[01:12] <BUGabundo> chrisccoulson: ping
[01:12] <BUGabundo> hey cwillu
[01:13] <chrisccoulson> hi BUGabundo
[01:13] <BUGabundo> chrisccoulson: about the syslinux merge
[01:14] <chrisccoulson> i don't mind taking a look at that, but i've got some other stuff i need to do first
[01:14] <BUGabundo> sure
[01:15] <BUGabundo> I'm just curious why a package that is used so much
[01:15] <BUGabundo> doesn't get the attention it deservs
[01:15] <BUGabundo> nixternal: ping
[01:15] <chrisccoulson> not sure really. perhaps if it doesn't get that much attention, it should be in universe
[01:15] <chrisccoulson> (it might be already - I havent checked)
[01:17] <BUGabundo>         500 http://darkstar.ist.utl.pt karmic/main Packages
[01:17] <BUGabundo> its in MAIN
[01:17] <BUGabundo>   Candidate: 2:3.63+dfsg-2ubuntu3
[01:17] <BUGabundo> with version 3.80 on debian and 3.81 upstream
[01:18] <chrisccoulson> i noticed it get some patches backported to hardy from intrepid this year, but other than that, there's been no other uploads since 15/7/2008
[01:19] <chrisccoulson> ah, ok, it's used for the installer
[01:20] <BUGabundo> and wubi and usbcreator etc
[02:56] <Pfiffer> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tsclient/+bug/381795 Somebody muight want to look over this bug
[02:56] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 381795 in tsclient "tsclient should be upgraded to 2.0.1" [Undecided,New]
[02:56] <Pfiffer> Maybe mark it as wishlist
[03:09] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdepim/+bug/381803
[03:09] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 381803 in kdepim "deleting thread takes you to next mail by date, not unread" [Undecided,New]
[03:09] <BUGabundo> and upstream at http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=194612
[03:09] <ubot4> KDE bug 194612 in general "deleting thread takes you to next mail by date, not unread" [Normal,Unconfirmed]
[10:34] <askand> Since installing Jaunty the applications is segfaulting like never before, I have >10 different apps segfaulting for me every hour. I was thinking it was a fauly memorymodule and ran the memorytest for 24 hours without errors.
[10:34] <askand> What could possibly have happened to cause this, I find it hard to believe that all these apps suddenly have become extremly crashy since Intrepid.
[10:35] <bencrisford> askand: Did you install or upgrade?
[10:35] <askand> bencrisford: It was a clean install
[10:35] <bencrisford> Hmm
[10:36] <askand> Im thinking it may perhaps be the new version of the compiler that compiles the packages has changed in a way that does not play nice with my hardware
[10:36] <askand> Might that be possible?
[10:37] <bencrisford> I guess it is
[10:37] <bencrisford> have you reported this yet?
[10:38] <askand> I have reported every segfault (not firefox due to bug  314212 ) but I have not reported it as "I have lots of segfaulting"
[10:38] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 314212 in python-apt "Apport unable to report crash -  urlopen error timed out" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/314212
[11:45] <askand> is this trace good for anything http://pastebin.com/m57723c9b ?
[12:19] <smeg0l> hi
[12:19] <bencrisford1> hi
[12:21] <smeg0l> i'm running karmic koala 9.10 alpha 1 and have subscriep to bugs squad but am very confused don't know where to start ?
[12:23] <xteejx> Good afternoon guys
[12:24] <smeg0l> any help would be much apriciated
[12:24] <xteejx> What's the problem smeg0l?
[12:25] <smeg0l> i'm running karmic koala 9.10 alpha 1 and have subscriep to bugs squad but am very confused don't know where to start ?
[12:25] <smeg0l> xteejx, pm ?
[12:26] <xteejx> smeg0l: I would suggest starting here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToTriage and taking notes, also https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProcedures will give details of how to triage and debug the most common problems.
[12:28] <smeg0l> thx xteejx have bookmarked them
[12:28] <xteejx> No problem. If you ever need a push in the right direction there are usually people on here that will help guide you on what to to next :)
[12:29] <smeg0l> good
[12:31] <bencrisford1> afternoon xteejx
[12:31] <xteejx> hey hey, ben :)
[12:34] <xteejx> Question, IS anyone allowed to go to the UDS?
[12:36] <bencrisford1> xteejx: Yeah I think so
[12:36] <bencrisford1> you have to say you're going beforehand
[12:36] <bencrisford1> and you can apply for sponsorship
[12:36] <xteejx> of course
[12:36] <bencrisford1> and if you get it then canonical pay for plane and accomidation
[12:37] <xteejx> bencrisford1, Just wondered, if they're doing one in the UK I might go
[12:37] <bencrisford1> yeah me too
[12:37] <bencrisford1> well
[12:37] <bencrisford1> maybe in a few years :P
[12:37] <bencrisford1> but its not likely unless we really push for it
[12:37] <bencrisford1> because canonical is uk based and they like to travel
[12:38] <bencrisford1> so i hear
[12:38] <xteejx> yeah i suppose so, doubt i'd get to go though, no way in hell they' pay for little old me lol
[12:38] <bencrisford1> lol, but if it was uk it would be affordable
[12:38] <xteejx> very true
[12:38] <bencrisford1> just dont stay in the hotel, stay in some crapy b+b
[12:39] <bencrisford1> ::P
[12:39] <xteejx> i would be, £20 a night lol
[12:39] <bencrisford1> yeah lol
[12:39] <bencrisford1> if it was london i could stay with family in the suburbs, take the tube in each morning
[12:39] <xteejx> Doing it at the o2 arena would be quite good if they could...
[12:39] <bencrisford1> i doubt it :P
[12:40] <bencrisford1> its in conference centers
[12:40] <bencrisford1> i think linuxworld london is in the excel center
[12:40] <dupondje> building audacious :D:D
[12:40] <xteejx> isle of dogs? that would be easy to get to even from kent
[12:40] <Hobbsee> xteejx: sure.  You can register yourself on launchpad for it, and htey'll print you a name badge.
