[00:02] <neversfelde> mhh
[00:02] <neversfelde> looks very similar
[00:03] <nixternal> the lack of swirls and stripes, plus the shiny look is what makes it stand out from air, but ya, I would agree that it might be based off of air or such
[00:03] <neversfelde> the clock is different
[00:05] <nixternal> I wonder if it is called Carbon, and the person is working on it but hasn't released it yet
[00:05] <neversfelde> hey, plasma-widget-daisy 0.0.4.13, release fast and often
[00:05] <neversfelde> but not every few hours :/
[00:07] <nixternal> ahh, it is carbon, it is in playground/base/plasma/desktoptheme/Carbon
[00:07] <neversfelde> can't find that analog clock on kde-look, so that may be true
[00:07] <neversfelde> :)
[00:07] <neversfelde> nice
[00:07] <vorian> i think a fire theme would be neat
[00:08] <vorian> ectoplasmic fire
[00:09] <nixternal> hrmm, krita is borked in 2.0 packages
[00:09] <neversfelde> kword too, you cannot export as pdf
[00:10] <nixternal> hell, i can't do anything with koffice at all
[00:10] <nixternal> karbon is borked as well
[00:11]  * nixternal grabs the package
[00:11] <claydoh> most koffice 2 apps seem slow to load here, esp krita
[00:11] <claydoh> but I haven't spent much time using any of them yet
[00:12] <nixternal> they works great on my trunk build, same system
[00:13] <apachelogger> it's because of the GL stuff
[00:13] <apachelogger> it threw loads of debugging last time I checked
[00:14] <nixternal> the GL stuff?
[00:14] <nixternal> I have it compiled with tests and dbg on the same machine, flawless
[00:15] <nixternal> hrmm
[00:15] <nixternal> it is using the old school cdbs package setup it looks like
[00:15] <nixternal> oh, no it isn't...just the debian/ directory wasn't cleaned up at all
[00:19] <nixternal> holy god
[00:19] <nixternal> OpenCTL compilation
[00:20] <apachelogger> that is the debug flooding thing :P
[00:20] <nixternal> I don't get that on my trunk build...I mean I get the same output, just not that damn slow
[00:21] <nixternal> and you shouldn't get that if you don't have dbg installed
[00:21] <neversfelde> oh, kid3 finally is compiled as KDE4 version, nice
[00:22] <neversfelde> seems that only k3b is left for me
[00:22] <nixternal> koffice is a monster :)
[00:22] <apachelogger> nixternal: debug output is largely unrelated to -dbg :P
[00:22] <apachelogger> and yes, koffice is a monster
[00:22] <neversfelde> I like monsters
[00:23]  * apachelogger can't even compile it most of the time due to lack of disc space
[00:23] <nixternal> apachelogger: I know, but it would be nice if debug output wasn't enabled w/o dbg honestly
[00:24] <apachelogger> nixternal: well, yes and no, you might want debug messages without having to install loads of space wasters
[00:24] <apachelogger> good thing for KDE it can be turned off :D
[00:26] <nixternal> ya, need one compiled as release too :)
[00:26] <nixternal> I only use the Kubuntu packages for Kubuntu bugs, for KDE bugs I use a trunk build
[00:26] <nixternal> nothing more annoying than people filing bugs that just aren't there
[00:31] <word> Hmm, with the kubuntu expermintal ppa for kde 4.3b1 packages it appears that python-kde4 doesn't have a 4.2.85 version package..so it's sitting at 4.2.4. I believe this might be why update-notifier-kde's python instance is using 160mb of memory and incrementing by 20mb and temporarily using 25% cpu (on a quad core) everytime there's a apt-get update run...
[00:32] <vorian> crap
[00:35] <word> vorian: my thoughts exactly? ;)
[00:36] <vorian> no, you shouldn't have seen the 4.2.4 stuff
[00:36] <vorian> :P
[00:36] <neversfelde> it is in the old experimental ppa, though most kubuntu users will get it
[00:36] <vorian> word: there is a problem with kdebindings with 4.2.85
[00:37] <neversfelde> s/most/many
[00:37] <vorian> hopefully we can get it sorted out by b2
[00:38] <word> vorian: Is that on kde's side or a packaging issue?
[00:39] <word> and for "you shouldn't have seen the 4.2.4 stuff" why do i have kde packages that are 4.2.3->4.2.4 and not 4.2.85 anyway? :-/
[00:39] <vorian> I don't recall the details
[00:39] <neversfelde> there should be an official anouncement related to the new ppa scheme, users are a little bit confused
[00:39]  * vorian shrugs
[00:39] <vorian> yes, true
[00:40] <vorian> it's a long story
[00:40] <vorian> needless to say, beta 2 will be tagged early this week
[00:41] <word> isn't the only naming difference kubuntu-expermental/ppa vs. kubuntu-ppa/experimental? Can hardly blame them. :P
[00:41] <vorian> yes, we will get that sorted out asap
[00:42] <vorian> kubuntu-experemental is going to die
[00:42] <neversfelde> also the other old ppas should be deleted
[00:43] <word> Lol, intense. The announcment on kubuntu.org for kde4.3b2 would probably be a good time to announce the changeover. (although the one for kde4.3b1 would have been better)
[00:45] <neversfelde> we translated the announcment to german and realized really late that it was deleted on kubuntu.org, was not so good :/
[00:45] <vorian> sorry word
[00:48] <vorian> word: are you actually getting 4.2.85 packages from kubuntu-experimental?
