[02:05] <Pici> I dont understand why people continue to treat #ubuntu+1 like a chat channel and get pissy when we ask them to stop, but never join -offtopic?
[02:06] <Pici> s/?/./
[02:24] <ikonia> bugabundo again
[02:24] <ikonia> ?
[02:24] <ikonia> it is
[02:24] <ikonia> fine, I'm muting him
[02:24] <ikonia> he's been warned enough
[02:24] <ikonia> and he "knew" it was offtopic
[02:27] <ikonia> BUGabundo: thanks for joining
[02:27] <BUGabundo> np ikonia
[02:27] <BUGabundo> link again?
[02:27] <BUGabundo> yeah I should know better
[02:28] <BUGabundo> sorry
[02:28] <ikonia> it's beyond that now
[02:28] <ikonia> how many times have you been asked
[02:28] <ikonia> I've lost count
[02:28] <ikonia> you KNOW you're doing it, that's what's starting to become insulting 
[02:28] <BUGabundo> no it not
[02:28] <ikonia> it is
[02:28] <BUGabundo> I don't do it to make ppl andry
[02:28] <ikonia> you keep been given more time to stop it
[02:29] <ikonia> and you keep throwing it back by doing it and know you're doing it
[02:29] <BUGabundo> I'm just talking to some other friends on the #
[02:29] <ikonia> it's not the right channel - and you know it
[02:29] <BUGabundo> but its where my bets buds are
[02:29] <ikonia> it doesn't matter
[02:29] <BUGabundo> but you are right
[02:29] <BUGabundo> no the smarter thing to do
[02:29] <ikonia> I know I'm right - you know you're right, you've been asked to stop, you've been told to stop ?
[02:29] <ikonia> what's next? 
[02:29] <Pici> Its not a discussion channel. You're free to create your own channel or join #ubuntu-offtopic
[02:30] <BUGabundo> but it has been so calm this week due to uds
[02:30] <ikonia> it doesn't matter
[02:30] <ikonia> and you've been told that
[02:30] <BUGabundo> I'm not the only one to ask to relax a bit in there
[02:30] <ikonia> it doesn't matter
[02:30] <ikonia> this has been made clear to you many times before
[02:31] <ikonia> I'm struggling to know how to get this through to you ?
[02:31] <BUGabundo> me too
[02:31] <BUGabundo> believe me
[02:32] <ikonia> I'm more frustrated that you are now an ubuntu member and acting under an ubuntu cloak yet constantly disrespecting the rules
[02:32] <BUGabundo> I have on intention on bending the rules
[02:32] <ikonia> yet you keep doing it time after time
[02:32] <BUGabundo> I just tend to go OT easy enough
[02:32] <BUGabundo> but was always I try to be better
[02:32] <ikonia> I think you should take a break from the channel to be honest
[02:32] <ikonia> you don't seem to respond to other requests, 
[02:32] <BUGabundo> I don't but you have the power over that
[02:33] <BUGabundo> sure I do...
[02:33] <BUGabundo> I even call other ppl attention to OT
[02:33] <ikonia> you don't - or this conversation would not happen 
[02:33] <BUGabundo> when they start it
[02:33] <BUGabundo> and many time I take it other place
[02:33] <ikonia> most of the time you don't
[02:34] <BUGabundo> never counted them
[02:34] <ikonia> I suggest you take a week out of the channel to think about how you can best control yourself
[02:34] <BUGabundo> you should know I try to be a nice guy
[02:34] <BUGabundo> I just like to talk...
[02:34] <ikonia> everyone slips up - so no-one is picking up on that, but you do it persistantly
[02:34] <BUGabundo> but again that's not the place for it
[02:34] <BUGabundo> a week??
[02:34] <BUGabundo> after UDS?
[02:34] <ikonia> yes
[02:34] <ikonia> yes
[02:34] <BUGabundo> that's just mean to me
[02:34] <ikonia> no
[02:35] <ikonia> thats taking time to consider how you can stop persistantly flaunting the rules of the channel
[02:35] <BUGabundo> please don't
[02:35] <BUGabundo> I can be better
[02:35] <ikonia> you've been given requests, then warnings, so now I feel time to reflect is the best approach 
[02:36] <BUGabundo> can't I be put on trial basis, after this call for attention ?