[12:41] <xteejx> Hobbsee, even if I don't turn up?
[12:41] <Hobbsee> xteejx: well, it's advised that you turn up if you say you're going to ;)
[12:41] <xteejx> lol :)
[12:41] <bencrisford1> or face the wrath of sabdfl!
[12:41] <xteejx> heh
[12:42] <xteejx> can't believe i'm watching britain's got no talent.... brb
[12:42] <Hobbsee> more like claire, but yes
[12:42] <bencrisford1> Hobbsee: Yeah :P
[12:51] <xteejx> bencrisford1, Do you know if they've put videos of UDS yet?
[12:51] <bencrisford1> errrr *scratches butt* ill see if i can find out
[12:52] <bencrisford1> xteejx: I cant find them
[12:52] <bencrisford1> they need to be edited i guess
[12:52] <xteejx> me neither :(
[12:53] <xteejx> dont the live streams get recorded then?
[12:53] <bencrisford1> dont think so
[12:53] <bencrisford1> not sure
[12:55] <xteejx> bit of a shame, would be good to feel like we're actually there, I know its too late to propose anything now, but it'd still be good to see how it all went....
[12:58] <bencrisford1> yeah
[12:59] <bencrisford1> next year itll be US
[12:59] <bencrisford1> november*
[12:59] <Hobbsee> xteejx: they had icecasts for everything but the plenaries, you know
[12:59] <Hobbsee> so you could listen in
[12:59] <bencrisford1> then next may it'll be somewhere europe
[12:59] <bencrisford1> Hobbsee: I know, I did :)
[12:59] <Hobbsee> bencrisford1: :)
[12:59] <xteejx> Hobbsee, I did for a bit
[13:00] <bencrisford1> Hobbsee: Can you help me with a bit of packaging please?
[13:00] <mib_gvdksqjw> i have a question.	how can i have root access in ubuntu?
[13:00] <Hobbsee> bencrisford1: maybe, what are you after?
[13:00] <mib_gvdksqjw> please help me
[13:00]  * Hobbsee is doing an assignment here in the background
[13:00] <mib_gvdksqjw> please
[13:00] <Hobbsee> !root
[13:00] <ubot4> Do not try to guess the root password, that is impossible. Instead, realise the truth... there is no root password. Then you will see that it is 'sudo' that grants you access and not the root password. Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
[13:00] <bencrisford1> in terminal mib_gvdksqjw type "sudo <command>"
[13:01] <bencrisford1> or "sudo su"
[13:01] <bencrisford1> to get root access
[13:01] <bencrisford1> (sans quotes)
[13:01] <bencrisford1> Hobbsee: Its just the people on #ubuntu-motu are getting a bit fed up with my repetitive questions :P
[13:01] <bencrisford1> I have fixed a bug in documentation, they are saying to upload it to my PPA and make a merge proposal
[13:02] <bencrisford1> But I don't know what to upload
[13:02] <mib_gvdksqjw> thanks alot from all
[13:02] <Hobbsee> then pass.  I've not done that stuff.
[13:02] <Hobbsee> upload the source.changes file
[13:02]  * Hobbsee *can* help with that bit
[13:02] <bencrisford1> well i want to just upload the .diff as a patch
[13:02] <Hobbsee> and then get it to build in a ppa?
[13:02] <Hobbsee> you can attach the patch to the bug, if you prefer
[13:02] <bencrisford1> i do prefer
[13:02] <bencrisford1> but they say itll be better in my ppa
[13:02] <bencrisford1> :(
[13:03]  * Hobbsee isn't sure what the latest sponsoring wishes are
[13:03] <Hobbsee> what package is it for?
[13:03] <bencrisford1> edubuntu-docs
[13:03] <bencrisford1> so if i uploaded it id have to subscribe ubuntu-main-sponsors
[13:03] <bencrisford1> i know that much :)
[13:03] <Hobbsee> edubuntu-docs...i'd guess that's maintained in bzr...
[13:03] <bencrisford1> it is
[13:04] <bencrisford1> i done a bzr diff
[13:04] <bencrisford1> the diff should be right
[13:04] <bencrisford1> but the rest is wrongs
[13:04] <Hobbsee> i'm not overly familiar with bzr, but if you've pushed your branch, can't you just request the merge proposal, without the ppa route?
[13:07] <bencrisford1> dunno
[13:07] <Hobbsee> that's the way I understand bzr to work
[13:07] <Hobbsee> but, again, I don't use bzr much at all, and don't do merge proposals and all that fancy stuff with it
[13:08] <bencrisford1> i dont have commit access
[13:08] <bencrisford1> so i cant push
[13:09] <Hobbsee> you can push to your own branch.
[13:09] <bencrisford1> i dont have a branch
[13:10] <Hobbsee> make one
[13:11] <bencrisford1> :/  but isnt a ppa effectively a branch anyway?
[13:11] <Hobbsee> no
[13:11] <Hobbsee> !bzr
[13:12] <ubot4> bzr is Bazaar-NG, a decentralized revision control system designed to be easy for developers and end users alike. Decentralized revision control systems give people the ability to work over the internet using the bazaar development model.  See http://bazaar-vcs.org/QuickHackingWithBzr for a quickstart guide.
[13:12] <Hobbsee> er, not thatlink.  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bzr is very helpful on undersatnding bzr
[13:12] <bencrisford1> i understand it i have the playbook
[13:12] <bencrisford1> but effectively a ppa is very similar
[13:12] <bencrisford1> not in the way it works
[13:12] <bencrisford1> but what it does :/
[13:13] <bencrisford1> so am i allowed to just register a branch?
[13:13]  * xteejx wonders if Ubuntu can integrate everyone on Facebook...