[00:50] <word> vorian: No worries, and yah I think so, why? o.O
[00:50] <vorian> it should not be the case :/
[00:51] <word> vorian: oh, i meant kubuntu-ppa/experimental, i'm not getting them from kubuntu-experimental
[00:51] <vorian> even weirder
[00:52] <vorian> although there is not a replacement, what's weird is that you are getting 4.2.4 stuff
[00:53] <word> vorian: 2 packages, libkholidays4 and python-kde4
[00:54] <vorian> so very odd
[00:57] <word> vorian: I guess i'm just special? :P
[01:12] <jjesse> yo
[01:13] <vorian> word: guess so :)
[01:13] <vorian> hiya jjesse
[01:15] <neversfelde> how to get a package to kubuntu-ppa/backports?
[01:15] <vorian> what package?
[01:16] <neversfelde> vorian: ksshaskpass
[01:16] <neversfelde> there seem to be several problems with the KDE3 version in jaunty
[01:16] <neversfelde> it  builds without changes and works for me
[01:17] <vorian> and the one in karmic is good?
[01:17] <neversfelde> yes, I have a backport in my ppa and tested it a few days in jaunty
[01:17] <vorian> neversfelde: I would just file a bug report
[01:18] <neversfelde> mhh, I can request a real backport than, should be the same work
[01:18] <vorian> i can throw it in
[01:18] <neversfelde> vorian: https://edge.launchpad.net/~neversfelde/+archive/ppa
[01:20] <vorian> neversfelde: automagic complete
[01:21] <vorian> neversfelde: still, file a backport request
[01:21] <neversfelde> thanks
[01:21] <vorian> thanks ye
[01:21] <neversfelde> vorian: I am not sure, if it is good idea to replace KDE3 apps with backports?
[01:22] <neversfelde> so ksshaskpass is not so complicated and it works, so I will file a request the next days
[01:22] <vorian> sounds good
[01:51]  * ScottK waves hello from home.
[01:51]  * vorian waves to ScottK in his home
[01:51] <jjesse> hello :)
[01:51] <jjesse> welcome back home
[02:07]  * claydoh waves at ScottK and all those returning home
[02:07] <claydoh> hope all had a grand time
[02:07] <ScottK> For those that may not have heard, I think UDS went very well for us.
[02:08] <ScottK> It should be a good cycle.  Lots to do, but very good.
[02:08] <claydoh> wonderful!
[02:09] <claydoh> I hate to say it, but I found something more fun than Kubuntu:
[02:09] <claydoh> Puppies!!
[02:11]  * claydoh wonders if he can slip some Kubuntu disks in with all the supplies that come with adopting a puupy
[02:11] <claydoh> s/puppy/puupy
[02:21] <ScottK> It'd be nice is one of you bzr/ninja freaks could look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Bzr and see if we can learn anything.
[02:23] <nixternal> claydoh: hehe, yes puppies rule!
[02:23] <nixternal> ScottK: ya, was already playing with that a couple of months back
[02:23] <nixternal> or at least looking into it
[02:33] <_Groo_> apachelogger: are you there?
[02:33] <_Groo_> apachelogger: amarok 2.1 is complete
[02:33] <_Groo_> apachelogger: whats your email again?
[02:34] <vorian> you mean 2.0.96
[02:34] <_Groo_> vorian: no i mean 2.1 final
[02:34] <_Groo_> vorian: he sent me the oficial final tarball so i could do the final package... its complete now.. where do i send the tar.gz and dsc?
[02:35] <vorian> when does the official release happen?
[02:36] <_Groo_> vorian: soon (tm)
[02:37] <vorian> soon ™
[02:37] <_Groo_> vorian: thats the spirit :D
[02:37] <vorian> well, who's reviewing it?
[02:37] <_Groo_> i believe its apachelogger, since hes the one who assigned the task to me
[02:37] <vorian> do you have his email?
[02:37] <_Groo_> vorian: but i know you are in charge of a lot of the kde packages along with JontheEchidna
[02:38] <_Groo_> eh send it to me but my machine crashed :P thats why im asking him again
[02:38] <vorian> :o
[02:38] <vorian> did you upload to a ppa?
[02:38] <jjesse> claydoh: what type of puuppy?
