[00:15] <bruce_> how do I get totem to play regular dvd's ?
[00:15] <bruce_> it plays the  introduction part (prior to dvd menu), then stops with an error message
[00:15] <bruce_> I've freshly installed xubuntu w/ xubuntu restricted packages
[00:16] <knome> what is the error message
[00:16] <bruce_> one sec I will get that
[00:17] <bruce_> knome, an error occured, could not read from source
[00:17] <bruce_> that is after it plays the introduction (39 seconds)
[00:17] <knome> can you play the dvd on any other player or hardware?
[00:19] <cody-somerville> try vlc
[00:19] <knome> cody-somerville, vlc needs qt, so i would not recommend installing it to a xubuntu system for testing only.
[00:20] <cody-somerville> vlc works
[00:20] <knome> so work other players :P
[00:20] <bruce_> vlc ?
[00:20] <knome> vlc is a media player
[00:21] <bruce_> ok I got vlc working, how do I determine where my dvd player is in /dev ?
[00:22] <cody-somerville> the default value in vlc will probably work
[00:22] <bruce_> cody-somerville, no it does not
[00:23] <knome> i'm going to sleep. good night.
[00:23] <cody-somerville> You did Media > Open Disk?
[00:23] <bruce_> yes
[00:23] <bruce_> and tried play, but no luck.
[00:23] <bruce_> so I tried using /dev/scd0 as the disc location but that isn't it either
[00:23] <cody-somerville> has anything ever worked in your dvd drive under Xubuntu?
[00:23] <bruce_> first time trying
[00:23] <bruce_> freshly installed xubuntu
[00:23] <cjae> is there a working driver for 9.04 for ati 9600se card in 9.04 yet?
[00:23] <cody-somerville> Try a normal cd
[00:24] <cjae> is nt /dev/sr0 a sym link too that you can try?
[00:28] <bruce_> cody-somerville, ok, its /dev/sr0, but VLC doesnt play anything either, am I missing a package or something ? I installed xubuntu-restricted-extras
[00:28] <cody-somerville> oh yah
[00:28] <cody-somerville> you need libcss3 or w/e
[00:28] <cody-somerville> !dvd
[00:37] <bruce_> cody-somerville, when movie player first opens it gives me a strange permission error until I go into the menu and hit "play disc"
[00:37] <bruce_> this happens when I put in a regular dvd
[00:40] <bruce_> cody-somerville, it works !!
[00:40] <bruce_> ok,
[00:40] <bruce_> how do I set my default media player in xubuntu-9.04 to vlc instead of totem ?
[00:40] <bruce_> because totem gives me a strange error message about permissions upon startup, but after I hit ok on the error I am able to play the video by going in the menu
[00:41] <cjae> almost the same way as windows bruce_
[00:41] <bruce_> cjae, which is how ? apt-get remove totem ?
[00:41] <cjae> cody-somerville, there is libcss3?
[00:41]  * cody-somerville is going to bed.
[00:42] <cjae> bruce_, under properties
[00:42] <bruce_> cjae, in "default applications" in xfce4-settings, it only has options for firefox and thunderbird, but nothing for dvd's or cd's ect ect
[00:42] <cjae> and the little wrench
[00:42] <cjae> right click the file type in question and click properties
[00:43] <bruce_> cjae, its a regular dvd
[00:43] <cjae> oh
[00:44] <cjae> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Medibuntu
[00:44] <cjae> bruce look at that page quick top to bottom then tell when your done
[00:45] <cjae> it s about five steps you need not do the whole page I ll point you to which ones, but look it over first so it will be easier, bruce_
[00:46] <bruce_> cjae, done
[00:46] <cjae> bruce_, do these steps
[00:46] <bruce_> cjae, I can play the dvd's but would like to set vlc to default instead of totem automatically opening when I put the dvd in the drive
[00:47] <bruce_> ok go
[00:47] <cjae> oh you do have dvd playback
[00:47] <bruce_> yes
[00:47] <bruce_> but instead of using totem can I set it to vlc ?
[00:48] <bruce_> cause totem for some reason gives me an error (doesnt affect anything), but its just annoying
[00:48] <cjae> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-333714.html
[00:48] <bruce_> gives me a strange permission error upon starting totem which automatically pops up when I put in a dvd
[00:50] <cjae> I not on xubuntu right now so I cannot confirm works but should since xfce uses a lot of gtk
[00:50] <cjae> totem suck
[00:50] <cjae> s
[00:50] <cjae> but vlc is in a sad state of affairs as well
[00:50] <cjae> what kind of computer do you have
[00:51] <cjae> is it really old
[00:51] <bruce_> cjae,
[00:51] <cjae> yes
[00:52] <bruce_> ok I got to a part in the help that says to edit /etc/gnome/defaults.list
[00:52] <bruce_> so I opened it, and discovered most of the multimedia is opened with totem.desktop
[00:52] <bruce_> should I just replace totem.desktop to vlc.desktop ?