[13:14] <bencrisford1> ahh, facebook :)
[13:14] <xteejx> I did make a Ubuntu Bugs group lol
[13:14] <Hobbsee> bencrisford1: afaik, yes.  You can make whatever branches you like under your own name, or projects that you have commit access to
[13:15] <bencrisford1> brb
[13:17] <Hobbsee> but, again, bzr is not my area of expertise, and i may be giving out out of date information
[13:39] <bencrisford1> http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=88568611005 -- anyone here with facebook -- JOIN THAT! :D
[13:39] <xteejx> hehe
[13:42] <bencrisford1> send a mail on the mailing list bout it xteejx ;)
[13:42] <xteejx> ahh i'll leave that to you haha
[13:42] <bencrisford1> :P
[13:42] <bencrisford1> bug control should get officer rank on the group AND i should because im special
[13:43] <bencrisford1> bdmurray: ping
[13:44] <xteejx> pong
[13:48] <xteejx> bdmurray, Brian are you about?
[14:09] <dupondje> is there a help channel for people that want to create packages ? ;)
[14:10] <bencrisford1> #ubuntu-motu
[14:10] <xteejx> #ubuntu-motu ??
[14:10] <bencrisford1> yup
[14:10] <xteejx> oi sod off you troublemaker i said it first :) hehe
[14:14] <dupondje> they seem all asleep :P
[14:14] <xteejx> like here then
[14:14] <bencrisford1> dupondje: Whats your problem?
[14:14] <bencrisford1> as in with packaging
[14:15] <xteejx> if its just a guide you need there are a few on the wiki
[14:15] <bencrisford1> dupondje: I might be able to help :)
[14:15] <bencrisford1> i doubt it, but i might
[14:15] <dupondje> i'm trying to make a package of audacious :)
[14:15] <dupondje> dpkg-shlibdeps: failure: couldn't find library libSAD.so.2 needed by debian/audacious/usr/bin/audacious2 (its RPATH is '/usr/lib').
[14:15] <dupondje> but i get this on debuild
[14:15] <bencrisford1> hang on
[14:16] <bencrisford1> start from the beginning
[14:16] <bencrisford1> so you're practicing packaging
[14:16] <bencrisford1> with audacious?
[14:16] <dupondje> yep :)
[14:16] <bencrisford1> ok
[14:16] <bencrisford1> so you do debuild -S?
[14:17] <BUGabundo> guud morning
[14:17] <bencrisford1> ullo
[14:17] <dupondje> bencrisford1:  no, just debuild ...
[14:18] <bencrisford1> try debuild -S
[14:18] <bencrisford1> i doubt itll make a difference
[14:18] <bencrisford1> but i normally use it
[14:18] <bencrisford1> it makes a signed package
[14:19] <dupondje> but it doesn't make a .deb ?
[14:25] <bencrisford1> yes
[14:25] <bencrisford1> but your gpg key will sign it
[14:25] <bencrisford1> but im no expert at all
[14:25] <bencrisford1> you might even know more than me
[14:26] <bencrisford1> try asking on #ubuntu-motu again, or maybe even #ubuntu-devel
[14:26] <bencrisford1> although i dont THINK audacious is main, it might still be worth asking them
[14:26] <dupondje> héhé thx anyway
[14:27] <bencrisford1> :)
[14:29] <bencrisford1> brb
[14:31] <BUGabundo> bencrisford1:         500 http://darkstar.ist.utl.pt karmic/universe Packages
[14:31] <BUGabundo> its in Universe
[14:31] <bencrisford1> oh, i didnt think it was main (as i said) but still, if the motu channel is quiet, he might get an answer there BUGabundo
[14:32] <BUGabundo> I know bencrisford1
[14:32] <bencrisford1> :)
[14:32] <BUGabundo> then again it's the weekend *after* UDS
[14:32] <BUGabundo> so don't expect much action
[14:33] <bencrisford1> nah i guess
[14:35] <bencrisford1> im off out for a while ;)
[14:37] <xteejx> hey guys
[14:37] <xteejx> hi BUGabundo
[14:39] <BUGabundo> hye xteejx
[14:39] <BUGabundo> xteejx: I fixed your sig on your +1 for bencrisford1 wiki page
[14:39] <xteejx> BUGabundo, thanks :)
[14:55] <BUGabundo> what do you do when someone closes the bug, without being the one in charge or the OP of a bug ? https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/322115
[14:55] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 322115 in pulseaudio "my HDA almost mutes if I set volume to 50%" [Undecided,Invalid]
[14:55] <BUGabundo> oh never mind
[14:56] <BUGabundo> he is the OP?
[14:56] <BUGabundo> s/?/!/
[15:09] <xteejx> !info ldap
[15:10] <ubot4> xteejx: Package ldap does not exist in jaunty
[15:10] <xteejx> !info libnss-ldap
[15:10] <ubot4> xteejx: libnss-ldap (source: libnss-ldap): NSS module for using LDAP as a naming service. In component main, is extra. Version 261-2.1ubuntu1 (jaunty), package size 71 kB, installed size 252 kB
[15:25]  * bencrisford1 made his first patch :)
[15:25] <bencrisford1> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/27298353/edubuntu-docs_9.04.1ubuntu2.diff
[15:25] <xteejx> woot woot
[15:26] <bencrisford1> :P :)
[15:43] <xteejx> Can someone have a look at bug 380643 please? Is this right, and also how can I do this on a production system??
[15:43] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 380643 in brasero "files with % in name within folder fail to burn" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/380643
[15:43] <bencrisford1> ill take a peep
[15:43] <bencrisford1> peek*
[15:43] <xteejx> cheers ben :)#
[15:44] <bencrisford1> hes using mint!
