[01:02] hey, whats up with KDE 4.3 Beta 1 mucking up the plasma panel llke it does? [03:13] JontheEchidna: plasma-widget-droptoimageshack is in queue since 13 May, is normal? [03:15] lex79: everybody's away at UDS, so it's not normal but it is also expected [03:16] ok [03:28] * ScottK waves. [03:28] Is back from UDS and already left on his next trip ... [03:29] join facebook thingy [03:36] That's mean I'd have to actually care about my facebook account? [03:36] * ScottK has one, but only because it's a requirement for the kids to have facebook that they friend us. [07:46] hey, we are ubuntu, we are free...JOIN FACEBOOK! [07:46] nixternal: ER?! [07:46] people wanting you to join facebook for ubuntu, and now ubuntu developers [07:46] ya, like I need more virtual friends [07:46] nixternal: yes, you have me, so you have all you need [07:47] exactly, thank you :) [07:47] you're my pawn, muhahahahahahaha! [07:47] * Tm_T hides [07:47] hey now [07:47] the love was ok, but pawning me took it to far ;p [07:47] * Tm_T huggles nixternal [07:47] just finished catching up on "The Hills" on MTV [07:47] I am such a loser [07:47] but I am addicted to that show [07:48] glad I have no idea what you're talking about [07:50] I thought everyone knew what the hills was, guess not...now that is what I call deprived :p [07:52] nixternal: well, I don't watch MTV or other that kind of channels in the first place (;) [07:52] I didn't either, but my x-girlfriend got me freakin' addicted [07:52] before the hills it was leguna beach...god I am a loser [07:52] nixternal: come here so we can fix you [07:53] we have to save you from yourself [07:53] hahaha [07:56] holy shit, what was rgreening and sebas thinking with barbie world? that right there is enough to make me quit KDE ;p [07:56] ? [07:56] look at the planet [07:56] embarassing [07:56] at least I do Ice Ice Baby [07:57] which planet? [07:57] oh, Ubuntu === nielsslot__ is now known as nielsslot === k4v is now known as m4v [10:21] apachelogger is gone ): [11:19] nixternal: ssth, don't spread it even more :D [11:29] ug, /me has deadly UDS plauge [11:29] freeflying: how do you mean check your mail alias? [11:31] Tm_T: gone where? [11:33] well not in channel [11:33] wanted to discuss about jingle [11:37] Riddell: can't get any mail been sent to zhengpeng-hou AT kubuntu.org [11:40] freeflying: you didn't renew your membership of kubuntu-members "Expired on 2009-04-12" [11:57] * Nightrose reads http://drowninginbugs.blogspot.com/2009/06/action-items-from-uds-barcelona.html about pulseaudio and shudders === txwikinger2 is now known as txwikinger [12:15] Riddell: ...so it finally got ya eh? [12:28] shtylman: mm, it certaily did [12:28] shtylman: get home ok? [12:28] Riddell: yep :) ... watched movies the whole flight back [12:34] http://boredandblogging.tv/2009/05/31/uds-karmic-kdekubuntu/ <--- needs serious censoring [12:50] Quintasan: ping [12:50] * ryanakca caught the plague too :/ [12:50] * rgreening has too [12:51] hacking big green globs rather thna code is not fun [12:53] great green globs of greasy grimy gopher guts and me without my spoon.... [12:53] sorry... rgreening just reminded me of that cub scout song... [12:53] :D [12:54] pbuild uds-plague && scp uds-plague* jussi01:. [12:54] :) [12:54] rofl [12:56] Quintasan: kdewebdev-kde4 - can you re-do for Karmic instead of Jaunty :) [12:57] ping when you have it and I'll upload right away Quintasan === olujicz_ is now known as olujicz [13:10] rgreening: ScottK told us to tell you he has got your jacket [13:10] and he'll get it to you when he gets back from his business trip [13:11] YAY! [13:11] I knew I left it as soon as I got on th eplane :( [13:11] ty ScottK :) [13:12] I was much too drunk to be packing [13:12] haha [13:13] rgreening: btw the PA stuff in http://boredandblogging.tv/2009/05/31/uds-karmic-kdekubuntu/ makes me sob [13:13] * Nightrose really really hopes we do not use PA