[00:53] <cjae> one second can you tell me the specs of your machine first
[00:54] <cjae> it doesnt have much to do with you question
[00:54] <cjae> is your machine better than a pIII
[00:55] <cjae> um ok
[00:56] <cjae> bruce_, um having issues?
[00:57] <bruce_> no just edited that file, then reset
[00:57] <bruce_> so I am just going to test the dvd now
[00:57] <cjae> ok
[00:58] <cjae> I would leave totem around just in case you may need it
[00:58] <bruce_> yeah its still installed
[00:58] <bruce_> just would like to make vlc the default
[00:59] <cjae> I leave many players on the system cause I have run into many times that certain files play better in different player plus for the 20 megs max that most things take up...
[01:00] <cjae> -max
[01:00] <bruce_> cjae, ok I changed defaults.list so that instead of having totem.desktop, it has vlc.desktop, but that did nothing totem is still the automatic program
[01:01] <cjae> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=766683&highlight=default+dvd+vlc
[01:02] <cjae> this is another guide like I siad IM not at xubuntu right now
[01:02] <cjae> I ll got to one hang on
[01:06] <cjae_> bruce_,
[01:06] <cjae_> setting manager removable driver and media
[01:06] <cjae_> drives*
[01:06] <bruce_> cjae, lol I just found that
[01:06] <bruce_> duh
[01:08] <cjae_> remember everything under linux has to mounted...any media that can be removed
[01:08] <cjae_> disc, usb drive, etc
[01:09] <cjae_> bruce_, anyway whats the specs of machine?
[01:09] <bruce_> fixed it
[01:09] <cjae_> is it a fairly old box
[01:10] <cjae_> you may like kubuntu better if you have the specs for it
[01:10] <bruce_> no fairly new its a freinds
[01:10] <bruce_> can VLC play audio cd's ?
[01:11] <cjae_> if its new put kubuntu on it
[01:11] <cjae_> yes
[01:11] <cjae_> but there are better players
[01:12] <cjae_> kde 4.2 is pretty good but not quite complete, but I use it for everyday things
[01:12] <cjae_> it looks very much like windows 7 or vista
[01:12] <cjae_> xubuntu is for old boxes and is ugly
[01:12] <bruce_> yeah I don't like that one though xubuntu works 100%
[01:12] <bruce_> except for the audio cd's
[01:13] <bruce_> do I need a package for that or something ?
[01:13] <zigzag71> what media player are you using?
[01:13] <bruce_> zigzag71, vlc
[01:14] <zigzag71> ah I am using rhythmbox
[01:14] <zigzag71> sorry have no experience with VLC
[01:18] <cjae_> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-366491.html
[01:21] <cjae_> type cd player in synaptic playing cds should be quick, so I use small apps to play them cccd xfreecd
[01:22] <cjae_> big sloppy programs just to skip tracks and change discs is dumb
[01:23] <cjae_> unless you into album art from the web when you play a song
[01:24] <cjae_> http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=com.ubuntu%3Aen-US%3Aunofficial&hs=KcC&q=xubuntu+vs+ubuntu+vs+kubuntu&btnG=Search&meta=
[01:24] <cjae_> bruce_,
[01:25]  * cjae_ going off xubuntu box now
[01:51] <bruce__> what would be the best option for ripping audio cd's ?
[01:52] <TheSheep> bruce__: soundjuicer is pretty friendly
[02:05] <R1coch3t> whats better exaile or rythmbox?
[02:06] <TheSheep> R1coch3t: apples and oranges
[02:07]  * TheSheep likes quodlibet
[02:08] <R1coch3t> well ive been using exaile and it seems that the sound is worse when the eq is on, so i was hoping that rythmbox didnt have the same issue
[02:15] <david__> hello
[02:15] <david__> I need some xubuntu help
[02:16] <david__> hello anyone here?
[02:16] <david__> daskjldsfkjl
[02:39] <R1coch3t> no david im not at your beckon call
[03:53] <anom01y> weird I have a strange problem with my panel
[03:53] <anom01y> my task list
[03:55] <anom01y> I have it set to auto-hide (panel with the task list), and when it hides and then is restored again, all the windows on it are shown  larger than they should (longer), then when I click a window in the task list, they shrink to their regular size but do not open the window until I click them again
[04:06] <owen1> when i right click on 'Applications' the 'Xfce Menu' is disabled so i can't edit the menu. how do i enable it? (9.04)
[04:33] <R1cochet> theres no menu editor as far as i know. ive asked the samething
[04:33] <R1cochet> but if u do find 1 plz let me know
[04:33] <owen1> R1cochet: so how do i remove/edit items from xfcemenu?
[04:35] <R1cochet> u cant :(
[04:36] <R1cochet> believe me id love to remove help and about
[04:41] <owen1> R1cochet: i removed it before. someone told me how but i don't remember the exact line.