[15:45] <xteejx> I know, but its a problem in Jaunty as well, I reproduced it
[15:45] <bencrisford1> oh
[15:46] <bencrisford1> xteejx: I wouldnt mark as medium
[15:46] <bencrisford1> it can easily be worked around
[15:47] <xteejx> but that guy has like 10 karma, and not a member of any group, is he talking rubbish or is that what to do?
[15:47] <xteejx> Yeah, hence Low ;)
[15:47] <xteejx> Well it's Low-Medium
[15:47] <xteejx> moderate severity on core application
[15:49] <xteejx> lol i had already set it as low and then set it to medium again what a div i am lol
[15:50] <xteejx> bencrisford1: Do you get what he means about genisoimage and mkiso?
[15:50] <BUGabundo> medium without any subs to it ??
[15:50] <xteejx> BUGabundo, it's Low, I forgot I already set it as Low lol
[15:51] <xteejx> 1st acciedental mistake, it'll be the last
[15:51] <bencrisford1> xteejx: Dont judge him by karma
[15:51] <bencrisford1> the poor sod prolly registered just to report that bug
[15:51] <bencrisford1> i think he deserves credit for that IMO
[15:51] <xteejx> hmm
[15:51] <bencrisford1> you cant judge people cos they dont contribute to ubuntu
[15:52] <bencrisford1> most people dont even have time
[15:52] <xteejx> I meant Schily...he seems invloved with brasero, but I haven't a clue how to do what he's asking on a stable production system (i.e. mine)
[15:53] <BUGabundo> and bencrisford1 don't ditch a user just because he uses mint
[15:53] <bencrisford1> BUGabundo: I wasnt ditching him :)
[15:53] <bencrisford1> i was just a little surprised
[15:53] <xteejx> mint is very closely related to Ubuntu anyway :)
[15:53] <bencrisford1> yeah, i just found that out i guess :)
[15:53] <bencrisford1> i wasnt ditching him, i was just a lil confused
[15:54] <xteejx> hehe its cool, no worries, linux only ;)
[15:54] <xteejx> any ideas guys?
[15:55] <bencrisford1> no, i gotta write a 1000 word essay by monday
[15:55] <bencrisford1> :(
[15:55] <xteejx> ps, bencrisford1, I had to "ditch" someone a couple of months ago that reported a bug about XP...... lol
[15:55] <xteejx> best get moving then lol
[15:58] <dupondje> damn flash support is really crappy crappy :
[15:58] <dupondje> :(
[16:01] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: ping
[16:01] <kklimonda> ?
[16:01] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: pong :)
[16:01] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: hey. I dint get a reply from you on identica
[16:02] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: gwibber has crushed :)
[16:02] <kklimonda> crashed*.
[16:02] <kklimonda> sigh
[16:02] <BUGabundo> lol
[16:02] <BUGabundo> restart it
[16:03] <kklimonda> I just did
[16:03] <BUGabundo> PVT kklimonda
[16:12]  * bencrisford1 doesnt want to write an essay :(
[16:12]  * xteejx is bored
[16:12] <bencrisford1> wanna write me an essay? :D
[16:12] <xteejx> on what?
[16:13] <bencrisford1> hehe 1000 word short story
[16:13] <xteejx> ermm i think i'll pass ;)
[16:13] <bencrisford1> you said you were bored
[16:13] <bencrisford1> i was just trying to help..
[16:13] <xteejx> not THAT bored lol
[16:13] <bencrisford1> haha
[16:13] <xteejx> been there done that, 25 now, rather not go back to doing essays lol
[16:14] <bencrisford1> :P fair enough
[16:14] <bencrisford1> time for my 5-a-day i think
[16:14] <xteejx> grapes, blueberries, apples, pears and oranges?
[16:15] <xteejx> lol
[16:17] <bencrisford1> xteejx: I meant 5-a-day bugs
[16:17] <bencrisford1> hmm
[16:17] <bencrisford1> !info 5-a-day
[16:17] <ubot4> bencrisford1: Package 5-a-day does not exist in jaunty
[16:17] <bencrisford1> darrn
[16:17] <xteejx> !search 5aday
[16:17] <ubot4> Found: 5aday@5-a-day
[16:17] <xteejx> !5aday
[16:17] <ubot4> 5-a-day is a community event where each person will take 5 bugs a day and work on them. Everyone is invited to help no matter your abilities! More information available at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/5-A-Day
[16:17] <bencrisford1> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/5-A-Day
[16:17] <xteejx> ;)
[16:18] <xteejx> ps i know what you meant hehe
[16:18] <bencrisford1> :P oh
[16:19] <xteejx> 1,466 people in #ubuntu omg
[16:22] <BUGabundo> sheeee
[16:23] <BUGabundo> its almost as bad as in ReleaseParty day
[16:23] <BUGabundo> 4K there
[16:23] <BUGabundo> and over 2k on #ubuntu-release-party
[16:23] <BUGabundo> all those dead bunnies
[16:25] <xteejx> lol i noticed!
[16:25] <bencrisford1> hmm, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/381901 , dunno whether to make it a gnome bug or not
[16:25] <bencrisford1> thoughts?
[16:25] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 381901 in ubuntu "No desktop after login, after fresh install of 9.04" [Undecided,New]
[16:25] <bencrisford1> it might just be a boot issue
[16:25] <xteejx> has LP been updated??
[16:26] <xteejx> bencrisford1, I would say X autoconfiguration, but if he can see the GDM login screen, I doubt it
[16:27] <xteejx> drivers or GNOME I would guess....
[16:28] <BUGabundo> I would go with X or GDM
[16:29] <BUGabundo> you gonna need the .sessionerrors
[16:30] <xteejx> bencrisford1, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Debugging
[16:31] <smeg0l> wxcam keeps freezing
[16:32] <BUGabundo> smeg0l: support is on #ubuntu
[16:33] <smeg0l> yeah but i think i'ts a bug in karmic
[16:33] <BUGabundo> smeg0l: #ubuntu-bugs is not for support but for bug triaging. Thank you for your input.