[02:39] <_Groo_> vorian: no, he told me to keep it to myself till the oficial release is out.. no blogging, nothing..
[02:39] <vorian> ah, ok :)
[02:40] <claydoh> jjesse: rat terrier
[02:41] <jjesse> claydoh: nice
[02:41] <_Groo_> vorian: could you tell harald that i've finished the package? he can find me at launchpad ~paulo.miguel.dias
[02:42] <vorian> you just did :)
[02:42] <claydoh> jjesse: http://tinyurl.com/lwo55t my old digi camera sux
[02:42] <_Groo_> ok then, gonna dinner, bbl... :)
[02:43] <vorian> okie
[02:43] <_Groo_> vorian: oh btw, do you know if there are any patches already to compile kdebindings svn for jaunty?
[02:43] <vorian> _Groo_: for 4.3 beta?
[02:44] <_Groo_> vorian: i backported the latest dependencies needed, snapshots of pyqt and the like, but its still breaking
[02:44] <_Groo_> vorian: yes
[02:44] <vorian> possibly, i've been looking at 4.2 stuff all week
[02:44] <vorian> this next week we will find out
[02:45] <_Groo_> vorian: beta 2? oO
[02:45] <vorian> yep
[02:45]  * _Groo_ dances around the living room!
[02:46]  * vorian dances too
[02:46] <_Groo_> vorian: oh btw, im testing and reporting bugs against qt 4.5.1 with reaster enabled by default.. i can happily say its solid as a rock and MUCH faster for 2d (rendering etc)
[02:46] <vorian> excellent!
[02:47] <_Groo_> vorian: there was a bug with bespin that i filled and was fixed today.. so no known bugs with raster
[02:47] <_Groo_> vorian: so i think you guys could consider enbaling it by default for karmic
[02:52] <vorian> ohmy
[02:52]  * _Groo_ is away: Gone away for now
[02:52] <vorian> we are having tornados!
[02:52]  * vorian goes outside
[02:56]  * _Groo_ is back.
[02:56]  * _Groo_ is away: Gone away for now
[02:56] <_Groo_> vorian: you are kidding right?
[02:56]  * _Groo_ is back.
[03:00]  * _Groo_ hopes vorian is allright :(
[03:07]  * _Groo_ is away: Gone away for now
[03:08] <Hobbsee> _Groo_: please turn that *off*
[03:08] <Hobbsee> before people go insane
[03:08] <Hobbsee> and woot, amarok!
[03:18] <vorian> yay, sirens gone
[03:32]  * _Groo_ is back.
[03:32]  * _Groo_ is away: Gone away for now
[03:32]  * _Groo_ is back.
[03:32] <lex79_> uhm
[03:32] <ScottK> _Groo_: This is one of the things we discussed at UDS (raster).  So the testing is good.
[03:33] <ScottK> _Groo_: Please turn off the away message.
[03:33] <_Groo_> hi ScottK, disabled
[03:34] <_Groo_> vorian: you are alive? good :)
[03:34] <vorian> yes, thanks :)
[03:35] <_Groo_> ScottK: and what did you decided at UDS? to my knowledge raster is very good already
[03:36] <ScottK> We decided we need to do testing and see.
[03:37] <_Groo_> ScottK: im using it for 2 months now.. kde 4.2.x worked very well but some apps crashed on exit, mostly in 4.2.1. 4.2.2 was crash free , and 4.3 beta 1 also.. there was a bug in bespin that gave some crashes on exit with plasma overlays, but i filed it and they fixed it today, with latest svn.. so no mor crashes :)
[03:37] <_Groo_> ScottK: and its VERY VERY fast :) theres a noticeable speed in renderings ike fonts and scrollings
[03:38] <ScottK> I heard some impresive numbers.
[03:38] <_Groo_> ScottK: numbers are always relative, but it is faster, yes
[03:39] <_Groo_> ScottK: just compile qt again with raster as default and see for yourself.. or use --graphicssystem raster
[03:39] <_Groo_> with any app
[03:39] <_Groo_> you will see notiable speedups with heavy rendering apps like, kmail, akregator, amarok
[03:40] <vorian> arora would be perfect for me if it would keep favicon in the bookmark toolbar
[03:40]  * vorian us just sayin
[03:40] <vorian> is, even
[03:41] <_Groo_> vorian: i prefer rekonq, arora is good but rekonq shows some promisse.. i be it will become the default browser for 4.4.
[03:41] <_Groo_> bet
[03:42] <_Groo_> apachelogger: ping!
[03:43] <_Groo_> vorian: where do you live vorian? to be so exposed to tornados
[03:43] <vorian> _Groo_: he's fast asleep at this hour
[03:43] <vorian> I live in Ohio
[03:43] <vorian> US
[03:43] <_Groo_> vorian: figured...
