| nixternal | hey, whats up with KDE 4.3 Beta 1 mucking up the plasma panel llke it does? | 01:02 |
|---|---|---|
| lex79 | JontheEchidna: plasma-widget-droptoimageshack is in queue since 13 May, is normal? | 03:13 |
| JontheEchidna | lex79: everybody's away at UDS, so it's not normal but it is also expected | 03:15 |
| lex79 | ok | 03:16 |
| * ScottK waves. | 03:28 | |
| ScottK | Is back from UDS and already left on his next trip ... | 03:28 |
| vorian | join facebook thingy | 03:29 |
| ScottK | That's mean I'd have to actually care about my facebook account? | 03:36 |
| * ScottK has one, but only because it's a requirement for the kids to have facebook that they friend us. | 03:36 | |
| nixternal | hey, we are ubuntu, we are free...JOIN FACEBOOK! | 07:46 |
| Tm_T | nixternal: ER?! | 07:46 |
| nixternal | people wanting you to join facebook for ubuntu, and now ubuntu developers | 07:46 |
| nixternal | ya, like I need more virtual friends | 07:46 |
| Tm_T | nixternal: yes, you have me, so you have all you need | 07:46 |
| nixternal | exactly, thank you :) | 07:47 |
| Tm_T | you're my pawn, muhahahahahahaha! | 07:47 |
| * Tm_T hides | 07:47 | |
| nixternal | hey now | 07:47 |
| nixternal | the love was ok, but pawning me took it to far ;p | 07:47 |
| * Tm_T huggles nixternal | 07:47 | |
| nixternal | just finished catching up on "The Hills" on MTV | 07:47 |
| nixternal | I am such a loser | 07:47 |
| nixternal | but I am addicted to that show | 07:47 |
| Tm_T | glad I have no idea what you're talking about | 07:48 |
| nixternal | I thought everyone knew what the hills was, guess not...now that is what I call deprived :p | 07:50 |
| Tm_T | nixternal: well, I don't watch MTV or other that kind of channels in the first place (;) | 07:52 |
| nixternal | I didn't either, but my x-girlfriend got me freakin' addicted | 07:52 |
| nixternal | before the hills it was leguna beach...god I am a loser | 07:52 |
| Tm_T | nixternal: come here so we can fix you | 07:52 |
| Tm_T | we have to save you from yourself | 07:53 |
| nixternal | hahaha | 07:53 |
| nixternal | holy shit, what was rgreening and sebas thinking with barbie world? that right there is enough to make me quit KDE ;p | 07:56 |
| Tm_T | ? | 07:56 |
| nixternal | look at the planet | 07:56 |
| nixternal | embarassing | 07:56 |
| nixternal | at least I do Ice Ice Baby | 07:56 |
| Tm_T | which planet? | 07:57 |
| Tm_T | oh, Ubuntu | 07:57 |
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| === k4v is now known as m4v | ||
| Tm_T | apachelogger is gone ): | 10:21 |
| sebas | nixternal: ssth, don't spread it even more :D | 11:19 |
| Riddell | ug, /me has deadly UDS plauge | 11:29 |
| Riddell | freeflying: how do you mean check your mail alias? | 11:29 |
| Riddell | Tm_T: gone where? | 11:31 |
| Tm_T | well not in channel | 11:33 |
| Tm_T | wanted to discuss about jingle | 11:33 |
| freeflying | Riddell: can't get any mail been sent to zhengpeng-hou AT kubuntu.org | 11:37 |
| Riddell | freeflying: you didn't renew your membership of kubuntu-members "Expired on 2009-04-12" | 11:40 |
| * Nightrose reads http://drowninginbugs.blogspot.com/2009/06/action-items-from-uds-barcelona.html about pulseaudio and shudders | 11:57 | |
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| shtylman | Riddell: ...so it finally got ya eh? | 12:15 |
| Riddell | shtylman: mm, it certaily did | 12:28 |
| Riddell | shtylman: get home ok? | 12:28 |
| shtylman | Riddell: yep :) ... watched movies the whole flight back | 12:28 |
| shtylman | http://boredandblogging.tv/2009/05/31/uds-karmic-kdekubuntu/ <--- needs serious censoring | 12:34 |
| rgreening | Quintasan: ping | 12:50 |
| * ryanakca caught the plague too :/ | 12:50 | |
| * rgreening has too | 12:50 | |
| rgreening | hacking big green globs rather thna code is not fun | 12:51 |
| jussi01 | great green globs of greasy grimy gopher guts and me without my spoon.... | 12:53 |
| jussi01 | sorry... rgreening just reminded me of that cub scout song... | 12:53 |
| jussi01 | :D | 12:53 |
| rgreening | pbuild uds-plague && scp uds-plague* jussi01:. | 12:54 |
| rgreening | :) | 12:54 |
| jussi01 | rofl | 12:54 |
| rgreening | Quintasan: kdewebdev-kde4 - can you re-do for Karmic instead of Jaunty :) | 12:56 |
| rgreening | ping when you have it and I'll upload right away Quintasan | 12:57 |
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| Nightrose | rgreening: ScottK told us to tell you he has got your jacket | 13:10 |
| Nightrose | and he'll get it to you when he gets back from his business trip | 13:10 |
| rgreening | YAY! | 13:11 |
| rgreening | I knew I left it as soon as I got on th eplane :( | 13:11 |
| rgreening | ty ScottK :) | 13:11 |
| rgreening | I was much too drunk to be packing | 13:12 |
| Nightrose | haha | 13:12 |
| Nightrose | rgreening: btw the PA stuff in http://boredandblogging.tv/2009/05/31/uds-karmic-kdekubuntu/ makes me sob | 13:13 |
| * Nightrose really really hopes we do not use PA in kubuntu anytime soon unless it massively improves | 13:13 | |
| rgreening | :P) that wa ssoooo fun | 13:15 |
| === JontheEchidna changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: One more time we gonna celebrate | Karmic: http://tinyurl.com/n2to8u | Sync/Merges: http://tinyurl.com/korm9e | Be careful whilst packaging | Transitions: http://tinyurl.com/m68bne and http://tinyurl.com/lcgnjp | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | rgreening == BARBIE_GIRL | ||
| rgreening | hey agateau, have you recovered from the Karoke trauma :) | 13:20 |
| agateau | rgreening: i am fine, but I am wondering about the audience :) | 13:21 |
| rgreening | BARBIE_GIRL looks 9 mo pregneant | 13:21 |
| rgreening | haha | 13:21 |
| agateau | :D | 13:21 |
| rgreening | Nightrose: you missed a lot of fun | 13:22 |
| Nightrose | rgreening: *g* looks like I did yea | 13:23 |
| rgreening | The kde/kubuntu team kicked a$$ all around :) | 13:24 |
| Nightrose | very good! :D | 13:24 |
| JontheEchidna | New queue sorta got behind during UDS, lol | 13:27 |
| JontheEchidna | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=530725 | 13:29 |
| ubottu | Debian bug 530725 in kshutdown "kshutdown: Uses private, unstable packaging functions" [Serious,Closed] | 13:29 |
| JontheEchidna | looks like we need to use kde.mk from pkg-kde-tools for universe KDE packages instead of debian-qt-kde.mk | 13:30 |
| rgreening | ryanakca: ping | 13:30 |
| Riddell | JontheEchidna: yeah, we should be using kde.mk for anything other than main KDE modules | 13:35 |
| Riddell | as far as I understand it | 13:35 |
| JontheEchidna | I'll fire a mail off to -devel then, since everybody (me included) seems to be using debian-qt-kde.mk | 13:36 |
| Riddell | thanks | 13:37 |
| rgreening | that would be useful to know for sure :) | 13:38 |
| freeflying | Riddell: so, I'd rejoin kubuntu-member? | 13:38 |
| Riddell | freeflying: yes | 13:39 |
| Riddell | anyone looked at amarok 2.1? | 13:40 |
| Tm_T | Riddell: other than running it? | 13:43 |
| JontheEchidna | Riddell: _Groo was working on packages | 13:43 |
| JontheEchidna | iirc he just needed sponsorship from a core-dev | 13:44 |
| Riddell | he's a new guy? | 13:45 |
| * Nightrose wonders who gave him amarok as a starter | 13:45 | |
| Nightrose | that's like not a good package to start with ;-) | 13:46 |
| Tm_T | Nightrose: well, if he masterst it rightaway, he did pass our little test then, roight? | 13:46 |
| Tm_T | -t | 13:46 |
| Nightrose | well from his comments here I am not convinced ;-) | 13:46 |
| Riddell | anyone looked at the new kdevelop beta? | 13:48 |
| JontheEchidna | that kdevelop transition during UDS was the new beta I think | 13:53 |
| rgreening | ScottK: ping... | 14:00 |
| ryanakca | rgreening: pong | 14:07 |
| ryanakca | rgreening: today is a catch-up-on-a-week-of-homework day, but what can I do for you? | 14:08 |
| Quintasan | rgreening: I srlsy did that for Jaunty? | 14:12 |
| rgreening | ryanakca: hey. in your package, you forgot to update the maintainer field. for qtscriptgenerator. | 14:15 |
| rgreening | Quintasan: the kdewebdev-kde4 you provided to me was for jaunty... needs ot be for karmic... | 14:15 |
| Quintasan | oh god, such a failure | 14:15 |
| rgreening | :) | 14:16 |
| Quintasan | rgreening: you still have the debdiff? I don't remeber the build deps | 14:16 |
| rgreening | lol... happens to all of us... | 14:16 |
| rgreening | 1 sec Quintasan | 14:16 |
| rgreening | Quintasan: http://paste.ubuntu.com/185675/ | 14:17 |
| Quintasan | thx | 14:18 |
| rgreening | Quintasan: it should be on 4.2.85 | 14:18 |
| rgreening | in karmic | 14:18 |
| Quintasan | ok | 14:18 |
| Tm_T | 1631.49 < allen_kdab> Friendly Reminder: KDE4.3beta2 tagging in the next day or 2. | 14:32 |
| * Tm_T is spreading panic | 14:33 | |
| * Quintasan rages | 14:33 | |
| ryanakca | rgreening: Are you looking at some old debdiff or at the bzr branch? lp:~kubuntu-members/qtscriptgenerator/ubuntu | 14:34 |
| rgreening | ryanakca: I was working from the last debdiff I had from you. If the bzr branch different? | 14:35 |
| ryanakca | rgreening: Yes | 14:35 |
| rgreening | so, I should look at the bzr | 14:35 |
| ryanakca | *nod* | 14:36 |
| jussi01 | hrm... alt+f2 doesnt seem to work here... yay for me... | 14:37 |
| rgreening | ryanakca: ok. will do. | 14:39 |
| JontheEchidna | rgreening: kdewebdev-kde4 was moved to kdewebdev | 15:04 |
| Quintasan | JontheEchidna: that means I'm doing it wrong? | 15:04 |
| Quintasan | argh | 15:04 |
| Quintasan | I hate it | 15:04 |
| JontheEchidna | somebody forgot to file a removal request for kdewebdev-kde4 | 15:05 |
| JontheEchidna | Riddell: ^If you could take care of that using your archive admin skillz | 15:05 |