[16:33] <BUGabundo> smeg0l: all please take a look at launchpad for known bugs or open a new one with $ ubuntu-bug wxcam
[16:33] <smeg0l> sry i'm new to this stuff
[16:33] <BUGabundo> smeg0l: for Karmic support please visit #ubuntu+1
[16:33] <BUGabundo> smeg0l: no need to be sorry
[16:34] <smeg0l> okay thx BUGabundo
[16:34] <BUGabundo> smeg0l: np
[16:34] <BUGabundo> good luck
[16:38] <xteejx> If a window is resizing incorrectly when a new tab is opened, specifically in gvim, does it make any sense in getting a gdb backtrace for it?
[16:38] <BUGabundo> no
[16:39] <xteejx> There are no set procedures for this on the wiki, what should I do? bug 137854
[16:39] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 137854 in vim "vim-gnome window does not resize correctly when opening the 1st tab" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/137854
[16:39] <xteejx> Cannot reproduce in Jaunty btw
[16:39] <BUGabundo> I would upstream it
[16:39] <BUGabundo> and let upstream triagers handled it
[16:39] <BUGabundo> ccing LP for changes
[16:39] <xteejx> setting bugwatch you mean?
[16:41] <BUGabundo> yep
[16:44] <xteejx> having trouble finding a bugtracker for vim...
[16:44] <BUGabundo> isn't it GNOME?
[16:44] <BUGabundo> plus when I clink on the upstream bug on LP
[16:44] <BUGabundo> it should tell you what BTS it is
[16:45] <xteejx> ahh ok ill have a look :)
[16:48] <xteejx> nope, still can't find it :(
[16:53] <xteejx> according to https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+upstreamreport there is no upstream bugtracker, will mail the developers
[16:56] <BUGabundo> okay
[16:58] <xteejx> Which version of Ubuntu has the 2.6.27.11 kernel?
[16:58] <xteejx> !hardy
[16:58] <ubot4> Ubuntu 8.04-LTS (Hardy Heron) was the eighth release of Ubuntu. Downloading: http://releases.ubuntu.com/8.04 - See !lts for more details.
[16:58] <xteejx> hmmm i dunno
[16:59] <BUGabundo> xteejx: check Linux source on LP
[16:59] <xteejx> ahh ok
[17:01] <kklimonda> linux | 2.6.27-11.31 | intrepid-security
[17:01] <kklimonda> and linux | 2.6.27.11.14 | intrepid-security/restricted | amd64, i386
[17:01] <kklimonda> xteejx: ^^
[17:02] <xteejx> I've just had a look at LP, it says 2.6.27-14.33 for main/updates
[17:03] <xteejx> so he's behind a few versions, correct
[17:03] <xteejx> ?
[17:03] <kklimonda> looks like it
[17:04] <xteejx> Looks like I'll be incompleting it then and get the guy to check all updates before i report it upstream :)
[17:04] <BUGabundo> xteejx: good idea
[17:05] <xteejx> :)
[17:05] <xteejx> Thanks for that help guys, completely forgot I could use LP for the versions hehe
[17:30] <hggdh> jcastro, ping
[17:33] <BUGabundo> hey gnomefreak hggdh
[17:33] <gnomefreak> hi BUGabundo
[17:34] <hggdh> hi BUGabundo
[17:49] <xteejx> hi hggdh
[17:54] <hggdh> hi xteejx
[17:58] <bencrisford> bdmurray: Ping?
[18:01] <xteejx> Doubt he's around I was going to say about the Fbook group lol
[18:09] <bencrisford> in bug 381901, would this command put the xsession-errors on his usb:
[18:09] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 381901 in ubuntu "No desktop after login, after fresh install of 9.04" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/381901
[18:09] <bencrisford> sudo cp ~/.xsession-errors /media/<name of usb>
[18:18] <hggdh> bencrisford, except you do not need 'sudo', ~/.xsession-errors and the usb should all be under the user's current id
[18:18] <bencrisford> i needed sudo :/
[18:19] <bencrisford> the user is gonna be doing this from Ctrl+Alt+F6 because X isnt loading
[18:19] <bencrisford> but he needs to *try* and load it in order to get the errors i assumed
[18:19] <BUGabundo> hum
[18:20] <BUGabundo> stop gdm
[18:20] <BUGabundo> and use $ startx ?
[18:20] <bencrisford> i thought he should try that
[18:20] <bencrisford> i mentioned it
[18:20] <bencrisford> but i already told him to do init 2
[18:20] <bencrisford> so i didnt wanna make him hate me :P
[18:23] <BUGabundo> eeh
[18:24] <BUGabundo> hummm
[18:24] <BUGabundo> isn't sudo telinit 2 much better?
[18:26]  * bencrisford doesnt know :(
[19:16] <xteejx> Anyone here?
[19:17] <xteejx> hggdh, Would you mind advising me on something very quickly please?
[19:18] <xteejx> How do I create a chroot environment for Hardy/Intrepid to test an old version...and is this possible??
[19:19] <BUGabundo> xteejx: pong
[19:19] <xteejx> no i don't i had a wash :) hehe
[19:19] <BUGabundo> ?
[19:19] <xteejx> dont worry :)
[19:20] <xteejx> its for bug 139794, how would I debug this, it's in Hardy
[19:20] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 139794 in kdenetwork "slow update of chat window" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/139794
[19:20] <xteejx> and Intrepid, sorry
[19:26] <xteejx> Can apport-collect be used in Hardy or Intrepid, and if not is there a workaround for collecting the data that it normally would for them 2 versions of (K)Ubuntu
[19:43] <hggdh> xteejx, perhaps it will be faster to create a VM
[19:43] <BUGabundo> really?