[03:44] <vorian> very common this time of year
[03:44] <_Groo_> vorian: yes i've seen twister, lol
[03:44] <vorian> the weather is not the problem, its the crying kids that require attention
[03:44] <vorian> twister is in Oklahoma and Texas
[03:44] <vorian> I'm about 1000 east of that
[03:44] <vorian> 1000 miles
[03:45] <_Groo_> vorian: i was joking about the movie :P
[03:45] <vorian> Ah :P
[03:45] <_Groo_> vorian: and i live in brasil, 1000 miles is a days car ridding, not a bit deal :D
[03:45] <vorian> awesome
[03:46] <_Groo_> vorian: but im portuguese , not brazilian :) before you ask me to dance or something lol
[03:46] <vorian> I've always wanted to visit Brasil
[03:46] <vorian> :)
[03:47] <_Groo_> vorian: its a dangerous country.. visit it but dont stray away from you guide.. and dont go to rio de janeiro... and if you do go, dont STRAY AWAY FROM THE GUIDE
[03:47] <vorian> lol
[03:47] <vorian> ok, I'll stick to going to Peru
[03:47] <ScottK> _Groo_: You can enable raster without rebuilding?
[03:47]  * ScottK has been to Peru.
[03:47] <_Groo_> ScottK: you can enable raster PER application without rebuilding
[03:48] <vorian> i want to go to machu picchu
[03:48] <_Groo_> ScottK: peru is nice :)
[03:48] <ScottK> _Groo_: Even cooler.  Is there a good howto on the web?
[03:48] <_Groo_> vorian: its nice.. eastern island also
[03:48] <ScottK> vorian: I've been to Machu Pichu (but not Easter Island).
[03:48] <vorian> Awsome
[03:48] <vorian> Rapa nui
[03:48] <_Groo_> ScottK: howto : choose the kde/qt app.. do app --graphicssystem raster , off you go
[03:49] <_Groo_> easter sorry, always forget that eastern and easter are diferent words :D
[03:51] <ScottK> Interesting.
[03:51] <vorian> I wonder if the natives did leave on an iceburg
[03:51] <_Groo_> ScottK: to enable it by default, just change the rules and add a --graphicssystem raster... qt with raster by default.. if anything goes wrong when using raster you can run the bad app with --graphicssystem native
[03:51] <ScottK> It's almost 5AM Barcelona time, so I need to go pass out.
[03:51] <_Groo_> vorian: thats hollywood ... the natives killed themselfs and most of them starved
[03:51] <vorian> night
[03:51] <_Groo_> ScottK: spanish?
[03:52] <ScottK> _Groo_: No.  I was at UDS.  Just got home, but the body is still on that TZ.
[03:52] <_Groo_> ScottK: ahhh ok...
[03:53] <_Groo_> ScottK: always like that, when i lived in europe all the good stuff was in the US, not that i live in LA (latin america), all the good stuff is in europe :P
[03:53] <_Groo_> if i go back to europe, probably all the good stuff will be held in china :D
[03:55] <maco> _Groo_, UDS alternates North America in the fall and elsewhere in the spring
[03:55] <_Groo_> maco: yeah, but im down here :D
[03:56] <maco> it's a shorter flight from somewhere between mexico and brazil to the US than it is to Europe or Aussieland
[04:01] <_Groo_> maco: have you ever flyied to LA? ;)
[04:02] <maco> carribbean's the closest i've gone
[04:02] <_Groo_> maco: trust me , eficiency or cost reduction arent exactly golder rules around here...
[04:02] <_Groo_> golden
[04:04] <_Groo_> chromium now has options... nice...
[04:04] <_Groo_> it didnt yesterday.. only empty tabs
[04:06] <_Groo_> no flash still :P
[04:07] <_Groo_> lol options are there but they dont do anything, lol :) hmm i believe an august release will be in line with what google previously said
[04:07] <_Groo_> gonna take the dog for a walk.. bbl
[09:40] <Nightrose> [00:16:43] <groo_> apachelogger: compiling amarok 2.1.1
[09:40] <Nightrose> [00:16:52] <groo_> apachelogger: just to see if everything is ok
[09:40] <Nightrose> [00:17:06] <groo_> amarok_2.1.1~svn975748
[09:40] <Nightrose> what was he smoking?
[09:43]  * Nightrose hopes his package for 2.1 is less on crack ;-)
[10:31] <apachelogger> Nightrose: I find it most interesting how he didn't find my email addy even though I listed 3 of them in my launchpad profile and when you google for my name you are probably bound to stumble upon my gpg key which lists a lot more as well...
[10:32] <Nightrose> ;-)
[10:33] <apachelogger> nixternal: you don't need to have a kde build compiled with release
[10:34] <apachelogger> just make sure every debug domain is deactivated
[10:34] <apachelogger> i.e. what kdebugdialog manages
[11:17] <_StefanS_> hello
[11:18] <_StefanS_> anyone know if the daily live is bootable on usb cdrom ?