| Quintasan | kk, I will get karmic tar and fix if | 15:05 |
| Quintasan | s/if/it | 15:05 |
| rgreening | JontheEchidna: can you help Quintasan with this... I am going to be preoccupied for a bit.. | 15:05 |
| rgreening | if needed :) | 15:05 |
| JontheEchidna | I don't think the phonon transition applies to the kdewebdev package (the phonon build-dep was probably dropped in the merge) | 15:07 |
| Quintasan | checking won't hurt, I think :P | 15:08 |
| JontheEchidna | I did :P | 15:08 |
| JontheEchidna | just remove that I don't think part then I guess | 15:08 |
| Riddell | JontheEchidna: done | 15:09 |
| Quintasan | JontheEchidna: yup, but still it needs libxml1-dev | 15:09 |
| JontheEchidna | Quintasan: libxlst-dev should pull that in | 15:09 |
| JontheEchidna | except that libxlst-dev doesn't exist :/ It's libxlst1-dev | 15:09 |
| JontheEchidna | so something still needs fixed ^_^ | 15:09 |
| JontheEchidna | er, libxslt for all that I said, typo on my part | 15:10 |
| Quintasan | yup, it depends on xml | 15:10 |
| JontheEchidna | Riddell: thanks | 15:11 |
| Quintasan | now it should work | 15:14 |
| JontheEchidna | So was the decision at UDS to replace koffice1 with koffice2? I have to do a koffice2 rebuild for a new upstream release of opengtl, and it'd be efficient to merge at the same time. | 15:16 |
| JontheEchidna | I see that the replacement is in the Todo | 15:16 |
| JontheEchidna | I also see that vorian is down to do that, so I suppose I'll just merge and keep it as k*-kde4 packages | 15:19 |
| Tonio_ | hi there | 15:29 |
| Tonio_ | k3b/policykit-kde fixed in karmic | 15:29 |
| Riddell | awooga | 15:30 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: journey back ok? | 15:30 |
| Tonio_ | I still have to patch for update-notifier packages installation | 15:30 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: yeah, except I'm really tired :) | 15:30 |
| Tonio_ | hehe | 15:30 |
| Riddell | JontheEchidna: upstream don't want us to put koffice 2 in main | 15:30 |
| seele | is there a wiki page with all of the karmic specs yet? | 15:30 |
| Tm_T | Riddell: in Karmic ? | 15:30 |
| Riddell | KubuntuKarmicSpecs but I need to tidy it up | 15:31 |
| Riddell | Tm_T: right, 2.0 isn't ready for users they say | 15:31 |
| Tm_T | Riddell: not planned to be ready in 9.10 even? | 15:31 |
| Tm_T | interesting | 15:31 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I'll write my 2 specs toonight | 15:33 |
| Quintasan | rgreening: http://pastebin.com/f4cbbca89 | 15:34 |
| Quintasan | rgreening: fixed | 15:34 |
| Riddell | Tm_T: well 2.0 isn't ready they say and 2.1 won't be out until after october | 15:43 |
| Riddell | although krita may be an exception | 15:43 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: smb sharing and usb creator? | 15:44 |
| Tonio_ | yep | 15:44 |
| Tonio_ | I'll also spend a couple of days improving our default settings... we lack so many things... | 15:44 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/playground/base/plasma/netbook/ | 15:47 |
| Tm_T | Riddell: roger roger | 15:47 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: plasma-mid receives updates at the time, which is pretty cool :) | 15:47 |
| Tm_T | Tonio_: indeed, though not yet usable I hear | 15:48 |
| Tonio_ | anyone to review frescobaldi on revu please ? | 15:48 |
| Tonio_ | Tm_T: nope, but it'll be :) | 15:48 |
| Tonio_ | Tm_T: netbook is my big task of this cycle | 15:48 |
| * shtylman making good progress on qt4/kde4 port of openoffice :) | 15:48 | |
| Tm_T | Tonio_: aye, as I'm kicking marts butt | 15:48 |
| Tm_T | Tonio_: ok, you kick him too | 15:48 |
| Tonio_ | Tm_T: there are quite a lot of people taking care of the work I used to do before, so I'll handle something else :) | 15:48 |
| Tm_T | heh | 15:49 |
| Tonio_ | shtylman: finalli fixed your problem of the UDS ? | 15:49 |
| Tonio_ | shtylman: I knew that a couple of days break would help you :) | 15:49 |
| * Riddell high fives shtylman | 15:49 | |
| shtylman | Tonio_: nope..just taking an entirely different approach :) currently migrating all the widget drawing code...and in the process hope to delete like 5000 lines of redundant old code...also...latest kdevelop is amazing! | 15:50 |
| Tonio_ | shtylman: hehehe | 15:51 |
| * ryanakca => reinstall jaunty | 15:52 | |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: what about your kopete-facebook thing ? | 15:53 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: is this requiring external packaging or is it part of kopete's trunk ? | 15:53 |
| Tonio_ | smarter: on va pouvoir commencer dolphin-share pour info ma poule :) | 15:53 |
| smarter | \o/ | 15:53 |
| Tonio_ | smarter: I'm writing the spec toonight | 15:53 |
| Tonio_ | smarter: I see to major things to do in there | 15:54 |
| Tonio_ | smarter: 1/ act as a net usershare frontend, which seems quite easy | 15:54 |
| smarter | mais je passe mon bac dans 3 semaines, donc je serais pas super actif :] | 15:54 |
| Tonio_ | smarter: and patch dolphin so that shared folders appear as share | 15:54 |
| Tonio_ | smarter: get your diploma first :) it is not a hudge job and we have time | 15:55 |
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| Tonio_ | smarter: the target is karmic -> october | 15:55 |
| * Tonio_ wishes good luck to smarter | 15:55 | |
| smarter | and remove/replace the systemsettings "sharing" module? | 15:55 |
| smarter | thanks :) | 15:55 |
| Tonio_ | smarter: no kcm module in fact, we'll drop this and just integrate the dolphin stuff | 15:56 |
| Tonio_ | smarter: I'll write the full spec toonight | 15:56 |
| Tonio_ | smarter: atm I wonder if we should release an external tarball or not.... we'll see :) | 15:56 |
| Tonio_ | smarter: not having to patch kdenetwork first might make the dev easier, and then we can merge when it's done | 15:57 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: it's external (for KDE 4.3) | 16:01 |
| smarter | ok | 16:01 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: kk, have you done the package ? I can work on that if interested :) | 16:02 |
| seele | sebas: are you on the ayatana list? if you aren't you probably should be. all they talk about atm is notifications | 16:04 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: it's on revu | 16:04 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: ok I'll revu it then | 16:04 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: kopete-facebook and qjson | 16:04 |
| seele | Tonio_: btw.. i'll be in paris september 21st for a few days.. we should hang out! | 16:05 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: feel free to upload if you recon it's good enough | 16:05 |
| seele | and london later that week for anyone there | 16:05 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: sure | 16:05 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I'll have to repack first, since there is no copying informations in the sources | 16:07 |
| Tonio_ | hey seele :) we missed you this weel ! | 16:08 |
| seele | Tonio_: i know.. i feel like i missed out on everything by not going :( | 16:08 |
| Tonio_ | seele: there will be other uds btw :) | 16:08 |
| Tonio_ | seele: get married first, this seems more important from the real life perspective :) | 16:09 |
| maco | guys, is printing all borked in kubuntu karmic? | 16:09 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: right, I asked duncan to add that upstream, please check he put it into git | 16:09 |
| Riddell | maco: I managed to print off my flight stuff before UDS | 16:09 |
| maco | yeah and i managed to print last night... | 16:10 |
| maco | last night, after upgrade, i printed to my networked printer | 16:10 |
| maco | today, i cannot print to company networked printer | 16:10 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: he didn't | 16:10 |
| maco | systemsettings printer thingy just yells python errors at me :-/ | 16:11 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I'll do repacking this and send him an email with the diff | 16:11 |
| Riddell | maco: try installing the python qt dbus package | 16:12 |
| maco | "the service Printer Configuration does not provide an interface KCModule with keyword system-config-printer-kde/system-config-printer-kde.py The factory does not support creating comonents of the specified type" | 16:12 |
| maco | and python-qt4-dbus is installed | 16:13 |
| maco | as is system-config-printer-kde | 16:13 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: any specific reason you used include /usr/share/pkg-kde-tools/makefiles/1/cdbs/kde.mk for kopete-facebook ? | 16:15 |
| Riddell | meh, I'll look into that when I get a moment then maco (you can use system-config-printer-gnome in the mean time if you want) | 16:16 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: that was to avoid using quilt and use simple-atchsys ? | 16:16 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: it builds the package? | 16:16 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: didn't try the build yet ;) | 16:16 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: just wondering why this and not /usr/share/pkg-kde-tools/qt-kde-team/1/debian-qt-kde.mk | 16:17 |
| Tonio_ | as this seems to be our "standard" to call it like this | 16:17 |
| JontheEchidna | Tonio_: see my mail to -devel about debian-qt-kde.mk | 16:17 |
| Tonio_ | JontheEchidna: don't tell me this has changed again..... | 16:17 |
| JontheEchidna | lol | 16:17 |
| Tonio_ | on the other hand, if that allows me to get rid of quilt, I'll go for it instantly | 16:18 |
| Tonio_ | JontheEchidna: when was it ? you send to many emails there :) | 16:22 |
| Tonio_ | JontheEchidna: ok got it | 16:23 |
