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BUGabundochrisccoulson: ping01:12
BUGabundohey cwillu01:12
chrisccoulsonhi BUGabundo01:13
BUGabundochrisccoulson: about the syslinux merge01:13
chrisccoulsoni don't mind taking a look at that, but i've got some other stuff i need to do first01:14
BUGabundosure01:14
BUGabundoI'm just curious why a package that is used so much01:15
BUGabundodoesn't get the attention it deservs01:15
BUGabundonixternal: ping01:15
chrisccoulsonnot sure really. perhaps if it doesn't get that much attention, it should be in universe01:15
chrisccoulson(it might be already - I havent checked)01:15
BUGabundo        500 http://darkstar.ist.utl.pt karmic/main Packages01:17
BUGabundoits in MAIN01:17
BUGabundo  Candidate: 2:3.63+dfsg-2ubuntu301:17
BUGabundowith version 3.80 on debian and 3.81 upstream01:17
chrisccoulsoni noticed it get some patches backported to hardy from intrepid this year, but other than that, there's been no other uploads since 15/7/200801:18
chrisccoulsonah, ok, it's used for the installer01:19
BUGabundoand wubi and usbcreator etc01:20
Pfifferhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tsclient/+bug/381795 Somebody muight want to look over this bug02:56
ubot4Launchpad bug 381795 in tsclient "tsclient should be upgraded to 2.0.1" [Undecided,New]02:56
PfifferMaybe mark it as wishlist02:56
BUGabundokklimonda: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdepim/+bug/38180303:09
ubot4Launchpad bug 381803 in kdepim "deleting thread takes you to next mail by date, not unread" [Undecided,New]03:09
BUGabundoand upstream at http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19461203:09
ubot4KDE bug 194612 in general "deleting thread takes you to next mail by date, not unread" [Normal,Unconfirmed]03:09
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askandSince installing Jaunty the applications is segfaulting like never before, I have >10 different apps segfaulting for me every hour. I was thinking it was a fauly memorymodule and ran the memorytest for 24 hours without errors.10:34
askandWhat could possibly have happened to cause this, I find it hard to believe that all these apps suddenly have become extremly crashy since Intrepid.10:34
bencrisfordaskand: Did you install or upgrade?10:35
askandbencrisford: It was a clean install10:35
bencrisfordHmm10:35
askandIm thinking it may perhaps be the new version of the compiler that compiles the packages has changed in a way that does not play nice with my hardware10:36
askandMight that be possible?10:36
bencrisfordI guess it is10:37
bencrisfordhave you reported this yet?10:37
askandI have reported every segfault (not firefox due to bug  314212 ) but I have not reported it as "I have lots of segfaulting"10:38
ubot4Launchpad bug 314212 in python-apt "Apport unable to report crash -  urlopen error timed out" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/31421210:38
askandis this trace good for anything http://pastebin.com/m57723c9b ?11:45
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smeg0lhi12:19
bencrisford1hi12:19
smeg0li'm running karmic koala 9.10 alpha 1 and have subscriep to bugs squad but am very confused don't know where to start ?12:21
xteejxGood afternoon guys12:23
smeg0lany help would be much apriciated12:24
xteejxWhat's the problem smeg0l?12:24
smeg0li'm running karmic koala 9.10 alpha 1 and have subscriep to bugs squad but am very confused don't know where to start ?12:25
smeg0lxteejx, pm ?12:25
xteejxsmeg0l: I would suggest starting here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToTriage and taking notes, also https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProcedures will give details of how to triage and debug the most common problems.12:26
smeg0lthx xteejx have bookmarked them12:28
xteejxNo problem. If you ever need a push in the right direction there are usually people on here that will help guide you on what to to next :)12:28
smeg0lgood12:29
bencrisford1afternoon xteejx12:31
xteejxhey hey, ben :)12:31
xteejxQuestion, IS anyone allowed to go to the UDS?12:34
bencrisford1xteejx: Yeah I think so12:36
bencrisford1you have to say you're going beforehand12:36
bencrisford1and you can apply for sponsorship12:36
xteejxof course12:36
bencrisford1and if you get it then canonical pay for plane and accomidation12:36
xteejxbencrisford1, Just wondered, if they're doing one in the UK I might go12:37
bencrisford1yeah me too12:37
bencrisford1well12:37
bencrisford1maybe in a few years :P12:37
bencrisford1but its not likely unless we really push for it12:37
bencrisford1because canonical is uk based and they like to travel12:37
bencrisford1so i hear12:38
xteejxyeah i suppose so, doubt i'd get to go though, no way in hell they' pay for little old me lol12:38