[04:42] <owen1> basically u neeed to edit the files in xfce4-help.desktop
[04:42] <R1cochet> i knew how in 8.10 it was through xfce settings but its not there anymore
[04:43] <owen1> and xfce4-about-xfce.desktop
[04:43] <owen1> u should add a line at the end: DisplayXXX OFF
[04:43] <owen1> i just can't remember the XXX
[04:44] <owen1> it simply hide whatever u want and it apply it right after saving the file. no need to logout.
[04:55] <rockman> Hi
[04:55] <artistxe> hey
[05:24] <anom01y> !webcam
[05:24] <anom01y> dylan_,  !webcam
[05:24] <anom01y> type that
[05:25] <dylan_> !webcam
[05:50] <anom01y> anyone here know how to get a web cam working ?
[06:15] <Devilsprey99> anyone knows how to use nm-applet0.7 with hardy
[06:22] <anom01y> !webcam
[06:47] <anom01y> anyone here have a logitech messenger web cam ?
[11:00] <Aqa> network monitor speed limiting is not working
[11:54] <ToStItOs> Is there a wrong place to put a PcI USB card in a bad slot in a PC?
[11:56] <ToStItOs> Let me rephrase the question Is there a wrong place to insert a PCI Usb card?
[11:59] <ToStItOs> PCI cards don't need linux drivers do they?
[12:14] <SiDi> ToStItOs, im not sure i get you
[12:14] <SiDi> what is a PCI USB card ? :/
[12:15] <Myrtti> SiDi: there's extension cards that can turn an pci slot to usb ports
[12:15] <SiDi> okey
[12:16] <SiDi> ToStItOs, the kernel should recognise them as it boots, afaik, but i'm a total noob when it's about hardware
[12:37] <kavurt> is anybody able to use Logitech Quickcam for Notebooks Pro on 9.04?
[13:07] <wizo> hey, just one question, let's say i've made major modifications to my apache2 config files and i want them all back to default, can i just uninstall and reinstall apache2 from synaptic package manager?
[13:47] <jmburgess> wizo: I think you need to uninstall with the --purge option
[13:47] <jmburgess> wizo: but I am not sure
[14:22] <wizo> hmm
[15:01] <anom01y> how come none of the cpu graphs for the panel work ?
[15:14] <anom01y> weird, I installed kde and gnome now the panel in xfce doesnt load when you log on
[15:14] <anom01y> I have to manually load xfce4-panel
[15:14] <anom01y> and the desktop icons appear/dissapear as if it is redrawing them every 2 or 3 seconds
[15:55] <SiDi> We can't really say people on this channel leave much time for us to answer :|
[16:46] <Myrtti> SiDi: they are used to #ubuntu being the fast paced thing?
[16:51] <SiDi> yeh probably
[16:51] <SiDi> we can't be as fast with so few people :D
[16:52] <SiDi> at next UDS we'll design a tool to clone community members
[16:52] <SiDi> and users too so we get a big market share :/
[17:43] <anom01y> weird, I installed kde and gnome, now whenever I log into xfce the xfce4-panel does not load..
[17:43] <anom01y> I wonder if I should put xfce4-panel in the autostart applications list
[17:46] <NetLarIrvine> where can I get cli version of ubuntu?
[17:47] <anom01y> are the "launch kde services" and "launch gnome services" important ? what do they do ?
[17:51] <SiDi> anom01y,
[17:51] <SiDi> did you by chance leave compiz running ?
[17:51] <SiDi> NetLarIrvine, do you mean ubuntu server, or the CLI installer (google alternate cd for this)
[17:52] <NetLarIrvine> Well I have a very old low mem pc, do not want it to go to waste
[17:52] <NetLarIrvine> probably the server
[17:52] <NetLarIrvine> Want it to be a file and print server
[17:53] <anom01y> SiDi,
[17:53] <anom01y> yes
[17:54] <anom01y> Compiz was running
[17:55] <anom01y> did that ruin it ?
[17:55] <SiDi> Hm
[17:55] <SiDi> YOu might try to kill it and then load the session ?
[17:56] <anom01y> kill compiz
[17:56] <anom01y> ok I have it in my autostart apps, I will turn it off there then re-login
[17:57] <anom01y> SiDi, btw is the Launch KDE services / Launch GNOME services important  for xubuntu 9.04 ?
[17:58] <anom01y> what services do they launch, and would they conflict with each other and/or xfce4 services ?
[18:02] <anom01y> SiDi, ok that works
[18:02] <SiDi> anom01y, i dont use the services from gnome/kde
[18:02] <anom01y> what services are they ?
[18:02] <SiDi> they're useful, for instance, if you use a GNOME or KDE app that _needs_ them
[18:02] <anom01y> well I use Amarok, thats it though
[18:03] <SiDi> hm, a typical KDE service is DCOP, something a bit like Dbus, only used by KDE
[18:03] <SiDi> really, if you dont use a ton of gnome/kde apps inside of xfce, i think theyre not useful
[18:03] <anom01y> I guess I can turn them off and see if everything I use still works
[18:03] <SiDi> yeh
[18:03] <SiDi> exactly ;)
[18:03] <SiDi> btw, try exaile if you use amarok 1.4
[18:03] <anom01y> ok
[18:03] <anom01y> will do
[18:03] <SiDi> its a bit similar (less features though, but the exaile devs should work a lot this summer)
[18:04] <anom01y> amarok 2 is giant
[18:04] <anom01y> same with every other kde app
[18:04] <anom01y> konqueror used to be good
[18:04] <anom01y> wasn't there a page for recommended applications for xfce ?