[11:18] <_StefanS_> (and doesnt stop with (initramfs) .. )
[11:20] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[11:20] <apachelogger> give it a try :D
[11:25] <_StefanS_> apachelogger: err well, just wondering if someone had done it before me - but thanks, I'll go ahead and download :D
[11:32] <apachelogger> Nightrose: GlobalConfig::GlobalConfig() : m_config(QLatin1String("kde.org"), QLatin1String("libphonon"))
[11:32] <Nightrose> apachelogger: ?
[11:32] <apachelogger> if Vir can make that CMake-influencable I can make phonon from kubuntu, kde-nightly and amarok-nightly independent from each other
[11:33] <apachelogger> preventing them from breaking the file for each other essentially :D
[11:34] <Nightrose> hmmm I doubt he has time for it but when i see him i'll let him know
[11:34] <apachelogger> really the kde.org portion just needs to go to a sperate .h which gets used accross all phonon stuff that might want to write a config to .config
[11:36] <apachelogger> Nightrose: if he says ok I can probably try to change it myself
[11:36] <Nightrose> k
[12:21] <apachelogger> ok
[12:21] <apachelogger> I ain't gonna package amarok 2.1
[12:22] <apachelogger> the scriptbindings are as backportable as the startship voyager
[12:22] <apachelogger> yay for sensible packaging
[12:22] <apachelogger> then again
[12:22] <apachelogger> I got my all fancy package somewhere
[12:23] <apachelogger> nah, not worth the trouble
[12:23] <apachelogger> dunno dont care
[13:48] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: bug 343944
[13:48] <apachelogger> isn't that really in Qt? and was fixed recently?
[15:06] <freeflying> is any kubuntu council guy here? would u like check my kubuntu mail alias setting? thanks
[15:40] <Nightrose> freeflying: i am
[15:40] <Nightrose> not sure if i can do something for you though
[15:41] <freeflying> Nightrose: can't recieve any maild been sent to my kubuntu's recently
[15:41] <Nightrose> hmmmm strange
[15:41] <Nightrose> can you give me your launchpad ID?
[15:45] <freeflying> Nightrose: zhengpeng-hou
[15:47] <Nightrose> freeflying: sorry - doesn't look like I can do anything about it :/  you'll have to wait for Riddell or ask in the canonical sysadmin channel I guess
[15:48] <freeflying> Nightrose: ok, thanks
[16:14] <nixternal> apachelogger: Linphone? why not Twinkle?
[16:39] <madsdyd> Hi all. I have been trying to get PyKDE4 to work for me, with KAssistantDialog, but so far, no luck
[16:39] <madsdyd> Any advice?
[16:55] <apachelogger> nixternal: it got nothing to do with linphone
[16:55] <apachelogger> we just need the otrp lib that was created for linphone
[16:55] <apachelogger> which is the reason it is part of the linphone source right now
[16:55] <apachelogger> even though it seems that upstream got an indepent release of that lib, so that is what I would like to get in
[16:59] <nixternal> ahh, OK I gotcha
[16:59] <nixternal> I just skimmed the email
[18:14] <Quintasan> Hiho
[18:27] <ScottK> It looks like rgreening might not be online before I have to go get in an airplane again.  Would someone please tell him I've got his blue jacket from UDS and after I get back from my next trip (2 weeks), I'll figure out how to get it to him.
[18:47] <_Groo_> apachelogger: ping?
[18:47] <_Groo_> hi/2 all
[18:48] <vorian> hi _Groo_
[18:48] <vorian> _Groo_: did you upload that amarok package yet?
[18:48] <_Groo_> vorian: i've sent the debian dir to apachelogger, since amarok its a 120MB source package :P
[18:49] <_Groo_> vorian: where am i suposed to upload it? my ppa?
[18:49] <vorian> yep
[18:49] <_Groo_> vorian: i remembered harald already sent me some email, so i could find it
[18:50] <vorian> ah, ok
[18:50] <_Groo_> vorian: is he around?
[18:51] <vorian> you pinged him, if he's here he'll say something
[18:51] <_Groo_> vorian: ok
[18:51] <_Groo_> vorian: is kde 4.3 beta 2 tagged yet?
[18:51] <vorian> no, it's not tuesday yet :P
[18:52] <vorian> which in KDE terms really means wednesday
[18:52] <_Groo_> vorian: eheheheh
[18:53] <vorian> bookmark this link: http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.3_Release_Schedule
[18:53] <_Groo_> vorian: i also finished the k3b package, its updated with latest svn post beta 2
[18:53] <_Groo_> vorian: working very well here
[19:07] <vorian> excellent
[20:06]  * Gonium is away: Ausente por el momento
[20:06] <vorian> Gonium: turn off that away script please <3
[20:19]  * Gonium is back.