| Tonio_ | JontheEchidna: fine with me, especially since I can now use cdbs patch system and get rid of the nasty quilt :) | 16:23 |
| Tonio_ | hi sabdfl | 16:24 |
| Tonio_ | JontheEchidna: on the other hand, I hope it'll be the last packaging policy change in this cycle... | 16:24 |
| Tonio_ | JontheEchidna: it's kinda boring to fix packages with each uploads... | 16:24 |
| Tonio_ | hi agateau_ :) | 16:24 |
| agateau_ | Tonio_: my internet access is not reliable today :/ | 16:25 |
| Tonio_ | agateau_: free ? | 16:26 |
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| agateau | 9 | 16:26 |
| agateau | usually works fine, just not today | 16:26 |
| Tonio_ | agateau: I have numericable, which is a lot better than anything else I used before :) | 16:27 |
| Tonio_ | agateau: but that just because I have optical fiber here | 16:27 |
| agateau | Tonio_: numericable is not available in my village | 16:27 |
| Tonio_ | my upload rate is about 450 KB/s :) | 16:27 |
| * agateau has a 512/64 kbps adsl line :'( | 16:28 | |
| agateau | err 512/128 | 16:28 |
| Tonio_ | agateau: ouch... | 16:29 |
| Tonio_ | mine is about 60 MB/5 MB | 16:29 |
| * JontheEchidna has a 180 kbps (1.5 mbps)/ 30 kbps | 16:29 | |
| Tonio_ | agateau: paris isn't fine for everything but for this at least, that's pretty cool :) | 16:29 |
| agateau | Tonio_: i guess so, but I prefer to have a garden :) | 16:30 |
| agateau | and i can't afford a garden in Paris | 16:30 |
| agateau | :) | 16:30 |
| Tonio_ | agateau: enfoiré :) | 16:30 |
| Tonio_ | haha | 16:30 |
| * agateau lives in a 1000 people village, with horses in the neighbour garden | 16:31 | |
| * JontheEchidna wonders how to reset KDE file associations | 16:31 | |
| Tonio_ | JontheEchidna: delete .local/share/* desktop files | 16:32 |
| JontheEchidna | The defaults button is greyed ou in the kcm | 16:32 |
| JontheEchidna | oh, thanks | 16:32 |
| Tonio_ | JontheEchidna: delete .local/share/mime desktop files | 16:32 |
| Tonio_ | JontheEchidna: sorry | 16:32 |
| Tonio_ | JontheEchidna: those aren't stored in profilerc anymore | 16:32 |
| Tonio_ | JontheEchidna: delete .local/share/applications desktop files too | 16:33 |
| Tonio_ | JontheEchidna: and run kbuildsycoca4 | 16:33 |
| Tonio_ | of course :) | 16:33 |
| JontheEchidna | :) | 16:33 |
| Tonio_ | talking about that, that reminds me I have this firefox extensions for kde associations to finish too... | 16:34 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: kopete-facebook also has lots of files missing licence.... I'll fix all of that | 16:39 |
| JontheEchidna | oh, that's one thing I forgot in my note on revu note but I did notice that when I saw it on thursday | 16:41 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: do you plan to get facebook-kopete in main and installed by default ? | 16:44 |
| Tonio_ | sebas: who is the right guy to contact for plasma-mid ? Marco Martin or Aaron ? | 16:49 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: yes I'd like to | 16:50 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: ok | 16:50 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: notmart and morpheus | 16:50 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: the first is marci and the second is ? | 16:51 |
| Tonio_ | s/marci/marco | 16:51 |
| Riddell | someone else who said he'd work on it | 16:51 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: kk | 16:51 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: hum, were did you pick libqjson-dev ? doesn't seem to be in the archives :) | 16:52 |
| Tonio_ | ok that's on revu too... revuing | 16:52 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I just uploaded qjson.... I uploaded twice in order to fix debian/control and linqjson-dev.install | 17:06 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: if you go through NEW, take care at revuing the second upload | 17:07 |
| smarter | Tonio_: what's qjson? (apart from a JSON parser :p) | 17:08 |
| Tonio_ | smarter: library that maps JSON data to QVariant objects | 17:10 |
| smarter | and what uses that? | 17:11 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: kopete-facebook uploaded | 17:11 |
| Riddell | smarter: ^^ does | 17:12 |
| smarter | ok ;) | 17:12 |
| Riddell | 1/18368 that's a big New queue | 17:13 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: ouch... | 17:14 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: did you remove the "Some files are generated by Bison" stuff from qjson debian/copyright? | 17:14 |
| * Tonio_ will spend a couple of days on kds before forking for mid | 17:14 | |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: hum nope | 17:14 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I trusted you in this :) | 17:15 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: we have a problem with kde 4.2 -> 4.3 transition | 17:15 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: plasma config files have been splitted and renamed... | 17:16 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: so we need to fix kds, but the big issue is that people will have problems with their own settings -> lost | 17:16 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: what's the problem? | 17:16 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I don't know how to handle this in the packagig side, except from fixing within startkde and a bit of bash :/ | 17:16 |
| Riddell | k-d-s doesn't have much in its plasma-appletsrc file | 17:16 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: plasmarc renamed to plasma-desktoprc | 17:17 |
| Riddell | we don't have that in k-d-s | 17:17 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: well when I uploaded my all config was lost | 17:17 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: and plasma-appletsrc is now plasma-desktop-appletsrc | 17:18 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: we should rename the files through startkde I guess | 17:18 |
| Riddell | or through kconfig update | 17:19 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I'm not used to kconfig... how would you do that ? | 17:20 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: just start the binary and it'll fix this ? | 17:20 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: tried to remove plasma-desktop*rc files and run kconf-update | 17:24 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: my old rc files didn't got renamed... | 17:24 |
| Tonio_ | JontheEchidna: I saw you commented on a forum about that... any idea how to not break people's plasma without renaming through startkde ? | 17:26 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: wouldn't you like this in : http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=92234 ? | 17:38 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I like it ;) | 17:38 |
| Tonio_ | hum looks like kwwii prefers to keep the default kde one :) | 17:39 |
| maco | Tonio_, oh i like it too | 17:41 |
| Tonio_ | maco: same with me :) sounds a good "respects kde oxygen" and also brands kubuntu a little bit | 17:42 |
| Tonio_ | maco: but it's like our policy is to keep the default :/ | 17:42 |
| Tonio_ | maco: I'll try my best to convince them, then ;) | 17:43 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: saw you rejected qjson, should I fix or will you do the debian/copyright fix ? | 17:45 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: that's the old one | 17:49 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: muse.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/copyright | 17:50 |
| Riddell | please replace with that and upload | 17:50 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: sure | 17:53 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: done | 17:54 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: should we go for kaffaeine to replace dragon player right now ? I'd go for it immediatly, on my side... | 17:56 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: also kaffeine should be promoted to mail (as kaffeine kde3 was, this shouldn't be an issue) | 18:02 |
| jussi01 | Riddell: who was it doing the amarok 2.1 packages? and where can I find them, if you know? | 18:02 |
| * apachelogger does not think we should switch to Kaffeine at all | 18:03 | |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: hum, why ? | 18:03 |
| apachelogger | not unless they completely rework the whole interface | 18:03 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: have you tested the latest kaffeine ? | 18:03 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: it's great | 18:03 |
| apachelogger | no | 18:03 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: please do :) | 18:03 |
| apachelogger | have been told it is all the same non-usable thing :P | 18:04 |
| apachelogger | Tonio_: where to get package? | 18:04 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: tabs on the left are back, fyi | 18:04 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: my ppa, and also karmic | 18:04 |
| apachelogger | tabs? | 18:04 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: as for amarok, yes | 18:04 |
| apachelogger | well | 18:04 |
| apachelogger | for amarok they made sense | 18:04 |
| apachelogger | for kaffeine they never did | 18:04 |
| apachelogger | _never_ | 18:04 |
| apachelogger | so | 18:06 |
| apachelogger | why are start and playback not one thingy? | 18:06 |
| Tm_T | tabs are Kool! | 18:07 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: why wouldn't that make sense ? | 18:07 |
