didnt say it looked *nicer*
[20:46]  * knome tries to clear his head and thoughts
[20:46] <knome> SiDi, i know (now) :P
[20:46] <SiDi> :D
[20:46] <_MMA_> knome: I was gonna ask for some of what you're smokin'. :)
[20:46] <dashua> Blue is played out like suede on a hot summer's day.
[20:46] <knome> but it does not look *amazinh* :)
[20:46] <SiDi> he smokes mouse hair
[20:47] <_MMA_> hahahahhahahah
[20:47] <dashua> Brown is the new blue, you didn't hear ;)
[20:47] <knome> h=g
[20:47] <knome> dashua, might be
[20:47] <SiDi> dashua, didnt notice the sky was so polluted yet
[20:47] <SiDi> :D
[20:47] <dashua> Ha, it's getting there
[20:47] <knome> dashua, it would be interesting to see ubuntu moving to blue and xubuntu moving to brown
[20:48] <dashua> I will distro hop then.
[20:48] <knome> just for laughs... or sth.
[20:48]  * SiDi notices he still didnt have any feedback for the notification-battery icons :'(
[20:48] <knome> SiDi, the middle one looks good, the icons are *great*
[20:48] <knome> really.
[20:49] <SiDi> ty :p
[20:49] <_MMA_> SiDi: I said this morning I liked the design. I'm looking over your original email now.
[20:50] <SiDi> actually im more trying to know wether or not its acceptable to have new icons for that. And wether you guys find it better to have 6 icns instead of the 0-25 25-50 50-75 75-100 ones
[20:50] <SiDi> and also, is it reasonable to put so many colours in notification- icons
[20:51] <_MMA_> SiDi: "Reasonable" Opinion I guess. I'd talk to the Canonical guys actually.
[20:51] <_MMA_> I've been meaning to chat with then about issues like this.
[20:52] <SiDi> i already bugged Kenneth about this
[20:52] <SiDi> waiting to see what they think of the icons
[20:52] <SiDi> I think its a lack for the power-managers
[20:52] <_MMA_> SiDi: Yeah. We should file bugs.
[20:52] <SiDi> atm the gnome one uses the info icon, and the xfce one a blurry generic icon
[20:52] <SiDi> hm i'll wait for Kenneth's answer on the ML before filing another bug :P
[20:53] <SiDi> anyways i dont know if gnome-power-manager and xfce4-power-manager will survive karmic so..
[20:53] <_MMA_> Actually, andreasn should know a good bit about these. I think I got it twisted and thought you were talking ODS stuff. Aren't these GNOME specific?
[20:54] <SiDi> the notification- icons ?
[20:54] <SiDi> They're Human specific more or less
[20:54] <SiDi> even if the Human ones are meant to be shipped with notify-osd, as far as i know
[20:54] <_MMA_> SiDi: Well, the power ones anyway
[20:54] <SiDi> xfce4 uses some power icons too
[20:54] <SiDi> the same ones for the battery state tray icon
[20:55] <SiDi> and they use those for the notifications, which do look ugly ^^
[20:55] <_MMA_> I remember andreasn mentioning GNOME had a special SVG with all the states in it to render out the various icons.
[20:55] <_MMA_> Kinda like the Breathe ones but more complex.
[20:55] <SiDi> They use the generic "info" icon, at the moment
[20:55] <SiDi> Well, on my OS they do at least
[20:55] <_MMA_> Maybe in their "trunk" IDK.
[20:55] <SiDi> you're on Ubuntu Jaunty GNOME, right ?
[20:55] <_MMA_> yep
[20:56] <SiDi> Mind making a screenshot of the notification triggered by XF86Power pls ?
[20:56] <_MMA_> Only have Karmic in VM.
[20:56] <_MMA_> SiDi: Well I'm runnin' Studio and we didn't take on OSD for Jaunty.
[20:56] <SiDi> oh
[20:56] <_MMA_> Doesn't really fit our use-case.
[20:56] <SiDi> dashua, ? :D
[20:57] <knome> _MMA_, neither did xubuntu
[20:57] <knome> :]
[20:57] <SiDi> _MMA_, i personally think the design of notify-osd is much better than the notification-daemon one
[20:57] <SiDi> knome, thats cause noone bothered installing it Q_Q
[20:57]  * _MMA_ senses a Xubuntu thorn here. :P
[20:57] <knome> SiDi, nobody bothered as we didn't want it
[20:58] <SiDi> knome, when i asked cody the official reason he said "not enough time for testing"
[20:58] <SiDi> and there were *no objections* during the UDS "session" about it :p
[20:58] <_MMA_> Studio isn't really a desktop system and nothing by default really uses any notifications. So we skipped it.
[20:58] <SiDi> which was held in the coffee room :P
[20:58] <knome> SiDi, i would not liked to see them (yet) in jaunty anyway
[20:58] <SiDi> knome, why's that ?
[20:59] <knome> SiDi, still too untested for ubuntu also
[20:59] <dashua> SiDi: Wanna test a different color all together.  Gonna push it.
[20:59] <SiDi> well, missions of people use it, issues and knome and being worked on
[20:59] <SiDi> dashua, okeys
[20:59] <_MMA_> knome: Well... Sometimes you just gotta throw stuff in.
[20:59] <_MMA_> Otherwise, you'll never get testing.
[20:59] <SiDi> dashua, do you have a XF86Power key on your keyboard ? Mind giving me a screenshot please ? :D
[20:59] <knome> SiDi, sure.
[20:59] <SiDi> millions *
[20:59] <SiDi> not missions
[21:00]  * SiDi not drunk but tired
[21:00] <knome> _MMA_, i know. this just wasn't the time. we already did a completely new artwork set. :)
[21:00] <dashua> Might be too maroonish, let me know?