[18:05] <anom01y> !recommended
[18:05] <anom01y> hmm
[18:06] <SiDi> use the default ones :)
[18:06] <SiDi> they're the recommanded apps
[18:06] <anom01y> ahh
[18:06] <SiDi> if your pc is more powerful, there are some GNOME apps you can use, too
[18:06] <anom01y> yeah I do
[18:07] <SiDi> for instance, openoffice.org if you can run it
[18:07] <anom01y> thunar, openoffice
[18:07] <SiDi> most of the xubuntu usershave old pcs, but those with recent pcs use more ram-consuming apps :)
[18:07] <SiDi> but the KDE ones will not look sexy in XFCE, and they'll load a lot of libs not loaded by default
[18:09] <anom01y> SiDi,  hey my friend has a logitech messenger webcam he just bought, and for some reason in camorama it does not work, neither kopete
[18:09] <anom01y> but xawtv it does work
[18:10] <anom01y> someone said that xawtv supports both v4l and v4l2
[18:10] <SiDi> hm, i MAY be wrong, but
[18:10] <anom01y> (video for Linux)
[18:10] <SiDi> some apps use the V4L drivers, other use the v4l2
[18:10] <anom01y> we tried VLC, no luck
[18:10] <SiDi> so maybe the logitech cam only supports v4l1 or v4l2
[18:10] <SiDi> try with cheese
[18:10] <SiDi> also, try to install and use easycam, its pretty good
[18:10] <anom01y> its not in the repo's
[18:11] <SiDi> And if you still have no luck, try a karmic livecd, i think they have new webcam drivers for some webcams
[18:11] <SiDi> google it
[18:11] <SiDi> i used easycam on many pcs, its not _dangerous_
[18:12] <anom01y> ok I will try to get easycam going first
[18:13] <anom01y> also.
[18:13] <anom01y> SiDi, is there any way to search for two keywords in synaptic ?
[18:13] <SiDi> I dont know
[18:13] <anom01y> in the old adept_manager, you could add extra filters,
[18:14] <SiDi> i use aptitude search "word 1" | grep "word 2" | grep "word 3" in command line
[18:34] <SiDi> hey JPohlmann :)
[18:34] <JPohlmann> Hey there
[18:35] <SiDi> had a nice flight ?
[18:44] <JPohlmann> Yeah, flight was good except that I was so fucking tired.
[18:47] <Myrtti> *cough*
[18:52] <SiDi> JPohlmann, yesterday's vodka ? :p
[18:53] <JPohlmann> No, just generally tired from the entire week ;)
[19:05] <SiDi> heh
[19:16] <knome> JPohlmann, lol, i just drank way too much rum
[19:16] <knome> i'm totally drunk
[19:16] <knome> my hands are almost numb etc.
[19:18] <Myrtti> good luck with that. Can you keep that discussion elsewhere, it's a bit offtopic.
[19:18] <knome> sorry.
[19:18] <knome> i can :)
[19:44] <aftg> Hello. Can anyone tell me if rox is available for install from the cd? I'm going to install xubuntu on a old, low-spec pc with no internet connection. Opting for xubuntu but will need some desktop icons as the user is an old lady who doesn't know much about linux and therefore need rox for the icons : ).
[19:45] <Myrtti> aftg: even if it doesn't come with the default cd, you can sneakernet the files to the computer quite easily
[19:45] <Myrtti> !aptoncd
[19:47] <aftg> Myrtti: I'm not going to have internet there at all, and don't really want to spend time remastering a cd right now, I'd thought of that : ) Hence the question
[19:48] <aftg> I guess if it doesn't I can go there later and take a remastered cd, for that matter
[19:48] <aftg> Just wanted to check before : )
[19:48] <Myrtti> hmmm
[19:55] <slow-motion> hu
[19:55] <slow-motion> -u+i
[19:56] <SiDi> hi
[19:57] <je||y> are there any caveats i should be given before switching from ubuntu to xubuntu?
[19:57] <SiDi> aftg, got an USB key, either ?
[19:57] <RavenStalker> Lhfcnt
[19:58] <SiDi> je||y, you will be meant to drop Compiz / PulseAudio, you will lose the menu editor and will sometimes have to do some things by hand (graphically, though)
[19:58] <SiDi> Apart from that, your PC will be faster and use less RAM
[19:58] <SiDi> And you'll have a mouse on your wallpaper.