in kubuntu anytime soon unless it massively improves [13:15] :P) that wa ssoooo fun === JontheEchidna changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: One more time we gonna celebrate | Karmic: http://tinyurl.com/n2to8u | Sync/Merges: http://tinyurl.com/korm9e | Be careful whilst packaging | Transitions: http://tinyurl.com/m68bne and http://tinyurl.com/lcgnjp | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | rgreening == BARBIE_GIRL [13:20] hey agateau, have you recovered from the Karoke trauma :) [13:21] rgreening: i am fine, but I am wondering about the audience :) [13:21] BARBIE_GIRL looks 9 mo pregneant [13:21] haha [13:21] :D [13:22] Nightrose: you missed a lot of fun [13:23] rgreening: *g* looks like I did yea [13:24] The kde/kubuntu team kicked a$$ all around :) [13:24] very good! :D [13:27] New queue sorta got behind during UDS, lol [13:29] http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=530725 [13:29] Debian bug 530725 in kshutdown "kshutdown: Uses private, unstable packaging functions" [Serious,Closed] [13:30] looks like we need to use kde.mk from pkg-kde-tools for universe KDE packages instead of debian-qt-kde.mk [13:30] ryanakca: ping [13:35] JontheEchidna: yeah, we should be using kde.mk for anything other than main KDE modules [13:35] as far as I understand it [13:36] I'll fire a mail off to -devel then, since everybody (me included) seems to be using debian-qt-kde.mk [13:37] thanks [13:38] that would be useful to know for sure :) [13:38] Riddell: so, I'd rejoin kubuntu-member? [13:39] freeflying: yes [13:40] anyone looked at amarok 2.1? [13:43] Riddell: other than running it? [13:43] Riddell: _Groo was working on packages [13:44] iirc he just needed sponsorship from a core-dev [13:45] he's a new guy? [13:45] * Nightrose wonders who gave him amarok as a starter [13:46] that's like not a good package to start with ;-) [13:46] Nightrose: well, if he masterst it rightaway, he did pass our little test then, roight? [13:46] -t [13:46] well from his comments here I am not convinced ;-) [13:48] anyone looked at the new kdevelop beta? [13:53] that kdevelop transition during UDS was the new beta I think [14:00] ScottK: ping... [14:07] rgreening: pong [14:08] rgreening: today is a catch-up-on-a-week-of-homework day, but what can I do for you? [14:12] rgreening: I srlsy did that for Jaunty? [14:15] ryanakca: hey. in your package, you forgot to update the maintainer field. for qtscriptgenerator. [14:15] Quintasan: the kdewebdev-kde4 you provided to me was for jaunty... needs ot be for karmic... [14:15] oh god, such a failure [14:16] :) [14:16] rgreening: you still have the debdiff? I don't remeber the build deps [14:16] lol... happens to all of us... [14:16] 1 sec Quintasan [14:17] Quintasan: http://paste.ubuntu.com/185675/ [14:18] thx [14:18] Quintasan: it should be on 4.2.85 [14:18] in karmic [14:18] ok [14:32] 1631.49 < allen_kdab> Friendly Reminder: KDE4.3beta2 tagging in the next day or 2. [14:33] * Tm_T is spreading panic [14:33] * Quintasan rages [14:34] rgreening: Are you looking at some old debdiff or at the bzr branch? lp:~kubuntu-members/qtscriptgenerator/ubuntu [14:35] ryanakca: I was working from the last debdiff I had from you. If the bzr branch different? [14:35] rgreening: Yes [14:35] so, I should look at the bzr [14:36] *nod* [14:37] hrm... alt+f2 doesnt seem to work here... yay for me... [14:39] ryanakca: ok. will do. [15:04] rgreening: kdewebdev-kde4 was moved to kdewebdev [15:04] JontheEchidna: that means I'm doing it wrong? [15:04] argh [15:04] I hate it [15:05] somebody forgot to file a removal request for kdewebdev-kde4 [15:05] Riddell: ^If you could take care of that using your archive admin skillz [15:05] kk, I will get karmic tar and fix if [15:05] s/if/it [15:05] JontheEchidna: can you help Quintasan with this... I am going to be preoccupied for a bit.. [15:05] if needed :) [15:07] I don't think the