[19:44] <xteejx> hggdh, dunno if I got enough HD space to be honest...this isn't my laptop, dual-boot with XP sadly :(
[19:44] <xteejx> I'm on another one now, I'm really stumped with KDE bugs
[19:44] <xteejx> but they're SO old that it's hard to say can you upgrade and test, as KDE4 is the standard now, or can we still ask them that?
[19:45] <hggdh> the problem will be setting another X... I think the wiki has instructions on how to do it
[19:45] <BUGabundo> xteejx: you should upstream most KDE bugs
[19:45] <BUGabundo> but if they are 3.x forget about it
[19:45] <hggdh> from hardy to jaunty is a big jump...
[19:45] <xteejx> seriously??
[19:45] <BUGabundo> yep
[19:45] <BUGabundo> they stated that them selvs
[19:45] <xteejx> how do i put that to the people with old untouched/open bugs?
[19:46] <hggdh> BTW -- all: #ubuntu-bugs-announce will be offline for about one hour for a server move to another room
[19:47] <xteejx> How is : "KDE 3.x is no longer supported as per the KDE developers policies, can you please upgrade to Jaunty and see if this is still a problem" ??
[19:47] <BUGabundo> well we still suport those
[19:47] <BUGabundo> better get a more definitive anwser from kubuntu devel
[19:48] <xteejx> so, practice is to just upstream them all?
[19:48] <BUGabundo> humm for 4.x yes
[19:48] <xteejx> what about 3.x then? sorry i'm a bit confused
[19:48] <BUGabundo> you can check bugs.k.o for old 3.x bugs and see if they were fixed
[19:48] <BUGabundo> and if kub devs want to patch it
[19:49] <xteejx> ahh ok i'll have a look
[19:49] <xteejx> thanks BUGabundo
[19:49] <BUGabundo> xteejx: again, please try to get a more definitive answer from kubuntu devs
[19:49] <BUGabundo> don't take my word for it
[19:49] <xteejx> about the support for 3.x you mean?
[19:50] <BUGabundo> but from I know upstream will not support 3.x
[20:03] <xteejx> BUGabundo, it looks like you were right, KDE 3.5 is obsolete, not at all supported by then
[20:03] <BUGabundo1> eheh
[20:03] <BUGabundo1> told you so
[20:04] <xteejx> damn, so everyones pretty much gotta go to jaunty then!?
[20:04] <BUGabundo1> xteejx: I had the please of co-organizing Tokamak (a Plasma summit) and be with 16 core devs
[20:04] <BUGabundo1> I should know what I'm talking about eheh
[20:04] <BUGabundo1> xteejx: no. just PPA and kde4 for bigger support
[20:04] <BUGabundo1> anything else, it's a question of our devs to backport fixes
[20:05] <xteejx> unlikely then...
[20:05] <xteejx> won't it be hard to backport fixes from KDE4 to 3.5, I thought the codebase was completely different?
[20:07] <BUGabundo1> very much so
[20:08] <xteejx> I'm just trying to work out a nice way of saying "we can't support KDE 3.5 well, as the KDE project don't either" lol
[20:09] <xteejx> bug 139850 I'm looking at - I don't even have KDE/Kubuntu to test it :(
[20:09] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 139850 in ppp "kppp can`t in system tray when reconnect" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/139850
[20:09] <xteejx> but these bugs are so old, they need cleared out!
[20:09] <BUGabundo1> too many Won't Fix I see in your Future
[20:09] <xteejx> psychic abilities ;) lol
[20:12] <xteejx> BUGabundo1, How should I triage bug 139850?
[20:12] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 139850 in ppp "kppp can`t in system tray when reconnect" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/139850
[20:17] <xteejx> Think I'll stock response it, probably the best way I think
[20:18] <BUGabundo1> put it in the wiki
[20:19] <BUGabundo1> so it can be revised and improved
[20:19] <BUGabundo1> you made a few english errors
[20:19] <BUGabundo1> on your 1st try
[20:21] <xteejx> BUGabundo, I AM English lol
[20:22] <BUGabundo1> humm
[20:22] <BUGabundo1> guess it was a typo
[20:22] <BUGabundo1> dinner
[20:22] <BUGabundo1> bbl
[20:26] <xteejx> I don't know how to edit the wiki, can someone do that for me, and put the following into the Bug/Responses page: "Thank you for reporting this bug and helping to make Ubuntu better. Unfortunately, due to the release of KDE4 there is no official support from the KDE Project. Therefore we would like to request that you upgrade to 9.04 (Jaunty Jackalope) onwards so that we can provide full support for you. Note that some fixes/package upd
[20:27] <YoBoY> xteejx: you only need to login to edit
[20:28] <xteejx> YoBoY, I'm unfamiliar with editing the wiki and don't want to mess it up, I'd rather someone else done it so it doesn't get messed up.
[20:30] <xteejx> If anyone is available to do that, I'd appreciate it.
[21:02] <pace_t_zulu> anyone have problems w/ firefox languages?
[21:10] <BUGabundo> pace_t_zulu: not me
[21:10] <BUGabundo> using 3.6
[21:11] <pace_t_zulu> BUGabundo, 3.6? i think you mean 3.5...
[21:11] <BUGabundo> Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2a1pre) Gecko/20090529 Ubuntu/9.10 (karmic) Minefield/3.6a1pre ID:20090529181547
[21:11] <pace_t_zulu> BUGabundo, did you see i'm following you on identi.ca?
[21:11] <BUGabundo> you have to learnt to believe me
[21:11] <BUGabundo> and that I'm cutting edge extremist
[21:11] <pace_t_zulu> BUGabundo, could have been a typo
[21:12] <BUGabundo> ;)
[21:12] <BUGabundo> I'm Perfect! I don't do typus
[21:12] <pace_t_zulu> so which deb are you running? granparadiso?
