[00:42] <hggdh> #ubuntu-bugs-announce is back, sorry for the delay
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[04:40] <Kangarooo> ok one big bug with keyboards.. I installed ubuntu and it was working with one kaybord.. it broke. so I put anotherone thrue that old port(other then usb) and on start its not working and num lock is off.. I restart and when im clicking it at grub many times then after loading logo its working .. what to do?
[04:50] <affdklfsjsdf> this will help you http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0
[04:58] <affdklfsjsdf> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufPtzJvHGA8
[05:01] <Kangarooo> I have updated one bug with keybords.. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/190834 keyboard freezes on boot--sometimes
[05:01] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 190834 in linux "keyboard freezes on boot--sometimes" [Medium,Incomplete]
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[09:05] <xteejx> Morning all!
[09:07] <micahg1> morning
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[09:09] <xteejx> hey micahg
[09:09] <xteejx> thought i would be the only one awake this early (UK anyway)
[09:09] <micahg> I'm just up too late in Chicago :)
[09:10] <xteejx> damn, must be 2-3am there?
[09:10] <micahg> 3AM :)
[09:10] <xteejx> lol sod that
[09:10] <micahg> about to go to bed
[09:10] <xteejx> heh i just got up :)
[09:12] <xteejx> micahg, well good night chicago :)
[09:13] <micahg> night in a few
[09:13] <xteejx> not too tired just yet then lol
[09:18] <xteejx> Is Karmic LTS?
[09:18] <micahg1> no
[09:18] <xteejx> just hardy and dapper then?
[09:19] <micahg1> unless something changed at UDS
[09:19] <micahg1> yep
[09:19] <xteejx> ok thanks micah :)
[09:19] <micahg1> next year sometime probably will probably be LTS
[09:21] <micahg1> ok
[09:21] <micahg1> off to sleep
[09:21] <Hobbsee> 10.04 is the planned LTS release.
[09:24] <xteejx> a full year away, fair enough :)
[09:26] <xteejx> What does it mean in LP when the version history says "orphaned" does that mean the maintainer doesn't bother with it anymore?
[09:27] <jmarsden> Yes, basically.
[09:28] <jmarsden> See http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/orphaned for a big list of them :)
[09:30] <xteejx> jmarsden, thanks :)
[09:30] <jmarsden> No problem.
[09:31] <xteejx> What happens to any bug reports filed against them then? I assume with no maintainers, and being an orphaned package its pretty pointless?
[09:31] <xteejx> Hi bencrisford
[09:32] <bencrisford> Morning xteejx
[09:32] <bencrisford> Ruddy hell.  Im up early! :(
[09:32] <xteejx> 9:32am on a Sunday morning.... GOD!
[09:32] <xteejx> just had that same thought lol
[09:32] <bencrisford> :P
[09:33] <xteejx> ben you package dont you?
[09:33] <bencrisford> kind of
[09:33] <bencrisford> im pretty crap
[09:33] <xteejx> ^^ my question?
[09:33] <bencrisford> i dont understand ?
[09:33] <xteejx> if an orphaned package gets bug reports filed against it, what happens?
[09:34] <bencrisford> orphaned as in - no maintainer?
[09:34] <xteejx> yup
[09:34] <bencrisford> if its in ubuntu, generally, the maintainer should be the motu team
[09:34] <bencrisford> so if you mention it has no maintainer
[09:34] <bencrisford> tell the bug fixer to add that to debian/contrl
[09:35] <xteejx> it's already in the control file
[09:35] <bencrisford> well then you triage the bug
[09:35] <xteejx> its balazarbrothers, i mean there are 5 bug reports against it
[09:35] <bencrisford> !info balazarbrothers
[09:35] <xteejx> you'll be lucky
[09:35] <ubot4> bencrisford: balazarbrothers (source: balazarbrothers): 3D puzzle game. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0~rc1-2 (jaunty), package size 10005 kB, installed size 23856 kB
[09:35] <xteejx> ooo
[09:36] <xteejx> universe.....hmmmm with no dev touching it anymore, is this now sustained in Ubuntu by our MOTU?
[09:36] <xteejx> i.e. bugfixes only?
[09:36] <bencrisford> you just triage the bugs as normal
[09:37] <bencrisford> its not the devs job to fix bugs
[09:37] <bencrisford> its anyone who wants to
[09:37] <bencrisford> but often the lesspopular packages dont get touched
[09:37] <xteejx> ahh right
[09:37] <xteejx> well after 3 months of incomplete its gone anyway
[09:40] <bencrisford> after several long comments, and much inconvenience, this is the bug reporters response:
[09:40] <bencrisford> "Sorry to have lost your time. Problem was that the partition to which /home is mounted was full (100%)."
[09:44] <xteejx> bencrisford ?? where did that come from? lol
[09:45] <bencrisford> that guy who's desktop didnt load
[09:45] <xteejx> you gotta be kidding?