bencrisford1lol, but if it was uk it would be affordable12:38
xteejxvery true12:38
bencrisford1just dont stay in the hotel, stay in some crapy b+b12:38
bencrisford1::P12:39
xteejxi would be, £20 a night lol12:39
bencrisford1yeah lol12:39
bencrisford1if it was london i could stay with family in the suburbs, take the tube in each morning12:39
xteejxDoing it at the o2 arena would be quite good if they could...12:39
bencrisford1i doubt it :P12:39
bencrisford1its in conference centers12:40
bencrisford1i think linuxworld london is in the excel center12:40
dupondjebuilding audacious :D:D12:40
xteejxisle of dogs? that would be easy to get to even from kent12:40
Hobbseexteejx: sure.  You can register yourself on launchpad for it, and htey'll print you a name badge.12:40
xteejxHobbsee, even if I don't turn up?12:41
Hobbseexteejx: well, it's advised that you turn up if you say you're going to ;)12:41
xteejxlol :)12:41
bencrisford1or face the wrath of sabdfl!12:41
xteejxheh12:41
xteejxcan't believe i'm watching britain's got no talent.... brb12:42
Hobbseemore like claire, but yes12:42
bencrisford1Hobbsee: Yeah :P12:42
xteejxbencrisford1, Do you know if they've put videos of UDS yet?12:51
bencrisford1errrr *scratches butt* ill see if i can find out12:51
bencrisford1xteejx: I cant find them12:52
bencrisford1they need to be edited i guess12:52
xteejxme neither :(12:52
xteejxdont the live streams get recorded then?12:53
bencrisford1dont think so12:53
bencrisford1not sure12:53
xteejxbit of a shame, would be good to feel like we're actually there, I know its too late to propose anything now, but it'd still be good to see how it all went....12:55
bencrisford1yeah12:58
bencrisford1next year itll be US12:59
bencrisford1november*12:59
Hobbseexteejx: they had icecasts for everything but the plenaries, you know12:59
Hobbseeso you could listen in12:59
bencrisford1then next may it'll be somewhere europe12:59
bencrisford1Hobbsee: I know, I did :)12:59
Hobbseebencrisford1: :)12:59
xteejxHobbsee, I did for a bit12:59
bencrisford1Hobbsee: Can you help me with a bit of packaging please?13:00
mib_gvdksqjwi have a question.how can i have root access in ubuntu?13:00
Hobbseebencrisford1: maybe, what are you after?13:00
mib_gvdksqjwplease help me13:00
* Hobbsee is doing an assignment here in the background13:00
mib_gvdksqjwplease13:00
Hobbsee!root13:00
ubot4Do not try to guess the root password, that is impossible. Instead, realise the truth... there is no root password. Then you will see that it is 'sudo' that grants you access and not the root password. Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo13:00
bencrisford1in terminal mib_gvdksqjw type "sudo <command>"13:00
bencrisford1or "sudo su"13:01
bencrisford1to get root access13:01
bencrisford1(sans quotes)13:01
bencrisford1Hobbsee: Its just the people on #ubuntu-motu are getting a bit fed up with my repetitive questions :P13:01
bencrisford1I have fixed a bug in documentation, they are saying to upload it to my PPA and make a merge proposal13:01
bencrisford1But I don't know what to upload13:02
mib_gvdksqjwthanks alot from all13:02
Hobbseethen pass.  I've not done that stuff.13:02
Hobbseeupload the source.changes file13:02
* Hobbsee *can* help with that bit13:02
bencrisford1well i want to just upload the .diff as a patch13:02
Hobbseeand then get it to build in a ppa?13:02
Hobbseeyou can attach the patch to the bug, if you prefer13:02
bencrisford1i do prefer13:02
bencrisford1but they say itll be better in my ppa13:02
bencrisford1:(13:02
* Hobbsee isn't sure what the latest sponsoring wishes are13:03
Hobbseewhat package is it for?13:03
bencrisford1edubuntu-docs13:03
bencrisford1so if i uploaded it id have to subscribe ubuntu-main-sponsors13:03
bencrisford1i know that much :)13:03
Hobbseeedubuntu-docs...i'd guess that's maintained in bzr...13:03
bencrisford1it is13:03
bencrisford1i done a bzr diff13:04
bencrisford1the diff should be right13:04
bencrisford1but the rest is wrongs13:04
Hobbseei'm not overly familiar with bzr, but if you've pushed your branch, can't you just request the merge proposal, without the ppa route?13:04
bencrisford1dunno13:07
Hobbseethat's the way I understand bzr to work13:07
Hobbseebut, again, I don't use bzr much at all, and don't do merge proposals and all that fancy stuff with it13:07
bencrisford1i dont have commit access13:08
bencrisford1so i cant push13:08
Hobbseeyou can push to your own branch.13:09
bencrisford1i dont have a branch13:09
Hobbseemake one13:10
bencrisford1:/  but isnt a ppa effectively a branch anyway?13:11
Hobbseeno13:11
Hobbsee!bzr13:11
