[00:02] <gbee> Seeker`: which kernel?
[00:04] <gbee> nova-t 500 has worked just find for me for the last 18 months, you should probably disable automatic EIT collection for at least one or both of the tuners but other than that
[00:10] <Seeker`> gbee: i'm running 9.04
[00:10] <Seeker`> gbee: I have disabled the auto EIT for both tuners
[00:18] <gbee> definately a Nova-T and not a -TD?
[00:19] <gbee> I'd ask in #linuxtv - mine works fine, but they may have released a newer model
[00:19] <Seeker`> gbee: I dont believe iti s a TD
[04:56] <ed_hume> all right!!!
[04:56] <ed_hume> happy sunday night
[04:56] <ed_hume> Are there any alsa / spdif experts out there?
[04:57] <ed_hume> I'm beating my head against this setup, cant get audio
[05:04] <tritium> ed_hume: what have you tried?
[05:06] <tritium> ed_hume: for starters, can you please pastebin the output of "aplay -l" and "aplay -L"?  Do you know which audio chipset you have on your motherboard?
[05:07] <ccb0x45> hey, does anyone know how to make it so the display doesnt turn off
[05:07] <ccb0x45> on mythbuntu 9
[05:07] <ccb0x45> after like 60 seconds
[05:07] <ccb0x45> I have downloaded tons of different settings things and turned off the thing
[05:07] <ccb0x45> but it doesnt stop doing it
[05:09] <ed_hume> tritium:  I've been at it all day.  tried so many things I don't know where to start.
[05:10] <tritium> ed_hume: please start by pastebinning the output I've requested.
[05:11] <ed_hume> aplay -l
[05:11] <ed_hume> **** List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices ****
[05:11] <ed_hume> card 0: AV710 [Chaintech AV-710], device 0: ICE1724 [ICE1724] Subdevices: 1/1 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
[05:11] <ed_hume> card 0: AV710 [Chaintech AV-710], device 1: IEC1724 IEC958 [IEC1724 IEC958] Subdevices: 1/1 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
[05:11] <tritium> ed_hume: no, don't paste it here.
[05:11] <tritium> Please use pastebin.
[05:11] <ed_hume> aplay -L
[05:11] <ed_hume> front:CARD=AV710,DEV=0 Chaintech AV-710, ICE1724 Front speakers
[05:11] <ed_hume> surround40:CARD=AV710,DEV=0 Chaintech AV-710, ICE1724 4.0 Surround output to Front and Rear speakers
[05:11] <ed_hume> surround41:CARD=AV710,DEV=0 Chaintech AV-710, ICE1724 4.1 Surround output to Front, Rear and Subwoofer speakers
[05:11] <ed_hume> surround50:CARD=AV710,DEV=0 Chaintech AV-710, ICE1724 5.0 Surround output to Front, Center and Rear speakers
[05:11] <ed_hume> surround51:CARD=AV710,DEV=0 Chaintech AV-710, ICE1724 5.1 Surround output to Front, Center, Rear and Subwoofer speakers
[05:11] <ed_hume> surround71:CARD=AV710,DEV=0 Chaintech AV-710, ICE1724 7.1 Surround output to Front, Center, Side, Rear and Woofer speakers
[05:11] <ed_hume> iec958:CARD=AV710,DEV=0 Chaintech AV-710, ICE1724 IEC958 (S/PDIF) Digital Audio Output
[05:12] <ed_hume> null Discard all samples (playback) or generate zero samples (capture)
[05:12] <ed_hume> oh sorry.
[05:12] <tritium> ed_hume: and you're asking specifically about mythtv settings?
[05:12] <tritium> Have you tried ALSA:iec958?
[05:13] <tritium> (I'm assuming you want S/PDIF as your output)
[05:13] <ed_hume> actually, I'm testing with mplayer
[05:13] <ed_hume> and yes S/PDIF
[05:14] <ed_hume> when I try with mplayer, there is no error, and the progress count stays at zero.
[05:14] <ccb0x45> anyone got any idea?
[05:14] <ed_hume> here is the paste bin URL
[05:14] <ccb0x45> for my display timeout?
[05:14] <ed_hume> http://pastebin.com/d736e5bbb
[05:15] <tritium> You can reference your S/PDIF as either ALSA:iec958, or ALSA:plughw:0,1 in the mythtv settings.