[19:59] <SiDi> because Xubuntu 9.04 is the Jaunty Mouse
[19:59] <SiDi> and 8.04 was the Intrepid Mouse, too
[19:59] <knome> :]
[20:00] <knome> you put it nicely, SiDi :)
[20:00] <SiDi> We should dare do that for karmic
[20:00] <SiDi> for the release post : Karmic Mouse is out !
[20:01] <je||y> what is the menu editor?
[20:01] <je||y> SiDi what is the menu editor?
[20:01] <aftg> SiDi: yeah, but I think its BIOS doesn't support usb boot.
[20:01] <knome> JPohlmann, a tool for editing your applications-menu
[20:01] <SiDi> The editor in GNOME for the menu entries
[20:01] <knome> je||y, i mean
[20:01] <SiDi> knome, :D :D
[20:02] <knome> damn autocomplete.
[20:02] <SiDi> isnt it ? :D
[20:02] <aftg> SiDi: I checked the boot section last time I was there, and it didn't mention usb at all : (
[20:02] <knome> it is. but usually it works. if i'm clear. :P
[20:02] <SiDi> aftg, really an old PC then :/
[20:02] <je||y> where is menu editor in ubuntu
[20:02] <aftg> SiDi: yeah, it's a pII 300mhz, 128 ram I think
[20:03] <SiDi> je||y, its the application named "alacarte"
[20:03] <je||y> what things will i have to do by hand?
[20:03] <SiDi> aftg, i think my PII 233mhz 32MB Ram had a USB 1.1 port
[20:03] <aftg> I still got a pentium MMX too, but that's running bsd for myself : )
[20:03] <SiDi> je||y, editing the menu entries ^^
[20:03] <SiDi> je||y, if you ever edit them, of course.
[20:03] <aftg> SiDi: it has a USB port, just doesn't support usb-boot I think
[20:03] <je||y> where is alacarte?
[20:04] <SiDi> je||y, also, for adding a theme you'll have to extract its content in the .themes/ folder on your own instead of using GNOME appearence's install button
[20:04] <SiDi> je||y, thats all more or less
[20:04] <SiDi> aftg, ah yeh true
[20:04] <SiDi> aftg, edit the bios's binary code, c'mon, lazy ! :P
[20:04] <knome> SiDi, :P
[20:05] <aftg> je||y: if you don't mind doing some things by hand, I think xubuntu is way better than ubuntu. I may be the wrong one to advise, though, I like lightweight WMs.
[20:05] <je||y> how much more lightweight is it??
[20:05] <aftg> SiDi: no can do, to much "monkey coding" to do these next couple days, deadlines don't forgive :D
[20:05] <je||y> and what do you mean "by hand"?
[20:05] <SiDi> je||y, it can run on a P II with tweaking
[20:06] <SiDi> je||y, i mean "right click the theme file, extract in.., and choose .themes/ as a destination"
[20:06] <SiDi> instead of "drag the tar.gz theme into the themes' window"
[20:06] <SiDi> thats more or less the hardest change you'll have to undergo
[20:06] <aftg> je||y: it's way lighter, really. As for "by hand", in my case that means xterm, but I did most stuff in ubuntu in xterm too.. SiDi is giving you some good examples on what, however
[20:07] <SiDi> je||y, its also more responsive :)
[20:07] <je||y> xterm
[20:07] <je||y> ?
[20:07] <aftg> je||y: it's a terminal. I mean I usually do things in terminal, but there's plenty graphical utilities in XFCE as well, I just don't use them
[20:08] <aftg> But I didn't use them either in ubuntu, you see?
[20:09] <je||y> there's no GNOME terminal in xubuntu?
[20:09] <SiDi> theres xfce4-terminal
[20:10] <aftg> je||y: you can install it if you prefer I think. Not sure if it'd slow your system down but I don't think so. I use another terminal (xterm) in all systems, so can't really tell
[20:10] <je||y> do you have to type $ before every command?
[20:11] <SiDi> no
[20:11] <je||y> what's the difference?
[20:12] <aftg> je||y: between what?
[20:12] <aftg> the different terminals?
[20:12] <je||y> yes
[20:12] <aftg> je||y: features like tabs, text selection, scrollbars, profiles, etc.
[20:13] <aftg> xterm is a lightweight terminal, with no menus etc.. I just got used to it because it was the first one I used frequently
[20:14] <aftg> so I tend to install it on every machine I use, I guess
[20:15] <je||y> is there a standard terminal that i can use on any linux distribution?
[20:16] <aftg> je||y: xterm is availabe for every one as it's one of first.. But if you can get gnome on a distro you can get gnome-terminal and if you can get kde you can get konsole, etc etc
[20:16] <aftg> I think it's wiser to choose the shell you use (bash, csh, zsh) rather than the terminal app
[20:19] <je||y> the shell?
[20:20] <je||y> sorry if im asking too many questions
[20:21] <aftg> np, it is irc after all : )
[20:22] <aftg> the shell is the app that runs in terminal.. the prompt you see when you open the terminal is the actual shell
[20:22] <aftg> it's essentially the application that gets commands from you and passes it on to the operating system or runs programs etc
[20:22] <aftg> the terminal (xterm, gnome-terminal, etc) is a graphical interface for using it, just that
[20:23] <aftg> I don't know if I was able to explain myself?