| apachelogger | and why would I need a playlist unless I am watching loads of short porns | 18:07 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: when you have a playlist, and dvd player ? | 18:07 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: that's my concern | 18:07 |
| * Nightrose hugs kaffeine | 18:08 | |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: for a couple KB more, we have a dvd player and a playlist | 18:08 |
| apachelogger | so why is it shown all the time? | 18:08 |
| Tonio_ | same for me | 18:08 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: also having the same kind of UI for both the audio and video player makes it consistent imho | 18:08 |
| apachelogger | well | 18:08 |
| Nightrose | dragon not being a single-instance app is my main petpeeve with it | 18:08 |
| apachelogger | another problem | 18:08 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: I personally use dragonplayer | 18:08 |
| Nightrose | not being able to skip in a video with the keyboard is the other | 18:08 |
| apachelogger | kaffeine ain't a video player | 18:08 |
| Nightrose | that really s*cks | 18:08 |
| apachelogger | kaffeine is a media player | 18:08 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: but I think kaffeine is a better default choice imho | 18:08 |
| apachelogger | Tonio_: why is that? | 18:09 |
| apachelogger | it is doing too many things at once | 18:09 |
| apachelogger | with cluttered interface | 18:09 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: dvd player by default for everyone | 18:09 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: playlist | 18:09 |
| apachelogger | and way too many features | 18:09 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: better support for subtitles | 18:09 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: and READS AUDIO CDS :) | 18:10 |
| apachelogger | YES | 18:10 |
| neversfelde | DVB-T in kaffeine rocks | 18:10 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: which amarok can't do | 18:10 |
| apachelogger | that is the problem | 18:10 |
| Tonio_ | :) | 18:10 |
| apachelogger | it is a media player | 18:10 |
| apachelogger | not a video player | 18:10 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: and ? | 18:10 |
| Tonio_ | true | 18:10 |
| apachelogger | if we would go with kaffeine amarok shoudl go | 18:10 |
| Tonio_ | so we have a media player | 18:10 |
| Nightrose | Oo | 18:10 |
| Tonio_ | and an advanced audio player with collection | 18:10 |
| apachelogger | it even clashes with the one-app per use case policy | 18:10 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: we patch kaffeine not to handle audio files by default not to conflict with amarok | 18:11 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: not the same functionnality | 18:11 |
| apachelogger | Tonio_: so what is consistent about using kaffeine for audio cds and amarok for any other audio stuff? | 18:11 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: amarok is there to handle a collection | 18:11 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: it is not a file per file or cd player | 18:11 |
| JontheEchidna | Tonio_: I don't recall commenting on that on a forum, but fwiw my settings didnt' get lost when I upgraded to 4.3 beta1 | 18:11 |
| Nightrose | apachelogger: dragon can play audio files as well... | 18:11 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: it's an collection oriented audio player | 18:11 |
| Tonio_ | which kaffeine isn't | 18:11 |
| Tonio_ | JontheEchidna: hum... well there was your name, but as long as it worked for you... it's fine :) | 18:12 |
| apachelogger | well | 18:12 |
| apachelogger | seriuosly | 18:12 |
| apachelogger | I think we shoudl push dragon player's development along | 18:12 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: had amarok an audiocd function I woldn't say this | 18:12 |
| Nightrose | apachelogger: not gonna happen soon imho | 18:12 |
| * JontheEchidna goes back to his posts to see how bad his memory was :P | 18:12 | |
| apachelogger | so reimplement auido cd support in amarok | 18:12 |
| Nightrose | Tonio_: coming with 2.2 | 18:12 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: feel free to recode the all dvd-t to dragon, but that's unlukelly to happen | 18:12 |
| apachelogger | Nightrose: well, not if we go with a less fitted application anyway | 18:12 |
| apachelogger | Tonio_: dvd-t? | 18:13 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: when users wan't dvd, then they install kaffeine | 18:13 |
| apachelogger | why do they? | 18:13 |
| Tonio_ | dvb-t | 18:13 |
| apachelogger | well | 18:13 |
| apachelogger | yes | 18:13 |
| apachelogger | so | 18:13 |
| Tonio_ | and then they get a real app duplication | 18:13 |
| apachelogger | which average user got dvb-t on his pc | 18:13 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: which average user want's subtitles ? and a playlist ? | 18:13 |
| * Nightrose wants a playlist tbh | 18:14 | |
| Nightrose | and proper skiping in a video | 18:14 |
| Tonio_ | Nightrose: agree | 18:14 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: also our hardy users know kaffeine, and they'll find it when upgrading to next lts,which makes sense for me | 18:14 |
| JontheEchidna | oh: http://forum.kde.org/why-are-there-two-plasma-config-files-t-32239.html | 18:15 |
| Tonio_ | JontheEchidna: that was it ;) | 18:15 |
| apachelogger | our hardy users also use the KDE 3 menu | 18:15 |
| apachelogger | so we should switch the app launcher to classic | 18:15 |
| apachelogger | feels more natural for them | 18:15 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: why not ? :) | 18:15 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: seriously, we just have to consider the *default* choice | 18:15 |
| Tonio_ | not ours | 18:15 |
| apachelogger | yeah, that is what I am saying | 18:15 |
| apachelogger | kaffeine is a bad default | 18:16 |
| Tonio_ | tell me of one advantage to dragonplayer ? | 18:16 |
| apachelogger | too advanced use case | 18:16 |
| Tonio_ | too advanced ? you haven't even test it ! | 18:16 |
| apachelogger | I am running it right now | 18:16 |
| Tonio_ | it is really more simple than the kde3, and just does what it's meant to :) | 18:16 |
| apachelogger | looking at rendering buts in the start tab | 18:16 |
| apachelogger | it is meant to do 4 different things | 18:17 |
| apachelogger | play audio, video, dvd and dvb-t | 18:17 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: also with it I can record streaming and so on | 18:17 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: as you notice the icon says "play audio cd" | 18:17 |
| Tonio_ | not "play audio" | 18:17 |
| Tonio_ | and that makes the all difference | 18:17 |
| apachelogger | which user does record streams | 18:17 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: I wan't people to have a choice when inserting an audio cd | 18:17 |
| apachelogger | plus that doesnt work most of the time anyway | 18:17 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: currently, it's the super simple feature we don't handle | 18:18 |
| apachelogger | so add kscd to the CD | 18:18 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: to many options is irrelevant imho | 18:18 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: people are used to WMP and VLC | 18:18 |
| apachelogger | right | 18:18 |
| apachelogger | so they will install vlc | 18:18 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: and most kubuntu users I know are now using VLC, since they consider dragonplayer inconsistent | 18:18 |
| apachelogger | or use kaffeine for all their needs | 18:18 |
| Tonio_ | lack of subtitles support is a pain, really | 18:19 |
| apachelogger | so go fix it | 18:19 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: so go install kaffeine :) | 18:19 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: another simple fix too | 18:19 |
| apachelogger | right | 18:19 |
| apachelogger | and you don't get subtitle support accross phonon | 18:19 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: fix it is irrelevant to me, I'm not a coder | 18:19 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: but I can integrate another app that feet our need | 18:20 |
| Tonio_ | as long as the app rock | 18:20 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: I'm okay to rediscuss this in a meeting | 18:20 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: but in the UDS, kaffeine received a general consensus | 18:20 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: on the mid iso, I'll probably puh dragon btw | 18:20 |
| Nightrose | no subtitles in dragon? | 18:21 |
| larsivi | how stable/unstable is karmic compared to sucky intel drivers in jaunty? | 18:21 |
| Tonio_ | Nightrose: never worked for me | 18:21 |
| Nightrose | Oo | 18:21 |
| * apachelogger notes that this applies to _video files_ with srt files | 18:21 | |
| Tonio_ | Nightrose: supposedly handled by phonon, I know... | 18:21 |
| apachelogger | subtitles from DVDs or any sensible format embedd that stuff | 18:21 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: dvd management is also a lot better with kaffeine imho | 18:22 |
| apachelogger | what is there to manage? | 18:22 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: the dvd menus | 18:22 |
| apachelogger | I insert that thing and want to watch a movie | 18:22 |
| Nightrose | Tonio_: do you have a kaffeine package for jaunty for me? | 18:22 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: and I prefer kaffeine menu structure for that | 18:22 |
| Nightrose | for kde 4.2.3 | 18:22 |
| Tonio_ | Nightrose: on my ppa | 18:22 |
| Nightrose | k | 18:22 |
| Nightrose | thx | 18:22 |