[02:36] <ikonia> you've been on multiple trial situations
[02:36] <ikonia> you keep doing it - hence why you're here
[02:36] <ikonia> again
[02:36] <BUGabundo> and so many other users there
[02:36] <ikonia> so ?
[02:36] <BUGabundo> its not like its just me
[02:36] <ikonia> you're responsible for your own behaviour
[02:36] <BUGabundo> I know
[02:36] <ikonia> no - it's not just you, but others tend to stop when prompted
[02:37] <BUGabundo> so do I
[02:37] <ikonia> no
[02:37] <ikonia> you stop for a short period and start up - and we have the conversation again 
[02:37] <ikonia> so lets take a week out of the channel to consider how you can better control yourself and learn where the other chat channels are
[02:38] <ikonia> I am genuinly sorry to push this like this as I do appreciate how keen you are, but I feel this is the only way to get your attention to control yourself
[02:39] <ikonia> drop back in a week's time, and we'll chat about this again futher 
[02:39] <BUGabundo> I don't... but I can show proof of that
[02:39] <ikonia> this is not up for debate as I can show proof that you have been persistantly warned by multiple operators and are still doing it
[02:42] <BUGabundo> bye
[02:42] <ikonia> BUGabundo: thanks for joining when requested, it's appreciated, and I should have checked you where active before forwarding you here
[02:42] <BUGabundo> np
[02:42] <BUGabundo> I are to accostum to ppl being remoted connect
[02:42] <ikonia> ok, thank you
[02:42] <BUGabundo> I on the other hand am here, when my nick is there
[02:43] <BUGabundo> once again
[02:43] <BUGabundo> see you in a few (long) days
[02:43] <ikonia> yup
[02:43] <BUGabundo> if by any change decide to shorten it, let me know
[02:43] <ikonia> ok
[02:43]  * BUGabundo removing autojoin
[02:44] <ikonia> you can leave the autojoin in place - it's a ban not a forward so won't cause any problem
[02:44] <ikonia> @mark #ubuntu+1 BUGabundo again offtopic - run out of warnings banned for a week to think it over anyone is free to remove sooner if they feel he's grasped that it's not his chat channel
[05:32] <elky> he really doesnt know how to listen to other people, does he...
[06:04]  * genii checks to see if more coffee needs to be made
[07:03]  * genii sips
[08:50] <jussi01> mrgh... head hurts...
[08:50] <Myrtti> too much sports drink?
[08:50] <Myrtti> :-D
[08:50] <jussi01> Myrtti: yeah...
[08:51] <Myrtti> JUSSI CHEER UP! SUN SHINES AND LIFE IS MERRY!
[08:51] <jussi01> sports drink *g*
[08:51] <jussi01> shush you
[08:51]  * Myrtti toots a horn by jussi01s ear
[08:51] <Myrtti> *TOOOOOOOT*
[08:51] <jussi01> even thinking about it hurts...
[08:51] <Myrtti> I knew it ^____^
[08:52]  * Myrtti gives jussi01 a pint of coffee and another of bilberry soup and few painkillers
[08:52] <Myrtti> I should reinstall my other laptop
[08:52] <Myrtti> thing is being silly on me
[09:25] <jussi01> hrm, that was short hangover.... *hugs* hangover cure :)
[09:25] <Myrtti> bilberry soup ♥ 
[12:27] <Myrtti> I want to slap snowkitty
[12:27] <bazhang> yeap
[13:09] <jussi01> yay for annoying guy in -ot...
[13:09] <bazhang> and in #u
 I'm using Linux Mint 6, ubuntu/debian variant :>
[13:16] <jussi01> @bansearch X8SanguineRoseX
[13:17] <bazhang> perfect storm of annoyingness in -ot now
[13:41] <Myrtti> @bansearch Batch 
[13:41] <Myrtti> "oops"
[13:41] <bazhang> nasty comment before parting in #u
[13:41] <bazhang> or being parted 
[13:43] <elky> another ryan. why cant we get *normal* ryans?
[13:44] <Myrtti> the same reason we can't get *normal* Aussies... *hides*
[13:44] <elky> yeah, but we're a *better* kind of not normal.
[13:44]  * Myrtti counts the bans on .au tld
[13:47]  * elky *loves* getting the -ot crowd to extend bans for her :D
[13:52] <Batch> NIGGERSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
[13:52] <Batch> WAT
[13:52] <Myrtti> fun!