[20:23] <aftg> http://ln-s.net/3FMV <-
[20:23] <je||y> aftg: yes
[20:24] <je||y> how is bluetooth on xubuntu
[20:24] <aftg> Myrtti: can I run aptoncd from a non-ubuntu system?
[20:24] <aftg> je||y: no idea, don't have bluetooth : )
[20:24] <Myrtti> aftg: I've not tried :-(
[20:25] <aftg> the website says it uses /var/cache/apt/archives/ to build the package list : (
[20:25] <aftg> I don't have any ubuntu/xubuntu machine here right now. Damn
[21:45] <anom01y> how come the cpu graph doesnt work in xubuntu ?
[21:46] <anom01y> it shows a block, but no graph or anything else
[21:47] <anom01y> SiDi, you there ?
[21:47] <SiDi> yeh
[21:47] <SiDi> its because your CPU is always in 0% </troll>
[21:47] <SiDi> Maybe the default xubuntu install doesnt have the libs needed for that applet to work
[21:48] <anom01y> yeah probable
[21:48] <SiDi> sudo apt-get install xfce4-cpugraph-plugin
[21:48] <anom01y> ok I will try again
[21:48] <anom01y> I had it working before, but now it just shows a block, and is not customizable
[21:49] <anom01y> ie. none of its options do anything, including chanign the colors
[21:51] <anom01y> yeah its screwed, just shows a giant blue block moving around
[22:05] <je||y> anyone here know if bluetooth works in xubuntu?
[22:07] <SiDi> je||y, it does work perfectly
[22:07] <SiDi> anom01y, what version of xubuntu ? Please remove all current cpu graph panels
[22:08] <anom01y> SiDi,
[22:08] <anom01y> 9.04
[22:08] <anom01y> ok I removed all graph panels
[22:08] <SiDi> Ok
[22:09] <SiDi> you only need that graph plugin
[22:09] <SiDi> if it has all dependencies it should be ok
[22:09] <SiDi> did you type the command above ?
[22:09] <SiDi> sudo apt-get install xfce4-cpugraph-plugin
[22:09] <anom01y> yes
[22:09] <anom01y> and I tried using it, but it just gives me a block
[22:10] <anom01y> that moves back and forth,
[22:10] <anom01y> maybe I can record my desktop and show you
[22:10] <SiDi> right click, go th properties
[22:12] <anom01y> on the cpu graph ?
[22:12] <anom01y> SiDi, im in CPU graph properties
[22:12] <SiDi> Okey
[22:12] <SiDi> set it to LED, and give me a screeny :D
[22:14] <anom01y> 90%
[22:14] <anom01y> I'll try again ?
[22:14] <SiDi> use imageshack please
[22:14] <SiDi> DCC file sending is a buggy thing :]
[22:16] <anom01y> I installed imageshack, now I have something called photo-upload
[22:17] <anom01y> SiDi, what is imageshack ?
[22:17] <SiDi> http://imageshack.us
[22:18] <anom01y> uploading...
[22:18] <anom01y> http://images.google.ca/images?q=ubuntu%20cpu%20graph&oe=utf-8&rls=com.ubuntu:en-US:unofficial&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wi
[22:18] <anom01y> http://img194.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshotfvn.png
[22:19] <anom01y> its the panel on the right
[22:19] <anom01y> the blue box
[22:20] <SiDi> oh
[22:20] <anom01y> one sec I will give you another image
[22:20] <SiDi> maybe theres a bug with vertical panels
[22:20] <anom01y> http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/3475/screenshot1g.png
[22:20] <SiDi> panels were partially rewritten in 4.6 and theres a lot of work going on it right now
[22:20] <Ben_Cs> hello
[22:20] <anom01y> that blue box gets bigger/smaller according to the cpu usage (I think)
[22:20] <Ben_Cs> anyone upgraded to 4.6.1
[22:20] <Ben_Cs> ?
[22:20] <anom01y> but none of the options for it do anything including changing colors
[22:21] <SiDi> Ben_Cs, i did, it works fine
[22:21] <anom01y> maybe  I should upgrade ?
[22:21] <SiDi> anom01y, hm
[22:21] <anom01y> hopefully xfce stays lightweight!
[22:21] <SiDi> how it is moving with the LED mode ?
[22:22] <anom01y> that is the LED mode
[22:22] <anom01y> all modes are the same and do nothing
[22:22] <SiDi> So its only either full or as you showed on the last screen ?
[22:22] <anom01y> yeah it moves around
[22:22] <Ben_Cs> SiDi: so did i. from the repo: http://ppa.launchpad.net/jerome-guelfucci/ppa/ubuntu         but it removed some packages such as: xubuntu-desktop, thunar etc. although thunar works just fine. WTF?
[22:23] <SiDi> Ben_Cs, you on intrepid ?