ubot4bzr is Bazaar-NG, a decentralized revision control system designed to be easy for developers and end users alike. Decentralized revision control systems give people the ability to work over the internet using the bazaar development model.  See http://bazaar-vcs.org/QuickHackingWithBzr for a quickstart guide.13:12
Hobbseeer, not thatlink.  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bzr is very helpful on undersatnding bzr13:12
bencrisford1i understand it i have the playbook13:12
bencrisford1but effectively a ppa is very similar13:12
bencrisford1not in the way it works13:12
bencrisford1but what it does :/13:12
bencrisford1so am i allowed to just register a branch?13:13
* xteejx wonders if Ubuntu can integrate everyone on Facebook...13:13
bencrisford1ahh, facebook :)13:14
xteejxI did make a Ubuntu Bugs group lol13:14
Hobbseebencrisford1: afaik, yes.  You can make whatever branches you like under your own name, or projects that you have commit access to13:14
bencrisford1brb13:15
Hobbseebut, again, bzr is not my area of expertise, and i may be giving out out of date information13:17
bencrisford1http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=88568611005 -- anyone here with facebook -- JOIN THAT! :D13:39
xteejxhehe13:39
bencrisford1send a mail on the mailing list bout it xteejx ;)13:42
xteejxahh i'll leave that to you haha13:42
bencrisford1:P13:42
bencrisford1bug control should get officer rank on the group AND i should because im special13:42
bencrisford1bdmurray: ping13:43
xteejxpong13:44
xteejxbdmurray, Brian are you about?13:48
dupondjeis there a help channel for people that want to create packages ? ;)14:09
bencrisford1#ubuntu-motu14:10
xteejx#ubuntu-motu ??14:10
bencrisford1yup14:10
xteejxoi sod off you troublemaker i said it first :) hehe14:10
dupondjethey seem all asleep :P14:14
xteejxlike here then14:14
bencrisford1dupondje: Whats your problem?14:14
bencrisford1as in with packaging14:14
xteejxif its just a guide you need there are a few on the wiki14:15
bencrisford1dupondje: I might be able to help :)14:15
bencrisford1i doubt it, but i might14:15
dupondjei'm trying to make a package of audacious :)14:15
dupondjedpkg-shlibdeps: failure: couldn't find library libSAD.so.2 needed by debian/audacious/usr/bin/audacious2 (its RPATH is '/usr/lib').14:15
dupondjebut i get this on debuild14:15
bencrisford1hang on14:15
bencrisford1start from the beginning14:16
bencrisford1so you're practicing packaging14:16
bencrisford1with audacious?14:16
dupondjeyep :)14:16
bencrisford1ok14:16
bencrisford1so you do debuild -S?14:16
BUGabundoguud morning14:17
bencrisford1ullo14:17
dupondjebencrisford1:  no, just debuild ...14:17
bencrisford1try debuild -S14:18
bencrisford1i doubt itll make a difference14:18
bencrisford1but i normally use it14:18
bencrisford1it makes a signed package14:18
dupondjebut it doesn't make a .deb ?14:19
bencrisford1yes14:25
bencrisford1but your gpg key will sign it14:25
bencrisford1but im no expert at all14:25
bencrisford1you might even know more than me14:25
bencrisford1try asking on #ubuntu-motu again, or maybe even #ubuntu-devel14:26
bencrisford1although i dont THINK audacious is main, it might still be worth asking them14:26
dupondjehéhé thx anyway14:26
bencrisford1:)14:27
bencrisford1brb14:29
BUGabundobencrisford1:         500 http://darkstar.ist.utl.pt karmic/universe Packages14:31
BUGabundoits in Universe14:31
bencrisford1oh, i didnt think it was main (as i said) but still, if the motu channel is quiet, he might get an answer there BUGabundo14:31
BUGabundoI know bencrisford114:32
bencrisford1:)14:32
BUGabundothen again it's the weekend *after* UDS14:32
BUGabundoso don't expect much action14:32
bencrisford1nah i guess14:33
bencrisford1im off out for a while ;)14:35
xteejxhey guys14:37
xteejxhi BUGabundo14:37
BUGabundohye xteejx14:39
BUGabundoxteejx: I fixed your sig on your +1 for bencrisford1 wiki page14:39
xteejxBUGabundo, thanks :)14:39
BUGabundowhat do you do when someone closes the bug, without being the one in charge or the OP of a bug ? https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/32211514:55
ubot4Launchpad bug 322115 in pulseaudio "my HDA almost mutes if I set volume to 50%" [Undecided,Invalid]14:55
BUGabundooh never mind14:55
BUGabundohe is the OP?14:56
BUGabundos/?/!/14:56
xteejx!info ldap15:09
ubot4xteejx: Package ldap does not exist in jaunty15:10
xteejx!info libnss-ldap15:10
ubot4xteejx: libnss-ldap (source: libnss-ldap): NSS module for using LDAP as a naming service. In component main, is extra. Version 261-2.1ubuntu1 (jaunty), package size 71 kB, installed size 252 kB15:10
* bencrisford1 made his first patch :)15:25
bencrisford1http://launchpadlibrarian.net/27298353/edubuntu-docs_9.04.1ubuntu2.diff15:25
xteejxwoot woot15:25
bencrisford1:P :)15:26