[13:52] <elky> someone's ban just got extended to a month.
[13:52] <Myrtti> "oops"
[13:52] <elky> how do i mark again?
[13:53] <bazhang> didnt plan to remove in 24 hrs from #ubuntu at any rate
[13:53] <Myrtti> (meow) <nick> markitymark
[13:53] <bazhang> use @mark channel nick
[13:53] <Myrtti> oops
[13:53] <Myrtti> (meow)mark <channel> <nick> markitymark
[13:53] <bazhang> err @mark #channel nick
[13:54] <elky> @mark #ubuntu-ops Batch Do not lift bans for this twit for at least 28 days from now.
[13:55]  * elky notes the aprilhare entries...
[13:56] <Batch> ohai guise.
[13:56] <bazhang> hi Batch 
[13:56] <Batch> Sup?
[13:56] <Myrtti> nothing much, just extended your ban a bit
[13:56] <Myrtti> and you?
[13:56] <Batch> i herd u liek to b& so i put a B& in your B& :<
[13:56] <bazhang> ?
[13:56] <Batch> ISeriously though.
[13:57] <elky> Batch, your ban now lasts a whole month. please return then, and *not* before.
[13:57] <Batch> WOuld like to protest the ban
[13:57] <bazhang> for -ot
[13:57] <Batch> Really, Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
[13:57] <elky> speak english please.
[13:58] <bazhang> as you are on mint, no reason to let you back in #ubuntu
[13:58] <Batch> I had legitimate questions.
[13:58] <Batch> I didn't get answered
[13:58] <Batch> So i got bored etc
[13:58] <Batch> :>
[13:58] <bazhang> that and the incessant offtopic/trolling
[13:58] <Batch> I didn't troll :<
[13:58] <Batch> 0/10 liek liek
[13:58] <elky> Batch, please go away and return in a month's time. Not before.
[13:58] <Batch> BUT
[13:58] <Batch> BUT
[13:58] <Batch> TBUT
[13:59] <Batch> Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
[13:59] <elky> i have no idea what he's saying...
[13:59] <bazhang> he is just a time wasting troll.
[13:59] <elky> i figured. i at least like my trolls to say amusing things, not garble.
[14:07] <Batch> Hay
[14:07] <Batch> Unb& already?
[14:07] <Batch> :>
[14:07] <Batch> :<
[14:07] <Batch> Meanie.
[14:07] <Batch> lulz
[14:07] <Myrtti> go away, come back in a month
[14:08] <Myrtti> kthx
[14:08] <Batch> I won't though.
[14:08] <Batch> :<
[14:08] <Myrtti> plz?
[14:09] <Batch> nowai
[14:09] <Batch> doitfgt
[14:09] <Batch> kline me nig
[14:09] <Myrtti> have it your way then, I'll ban you from here as well
[14:09] <Myrtti> heads up for that one
[14:10] <Myrtti> is someone thinking about what to say to compengi at -irc?
[14:10] <Myrtti> elky?
[14:11] <Myrtti> thx
[16:51] <Myrtti> !-search troll
[16:51] <bazhang> he/she was in earlier and had some very nasty message before quitting
[16:51] <bazhang> ie beehive
[18:20] <bazhang> LaserJock, hi
[18:20] <LaserJock> I got a note from Pici to drop by to discuss bots in #edubuntu
[18:20] <bazhang> he seems to be afk
[18:36] <Myrtti> I was there though - let me look up the logs
[18:37] <Myrtti> LaserJock: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2009/05/28/%23ubuntu-ops.html
[18:37] <LaserJock> Myrtti: about what time?
[18:37] <Myrtti> we noticed the other day that bencrisford had started up couple of bots that were running on #edubuntu
[18:38] <LaserJock> ah yes
[18:38] <Myrtti> LaserJock: starting from 16:49
[18:38] <LaserJock> an excited new contributor
[18:38] <Myrtti> so we figured
[18:39] <Myrtti> he did take them off when asked, but was just wondering your "official" opinion about them, as the general guideline about the bots is, that the official bots the IRC team and Canonical provide should be enough
[18:39] <Myrtti> s/was/we were/
[18:40] <LaserJock> well
[18:40] <LaserJock> if he came up with something useful I was going to maybe ask for it
[18:40] <LaserJock> there are some things that I'd like to see from a bot that I don't think we currently have
[18:40] <LaserJock> *but* the bots he did were not very useful and just spammed the channel
[18:40] <Myrtti> indeed
[18:41] <LaserJock> I was kinda trying to get him to tone it down in a nice way :-)
[18:42] <Myrtti> anyways, we do have the special bot task force as well, so if you have some requests about the bots, we can look what we can do
[18:42] <LaserJock> ok
[18:42] <LaserJock> can you do channel-specific things at all?