[20:21] <neversfelde> Gonium: interesting :/
[20:22] <neversfelde> seems that last.fm support in amarok 2.1 beta2 is borked again
[20:23] <neversfelde> hm no, last.fm is down
[20:32] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: yeah, there was a huge memory leak in Qt that was fixed
[20:38] <_Groo_> hi JontheEchidna, apachelogger
[20:38] <JontheEchidna> hi
[20:39] <_Groo_> JontheEchidna: jon i tested qt 4.5.1 with raster enabled for 1 month now... i can report that everything is working fine.. last bug in bespin was fixed yesterday
[20:39] <_Groo_> JontheEchidna: i recomend you consider raster by default for karmic.. is a real speed boost for 2d
[20:40] <JontheEchidna> That's not something that I can really decide, but I think that it's a good idea too. It also fixes (works around, really) some artifacting problems in konsole for legacy nvidia cards
[20:40] <JontheEchidna> We should probably bring it up at the next meeting and/or send a mail to the mailing list
[20:41] <_Groo_> apachelogger: ping!
[20:43] <_Groo_> JontheEchidna: apacheloggeris out again? :P
[20:43] <JontheEchidna> dunno
[20:43] <JontheEchidna> I just got back for the weekend myself
[20:44] <_Groo_> JontheEchidna: he asked me to make the amarok 2.1 package... its done since yesterday
[20:46] <JontheEchidna> I could review it if you like, I suppose, but I can't upload it to Ubuntu since it's in Main and I'm not a core-dev
[20:46]  * smarter notes that if we enable raster by default, sensei zrusin will kill us :]
[20:47] <_Groo_> smarter: i have death threats from devs every day... no big deal :D the needs of the many overcomes the needs of one
[20:48] <shtylman> JontheEchidna _Groo_: sebas told us about raster and we did agree that if it is stable we might want to make it a default because of the speed improvements...I think the raster is not quite there from the Qt side but will be shortly from what I was told
[20:49] <_Groo_> shtylman: completely stable and fast over here with kde 4.3 beta 1... the only problem was some crashes on exit with bespin, that i reported and they fixed yesterday.
[20:49] <smarter> hopefully, proper OpenGL support in Qt and the driver will soon be ready too, and will avoid having to massively break things :P
[20:49] <shtylman> _Groo_: sweet
[20:49] <JontheEchidna> It'd be neat if you could globally change the render backend from Qtconfig or something...
[20:49] <shtylman> did you have to recompile for raster support?
[20:49] <_Groo_> smarter: im not saying to enale opengl support which is VERY experimental in qt, but rasterm which is a modified 2d aceleration
[20:50] <smarter> _Groo_: I understood
[20:50] <smarter> but I was saying that OpenGL was The Way To Go ©
[20:50] <JontheEchidna> probably unfeasible since it's compile-time stuff at the moment
[20:50] <_Groo_> shtylman: yes, just enable graphicsystem raster in rules, but you can test per application
[20:50] <shtylman> gotcha
[20:50] <smarter> and making OpenGL support stable is a far better way to spend our time than trying to hack around raster
[20:51] <_Groo_> smarter: raster is already stable..
[20:51] <_Groo_> smarter: the few rendering problems where almosts all solved out with kde 4.2.2 (and further) and qt 4.5.1
[20:51] <JontheEchidna> I believe there are still some raster fixes in the pipeline for Qt 4.5.2
[20:51] <smarter> _Groo_: on your hardware
[20:51] <_Groo_> JontheEchidna: yes, but they are minimal
[20:51] <JontheEchidna> _Groo_: well, if a crash is minimal, then yes :P
[20:51] <_Groo_> smarter: trust me, my HW is evil, if its running great here it will run everywhere :D
[20:52] <smarter> raster is a lot less tested than the normal stuff, and as our QA is already bad, we can't afford changing stuff that will affect everybody
[20:52]  * JontheEchidna sees the /topic is tinyurl'd up
[20:52] <_Groo_> JontheEchidna: it depends on the crash :) crash on exit without data loss is minimal (ugly but minimal)
[20:53] <shtylman> if we introduce raster early in this cycle we can flush many of the small bugs out
[20:53] <smarter> even if it seems to work now, it's totally possible that any minor KDE release will break it
[20:53] <smarter> because devs don't use it
[20:53] <_Groo_> smarter: i sugest a "fork" then.. qt with native and qt with raster for the bold ones (since only changes a compile flag is feasible)
[20:53] <smarter> _Groo_: maitain that in a PPA
[20:53] <_Groo_> smarter: exactly
[20:53] <smarter> I'm pretty sure someone already does that actually
[20:53] <_Groo_> smarter: i do ;)
[20:53] <smarter> then everything is fine
[20:54] <_Groo_> smarter: and i report bugs also, both to kde and bespin, and everyone who has a raster crash...