xteejxCan someone have a look at bug 380643 please? Is this right, and also how can I do this on a production system??15:43
ubot4Launchpad bug 380643 in brasero "files with % in name within folder fail to burn" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/38064315:43
bencrisford1ill take a peep15:43
bencrisford1peek*15:43
xteejxcheers ben :)#15:43
bencrisford1hes using mint!15:44
xteejxI know, but its a problem in Jaunty as well, I reproduced it15:45
bencrisford1oh15:45
bencrisford1xteejx: I wouldnt mark as medium15:46
bencrisford1it can easily be worked around15:46
xteejxbut that guy has like 10 karma, and not a member of any group, is he talking rubbish or is that what to do?15:47
xteejxYeah, hence Low ;)15:47
xteejxWell it's Low-Medium15:47
xteejxmoderate severity on core application15:47
xteejxlol i had already set it as low and then set it to medium again what a div i am lol15:49
xteejxbencrisford1: Do you get what he means about genisoimage and mkiso?15:50
BUGabundomedium without any subs to it ??15:50
xteejxBUGabundo, it's Low, I forgot I already set it as Low lol15:50
xteejx1st acciedental mistake, it'll be the last15:51
bencrisford1xteejx: Dont judge him by karma15:51
bencrisford1the poor sod prolly registered just to report that bug15:51
bencrisford1i think he deserves credit for that IMO15:51
xteejxhmm15:51
bencrisford1you cant judge people cos they dont contribute to ubuntu15:51
bencrisford1most people dont even have time15:52
xteejxI meant Schily...he seems invloved with brasero, but I haven't a clue how to do what he's asking on a stable production system (i.e. mine)15:52
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BUGabundoand bencrisford1 don't ditch a user just because he uses mint15:53
bencrisford1BUGabundo: I wasnt ditching him :)15:53
bencrisford1i was just a little surprised15:53
xteejxmint is very closely related to Ubuntu anyway :)15:53
bencrisford1yeah, i just found that out i guess :)15:53
bencrisford1i wasnt ditching him, i was just a lil confused15:53
xteejxhehe its cool, no worries, linux only ;)15:54
xteejxany ideas guys?15:54
bencrisford1no, i gotta write a 1000 word essay by monday15:55
bencrisford1:(15:55
xteejxps, bencrisford1, I had to "ditch" someone a couple of months ago that reported a bug about XP...... lol15:55
xteejxbest get moving then lol15:55
dupondjedamn flash support is really crappy crappy :15:58
dupondje:(15:58
BUGabundokklimonda: ping16:01
kklimonda?16:01
kklimondaBUGabundo: pong :)16:01
BUGabundokklimonda: hey. I dint get a reply from you on identica16:01
kklimondaBUGabundo: gwibber has crushed :)16:02
kklimondacrashed*.16:02
kklimondasigh16:02
BUGabundolol16:02
BUGabundorestart it16:02
kklimondaI just did16:03
BUGabundoPVT kklimonda16:03
* bencrisford1 doesnt want to write an essay :(16:12
* xteejx is bored16:12
bencrisford1wanna write me an essay? :D16:12
xteejxon what?16:12
bencrisford1hehe 1000 word short story16:13
xteejxermm i think i'll pass ;)16:13
bencrisford1you said you were bored16:13
bencrisford1i was just trying to help..16:13
xteejxnot THAT bored lol16:13
bencrisford1haha16:13
xteejxbeen there done that, 25 now, rather not go back to doing essays lol16:13
bencrisford1:P fair enough16:14
bencrisford1time for my 5-a-day i think16:14
xteejxgrapes, blueberries, apples, pears and oranges?16:14
xteejxlol16:15
bencrisford1xteejx: I meant 5-a-day bugs16:17
bencrisford1hmm16:17
bencrisford1!info 5-a-day16:17
ubot4bencrisford1: Package 5-a-day does not exist in jaunty16:17
bencrisford1darrn16:17
xteejx!search 5aday16:17
ubot4Found: 5aday@5-a-day16:17
xteejx!5aday16:17
ubot45-a-day is a community event where each person will take 5 bugs a day and work on them. Everyone is invited to help no matter your abilities! More information available at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/5-A-Day16:17
bencrisford1https://wiki.ubuntu.com/5-A-Day16:17
xteejx;)16:17
xteejxps i know what you meant hehe16:18
bencrisford1:P oh16:18
xteejx1,466 people in #ubuntu omg16:19
BUGabundosheeee16:22
BUGabundoits almost as bad as in ReleaseParty day16:23
BUGabundo4K there16:23
BUGabundoand over 2k on #ubuntu-release-party16:23
BUGabundoall those dead bunnies16:23
xteejxlol i noticed!16:25
bencrisford1hmm, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/381901 , dunno whether to make it a gnome bug or not16:25
bencrisford1thoughts?16:25
ubot4Launchpad bug 381901 in ubuntu "No desktop after login, after fresh install of 9.04" [Undecided,New]16:25
bencrisford1it might just be a boot issue16:25
xteejxhas LP been updated??16:25
xteejxbencrisford1, I would say X autoconfiguration, but if he can see the GDM login screen, I doubt it16:26
xteejxdrivers or GNOME I would guess....16:27
BUGabundoI would go with X or GDM16:28