| apachelogger | Tonio_: what are you doing in a menu? | 18:22 |
| apachelogger | seriously if I need a menu to watch a dvd I aint gonna watch it at all | 18:22 |
| Tonio_ | Nightrose: https://edge.launchpad.net/~tonio/+archive/ppa | 18:23 |
| Tonio_ | Nightrose: not the very latest though | 18:23 |
| Nightrose | thx | 18:23 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: as I said, we can rediscuss this in a meeting | 18:23 |
| Nightrose | apachelogger: there are dvds without menu? ;-) | 18:23 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: this discussion will end up nowhere | 18:23 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: I love kaffeine and you don't, period :) | 18:23 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: but I'll respect the council general consensus or vote | 18:24 |
| apachelogger | Nightrose: the usual dvd workflow: insert dvd - player loads dvd - player sends locale - dvd got jump right ahead feature if locale is provided - movie starts right away | 18:24 |
| * Tonio_ note we should patch kaffeine and dragon nfor codec installation | 18:24 | |
| apachelogger | no | 18:24 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: switch language ? | 18:24 |
| apachelogger | we should patch phonon | 18:24 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: not everyone speaks english right | 18:24 |
| neversfelde | turn on subtitles | 18:25 |
| apachelogger | Tonio_: the locale ought to be locale | 18:25 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: I may want to see it in french or english with french subtitles | 18:25 |
| apachelogger | that is why it is called locale | 18:25 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: I may decide depending the dvd | 18:25 |
| apachelogger | Tonio_: those are advanced use cases | 18:25 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: mouarf, no not at all | 18:25 |
| apachelogger | and even then users are used to just use the dvd builtin menu | 18:25 |
| Nightrose | no | 18:25 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: those are standards choices for non english speaking people | 18:25 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: I generally switch the language depending what I'm looking at | 18:26 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: most people do that, believe me | 18:26 |
| apachelogger | most people I know don't speak another language well enough to switch to it | 18:26 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: but might want to improve it | 18:26 |
| Tonio_ | with subtitles | 18:26 |
| apachelogger | nor would they care to improve their skills by watching it in that language | 18:26 |
| Tonio_ | and listening to it | 18:26 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: you are american, and that makes your "another language" different from the rest of the world | 18:27 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: with all my respect, I strongly beleive this is true | 18:28 |
| * JontheEchidna thought he was austrian | 18:28 | |
| apachelogger | very much so | 18:28 |
| Tonio_ | JontheEchidna: hum yes, sorry :) | 18:28 |
| Tonio_ | hehe, I'm tired ;) | 18:28 |
| JontheEchidna | Tonio_: oh, btw, would you like me to send over what I have for k3b 1.66 alpha2? | 18:28 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: anyway, in non english speaking countries, this vision is very different | 18:28 |
| JontheEchidna | maybe I should make a bzr branch | 18:29 |
| Tonio_ | everyone I know tends to watch tv or dvd shows in different languages | 18:29 |
| Tonio_ | generally native or english | 18:29 |
| Tonio_ | JontheEchidna: yes we should | 18:29 |
| apachelogger | everyone I know does watch any kind of stuff in german | 18:29 |
| JontheEchidna | ok, I'll get on that then | 18:29 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: and I beg your pardon for calling you american my friend :) I'm just lazy and tired | 18:29 |
| apachelogger | assuming it is available in german, otherwise they don't watch it at all | 18:29 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: as I said, none of us will convince the other | 18:30 |
| apachelogger | most likely it will not even get on the market because there isn't much demand for that | 18:30 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: you see no point in using kaffeine when I've been a true lover of it for years | 18:30 |
| apachelogger | I see the point | 18:30 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: let's submit this in a meeting, as for the konversation/quassel debate :) | 18:30 |
| larsivi | I watch films in english with norwegian subtitles, even if norwegian speech is available (typically only kids movies though :P) | 18:30 |
| apachelogger | I just don't think it is a good enough one to make it default again | 18:30 |
| larsivi | quassel sucks | 18:31 |
| larsivi | ;) | 18:31 |
| apachelogger | larsivi: you can't take anyone in here as an example ;-) | 18:31 |
| larsivi | totally unusable for me :) | 18:31 |
| Tonio_ | as Nightrose mentionned, dragonplayer sucks at keyboard shortcuts anyway | 18:31 |
| apachelogger | fix it then | 18:31 |
| Tonio_ | larsivi: I really prefer konversation | 18:31 |
| apachelogger | or push someone into fixing it | 18:31 |
| Nightrose | apachelogger: i tried that | 18:31 |
| JontheEchidna | konversation ftw | 18:32 |
| neversfelde | apachelogger: many users are waiting for the return of kaffeine | 18:32 |
| JontheEchidna | Quassel's ok though | 18:32 |
| Tonio_ | larsivi: on the other side, we have a strong relationship with quassel upstream, it'd be sad to loose this by switching | 18:32 |
| neversfelde | I read several threads about that in the last few weeks | 18:32 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: so your point is to fix the crap app instead of using the polished one ? | 18:32 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: I could say the same :) | 18:32 |
| apachelogger | eh | 18:32 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: if you don't like kaffeine -> fix it | 18:32 |
| apachelogger | polished? | 18:33 |
| Nightrose | another really broken thing in dragon: it _never_ start with the right size | 18:33 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: s/polished/feature complete/ | 18:33 |
| apachelogger | ok, just at the start page | 18:33 |
| Nightrose | it start like 20 x20 pixles here most of the time | 18:33 |
| apachelogger | there is a button for file, audio, video, dvd and tv | 18:33 |
| apachelogger | now | 18:33 |
| larsivi | anyway, is karmic anywhere usable? and if yes, will it relatively stay that way? | 18:33 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: start page as a UI bug, true, the only bug in the app I noticed so far | 18:33 |
| apachelogger | why would I need a button to play audio cd, video cd or dvd? | 18:33 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: and believe me, I'll fix that | 18:33 |
| apachelogger | Tonio_: so is the playlist | 18:33 |
| apachelogger | menubar -> playlist | 18:33 |
| * larsivi watches dvd's on the hifi dvd player :P | 18:33 | |
| apachelogger | what exact context does that have for videos? | 18:33 |
| apachelogger | except for the short-pron use case I mentioned earlier | 18:34 |
| Nightrose | apachelogger: watching a season of a tv series | 18:34 |
| apachelogger | then again you might not want to loop through that :D | 18:34 |
| Nightrose | or two movies in a row on the coutch | 18:34 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: you don't see the point is having a menubar for the playlist ? | 18:34 |
| Nightrose | i don't wanna get up between that | 18:34 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: you consider we should drag/drop from dolphin ? | 18:34 |
| apachelogger | Nightrose: so from that point of view, how many average users would have those stuff as files? | 18:34 |
| apachelogger | Tonio_: no | 18:35 |
| apachelogger | open that menu item | 18:35 |
| Nightrose | apachelogger: al lot ;-) from downloading it from torrents | 18:35 |
| apachelogger | what is in there doesn't make sense | 18:35 |
| apachelogger | that is why kaffeine is too much a media player to be a video player | 18:35 |
| apachelogger | Nightrose: wile the average user knows how to do that? | 18:35 |
| Nightrose | uhmmm yes? | 18:35 |
| Nightrose | ;-) | 18:35 |
| apachelogger | do a case study then | 18:36 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: but people are *used*"to media players, in the real world | 18:36 |
| Nightrose | you underestimate the average filesharer ;-) | 18:36 |
| apachelogger | go to a bar and ask the first dude you meet how he would download that stuff | 18:36 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: most of them use winamp, wmp, itunes and so on | 18:36 |
| apachelogger | Nightrose: I did say the average user | 18:36 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: if I could I'd merge kaffeine and amarok | 18:36 |
| apachelogger | well | 18:36 |
| apachelogger | you have to do that in order to use that argument | 18:36 |
| Nightrose | apachelogger: result will be similar | 18:36 |
| Nightrose | Tonio_: can you start a wiki page with pro's and con's for each? | 18:37 |
| Nightrose | i'll add some as well then | 18:37 |
| JontheEchidna | Tonio_: once bzr munches on things k3b will be here: https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/k3b/ubuntu | 18:37 |
| Tonio_ | Nightrose: no need for a wikipage I think | 18:37 |
| Tonio_ | Nightrose: get a vote in the next meeting | 18:37 |
| Tonio_ | JontheEchidna: super | 18:38 |
| Nightrose | well imho it would be good to know the pros and cons of each then | 18:38 |