[09:46] <bencrisford> nope
[09:46] <bencrisford> i should of knows
[09:46] <bencrisford> known*
[09:46] <xteejx> but still.....that *shouldn't* stop ubuntu loading up
[09:46] <bencrisford> i had that problem on jaunty alpha after i filled up my partition
[09:46] <bencrisford> it would
[09:46] <xteejx> why would it?
[09:46] <bencrisford> because you need disk space to do a "swap" or whatever its called
[09:46] <xteejx> thats what a swap partition is for....
[09:47] <bencrisford> meh, maybe he hasnt got one
[09:47] <xteejx> he has to have
[09:47] <bencrisford> maybe he went in to that too
[09:48] <xteejx> linux as standard doesn't use a swap file, it uses an entire partition so hard drive storage is as contiguous as possible
[09:48] <bencrisford> well i dunno :/
[09:48] <xteejx> i would say it's still a bug, a full /home partition shouldn't really stop the desktop loading, its a bug
[09:49] <xteejx> for argument sake ask him for a full partition list
[09:49] <bencrisford> *sigh*
[09:49] <xteejx> i.e. amount/size/free space
[09:49]  * bencrisford already marked as invalid
[09:49] <xteejx> unmark it  then :P
[09:49] <bencrisford> i dont have time, i have a 1000 word essay to write
[09:50] <bencrisford> havent started yet
[09:50] <xteejx> trust me you'd rather i told you than someone else lol
[09:50] <xteejx> gimme the bug number ;)
[09:50] <bencrisford> bug 381901
[09:50] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 381901 in ubuntu "No desktop after login, after fresh install of 9.04" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/381901
[09:50] <Hobbsee> there's already a bug, and a spec, on that.
[09:51] <Hobbsee> so either find the original, and dupe it, or leave it
[09:51] <Hobbsee> come to think of it, there are probably many bugs on that that should probably be duped together, somewhere
[09:52] <bencrisford> xteejx: Can you link me to somee balazarbrothers bugs please :), i wanna take to look
[09:52] <xteejx> Hobbsee, so it's definitely a bug then if the home partition is full, it should still work, right?
[09:53] <Hobbsee> xteejx: yes, I would think so
[09:53] <xteejx> i'll scout around for that dupe
[09:53] <Hobbsee> or at least, it should be transparent and say what the problem is and offer a solution
[09:53] <Hobbsee> not sure what it's under - google may be the easiest way to search for it
[09:55] <xteejx> you know what, I can't actually find a dupe...
[09:59] <Hobbsee> xteejx: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/22842 is one i found.  gdm may have more
[09:59] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 22842 in ubuntu "Many programs misbehave when running out of disk space" [High,Confirmed]
[09:59] <xteejx> ah haaaaaaaa looks good :: GDM wouldn't let me
[09:59] <xteejx> log back in, since it couldn't "write my authentication file
[09:59] <xteejx> damn you're good Hobbsee :D hehe
[10:00] <Hobbsee> xteejx: it took two google searches to fidn that, os it was certainly hard.
[10:00] <Hobbsee> xteejx: but i've had lots of practice, and that helps ;)
[10:00] <xteejx> i couldn't find the bugger hehe
[10:00] <Hobbsee> there's certainly a spec though - i remember seeing it
[10:02] <xteejx> ahhh....thats REAAAALLLLY old though
[10:02] <xteejx> bencrisford, Don't worry about that one anymore it's been duped ;)
[10:03] <Hobbsee> xteejx: well, they haven't found a great solution to it yet, so ;)
[10:04] <jmarsden> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HandleNicelyLowDiskSpace   os probably the spec concerned?
[10:04] <xteejx> just had a look at that wiki page hehe
[10:04] <Hobbsee> yeah, that looks promising
[10:04] <Hobbsee> i think i saw a session on it at one of the UDS' i went to
[10:04] <Hobbsee> don't remember which it was
[10:05] <xteejx> its quite a "possibly harmful" bug though....plenty of people might want to fill up a partition with downloads and other crap
[10:05] <bencrisford> it harmed me
[10:06] <Hobbsee> indeed.
[10:06] <bencrisford> i filled up my jaunty alpha partition
[10:06] <bencrisford> couldnt boot
[10:06] <bencrisford> i just got a blank desktop
[10:06] <bencrisford> i had my background
[10:06] <bencrisford> but nothing else
[10:06] <Hobbsee> it's one of those things that really needs to get fixed, but no one's come up with a good way to do so
[10:06] <bencrisford> and i cant delete it from the GRUB
[10:06] <bencrisford> and the partition wont delete :'(
[10:06] <xteejx> dont get me wrong a workaround would be nice....but why not even a simple warning box with an option to run janitor?