BUGabundoyou gonna need the .sessionerrors16:29
xteejxbencrisford1, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Debugging16:30
smeg0lwxcam keeps freezing16:31
BUGabundosmeg0l: support is on #ubuntu16:32
smeg0lyeah but i think i'ts a bug in karmic16:33
BUGabundosmeg0l: #ubuntu-bugs is not for support but for bug triaging. Thank you for your input.16:33
BUGabundosmeg0l: all please take a look at launchpad for known bugs or open a new one with $ ubuntu-bug wxcam16:33
smeg0lsry i'm new to this stuff16:33
BUGabundosmeg0l: for Karmic support please visit #ubuntu+116:33
BUGabundosmeg0l: no need to be sorry16:33
smeg0lokay thx BUGabundo16:34
BUGabundosmeg0l: np16:34
BUGabundogood luck16:34
xteejxIf a window is resizing incorrectly when a new tab is opened, specifically in gvim, does it make any sense in getting a gdb backtrace for it?16:38
BUGabundono16:38
xteejxThere are no set procedures for this on the wiki, what should I do? bug 13785416:39
ubot4Launchpad bug 137854 in vim "vim-gnome window does not resize correctly when opening the 1st tab" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/13785416:39
xteejxCannot reproduce in Jaunty btw16:39
BUGabundoI would upstream it16:39
BUGabundoand let upstream triagers handled it16:39
BUGabundoccing LP for changes16:39
xteejxsetting bugwatch you mean?16:39
BUGabundoyep16:41
xteejxhaving trouble finding a bugtracker for vim...16:44
BUGabundoisn't it GNOME?16:44
BUGabundoplus when I clink on the upstream bug on LP16:44
BUGabundoit should tell you what BTS it is16:44
xteejxahh ok ill have a look :)16:45
xteejxnope, still can't find it :(16:48
xteejxaccording to https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+upstreamreport there is no upstream bugtracker, will mail the developers16:53
BUGabundookay16:56
xteejxWhich version of Ubuntu has the 2.6.27.11 kernel?16:58
xteejx!hardy16:58
ubot4Ubuntu 8.04-LTS (Hardy Heron) was the eighth release of Ubuntu. Downloading: http://releases.ubuntu.com/8.04 - See !lts for more details.16:58
xteejxhmmm i dunno16:58
BUGabundoxteejx: check Linux source on LP16:59
xteejxahh ok16:59
kklimondalinux | 2.6.27-11.31 | intrepid-security17:01
kklimondaand linux | 2.6.27.11.14 | intrepid-security/restricted | amd64, i38617:01
kklimondaxteejx: ^^17:01
xteejxI've just had a look at LP, it says 2.6.27-14.33 for main/updates17:02
xteejxso he's behind a few versions, correct17:03
xteejx?17:03
kklimondalooks like it17:03
xteejxLooks like I'll be incompleting it then and get the guy to check all updates before i report it upstream :)17:04
BUGabundoxteejx: good idea17:04
xteejx:)17:05
xteejxThanks for that help guys, completely forgot I could use LP for the versions hehe17:05
hggdhjcastro, ping17:30
BUGabundohey gnomefreak hggdh17:33
gnomefreakhi BUGabundo17:33
hggdhhi BUGabundo17:34
xteejxhi hggdh17:49
hggdhhi xteejx17:54
bencrisfordbdmurray: Ping?17:58
xteejxDoubt he's around I was going to say about the Fbook group lol18:01
bencrisfordin bug 381901, would this command put the xsession-errors on his usb:18:09
ubot4Launchpad bug 381901 in ubuntu "No desktop after login, after fresh install of 9.04" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/38190118:09
bencrisfordsudo cp ~/.xsession-errors /media/<name of usb>18:09
hggdhbencrisford, except you do not need 'sudo', ~/.xsession-errors and the usb should all be under the user's current id18:18
bencrisfordi needed sudo :/18:18
bencrisfordthe user is gonna be doing this from Ctrl+Alt+F6 because X isnt loading18:19
bencrisfordbut he needs to *try* and load it in order to get the errors i assumed18:19
BUGabundohum18:19
BUGabundostop gdm18:20
BUGabundoand use $ startx ?18:20
bencrisfordi thought he should try that18:20
bencrisfordi mentioned it18:20
bencrisfordbut i already told him to do init 218:20
bencrisfordso i didnt wanna make him hate me :P18:20
BUGabundoeeh18:23
BUGabundohummm18:24
BUGabundoisn't sudo telinit 2 much better?18:24
* bencrisford doesnt know :(18:26
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xteejxAnyone here?19:16
xteejxhggdh, Would you mind advising me on something very quickly please?19:17
xteejxHow do I create a chroot environment for Hardy/Intrepid to test an old version...and is this possible??19:18
BUGabundoxteejx: pong19:19
xteejxno i don't i had a wash :) hehe19:19
BUGabundo?19:19
xteejxdont worry :)19:19
xteejxits for bug 139794, how would I debug this, it's in Hardy19:20
ubot4Launchpad bug 139794 in kdenetwork "slow update of chat window" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/13979419:20
xteejxand Intrepid, sorry19:20
xteejxCan apport-collect be used in Hardy or Intrepid, and if not is there a workaround for collecting the data that it normally would for them 2 versions of (K)Ubuntu19:26