phonon transition applies to the kdewebdev package (the phonon build-dep was probably dropped in the merge) [15:08] checking won't hurt, I think :P [15:08] I did :P [15:08] just remove that I don't think part then I guess [15:09] JontheEchidna: done [15:09] JontheEchidna: yup, but still it needs libxml1-dev [15:09] Quintasan: libxlst-dev should pull that in [15:09] except that libxlst-dev doesn't exist :/ It's libxlst1-dev [15:09] so something still needs fixed ^_^ [15:10] er, libxslt for all that I said, typo on my part [15:10] yup, it depends on xml [15:11] Riddell: thanks [15:14] now it should work [15:16] So was the decision at UDS to replace koffice1 with koffice2? I have to do a koffice2 rebuild for a new upstream release of opengtl, and it'd be efficient to merge at the same time. [15:16] I see that the replacement is in the Todo [15:19] I also see that vorian is down to do that, so I suppose I'll just merge and keep it as k*-kde4 packages [15:29] hi there [15:29] k3b/policykit-kde fixed in karmic [15:30] awooga [15:30] Tonio_: journey back ok? [15:30] I still have to patch for update-notifier packages installation [15:30] Riddell: yeah, except I'm really tired :) [15:30] hehe [15:30] JontheEchidna: upstream don't want us to put koffice 2 in main [15:30] is there a wiki page with all of the karmic specs yet? [15:30] Riddell: in Karmic ? [15:31] KubuntuKarmicSpecs but I need to tidy it up [15:31] Tm_T: right, 2.0 isn't ready for users they say [15:31] Riddell: not planned to be ready in 9.10 even? [15:31] interesting [15:33] Riddell: I'll write my 2 specs toonight [15:34] rgreening: http://pastebin.com/f4cbbca89 [15:34] rgreening: fixed [15:43] Tm_T: well 2.0 isn't ready they say and 2.1 won't be out until after october [15:43] although krita may be an exception [15:44] Tonio_: smb sharing and usb creator? [15:44] yep [15:44] I'll also spend a couple of days improving our default settings... we lack so many things... [15:47] Riddell: http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/playground/base/plasma/netbook/ [15:47] Riddell: roger roger [15:47] Riddell: plasma-mid receives updates at the time, which is pretty cool :) [15:48] Tonio_: indeed, though not yet usable I hear [15:48] anyone to review frescobaldi on revu please ? [15:48] Tm_T: nope, but it'll be :) [15:48] Tm_T: netbook is my big task of this cycle [15:48] * shtylman making good progress on qt4/kde4 port of openoffice :) [15:48] Tonio_: aye, as I'm kicking marts butt [15:48] Tonio_: ok, you kick him too [15:48] Tm_T: there are quite a lot of people taking care of the work I used to do before, so I'll handle something else :) [15:49] heh [15:49] shtylman: finalli fixed your problem of the UDS ? [15:49] shtylman: I knew that a couple of days break would help you :) [15:49] * Riddell high fives shtylman [15:50] Tonio_: nope..just taking an entirely different approach :) currently migrating all the widget drawing code...and in the process hope to delete like 5000 lines of redundant old code...also...latest kdevelop is amazing! [15:51] shtylman: hehehe [15:52] * ryanakca => reinstall jaunty [15:53] Riddell: what about your kopete-facebook thing ? [15:53] Riddell: is this requiring external packaging or is it part of kopete's trunk ? [15:53] smarter: on va pouvoir commencer dolphin-share pour info ma poule :) [15:53] \o/ [15:53] smarter: I'm writing the spec toonight [15:54] smarter: I see to major things to do in there [15:54] smarter: 1/ act as a net usershare frontend, which seems quite easy [15:54] mais je passe mon bac dans 3 semaines, donc je serais pas super actif :] [15:54] smarter: and patch dolphin so that shared folders appear as share [15:55] smarter: get your diploma first :) it is not a hudge job and we have time === blueyed_ is now known as blueyed [15:55] smarter: the target is karmic -> october [15:55] * Tonio_ wishes good luck to smarter [15:55] and remove/replace the