[10:06] <Hobbsee> ultimately, what do you do?  if /home is full, you either delete many user config files (bad) or user files (also bad)
[10:07] <xteejx> give them the option to backup with brasero to disk?? ;)
[10:07] <Hobbsee> xteejx: I assume that once you get the "disk is full" messages, then you're prevented from writing to disk, at all
[10:07] <Hobbsee> so stuff like nautilus and all that won't start.
[10:07] <xteejx> hmmm i guess not
[10:08] <xteejx> catch 22 really...
[10:08] <Hobbsee> my suspicion is that you never get far enough that it becomes an option
[10:08] <xteejx> true, i suppose they wouldve done that if they could
[10:08] <Hobbsee> I suspect hte only solution is "you have less than 200mb free" (or whatever hte limit gets set at), you need to either resize, or delete some stuff, before your next boot
[10:09] <Hobbsee> <open browser>  <ignore>
[10:09] <jmarsden> Hobbsee: Weird thought: If the /home is ext2 or ext3, you can maybe detect this issue at boot time, and run tune2fs to let normal users use the space normally reserved for root only... and also set up something so when teh user does get logged in to the GUI they are provided with a tool for deleting stuff?
[10:09] <Hobbsee> in a dialog box
[10:09] <xteejx> i was just thinking that, or have say a reserved space just FOR this situation where a small amount say 50-100MB is buffered
[10:10] <xteejx> actually thats not a bloody bad idea....
[10:10] <Hobbsee> xteejx: now that sounds promising.  no idea on feasibility, though
[10:10] <xteejx> ^^ jmarsden
[10:10] <Hobbsee> jmarsden: no idea on the former, and the latter - i don't think you get to a GUI, due to the lack of space.
[10:10] <Hobbsee> you certainly don't get nautilus
[10:10] <xteejx> they get X, just not GDM
[10:11] <xteejx> couldnt nautilus be invoked before GDM....ahh but that causes security issues...... damn#
[10:11] <bencrisford> xteejx: I wanna see some balazarbrothers bugs, Do you have a link :)
[10:11] <Hobbsee> well, X without GDM's not so helpful
[10:11] <jmarsden> Right, but if you did tune2fs -m 0 /dev/whatever, they'd get GDM... I think it's doable as long as there *is* some reserved space on the /home partition ?
[10:11] <xteejx> http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/balazarbrothers ?
[10:11] <jmarsden> I used to do this by hand do this on servers back when hard drives were a lot smaller than they are now :)
[10:12] <xteejx> yeah its about 5 MB
[10:12] <jmarsden> is that enough for GDM's needs?
[10:12] <xteejx> for the temp GDM session file
[10:12] <xteejx> thats the root cause
[10:12]  * Hobbsee wonders if the new gdm handles this better.
[10:12] <Hobbsee> iirc, we've still got the old gdm in jaunty?
[10:13] <xteejx> ! info gdm jaunty
[10:13] <xteejx> !info gdm jaunty
[10:13] <ubot4> xteejx: gdm (source: gdm): GNOME Display Manager. In component main, is optional. Version 2.20.10-0ubuntu2 (jaunty), package size 1985 kB, installed size 16136 kB
[10:13] <xteejx> !info gdm karmic
[10:13] <ubot4> xteejx: karmic is not a valid distribution ['hardy', 'intrepid', 'jaunty']
[10:13] <Hobbsee> not sure what the version of the rewrite is
[10:13] <xteejx> ffs
[10:13] <xteejx> "karmic is not a valid distribution ['hardy', 'intrepid', 'jaunty']" says you ubottu lol
[10:14] <Pfiffer> Hey, can anyone tell me what team I need to join to be able to mark bugs as wishlist?
[10:14] <xteejx> Pfiffer, Apply for Bug Control Team
[10:14] <Hobbsee> jussi01: any chance of fixing that? That's yours, isn't it?
[10:14] <Pfiffer> xteejx: Cool, thank you
[10:14] <jussi01> Hobbsee: what?
[10:14] <xteejx> Pfiffer, no problem, there are instructions on the wiki
[10:14] <Hobbsee> jussi01: ubot4 and karmic
[10:15] <jussi01> Hobbsee: no, ubot4 is jpds iirc, but ask in #ubuntu-irc
[10:16] <jmarsden> xteejx: There is usually going to be way more than 5MB of reserved space on /home to play with, so if someone wanted to explore this, I think it would be workable on many machines... I have a 100GB /home here and it seems to have around 4GB of reserved space... that's *plenty* for GDM :)
[10:16] <Hobbsee> jussi01: ah
[10:17] <xteejx> jmarsden, I would think that would be enough to write GDM code in 0's and 1's lol
[10:17] <jmarsden> I hope we don't need to ask users to do that though :)
[10:17] <xteejx> hehe
[10:19] <xteejx> Surely the kernel should be the thing detecting this low disk space firstly though, so the first thing I assume would need changing would be that.