[05:15] <ed_hume> I've tried puting the default PCM setting in /etc/asound.conf and in ~/.asoundrc, with no effect
[05:17] <ed_hume> I assume those settings are not the same syntax in mplayer, because I get "could not open/initializeaudio device" errors
[05:17] <ed_hume> at least when I try "-ao alsa:device=spdif "
[05:18] <ed_hume> with mplayer, I get an attempted progress count (stuck as 0.00)
[05:19] <ccb0x45> guys any way to get the display not to time out
[05:19] <ccb0x45> ?
[05:23] <tritium> ed_hume: did you try alsa:device=iec958?
[05:23] <ed_hume> tritium:  I've tried both those ALSA settings in mythtv, and I still get no sounds
[05:23] <tritium> ed_hume: you might also try alsa:device=plughw:0,1
[05:23] <tritium> I'm not familiar with mplayer's options, but I assume that's the proper syntax.
[05:23] <ed_hume> yes, I've tried all those (trying them all again now)
[05:24] <tritium> ed_hume: have you run any speaker-test trials, first of all?
[05:25] <ed_hume> like with a known good device, like a DVD player with SPDIF output?
[05:25] <ed_hume> yes, I have
[05:25] <ed_hume> and the receiver is working.
[05:25] <tritium> ed_hume: no.  With the alsa "speaker-test" command.
[05:25] <tritium> e.g., speaker-test -Dplughw:0,1 -c2
[05:25] <ed_hume> yes, and I get no audio
[05:26] <ed_hume> trying now, total silence
[05:26] <tritium> also try -Diec958, and vary the number of channels
[05:26] <ed_hume> I wish I knew how to troubleshoot ALSA better.
[05:27] <ed_hume> yeah, trying that one too.
[05:27] <tritium> You've tried the simple things, like checking cables, right?  ;)
[05:28] <ed_hume> yeah, I just pluged the optical cable into DVD player and it works
[05:28] <ed_hume> the only number of channels the speaker-test program accepts is 2
[05:29] <gbutters> have you made sure it is not muted in alsamixer
[05:30] <ccb0x45> can anyone pleeease tell me how to get the damn display not to time out
[05:30] <Zinn> ccb0x45: Please watch your language.
[05:30] <ccb0x45> and go dark
[05:30] <ccb0x45> so I dont have to hit a key on the keyboard
[05:30] <ccb0x45> to get it to come back
[05:30] <ccb0x45> watching movies
[05:31] <gbutters> remove xscreensaver
[05:31] <tritium> gbutters: good call.  ed_hume: double-check the that your iec958 is not muted in alsamixer.
[05:31] <ccb0x45> remove xscreensaver?
[05:31] <ccb0x45> how do I do that/
[05:31] <ccb0x45> ?
[05:31] <ed_hume> ccb0x45:  check your power savings setting in display settings
[05:31] <ccb0x45> I hcw
[05:31] <ccb0x45> I have
[05:31] <ccb0x45> I goto display settings
[05:31] <ccb0x45> and set it to never
[05:31] <tritium> !enter
[05:31] <Zinn> Sorry I don't know about enter
[05:32] <tritium> ccb0x45: no need to use the Enter key as punctuation.  Please write as much as you can on one line.
[05:32] <ccb0x45> sorry
[05:33] <ed_hume> yes, I just checked out the alsamixer settings.  iec958 is not muted
[05:34] <ed_hume> I know something is wrong because speaker-test stays forever on 0- Front Left
[05:35] <ccb0x45> I have downloaded gnome power settings, I have downloaded kde power settings, all of them are set to never for turning off the display
[05:35] <ccb0x45> but it still turns off, how do I remove xscreensaver?
[05:35] <ed_hume> just like mplayer doesn't error, or time out, but stays forever on 0.00 seconds
[05:36] <ccb0x45> I look in power settings and it says never, for everything... its so frustrating
[05:36] <ed_hume> ccb:  use "apt-get remove xscreensaver"
[05:36] <gbutters> sudo apt-get remove xscreensaver
[05:37] <ccb0x45> it says its not installed
[05:37] <gbutters> try sudo apt-get remove xscreensaver-gl then
[05:37] <ccb0x45> ah that worked
[05:37] <ccb0x45> should that fix it
[05:38] <gbutters> yes
[05:38] <ccb0x45> cool, because it drives me crazy
[05:39] <ed_hume> I wish there was a way to turn on more verbose logging in alsa.  Anybody know if possible and how?