[20:54] <_Groo_> raster has a lot of benefits, maybe further conversations with the kde project would be interesting
[20:59] <shtylman> does raster require code changes? I always thought it was a backend with optional code changes for more benefits
[21:01] <_Groo_> shtylman: no, its completely transparent for any qt/kde app.. just switch on the fly
[21:01] <shtylman> thats what I thought
[21:02] <shtylman> when some more people get back online from uds I think we should talk about it ... with upstream as well...the benefits might be work the initial risk
[21:02] <shtylman> *worth
[21:02] <_Groo_> shtylman: you already have it, just run 2d heavy apps like kmail or akregator with systemgraphic raster and check for yourself.. or konqueror, raster really speeds up scrolling
[21:03] <shtylman> is that a flag?
[21:03] <shtylman> didn't know you could do that :)
[21:03] <JontheEchidna> kmail -graphicssystem raster
[21:04] <_Groo_> shtylman: thats what im sugesting.. since you dont need no code changes (besides the kde bugs, but thats not raster fault), we could enable it for the karmic alphas and see the feedback.. to rollback we just need to release an updated package with native by defau;t.. that simple
[21:04] <_Groo_> shtylman: the inverse is true also.. if you have raster enabled by default and you have one bad app, you can use native by -graphicsystem native
[21:05] <vorian> hehe
[21:05] <vorian> QColor::setNamedColor: Unknown color name 'none'
[21:05] <_Groo_> same for opengl, -graphicsystem opengl.. but this one is VERY experimental and full of bugs.. raster is light years ahead
[21:08] <_Groo_> shtylman: tested it?
[21:09] <lex79> kmail suggests me that  JontheEchidna is come back :)
[21:09] <JontheEchidna> hehe
[21:09] <vorian> yeah, spammer
[21:10] <JontheEchidna> Y'all let the bug tracker go to pot when I'm gone for just two days :P
[21:10] <lex79> ahahh )
[21:10] <lex79> :)
[21:10] <shtylman> I just use the flag -graphicsystem raster right?
[21:10] <shtylman> _Groo_: ^
[21:11] <shtylman> tried with konq
[21:11] <shtylman> and said no such flag
[21:11] <shtylman> form e
[21:11] <shtylman> *for me
[21:11] <shtylman> hehe...typo my bad
[21:11] <shtylman> :)
[21:12] <shtylman> _Groo_: ooooooooo very smoooth.... :)
[21:13] <_Groo_> shtylman: you can always see whats avaible with app --help-all
[21:13] <shtylman> thx
[21:14] <_Groo_> shtylman: remember you can always revert back if using raster default with -graphicsystem native
[21:14] <shtylman> right
[21:14] <shtylman> well...seems like a no brainer
[21:14] <_Groo_> shtylman: kmail and akregator are also very fast
[21:14] <nixternal> neversfelde: bug 382206 does not build with the patch
[21:14] <shtylman> nice
[21:15] <_Groo_> shtylman: and since its a qt flag and not a kde one, you get the benefits for arora and other pure qt apps
[21:17] <_Groo_> shtylman: and like i said, i tested pratically every single decoration/theme, and the only one who was showing crashes on exit was bespin.. so i bugged the hell out of them, and they fixed it yesterday, its in bespin svn.. i can confirm that bespin is fixed :)
[21:17] <_Groo_> that with kde 4.3 beta 1... kde 4.2.x was not well tested with my machine
[21:17] <_Groo_> but was stable also
[21:25] <JontheEchidna> nixternal: have you looked at openctl yet? I looked at it briefly Friday but I think we're going to have to patch its CMakeLists.txt since it doesn't like our llvm version string
[21:26] <shtylman> _Groo_: all good things to here...we need to make sure this one doesn't fall through the cracks and we work towards setting it as the default
[21:27] <JontheEchidna> s/openctl/opengtl
[21:27] <_Groo_> shtylman: and how we do that?
[21:27] <JontheEchidna> opengtl wants the llvm version to be *exactly* 2.5 since it doesn't work with 2.4, but we have 2.5+svn
[21:28] <shtylman> _Groo_: bugging the hell out of Riddell and ScottK  is my best guess :)
[21:29] <shtylman> and talking to sebas about all the details reguarding it from the kde/qt side... I think he knows a bit more about where it is going and such
[21:40] <nixternal> JontheEchidna: haven't looked at it at all. Was I supposed to?
[21:41] <JontheEchidna> nixternal: dunno, but you were talking about it being borked so I wasn't sure
[21:41] <_Groo_> shtylman: bug them i will then :D
[21:41] <neversfelde> nixternal: thanks, I could swear the testbuild was successfull, but there is no package in /var/cache/pbuilder/karmic-i386/result, so I must be wrong :)
[21:41] <shtylman> :)
[21:41] <neversfelde> I will have another look at it
[21:41] <JontheEchidna> nixternal: oh, this is about a new upstream release. I should really stop thinking others will read my mind :D
[21:42] <_Groo_> shtylman: im very good sacrificing little kitties.. they should be sensible to that
[21:42] <shtylman> oh noes!