[22:23] <SiDi> Ben_Cs, aptitude search thunar, show me the output
[22:23] <anom01y> SiDi, when I had kubuntu 8.04 with xfce installed it worked fine.
[22:23] <anom01y> but now that I've installed xubuntu 9.04 its not working
[22:23] <SiDi> anom01y, it works fine on my computer, with vertical panel too :]
[22:24] <SiDi> anom01y, it looks like its in 'No history' mode instead of 'LED'
[22:24] <Ben_Cs> SiDi: i'm on hardy LTS
[22:24] <anom01y> ahhh
[22:24] <anom01y> SiDi,
[22:24] <anom01y> in the horiz panel it works
[22:24] <anom01y> in the ver. panel it doesnt
[22:25] <SiDi> anom01y, hm, maybe its a 4.6.0 bug that was fixed in 4.6.1 then
[22:25] <SiDi> anom01y, if you feel like trying 4.6.1, check http://ppa.launchpad.net/jerome-guelfucci/ppa/ubuntu out
[22:25] <Ben_Cs> SiDi: http://paste.ubuntu.com/184566/
[22:25] <SiDi> Ben_Cs, was your 8.04 a default install ? :/
[22:26] <SiDi> Ben_Cs, please reinstall xubuntu-desktop
[22:26] <anom01y> yeah in the verticle panel its that blue box but when I move it to the horizontal panel it works
[22:26] <SiDi> anom01y, your window manager is an emerald theme right ?
[22:27] <anom01y> SiDi, yes
[22:27] <SiDi> okey :)
[22:27] <Ben_Cs> SiDi: 8.04 as comes from xubuntu site. installing xubuntu-desktop says will remove some packages. won't it downgrade from the newest packages of xfce 4.6.1?
[22:27] <SiDi> i though : i dont know this xfwm theme
[22:27] <SiDi> Ben_Cs, please paste what packages it says it will remove
[22:27] <SiDi> Ben_Cs, im not sure anyone tested the PPA on hardy actually :x its more meant for jaunty
[22:29] <Ben_Cs> SiDi: it actually doesn't say about removing but: http://paste.ubuntu.com/184570/
[22:30] <SiDi> okey, Ben_Cs
[22:30] <anom01y> well I may try the upgrade
[22:30] <SiDi> its because the old settings manager from 4.4 was removed
[22:30] <anom01y> hopefully it fixes that problem
[22:30] <SiDi> and now its replaced by the 4.6.x one
[22:30] <Ben_Cs> SiDi: i upgraded to 4.6.0 from xfce.org site. and then to 4.6.1 from a private repo
[22:30] <SiDi> anom01y, yeh. If it doesnt, come in #xfce, and we'll see what we can do
[22:30] <SiDi> Ben_Cs, then there is nothing i can do
[22:31] <Ben_Cs> SiDi: but is my system ok?
[22:31] <SiDi> Ben_Cs, its like going from gnome 2 to gnome 3, of course stuff will break if the package maintainers didnt ensure it wouldnt
[22:31] <SiDi> Ben_Cs, yeh, but xfce is messed up
[22:31] <Ben_Cs> SiDi: massed up in what manner? crashes?
[22:31] <SiDi> Ben_Cs, you should never use website packages when there is a PPA, and if you want a PPA for a LTS while you have the same feature from upgrading, you should upgrade
[22:32] <SiDi> Ben_Cs, in the manner that many packages changed from 4.4 to 4.6
[22:32] <Ben_Cs> SiDi: what's PPA?
[22:32] <SiDi> xubuntu-desktop lists the xfce packages for XFCE 4.4, and some are just force-removed by xfce 4.6
[22:32] <MikeChelen> !ppa
[22:32] <SiDi> PPA = private repository from jerome that you used
[22:32] <anom01y> Sidi how do I get 4.6.1 ?
[22:33] <SiDi> anom01y, if you feel like trying 4.6.1, check http://ppa.launchpad.net/jerome-guelfucci/ppa/ubuntu out
[22:33] <Ben_Cs> SiDi: the packages that were upgraded from 4.4 to 4.6 i installed them manually from intrepid repos
[22:33] <SiDi> Ben_Cs, not from intrepid's repository. Definately not. They are NOT in this repository.
[22:34] <SiDi> !info xfce4 hardy
[22:34] <anom01y> main, multiverse, restricted, or universe ?
[22:34] <SiDi> anom01y, none of them. You need to add this repository. Read https://help.launchpad.net/PPAQuickStart?action=show for instructions
[22:34] <anom01y> I have xubuntu 9.04
[22:35] <anom01y>  I need an account for that
[22:35] <Ben_Cs> SiDi: ok. is there a way (besides reinstalling the pc) to move to a not massed up xfce 4.6.1 on LTS?
[22:35] <SiDi> Ben_Cs, i recommand you to remove any custom repository, to go to shell, to remove --purge every xfce package, and to reinstall xubuntu-desktop
[22:35] <SiDi> Ben_Cs, just using jerome's PPA would be the best way. If you installed 4.6.0 from the website, theres nothing we can do for you :/
[22:36] <Ben_Cs> SiDi: i did install 4.6 from website. oh well...