| Nightrose | some people might not use either of the apps regularly to know their faults | 18:38 |
| Tonio_ | Nightrose: that's the purpose of a debate+vote no ? | 18:38 |
| Nightrose | hehe that'll just end like this here | 18:38 |
| Nightrose | ;-) | 18:38 |
| Tonio_ | Nightrose: except for a vote ;) | 18:39 |
| Tonio_ | get the people to vote and get teh consensus :) | 18:39 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: but afaik, we shipped kaffeine for 3 years, and I never saw any complaints it was too complicated | 18:39 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: also, when I proposed to switch to codeine (ancerstors of kaffeine), the all world kicked my ass :) | 18:40 |
| Tonio_ | ancestor of dragonplayer, sorry | 18:40 |
| apachelogger | Tonio_: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kaffeine | 18:40 |
| rgreening | NCommander: ping | 18:40 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: 90% of the issues are due to kaffeine-kde3 over kde4 -> broken ioslaves | 18:41 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: I already checked that page | 18:41 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: "Kaffeine cannot find xine_part.desktop" is the very best example | 18:42 |
| apachelogger | forward/back do not work reliably | 18:42 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: that's why there are so many issues numbered 2XXXXX | 18:42 |
| apachelogger | kaffeine doesn't show controls if i use gstreamer library | 18:42 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: is it time to revu it completly to convince me ? | 18:42 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: it is alpha status, receives lots of fixes right now | 18:42 |
| Tonio_ | and we have 5 month to decide :) | 18:42 |
| apachelogger | fixes for regressions | 18:43 |
| apachelogger | I am quite sure kaffeine will fall apart again | 18:43 |
| apachelogger | just like the KDE 3 version did | 18:43 |
| apachelogger | and no-one cared | 18:43 |
| apachelogger | no one from kubuntu anyway | 18:43 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: hu ???? | 18:43 |
| Tonio_ | I cared, but we had no other alternative | 18:44 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: and the point it got unmaintained was kde4 in the wait | 18:44 |
| apachelogger | the fact that I had to go somewhat-shoot the codec installer patch looping after months of it being known doesn't really help with my opinion of kaffeine | 18:44 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: we have another proper way to do it now | 18:44 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: nothing to do with the app itself, really | 18:44 |
| apachelogger | well | 18:44 |
| apachelogger | that does not change the fact that no one cared | 18:45 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: and the team grown up considerably since then :) | 18:45 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: it nobody cares of kaffeine, nobody would care dragonplayer | 18:45 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: that's our issue, nothing to do with the default app choice | 18:45 |
| apachelogger | well | 18:46 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: you hate it, that's all :) | 18:46 |
| apachelogger | who exactly triaged the kaffeine bugs? | 18:46 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: I love it, that's also true | 18:46 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: nobody triaged *anything* by that time | 18:46 |
| apachelogger | right, that is why we have a pretty good picture of the issues in that app | 18:46 |
| Tonio_ | https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/k3b | 18:46 |
| Tonio_ | another example ? ;) | 18:47 |
| apachelogger | k3b does a lot more stuff than kaffeine, doesn't it? | 18:47 |
| apachelogger | anyway | 18:47 |
| apachelogger | go take a vote at the meeting | 18:47 |
| Tonio_ | hum... it has a lot more bugs declared too | 18:47 |
| Tonio_ | JontheEchidna: we should consider patching both dragonplayer and amarok to propose codec installation | 18:49 |
| Tonio_ | JontheEchidna: I'll do that | 18:49 |
| JontheEchidna | Tonio_: Both do that already | 18:50 |
| Tonio_ | JontheEchidna: really ? okay | 18:50 |
| Tonio_ | great then | 18:50 |
| JontheEchidna | yeah, they do a dbus call to update-notifier-kde | 18:50 |
| * apachelogger still notes that this should be in phonon | 18:50 | |
| JontheEchidna | which does all the heavy lifting | 18:50 |
| Tonio_ | JontheEchidna: dragon does, not kaffeine, no patch for that atm... | 18:51 |
| Tonio_ | JontheEchidna: I'll do the patch as well as a bzr branch for kaffeine | 18:52 |
| JontheEchidna | cool | 18:52 |
| Tonio_ | JontheEchidna: wheter or not we ship it by default :) | 18:52 |
| JontheEchidna | yay, autosync is back online | 18:52 |
| JontheEchidna | If we could get our docpaths reconciled we could probaby even sync several more packages | 18:53 |
| Tonio_ | JontheEchidna: my k3b patch is incomplete, fixing this | 18:54 |
| Tonio_ | JontheEchidna: is it better to patch in the mainwindow thing or just main.cpp ? | 18:58 |
| Tonio_ | JontheEchidna: I tend to think main.cpp is fine for that... but dragon doesn't do in there, so... | 18:59 |
| JontheEchidna | Tonio_: I dunno, I think agateau did the patches so you might try asking him | 18:59 |
| Tonio_ | JontheEchidna: I'll test, that's even more simple :) | 18:59 |
| JontheEchidna | or that :) I just don't really know anything specific about the implementation :P | 19:00 |
| nixternal | is anyone working on the kdevplatform && kdevelop packages? if not, I am doing so now so I can play around, but will upload to a PPA if necessary | 19:17 |
| JontheEchidna | nixternal: the latest beta has been uploaded for a few days now ;-) | 19:19 |
| nixternal | groovy, where at? | 19:19 |
| nixternal | just to karmic? | 19:19 |
| JontheEchidna | yeah, no backports yet | 19:19 |
| nixternal | roger that | 19:19 |
| nixternal | maybe it is time to go ahead and dist-upgrade to karmic anyways | 19:19 |
| * nixternal does that | 19:20 | |
| JontheEchidna | I've found it to be pretty stable | 19:20 |
| JontheEchidna | (karmic, not tried kdevelop that much) | 19:20 |
| Tonio_ | JontheEchidna: yeah, except from a couple of plasma crashes, as usual :) | 19:22 |
| JontheEchidna | for an alpha it is pretty impressive though :D | 19:22 |
| JontheEchidna | my only crash with plasma has been when you hover over the startup task of an app in the taskbar | 19:23 |
| Tonio_ | JontheEchidna: yeah quite impressive I agree :) | 19:32 |
| JontheEchidna | Riddell: after bug 382508 we can drop our conflicts/replaces on libkipi0 and libkipi5 for libkipi6 | 19:39 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 382508 in libkipi "Request for removal (source and binary)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/382508 | 19:39 |
| apachelogger | tonio__: http://aplg.kollide.net/tmp/kaffeine-improved.tar.lzma | 19:39 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: upgrades? | 19:39 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: also, why are they conflicting anyway? | 19:39 |
| JontheEchidna | because they install files to the same locations | 19:40 |
| apachelogger | well | 19:40 |
| apachelogger | shouldn't those file be sonamed? | 19:40 |
| apachelogger | i.e. not conflicting | 19:40 |
| JontheEchidna | iirc there were also some common files that caused conflicts | 19:40 |
| apachelogger | ohhh | 19:40 |
| apachelogger | icons | 19:41 |
| apachelogger | hm | 19:41 |
| apachelogger | bad packaging IMHO | 19:41 |
| JontheEchidna | libkipi5 is NBS and gone in karmic, so update-manager should blast that during upgrades at least | 19:41 |
| tonio__ | apachelogger: what's in there ? I'm on osx right now and cannot test :) | 19:41 |
| apachelogger | that should be in a -data package to begin with | 19:41 |
| apachelogger | tonio__: a bit improved GUI | 19:41 |
| tonio__ | what did you change ? I'll had the patches later if needed | 19:41 |
| === tonio__ is now known as Tonio_ | ||
| apachelogger | remove auido related crap | 19:41 |
| apachelogger | start tab | 19:41 |
| apachelogger | cleanedup playlist tab | 19:42 |
| apachelogger | would need a lot more work though | 19:42 |
| Tonio_ | kk I'll test and let you know | 19:42 |
| apachelogger | television -> configure television | 19:42 |
| apachelogger | while there is settings -> one lonely entry | 19:42 |
| apachelogger | Tonio_: beware there is a scaling bug with the view widget due to lack of start tab :D | 19:43 |
| apachelogger | disappears after tab switch | 19:43 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: hum... I don't see the point with removing the start tab anyway | 19:44 |
| apachelogger | useless | 19:44 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: cause you only see it when starting the program outside of the "I opened a file" context | 19:44 |
| apachelogger | ultimately it should be merged with the playback tab | 19:44 |
| apachelogger | it shouldn't be there | 19:44 |
| apachelogger | not at all :P | 19:44 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: I'll check your changes | 19:45 |
| * apachelogger finds it stupid that the playlist is a tab | 19:46 | |
| apachelogger | or rather that the playback is | 19:46 |
| === tonio_ is now known as Tonio_ | ||
| maco | hello boys & girls | 20:02 |
| maco | (hrm...that greeting sounds silly @ my age. will file for 15 years down the road) | 20:03 |
| nixternal | karmic upgrade was painless | 20:05 |
| maco | lucky | 20:06 |
| maco | my xmonad & system-config-printer-kde broke | 20:06 |