[21:42] <JontheEchidna> nixternal: just making sure you weren't working on it already before I went ahead and updated it
[21:42] <nixternal> neversfelde: no prob, let me know when you are ready and I will go ahead and sponsor it again
[21:43] <nixternal> JontheEchidna: hehe, :)  ya, I am not working on it
[21:43] <_Groo_> shtylman: and since i started helping out the radeon guys with dri2/kms my supply is in a all time low
[21:43] <shtylman> _Groo_: haha
[21:43] <nixternal> right now I am resetting up KVM/Qemu stuff as I think for autotesting ISOs it will be the win, vbox just doesn't allow me the options I need/want
[21:43] <nixternal> haven't used qemu in a couple of years, so I have to read the wiki to figure this out with the new ubuntu-vm-builder tools, which makes it so much easier
[21:43] <_Groo_> nixternal: what options you need that vbox doesnt have? oO
[21:44] <nixternal> creating a vm using kickstart or fai
[21:44] <_Groo_> nixternal: ah...
[21:45] <nixternal> there was another reason, but I can't think of it right now
[21:45] <nixternal> if I can figure it out with Qemu, then I can setup a virt machine where we can have it do automated iso tests
[21:45] <_Groo_> JontheEchidna: jon are you interested in uploading basket 2. alpha to backports? its usable for a couple months now.. i know the author and have been doing the packages and testing for them for almost a year now
[21:46] <shtylman> vbox has a really cool built in tftp server...found that really good for kickstart stuff
[21:48] <mgraesslin> Riddell: ping
[21:55] <jjesse> afternoon
[21:56] <vorian> hi jjesse
[21:58] <_Groo_> hi jjesse
[22:01] <JontheEchidna> _Groo_: basket 2 alpha would have to go to karmic before backports
[22:02] <_Groo_> JontheEchidna: ah ok.. should i send the diff to you?
[22:02] <_Groo_> JontheEchidna: the guys really need more exposure, they need more hands
[22:02] <JontheEchidna> so upstream condones this?
[22:02]  * JontheEchidna also wonders how broken/useless the kde3 basket is at the moment
[22:04]  * JontheEchidna also notes that they haven't done a good job advertising the alphas
[22:06] <JontheEchidna> I went to basket.kde.org -> kde-look page -> basket version2 page on basket.kde.org
[22:06] <_Groo_> JontheEchidna: im gonna write an article about kde pearls (not so well know kde liitle jems ), and ill ask for developers.. maybe a little monkey dance included
[22:07] <vorian> lol
[22:07] <_Groo_> JontheEchidna: http://github.com/kelvie/basket.git
[22:08] <_Groo_> JontheEchidna: also my ppa has a build from a few weeks ago ~paulo.miguel.dias
[22:08] <vorian> weird
[22:09] <_Groo_> vorian: ?
[22:10] <_Groo_> JontheEchidna: alpha is more usable then kde3 thats for sure.. and faster too
[22:10] <vorian> nothing, I'm just tinking outloud
[22:11] <_Groo_> ahhh new bilbo... off to ppa you go
[22:15] <neversfelde> _Groo_: bilbo blogger?
[22:16] <_Groo_> neversfelde: yep, git updated
[22:16]  * _Groo_ is a git/svn junkie
[22:16]  * _Groo_ is a package creator mean,lean,stupid machine :D
[22:16] <neversfelde> ok, no 1.0 release then
[22:17] <_Groo_> neversfelde: not yet
[22:17] <neversfelde> I am waiting for it to complete my package
[22:17] <_Groo_> neversfelde: but 0.9 is very very VERY good indeed
[22:17] <neversfelde> but has some license problems
[22:17] <neversfelde> upstream promised to fix it
[22:18] <_Groo_> neversfelde: ah ok.. legal stuff..
[22:36] <Riddell> hhi
[22:36] <Riddell> nb hg.i
[22:54] <lemma> JontheEchidna: ping
[22:54] <JontheEchidna> lemma: pong
[22:55] <lemma> JontheEchidna: yes, the fix for 325009 missed 4.2.4 tagging by a day or so. and I think it's safe to still patch it
[22:55] <JontheEchidna> okie-doke, thanks
[22:55] <lemma> alright :)
[22:55] <lemma> see you
[23:05] <freeflying> Riddell: hi, would u like check my kubuntu mail address's alias?
[23:14] <neversfelde> nixternal: kdenlive builds now, I uploaded the diff.gz again and subscribed ubuntu-universe-sponsors
[23:15] <neversfelde> if I did something wrong I will have to do it tomorrow, cause time to sleep. gn8 :)
[23:18] <nixternal> looking now, thanks!
[23:38] <nixternal> weird, kvm/qemu == poop for me and I can't figure out why
[23:38] <nixternal> VirtualBox == solid and fast