[21:12] <BUGabundo> pace_t_zulu: no, I don't remember seeing you on identica
[21:12] <BUGabundo> firefox daily PP
[21:12] <BUGabundo> *PPA
[21:13] <pace_t_zulu> BUGabundo, i'm "jhaitas" on identi.ca ... and on launchpad for that matter
[21:13] <pace_t_zulu> BUGabundo, could you pass along a link to the PPA?
[21:13] <BUGabundo> ping me... so I can back follow
[21:13] <BUGabundo> google would be quicker ;)
[21:14] <BUGabundo> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-mozilla-daily/ppa/ubuntu karmic main
[21:14] <BUGabundo> pong
[21:14] <BUGabundo> ahhh I remember now....
[21:15] <bencrisford> pace_t_zulu: Follow me on identi.ca too :D :P
[21:15] <BUGabundo> didn't associated the nick to here
[21:15] <BUGabundo> bencrisford: *NEVER* ask that
[21:15] <BUGabundo> that makes you sound needie!!
[21:15] <bencrisford> I am needie!
[21:15] <bencrisford> I was joking anyway
[21:16] <bencrisford> *DONT* follow me on identi.ca pace_t_zulu!  WHATEVER YOU DO!!!!
[21:16] <bencrisford> BUGabundo: better :P?
[21:16] <pace_t_zulu> BUGabundo, i suddenly want to follow this guy bencrisford
[21:17] <bencrisford> dont you dare pace_t_zulu!
[21:17] <BUGabundo> ahah
[21:17] <bencrisford> >:
[21:17] <BUGabundo> lets block him
[21:17]  * bencrisford weeps :(
[21:18] <BUGabundo> just kidding! I don't block! I flood!
[21:19] <BUGabundo> check out my denticator stats
[21:19] <BUGabundo> http://www.macno.org/denticator.php?user=bugabundo&weekchart=bar&daychart=bar
[21:19] <pace_t_zulu> BUGabundo, what does firefox 3.6 have that 3.5 doesn't?
[21:19] <BUGabundo> now compare that to most other users that are in this room
[21:19] <BUGabundo> more? I would say less.... less supported addons
[21:19] <BUGabundo> lol
[21:20] <dupondje> bencrisford:  my Audacious worked :) its in my PPA now :D
[21:20] <BUGabundo> new js engine, a bit faster, new Tab changer
[21:20] <Pfiffer> Is it still called Gran Paradiso? That just seemed really pretentious to me.
[21:21] <bencrisford> dupondje: Nice :D!  Well done :)
[21:21] <BUGabundo> Minefield
[21:21] <Pici> iirc Its Shiretoko now.  They're named after parks.
[21:21] <BUGabundo> Pici: no. that's 3.5
[21:21] <BUGabundo> 3.6 is minefiled
[21:21] <pace_t_zulu> BUGabundo, is it relatively stable?
[21:22] <Pici> Minefield is always the lasest version, they have specific codenames for each milestone release.
[21:22] <BUGabundo> you are asking a cutting edge guy if a pre alpha1 app is stable?
[21:22] <BUGabundo> sure... no less then 3.5 or 3.0 for me
[21:22] <dupondje> now it should go into Karmic ;)
[21:22] <pace_t_zulu> haha
[21:22] <BUGabundo> dupondje: it won't
[21:22] <BUGabundo> release milestones are for febuary 2010
[21:22] <pace_t_zulu> dupondje, 3.5 is going into karmic
[21:23] <BUGabundo> dupondje: maybe, just maybe in universe or something
[21:23] <dupondje> pace_t_zulu:  was talking about Audacious :)
[21:23] <Pici> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firefox#Release_history
[21:23] <BUGabundo> but since fta keeps a bunch of *active* ppas for then, I see no trouble
[21:23] <pace_t_zulu> dupondje, sorry
[21:23] <dupondje> np :D
[21:24] <dupondje> FTA ? :)
[21:24] <BUGabundo> soon it should take its oficial name, namoroka
[21:24] <BUGabundo> Fabien
[21:24] <BUGabundo> he and asac are the core mozilla team on Ubuntu
[21:27] <pace_t_zulu> fta and asac are also the chromium team
[21:27] <BUGabundo> true
[21:28] <pace_t_zulu> BUGabundo, using 3.6 doesn't fix the language pack issue... it is still en-GB... should be en-US
[21:28] <BUGabundo> is it filed?
[21:28] <pace_t_zulu> there are a lot of bugs filed about it... i'm just wondering where the setting comes from so that i can change it
[21:29] <pace_t_zulu> the bugs elude to it..
[21:30] <BUGabundo1> so I got disconected on "is it filed?"
[21:31] <pace_t_zulu> BUGabundo, there are a lot of bugs filed about language and firefox
[21:31] <pace_t_zulu> BUGabundo, none of them describe my exact issue
[21:31] <BUGabundo1> do you have a link ?
[21:31] <BUGabundo1> ahh ok
[21:31] <BUGabundo1> then file a new one
[21:31] <BUGabundo1> eheh
[21:32] <pace_t_zulu> BUGabundo, the closest i found is lp # 320266
[21:32] <pace_t_zulu> #320266
[21:32] <pace_t_zulu> launchpad 320266
[21:32] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 320266 in firefox-3.0 "Firefox spellchecker is not honoring the native language support specified in the Firefox configuration" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/320266
[21:32] <BUGabundo1> bug 320266
[21:32] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 320266 in firefox-3.0 "Firefox spellchecker is not honoring the native language support specified in the Firefox configuration" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/320266
[21:32] <pace_t_zulu> there we go\
[21:33] <pace_t_zulu> i nominated it for Karmic
[21:33] <BUGabundo1> eheh
[21:33] <BUGabundo1> we won't support 3.0 on karmic
[21:33] <BUGabundo1> LOL
[21:34] <pace_t_zulu> BUGabundo, i realize... but this really a *firefox* issue that shouldn't really be affected by version number
[21:40] <dupondje> when 8.10 came out, there were like updates every week
[21:40] <dupondje> and now it didn't update a single package since release almost :p
[21:40] <pace_t_zulu> BUGabundo, you there?