[18:43] <Myrtti> yes
[18:43] <Myrtti> !offtopic-#ubuntu-offtopic
[18:43] <Myrtti> !offtopic
[18:43] <Myrtti> for example factoids
[18:44] <LaserJock> I was hoping to get some channel specific package information
[18:45] <LaserJock> !info gcompris
[18:45] <Myrtti> what kind to be exact?
[18:45] <LaserJock> like for ^^ I don't want the description, I want the current Debian unstable version
[18:46] <Myrtti> hmmmm
[18:46] <LaserJock> edubuntu has ~ 30 packages that it takes care of, we know what packages are what :-)
[18:46] <LaserJock> we just want to get better info
[18:46] <LaserJock> it's quite wishlist, I just wondered
[18:46] <Myrtti> !info gcompris foo
[18:47] <Myrtti> ok, so it doesn't have those enabled, and I'm not sure if they should be enabled by default either...
[18:47]  * Myrtti pokes jussi01 
[18:47] <LaserJock> I wonder if there is a way to have like a info-dev command
[18:47] <LaserJock> the info command is nice for general usage
[18:48] <jussi01> we can add debian repos no issue
[18:48] <LaserJock> but developers are very likely to not need the description and priority
[18:48] <LaserJock> but they're likely to want more version info
[18:49] <jussi01> LaserJock: if you have specific requests, please file a bug and we will attempt to make it happened
[18:49] <LaserJock> ok cool, it was just a "hmm, it'd be handy if" thing.
[18:50] <jussi01> LaserJock: exactly, most of what you are saying can be done fairly easily, we just need to be informed of what you want
[18:50] <jussi01> hence we need the bug
[18:53] <jussi01> !bug | LaserJock
[18:55] <topyli> wishlist bugs are bugs too :)
[18:55] <Myrtti> "if it doesn't work as you expect it to, it's a bug"
[18:56] <Myrtti> QOTD: Paul Sladen
[19:14] <topyli> +1
[19:28] <TheFunkbomb> Good news everyone, now I can't connect to #ubuntu either
[19:30] <Mamarok> why am I not astonished?
[19:31] <Myrtti> he's in #ubuntu?
[19:31] <Mamarok> well, he seems not to be anymore
[19:32]  * Mamarok is never in #ubuntu
[19:32] <Myrtti> hrm
[19:37] <Myrtti> @mark #ubuntu Kraft kb him, if further problems arise
[20:26] <Myrtti> ok, please, quick, someone remind me why I'm on #ubuntu-uk
[20:26] <popey> :(
[20:26] <popey> wassup?
[20:27] <popey> not been paying attention
[20:27] <Myrtti> brobostigon is being an ass, and the other idiots don't notice and let it happen
[20:27] <Myrtti> he did say he's sorry, but I'm not holding my breath on him understanding it
[20:27] <Daviey> :o
[20:28]  * popey hits page up for a bit
[20:28] <popey> ugh, didnt see that, sorry
[20:28] <Myrtti> I'm not sure I want to give the whole channel a lesson on how to not make women feel uncomfortable
[20:29] <popey> What would you like to see happen?
[20:29] <popey> I have ideas in mind, but I flat out don't know the best approach
[20:30] <Myrtti> hmmm
[20:30] <Daviey> I have to agree, he clearly wasn't attempting to "troll", and he is a reg' - and we don't normally see that
[20:31] <popey> he has issues
[20:31] <popey> I doubt he speaks to many people in his own life
[20:31] <Myrtti> Daviey: that's not a unique incident
[20:32] <Myrtti> that's just the top of the iceberg, and I've just about had it
[20:32] <Daviey> Myrtti: If you have some log extracts.. we can have a word, if that helps?