hggdhxteejx, perhaps it will be faster to create a VM19:43
BUGabundoreally?19:43
xteejxhggdh, dunno if I got enough HD space to be honest...this isn't my laptop, dual-boot with XP sadly :(19:44
xteejxI'm on another one now, I'm really stumped with KDE bugs19:44
xteejxbut they're SO old that it's hard to say can you upgrade and test, as KDE4 is the standard now, or can we still ask them that?19:44
hggdhthe problem will be setting another X... I think the wiki has instructions on how to do it19:45
BUGabundoxteejx: you should upstream most KDE bugs19:45
BUGabundobut if they are 3.x forget about it19:45
hggdhfrom hardy to jaunty is a big jump...19:45
xteejxseriously??19:45
BUGabundoyep19:45
BUGabundothey stated that them selvs19:45
xteejxhow do i put that to the people with old untouched/open bugs?19:45
hggdhBTW -- all: #ubuntu-bugs-announce will be offline for about one hour for a server move to another room19:46
xteejxHow is : "KDE 3.x is no longer supported as per the KDE developers policies, can you please upgrade to Jaunty and see if this is still a problem" ??19:47
BUGabundowell we still suport those19:47
BUGabundobetter get a more definitive anwser from kubuntu devel19:47
xteejxso, practice is to just upstream them all?19:48
BUGabundohumm for 4.x yes19:48
xteejxwhat about 3.x then? sorry i'm a bit confused19:48
BUGabundoyou can check bugs.k.o for old 3.x bugs and see if they were fixed19:48
BUGabundoand if kub devs want to patch it19:48
xteejxahh ok i'll have a look19:49
xteejxthanks BUGabundo19:49
BUGabundoxteejx: again, please try to get a more definitive answer from kubuntu devs19:49
BUGabundodon't take my word for it19:49
xteejxabout the support for 3.x you mean?19:49
BUGabundobut from I know upstream will not support 3.x19:50
xteejxBUGabundo, it looks like you were right, KDE 3.5 is obsolete, not at all supported by then20:03
BUGabundo1eheh20:03
BUGabundo1told you so20:03
xteejxdamn, so everyones pretty much gotta go to jaunty then!?20:04
BUGabundo1xteejx: I had the please of co-organizing Tokamak (a Plasma summit) and be with 16 core devs20:04
BUGabundo1I should know what I'm talking about eheh20:04
BUGabundo1xteejx: no. just PPA and kde4 for bigger support20:04
BUGabundo1anything else, it's a question of our devs to backport fixes20:04
xteejxunlikely then...20:05
xteejxwon't it be hard to backport fixes from KDE4 to 3.5, I thought the codebase was completely different?20:05
BUGabundo1very much so20:07
xteejxI'm just trying to work out a nice way of saying "we can't support KDE 3.5 well, as the KDE project don't either" lol20:08
xteejxbug 139850 I'm looking at - I don't even have KDE/Kubuntu to test it :(20:09
ubot4Launchpad bug 139850 in ppp "kppp can`t in system tray when reconnect" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/13985020:09
xteejxbut these bugs are so old, they need cleared out!20:09
BUGabundo1too many Won't Fix I see in your Future20:09
xteejxpsychic abilities ;) lol20:09
xteejxBUGabundo1, How should I triage bug 139850?20:12
ubot4Launchpad bug 139850 in ppp "kppp can`t in system tray when reconnect" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/13985020:12
xteejxThink I'll stock response it, probably the best way I think20:17
BUGabundo1put it in the wiki20:18
BUGabundo1so it can be revised and improved20:19
BUGabundo1you made a few english errors20:19
BUGabundo1on your 1st try20:19
xteejxBUGabundo, I AM English lol20:21
BUGabundo1humm20:22
BUGabundo1guess it was a typo20:22
BUGabundo1dinner20:22
BUGabundo1bbl20:22
xteejxI don't know how to edit the wiki, can someone do that for me, and put the following into the Bug/Responses page: "Thank you for reporting this bug and helping to make Ubuntu better. Unfortunately, due to the release of KDE4 there is no official support from the KDE Project. Therefore we would like to request that you upgrade to 9.04 (Jaunty Jackalope) onwards so that we can provide full support for you. Note that some fixes/package upd20:26
YoBoYxteejx: you only need to login to edit20:27
xteejxYoBoY, I'm unfamiliar with editing the wiki and don't want to mess it up, I'd rather someone else done it so it doesn't get messed up.20:28
xteejxIf anyone is available to do that, I'd appreciate it.20:30
pace_t_zuluanyone have problems w/ firefox languages?21:02
BUGabundopace_t_zulu: not me21:10
BUGabundousing 3.621:10
pace_t_zuluBUGabundo, 3.6? i think you mean 3.5...21:11
BUGabundoMozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2a1pre) Gecko/20090529 Ubuntu/9.10 (karmic) Minefield/3.6a1pre ID:2009052918154721:11
pace_t_zuluBUGabundo, did you see i'm following you on identi.ca?21:11
BUGabundoyou have to learnt to believe me21:11
BUGabundoand that I'm cutting edge extremist21:11
