[10:41] <macvr> SiDi: hi... could u hav a look at the breathe submissions wiki... i'v uploaded another set, changed the nm-50 color too :) ...  any comments?
[10:41] <SiDi> alright, give me a sec
[10:41] <SiDi> im jubilating for my first gstreamer hello world app compiling and working !
[10:42] <macvr> whats the hello world app? any links?
[10:42] <SiDi> Heh, its just watching for volume change signals
[10:43] <macvr> ok...
[10:43] <SiDi> I like that little glow around the signal stripes
[10:43] <SiDi> how does it render in 24x24 though ?
[10:44] <macvr> the glow? faintly...
[10:44] <macvr> if the glow is a little larger then it looks horrible in 24x24!
[10:44] <SiDi> please render the icons and add them to submissions :P
[10:44] <SiDi> <- lazy
[10:45] <macvr> should u use gimp to convert them to 24x24 or how do i scale in inkscape?
[10:45] <macvr> ^I
[10:46] <SiDi> you should use inkscape
[10:46] <SiDi> ctrl+shift+e to render to bitmap
[10:46] <SiDi> well, i suppose its the way to do
[10:47] <SiDi> youu might want to ask the actual Breathe devs :]
[10:47] <macvr> oh i just use the 128x128 to render the 24x4 png?
[10:48] <SiDi> dont resize png's :p
[10:48] <SiDi> use the svg to make lower resolution png's
[10:48] <SiDi> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Ebreathe-dev/breathe-icon-set/trunk/download/head:/breathe_icon_templat-20080905042226-bvdzo9fb8th94dyh-3/Breathe_Icon_Template.svg?file_id=template-20080905042226-bvdzo9fb8th94dyh-2
[10:49] <macvr> ok... i was about to resize in gimp...! just now saw the option to resize as png..,!
[10:49] <macvr> ah not the template... ! i get headaches trying to figure it out :P
[10:53] <SiDi> :p
[10:54] <SiDi> you _must_ use it for submissions :D
[10:56] <macvr> it is just "recomended" :P
[11:10] <macvr> SiDi: uploaded the 24x24 .. :)
[11:12] <SiDi> I barely see the antenna now ^^
[11:12] <SiDi> but the stripes look quite good
[11:12] <macvr> yeah ... the antannae is just to maintain the aspect of the wireless icon :P...
[11:13] <SiDi> i'll test them live later and see what it gives with my panel
[11:13] <macvr> i tested these colors with light/dark/transparent panels... works fine
[11:15] <macvr> SiDi: u use xubuntu right? is there an icon set brave /bravo? i think it has similar wireless icons but all green... do u have the icon set?
[11:16] <SiDi> hm
[11:16] <SiDi> i use xubuntu yeh
[11:16] <SiDi> but i use Human/breathe as an icon theme :p
[11:16] <SiDi> the gnome-brave ones are similar yeh
[11:17] <macvr> its just i saw the icon set in xubuntu and would like to compare if i could make any improvements... could u upload the set to the web?
[11:18] <SiDi> err, download it from gnome-look ;)
[11:18] <SiDi> or install xubuntu-artwork \o/
[11:18] <macvr> is it there?
[11:18] <SiDi> yeh
[11:19] <macvr> i tried searching... let me look again!
[13:21] <macvr> _MMA_: hi... have u checked the ones i'v uploaded today, are they better ?
[13:23] <_MMA_> macvr: I think they are. I want kwwii (since he's done like icon) or Sebastien to chime in on the mailing list.
[13:25] <macvr> _MMA_:ok.. oh... i forgot the mailing list... i'll send a mail too..
[13:25] <_MMA_> np
[13:26] <_MMA_> macvr: Only a few people are subscribed to the page edits.
[13:26] <macvr> _MMA_: yeah... i keep forgetting the mailing list...!
[13:27] <SiDi> I actually stopped following the page edits cause of massive spam it generates, personally :]
[13:27] <_MMA_> hahaha. Like the list isn't. :P
[13:28] <SiDi> _MMA_, btw i understand your point about moderated lists :D there have been a few epic "contributions" lately. Like that solaris manzur guy
[13:29] <_MMA_> SiDi: I'm on so many lists can you gimmie a link?