[05:39] <ccb0x45> are you trying to do optical sound ed?
[05:40] <ed_hume> yes
[05:40] <ccb0x45> what kind of card?
[05:41] <ccb0x45> are you just getting no sound through the optical out?
[05:42] <ccb0x45> I have a turtle bay surround sound working through optical out... the way I had to do it was open the alsa settings and enable this other output jack
[05:42] <ccb0x45> mine was like IE98, or something like that
[05:42] <ccb0x45> something weird that didnt seem like it would correspond to optical at all
[05:42] <tritium> ccb0x45: IEC958
[05:43] <ccb0x45> thats the one
[05:43] <ccb0x45> I did it by installing gnome-alsa settings or something and runnning it as root
[05:43] <ccb0x45> but I guess  it sounds like youve already tried that
[05:44] <ccb0x45> I also dont use mythtv, I use xbmc
[05:44] <ccb0x45> running on mythbuntu
[05:44] <gbutters> ed_hume, how are you testing
[05:44] <tritium> ccb0x45: IEC958 *should* sound like it would correspond to optical audio.  It's the standard that specifies it.
[05:45] <gbutters> dvd in mplayer??
[05:45] <ccb0x45> tritium, oh well I didnt know that haha
[05:47] <ed_hume> gbutters, I'm testing with mplayer and with "speaker-test"
[05:47] <ed_hume> both seem to fail the same way.  They hang with no timeout and no errors
[05:48] <gbutters> ed_hume, try this command for mplayer mplayer -ao alsa:device=spdif -ac hwac3 dvd://
[05:51] <ed_hume> errors!
[05:51] <ed_hume> http://pastebin.com/m1621e95b
[05:53] <ed_hume> when I try to play an mp3 it just hangs:
[05:53] <ed_hume> http://pastebin.com/d366b5321
[06:02] <ed_hume> hrm.  I'm pondering turing the sound card on the mobo back on and just going back to two channel audio.  :(
[06:13] <gbutters> ed_hume, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=187920
[06:15] <ed_hume> yup, I've read that entire thread about 4 times.  And that asound.conf file just as many times too.
[06:15] <ed_hume> ugh.
[06:17] <ed_hume> does anybody know, when you edit /etc/asound.conf do you have to restart the alsa-utils service?
[06:17] <ed_hume> and which file takes presedience?  /etc/asound.conf or ~/.asoundrc ?????
[06:18] <tritium> ed_hume: the one in your home directory would override the one in /etc
[06:18] <gbutters> did you read the comments in the file?
[06:19] <ed_hume> wholly @#$#$%#%^%&*&
[06:19] <ed_hume> I just read the comments in the file.
[06:19] <ed_hume> (for the third time)
[06:20] <ed_hume> sorry to "swear", I just got it to work?!?!!!!!
[06:21] <tritium> ed_hume: what was the fix for you
[06:21] <tritium> ?
[06:21] <ed_hume> in alsa mixer, I set "IEC958" and "IEC958 1" to "PCM"
[06:22] <ed_hume> they were set to "IEC958"
[06:22] <ed_hume> I have no idea what those settings are.   FIDDLE STICKS!
[06:23] <ed_hume> this is the end of a 5 hour marathon .  and the answer was right there in the comments of that file.
[06:23] <gbutters> ed_hume, glad i could help
[06:23] <ed_hume> pm me your address, and I'll send you a beer :)
[06:41] <ed_hume> hye guys, I don't think I'm out of the wood work yet.
[06:41] <ed_hume> I have sound working on mplayer, but not in mythtv live TV or on recording playback.
[06:42] <ed_hume> I've set the mythtv settings in the setup screens to ALSA:spdif (same as in mplayer for the videos) but I just get silence
[06:43] <ed_hume> if you change there settings, do I need to restart the backend or something?
[08:57] <skipjack> Hello
[09:02] <skipjack> Which Remote Controll should I buy? is there one which I should buy because it's the best supported?
[09:10] <gbee> skipjack: 99% of IR remotes are supported just fine, but if you are looking for one with the best features, generally well liked and easy to setup, then I'd suggest an MCE remote - http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MCE_Remote
[09:11] <skipjack> gbee:  okay ;) thanks I think I buy the Philips SRM 5100, or is there an better which I should buy?
[09:14] <gbee> not handled that one, I personally find the standard one to be comfortable in the hand and the backlight is nifty, but it style is more important then there is nothing wrong with the 5100 AFAIK
[09:15] <skipjack> oh okay, which is the standard one?