pace_t_zuluBUGabundo, could have been a typo21:11
BUGabundo;)21:12
BUGabundoI'm Perfect! I don't do typus21:12
pace_t_zuluso which deb are you running? granparadiso?21:12
BUGabundopace_t_zulu: no, I don't remember seeing you on identica21:12
BUGabundofirefox daily PP21:12
BUGabundo*PPA21:12
pace_t_zuluBUGabundo, i'm "jhaitas" on identi.ca ... and on launchpad for that matter21:13
pace_t_zuluBUGabundo, could you pass along a link to the PPA?21:13
BUGabundoping me... so I can back follow21:13
BUGabundogoogle would be quicker ;)21:13
BUGabundodeb http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-mozilla-daily/ppa/ubuntu karmic main21:14
BUGabundopong21:14
BUGabundoahhh I remember now....21:14
bencrisfordpace_t_zulu: Follow me on identi.ca too :D :P21:15
BUGabundodidn't associated the nick to here21:15
BUGabundobencrisford: *NEVER* ask that21:15
BUGabundothat makes you sound needie!!21:15
bencrisfordI am needie!21:15
bencrisfordI was joking anyway21:15
bencrisford*DONT* follow me on identi.ca pace_t_zulu!  WHATEVER YOU DO!!!!21:16
bencrisfordBUGabundo: better :P?21:16
pace_t_zuluBUGabundo, i suddenly want to follow this guy bencrisford21:16
bencrisforddont you dare pace_t_zulu!21:17
BUGabundoahah21:17
bencrisford>:21:17
BUGabundolets block him21:17
* bencrisford weeps :(21:17
BUGabundojust kidding! I don't block! I flood!21:18
BUGabundocheck out my denticator stats21:19
BUGabundohttp://www.macno.org/denticator.php?user=bugabundo&weekchart=bar&daychart=bar21:19
pace_t_zuluBUGabundo, what does firefox 3.6 have that 3.5 doesn't?21:19
BUGabundonow compare that to most other users that are in this room21:19
BUGabundomore? I would say less.... less supported addons21:19
BUGabundolol21:19
dupondjebencrisford:  my Audacious worked :) its in my PPA now :D21:20
BUGabundonew js engine, a bit faster, new Tab changer21:20
PfifferIs it still called Gran Paradiso? That just seemed really pretentious to me.21:20
bencrisforddupondje: Nice :D!  Well done :)21:21
BUGabundoMinefield21:21
Piciiirc Its Shiretoko now.  They're named after parks.21:21
BUGabundoPici: no. that's 3.521:21
BUGabundo3.6 is minefiled21:21
pace_t_zuluBUGabundo, is it relatively stable?21:21
PiciMinefield is always the lasest version, they have specific codenames for each milestone release.21:22
BUGabundoyou are asking a cutting edge guy if a pre alpha1 app is stable?21:22
BUGabundosure... no less then 3.5 or 3.0 for me21:22
dupondjenow it should go into Karmic ;)21:22
pace_t_zuluhaha21:22
BUGabundodupondje: it won't21:22
BUGabundorelease milestones are for febuary 201021:22
pace_t_zuludupondje, 3.5 is going into karmic21:22
BUGabundodupondje: maybe, just maybe in universe or something21:23
dupondjepace_t_zulu:  was talking about Audacious :)21:23
Picihttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firefox#Release_history21:23
BUGabundobut since fta keeps a bunch of *active* ppas for then, I see no trouble21:23
pace_t_zuludupondje, sorry21:23
dupondjenp :D21:23
dupondjeFTA ? :)21:24
BUGabundosoon it should take its oficial name, namoroka21:24
BUGabundoFabien21:24
BUGabundohe and asac are the core mozilla team on Ubuntu21:24
pace_t_zulufta and asac are also the chromium team21:27
BUGabundotrue21:27
pace_t_zuluBUGabundo, using 3.6 doesn't fix the language pack issue... it is still en-GB... should be en-US21:28
BUGabundois it filed?21:28
pace_t_zuluthere are a lot of bugs filed about it... i'm just wondering where the setting comes from so that i can change it21:28
pace_t_zuluthe bugs elude to it..21:29
BUGabundo1so I got disconected on "is it filed?"21:30
pace_t_zuluBUGabundo, there are a lot of bugs filed about language and firefox21:31
pace_t_zuluBUGabundo, none of them describe my exact issue21:31
BUGabundo1do you have a link ?21:31
BUGabundo1ahh ok21:31
BUGabundo1then file a new one21:31
BUGabundo1eheh21:31
pace_t_zuluBUGabundo, the closest i found is lp # 32026621:32
pace_t_zulu#32026621:32
pace_t_zululaunchpad 32026621:32
ubot4Launchpad bug 320266 in firefox-3.0 "Firefox spellchecker is not honoring the native language support specified in the Firefox configuration" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/32026621:32
BUGabundo1bug 32026621:32
ubot4Launchpad bug 320266 in firefox-3.0 "Firefox spellchecker is not honoring the native language support specified in the Firefox configuration" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/32026621:32
pace_t_zuluthere we go\21:32
pace_t_zului nominated it for Karmic21:33
BUGabundo1eheh21:33
BUGabundo1we won't support 3.0 on karmic21:33
BUGabundo1LOL21:33
pace_t_zuluBUGabundo, i realize... but this really a *firefox* issue that shouldn't really be affected by version number21:34