systemsettings "sharing" module? [15:55] thanks :) [15:56] smarter: no kcm module in fact, we'll drop this and just integrate the dolphin stuff [15:56] smarter: I'll write the full spec toonight [15:56] smarter: atm I wonder if we should release an external tarball or not.... we'll see :) [15:57] smarter: not having to patch kdenetwork first might make the dev easier, and then we can merge when it's done [16:01] Tonio_: it's external (for KDE 4.3) [16:01] ok [16:02] Riddell: kk, have you done the package ? I can work on that if interested :) [16:04] sebas: are you on the ayatana list? if you aren't you probably should be. all they talk about atm is notifications [16:04] Tonio_: it's on revu [16:04] Riddell: ok I'll revu it then [16:04] Tonio_: kopete-facebook and qjson [16:05] Tonio_: btw.. i'll be in paris september 21st for a few days.. we should hang out! [16:05] Tonio_: feel free to upload if you recon it's good enough [16:05] and london later that week for anyone there [16:05] Riddell: sure [16:07] Riddell: I'll have to repack first, since there is no copying informations in the sources [16:08] hey seele :) we missed you this weel ! [16:08] Tonio_: i know.. i feel like i missed out on everything by not going :( [16:08] seele: there will be other uds btw :) [16:09] seele: get married first, this seems more important from the real life perspective :) [16:09] guys, is printing all borked in kubuntu karmic? [16:09] Tonio_: right, I asked duncan to add that upstream, please check he put it into git [16:09] maco: I managed to print off my flight stuff before UDS [16:10] yeah and i managed to print last night... [16:10] last night, after upgrade, i printed to my networked printer [16:10] today, i cannot print to company networked printer [16:10] Riddell: he didn't [16:11] systemsettings printer thingy just yells python errors at me :-/ [16:11] Riddell: I'll do repacking this and send him an email with the diff [16:12] maco: try installing the python qt dbus package [16:12] "the service Printer Configuration does not provide an interface KCModule with keyword system-config-printer-kde/system-config-printer-kde.py The factory does not support creating comonents of the specified type" [16:13] and python-qt4-dbus is installed [16:13] as is system-config-printer-kde [16:15] Riddell: any specific reason you used include /usr/share/pkg-kde-tools/makefiles/1/cdbs/kde.mk for kopete-facebook ? [16:16] meh, I'll look into that when I get a moment then maco (you can use system-config-printer-gnome in the mean time if you want) [16:16] Riddell: that was to avoid using quilt and use simple-atchsys ? [16:16] Tonio_: it builds the package? [16:16] Riddell: didn't try the build yet ;) [16:17] Riddell: just wondering why this and not /usr/share/pkg-kde-tools/qt-kde-team/1/debian-qt-kde.mk [16:17] as this seems to be our "standard" to call it like this [16:17] Tonio_: see my mail to -devel about debian-qt-kde.mk [16:17] JontheEchidna: don't tell me this has changed again..... [16:17] lol [16:18] on the other hand, if that allows me to get rid of quilt, I'll go for it instantly [16:22] JontheEchidna: when was it ? you send to many emails there :) [16:23] JontheEchidna: ok got it [16:23] JontheEchidna: fine with me, especially since I can now use cdbs patch system and get rid of the nasty quilt :) [16:24] hi sabdfl [16:24] JontheEchidna: on the other hand, I hope it'll be the last packaging policy change in this cycle... [16:24] JontheEchidna: it's kinda boring to fix packages with each uploads... [16:24] hi agateau_ :) [16:25] Tonio_: my internet access is not reliable today :/ [16:26] agateau_: free ? === agateau_ is now known as agateau [16:26] 9 [16:26] usually works fine, just not today [16:27] agateau: I have numericable, which is a lot better than anything else I used before :) [16:27] agateau: but that just because I have optical fiber here [16:27] Tonio_: numericable is not