[13:29]  * _MMA_ also got off some lately though.
[13:30] <SiDi> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-art/2009-May/author.html bottom of page
[13:33] <_MMA_> Oh I forgot all about him.
[13:33] <_MMA_> There will always be people who have an opposing view.
[13:34] <SiDi> well, it would be good if he was actually capable of explaining his point of view :]
[13:34] <SiDi> instead of trolling so hard
[13:34] <_MMA_> What will kill alot of people is that we're not doing something Tango-esque. And the fact that it's a design decision.
[13:36] <_MMA_> Well I dont think English is his native language. So folks like that often use words that at their face seem very harsh for a native speaker.
[13:36] <SiDi> true
[20:45] <pinheiro> hey
[20:45] <pinheiro> any one here from the brethe icon set?
[20:45] <SiDi> not at the moment, afaik
[20:46] <SiDi> got a message for them ? :P
[20:46] <pinheiro> no just wondering what it was
[20:46] <pinheiro> :)
[20:46] <pinheiro> seams prety based on oxygen and as oxygen maintainer i was wondering :)
[20:46] <SiDi> its based on oxygen indeed :)
[20:47] <SiDi> "Because Human needs Oxygen" is the subtitle of Breathe
[20:47] <pinheiro> :)
[20:49] <pinheiro> cheking it out
[20:49] <pinheiro> its prety difrent
[20:51] <pinheiro> couple of icons are oxygen
[20:51] <SiDi> its orange, maybe ? :P
[20:51] <pinheiro> but most no
[20:52] <pinheiro> yeah very orange
[20:52] <SiDi> they designed all the icons on their own, some are heavily based on oxygen, and some have been created from scratch
[20:52] <pinheiro> and my gess alot of difrent people working on them
[20:52] <pinheiro> couple of difrent styles
[20:53] <pinheiro> but best of luck on the project
[20:53] <pinheiro> seams a prety cool idea
[20:53] <SiDi> Not that many people actually
[20:53] <SiDi> most of the icons are from about 3/4 people
[20:53] <SiDi> but they did an awesome work :P Its rare to see actively developed icon themes
[20:54] <pinheiro> yeah
[20:54] <pinheiro> its a monster work
[20:55] <pinheiro> a complete icon set is in the range of the 2500 icons
[20:55] <pinheiro> fredesktop is just about 400 i think
[20:55] <pinheiro> still quite a big work
[20:55] <SiDi> well, there are many symlinks though
[20:56] <SiDi> if major DEs would agree on cleaning their icons' naming it would help a lot
[20:56] <pinheiro> ooo that is doen
[20:56] <pinheiro> done
[20:56] <pinheiro> check out full oxygen
[20:56] <pinheiro> its all fredesktop naming compatible
[20:57] <pinheiro> at least all ok kde is or iss soon becoming completly freedesktop naming compatible
[20:58] <SiDi> i wouldnt say the same of xfce^^ there are a few weird names here n there
[20:58] <pinheiro> in all icons not just the specific fredesktop ones
[20:58] <pinheiro> SiDi: some one needs to talk to  xfce^^ people then
[20:58] <pinheiro> :)
[20:59] <pinheiro> i have a prety hard time convincing the kde developers
[20:59] <SiDi> oh well, i dont think they have the time to go through it all now :P ill file bug reports one day or another, and provide patches wherever i can
[20:59] <SiDi> KDE has like 10x more developers than xfce, if not more
[21:00] <pinheiro> actualy we removed oxygen from kdebase to kdesuport so we can control that so developers just use the icons from oxygen
[21:00] <SiDi> whats the difference ?
[21:00] <pinheiro> they dont include icons any more
[21:00] <SiDi> im totally ignorant about kde stuff :D
[21:00] <pinheiro> oxygen is a dependency
[21:00] <pinheiro> a kde app as no icons
[21:01] <pinheiro> its dependent on oxygen
[21:01] <pinheiro> that avoids the usual icon duplication
[21:02] <pinheiro> so we are creting a rather large colection of good icons names
[21:02] <SiDi> wow, im not understanding at all :D
[21:02] <pinheiro> :)
[21:03] <pinheiro> say app xyz they nedd 23 icons
[21:03] <pinheiro> for all theyr tasks
[21:03] <pinheiro> oxygen makes those icons and names them
[21:03] <SiDi> and it only installs these ?