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dupondjewhen 8.10 came out, there were like updates every week21:40
dupondjeand now it didn't update a single package since release almost :p21:40
pace_t_zuluBUGabundo, you there?21:40
BUGabundo1yep21:40
BUGabundo1eheh21:40
BUGabundo1why ask?21:40
pace_t_zuluBUGabundo, i added a screenshot to bug 32026621:40
ubot4Launchpad bug 320266 in firefox-3.0 "Firefox spellchecker is not honoring the native language support specified in the Firefox configuration" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/32026621:40
BUGabundo1there is a reason for backlogs21:40
pace_t_zuluBUGabundo, what's that comment about backlogs mean?21:41
BUGabundo1LOLOL21:46
BUGabundo1pace_t_zulu: I meant IRC backlogs21:46
pace_t_zuluBUGabundo, were you talking to me?21:46
BUGabundo1yes pace_t_zulu21:47
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pace_t_zuluBUGabundo1, i'm not following... i suppose it is not something i should worry about21:49
BUGabundonvm then21:51
pace_t_zululater guys22:05
kklimonda*how* is disabled rm -rf / ?22:51
jmarsdenkklimonda: disabled from whom... users with root privs?  That could be hard to do...  protecting yourself from accidents... you could script an rm command that checks whether it is rm'in / and refuses to do that, I suppose.22:53
BUGabundoalias ?22:55
BUGabundoalias rm='echo NO'22:55
kklimondajmarsden: I remember someone saying that rm -rf / in Ubuntu doesn't work22:55
BUGabundoFAKE22:56
BUGabundoor actually22:56
BUGabundotry22:56
BUGabundo*true22:56
jmarsdenBUGabundo: Then you can't rm myjunkfile :)22:56
BUGabundoit will only remove $HOME22:56
BUGabundosudo rm -rf /22:56
BUGabundowill remove all data22:56
kmdmalias rm="rm -I" ?22:57
BUGabundohehe22:57
BUGabundoI've done that here22:57
BUGabundo$ grep rm .bashrc22:58
BUGabundoalias rm='rm -iv'22:58
jmarsdenBUGabundo: I think Fedora, RHEL and friends do that by default, or used to... always annoyed me :)22:59
kklimondakklimonda@vm-karmic:~$ sudo rm -rf /22:59
kklimondarm: cannot remove root directory `/'22:59
kklimondaand now - how is it done? :P22:59
BUGabundokklimonda: really ???22:59
BUGabundoLOL22:59
kklimondaI see it isn't done in coreutils23:00
kmdmhm, that's odd. The manpage indicates it should be...23:00
kmdm       --preserve-root23:00
kmdm              do not remove ‘/’ (default)23:00
kklimondawhoa, actually it is23:00
kklimondai forgot to unpack source :D23:01
BUGabundokklimonda: a guy on identica says it works on 8.1023:09
xteejxI'm trying to file an upstream bug against "Add/Remove Applications" - I can't find gnome-app-install on their bugtracker, what's it under?23:09
BUGabundoactually 8.0423:10
kklimondaBUGabundo: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/bugs/17428323:10
ubot4Launchpad bug 174283 in coreutils "rm does not preserve root by default" [Wishlist,Fix released]23:10
kklimondait was fixed in 8.1023:10
BUGabundoahaha23:11
kklimondahggdh says "This is now the default behaviour of 'rm' on Intrepid (and, it seems, on Hardy, since both package coreutils 6.10):"23:11
kklimondabut it may not be fixed in 8.04 as it seems to be ubuntu specific change to enable --preserve-root by default23:11
BUGabundokklimonda: how did you follow his reply so fast?23:11
kklimondaBUGabundo: whose?23:12
BUGabundokklimonda: cryzed23:12
kklimondaBUGabundo: i use gwibber but I'm not sure if it answers your question :D23:12
BUGabundoit doesn't23:12
kklimondaso please elaborate ;)23:13
xteejxanyone?23:13
BUGabundohe replyed to me, not to any group23:13
kklimondaBUGabundo: He also replied to me23:13
BUGabundoxteejx: wrong name23:13
BUGabundoahh I missed that!23:13
BUGabundokklimonda: ^^23:13
xteejxBUGabundo, what do i put it under in gnome bugzilla?23:13
BUGabundoxteejx: can't remember the proper name for it23:13
xteejxi done xprop, it told me gnome-app-install :(23:14
kklimondaxteejx: isn't it a LP project?23:14
xteejxI don't know23:14
kakemannhttps://launchpad.net/gnome-app-install23:16
xteejxkakemann, hehe ok - that's that one answered :)23:18
kakemann:)23:18
bencrisfordX.org = xorg-server right?23:20
bencrisfordin lp23:20
bencrisfordbecause i wasnt sure what package it is23:20
bencrisford!info xorg-server23:30
ubot4bencrisford: Package xorg-server does not exist in jaunty23:30
bencrisford!info xorg23:30
ubot4bencrisford: xorg (source: xorg): X.Org X Window System. In component main, is optional. Version 1:7.4~5ubuntu18 (jaunty), package size 1 kB, installed size 24 kB23:30
BUGabundohumm23:31
BUGabundodon't you want xserver-xorg ?23:31
bencrisford:/23:31
bencrisfordin lp all i can find is23:31
bencrisfordxorg-server23:32
bencrisfordand some other stuff23:32
bencrisfordmaybe xorg-server is the source package?23:32

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