| nixternal | how did xmonad break for you? | 20:07 |
| nixternal | xmonad is running like a champ on my other laptop | 20:07 |
| Tonio_ | nixternal: hum what is xmoned ? | 20:07 |
| nixternal | did you have any non-standard haskell configs? | 20:07 |
| nixternal | Tonio_: tiling window manager | 20:07 |
| Tonio_ | kk | 20:08 |
| nixternal | the best tiling window manager imho | 20:08 |
| Tonio_ | rebooting on linux :) | 20:08 |
| maco | my xmonad config is busted | 20:08 |
| maco | Plasma's not floating anymore :( | 20:08 |
| maco | and i cant fix it because ghc packages are still up in the air, so it cant be recompiled | 20:08 |
| nixternal | plasma in xmonad? | 20:08 |
| maco | aye | 20:09 |
| maco | Plasma keeps tiling | 20:09 |
| nixternal | http://www.nixternal.com/pics/xmonad.png | 20:09 |
| maco | like when i open the network manager or if i open the menu | 20:09 |
| nixternal | need to update that screenshot, but it is the same, except it says Karmic instead of Jaunty now | 20:09 |
| maco | i'm just using xmonad to replace kwin...ive still got the rest | 20:10 |
| nixternal | ahh, I am using just xmonad | 20:10 |
| nixternal | like the name of my lappy? OneSip :) | 20:10 |
| nixternal | One Sip of Tequila! | 20:10 |
| nixternal | one sip and you'll surrender, one sip and you will fall | 20:11 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: can you repaste me the link please ? | 20:11 |
| nixternal | Tonio_: http://www.nixternal.com/pics/xmonad.png <- that's my xmonad there | 20:11 |
| nixternal | though I don't really use the tiling features all that much | 20:11 |
| nixternal | but I don't use a mouse either with it :) | 20:12 |
| Tonio_ | nixternal: wow, geeky for sure :) | 20:12 |
| nixternal | if you are just writing code all day, xmonad is the way to go...nothing gets in your way, nothing flashy to distract you, and it is pretty damn fast | 20:13 |
| Tonio_ | nixternal: I can understand that | 20:13 |
| nixternal | though, I should really try getting used to kdevelop as it has so much hype behind it | 20:13 |
| nixternal | and for some reason, I can't create ctags with the kde libs, every other lib no problem, but kde libs are just all over /usr/include instead of being in a nice /usr/include/kde | 20:14 |
| nixternal | just the defs are in */kde | 20:14 |
| Tonio_ | does the networkmanager connect wireless for karmic users ? seems to be broken here | 20:14 |
| * nixternal tries now | 20:14 | |
| Tonio_ | nixternal: can you repaste me nixternal's link please ? | 20:15 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger's link, sorry | 20:15 |
| nixternal | am I still online? | 20:16 |
| JontheEchidna | nixternal: yus | 20:16 |
| maco | doesnt work for me | 20:16 |
| maco | at least not with WPA | 20:16 |
| nixternal | works for me | 20:16 |
| nixternal | if I am still online of course | 20:16 |
| nixternal | had to close my ssh tab and reconnect there, but I am connected to screen at least :) | 20:17 |
| nixternal | hrmm | 20:18 |
| Mamarok | Tonio_: what link do you want? | 20:18 |
| Tonio_ | Mamarok: the kaffeine link apachelogger posted 10 minutes ago :) I lost the history | 20:18 |
| Mamarok | Tonio_: http://aplg.kollide.net/tmp/kaffeine-improved.tar.lzma | 20:18 |
| Tonio_ | Mamarok: thanks | 20:18 |
| Mamarok | yaw :) | 20:19 |
| maco | nixternal, are you using wpa too? | 20:21 |
| nixternal | no | 20:26 |
| maco | so im guessing its wpa thats broken | 20:33 |
| Tscheesy_ | nixternal: jjesse - heard you're working on the Revision for kubuntu-docs ? they urgently need to be adopted to kde4 - tough there will be translation-work after | 20:41 |
| jjesse | Tscheesy: yes i am working on the kubuntu docs | 20:44 |
| nixternal | CMake Error at /usr/share/kde4/apps/cmake/modules/FindPhonon.cmake:59 (message): Phonon library or includes NOT found! | 20:44 |
| nixternal | what am I missing here? | 20:44 |
| nixternal | libqt4-phonon-dev is installed | 20:44 |
| Tscheesy_ | may i could give a hand ? | 20:44 |
| Quintasan | lol @ topic | 20:46 |
| JontheEchidna | nixternal: I had that problem too. I had to reinstall either libqt4-phonon-dev or kdelibs5-dev | 20:46 |
| * nixternal tries kdelibs5-dev as he just installed libqt4-phonon-dev and that didn't fix it | 20:49 | |
| nixternal | that didn't fix it either | 20:50 |
| nixternal | well son of a biznatch....it did work :p | 20:52 |
| JontheEchidna | heh | 20:52 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: you've been removing any dvd entry for kaffeine ? :) | 21:06 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: | 21:06 |
| Tonio_ | -menu->addAction(collection->addAction("file_play_dvd", action)); | 21:06 |
| Tonio_ | +// menu->addAction(collection->addAction("file_play_dvd", action)); | 21:06 |
| Tonio_ | sounds a little extremist no ? | 21:07 |
| Tonio_ | especially since you remove the start menu | 21:07 |
| Mamarok | problem: somebody disabled the password reminder for kpackagekit in 4.2.2 and can't get it back now, where do I have to look for that reminder option? | 21:17 |
| Tonio_ | Mamarok: | 21:17 |
| Tonio_ | did you dist-upgrade within my ppa ? | 21:18 |
| Tonio_ | Mamarok: I think kpackagekit is broken there :) | 21:18 |
| Tm_T | yeah, never use Tonio's PPA (;) | 21:18 |
| Mamarok | Tonio_: not me, a support question in #kubuntu | 21:18 |
| Tonio_ | Mamarok: if the authentication works for you go check in systemsettings/advanced/policykit stuff | 21:19 |
| Tonio_ | Tm_T: bah that's for testing purpose :) | 21:19 |
| Tm_T | Tonio_: I know, I'm just kidding | 21:19 |
| Tonio_ | Tm_T: :) | 21:20 |
| * Nightrose hugs Tonio_ for giving her a kaffeine package | 21:20 | |
| Nightrose | works nicely here after not starting when i first tried to start it | 21:20 |
| * Tonio_ loves hugs | 21:20 | |
| Nightrose | not sure what the problem was but worked after i started it from command line | 21:20 |
| Tonio_ | Nightrose: hum weird indeed | 21:20 |
| Tonio_ | missing kaffeinerc file ? | 21:21 |
| Tonio_ | in any case I'll add one to kds | 21:21 |
| Nightrose | no idea - i installed it - tried to start it two times from kickoff which didn't work - then from konsole which worked | 21:21 |
| Nightrose | after that kickoff worked too | 21:21 |
| Nightrose | might be nothing - needs more testing | 21:21 |
| Nightrose | what is strange is that i didn't even get the bouncy icon i usually have when apps atart | 21:22 |
| Tonio_ | Nightrose: within the command line that normal | 21:23 |
| Nightrose | Tonio_: yea but nothing from kickoff either during my first two tries | 21:24 |
| Tonio_ | Nightrose: packaging issue due to kde4.mk, no kbuildsycoca4 ran postinst | 21:25 |
| Tonio_ | Nightrose: no big deal :) | 21:25 |
| Nightrose | hmmm wonder why it showed up in kickoff at all then | 21:25 |
| Nightrose | doesn't it usually not get shown there when one forgets to run kbuildsycoca? | 21:26 |
| Tonio_ | cause kbuildsycoca4 rans un the background regularly | 21:26 |
| Nightrose | ahhhh | 21:26 |
| Nightrose | ok | 21:26 |
| Tonio_ | I think every 5 minutes | 21:26 |
| Tonio_ | but I'm not sure on that pont | 21:26 |
| Tonio_ | point | 21:26 |
| Nightrose | k | 21:26 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: about the plasma containment content, do we want to use kde defaults ? | 21:35 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: it would be nice to at least add th trash applet in there... | 21:35 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: http://planetemu.net/temp/plasma.png | 21:38 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I'd propose this as a replacement, modulo, removing the network-manager and the battery icon by default, of course... | 21:38 |
| Tonio_ | or even just removing the the battery (networkmanager is fine for desktops too) | 21:39 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: any opinion ? | 21:39 |
| nixternal | go cowbuild go! | 21:54 |
| * Tonio_ trying the googledata backend for kontact | 21:56 | |
| neversfelde | does not work for me, at least the contacts | 21:56 |
| neversfelde | calendar seems to be ok | 21:56 |
| Tonio_ | neversfelde: ok is there a package somewhere you know off ? | 21:59 |
| neversfelde | Tonio_: no, I packaged it by myself, but it is not in a good state | 22:00 |
| Tonio_ | kk | 22:01 |
| Tonio_ | neversfelde: it's an akonadi resource or a kresource at the moment ? | 22:03 |
| neversfelde | Tonio_: I think an akonadi ressource, you have to add it via the akonadi configuration in systemsettings | 22:03 |
| neversfelde | I am looking forward to this, because in combination with funambol, I could sync my s60 smartphone | 22:04 |
| Tonio_ | neversfelde: funambol is crap | 22:05 |
| Tonio_ | neversfelde: synthesys just released their syncml client library | 22:05 |
| Tonio_ | neversfelde: I planned to contact kdepim devs to get their syncml plans | 22:05 |
| neversfelde | is it? I am using it and it works very good, with outlook, s60, thunderbird etc. | 22:05 |
| Tonio_ | neversfelde: also you can use goosync to sync nokia and google within syncml | 22:05 |
| Tonio_ | neversfelde: you pay once, account for life | 22:06 |
| Tonio_ | neversfelde: I pretty much like it | 22:06 |
| Tonio_ | neversfelde: yeah, funambol isn't standard syncml | 22:06 |
| Tonio_ | neversfelde: so unless you have a specific implementation of funambol, it's unlikelly to work with contact | 22:06 |
| Tonio_ | a standard syncml client will have problems | 22:06 |
| neversfelde | mhh, I do not want to use an external service although I could accept google for a while | 22:07 |
| neversfelde | Tonio_: if opensync gets released sometime, it should support funambol syncs | 22:07 |