[21:00] <knome> me not tired but drunk
[21:00] <_MMA_> :P
[21:00] <knome> really the wrong time to irc
[21:00] <SiDi> dashua, wont let me pull. Sec
[21:01] <SiDi> dashua, did you do push or is the server being slow ? :D
[21:01] <dashua> Try now
[21:01] <dashua> Just pushed
[21:01] <dashua> Rev. 35
[21:02] <dashua> I have a really dark glossy monitor
[21:02] <dashua> So, it may look different to you.
[21:03] <dashua> Blends with bg_selected a bit better
[21:03] <dashua> http://www.ubuntu-pics.de/bild/15354/screenshot_004_1R9w7q.png
[21:04] <knome> dashua, looks quite nice
[21:04] <knome> what is the scrollbar style?
[21:04] <dashua> Thx :)
[21:04] <dashua> Pixmap
[21:05] <knome> right
[21:05] <dashua> One thing I don't think any of the engine do perfect
[21:05] <dashua> engines*
[21:05] <knome> okay..
[21:06] <dashua> Pixmap scrolls faster too for some reason
[21:06] <dashua> I don't know why
[21:06] <knome> hmm
[21:06] <knome> doesn't sound logical, but sounds kinda good
[21:06] <dashua> Much smoother especially on a web browser
[21:07] <knome> good to know
[21:07] <SiDi> It looks red now
[21:07] <SiDi> a bit bordeaux
[21:07] <dashua> It's almost negligible
[21:07] <_MMA_> :D
[21:07] <dashua> Too red
[21:07] <SiDi> its not negligible on bright screens :P
[21:07] <SiDi> I personally love the color :p
[21:08] <dashua> Oh, I'm talking about the scrolling
[21:08] <knome> red?
[21:08] <SiDi> but i suppose the goal is to have it the same color than the rest of the theme, isnt it ? /D
[21:08] <SiDi> oh
[21:08] <SiDi> _MMA_, stop :Ding :P
[21:08] <dashua> SiDi: Yeah, that's the idea
[21:09] <dashua> Prelight looks much better going here though
[21:09] <_MMA_> SiDi: I'm a happy guy. :)
[21:10] <_MMA_> (kinda)
[21:10] <SiDi> _MMA_, better than the contrary, isnt it ? :]
[21:10] <_MMA_> Sure. I could drop a couple of "F-Bombs" if it would make ya feel better.
[21:11] <knome> jaegerbombs!
[21:11] <_MMA_> hehe
[21:12]  * _MMA_ goes to get food. (tries to remember to hit up Cody about Xubuntu and ODS)
[21:12] <SiDi> Cody disappeared :P
[21:12] <knome> bon appetit _MMA_
[21:12] <knome> always
[21:12] <SiDi> Bon appétit xD
[21:12]  * SiDi hides.
[21:12] <knome> ehm
[21:13] <SiDi> do you even have an 'é' key on your keyboard ? :P
[21:14] <knome> if i combine two keys, yes
[21:15] <SiDi> that solaris manzur guy makes very interesting contributions to the mailing list
[21:15] <knome> solaris manzur?
[21:16] <SiDi> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-art/2009-May/author.html#10477
[21:16] <dashua> SiDi, knome:Better worse ?  http://www.ubuntu-pics.de/bild/15355/screenshot_005_7Ok5ox.png
[21:17] <SiDi> worse :p
[21:17] <SiDi> not a fan of pink :x
[21:17] <SiDi> not with brown, at least :p
[21:17] <dashua> Ok
[21:17] <knome> lol
[21:20] <SiDi> hey, knome got voice in #xfce-dev :O
[21:20] <knome> sure
[21:20] <knome> :P
[21:21] <knome> i bugged ofourdan :PP
[21:21] <SiDi> im the only people in both #xubuntu-devel and #xfce-dev who's unvoiced XD
[21:31] <_MMA_> bah. That crap doesn't matter.
[21:32] <knome> yeah, not really
[21:32] <SiDi> _MMA_, which ? :P
[21:32] <_MMA_> Being "voiced"
[21:32] <knome> except in #xfce-dev, which is +m
[21:33] <_MMA_>  /Most/ of the time it'd dumb e-status crap.
[21:33] <knome> yes.
[21:33] <knome> and something to extend your... thing.
[21:33] <SiDi> _MMA_, it doesnt rly matter indeed :P I cant speak but i have no reason to, so thats ok :D
[21:34] <knome> SiDi, well at least in #xubuntu-devel we sitll let you speak even with no voices
[21:34] <SiDi> yeh
[21:34] <SiDi> thats a bad idea, tho :D
[21:34] <knome> lol
[21:34] <knome> not really
[21:34] <knome> you have some insightgful thoughts
[21:35] <knome> and i almost treat you as part of the team already
[21:35] <knome> almost because you have no real position on the team :P
[21:36] <knome> you've been a real help in the last weeks.
[21:36] <_MMA_> knome: And unless the channel is +m, the voice thing is unnecessary. Just a "I'm cool" thing.
[21:37] <SiDi> knome, thanks :]
[21:37] <_MMA_> In my experience it's a hindrance more than a plus.
[21:37] <knome> sure. even ops are unnecessary until there is somebody you have to kick/ban
[21:37] <_MMA_> exactly
[21:37] <SiDi> depends, for the ops thing :p people speak more freely when they dont _know_ there's an op
[21:38] <_MMA_> But I suspect #xfce-dev had some issues to +m the channel. I've been there before and it wasn't always like that.
[21:38] <knome> in freenode you usually don't know, as you can op yourself with chanserv only when needed once you have the op status