[21:40] <BUGabundo1> yep
[21:40] <BUGabundo1> eheh
[21:40] <BUGabundo1> why ask?
[21:40] <pace_t_zulu> BUGabundo, i added a screenshot to bug 320266
[21:40] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 320266 in firefox-3.0 "Firefox spellchecker is not honoring the native language support specified in the Firefox configuration" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/320266
[21:40] <BUGabundo1> there is a reason for backlogs
[21:41] <pace_t_zulu> BUGabundo, what's that comment about backlogs mean?
[21:46] <BUGabundo1> LOLOL
[21:46] <BUGabundo1> pace_t_zulu: I meant IRC backlogs
[21:46] <pace_t_zulu> BUGabundo, were you talking to me?
[21:47] <BUGabundo1> yes pace_t_zulu
[21:49] <pace_t_zulu> BUGabundo1, i'm not following... i suppose it is not something i should worry about
[21:51] <BUGabundo> nvm then
[22:05] <pace_t_zulu> later guys
[22:51] <kklimonda> *how* is disabled rm -rf / ?
[22:53] <jmarsden> kklimonda: disabled from whom... users with root privs?  That could be hard to do...  protecting yourself from accidents... you could script an rm command that checks whether it is rm'in / and refuses to do that, I suppose.
[22:55] <BUGabundo> alias ?
[22:55] <BUGabundo> alias rm='echo NO'
[22:55] <kklimonda> jmarsden: I remember someone saying that rm -rf / in Ubuntu doesn't work
[22:56] <BUGabundo> FAKE
[22:56] <BUGabundo> or actually
[22:56] <BUGabundo> try
[22:56] <BUGabundo> *true
[22:56] <jmarsden> BUGabundo: Then you can't rm myjunkfile :)
[22:56] <BUGabundo> it will only remove $HOME
[22:56] <BUGabundo> sudo rm -rf /
[22:56] <BUGabundo> will remove all data
[22:57] <kmdm> alias rm="rm -I" ?
[22:57] <BUGabundo> hehe
[22:57] <BUGabundo> I've done that here
[22:58] <BUGabundo> $ grep rm .bashrc
[22:58] <BUGabundo> alias rm='rm -iv'
[22:59] <jmarsden> BUGabundo: I think Fedora, RHEL and friends do that by default, or used to... always annoyed me :)
[22:59] <kklimonda> kklimonda@vm-karmic:~$ sudo rm -rf /
[22:59] <kklimonda> rm: cannot remove root directory `/'
[22:59] <kklimonda> and now - how is it done? :P
[22:59] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: really ???
[22:59] <BUGabundo> LOL
[23:00] <kklimonda> I see it isn't done in coreutils
[23:00] <kmdm> hm, that's odd. The manpage indicates it should be...
[23:00] <kmdm>        --preserve-root
[23:00] <kmdm>               do not remove ‘/’ (default)
[23:00] <kklimonda> whoa, actually it is
[23:01] <kklimonda> i forgot to unpack source :D
[23:09] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: a guy on identica says it works on 8.10
[23:09] <xteejx> I'm trying to file an upstream bug against "Add/Remove Applications" - I can't find gnome-app-install on their bugtracker, what's it under?
[23:10] <BUGabundo> actually 8.04
[23:10] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/bugs/174283
[23:10] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 174283 in coreutils "rm does not preserve root by default" [Wishlist,Fix released]
[23:10] <kklimonda> it was fixed in 8.10
[23:11] <BUGabundo> ahaha
[23:11] <kklimonda> hggdh says "This is now the default behaviour of 'rm' on Intrepid (and, it seems, on Hardy, since both package coreutils 6.10):"
[23:11] <kklimonda> but it may not be fixed in 8.04 as it seems to be ubuntu specific change to enable --preserve-root by default
[23:11] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: how did you follow his reply so fast?
[23:12] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: whose?
[23:12] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: cryzed
[23:12] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: i use gwibber but I'm not sure if it answers your question :D
[23:12] <BUGabundo> it doesn't
[23:13] <kklimonda> so please elaborate ;)
[23:13] <xteejx> anyone?
[23:13] <BUGabundo> he replyed to me, not to any group
[23:13] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: He also replied to me
[23:13] <BUGabundo> xteejx: wrong name
[23:13] <BUGabundo> ahh I missed that!
[23:13] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: ^^
[23:13] <xteejx> BUGabundo, what do i put it under in gnome bugzilla?
[23:13] <BUGabundo> xteejx: can't remember the proper name for it
[23:14] <xteejx> i done xprop, it told me gnome-app-install :(
[23:14] <kklimonda> xteejx: isn't it a LP project?
[23:14] <xteejx> I don't know
[23:16] <kakemann> https://launchpad.net/gnome-app-install
[23:18] <xteejx> kakemann, hehe ok - that's that one answered :)
[23:18] <kakemann> :)
[23:20] <bencrisford> X.org = xorg-server right?
[23:20] <bencrisford> in lp
[23:20] <bencrisford> because i wasnt sure what package it is
[23:30] <bencrisford> !info xorg-server
[23:30] <ubot4> bencrisford: Package xorg-server does not exist in jaunty
[23:30] <bencrisford> !info xorg
[23:30] <ubot4> bencrisford: xorg (source: xorg): X.Org X Window System. In component main, is optional. Version 1:7.4~5ubuntu18 (jaunty), package size 1 kB, installed size 24 kB
[23:31] <BUGabundo> humm
[23:31] <BUGabundo> don't you want xserver-xorg ?
[23:31] <bencrisford> :/
[23:31] <bencrisford> in lp all i can find is
[23:32] <bencrisford> xorg-server
[23:32] <bencrisford> and some other stuff
[23:32] <bencrisford> maybe xorg-server is the source package?