[09:15] <skipjack> I think it's hard to find MCE remote Controlls
[09:17] <gbee> plenty of new ones appear on Ebay, that's where I got mine
[09:18] <gbee> the second in the picture array is the one I've got, the fourth is common too http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MCE_Remote#Media_Center_Remotes
[09:19] <gbee> 3rd is probably common in countries which don't traditionally have the colour buttons on their remotes (used for interactive TV/Teletext)
[09:20] <skipjack> ah okay ;) hmm
[09:20] <skipjack> okay Backlight would be nice
[09:21] <skipjack> can you say me the model no. of the first ?
[09:22] <skipjack> or from yours?
[09:26] <gbee> 1039
[09:26] <gbee> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/BNIB-Media-Centre-Remote-withReceiver-MCE-for-Microsoft_W0QQitemZ120428057676QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_3?hash=item1c0a12544c&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1690%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318%7C301%3A1%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50
[09:28] <skipjack> ah okay thanks.
[09:29] <skipjack> are there only remote controlls with IR, or there are also which with Wirless? I think IR is okay, but I must have be in the near of my IR Station
[09:36] <gbee> there are a few wireless, but it's not something I know much about, the IR receiver will be connected to your frontend so should be nearby and the MCE remote/receiver has decent range and pickup
[09:50] <skipjack> okay buyed ;) but the Philips
[10:39] <superm1> gbee, then that's probably a separate regression then.  have you talked to upstream about it by chance for radeon?
[12:13] <NotQuiteDilbert> is there a way to make the text smaller when setting up a mythbuntu backend? - it's not possible to read all the help text at the default size
[12:48] <chris_> hi
[12:48] <chris_> need help on choosing suitable video card for mythbuntu
[12:49] <williammanda> nvidia 7300 and above
[12:49] <chris_> I have 7600GT and 8500GT, which one is best for HTPC
[12:49] <williammanda> both will work fine
[12:50] <chris_> is that the case for PAL
[12:51] <chris_> A colleague indicated that 8500GT has h/w decode for h.264 which is not so the 7600GT. Is that correct?
[12:52] <chris_> On another topic, I having issues with system log viewer. WHen I run it, it crashes the system
[12:52] <gbee> superm1: turns out XLIB_SKIP_ARGB_VISUALS does work, at the same time as pulling in the updated radeonhd deb a mesa deb was installed which caused lots the newer problems
[12:54] <gbee> but SKIP_ARGB is still needed for the original bug, I've lost the ticket now but I assume you are still waiting to hear from upstream?
[13:01] <avlis> !help
[13:01] <Zinn> !help For a  complete list of my knowledge visit: http://www.baablogic.net/Zinn.cgi  Other available commands: !status, !about, !bug [bug_number].
[13:11] <williammanda> !nvidia
[13:11] <Zinn> Sorry I don't know about nvidia
[13:11] <williammanda> !help
[13:11] <Zinn> !help For a  complete list of my knowledge visit: http://www.baablogic.net/Zinn.cgi  Other available commands: !status, !about, !bug [bug_number].
[13:11] <williammanda> !pastebin
[13:11] <Zinn> when pasting more than 5 lines of data please use http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com so you don't flood the channel.  Then please post the link in the channel.
[16:44] <superm1> gbee, upstream claims its a bug in QT
[16:44] <superm1> i had a workaround patch for it but upstream didn't like it
[16:44] <superm1> and QT 3.3 ain't developed at all any more, so i dont expect much traction there..
[16:45] <gbee> well QT aren't going to fix it, they've EOL QT3
[16:45] <gbee> aye
[16:48] <gbee> not sure I agree with their assessment based on what I know, which isn't much admittedly - it's along the lines of "A crashes when I run B" to which they respond "So file a bug with B"
[20:31] <squidly> I'm running mythbuntu (fully updated) on my frontend, I can play some HD files, but ones that use the DCA audio codec will not play sound. Mplayer will play them fine, and my other frontend on my desktop (gentoo) will play sound for them as well. Any thoughts on how to fix it. google has not given me much help
[20:52] <nurettin_> hello i have got problem http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1174171&highlight=alc662+mythtv
[21:18] <williammanda> tgm4883, u round?
[21:33] <nurettin_> hello i have got problem http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1174171&highlight=alc662+mythtv