[22:37] <SiDi> Ben_Cs, you should never install a whole desktop environment from the web ;) thats only for people who want to test in a sandbox or who want to package it for their own distro ;)
[22:37] <Ben_Cs> SiDi: at the time i didn't see a repo for lts
[22:38] <SiDi> Ben_Cs, then you should expect the upgrade to fail and do it really if you're ok with losing your system; )
[22:39] <Ben_Cs> SiDi: i think i'll wait for the next LTS (10.04) hopefully it'll fix things up
[22:41] <SiDi> Ben_Cs, if you want your  system to work after you left this session, you kinda should fix it now ;)
[22:42] <SiDi> Ben_Cs, why dont you upgrade to 9.04 by the way ?
[22:42] <SiDi> its better than backporting packages to the LTS
[22:43] <Ben_Cs> SiDi: cause there's a faulty package "libsmbclient" in 9.04 and i don't know how to backport to the version that is in 8.04
[22:44] <SiDi> Ben_Cs, what happens when you reinstall thunar ?
[22:44] <SiDi> Ben_Cs, is the problem with libsmbclient reported on launchpad ?
[22:45] <Ben_Cs> SiDi: yes. it kicked bounces back to debian packages
[22:46] <Ben_Cs> i mean it's even a debian problem
[22:46] <SiDi> I see
[22:46] <SiDi> so, what does "sudo apt-get install thunar" say ?
[22:46] <Ben_Cs> SiDi: i can reinstall the package "thunar" without objection
[22:47] <SiDi> okey
[22:47] <SiDi> do it then :)
[22:47] <Ben_Cs> SiDi: just did :)
[22:47] <SiDi> then please show me "aptitude search xfce4"
[22:47] <SiDi> so that we can check you get all the 4.6 stuff
[22:48] <Ben_Cs> http://paste.ubuntu.com/184579/
[22:49] <SiDi> sudo aptitude install xfce4 ;)
[22:49] <SiDi> aptitude search xfdesktop
[22:49] <SiDi> aptitude search xfwm
[22:49] <SiDi> you need to check you have those two installed
[22:50] <Ben_Cs> SiDi: i have an "i" next to them
[22:51] <SiDi> ok
[22:51] <SiDi> it should work then :p
[22:53] <Ben_Cs> SiDi: you think 10.04 LTS will put everything in proper order?
[22:53] <SiDi> depends on debian, honnestly
[22:53] <SiDi> they should have the time, in 11 months, though
[22:54] <Ben_Cs> SiDi: ok. thank you very much 4 helping me :)
[22:54] <SiDi> youre welcome :P
[22:54] <Ben_Cs> nighty night
[22:54] <SiDi> next time you want to introduce entropy on your system, please join irc before ;)
[22:54] <SiDi> night, Ben_Cs
[22:55] <Ben_Cs> SiDi: good advice :)
[22:55] <Ben_Cs> bye
[23:01] <anom01y> SiDi, perfect! the cpu graph works !
[23:01] <SiDi> Great :]
[23:01] <anom01y> and I'd imagine many other problems are fixed also !
[23:01] <SiDi> a few ones, yeh
[23:02] <anom01y> good deal I like that Linux is getting better and better every time
[23:02] <anom01y> well
[23:02] <anom01y> I just run ubuntu so I wouldn't know anything
[23:04] <SiDi> What do you mean ? If linux gets better, ubuntu too :]
[23:04] <anom01y> well I can tell you, I've installed Linux on 3 of my frineds computers
[23:04] <anom01y> 4, sorry
[23:05] <anom01y> (ubuntu), and they are all pretty happy, its spreading pretty fast.
[23:06] <anom01y> seems like most people just use their computer for the internet and thats about it
[23:06] <anom01y> playing music
[23:08] <anom01y> SiDi, do you know a good alternative to filelight ?
[23:08] <anom01y> graphical file browser..
[23:08] <MikeChelen> yeah my folks are happy with it as long as web browser & youtube work ;)
[23:08] <SiDi> thunar :/
[23:09] <SiDi> anom01y, why dont you use thunar, provided by default in xubuntu ?
[23:09] <anom01y> I do
[23:09] <anom01y> but I have several hard drives,
[23:09] <anom01y> I guess I could use the plugins for the panel for disk size
[23:09] <SiDi> oh, i see what filelight is
[23:09] <SiDi> you can use baobab
[23:09] <SiDi> its in gnome-utils though
[23:10] <SiDi> still better than KDE dependencies
[23:10] <anom01y> wow thats alot of packages is it ok to install them all ?
[23:11] <anom01y> for just the one program I think I will skip installing all that
[23:15] <SiDi> if you'd seen the amount of packages installed by filelight... :D
[23:15] <SiDi> http://paste.ubuntu.com/184593/
[23:39] <slow-motion> n8