| Tonio_ | neversfelde: http://www.synthesis.ch/indefero/index.php/p/libsynthesis/ | 22:07 |
| neversfelde | I even testes funambol with evolution and it works | 22:07 |
| Tonio_ | neversfelde: I really think this and akonadi would do the trick | 22:08 |
| Tonio_ | neversfelde: see http://www.google.fr/search?hl=fr&client=firefox-a&rls=com.ubuntu%3Aen-US%3Aunofficial&hs=pkZ&q=libsynthesis+akonadi&btnG=Rechercher&meta= | 22:08 |
| neversfelde | oh SyncEvolution, that works with funambol too :) | 22:08 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: what were you asking about plasma containments? | 22:09 |
| Tonio_ | neversfelde: yeah and it uses this lib :) | 22:09 |
| neversfelde | very good | 22:09 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: we have no file in kds for the content of the bar | 22:09 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: that's why we're missing the trash icon... | 22:09 |
| neversfelde | syncing smartphones and similar devices is really importan for a business user | 22:09 |
| Tonio_ | neversfelde: yeah, I'mm looking into akonadi on that point :) would be nice to have a real and syncml client for kde | 22:09 |
| neversfelde | in deed | 22:10 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I'd like to propose this as default structure for the bar : http://planetemu.net/temp/plasma.png | 22:10 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: any opinion ? | 22:11 |
| maco | i'd like to +1 the Kicker icon Tonio_ mentioned earlier | 22:11 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: we patch kdebase-workspace with kubuntu_71_default_plasma_layout.diff the config file in k-d-s caused too many problems | 22:11 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: ok | 22:12 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I'll investigate to know why there's no trash applet then :) | 22:13 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: also I'd like to think a little bit about the content of it... | 22:13 |
| Tonio_ | the show workspace icon seems pretty useless to me | 22:13 |
| Riddell | we don't have trash because our panel is crowded enough, trash isn't actually useful since you can delete files from directly within dolphin easier | 22:13 |
| Tonio_ | ok | 22:13 |
| Riddell | how else do you see your plasma widgets without show workspace? | 22:14 |
| Tonio_ | in fact it would be nice to get the networkmanager and battery in the systray | 22:14 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: ctrl + f12 | 22:14 |
| Riddell | it would be nice to get them in the systray, but that would need code written | 22:14 |
| Tonio_ | yes | 22:14 |
| Riddell | ctrl+F12 doesn't do anything for me and isn't discoverable | 22:15 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: seems default shortcuts were changed indeed, it used to work for me before | 22:15 |
| Tonio_ | hum well all of that makes sense, but I'm not satisfied with what it is now :) I'll try to rethink that all (not pushing any change of course) | 22:16 |
| maco | Riddell, you can modify the pager, i think | 22:16 |
| maco | it has an option to show desktop if you click on the workspace you're already on | 22:16 |
| JontheEchidna | once QuickAccess 0.9 is released you'll be able to move stuff to the trash directly from quickaccess | 22:16 |
| Tonio_ | we should hide some systray entries by default (wallet for example) | 22:16 |
| maco | modify = "configure differently" not "change code" | 22:17 |
| JontheEchidna | also I made a new upstream release while you guys were at UDS for fixing QuickAccess's icon | 22:17 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: yeah sure | 22:17 |
| JontheEchidna | (the icon name changed in 4.3) | 22:17 |
| JontheEchidna | bug 381142 | 22:18 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 381142 in plasma-widget-quickaccess "New upstream release (QuickAccess 0.8.1)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/381142 | 22:18 |
| Tonio_ | hum duplicate entry in both plasma and plasma-workspace shotcuts | 22:20 |
| Tonio_ | that's why it doesn't work | 22:20 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: mm, I think we should get rid of the kwallet systray applet | 22:20 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: hide it completly ? | 22:21 |
| maco | yesh | 22:22 |
| neversfelde | it is somehow dangerous to have it open in the tray, so it would be good to remove it | 22:22 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell, maco: how can you clean datas in it if needed ? if it's still possible, then I have no problem changing this | 22:23 |
| neversfelde | Tonio_: you can start kwalletmanager from the menu | 22:26 |
| Mamarok | sometimes we get this in #kubuntu: | 22:26 |
| Mamarok | 23:25 < tuxmania> Hi, really like what you guys has done with jaunty jackalope and KDE4, thanks all | 22:26 |
| Tonio_ | neversfelde: yeah true | 22:26 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: you can access kwallet manager from the k-menu | 22:27 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: yup, I'm fixing kds right now | 22:27 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: but kwallet systray gets hidden by default in 4.3 which suggests to me that it's not actually any use | 22:27 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: in any case we force it to show in the systray through kds, I removed that | 22:28 |
| maco | umm my plasma*rc files didnt change. will investigate while on bus | 22:29 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: if you're in a k-d-s mood could you turn off Obey DRM Restrictions in okular ? | 22:31 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: sure | 22:32 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I wanted not to change anything in kds for jaunty waiting for our kde intregration to get mature | 22:32 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I'll try to improve things a bit this cycle, without diverging too much from upstream setings | 22:33 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: done bzr | 22:39 |
| Riddell | groovy | 22:44 |
| nixternal | why doesn't --save-after-login work with pbuilder-dist login? | 22:46 |
| nixternal | trying to save mirror changes for my sid pbuilder | 22:46 |
| freinhard | you guys are really fast, 4.2.4 in experimental, great! | 22:46 |
| nixternal | ftp.debian.org == to slow for me | 22:46 |
| === Tonio__ is now known as Tonio_ | ||
| Riddell | freinhard: sssh, it's secret | 22:50 |
| seaLne | 4.3b2 would be more impressive ;) | 23:00 |
| Riddell | next week. these releases just keep on coming! | 23:05 |
| freinhard | right, columns in kmail would be great | 23:05 |
| yuriy | ahh, finally back | 23:15 |
| Tonio_ | neversfelde: ping ? | 23:16 |
| neversfelde | Tonio_: pong | 23:16 |
| Tonio_ | neversfelde: what is your google data package content please ? | 23:16 |
| Tonio_ | I just get 2 binaries who don't seem to work as expected.... | 23:16 |
| Tonio_ | neversfelde: http://pastebin.ca/1444142 | 23:17 |
| Tonio_ | neversfelde: looks like I'm missing something :) | 23:18 |
| neversfelde | Tonio_: did you add them with akonadi-kde ? | 23:19 |
| Tonio_ | neversfelde: I don't see them | 23:19 |
| Tonio_ | neversfelde: I have no binary called like that... | 23:20 |
| neversfelde | Tonio_: http://pastebin.ca/1444145 | 23:20 |
| Tonio_ | okay same as me then | 23:21 |
| neversfelde | after installing there are tow new akonadi ressources | 23:21 |
| neversfelde | Google Calendar and Google Contacts | 23:21 |
| Tonio_ | neversfelde: contcts work for me | 23:23 |
| Tonio_ | neversfelde: I don't see the google contacts | 23:24 |
| neversfelde | mhh, it did not sync here, I will test it again | 23:24 |
| Tonio_ | right it all seems to work for me | 23:25 |
| neversfelde | nice :) | 23:25 |
| Tonio_ | just that we don't install akonadi-kde by default.... | 23:25 |
| Tonio_ | I don't know if there is a reason for this... | 23:25 |
| yuriy | we used to, I think, in the intrepid 4.2 ppa. maybe that's why my resources are missing | 23:26 |
| Tonio_ | neversfelde: except from akonadi is relativelly unstable with kontact, it seems to work | 23:31 |
| Tonio_ | neversfelde: doing a nice package then :) | 23:31 |
| neversfelde | my kontact is not starting anymore | 23:32 |
| neversfelde | thats not so good :) | 23:32 |
| Tonio_ | neversfelde: ouch... | 23:32 |
| Tonio_ | the only thing is that akonadi currently has absolutly resource.... I don't know if that's normal | 23:32 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: did we drop them on purpose ? | 23:32 |
| neversfelde | as long as kmail works, everything is ok | 23:33 |
| Tonio_ | :) | 23:34 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: no, it should be on the CD I think | 23:34 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: okay, I might have removed it | 23:35 |
| neversfelde | I had to install it manually, too | 23:35 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: since we don't have any other packages providing sources atm, how would you name the package ? | 23:35 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: akonadi-resource-google sounds ok, no ? | 23:36 |
| neversfelde | probably akonadi-ressource-googledata ? | 23:36 |
| neversfelde | :) | 23:36 |
| Tonio_ | or googledata... | 23:36 |
| neversfelde | wb kontact | 23:38 |
| * shtylman has a working kde4 file picker for opening files in openoffice (no filters yet) ... but the cool part...its not a separate app like the old method...this one is built into the oo app like a proper file picker :) | 23:45 | |
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