[10:20] <jmarsden> Why?  That ties the kernel into knowing about /home being needed by GDM, etc etc... seems odd to do that at kernel level to me when a script can do it at boot time?
[10:21] <xteejx> hmm i suppose so ;)
[10:22] <jmarsden> Also you'd have weird issues on embedded systems with tiny flash disks if you weren't very careful :)
[10:22] <xteejx> It could be very bad indeed though, especially with the bug where log files are written to GB of data - very worrying
[10:22] <xteejx> actually that's true
[10:22] <jmarsden> xteejx: Well, for that you need a well configured machine so /var is a separate partition...
[10:23] <xteejx> I'm assuming the same would be a problem on ANY partition, not just /home
[10:23] <jmarsden> Why?  Does GDM need to write to every partition I have mounted??
[10:23] <xteejx> No, no.
[10:24] <xteejx> But X log gets written to /var/log doesn't it? With no space on the / partition, would it be the same problem?
[10:24] <jmarsden> On servers I often make /var/log a separate partition.  Then if it fills, a script can email me that it filled up.  My email is not under /var/log, so I get the email and fix the issue...
[10:24] <xteejx> I very much doubt most users would have that...it isn't even a recommended setup during installation
[10:25] <xteejx> Oh well, if there's a spec for it, can only hope that it's fixed soon!!
[10:25] <jmarsden> I'd be surprised if filling /var/log kills X.  and yes, I know that's not common... filling up a few hundred GB of disk is not that common either...
[10:25] <xteejx> lol
[10:27] <jmarsden> back when a 4GB disk was *huge*, filling partitions up was a lot more common :)  Anyway... I need to get some sleep... goodnight!
[10:29] <xteejx> night :)
[10:41] <Pfiffer> Well, I applied for Ubuntu Bug Control.
[10:45] <xteejx> Pfiffer, OK, now just sit back and wait, you need 2 or more votes FOR your application, plus an OK from Brian Murray.
[10:46] <Pfiffer> Awesome. Guess I'll go to sleep then. Later.
[10:46] <xteejx> see ya
[11:07] <bencrisford> What do you guys make of this - http://i39.tinypic.com/15g9xf5.jpg
[11:08] <bencrisford1> Whaddya make of that screenie then?
[12:04] <bencrisford> !info ldm
[12:04] <ubot4> bencrisford: ldm (source: ldm): LTSP display manager. In component main, is optional. Version 2:2.0.38-0ubuntu5 (jaunty), package size 65 kB, installed size 452 kB
[12:05] <bencrisford> !info italc
[12:05] <ubot4> bencrisford: Package italc does not exist in jaunty
[12:05] <bencrisford> !info gartoon
[12:05] <ubot4> bencrisford: Package gartoon does not exist in jaunty
[12:06] <bencrisford> !info gcompris
[12:06] <ubot4> bencrisford: gcompris (source: gcompris): Educational games for small children. In component main, is optional. Version 8.4.4-1.1ubuntu4 (jaunty), package size 523 kB, installed size 1740 kB
[12:50] <kwk> Hello I have a problem with my Ubuntu 9.04 RAID 1 Installation when trying to configure GRUB. Here's my RAID setup http://paste.ubuntuusers.de/395310/ and here is the tutorial I used: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FakeRaidHowto. The proposed step is "grub> device (hd0) /dev/mapper/isw_beeaakeeaa_five" which I changed to "grub> device (hd0) /dev/mapper/isw_djfcejfjjb_Volume01" in my case. The error is: "Error 15: File not found"
[12:58] <askand> bug 314212 is not fixed and I wonder what parts to set to confirmed again and what parts should say fix released?
[12:58] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 314212 in python-apt "Apport unable to report crash -  urlopen error timed out" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/314212
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[14:21] <askand> kklimonda: hi! I got a crash with your transmission package and was able to get a backtrace from the crashfile
[14:21] <askand> kklimonda: http://pastebin.com/m17f6c698
[15:37] <kklimonda> askand: thanks, I'll ask developer does it make any sense to him. :)
[15:53] <bencrisford> is there a perl compiler that lets you compile the code into a standalone executable
[15:54] <bencrisford> because the interpreters really not-useful for me
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[18:16] <xteejx> hey guys
[18:17] <bencrisford> hey
[18:22] <xteejx> hey ben, micahg
[18:22] <xteejx> have a nice sleep? lol
[18:23] <micahg> indeed xteejx
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[22:31] <BUGabundo1> kklimonda: hey... pvt please
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[23:17] <Flare183> What is the bug announcement channel?
[23:18] <hggdh> #ubuntu-bugs-announce
[23:19] <hggdh> Flare183, ^^
[23:20] <Flare183> hggdh: Thanks
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