[21:03] <pinheiro> no
[21:03] <pinheiro> they require oxygen as a dependency
[21:03] <SiDi> hm, so you let KDE devs chose the icons they need and you _make_ the icons ?
[21:03] <pinheiro> yeap
[21:04] <pinheiro> http://tinyurl.com/33qfzs
[21:04] <pinheiro> hey swalko
[21:05] <SiDi> Wow ! :P
[21:05] <pinheiro> yes oxygen makes the icons and names them in a fredesktop way
[21:05] <pinheiro> that avoids duplication
[21:05] <pinheiro> making the same icon for 3 difrent apps and every time a bit difrently
[21:06] <swalko> pinheiro: hi
[21:08] <pinheiro> swalko: cheking out what breath is
[21:08] <pinheiro> :)
[21:09] <swalko> pinheiro: breathe?
[21:10] <pinheiro> https://launchpad.net/breathe-icon-set
[21:10] <swalko> pinheiro: for me breathe isnt as good as it want to be or as it may be
[21:11] <pinheiro> well oxygen took alot of time to define its style
[21:11] <pinheiro> was the worts part of the process
[21:11] <pinheiro> about 2 years
[21:12] <pinheiro> so i would give them time
[21:12] <swalko> pinheiro: you and oxygen in overall have experience
[21:12] <swalko> pinheiro: in creating icons and things around
[21:13] <pinheiro> yes
[21:13] <pinheiro> experience is aquiered by doing stuf
[21:13] <swalko> pinheiro: like creatings small icon sizes, exporting and etc
[21:13] <pinheiro> yeah
[21:14] <swalko> pinheiro: i created only one or two icons for oxygen, but it was big experience for me to work with you and oxygen too
[21:14] <pinheiro> was i meen?
[21:15] <pinheiro> i usualy am
[21:15] <pinheiro> :P
[21:15] <pinheiro> bit of a ovely critical person
[21:15] <pinheiro> so if i was plese sory
[21:15] <pinheiro> onestly
[21:17] <swalko> pinheiro: i am critical too, your critics was my motor :)
[21:17] <pinheiro> :)
[21:17] <pinheiro> any way best of luck for breath
[21:17] <pinheiro> there is not enough orange in the world
[21:17] <pinheiro> :D
[21:18] <swalko> pinheiro: :)
[21:18] <pinheiro> we alrady took blue :P
[21:40] <pinheiro> hehehehe just been declied as a member of the breathe team :)
[21:40] <pinheiro> hehehehhe
[21:49] <dashua> SiDi: Rev. 37 when you get a change.  Should be a bit more consistent.
[21:49] <dashua> chance*
[21:50] <SiDi> pulled :D
[21:50] <dashua> If it looks good to you and have time for xwfm, I'll make a page and a release
[21:50] <dashua> .1
[21:51] <SiDi> great :)
[21:51] <dashua> :)
[21:51] <SiDi> ill do the xfwm in a few days then
[21:51] <dashua> Awesome
[21:52] <dashua> I need to figure out releases on launchpad
[21:52] <dashua> Should be fairly simple
[21:52] <SiDi> but i'll make an alternate xfwm4 folder with the previous metacity too, cause i <3'd it :D
[21:52] <dashua> Ok np
[21:52] <SiDi> yeh. you just make the deb, and go post a big "RELEASED" on planet
[21:52] <dashua> Ha, I have no planet axx
[21:53] <SiDi> me neither ^^
[21:53] <dashua> Maybe I'll try for membership some day, but I do not feel worthy enough just yet =/
[21:55] <dashua> Does the old metacity still look good with the newest revision?
[21:55] <dashua> I guess it would.
[21:55] <dashua> All dark.
[21:55] <dashua> - the gradient
[21:59] <SiDi> Yes it does :)
[21:59] <SiDi> the toolbar color isnt the same
[21:59] <dashua> Ironic, Breathe is missing from Ubuntu-Art.org
[21:59] <SiDi> but with the same color i think it'd be sexy-ish
[21:59] <SiDi> oh :P indeed
[22:00] <dashua> I'll see if I can match the colors (old metacity)