[20:32] <Myrtti> hold on
[20:33] <jussi01> thefunkbomb had dcc exploit problems iirc
[20:34] <popey> Myrtti: sorry it's not been addressed previously
[20:35] <Daviey> Sometimes it's hard to spot, without the usual explicatives.. However raising the issue does help.
[20:36] <Myrtti> popey: I've just swallowed it and hoped I'd personally know how to handle it
[20:37] <popey> I'm having a word with him
[20:38] <Myrtti> he's nice enough guy, but I just don't know how to handle it
[20:38] <Myrtti> what bothers me more is that nobody else said that he was out of line this time
[20:39] <Myrtti> which means that either they're used to him saying things like that (BAD) or they don't care (BAD) or they found it funny (BAD)
[20:40] <Daviey> I honestly didn't notice it.. note that there were only a couple of people active at that moment
[20:40] <Daviey> we aren't all bad :)
[20:41] <Myrtti> Daviey: you weren't active there, neither was popey, so I'm not counting you in
[20:41] <Myrtti> I'm talking about the people that were actively participating in the convo
[20:41] <Daviey> sure
[20:45] <Myrtti> he's been picking me as a test subject for his irssi translation plugin - so he translates stuff like "pours some red wine for Myrtti" to Finnish and all. It is a bit creepy
[20:46] <popey> he tends to "scp coffee to *" a lot
[20:47] <popey> I suspect he's quite a lonely guy
[20:47] <Myrtti> did feel a bit weird seeing http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/free/2009/04/05/%23ubuntu-uk.html in my backlog one morning
[20:47] <popey> which whilst it doesn't _excuse_ his behaviour, it goes a long way to explaining it
[20:47] <Myrtti> yup
[20:47] <Myrtti> I know he's a good guy, he just hasn't read the howto and doesn't know how to deal with a female being vocal on such a channel
[20:48] <Myrtti> it's sad to say this, but I hope he'd treat me as one of the guys, with no special treatment, and leave the gender slurs outside
[20:49]  * popey is having a word
[20:51]  * Myrtti goes to get some apple juice and to knit a bit to unwind
[20:53] <Daviey> Myrtti: fancy making me a tank top?
[20:53]  * popey unwinds Myrttis knitting, Tom & Jerry style
[20:54] <Daviey> ACME TNT
[20:54] <Myrtti> Daviey: I'm not allowed to purchase, steal, acquire or receive donations of yarn
[20:54] <Daviey> suits me.. means i get it free \o/
[20:54] <Myrtti> Daviey: which means I don't have any yarn to use on knitting a tank top
[20:55] <Daviey> !
[20:55] <Daviey> This is a problem
[20:55] <Daviey> I could "lend" you some yarn?
[20:55] <Myrtti> I've got about 20kg of yarn - which I should knit before getting more. Sadly for you, they're all the kind you *REALLY* don't want a tank top of
[20:56] <Myrtti> keeping in mind I'm planning to move to UK and all... might need to start offshoring some of my stash to mums
[21:01] <Daviey> Myrtti: you'd be suprised what i'd wear :)
[21:01] <popey> yeah!
[21:27] <Gary> is valix a known?
[21:27] <Pici> I don't think so...
[21:28]  * Pici looks
[21:28] <Gary> thanks Pici 
[21:28] <Myrtti> he asked in -irc for an ubuntu cloak
[21:28] <Pici> nothing in the bantracker for that nick
[21:28] <Myrtti> as a member of ubuntu italian marketing
[21:28] <Gary> he just got a unaffiliated cloak, and gr00ber suggested he is a troll
[21:28] <Myrtti> asked him about ubuntu membership and launchpad page, didn't respond, left.
[21:29] <Pici> gr00ber's response came off as a troll himself.
[21:29] <Myrtti> I think I might take a time out on -uk for a while
[21:29] <Myrtti> couple of weeks might do me good
[21:32] <Gary> why, whats up with -uk? (apart from us all being nutters)
[21:32] <Myrtti> Gary: I need to concentrate on work more, the work project is drawing to a close, also see backlog
[21:34] <Gary> Daviey: i'd not be suprised
[21:36] <Daviey> \o/
[21:39] <Myrtti> of course I'm not telling anyone I bought 33€ worth of yarn for this shawl last week *cough*
[21:49] <Pici> @login