available in my village [16:27] my upload rate is about 450 KB/s :) [16:28] * agateau has a 512/64 kbps adsl line :'( [16:28] err 512/128 [16:29] agateau: ouch... [16:29] mine is about 60 MB/5 MB [16:29] * JontheEchidna has a 180 kbps (1.5 mbps)/ 30 kbps [16:29] agateau: paris isn't fine for everything but for this at least, that's pretty cool :) [16:30] Tonio_: i guess so, but I prefer to have a garden :) [16:30] and i can't afford a garden in Paris [16:30] :) [16:30] agateau: enfoiré :) [16:30] haha [16:31] * agateau lives in a 1000 people village, with horses in the neighbour garden [16:31] * JontheEchidna wonders how to reset KDE file associations [16:32] JontheEchidna: delete .local/share/* desktop files [16:32] The defaults button is greyed ou in the kcm [16:32] oh, thanks [16:32] JontheEchidna: delete .local/share/mime desktop files [16:32] JontheEchidna: sorry [16:32] JontheEchidna: those aren't stored in profilerc anymore [16:33] JontheEchidna: delete .local/share/applications desktop files too [16:33] JontheEchidna: and run kbuildsycoca4 [16:33] of course :) [16:33] :) [16:34] talking about that, that reminds me I have this firefox extensions for kde associations to finish too... [16:39] Riddell: kopete-facebook also has lots of files missing licence.... I'll fix all of that [16:41] oh, that's one thing I forgot in my note on revu note but I did notice that when I saw it on thursday [16:44] Riddell: do you plan to get facebook-kopete in main and installed by default ? [16:49] sebas: who is the right guy to contact for plasma-mid ? Marco Martin or Aaron ? [16:50] Tonio_: yes I'd like to [16:50] Riddell: ok [16:50] Tonio_: notmart and morpheus [16:51] Riddell: the first is marci and the second is ? [16:51] s/marci/marco [16:51] someone else who said he'd work on it [16:51] Riddell: kk [16:52] Riddell: hum, were did you pick libqjson-dev ? doesn't seem to be in the archives :) [16:52] ok that's on revu too... revuing [17:06] Riddell: I just uploaded qjson.... I uploaded twice in order to fix debian/control and linqjson-dev.install [17:07] Riddell: if you go through NEW, take care at revuing the second upload [17:08] Tonio_: what's qjson? (apart from a JSON parser :p) [17:10] smarter: library that maps JSON data to QVariant objects [17:11] and what uses that? [17:11] Riddell: kopete-facebook uploaded [17:12] smarter: ^^ does [17:12] ok ;) [17:13] 1/18368 that's a big New queue [17:14] Riddell: ouch... [17:14] Tonio_: did you remove the "Some files are generated by Bison" stuff from qjson debian/copyright? [17:14] * Tonio_ will spend a couple of days on kds before forking for mid [17:14] Riddell: hum nope [17:15] Riddell: I trusted you in this :) [17:15] Riddell: we have a problem with kde 4.2 -> 4.3 transition [17:16] Riddell: plasma config files have been splitted and renamed... [17:16] Riddell: so we need to fix kds, but the big issue is that people will have problems with their own settings -> lost [17:16] Tonio_: what's the problem? [17:16] Riddell: I don't know how to handle this in the packagig side, except from fixing within startkde and a bit of bash :/ [17:16] k-d-s doesn't have much in its plasma-appletsrc file [17:17] Riddell: plasmarc renamed to plasma-desktoprc [17:17] we don't have that in k-d-s [17:17] Riddell: well when I uploaded my all config was lost [17:18] Riddell: and plasma-appletsrc is now plasma-desktop-appletsrc [17:18] Riddell: we should rename the files through startkde I guess [17:19] or through kconfig update [17:20] Riddell: I'm not used to kconfig... how would you do that ? [17:20] Riddell: just start the binary and it'll fix this ? [17:24] Riddell: tried to remove plasma-desktop*rc files and run kconf-update [17:24] Riddell: my old rc files didn't got renamed... [17:26] JontheEchidna: I saw you commented on a forum about that... any idea how to not break people's plasma without renaming through startkde ? [17:38] Riddell: wouldn't you like this in : http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=92234 ? [17:38] Riddell: I like it ;) [17:39] hum looks like kwwii prefers to keep the default kde one :) [17:41] Tonio_, oh i like it too [17:42] maco: same with me :) sounds a good "respects kde oxygen" and also brands kubuntu a little bit [17:42] maco: but it's like our policy is to keep the default :/ [17:43] maco: I'll try my best to convince them, then ;) [17:45] Riddell: saw you rejected qjson, should I fix or will you do the debian/copyright fix ? [17:49] Tonio_: that's the old one [17:50] Tonio_: muse.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/copyright [17:50] please replace with that and upload [17:53] Riddell: sure [17:54] Riddell: done [17:56] Riddell: should we go for kaffaeine to replace dragon player right now ? I'd go for it immediatly, on my side... [18:02] Riddell: also kaffeine should be promoted to mail (as kaffeine kde3 was, this shouldn't be an issue) [18:02] Riddell: who was it doing the amarok 2.1 packages? and where can I find them, if you know? [18:03] * apachelogger does not think we should switch to Kaffeine at all [18:03] apachelogger: hum, why ? [18:03] not unless they completely rework the whole interface [18:03] apachelogger: have you tested the latest kaffeine ? [18:03] apachelogger: it's great [18:03] no [18:03] apachelogger: please do :) [18:04] have been told it is all the same non-usable thing :P [18:04] Tonio_: where to get package? [18:04] apachelogger: tabs on the left are back, fyi [18:04] apachelogger: my ppa, and also karmic [18:04] tabs? [18:04] apachelogger: as for amarok, yes [18:04] well [18:04] for amarok they made sense [18:04] for kaffeine they never did [18:04] _never_ [18:06] so [18:06] why are start and playback not one thingy? [18:07] tabs are Kool! [18:07] apachelogger: why wouldn't that make sense ? [18:07] and why would I need a playlist unless I am watching loads of short porns [18:07] apachelogger: when you have a playlist, and dvd player ? [18:07] apachelogger: that's my concern [18:08] * Nightrose hugs kaffeine [18:08] apachelogger: for a couple KB more, we have a dvd player and a playlist [18:08] so why is it shown all the time? [18:08] same for me [18:08] apachelogger: also having the same kind of UI for both the audio and video player makes it consistent imho [18:08] well [18:08] dragon not being a single-instance app is my main petpeeve with it [18:08] another problem [18:08] apachelogger: I personally use dragonplayer [18:08] not being able to skip in a video with the keyboard is the other [18:08] kaffeine ain't a video player [18:08] that really s*cks [18:08] kaffeine is a media player [18:08] apachelogger: but I think kaffeine is a better default choice imho [18:09] Tonio_: why is that? [18:09] it is doing too many things at once [18:09] with cluttered interface [18:09] apachelogger: dvd player by default for everyone [18:09] apachelogger: playlist [18:09] and way too many features [18:09] apachelogger: better support for subtitles [18:10] apachelogger: and READS AUDIO CDS :) [18:10] YES [18:10] DVB-T in kaffeine rocks [18:10] apachelogger: which amarok can't do [18:10] that is the problem [18:10] :) [18:10] it is a media player [18:10] not a video player [18:10] apachelogger: and ? [18:10] true [18:10] if we would go with kaffeine amarok shoudl go [18:10] so we have a media player [18:10] Oo [18:10] and an advanced audio player with collection [18:10] it even clashes with the one-app per use case policy [18:11] apachelogger: we patch kaffeine not to handle audio files by default not to conflict with amarok [18:11] apachelogger: not the same functionnality [18:11] Tonio_: so what is consistent about using kaffeine for audio cds and amarok for any other audio stuff? [18:11] apachelogger: amarok is there to handle a collection [18:11] apachelogger: it is not a file per file or cd player [18:11]